My two cents, he has to win a close game at some point this season, otherwise he needs to be fired. I don't care if we go back to going 1-11 every year, that isn't so much worse than losing every single close game you play.
With what money? Iād much rather be in every game than getting drilled 63-10 every week but to each their own.
KU athletics just got a huge donation
To use for revenue sharing for players and most of it is restricted.
If you're going to lose anyways you might as well get it over with early than waste the fans time pretending you're in it to win it.
Thatās honestly one of the most insane things Iāve ever read
If our close games resulted in the occasional win you would be right. But losing every single time is unacceptable beyond words
Give me moments like OU 2 years ago vs nobody in the stands past half.
@FarmerJayhawk said in Lance Leipold:
Thatās honestly one of the most insane things Iāve ever read.
Did you stop reading the news for the past 10 years? Firing Lance is a horrible idea but I can easily find dozens that are exponentially more insane!
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Lance Leipold:
Thatās honestly one of the most insane things Iāve ever read.
Did you stop reading the news for the past 10 years? Firing Lance is a horrible idea but I can easily find dozens that are exponentially more insane!
Heh, itās been tempting. But just a little beer influenced hyperbole on my part
@FarmerJayhawk That's why I am in favor of allowing him to prove he can win a close game this season. If he can do so, maybe there is a chance we can get back to getting meaningful wins and good seasons. But if not, we can conclude that the golden years of the Leipold era are in the rear-view and that we will never win a game against an opponent that is not overmatched by us (WVU, Fresno State etc) until we have a new coach.
The buyout is over $20m. Heās not getting fired.
Then we are most likely doomed to several years of 4-8 records (composed of 4 blowout wins, 2 blowout losses, and 6 4th quarter choke job losses) until Lance retires.
lol
I agree that this could be chalked up as the worst loss in the Leipold era. Cincinnati is likely a 6th-8th place team in this conference. Prob just eliminated ourselves from the title. Lance has to get better at clock management not running the ball before trying the touchdown pass wouldāve helped but DK McDonalds seat should be on fire right now. Thatās right up there with Turner Gills defense.
The problem with the defense is not that they are incapable, its that they have absolutely no toughness. In any given crucial 4th down its a guaranteed conversion. That is on Lance more than on DK.
I will save you guys the trouble of watching the rest of the season. Here is what will happen. We will beat UCF. We will then get blown out by Texas Tech. We will outplay and outgain K-State but find a way to lose in the 4th quarter. We will blow out Oklahoma State. We will lose a close game against Arizona. Then we will lose another close game against Iowa State. Then we will lose to Utah. Our final record will be 5-7.
There's some flaw in this rebuild. Not sure how to pinpoint it. Losing Andy K, the brilliant offensive coordinator may have been the worst thing to happen to this team, but goodness, the mental errors are egregious.
I didn't get to watch today, but listened til middle of 3rd then followed on game day as we're travelling and I was hiking, so not sure the mental errors, but a 2nd straight game with a defensive guy lost to a dirty hit is inexcusable. Jalen fumbling on the 1 is beyond inexcusable especially as he's been prone to fumbles still after ten years running the team.
A defense getting gashed has been the most frustrating part. Missouri destroyed us all day long. Cincy destroyed us almost all day. WVU is bad so I don't count last week.
A lack of a under two minute minutes offense has to be fixed. I know we scored just under two, but I've seen teams get the ball with 30 seconds on the clock get into FG range and we did zero with our last possession.
I'm not 'fire Lance' or anything like that. He's made people pay attention to KU football. But he's gonna lose a lot of support should these kind of games keep happening. As some have pointed out losing 63-10 is far worse.
The only reason anyone is mad is because expectations have changed. KU has a conference win already - many years they didnāt get one. Itās not a bad startā¦for KU football. This isnāt a Saban led Alabama team here.
Vs. Nebraska Cincy gained 271 yards
Vs. Bowling Green 439 yards
600 vs NW state in a 70-0 rout.
Against us? 603 yards.
Cincy is no high powered offense. But against us? They're worn out from so much running.
What ticks me off today is that there's no one to blame. Can't blame Daniels, can't blame the running backs or receivers, Can't blame the refs. Maybe could blame the sucky defense. Mostly though, it's just a crappy team.
