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Anybody not named trae young thread

Mark Smith come on down fella.

David Duke might be moreso in play now for 2017 as well. Another name to watch: Jermaine Couisnard

I think we still got a great chance at Ayton running point

@BShark

I guess the only silver lining I could get from today was that 2018 KU will be hard pressed to lose Dotson and Grimes at this point. Self gets to sell the ocean to them both

@BeddieKU23 said:

@BShark

I guess the only silver lining I could get from today was that 2018 KU will be hard pressed to lose Dotson and Grimes at this point. Self gets to sell the ocean to them both

All the playing time in the world. Hell if I'm Self I would see if Dotson could reclass lol. Gimme Jamie Lewis too.

An unrealistic want would be Quickley, who has been mentioned as a reclass possibility before.

@BShark

I keep seeing Grimes is projected as a PG, I still see him more in the combo guard role. Dotson is just an unbelievable bigger need now. Lewis is solid, I think we'll have a tough time pulling him out the south though.

@BeddieKU23

If the atmosphere at the WVU game can't sway Lewis I don't want him. Ha.

Agree about Dotson. Gotta close that deal.

@BShark

Agreed, it didn't work for Duval under similar circumstance. Lewis is probably not someone Self takes without knowing Dotson's intentions. Regardless of ranking Dotson is exactly the point guard you build your future around

@BeddieKU23

Yep yep yep. Dotson is a top 50 talent but multi-year player. Much like Garrett. Players like that are hard to find these days.

NC State fired Mark Gottfried today. So what happens to with their recruits?

@Ralph said:

NC State fired Mark Gottfried today. So what happens to with their recruits?

What recruits?

@Ralph Doesn't look like they signed much for next season. I'm sure the word was out that Gottfried was getting the axe.

John Groce is going to be out at Illinois after the year is over as well. Tillmon would be nice.

I was thinking of their 2016 class, they only have 1 commit this year

@Ralph also if Romar is out in Washington, Blake Harris is available.

Someone will come out of the works after a coach gets fired. No need to rush to sign a guy. Be patient and wait on Duvall but if a good situation presents itself don't be afraid to jump on it.

@Kcmatt7 said:

@Ralph Doesn't look like they signed much for next season. I'm sure the word was out that Gottfried was getting the axe.

John Groce is going to be out at Illinois after the year is over as well. Tillmon would be nice.

Illinois has some decent PG commits too...

@Kcmatt7 i still think Duval may end up committing to Australia or somewhere overseas.

@Ralph I think he would be stupid not to. I actually think the top probably 25 players in every class should probably go play overseas for a year. Ferguson barely got any playing time overseas and is still projected to go in the 1st round.

@BeddieKU23 BUT didn't he pretty much try selling the Ocean to Trae? telling Trae couldn't figure out why such hard decision - -that Trae was going to be the starting PG for KU? what more could you ask for - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@BShark Sooo play this far fetched scenario with me. Jamie Dixon came out of the big East for the Big 12. - -What I wonder would be the possible interest for K-State - to look at Gottfried to take squeaky's place when they fire him? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 I don't think Gottfried has done all that much. Has he?

Who would name their kid "David" if their last name was Duke? Was there a boy named Adolf born in the same hospital on the same day?

@Hawk8086 na that's why he would be a really good fit at that high school in Manhattan -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@Crimsonorblue22 said:

Anybody not named trae young thread

Guess some can't read. Still talking about TY.

@brooksmd he's dead to me😉❤️💙🏀

@DanR Some parent who actually is a white supremacist would likely jump at the chance to name his kid "David Duke". Why else?

@Kcmatt7

Blake Harris is someone I've mentioned before. He's a player, I don't understand why he's underrated and if he was available I would hope the staff would take a look at him.

@jayballer54

Apparently the ocean wasn't free enough to come here. Next year there really won't be any doubt about playing time availability.

@Hawk8086

He had a couple of unexpected runs in the NCAA tournament but overall he was terrible in conference play. I think this years squad which has a lot of talented pieces being so dysfunctional really made it impossible to keep his job.

@BeddieKU23 The team that we played in 2012 in the tourney (I think?) was pretty decent as I recall. But other than that I thought he has been pretty underwhelming there.

@Hawk8086

Good recruiter but not a great coach. I think he's always skated by on recruiting. That 2011-12 squad really gave us a game. A few years back he overachieved getting to the Sweet 16 again. Some coach will get some good pieces to work with, obviously Dennis Smith is gone but 4 double digit scorers could be back for a new coach to groom.

@Kcmatt7

I don't know that Washington is going to get rid of Romar unless they elevate Porter's dad to head man. They can't risk losing a once in a generation talent like Porter. I think they see what they can do next year before taking it apart. They haven't recruited Seattle very well, which is basically inexcusable for the University of Washington. Porter is basically the last hope. They win next year, Romar saves his job. They don't, he's gone.

@justanotherfan

Porter as a HC is not an option, with his college coaching experience consisting of 3 years as women's assistant coach at the dumpster fire we call MU and one year at Washington he is more qualified to coach JuCo than Washington.

If Washington wants to keep Porter Jr. the only option is likely Romar, unless they can bring in a big name coach that is willing to keep Porter Sr. on the staff and can talk Jr. into staying.

@justanotherfan Currently, UW has lost 8 straight games. The odds of them losing 13 straight games is a legitimate possibility. They play Arizona, 3 straight road games and then the conference tournament. That will make them a 2 win team in the conference. I just don't see how in the world you could keep a coach after that. Not when he hasn't even made the tournament in the past 4 seasons. The fan base doesn't want him anymore. Romar was a good hire and put UW on the map. But he reached his peak. He has either lost his passion for the game, forgot how he won in the past, or was never that good of a basketball coach and he is extremely easy to beat once you have enough film on him.

I think Romar will be at Washington next year because of the Porter's. It sounds like the younger one might move up a year to play as well. That would give them 4 top 100 kids plus the underrated PG Harris. Hard to see them pulling the plug on that type of talent infusion. Under any other normal circumstance Romar should be gone but when you get a generational talent like Porter everything gets put on hold.

@BeddieKU23

How did getting Ben Simmons and other ranked players worked out for LSU?

@Kcmatt7

Can't argue with any of what you posted. The issue is that if Romar gets fired and they can't keep Porter, UW is even worse next season. Fultz is gone to the NBA, and if there's no Porter, they have zero firepower either coming back or coming in.

Washington is bad this season. If they fire Romar, they will be worse next year. If they keep him, they might be better next year. Like I say, if they keep him, they can just fire him next year. If they fire him now, they are basically punting on next season, too.

I saw Coach Roberts went and watched Duval last night along with two other 2018 PF prospects. Hopefully the coaches can pull the upset and get Duval away from Duke.

@chsguy2008 I suppose we go all on him now, right? I have been reading that he is a heavy lean to Duke but I honestly haven't been following his recruitment one bit until yesterday.

@justanotherfan Yea I mean I see what you are saying. Money wise, it makes sense to keep Romar too. People will show up at the beginning of the year to watch Porter. Plus they would get 3 guys that are probably not OAD in the program. If you fire Romar after this year the odds of UW keeping those 3 good recruits is a lot higher than if you fire Romar now.

Tough decision. Also depends on who is out there. Can you land a young guy looking for a P5 job that you will have for 10 years? If not I guess no harm in keeping Romar.... UW fans really want Brandon Roy to be their next head coach. And, it really might not be a bad move. I'm just not sure he is actually ready for a big job like that.

@JayHawkFanToo

It didn't work but I know that's the point and I absolutely agree. Romar shouldn't have the job at Washington but I think we all know if he's still there that it has everything to do with 1 recruit..

Some names coming to surface - -OR mentioned again : David Duke - - Trevon, Mark Smith, - - Keane, - - Jermaine Couisnard, - -- OR they mentioned going the Juco route. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

No Duke players listed above josh or frank in the draft according to cbs. Just saying....

@jayballer54

I feel confident we won't be going to the Juco route. Spring time always brings out some options. I would take Smith if they targeted him and then find ourselves a grad transfer after the season ends.

@BeddieKU23 Yeah I agree with you. I would rather go the grad transfer route than JUCO route. Plus, with the grad transfer route Self can definitely sell PT to those 2018 guards.

@BeddieKU23 you could be right. - -I just saw these names throwed out by our little buddy Matt Scott, from the shiver. My Opinion of him has lessened a little over the last 12 months but hey everyone is human I reckon. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@Kcmatt7

Just as important is the fact that if that class falls apart, they lose the other two Seattle guys (HS teammates Davis and Nowell). They can't afford to lose Porter and two kids that grew up in Seattle. That would be a disaster for the program.

I still think Romar gets fired next year, or the year after, but you can't give away a once in a lifetime chance to turn the program around by getting Porter (and keeping a couple of local kids) in the fold.

Here in WA state, everyone feels that Romar is on the ropes! They're not happy. He'll be gone in a year or two if next season is a bust.

@justanotherfan said:

@Kcmatt7

Just as important is the fact that if that class falls apart, they lose the other two Seattle guys (HS teammates Davis and Nowell). They can't afford to lose Porter and two kids that grew up in Seattle. That would be a disaster for the program.

I still think Romar gets fired next year, or the year after, but you can't give away a once in a lifetime chance to turn the program around by getting Porter (and keeping a couple of local kids) in the fold.

We offered Davis as well..