@wissox the offense is fine IMO we are averaging over 35 PPG. JD was lights out today outside of a few plays, the fumble was super frustrating because as I said we had 3 plays to get 1 yard if he just goes down. Shades of Manhattan last season when we have a 3rd and 4 if he just goes down. Iāll give him props tho he hasnāt tried to win the game in one play a lot this year but the @ Mizzou was also a huge play that he shouldāve thrown the ball at the RBs feet to live to play another down. I can live with with his 4 turnovers in 5 games (had 13 TOs in first 5 last season). I told my son while we were watching the second half, whichever team gets a turnover is going to win. They did and it was a big factor but I canāt blame today on a unit that had 597 yards and scored 34 points. The defense had to have 25 missed tackles that lead to first downs and touchdowns. They dropped a few picks that wouldāve turned the tide. Iām fine with a bend defense that stiffens up in the red zone and gets turnovers. This aināt that and DK should be getting heat right now.
We scored twice on the very first play of scrimmage. I guess we should stay on the field longer to wear out their D? Control the clock?
I loved the play calling, fumble killed us! Opposing coaches always praise what lance has done for our program. I do to0. The crowd is great, the Booth is awesome! Itās progress. I wonāt quit on them.
Iām not ready to fire Lance, but thatās not a good loss. He needs to get players motivated to make a stop or play or two.
Speaking of the crowdā¦every time the cameras panned to the new stadium seats, they were half empty! What gives?
When another team has to execute an 80 yard drive in 1:45 with only one TO, the defensive backs have to deny the sideline. Short chunky plays over the middle are the cost but letting them stop the clock every play is nuts. Also, anyone else see the huge gap in our defensive line on the last TD trying to defend what will obviously be a running play from the 2??? I pointed it out to my ever suffering wife, and boom! TD through the center.
@Jhawk69 said in Lance Leipold:
@dylans No, people are mad because we are 2-16 in one score games during the Leipold era, which is unacceptable regardless of expectations.
Again, this is KU football. Your expectations of winning more than zero games are completely unreasonable. Any money spent on football is a wasted opportunity for basketball; a real program with the possibility of post season success, with a coach who has won multiple national championships for KU.
@approxinfinity I think @dylans last post was 100% spot on accurate. I wish I had thought of it.
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Lance Leipold:
I loved the play calling, fumble killed us! Opposing coaches always praise what lance has done for our program. I do to0. The crowd is great, the Booth is awesome! Itās progress. I wonāt quit on them.
We averaged 10.9 yards for play offense isnāt the issue, the university announced a sellout but it looked half full at best on TV.
@Crimsonorblue22 The fumble was LL's fault. Had one goal line fumble happened, okay, maybe its bad luck. But the fact that we fumbled a bad snap, then got lucky that a penalty nullified the play, and then proceeded to fumble again is proof that our team was bound and determined to turn the ball over. A team-wide determination to lose is on the coach.
I agree one of the most alarming stats of the Leipold era is this 3-14 in one possession games as Kansas head coach. He currently sits at 25-30 overall. If heās close to 50% in those games he has a winning record and we were bowling 3 straight years prob make the B12 title game.
Can we call a shaman to wave the sweet wheat and exorcise the Curse of the Mangino?
@approxinfinity I want them to win too, my expectations however are different.
A good football program raises the tide for the entire university. It would be niceā¦
@Jhawk69 WOW what a crazy statement Lmao ya I 'm sure that's part Coach L's pre game talk telling them to remember be determined dt's make sure we turn the ball over. The only question how the hell he gets that part of his speech in and still have time to tell them the defense has to remember to help the opposition make holes big enough you can drive a Mack truck through without even getting touched
@dylans said in Lance Leipold:
@approxinfinity I want them to win too, my expectations however are different.
A good football program raises the tide for the entire university. It would be niceā¦
It has given even average football and record enrollment in a demographically stagnant state.
The offense has been very good. Is the defense where we want it? Of course not. Letās beat a bad UCF team and see where we are going into Lubbock. Most Big 12 teams are pretty mediocre so letās see what happens.
For anyone going batty over Leopold's record with losing close games, consider what a couple coaches of vastly superior teams have done that look absurdly poor (from The Athletic): Penn State's coach is 1-18 against top 10 BIG opponents in the regular season. Kirby Smart is 107-13 against non-Alabama teams and 1-7 against Alabama (the 1 was a nat'l championship, so there is that).
Yeah, fire him. As if LL fumbles, misses tackles, drops passes, and gets injured or outrun.
LL instills the mindset that causes us to fumble twice in a row on the goal line, have otherwise great receivers drop passes on critical 3rd downs, and give up every single 4th down conversion attempt on the season. Additionally, he is directly responsible for bad clock management and bad punting decisions.