@Kcmatt7 Sorry, I'm behind, but who is Blake Harris? - I mean ya he plays at Washington, but is he someone we had recruited before of - -just askin. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 said:

@Kcmatt7 Sorry, I'm behind, but who is Blake Harris? - I mean ya he plays at Washington, but is he someone we had recruited before of - -just askin. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Hes apart of Washington's recruiting class. He's from NC and having seen him play i think he's a bit underrated. We have not recruited him to my knowledge but if there is a change at Washington maybe he looks around and I'm hoping that KU would look at him

@Hawk8086 No I don't think he has - I was kind of being a little smart you know what when I said that lol, another successful Coach for K-State. - man their boards are going off the charts though about possible hires - -Brad Underwood, Greg Marshall, Archie Marshal , Doug Gotleib they are ready for squeaky to go. - -Local radio sports talk show was saying at Wednsday's game talk about ya it was a 6:00 start but the octagon was dead place not full only 80-85 % of student section was there -- They said it was almost like they didn't care if they made the tourney or not, like if we do we do - more interested in getting Bruce OUT - - EOCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54

@BeddieKU23 Oh, ok cool thanks for the help - -I knew I could count on someone filling me in thanks - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

I don't think they will fire Romar after this season, - -I think they will give him a little more rope see how he does with this class that's coming in next year, then if he stinks it up - more then likely - -ya - -EOCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 Romar has had a lot of OAD's over the past few year, probably 3rd most behind UK and Duke and UW has consistently been bottom half of the PAC 12. There's no reason to bring him back because there's enough evidence to Romar will fail again. UW is 9-17 this year with a guy who will be a top 3 pick this year and possible #1 overall pick in Fultz. Romar has veen washed up for awhile now.

@Texas-Hawk-10 Dam, guess I'm having a brain fade - -forgot about Fultz, just getting old lol - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Mark Smith soaring up the rankings. #78 on Rivals now. Big time late riser. Bulky for a guard but smart and crafty. Players like this are good program glue guys. I'd love to see the staff offer before Duval declares but that seems unlikely.

@DanR I was literally thinking the same thing

Might end up being too late to offer Smith, as he is picking up more B1G offers.

anyone see duval's blog post., SMH at this kid. Comments about Kansas not shouting his name at the game but Duke did. Yippeeee that fans didn't bend over backwards for you when the game was more important

@BeddieKU23 said:

anyone see duval's blog post., SMH at this kid. Comments about Kansas not shouting his name at the game but Duke did. Yippeeee that fans didn't bend over backwards for you when the game was more important

Yeah, staff should be off of him but they really want an elite guard. He is more likely to go to Seton Hall than KU imo.

@BShark

Oh yeah there's no risk chasing him because that's what he wants. That's what he and his father have always wanted. He's a great talent but I've always believed he doesn't have the type of character Self wants from a OAD. I just don't think he cares where he goes as long as it showcases his game

@BeddieKU23

Agree. I just hope going after him doesn't hurt the pursuit of other, more realistic late guard signees.

@BShark

It probably does have an impact. Mark Smith is a perfect example of that. He's a big PG, more combo guard in certain situations. Unless KU picks up on him I see him going with a team that has prioritized him. We clearly need 2 more ball handlers for next season unless there's a miracle and Devonte returns

Graham is around 40 in several mocks. If he goes off during the next 3-4 weeks he could play himself into the first round---POSSIBLY. But I still think there is better than 50% odds that he comes back to Kansas.

What would be terrible would be to lose both Svi and Graham.

That would leave Malik Newman and Vick and Cunliffe to carry the load.

@Blown And the freshman Garrett.

I'd hate to see more KU players leave early for the D-league. Sucks

@dylans thanks, could not recall if Garrett was coming in this year, or next year. We can hope he has the ability to step in and make an immediate impact.

@Blown

Yupp that is why the stakes were so going after high the last PG target.

I know Devonte hasn't said publicly he's going pro but there was plenty of smoke from around the program that he was. And it seemed to be backed further when Self's main goal for the entire recruiting cycle was to get a top point guard.

He struck out on Thornton who transferred from Duke-USC, Sexton -Alabama, Troy Brown-Oregon. We also tried unsuccessfully to get involved with Quade Green- Kentucky, Matt Coleman- Texas, Tremont Waters- Georgetown, Nick Weatherspoon- Miss St, Deajon Davis- Washington. That's 9 PG/Combo Guards in the top 50 that KU has not landed for one reason or another. All of them besides the OU kid decided before Frank Mason blew up and had such a great season.

What we can hope is that his season has a great impact on the 2018 kids like Dotson, Grimes & Lewis that the staff has already targeted..

That would leave Malik Newman and Vick and Cunliffe to carry the load.

Newman being the only hope of being a ball-handler/facilitator. Garrett would get some major PT at that point as well.

It's clear Self will get guards if Devonte does leave. We just don't know what will be available when Devonte makes that decision. And we will have no clue what level of impact those guards will be at.

@BeddieKU23

I have to think prospects knew that Mason would be a 4 year player and the big question was really Devonte and to a lesser extent Malik. I would guess prospects thought they would have to play behind Devonte and Malik and perhaps that lead them to a different school...we still don't know what Devonte will do and I am sure it is affecting recruiting. KU spent, or maybe we can now say wasted, a lot of time on Young and I would have thought KU was the logical place but then, maybe he knows Devonte is coming back and that swayed his decision. Time will tell...

@JayHawkFanToo

Good point, the uncertainty surrounding what Graham is doing definitely affected these top kids decisions. They all want to start immediately and not play behind someone.

It just blows my mind that if kids really payed attention to KU's offense this year we are playing 5 guards big minutes. If your good enough you will play.

In the scenario where Graham/Newman/Vick/Svi/Cunliffe are all on the team next year that would be unattractive to a top player who doesn't want to fight/compete for minutes.

@BeddieKU23 said:

@Blown

Yupp that is why the stakes were so going after high the last PG target.

I know Devonte hasn't said publicly he's going pro but there was plenty of smoke from around the program that he was. And it seemed to be backed further when Self's main goal for the entire recruiting cycle was to get a top point guard.

He struck out on Thornton who transferred from Duke-USC, Sexton -Alabama, Troy Brown-Oregon. We also tried unsuccessfully to get involved with Quade Green- Kentucky, Matt Coleman- Texas, Tremont Waters- Georgetown, Nick Weatherspoon- Miss St, Deajon Davis- Washington. That's 9 PG/Combo Guards in the top 50 that KU has not landed for one reason or another. All of them besides the OU kid decided before Frank Mason blew up and had such a great season.

What we can hope is that his season has a great impact on the 2018 kids like Dotson, Grimes & Lewis that the staff has already targeted..

That would leave Malik Newman and Vick and Cunliffe to carry the load.

Newman being the only hope of being a ball-handler/facilitator. Garrett would get some major PT at that point as well.

It's clear Self will get guards if Devonte does leave. We just don't know what will be available when Devonte makes that decision. And we will have no clue what level of impact those guards will be at.

I wouldn't classify Brown any more of a possible PG than Garrett. Don't think he belongs mentioned with those others. Also fwiw I believe that Thornton/Newman as well as Garrett/Brown were pretty much either/ors for the staff. Of course there was no assurance that we get Brown anyway (Nike was an issue), which is why the staff taking Garrett was smart. But anyway, both struggle to shoot. Though Garrett is improving more in this regard. Brown is a complete non-shooter. From what I've seen his stroke looks good, it just does not go in consistently.

Jmo on the rest here.

Sexton - clear miss, to a shitty program. KU was involved early. This one stings.
Green - no mutual interest, can't be helped.
Coleman - Tricky one. No 100% sure of KU's interest. He was waiting for the Duke offer that never came. So if KU presses early they probably don't get a commit anyway. Maybe he picks KU late over Texas. Hindsight says maybe go this route but recruiting Coleman could have hurt with other targets.
Tremont Waters - Like Coleman maybe if KU is more serious they land him.
Nick Weatherrspoon - Don't think he was interested in KU.
Davis - no idea actually, didn't follow his recruitment at all but listing his name for completion sake.

@BShark

I was just basically listing any guard that KU was either recruiting or interested in at one point. I could have added Chaundee Brown, while not a PG was another huge miss for the staff. And then to think that for all OAD SF's we've gotten how many were scared away by Svi's position on the team. I mean we are talking about 10-20 guards/wings that avoided coming to KU so far because these kids couldn't be guaranteed a starting spot next year.

Obviously KU has done well getting Newman & Cunliffe, prolific scorers.

Preston if eligible is one of the most intriguing talents we've ever landed.

Garrett is a sure-fire fan favorite while he's here and I still feel he'll have the ball in his hand at times. I see a lot of people taking Ryan's word that he'll be recruited to play the wing because he's saying so when he's never seen him play a single game!

Crazy that our insiders don't even know our own players coming in. I can't take that kind of un-knowledgeable opinion serious. He's saying the same thing about Mark Smith who without a doubt is playing the PG position and doing a heck of a job playing it this year. That's how he's gotten all the way into the top 100.

I'm sure Self will find us a DITR as you've mentioned.

I just looked through a handful of mock drafts and I don't see Devonte on any of them. What am I missing? Is Devonte planning to go the Wayne Selden route of going to the NBA without knowing whether or not his name is going to be called on draft night?

These are real questions, not sarcasm. I truly don't understand why guys leave early when they may be floating around the NBDL for a few years. B Mac, T Rob, Wiggins, Oubre, Josh Jackson...I 100% get it. You are literally going to be a millionaire over night. Go get paid while you can. This is your one chance in life but for Selden last year and Devonte this year I don't really get why you test the waters.

@joeloveshawks

Your right but we don't know what kids are thinking these days. Devonte is old for his class, might want to start his career regardless of how the season ends. There have been rumors that he told the staff he was planning to leave. None of that has substantiated but I believe those rumors started floating sometime after he ended last season on a high note, he performed well at Summer Camps and started receiving buzz from the media. Then you had Self out in full force recruiting top ranked point guards since last season ended. Just seems like there has been some writing on the wall..

@BeddieKU23

Agree Chaundee was a tough miss but then the staff landed Cunliffe so it's not as big of a deal. I feel Chaundee fit Self's old rigid system much better as a wing, and Cunliffe doesn't have great basketball skills yet. But with the ways Self has been coaching lately, I feel like he can get good output from Cunliffe. I am not sure Cunliffe wants to do it, but he is an intriguing small ball 4 option.

You are pretty much right Graham and Svi being up in the air has hurt recruiting. We think they are gone, which leaves the very thin line-up of Newman, Vick, Garrett and then Cunliffe at semester. If they are both back however, that's 6 guards and there isn't room for much more pt if any. That said with the way the staff is gunning for a PG, they sure are recruiting like Graham is gonzo.

Preston intrigues me. The talent is there for sure. Funny how things could work out, I doubt he ends up committing to KU if Ayton goes as planned. While Ayton is a great talent I think 2 years of Preston might end up being better (two years is a stretch here but the 2018 draft class is a lot weaker so maybe it works out).

Garrett imo will never be THE pg but he will definitely handle the ball some.

Of course Smith is a PG, what else is he? LOL. He is an unconventional PG I suppose though, in that his body type is bulky. Decent shooter and good bbiq though.

Once Duval is out of the picture (in my mind he should be already but we know how the staff operates) I'd love to see them press for Smith. Smith's 247 page was updated recently. He has a lot of good offers.

Another interesting guard is Jermaine Couisnard. Can absolutely shoot it and score it. Now, he would definitely instigate a freak out if he committed. No profile I could find on Rivals, Scout or ESPN. Not many highlights of him out there.

@joeloveshawks

If he goes, it's likely he ends up in the dleague or Europe. His clock to get paid is ticking and it's not like another year assures he gets drafted in the NBA, so I do understand if he goes.

@BShark Who cares if he doesn't want to play the 4. He can't transfer again for 2 years. Put him at the 4 and space the floor. At least next season.

@BShark Also, Devonte should definitely get his degree. I'm just saying, with that baby face he could get into broadcasting and do it for a long long time...

Other than being able to be called to the League on a moments notices, not much advantage to the D League since the guys that get called are the ones that are already under contract and are sent there to get some playing time, like Diallo. The salaries suck, the accommodations are marginal and the locations not desirable.

At KU he gets to live in style, has access to great facilities and coaching. top competition and exposure he can only dream in the D League...plus he gets to complete his degree, something that might serve him well the rest of his life.

@joeloveshawks Devonte is the # 40 pick - - - -going to Houston from Portland according to Draft Express. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@BShark

If we target Couisnard we should be freaking out. Not someone I would look at athletically or trying to figure out how he would figure in playing for next years team. If he's a signee just to fill the roster I'm still not happy with it.

Your right we softened losing on Brown by getting Cunliffe. Cunliffe if he puts it together has a great chance to fit into the role Svi is currently having. Cunliffe is a better athlete but must mature.

Yeah Smith is a big type of PG, reminds of Marcus Smart in body type or De'Andre Kane of ISU a few years ago. Those big types can be very very effective. Garrett is very long and lanky and is the same way, can handle the ball but on height alone is probably a better natural fit playing SG/SF..

Preston is going to be one of those players that shows tremendous flashes with plenty of freshman moments. I just don't think you teach effort in 1 off-season. He's going to be a work in progress in that way but if he fits into the team and becomes a team player he'll remind us why he's a top 20 player more often then not. 6'10 kids who can shoot and handle the ball like him just don't grow on trees.

@BeddieKU23

I would assume to fill out the roster and yeah, athletically he is not a guy that historically sees play under Self. Lucas wasn't either though...but this is another level (or two) down from Lucas. I'd much rather land Smith of course.

Let's just hope Cunliffe turns out better for KU than previous kids from his HS have in Lawrence...

I have no doubts Preston will drive us and Self nuts, but then yeah he will do something ridiculous in a good way.

@JayHawkFanToo Everything you say makes sense and points to why a player should go back to school....but I think sometimes these guys are just tired of being a student and want to make money playing bball............if not the NBA.....overseas is the backup plan.

@jayballer54 I had not seen that one. Thanks for sharing. I hope for his sake that a pick like that is close to reality.

Kansas is going "all out" for 5 star #1 PG Trevon Duval. Also heavily pursuing 5 star SG M.J. Walker

@Statmachine said:

Kansas is going "all out" for 5 star #1 PG Trevon Duval. Also heavily pursuing 5 star SG M.J. Walker

Not getting either one.

gotta love the all out references. Like are they sitting outside his house?

@BeddieKU23 said:

gotta love the all out references. Like are they sitting outside his house?

:sob: :sob: :sob: :sob: :sob: :sob: :sob: :sob: :sob: :sob: :sob:

Dying.

@BShark Well never say never, but I have to agree well with Duval, our chances of getting him are like California having a blizzard in the valley in the middle of July. I don't know very much on the MJ Walker so I can't say. I only know well at least everything I've read and heard Duval is all in on Duke.- -He is taking his Arizona visit this weekend , don't know why? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54

Walker's recruitment has been a very strange one for a 5 star. Many believe he won't leave the south. Also I know we and heck even I am weary about Scott after how he handled the Young situation but he said that Cunliffe took Walker's potential spot.

@BeddieKU23 you didn't know that lol? - - Norm has sit his mobile travel trailor right outside his house, changed his mailing address. you know I'm just messin around, seriously I'm sure they are giving it all they have, just seems like kind of senseless at this point - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Bill Self instead of coaching tonight's game against TCU has taken a red-eye flight to IMG Academy where a reporter spotted him camping in a tent outside of 5 star recruit Trevon Duval room. When approached about why he was letting assistant coaches Townsend, Roberts and Howard coach tonight's game he calmly responded " we need a dang point guard for next year". You have it, the "all out"

@BeddieKU23

I can imagine "Snacks" sitting in his car in front of Duval's home. stake out style, with a gigantic box of candy on the passenger seat watching the pounds pile up

@BShark If I were any good at photoshop I would put Coach Self and Snacks faces on this pic! LOL
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@Statmachine

That's great!

@mayjay said:

@JayHawkFanToo I assume your body fat is about 2% and you eat kale for a snack?

Why not just point at him and say, "Hey! Look at Fattie!"?

This constant barage of ridicule by "fans" here against a KU assistant coach is disgraceful. Even if you haven't personally been the one perpetuating it, why throw this crap into a thread that is about his job?

All bow to the board policeman aka Lord Mayjay, always Mr. Holier than Thou. Its gotten to the point where these gross overreactions to poster's comments are way worse than the original comment itself. Anybody else getting really tired of this?

@RockkChalkk Yes,, asking people to be polite is worse than insults. I apologize if I ruin your day by hoping for civility.

@Statmachine

Now that's funny.

Question for anyone: If there is a miracle and Self gets Duval to come to KU is it the most talented starting line-up he has had? Projecting a line-up of Duval, Newman, Vick, Preston, Doke.

@mayjay

Chill dude..

You do know his nickname is "snacks" right? You do know why, right? Excuse me for being politically incorrect.

@JayHawkFanToo I have asked before, with no one answering, if that was his actual nickname or if it is only used here on this board. If it is real, I said I would withdraw my objection.

A google search shows a 2013 article referring to his players at UI giving him the nickname. I apologize and am deleting my comment.

@mayjay

No problem...it is Hump day and we are all pumped up in anticipation to clinching #13... :smiley:

@JayHawkFanToo Yeah, I was also just sensitive about being told by Doc to eat kale...it is a scary thought. Sorry again.

@mayjay

I was told the same thing and starting March 1st I am going on a diet with a 20 pound weight loss as the target. I am trying to enjoy my last few days of care-free eating.

@mayjay oh, not sure what kale is - -but doesn't sound like something I would like to eat ROCK CAHLK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 Think of it as a combination of the most tasteless leafy green you ever ate with the texture of shedded reptile skin.

Kale is delicious in this soup! I don't think you will lose weight but its Kale

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I highly recommend making this soup if you have never tried it! Its SOOOOOOO good!

@mayjay Oh HELL NO ewwwwww, - -LOL -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@Statmachine

I will vouch for that...but the way they prepare it you will probably not lose any weight.

Darien Jackson of Overland Park committed to Tulsa

@BeddieKU23

Weird. Did KSU pass on him or did he pass on KSU....

@BShark

Wouldn't be surprised if he turned them down. Uncertainty at coach, Stokes only a Soph and they have 3 other young guards coming in next year. Maybe wanted to get out of state. It's a good fit for him, he wasn't KU material but he'll do okay there

@BeddieKU23

He probably wasn't, but we might end up with worse at the end of the bench (if it gets filled).

@BShark

You could be right. Was he ever on our radar? Sometimes Self just processes the local talents when they don't meet certain criteria. He loves athletic guards and Jackson is not one of those.

It's been quiet on the recruiting scoop lately.

Duval went to Arizona over the weekend, Baylor tonight.
His father seems to be high on KU after their visit from his interview. Can take that with a grain of salt..