I just want to be competitive and make a bowl game. As disappointing as yesterday was we still have a chance to do those things going forward. We will likely be doing it in a half empty at best new stadium because yesterday took a lot of air out of the fan base.
@kjayhawks The people who you talk about making up half the empty stadium , those are not true fans then---- they are what true fans call closet fans. You only see them when a team wins every game --that's a " CLOSET FAN "- -when the team wins out those types of fans will pull all their KU gear out from the moth balls try and work a KU shirt over their twice as large beer gut they have obtained since the last time they wore it and Boast about how OH YA I'VE BEEN A HUGE KU FAN FOREVER then when KU loses they run back and stuffs
that out dated extra small shirt back in the closet with a new supply of moth balls till next time lmao.
THAT'S not a fan = == = THAT'S a Bandwagon closet fan , Don't want them == ===don't need then = = =EOCK CHALK BABY
It was pretty full to start the game. My DIL and 2 gkids got box seats-so lucky! They said the nw side left at half. Those seats, were over 200 bucks! Guessing rich parents in town had other things to do. We went last week and not many left!
To add to my above comment regarding coach failure tales that dwarf any purported LL issues: 4-0 Penn State became the first AP Top 10 team to lose to a team 0-4 or worse (UCLA) since 1985.
Edit: Oops! 3-1 Penn State. Lost last week to Oregon which is what instigated that prior comment. I should listen to myself.
Lance won a close game. It is time to call off the hot-seat dogs for now.
@Jhawk69 said in Lance Leipold:
Lance won a close game. It is time to call off the hot-seat dogs for now.
FWIW they are idiots. KU football is highly unlikely to ever be nationally relevant, just enjoy maybe being bowl eligible and competitive in most games. Lance is the best possible coach for KU currently. Loud mouth idiots without two brain cells to rub together are far too common on the internet.
@dylans anyone wanting to fire LL at this point is an idiot. Even if we lost last night theyād still be an idiot. I was the first to scream fire Grimes last year and still believe if we had coach Z we wouldāve played for a conference championship. Zero coaches from Gill to Miles won more than 3 games in a single year. LL now has a conference road win in very season heās coached here. The other guys from 09-20 had zero and the NCAA record for most consecutive road conference losses. I donāt always agree with LL but heās easily a top 3 coach in Kansas football history and could be number 1 before heās done.
Broskis lets just call them ignorant? They have 2 brain cells, 1 is just dormant.
@dylans Isn't it amazing how in a short amount of time how things change .Let's go back down memory lane when we used to have huge Beer busts when we actually win a game ? - - - - didn't happen a lot , & if we got real lucky and win two- -holy crap Katie bar the door , and now even when we win six -- seven games it's fire the Coach ROFLMAO. i lo ve side line Coaches who neve have or never will lose a game- --must be pure bliss.
In the "Man Bites Dog" news category: In The Athletic's Chris Vanini's latest football rankings, KU at 37 is ranked higher than Baylor, Texas, Penn State, Iowa, Florida, Arizona, Clemson, Pitt, Arkansas, and Boise State, among so many others. Enjoy the moment.
Oh, and Kansas State is ranked more than twice KU's number (76). Really enjoy the moment.
@SlimShaddy54 I donāt care just beat them
The schedule gets pretty rough after the rest of the way though. I'm thinking the good vibes will fade off a bit after dealing with some probable losses.
ESPN's FPI has KU pretty heavily favored against KSU and OSU, a small favorite over Arizona, a small underdog against ISU and Utah, and a big underdog this weekend against Texas Tech.
This Saturday is by far KU's most difficult remaining game on paper and the remaining 5 are absolutely winnable games for KU.
I would definitely say that KU needs to be bowl eligible after the OSU game to guarantee a bowl game this year.
K-State is not a winnable game. TTU isn't either. Other than that, I think we've got a chance against everyone we play.
@Jhawk69 lol. what K/State team have you been watching ? They are a VERY WINNABLE game, they have showed next to nothing with their very over rated QB. Johnson is an accident looking for a place to happen. Their program is a really bad spot right now. they are probably one of our better chances remaining for a win
We don't beat K-State in football
We have more times than not.
If Kansas beats K State in football and wins an NC in basketball I will eat a bite of the piece of wedding cake in my freezer which is from 2008 and has a Jayhawk on it.