Duke board reporting Marcus Keene the leading scorer in the country is looking at Duke/Michigan next year as a grad transfer.. Obviously after the season every coach with a pulse will be throwing their hat at him as well

Does anyone with access to the recruiting sites know anything about whether Zion Williamson is actually considering us? I don't recall anyone here mentioning him but he is Rivals #2 in 2018 class, and sites indicate we have offered. He is a junior here in SC, and the local paper has twice written him up as a major force of the future. I am sure Frank Martin is salivating, and Roy, too.

And then the other day there was this:

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@mayjay Update: 247 has us as warm, along with other blue bloods plus local school Clemson. Cool on S Carolina. Happens a lot with upstate kids.

@BeddieKU23 I'm not beginning to even think of a possibility of Duval committing here. It's like you mentioned the other day or sometime ago, true he may of been impressed on his visit But it's just a process. Like you said I believe just going through a process taking his 5 visits, why not take all 5 visits they are paid for, enjoy the process. -- - He has Duke written all over him, you know it I know it, I think the only reason he HASN'T announced is because he wants to enjoy his 5 visits. I think one would have to be pretty naïve to think we have a legit chance with him.

You are right 100% the recruiting front has been real quiet - -not sure if I like that or not - doesn't seem or look particularly good for any additions this year - I'm sure Coach will pull one out of his bag of tricks though and we will be fine. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@BeddieKU23

Yeah he really wasn't. Which is also why I have a hard time believing there is much real interest in Couisnard. I always get nervous in these situations but Self will get players... UK ends up with players like Green and Murray some how after they miss. Blah.

@mayjay

1% maybe? He is a Duke lean. A shame though, we are talking close to LBJ physical gifts for that kid.

@BeddieKU23 said:

It's been quiet on the recruiting scoop lately.

Duval went to Arizona over the weekend, Baylor tonight.
His father seems to be high on KU after their visit from his interview. Can take that with a grain of salt..

I'm off Duval at this point. I'd consider it a stunner if he picked KU and Seton Hall is more likely. Give me Mark Smith and Self can finagle next season.

@BeddieKU23 said:

Duke board reporting Marcus Keene the leading scorer in the country is looking at Duke/Michigan next year as a grad transfer.. Obviously after the season every coach with a pulse will be throwing their hat at him as well

Can't see him going there if they get Duval.

@mayjay

Well to answer your question "is he considering KU"- I think so. I don't think he's really said too much about what schools he's really looking at yet. But KU is among the many that are drooling over him and for good reason.

KU is definitely recruiting him, we've seen assistants to his games this year.

I know Zion has taken some local unofficial visits even stopping by Wofford of all places.

I'm assuming this summer he'll break down his recruiting.

Duke has been the perceived favorite for a while

@mayjay don't believe Williamson is considering us at least at this point at all or if he is it's a very slight possibility. -- Thinking again he is ANOTHER one that's the typical Kentucky - -Duke- -or maybe N Carolina thing same song different verse. ---ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54

It's Duke unless something changes big time.

@jayballer54

Yeah his father seems to be impressed with KU for whatever that means. Trevon, well its been done to Duke for months.

If there was a miracle and we got Zion, my excitement would be Josh Jackson level.

@BShark

Right there with you, I'm nervous as heck about who's our point guard for next year. Especially when I don't think Graham will be back and the Duval sweepstakes passed. Self always gets players but will he get the right one. We have a need for an immediate talent, not a development talent. That's the difference about how this spring will go, can Self find someone who can play now

@mayjay pretty heavy lean on Duke right now - - what a surprise, we are recruiting him - -longs ways to go, everybody and their brother would want this kid. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@BeddieKU23

Quentin Grimes? :smirk:

@BShark

If he was a possible reclassification, sign us up yesterday.

Here's the other issue that you just presented, 2018 recruiting where we are really deep in with 2-3 Top 50 PG/Combo's. If you sign a PG who isn't going to start right away your clogging up the roster and your downgrading your chances with Dotson/Grimes etc.

So what is happening is KU rides the Duval train until he announces. When he goes to Duke we look at the transfer pool next for an immediate 1 year starter. If that pool doesn't give us something, then its the coaching change carousel and whoever opens back up (again not likely to include any OAD type talent).
Guys that could be available in that situation- Tremont Waters if Georgetown cans their coach, Williams son at Illinois if Groce is out.. Etc. Neither OAD and diminish the chances with 2018.

@BeddieKU23

If we miss on Duval AND Graham goes.

Oh and agree it sucks to sign a bunch of kids only to potentially mush them.

@BeddieKU23 Groce finishing out on a high note it looks like... Could go on a 6 or 7 game winning streak here late. He does that and IU is all of a sudden a 21 or 22 win team who went 9-9 in conference play and they would be looking at the bubble. But they have to beat MSU. They do that and he is definitely back in Champaign.

@BeddieKU23

Shows what I know. Couisnard will be visiting for the game tonight.......................,......,.......,.....,.......,.................,......,......,....

@BShark How do you feel about him? Combo or PG?

@BShark

yikes, unofficial at least

@Kcmatt7

He's perfect if he's the 13th scholarship.. KU needs bodies And if he doesn't screw up future recruiting at the position..

@Kcmatt7 said:

@BShark How do you feel about him? Combo or PG?

Last resort, likely to end up like Woolridge, Merv, Rio etc... if he comes to KU. On the other hand, he is reportedly a KU fan so it's possible he would be in it for the long haul as predominantly a practice player.

@BeddieKU23 said:

@BShark

yikes, unofficial at least

Wouldn't know what to think if it was official.

@BeddieKU23 said:

@Kcmatt7

He's perfect if he's the 13th scholarship.. KU needs bodies And if he doesn't screw up future recruiting at the position..

Doesn't scare off anyone just like Mitch. Players like Dotson, Grimes etc...know they will get PT if they come to KU.

Positives about Couisnard..

Loves to finish with his left. Uncanny for a righty, that is something he could use to fool defenders because he's not an elite athlete by any means.

Good shooting stroke, definitely can shoot the 3.

6'4 so he's not lacking ideal size for either guard position.

Word is he's a scoring machine.. No recent footage of him though that I've found

@BShark

Where did you see the Grimes to reclassify thing? Is that from a legit source?

Cousinard doesn't have a single D1 offer fwiw, at least not listed. Probably has conditional offers from schools recruiting him such as Depaul, Northwestern, Morehead State etc... I would project him as a three, which he has the size to play in college.

@BeddieKU23 said:

@BShark

Where did you see the Grimes to reclassify thing? Is that from a legit source?

Known dumbass Shay, so grain of salt. That said, Grimes is a pretty heavy KU lean so I think he'd do it if KU asked. Man though don't get me started on schools asking kids to do it...

@BShark

Interesting so basically just a rumor coming from Shay. I was just trying to find out if he was old enough to do so..

Grimes is a talent though, better than anything we'd get in 17 besides Duval. Much improved from last season. If Self were to push him into this year its a smart move because of Duke/Zona and others trying to get into his ear.

@BeddieKU23

If he is willing to hop on board early then yeah, it's smart because the schools you mentioned will be involved. Zona would make a hard push, Duke has lots of options so idk about them as much.

Saw a decent comp posted for Cousinard....Milton Doyle. Who mind you has had a nice career at Loyola (IL).

@BShark said:

Milton Doyle

Hmmmm....idle thought while waiting for Senior Night....I occasionally wonder if HEM kept up his BFF pen-pal realtionship with Milton's brother?

@BShark

We'll see if this visit has any substance. We know he's not the type of player we need to immediately use. Until Duval announces it seems like all we will be doing is laying some eggs in case they are available post Duval decision

@BeddieKU23

Things are getting chippy over on the shiver about this kid...

@BShark

Doesn't take much on there..

We do need bodies for next year.

I think Couisnard represents the focus that KU needs bodies next year, not the OMG we missed on every top PG so we might as well reach type. I think anytime a kid doesn't have a 4-5 star next to their name certain parts of a fan-base will freak out. If its true that he's having a great season and starting to get more looks maybe he's worth bringing in for an unofficial which could turn into an official in the spring if needed..

I don't think it stops our focus for an immediate impact guard that can play alongside Newman.

@BeddieKU23

If it ends up being 4 scholarships to fill and him being the 6th guard then yeah it's really not a big deal. If he is the only additional guard added (and lose DG and Svi) then it's an issue.

Agree totally about the stars thing. I'm more of an offer guy and also I like to watch footage. There really isn't anything recent on this kid.

@BShark

Seems like we'll have at least 3 to use this spring. And we've talked about how next year we could see just as many Hawks gone even if Graham/Svi returned. Next season we will be sweating out Doke/Preston/Vick/Newman decisions. Having anyone who isn't leaving by next season is important and this guy definitely represents that. Even as exciting as getting OAD talent is, you can't substitute for experience which Self thrives with..

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@BeddieKU23 I'm going to plead ignorance on this kid. - -T he only things I know is from the talk you all have discussed., but I think I would have to agree of reading what you all are saying - -yes could be just because this kid isn't some big talented stud doesn't mean he is a big pile of cow doo.- - If Bill and staff have seen him, watch some, who knows - MAYBE the kid could be a solid 4 year player when all said and done, who knows. Like you say we do need bodies, if the kid wants to come in with the understanding it takes times, works his butt off, maybe he develop into a better player people do freak out. Once schools land 4-5 star players on a frequent basis then if it's let's people tend to think - -why the hell we recruiting this kid? I think you can use a blend, they can't ALL be 5 star maybe doesn't hurt to take him in. - -Like others have said too these better players they don't back off of competition if they are as good as advertised, they thrive on competition,- - if we could get Grimes to re- classify were in pretty good with him aren't we? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@BeddieKU23 I don't know, I could be WAY out in left center here, but with Doke injury this year - -I just feel for some reason nothing solid to put behind anything but for some reason I just feel we are going to have DOKE for 2 full seasons yet starting next season. - I think his development took a serious hit with his injury and unless he just has a monsterous year next year I think he will still stick for 2 more seasons to develop- -like I said could be totally off by doesn't hurt to hope. - - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@BShark

Good lord he looks improved this year

@jayballer54

Hope your right, not counting on him past next season. Will depend on what Scouts think of him as he's not what the NBA is looking for in a 5 anymore. Lots of tools though, young, athletic big beast

@BeddieKU23 said:

@BShark

Good lord he looks improved this year

Gonna be a stud. Zero doubts he is a top 50 player.

@BeddieKU23 said:

@jayballer54

Hope your right, not counting on him past next season. Will depend on what Scouts think of him as he's not what the NBA is looking for in a 5 anymore. Lots of tools though, young, athletic big beast

Never thought I'd see the day but you are correct. Two healthy years of Doke would be perfect and KU could bridge to the 19 class.

So we have mentioned MJ Walker having an odd 5 star recruitment. To a similar extent Brandon McCoy has as well. Looks like MSU or Oregon for him. He was pretty interested in KU once upon a time, not sure what happened.

@BShark

Seemed like his interest died early when KU lost Ayton who was his teammate..

I think McCoy goes to Oregon as Michigan St signed 2 Bigs already.

Bowen has been another I can't believe we weren't involved with. Just went to Zona again. Either MSU or Zona for him..

@BShark

Absolutely, zero doubts about him. He's gonna play

@BeddieKU23

Yep. As a FR. Might start at this point.

@BeddieKU23 said:

@BShark

Seemed like his interest died early when KU lost Ayton who was his teammate..

I think McCoy goes to Oregon as Michigan St signed 2 Bigs already.

Bowen has been another I can't believe we weren't involved with. Just went to Zona again. Either MSU or Zona for him..

From my perspective which is limited it seemed like KU just didn't go that hard for him. To be fair, we already have a center with limited basketball skills on the roster.

No clue on Bowen.

Tfwiw but Slater told me straight up that Jaren Jackson and Nojel Eastern were players that wanted to hear from KU. Sometimes recruiting is weird.

I'm wondering where Jordan Tucker will end up if Crean is fired.

@BeddieKU23 One thing for sure you got right. He is a Beast - -I think next year - - look out., it's going to be fun watch him develop. - - - oh not related but just real quick, who you got - -WV or Baylor tonight. Dunno I think Baylor gets them tonight. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@BShark

Forgot about Tucker, can really really shoot the ball. I know that Georgia Tech was pushing for him with their PG committed being one of his friends. Thought Nova had a great chance with him.

The Graham and Svi decisions loom huge in terms of our talent for next season, another in a string of very optimistic Bill Self coaching years.
But what looms even bigger is the state of experienced returning talent for the 2018/19 season. The coaching staff has to be shuffling its cards weekly in a determination for serious recruiting offers and signees. If Graham should return, next season's mix of experience and talented newbies looks terrific. Considering the upward pace in Vick's development, we could lose Svi and continue to excel. Does Graham entertain the challenge of becoming next season's Frank Mason?

Duval, Walker, and Knox would round out the class nicely!

I hope KU lands another impact player, but maybe I'm underestimating whats on campus.

So Self pleaded for Graham to come back next season. Not hard to imagine he's already made his intentions known and that's why he did it..

@BeddieKU23 Doesn't he always plead at Senior Night for the underclassmen to come back? Like Cliff, Brannen, Tharpe, -- oh, wait! Never mind.

@JayHawkFanToo @Statmachine @jayballer54

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@mayjay

Does he? I forget if he has in the past. I did notice he singled out Devonte then Josh. Not Svi.. It definitely felt like he was making a point with DG..

@BeddieKU23 I think he "suggested" it to Wigs. I know he has joked about it in the past--although I can't remember who--and I have thought it is a standard line. Of course I am getting old, so it may have been in a press conference or the banquet or something other than Senior Night.

@dylans

KU has never been in it for Knox.

Need another ball handler. Self can easily win the league and have this team in NC contention with Competent PG/Newman/Garrett/Vick/Cunliffe as the guards/wings and a post rotation of Preston/Bragg/Doke/Coleby.

Mentioned in the game thread but this kid was at the game last night:

I don't think he is one that Creighton swoops in and steals...

@BShark

Seems like he's been at every big KU game this season. Can't imagine we let him slip by, way too good for that. My hope is that he locks down Harvey and Robinson before next year

@BeddieKU23

:100: There is no doubt Harvey is a KU fan. I don't think this was even considered a visit vs really he was just going to the game lol. Both him and JRE are too good that you can't wait around hoping for a top 15 player imo. Heck Harvey is rated ahead of Jacobs right now, but I don't think that will hold up. JRE thought about making it official after last late pm but the word is he is already a silent pledge.

@mayjay Wiggins is the only player I remember Self lobying for at sr night to come back.

He said McLemore needs to go. He said Oubre needed to go.

I don't think Graham needs to go. I think Graham wants to go. Graham is a joy to watch play and one of my favorite Jayhawks. Unfortunately I don't feel as though Graham is an NBA talent.

The guy I wonder about is Bragg -- not in a good position draft-wise. Has had a rough season. Is he back? Draft or transfer?

First video I've seen of Harvey. Yikes he's not very athletic. 4 year player that would likely be good by his Jr. year.

@dylans

Kind of summarized exactly the whole situation with Graham. Who will win in the end? Remains to be seen

@HighEliteMajor

He won't be going in the draft. I expect him to be back.

@dylans said:

First video I've seen of Harvey. Yikes he's not very athletic. 4 year player that would likely be good by his Jr. year.

He is the type of program player that develops and thrives under Self. Exactly the kind of player I love to see in the program.

@dylans

He's also a 2019 kid, a few years to work on his athletic ability. Definitely a kid you don't want to see at Wichita, KSU, or any surrounding program. He's a take and develop player, the cornerstone to future years of success.

@BeddieKU23

Way way way too good for WSU or KSU.

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This appeared in my twitter feed recently. Lookin good Markese.

@BShark He right here with me in T-Town, really good , have to consider the competition though but I still like him. I think were surpose to be sitting pretty good with him at this point aren't we? - -Got to get out and watch him a little more I mean no reason not too same city, just a hop, skip and jump to his school. - -same school as the surgeon went to Hayden - private Catholic school a 4 A school - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@HighEliteMajor Boy you thinking my thoughts. Had an awful lot going on this season , your right not a good draft position at all - -as a matter of fact I don't think you even smell a whiff of him on ANY kind of draft board. - - I don't know if he is just thinking of enough is enough and MAYBE try and go over seas's I know that he knows for him to try and declare for the NBA would be suicide right now, - - Me and it's just me one person thinking but I'm just thinking chances are he might look to transfer. Go somewhere new, try and get a fresh start - -I hope not, I would hope he guts it out and tries to come back fresh here next year - -I just don't know. - - ROCK CHAL;K ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54

Unlikely that Bragg transfers. He has the physical attributes the NBA looks for and he just needs to synchronize his mind to his Hudysized body and he is good to go. If he transfers he will have to sit one season so he would be 2 years at the earliest from joining the League...one good season at KU and he is there, plus nowhere he transfer would give him the exposure he gets at KU.

@jayballer54

Yep yep. If he is committed to KU by his SR year and still playing at Hayden you can bet I'll bet at some games. I drive by Hayden all the time when I'm going to shop.
He's not leaving Hayden no time soon

@BShark REALLY? - - - you live in Topeka? -- - looked at him and a couple of other of our 2019 recruits, see where they are sitting. - -Looking pretty solid with Harvey and Robinson-Earl the good ol CB shows us at 100% for both and we all know how rock solid that is lol, but I do feel like we pretty good on both right now. - -The other is Matthew Hurt out of Minnesota, 6'8 ranked # 6 by 247 and # 7 off the ESPN got a pretty substantial lead over Lousiville, N Carol, Minnesota, and Arizona. - -need to check him out more. - -what you think about Hurt, question here is both him and Robinson are Forwards is one going to scare the other away? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54

Just outside Topeka my man.

2019 should be a strong class for KU. Marcedus Leech a 5 star stud from Missouri has an insane ceiling. Very athletic.

@BShark cool. I grew up in Carbondale just south of Topeka live there for like the first 23 yrs of my life -would love to get back out there.. - Hadn't really been up on the Leech kid either, maybe a good year for us. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54

He is really good. I hope we don't get punked by Travis freaking Ford AGAIN. Dude is Self's kryptonite, always beats him for recruits...

@BShark

Ford might be out of a job again. such a great year at St Louis..10-19, 61 points a game. Sounds about right!

Edit: then again I just saw he's got 3 transfers sitting out that will turn things around next season. We need him to tank next year so that Gordon rethinks what he did.

@JayHawkFanToo What if Self remains committed to the 4 out, 1 in we see this season (though personnel-wise it doesn't seem as likely)? Or what if Mr. Preston appears to be a big hurdle to overcome at the 4? Lots of moving parts there.

@HighEliteMajor

I view the entire discussion of 4out-1in and 3out-2in as one of semantics.

In our 4out-1in we have 6'8" Josh at the 4. We could also run a 3out-2in with Dwight at the 4 and he is about the same height. The only real difference is handles at the 4. We can also say that the 4 must have range from trey. But in reality, Josh doesn't completely have range from trey yet.

Billy Preston has very solid handles and a trey for a big man, but he is definitely classified as a post player, not a guard. So do we call it a 4out-1in or a 3out-2in when Billy is at the 4?