It will be a very interesting Saturday for sure. We will find out if Mizzou is for real with Bama in Columbia. We are heavy underdogs at Tech but I will say this much, we could very well be the best team
Tech has faced thus far. We have to get the run game going and control the clock from the opening kick to have a chance. Techs strength is their d-line, is theirs better than Mizzou or Cincinnati? Idk yet they have only played one team with a pulse.
@Jhawk69 said in Lance Leipold:
We don't beat K-State in football
Like you, I look to recent history rather than overall. KU last beat KState in 2008; that's 16 consecutive wins for KState. That's what sticks in my mind about KU football and all the KState fans that surround me in Kansas. I was at Memorial Stadium when KU finally stopped the Nebr streak in 2007.
@stoptheflop I agree. The way I think about our competitiveness is how many wins have we had against a team since the freshmen arriving on campus were in Kindergarten. (That's since 2012 as of now. And right now, KU vs K-State = -3 wins)
@bskeet -3 wins? Hasnāt KU lost all those games? Or are you combining all sports? Kansas has lost 15 straight football games to Manhattan. 28/31 or some nonsense. KSU mustāve been absolutely wretched in the early days for KU football to still have a winning record against them.
@dylans You must be relatively young - within a few blocks either way of 40. The reason I say that (and the reason a loss to KSU antagonizes me so much) is that back in the day the roles were reversed. We absolutely dominated them. But then again so did everyone else. They were LITERALLY the worst team in college football. That wasn't an opinion, it was fact. There was a lot of serious talk about them just shutting down the program. Then Bill Snyder showed up and ruined the party.
@nuleafjhawk Yeah. I remember that, but I was a kid. My entire adult life KU has sucked at football outside of a couple outlier years and KSU has owned KU football, just as KU basketball has owned KSU.
Bill Snyder and Tom Osborne are models for a program like KU. Lance is as good as it gets, heās in that mold.
@nuleafjhawk said in Lance Leipold:
They were LITERALLY the worst team in college football.
I believe it was some season around 1978, '79 or '80 when the Playboy preseason football ranking had KState as the worst college football team, with KU close behind. After Nolan Cromwell left, it was just sad in our little state.
@patoh3 I probably got around to reading it long after football was over.
Seriously, though, the PB football issue was very highly respected. Their preseason All Americans were flown for a big photo shoot, and they made predictions for lots of awards, etc. Not the same level as SI but they had quite a run.
I'm not saying we should fire Lance. But if we keep him we have to accept that we will never beat K State
Honestly, what does it matter who coaches KU? Doesnāt seem to matter much.
But, we at least seem respectable at times with Lance. Iām in no hurry to rush him out the door.
(I do think he should have given other QBs a chance to right the ship today)
Im just shocked how bad we werenāt ready to play. KSU blitzās a high percentage of the time and we seemed shocked. They did it all game last season vs us. Jalon Daniels may have turned in the worst QB performance Iāve ever seen at any level. Unfortunately my sons team lost the championship game today as well and Iām sure our 5th grade QB had a better passer rating than JD. I hope we never see JD in a KU uniform again. X is exploding with people thinking he threw the damn game thats how bad he was. I hope the team corned him in the locker room and said your done loser.
@kjayhawks I'm not a JD superfan, but what would be his motive for throwing this game?
@nuleafjhawk Sorry to say but that same thought raced through my mind for a second myself but then I thought NA surely not. Yet his play was so atrocious some them was like WOW it looked like that's exactly what he was doing
Yeah its not logical that he threw it. His head wasnt in it, the pressure got to him, and he had a really bad game. Cant kick JD to the curb. He has done a lot for this program. But man, that was rough.
@approxinfinity Logically he didnāt throw the game but man that was bad like the worst KU performance Iāve seen in my lifetimes. That says a lot @nuleafjhawk money would be the gain lol. Question becomes can we even beat Okie lite? Not with todayās performance
@kjayhawks I definitely think we can beat OK ST. If we use our cheerleaders instead of our so called football players.
Hard to imagine the weekend going worse than it with Volleyball getting upset Friday to start and likely ending their B12 title hopes. Between today and the rain its depressing
I wonder if the Indiana coach would like to move to Lawrence? It'd be fun to ruin another good coach...
The coach is only going to take you as far as the QB will go. The QB will only take you as far as the line will allow. The skill players have to complete the plays. None of it works without the other parts.
JD is probably maxed out - this is what we get this year. Hopefully the next QB seizes the job early and leaves no doubt.
@nuleafjhawk said in Lance Leipold:
I wonder if the Indiana coach would like to move to Lawrence? It'd be fun to ruin another good coach...
He just signed an 8 year, $93 million extension to keep him from going to Penn St.
@Texas-Hawk-10 Don't take everything I say so literally. I just like to think out loud sometimes.
Well, Brian Kelly is now available to coach.
This cycle is going to be especially insane. Weāre probably looking at 25ish FBS openings. Which drives me nuts about the fire Lance crowd. Where do they think we fall in that ranking, especially in a year where there arenāt really many great candidates out there?
I went to a lot of games during the Gill, Weiss and Miles era. Lance is so much better! There is always hope to win. There was zero chance back then. Maybe some changes w/ast coaches.
@FarmerJayhawk said in Lance Leipold:
This cycle is going to be especially insane. Weāre probably looking at 25ish FBS openings. Which drives me nuts about the fire Lance crowd. Where do they think we fall in that ranking, especially in a year where there arenāt really many great candidates out there?
I think a lot of people forget how hard it is to win here. And even if they do, keeping them here long enough to actually build a program.
I do think making bowls with his own guys is important. If he canāt do that, we do need to move on. But he absolutely should get another season at the very least. Probably 2 considering the buyout.
Give him a lifetime contract. Changing coaches isnāt going to help KU football. Itās a moribund program. Itās like expecting the Cleveland Browns to be good - maybe make the postseason, but to truly threaten for a title - not going to happen.
Iām enjoying winning 4 maybe 5 games this year. Way better than previous years. It helps that the Big12 lost all the good football teams - no Texas, Oklahoma, Texas AM, Missouri, or even Nebraska. Thatās the disappointing part for me - no good team in the Big12 and KU still canāt capitalize. I know theyāre not good, but I was hoping for an inflated record due to the competition sucking hind tit.
The best thing about this football season is that basketball has started and we no longer have to pretend like we genuinely care about KU football!!!
I do care about KU fb
@dylans I care a lot about KU football and always will. We still have a shot to get to a bowl game which is the only goal that matters right now. Stinks we lost yet again to our rivals. But it prob doesnāt hurt recruiting as much as it did in the past. Just have to dip into the Booth money more to get local kids.
Honest questions Iād like to hear some input on. Is Lance Leipold a good D1 coach? Is he a good recruiter? The two best years in Lawrence (6-7 in 22, 9-4 in 2023) were loaded with Les Miles recruits. Did he get lucky with the foundation Les laid and now we are seeing he is incompetent?
@kjayhawks I don't know that he's incompetent, I just think there's a huge difference in the way things are done in D3 and D1. Maybe he's cut out for D3.
This isnt logical imo. His recruiting classes are getting more highly ranked.
@approxinfinity Hove him 5 classes before passing judgement. Switching coaches too often hinders a programs as well. All us fans (of any team or sport) just want to skip the line and be awesome, but itās a process to build and sustain success. Hopefully thatās what we are witnessing. If not there will be another swing at it in a couple years.
We have lost Dunnigan.
I heard Miami offered $1.2m. If thatās right, let him walk.
@nuleafjhawk said in Lance Leipold:
@patoh3 what's a Dunnigan? Local bar and grille? I honestly don't know.
Itās a place in yolo county.
@nuleafjhawk oh yes Iām sure youād decommit from your current gig for 3x the cash
Unfortunate to see a prized Kansas kid going elsewhere but like I said itās more about money than performance right now for kids. If he was offered 1.2 mill to head to south I canāt blame him
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@kjayhawks said in Lance Leipold:
Honest questions Iād like to hear some input on. Is Lance Leipold a good D1 coach? Is he a good recruiter? The two best years in Lawrence (6-7 in 22, 9-4 in 2023) were loaded with Les Miles recruits. Did he get lucky with the foundation Les laid and now we are seeing he is incompetent?
I think his recruiting has been pretty solid. The QB room is as good as we could hope imo. I thought the transfers he brough in this year are good.
They need to take defense more seriously this offseason. They have to find some pass rushers and some guys who can create negative plays on the DL especially.
What about some o-line guys?
@Kcmatt7 I think Lance is fine as a D-1 Coach , it's the other Coach's that need attention. McDonald isn't cutting it , he is the Coordinator and it needs work -a lot of work on the defensive side.