I think the key moving forward is to always recruit in at least one big with good handles and potential for trey. If we do that we still have the size to rebound while having most of the advantages of the 4out.

I don't see where we draw the line in the sand on what qualifies as 4out-1in or 3out-2in.

What if Self doesn't want Bragg back?

@Crimsonorblue22

He does. Who would he be replaced with at this stage? KU already has enough open scholarships they are trying to fill to be worried about pushing Bragg out the door imho.

@BeddieKU23 said:

@BShark

Ford might be out of a job again. such a great year at St Louis..10-19, 61 points a game. Sounds about right!

Edit: then again I just saw he's got 3 transfers sitting out that will turn things around next season. We need him to tank next year so that Gordon rethinks what he did.

It's Ford, they will still suck next year. Baffles me that he continues to get recruits? What did he win with Nash and Smart? :sob:

@HighEliteMajor said:

@JayHawkFanToo What if Self remains committed to the 4 out, 1 in we see this season (though personnel-wise it doesn't seem as likely)? Or what if Mr. Preston appears to be a big hurdle to overcome at the 4? Lots of moving parts there.

I think the roster will dictate it. If he has enough good bigs, then we see a return to two true posts on the floor.

Possible Bill Self spring time miracle: Georgetown fires their coach and Tremont Waters is available again.

Jairus Hamilton has officially been offered today.

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@Crimsonorblue22

Eh?

@drgnslayr If we're 3/2, then we'd see the traditional high/low. We've abandoned the high/low. With a true 4/5, I bet it returns.

@HighEliteMajor

Preston and Bragg are both good fits for the 4 in it imo.

@BShark That would be ok, but that wouldn't help us for next season as Waters would have to sit out his transfer year. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@BShark I'm STILL not totally convinced Preston will ever put a KU uniform on. - -Hope I'm wrong. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

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@BShark That would be ok, but that wouldn't help us for next season as Waters would have to sit out his transfer year. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

No. He would be a decommit not a transfer. Like Tyshawn Taylor. Or like Mason and Graham as well actually. :+1:

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@BShark I'm STILL not totally convinced Preston will ever put a KU uniform on. - -Hope I'm wrong. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Don't worry about it. Feel there would be a lot more smoke. I know where he played before, but he can easily put the work in at Oak Hill and make up credits.

@BeddieKU23

Tfwiw but a Duke insider has said that KU is about to be officially OUT for Duval. Down to Duke and Zona and that Duke is ahead "by a mile". On the Duke 247 board.

@HighEliteMajor

Available personnel will dictate how he rolls next season. While the 4-1 has been successful so far, Coach Self has played the 3-2 often enough...and an occasional zone...to surprise opponents.

Bragg was supposed to have a good touch out to the 3 point line and be a potential stretch 4, but I have not seen any of that so far. At this point and absent any big surprises I just don't see Bragg leaving.

@BShark

Saw that. Pressure is on to keep Graham

And a side note on Preston; listening to that last Jerry Meyer podcast Jerry broke it down pretty well on the question about Preston. He said yes there is concern especially from where he went to school before. Oak Hill is the place to go if you want to clean up your academics. He basically made it seem like Oak Hill works miracles and is well versed in figuring out how to help these kids get eligible. Not earth shattering news but he seemed to have some re-assuring information to provide about another kid he knew that was in a similar situation and used Oak Hill to clean up his act. If Preston makes it to campus, we will have Oak Hill to thank

Bragg? I would imagine that the athletic dept. is fully engaged in researching CB's psychological profile, attitude, and off-court activities and inclinations. I think he yet could be a contributor if he can get his head together and in the game. If his behavior is iffy I would send him packing.

@BShark I realize that we really are wishing hard to even think Duval would commit here but - -ALL I'm going to ask on this about is - -just because this so called Duke insider says that KU is about to be officially out, so that makes it Gospel.Because this guy is a know all do all I get it right? lmao, now I'm not trying to give you hell I fully understand - it's more on the Duke insiders part I am ravin about -- what the hell does he know, just because it is on the Duke 247 board which is but nothing but a bunch of Duke homers just like any other board roflmao -- these guys kill me. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@HighEliteMajor

God I hope not.

It will be hard to recruit guards again, and I can't blame them for going elsewhere.

@jayballer54 for the last couple of weeks you've been saying that we all know Duvall is going to Duke. So why ? It now?

@drgnslayr

It's not like high profile guards are lining up right now. A lot of misses in this class. The incoming players for the class as things stand are two transfers and a kid that was 100% to KU if KU wanted due to personal relationships (and to the credit of the staff they took him early). Looks to change in 18 and 19 (we will see) but I tend to believe KU will be generally fine recruiting as long as Self is here.

@Ralph you are absolutely correct - -still think he is, & IF you've been following along you can see that I'm not by myself lol. but I find it funny that because A Duke insider says it so , then it's Gospel - -I NEVER said what I was saying was Gospel - but thanks for noticing, I'm not saying he is coming here not by any means, But then again how does this guy know that KU is out? - I'll continue to say it IS Duke, but hey if you find anything to the contrary be sure and shout out to me. -- All I am pointing out is or wanting to know is - -where is this Duke insider is getting his solid recruiting report - what source - -let us all see it, so we can OFFICALLY count him out, officially say its over for him. - Agaiin I will continue to say like many many others that IS where he is going but we have nothing solid to prove that - so where is this guys solid proof that he is? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY - -you gotta love it

That post sounds more negative than I meant I think. I just don't think Self going back to running some high low will hurt that much.

Anyway, some news: Jerrance will be checking in on Matt Hurt tonight. Good to see we are still recruiting him with some vigor.

@BShark

It is just my opinion, but I think the hi/lo is dead as a standard offense. It is best used as a gimmick or a add-on to something else... or just abandoned all together.

Running 40 minutes of hi/lo will not keep us on the path we are on now. For example, I seriously doubt Josh would have come to Kansas to play the hi/lo.

The last few years we have gone from a hybrid hi/lo to a complete abandonment of it.

It is an offense that needs to move aside for the current times we live in. The current times are around opening up the trey line. Driving the ball in a motion offense and finishing at the rim or feeding for an open trey. That is the future of offense in the NBA and D1.

And where are all of these big men who bring back-to-the-basket skills with them to Kansas?

The 4out-1in still maintains scoring potential in the post, actually better since it is clogged with one less defensive big. Heck, we don't have anyone now that can score with their back to the basket.

I believe the hi/lo did us well back in the days. Now time has moved on, and so must our offensive strategy. It is important to keep the post mostly open so our guards can drive. In our traditional hi/lo we stuffed the post with 4 players, camping in the post. Our 2 bigs and our opponent's 2 bigs. Not exactly good spacing for 3 guards to take it to the rim.

Remember back when we ran true hi/lo. We pretty much limited guards driving to one guard only. And by the end of the year, we just perched 3 guards on the trey line and they threw the ball back and fourth quickly hoping a seam opened up.

We can't pull that kind of stunt now and continue to recruit high recruits (at any position).

@drgnslayr

Can't really disagree. I love the offense as it is currently constructed.

What I was trying to get at earlier is that at this point I feel Self is pretty good at letting the roster dictate the situation. If the roster ends up being Mystery non-elite PG/Newman/Garrett/Vick/Cunliffe as the guards and Bragg/Preston/Coleby/Doke and the 9 guys that get run, I bet we see 3 guards 2 posts the majority of next season. One of the two posts on the floor will likely be pretty skilled though in Preston or Bragg. This assume Bragg gets it together and improves in the off season.

@jayballer54

An exact quote for you re Duval

"He's not going to Baylor. He's not going to Kansas either."

From that Duke writer.

@BShark

Sorry.... I reread my last post and didn't mean to be so snarky. Guess it shows how much I desire us to stay with a motion offense.

@drgnslayr

No worries. It was frustrating to watch the old Self offense when it plodded and clogged.

After experiencing 4 excellent years with Frank... I'm looking for a PG who has a background as a Navy SEAL or Elite Marine. It wouldn't hurt if he was in the French Foreign Legion either.

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Could loop that all day. Sooooo nasty.

@BeddieKU23

I can't claim to know what Devonte has indicated. But I imagine he has declared to testing the waters this spring, as well he should.

Bill's plea is for Devonte if he sits on the fence after checking out his options. I'm certain if he does test the waters he will have some temptation to go. That doesn't mean he goes.

@BeddieKU23

Poster on the phog says KU has called Hutch CC about Shakar Juiston. Could you imagine the cyclone salt if we come in and swoop him away?

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Could loop that all day. Sooooo nasty.

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Hurt dropped 47 tonight with KU watching. :+1:

@BShark His play reminds me of Brannen Green

@truehawk93 no D?

@Crimsonorblue22 He is a little heavy on O and didn't see much D in this vid

@truehawk93

Referring to Hurt?

@BShark

Interesting, they would be salty as well as Seton Hall and others that have been in on him longer. He's skilled, can score on the block and rebound. Small though, Jamari's size..

@BShark

Hurt is a good one. The Big-10 will be tough to beat for him but at least KU has really put in the leg work early.

@BShark

Well looks like the Grimes to reclassify thing is dead..

I've got a friend that knows his AAU coach pretty well. I asked about reclassification and the response was "no chance".

@BeddieKU23

As usual Shay is clueless. Saw that post from Ryan as well. Also said Hamilton isn't leaving NC.

@BeddieKU23 said:

@BShark

Hurt is a good one. The Big-10 will be tough to beat for him but at least KU has really put in the leg work early.