Lance was part of the group of course in bring in our Michigan group , Marshall- - -Warner who has since transferred and a couple of others, I have faith in Lance- --he has a couple of assistants that is a different story.
I think with the heat he has been catching though I have to agree with others as many openins that have come up if these idiots keep harassing him he might just say scre it and leave for another job. Then the one'd who are bitching can really bitch when we fall right back where we were at before Lance showed.
Lance has done a lot for this program that I for one greatly appreciate
We do have to keep in mind that Kansas is by far, the most difficult D1 coaching job in the country.
When he first arrived I remember he and his inner-circle sat down and came up with a list of what this program needed and how to achieve it. This ended up working and pulling our program out of the mud. Thanks to this, we are not the same program Lance inherited.
However, as a new program, we now need a new evaluation. Lance and his circle need to sit down again and think of how our program can once again he retooled to take that next step: that of being a program that can win close games, win rivalry games, and play defense.
@kjayhawks is it a demand if its your job to identify what can be improved to elevate the program?
@approxinfinity still waiting for the elevation of the program. We have lost too many games for the talent we have had the last two years.
@kjayhawks ascendance to top tier? No we havent seen that. Elevation out of the perennial bottom of the barrel? We absolutely have.
@approxinfinity Iām just struggling to cope with this past weekend. Losing to them in 23 with a 3rd stringer was okay. Last year I didnāt expect to win but we gave it away. This year we took a giant step backwards. Leipold has been big about closing the gap. We were just as good the last two seasons in football just made silly errors. If we had JD show up last weekend and won Lance would have another full stadium with full support. KSU will be returning several key players including Johnson, Brown, Cure, Edwards and such. Itās very tough to believe we will be able to compete with them within the next two years. The defense wasnāt good Saturday but if the QB plays average and the special teams doesnāt have a fumble we are right there.
U think Edwards will be back?
@Crimsonorblue22 I think so at this moment
The rumor forever has been Edwards to USC. I also wouldnāt be surprised if someone dropped a bag for Brown and/or Cure. Just the way it is now.
I heard thatās why edwards didnāt play sat. He would lose this yr. Has Cure played much?
@Crimsonorblue22 heās been banged up a little. He also doesnāt really have a position right now. Heās too small to be a complete TE and not athletic enough to be a WR. He was always going to be a bit of a project.
@FarmerJayhawk I know he left from the state track meet straight to manhattan and they mentioned he was not 100% then. He did win the 100 meter hurdles. Part of his deal was to run in the state meet.
@FarmerJayhawk Brown maybe the best receiver in the B12 this season
Was talking with my Dr ( KU Grad ) was talking about KU & Coach L & we both agreed that these People saying fire Coach L-- --Coach L needs fired are nothing but complete idiots-- just idiots.
People saying these things don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. Oh sure it's easy to automatically say OH hell fire the Coach-- -fire the Coach like that's going to solve everything, while in reality all were doing is siting the program just further back all over again. THAT'S not the answer.
All your doing is breaking up the Continuity , your killing everything with Coach L has established he has done so much for the University and we are about to just throw it all away.
Coach has brought in better recruits , He knew that in order to compete we as a part needed better facilities that's all a major piece in recruiting now days we were the laughing stock of the conference the Nation with the old facilities w use to have. Recruits go and see our competition place then come here and see our old piece of crap Stadium we use to have. -Lance is the best thing we have had for such a long time. Yet instead of people realizing this they would just rather blurt out FIRE THE COACH- --FIRE THE COACH.= =Hate to tell you but there is a lot more to it then just firing the Coach.
@SlimShaddy54 You need to come out of your shell and say what you really think. Don't hold back.
@nuleafjhawk LOL you can count on it. always been that way , always will people don't like what I say-- - - -oh well truth hurts some times, I'll still sleep just fine fluff my pillow, pull the covers up and sleep great. can't stand wanna be fair weather fans or so called fans just the way it is. Easy out fire the Coach , fire the Coach
At least we didnāt hire Matt Rhule, with tonightās loss he falls to 2-24 vs top 25 teams as a head coach. Still a head scratcher as to why the Panthers hired him after one good year in Waco. I guess you never know people keep hiring Kliff Kingsbury for some odd reason. Dude couldnāt win with Mahomes
Itās a time when we need two things simultaneouslyā¦. To win games and not break the bank. Neither of these two goals will be accomplished by firing Lance. And no one is going to say he isnāt hustling his butt off. And, if anything, his assistant coaches might need to be looked at more critically since football is largely coached by assistants anyways.