Well, we have done work in Minnesota before. :relaxed:

@BeddieKU23 said:

@BShark

Interesting, they would be salty as well as Seton Hall and others that have been in on him longer. He's skilled, can score on the block and rebound. Small though, Jamari's size..

I honestly think it would be a bad decision for the kid. KU likely has 5 post players already on the roster, whereas ISU has a black hole void for post minutes.

Self is going down to Hutch today. Guess we will find out how serious KU's interest is pretty quickly.

I've heard though, that Self really likes athletic 6'7'' power forwards. Heard he will play them over 5 stars.... Just a rumour though. :smirk:

@BShark

I'd take him if he looks at the KU offer seriously.

With Hamilton, I don't know how anyone can claim that will be the case this early. His coach is a die-hard KU fan and he'll run for a team that Frank Mason was on. I do think our chances with him are much better then being adverstised

@BeddieKU23

KU also had no chance at Doke according to Ryan soooooooo. And I get it, things change and he is just passing on info. But that's the point, things change. KU can at the very least offer and position themselves to be involved.

@BShark

Exactly, our KU insiders have been wrong way too much lately to take much from them in their claims. The Grimes stuff I can believe

@BShark

I recall our "failure" to land Doke. I was never convinced and felt we had him all along.

But to be fair to the recruit people, sometimes players do change their minds at the last second.

@drgnslayr

The thing about Doke is FSU essentially BROUGHT HIM OVER FROM AFRICA with the help of Nike iirc. So it was believed that he would show loyalty to if not FSU then at least Nike on some level. Getting him was pretty impressive, but of course Norm was the lead assistant on Doke. Never doubt Norm.

No doubt Cal is already working on spinning this. He wouldn't have been injured if he picked UK. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Speaking of Norm I believe he is running point on 7 foot BEAST Moses Brown.

@BShark

Would not get that excited but Norm is a great recruiter so we'll see

@BeddieKU23

I think we know Grimes and Dotson are priority targets (hell Dotson visited KU this year, his jr year) but outside of those two, I think it's a waiting game to see who KU is really in on.

@BShark

Agreed!

I will add I think we've seen enough of how KU recruits lately that we will chase some guys we probably have no point in chasing (Zion etc) because they are elites of their positions etc. It seems like we could be possibly all over the place recruiting bigs besides maybe the one known in Williams. Will be interesting to see if they shadow Gordon at all. I don't know a tremendous amount about the 18 class outside the top kids we've mentioned already.

@BShark

Sounds like some people have seen Juiston play and are impressed with him. The constant things I see being posted about him, High-Level rebounder, not a jump shooter, high character kid, good vision and can lead the fast break. Video seems to support all that as well

@BeddieKU23

Sounds like a Bill Self dream. I found a couple twitter accounts that tweet about Hutch CC games. One tweet said a player for an opposing team was daring him to shoot wide open from 15 feet, so I'd guess his range is less than that.

@BeddieKU23 said:

@BShark

Agreed!

I will add I think we've seen enough of how KU recruits lately that we will chase some guys we probably have no point in chasing (Zion etc) because they are elites of their positions etc. It seems like we could be possibly all over the place recruiting bigs besides maybe the one known in Williams. Will be interesting to see if they shadow Gordon at all. I don't know a tremendous amount about the 18 class outside the top kids we've mentioned already.

Sadly I agree.

@BeddieKU23 and.... he has a story

@Crimsonorblue22

Pays tribute to his brother who was senselessly shot and killed after every made bucket. Would love to see Juiston end up at KU. Extremely high character.

@BShark ku fans would love him

@BShark

ISU fans already getting upset. Some do have a point though that KU might be trying to recruit him too late if he's a high character kid and values relationships. Others are just getting butt hurt over KU finally noticing his talent.

@BeddieKU23

On the other hand he hasn't committed yet despite having good offers. Might have been waiting for a big time program. I can understand why they are mad though, it sucks getting punked on a recruitment if that ends up happening.

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Interesting to me that Self wants the kid from HCC with Doke, Bragg, Lightfoot and Coleby returning I'm not sure he gets a ton of minutes.

@kjayhawks should have gone to a game!

KU will be going back out to see Juiston in game action. Soon.

@kjayhawks said:

Interesting to me that Self wants the kid from HCC with Doke, Bragg, Lightfoot and Coleby returning I'm not sure he gets a ton of minutes.

Not to mention probably Preston as well. However he's probably better than Coleby and Mitch. Mitch pretty clearly wasn't ready for post banging in the B12. It honestly wouldn't kill Mitch to take a RS next year (provided he is okay with it). From what I understand he is being potentially recruited to be the 4th post player most likely next year. In any case he is an interesting player that offers abilities that our other post players don't really have as much. He is a very good passer and ball handler. A nice Baylor zone killer in the high post.

Total minutes next year probably wouldn't be high though like you say. The year after though, the post looks to be likely pretty barren so it would be a nice situation to have a SR w/ a year in the program going into 2018-19.

@BShark good rebounder!

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@BShark

I hope we land him, high character kids don't grow on tree's. This team is losing a lot of leaders and experience. Who's going to lead the post guys night in and night out? I don't see any natural leaders on this team if Devonte leaves. Surprising KU was this late to the party, Shakur has been known for a while but maybe the timing will be just right to hopefully get him on the team.

@Crimsonorblue22 ya, just read the article. - -Sounds like pretty good rebounder, - -looking at pic looks like pretty cut, great build, scores rebounds. - -we could use additional guy who could score some for us at the 5, make defenses respect us even a little more, both inside and out. - - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Self also watched De'Quon Lake last night. Lake visited Iowa St this week for their Senior Night.

@BeddieKU23 said:

Self also watched De'Quon Lake last night. Lake visited Iowa St this week for their Senior Night.

He sure got around yesterday.

@BeddieKU23 said:

@BShark

I hope we land him, high character kids don't grow on tree's. This team is losing a lot of leaders and experience. Who's going to lead the post guys night in and night out? I don't see any natural leaders on this team if Devonte leaves. Surprising KU was this late to the party, Shakur has been known for a while but maybe the timing will be just right to hopefully get him on the team.

Could be a really key piece for the team after next year.

ISU running down the Hutch today. Things are heating up.

@BShark I hope we get him, mainly because Self wants him for a reason.

Andre Rafus to TCU provided they can get him to campus. Though it is TCU, so maybe they just get him there anyway and give him the old Jamari/Ben style academic red shirt.

Despite listing KU, KU never offered. However it's still a commitment for the B12, so I figured I'd post it.

@BShark

Stretch 4 with some size.. 4 of the 5 recruits Dixon has coming in are PF/C's

@BeddieKU23

I was worried for a second that KU might get interested but once Self was scouring JUCOs, that fear subsided.

@BShark

I wonder if KU would have been interested had his grades been in order or whatever it is that has kept teams away. All the film I've seen of him looked pretty good, hes got great size for a stretch 4 and can really shoot the 3. I don't think he was an immediate contributor but we could have gone after much worse IMO. I have a feeling a few years from now he'll be playing KU and have a game against us where we ask ourselves why we never returned the interest..

@BShark @mayjay

That guy named Jeff on ESPN reporting something on Zion...

Jeff Goodman said "sources" tell him Duke, KU, South Carolina in the lead for Zion. With UK in there also.

@BeddieKU23

Not gonna let myself get worked up about Zion. If he ends up in Lawrence for a year, then I'll have a party. Have we beat Duke head to head for a recruit in recent memory? Duke wants Zion big time.

@BeddieKU23 said:

@BShark

I wonder if KU would have been interested had his grades been in order or whatever it is that has kept teams away. All the film I've seen of him looked pretty good, hes got great size for a stretch 4 and can really shoot the 3. I don't think he was an immediate contributor but we could have gone after much worse IMO. I have a feeling a few years from now he'll be playing KU and have a game against us where we ask ourselves why we never returned the interest..

Grades were probably part of it. He might even be a bigger risk than Preston (and with much less talent).

@BShark

Zion is a beast. It would be great to have him at KU; Duke has the snobbery factor going for them and Kentucky the NBA pipeline but we have beaten UK before. I am not sure if KU has gone after the same prospects although Duval would certainly be one.

@JayHawkFanToo

Recently against UK: Oubre, Bragg and Vick. Can't recall if they offered Cheick or not.

@BShark

Diallo, Udoka, Wiggins...

Seems like Bill has won his fair share against U.K., Duke less so.

@JayHawkFanToo Zion plays for adidas

@JayHawkFanToo

UK wasn't really in it for Doke. We did beat FSU (who brought him over) and Roy though. I totally spaced on Wiggs though, Cal wanted him bad.

@BShark

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@JayHawkFanToo

What ESPN doesn't know could fill a library. Example: they mentioned that KU could clinch the outright Big12 title today...

I'm all for beating Cal heads up and Self has done it a bit lately. However the truth is important. You can't trust what ESPN and Rivals list for interest and offers. KU did not beat UK for Doke's services. UK saw him a couple times as a JR, he never visited and UK signed two post commitments before he announced. It was a UNC/FSU/KU decision.

@BShark

My point was that U.K. offered the same as KU and he ended up with the good guys. I'll take it...🍾

Miege beat Eudora tonight. Congrats to JRE, who guarded Mitch Ballock most of the night.

Not too often there is a Kansas HS hoops game with multiple D1 players, so pretty cool.

@BShark how did they do? I listened to Mac vs Buhler. Mac will probably play bm

@Crimsonorblue22

Can't find a box score yet. Ballock had 17, but JRE really made him work for it. Eudora turned the game into a slog. Think UNI.