@drgnslayr if DK isnāt fired, Iāll be very disappointed. That being said Lance wonāt fire him mid season. Best case scenario for us is Coach K returns and he runs the offense together with Coach Z. Then we go out and get a defensive coordinator worth a hoot. We should be plenty good on funds at this time, we have seen over $400 million in donations this season. If we have came close to running thru that we are in very big trouble. Iād like to see more invested in the staff for sure. We have found out this year with Tech what big money can get you players wise. They win the LOS on both sides 90% of the time. Thats were big boy football is played.
@kjayhawks lance doesn't seem to fire guys much. Very much a "keep grinding" guy so I would be very surprised if he fires DK.
@kjayhawks Hell buddy DK- -doesn't understand DK'S stuff , couldn't agree more. Hanni & Lawrence were talking about that all day Saturday -he HAS to go
@SlimShaddy54 I was never great at football and donāt claim to be a guru like basketball which Iāve been involved in every capacity you can for 30 years. But damn this basic stuff.
I played DB and RB (albeit not well) in high school and I do not like DKās scheme at all. Iām a dyed in the wool even front guy and this team is built for it. Why heās just like whatever weāll roll with a 5-2 is beyond me. My guess is heās infatuated with ācreativeā pressures and is willing to sacrifice some coverage and gap integrity to make it happen.
For one our backs coverage is pitiful they play these guys with almost a ten yard cushion , if they need that much room to cover then --we need a different guy that can pressure in tight -zone coverage sucks we need aggressive rip their head off if they catch the ball instead of coverage where it's Charmin soft
DK is in over his head totally lost on scheme
The guy that ripped off a head has to sit 1st half.
Iām hearing Lance has been to Florida this week š³
I think he would be foolish to leave, if he beats KSU a few weeks ago everyone is super happy with him. Even now 5 wins people aināt on his case. If he goes to a Florida or Wisconsin any thing less than 10 wins is gonna get you fired after a few seasons.
@kjayhawks maybe he went to negotiate with Disney for better TV time.
I really hope we see LL here one more year at least. I do think they do all the right things as far as running a football program, so the floor is higher than a lot of other guys we could end up with. If he makes a bowl this year he should get two years no matter what. Bowls 2/3 years moving forward should be expectations.
Next steps are really just stacking bowls and beating rivals. We arenāt THAT far from that. Win one of these final 3 games, get that bowl and extra practice. Do it again next year.
You can already see us doing better recruiting locally against KSU. Keep that up for 3-4 years and youāll see KU take a step up, and likely KSU a step down. Let LL recruit to his new facilities for a few years.
The program is in as good of shape as it has been in 13 years. We just need to be a patient fanbase. I do think we are still on the right track. Progress is unfortunately not linear at times
Like I said on another topic with all the big name firing this year so far and we likely aināt done yet. Some of these schools are going to have to fight to get their 3rd or 4th option at HC. That likely could be Lance in a few places.
I can't blame him, FANS wanted him fired!
Don't ask me.
I deal with unpleasantries professionally for far less cabbage. Just saying :)
@approxinfinity yes if you canāt take some heat after losing to your rival for the 17th straight time (not all on Lance) then you arenāt in the right profession.
I sincerely doubt itās true. Thereās basically no interest between Florida and Lance and a coach leaving the state on a game week is unheard of. Probably just a random Twitter account trying to stir the pot.
When Lovie Smith got hired by the Bears nearly 20 years ago he said his goal was to beat the Packers, something not happening much at that point. He started out 7-3 against them, finished 8-11. I'm not close to firing Leopold, but having a coach make a statement like this really would endear him to the KU faithful.
Wisconsins AD announced Fickell will be returning as head football coach in 2026. So thatās prob a bullet dodge, bet he gets a new OC tho lol
@kjayhawks II seen that too , was really happy about that-- that was a big one
Apparently I'm the only idiot watching KU lose today. But not for much longer. Whoever has the power, please put this miserable program out of its misery. Pathetic.....
@nuleafjhawk Youāre not the only one. Not anything positive to say so far!
What the hell happen to our offense
There the he// it is!
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I think I poked the bear.š» I may have to continue to poke throughout the game.
Seriously though, LL or whoever is calling the plays on offense is among the most boring and unimaginative people in college football history.
As M0ses parted the Red Sea on that game winning touchdown. Holy smokes.
That's awful defense. How can you have zero guys guarding up the middle?????
Lance had to be more aggressive folks, not going for that 4th and 2 on as as big of a play as any today. We have to stop playing not to lose in close games. It has not worked for 2 years. Lance would have a winning record here and 4 bowl games in 5 years if we could figure out close games.
Also, send prayers, well wishes, whatever to Lance and his family. Kelly recently had a major health scare.
@kjayhawks . - - -- Well perfect clarification as to why Coach didn't go for it on fourth and two. Just read from an article by Swain , said as the decision was being thought over he was told he could not have Jalon on the field for the next play even if he wanted to, He said he couldn't put him in even with by calling a time out like you can do if it's a helmet coming off- - - -you can't put a player back in the game afer an injury called by he officials. Decision made by that
Yep he was going to go for it until that
@SlimShaddy54 why couldn't he have put in Ballard or Marshall for one play?
@nuleafjhawk I dunno didn't say other then they just didn't feel comfortable with putting them in - - -really not sure exactly on that, Leipold said he wanted Jalon in--- Jalon said he wanted in but the ref made the final determination , Jalon said he wasn't really sure why they wouldn't let him back , something about if you showed ANY kind of weakness
@FarmerJayhawk She has breast cancer according to a tweet of hers I saw.
@SlimShaddy54 - Not comfortable? What does that say about next year? š«¤
@Gorilla72 who knows.- - I have a feel on one thing though , I think come next year Marshall is going to over take Ballard. -going to be interesting though to because have heard that McComb is a pretty dam good QB- -might have a real battle,
I think every time Marshall he has given good results running for multiple 8 yard games or more when he is in , very athleic ad fast
If Marshall canāt throw move him to RB or WR
@kjayhawks getting kind of late in the Season for experimentation now , but agree for sure. I think we need to make use out of Marshall for sure , the kid is to good wasting his years on the sideline
Iām excited for Zeke. Kid is a gamer. It might be a little rough at first as he adjusts to P4 ball but heās got a lot of potential.
Anybody hear when we play sat?
@Crimsonorblue22 We are off Saturday.- - We don't play again till the 22nd against Iowa St
Duh
AZ seems so long ago
@Crimsonorblue22 Duh lol
Ugh, I'm still suffering from the KSt and AZ losses. Lance and staff just can't seem to win games. The closeness of the games shows KU has the talent on the field to win. I'm not sure a 5-7 season is any better than 0-12. Worse because I follow the team only to suffer these close losses. KU led almost the entire AZ game until the last 60 seconds; KU is every other college team fan's favorite team to play.
Tamp down those expectation. I was expecting 2 -3 wins. This year had been great!
@stoptheflop thatās the hardest part Lance did a good job pulling this program from the depths of hell to having expectations. My expectations along with most fans is make a bowl. I donāt feel like thatās too lofty of an expectation. The other side of the coin with the Nice contract he got and the demands for the stadium upgrades that are in progress currently. One can say he isnāt holding up his end of the deal. Us losing so many close games the last few years but competing for the most part tells me we have the talent to go to bowl games. Itās as simple as if we lose Friday. He has to make a Bowl in 2026 to keep his job end of story. He made two of the worst coordinator hires in CFB history back to back.
It seems like football is a long term fix, unlike basketball.
So, it's hard to decide how frustrated to be. The worst part is that we've been on that fine line to make a bowl game in recent years. It's a simple goal, but seems unachievable.
I've concluded is this year we have no Devin Neal. Devin made p for a lot of mistakes , helped a hell of a lot covering a lot of decencies we had. We for one are not near the team we was with Devin not nearly as close to the more explosive team as we had last year.
Yet that's not where our main problem lies it's our defense, our defense just ssucks--- plain and simple , they can't stop a cold sure they can make a play here and there but then turn right around and give up huge play on key third down- - that is just not acceptable , there has to be a change. We must have guys that can play pressure man defense--b just have to be better all around.
@rockchalkjayhawk we are light years passed the quick fix IMO. This is year 5 five and very experienced roster as was last seasons. In 2022 we were able to build off a win late in the year in Austin the year before. We returned just about everyone and made a bowl game. 2023 we same thing built off a good season and won 9 games with a bowl. 2024 we had the most experienced roster in CFB and returned a number of guys that made NFL rosters. Couldnāt win close games 5-7 and this year will end the same way. Our two deep is loaded with seniors and experienced players. If canāt make a bowl this year I see no chance at it next season. Iād bet a good amount cash we are right back to the 3 win era.