@BShark @Crimsonorblue22 BM is far and away the best highschool team in the state this year. They came in to Mac and destroyed them, which seldom happens.

@kjayhawks killed Buhler in state fb too

I ran across this article concerning Marcus Garrett. The fact he has played in a very deliberate offensive system bodes well for his near term future at KU, imho:

Skyline was able to set the pace in a 33-29 victory against Klein Forest, and it paid off as the Raiders booked a trip to the UIL Class 6A state tournament at the Alamodome next week in San Antonio.
No. 3-ranked Skyline (34-1) and top-ranked and previously undefeated Klein Forest (34-1) entered Saturday's 6A Region II title game with conflicting styles.
During its 34-game unbeaten streak, Klein Forest ran teams out of the gym. The Golden Eagles push the pace, are up and running after a change of possession, and rarely does a possession last longer than 15 seconds without a shot. Entering Saturday, Klein Forest was averaging 64 points per game and the season-low scoring output was 57.
Skyline turns stalling into an art form. Each possession is slowly walked up the floor, and point guard Marcus Garrett conducts an offense where the Raiders work the ball upward of two minutes before taking a shot. It visibly frustrated Klein Forest, which had won 30 of its 34 games by double digits.
"The game plan was not to let them get up and down," Garrett said. "We knew if we went up and down with them they might beat us. So we knew we were going to slow it down, and that got to them."
It was most obvious in the game's final minute, when Skyline broke a 29-29 tie.
After forcing a turnover with 56.8 seconds remaining, Skyline held possession for 40 seconds before calling a timeout with 18 seconds remaining. After an inbounds pass to Garrett, who was double-teamed, Jase Townsend got open and scored the game-winning basket with 8.4 seconds left on the clock.
"I knew I had to make a play," Townsend said. "I hadn't been shooting well, so it was time to make a play."
Klein Forest panicked on the inbounds pass, turned the ball over, and Sammy Brooks added an insurance layup right before the buzzer.
Garrett finished with a game-high 13 points, and Townsend added 11 for Skyline. Cedrick Alley led Klein Forest with 12 points.
WATCH final 18 seconds as Jase Townsend layup gives Skyline the lead, Sammy Brooks follow shot ices 33-29 win vs Klein Forest @SportsDayHS pic.twitter.com/E9EDvVF2eV
— Greg Riddle (@DMNGregRiddle) March 4, 2017

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BM is far and away the best highschool team in the state this year. They came in to Mac and destroyed them, which seldom happens.

It will be exciting to see JRE go from one blue and red uniform to another. :satisfied:

@KUSTEVE

Kid is almost averaging a triple double in the highest classification in Texas. He will be very good for KU in time.

Some other fun things about Garrett: he will be 19 by the time he plays a game for KU, always a plus. Loves playing hard and playing defense. Not a whiner. Oh and I almost forgot, he beat Trae Young head to head.

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Heard we offered the the hutch Juco kid today. He had a dble dble.

@Crimsonorblue22

Was coming to post about this. KU was at his game last night.

ISU target: http://247sports.com/player/raynere-thornton-46035881 ↗

Looks like a good player from what little info I can find.

Another interesting JUCO: Ivan Aurrecoechea

A true post player like Lake. Seems like Self is definitely looking for a capable back-up C behind Doke. Not sure this kid is on the radar, but could be if Self wants Lake and Lake ends up elsewhere.

@BShark

I think Lake ends up at ISU. He was there for their Senior Night and sat with the 2 kids sitting out this year that are posts.

@BeddieKU23

Wouldn't mind that. Juiston is the far more interesting prospect. Lake just seems....tall?

@BShark

Agreed. Haven't seen Lake much this year but Juiston is a being regarded as a much better prospect. If Juiston was 6'9-6'10 he might be the most sought after JUCO out there.

Offering is huge in terms of our interest and maybe his intentions on where he would like to play

@BShark

Looked at some Juco stats. Juiston is 38th in the nation in FG %, 2nd in defensive rebounds, 9th overall in rebounds per game, 25th in blocks. 116th in assists as a big averaging 3.9 a game. Unselish player..

@BeddieKU23

Stats line up with what you hear/read. I think he would definitely find some pt next year and is a nice piece to have especially against zone defenses.

Look for Juiston to visit KU.

@BShark Is it pronounce Justin or Juice ton?

@dylans

Houston I believe.

@BShark Hispanic?

@dylans

I've heard different pronunciations. I'm sure we will find out for sure if he signs with KU as I would think that's something they would put in the press release.

“He’s not like most of the kids today who need to put up their recruiting status on their social media,” said Playaz director Jimmy Salmon. “He’s old school, he just takes care of business. When he’s ready to announce, he will. He’s not interested in giving everybody a play-by-play.”

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Sounded like they said juice ton on the news. Still mad I didn't watch him play! Maybe nationals.

@Crimsonorblue22

To be fair he wasn't a KU target at all until recently. You could not have known.

@BShark Can he shoot a 3?

@Kcmatt7

Non-shooter. Range goes to about 12 feet. High BBIQ and gritty player.

@BShark To be honest, not sure how interested I am in a 6'7 post player with no outside game... He rebounded well at the JUCO level, but this is a big step up... I guess he could be a nice piece to have as far as defensive versatility. But that is about it.

@BShark they are in my back yard-not exactly. We use to go to all the juco games. Fun times.

lOL, couldn't you just see it. - - We end up signing Shakur man the lil Cyclone paranoia would for sure be flying right? - -They have been recruiting him , then he ends up signing here OMG - -they would be so upset lmao. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@Kcmatt7

That's a fair point. I think he does enough positive things to merit a scholarship. He is a plus passer for his position and a good scorer. Of course, Self LOVES kids like Juiston (hard worker, doesn't whine, rebounds hard etc...), so it's no surprise to me that things have accelerated this quickly.

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lOL, couldn't you just see it. - - We end up signing Shakur man the lil Cyclone paranoia would for sure be flying right? - -They have been recruiting him , then he ends up signing here OMG - -they would be so upset lmao. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

It would be tough for them. They have been selling him on starter minutes at ISU.

@BShark Yea he has Self written all over him... I just have to think a graduate transfer would be a better fit if we were just patient and waited out the rest of the season. He hasn't been offered yet has he?

@Kcmatt7

He was offered last night. Norm went to his last game I believe.

@Kcmatt7

as @BShark said he does a lot of things that make up for the lack of a 3 point shot. Think junkyard dog with some ability to not only score and rebound but find open teammates. If we are returning Bragg and Doke and adding Preston we need someone who can do the dirty work like Lucas has provided. He IMO from tape plays bigger than 6'7 because he plays with a great motor and has + athleticism to make a difference on defense. I think he's exactly the type of player you need on a team that will be losing a lot of its identity

Men’s coach Steve Eck was named coach of the year in the Kansas Jayhawk Community College Conference. The highly touted and recruited forward Shakur Juiston was named the league’s MVP.

Billy Tyg Preston with Trevon Duval.

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RockChalk

@Statmachine Whats that from?

@Kcmatt7 You said, "To be honest, not sure how interested I am in a 6’7 post player with no outside game ... "

Jamari Traylor will be waiting outside your door to discuss, and he ain't happy.

@HighEliteMajor Haha let's just say that there is only room in my heart for one 6'7 post with an ugly jumper.

On another note, the European game has been good to Jamari. Putting up good numbers and overwhelming people with athleticism it seems.

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Billy Tyg Preston with Trevon Duval.

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What?

@Statmachine Is that secret information?

@KUSTEVE Must be encrypted.

Poster on the Phog (usually reliable) says DG is PLANNING to come back, might not even test the waters. Recent development. :pray:

@Kcmatt7 said:

@HighEliteMajor Haha let's just say that there is only room in my heart for one 6'7 post with an ugly jumper.

On another note, the European game has been good to Jamari. Putting up good numbers and overwhelming people with athleticism it seems.

Glad to hear it.

@BeddieKU23

Think Self can win games with DG/Newman/Vick/Preston/Doke with a bench of Bragg/Garrett/Cunliffe? :smiling_imp:

@mayjay Was it the Ruskies, or the CIA pretending they were the Ruskies????? Are we in jeopardy if we disseminate the information?

@KUSTEVE It was the gol-durn Rooskies.

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@mayjay Well, you probably know this already, but I'm a double knot spy.

@BShark

Certainly, I think there will be growing pains early if that was the lineup but its got crazy potential. We have to see what Svi does too as I imagine the NBA has seen his recent slump..

A good March for either changes things though.

Anyone catch Juiston's game last night? There was a live stream I forgot to post.

Pretty good stat line 24 pts 12 boards a few assists. His team won by 2 in an up and down game 105-103.
I really hope this kid goes to KU, I think he can play here, this isn't a practice player.

Some things I noticed, His anticipation for rebounds is uncanny really. Has some ability to drive and finish and is something I believe translates up. Has some floor vision, always looking for an outlet pass. Looked to have pretty good handles for his size which is beneficial. Only jump-shot he took he missed, not his strength. His footwork is a +, I imagine the coaches are really intrigued how agile he is.
He could benefit from D-1 coaching on fundamentals such as boxing out and awareness on offense outside of the paint. Everything you hear is he is a great teammate, never complains about calls, always looking to his coach. He is an effort guy, someone that can get 50/50 balls, make a hustle play. He's physically ready to play, built upper body. Impressive kid for the JUCO level. I can see why we have offered. Not a kid we want going to Iowa St

@Kcmatt7 Preston just messaged Duval on FB "RockChalk" and posted a pic of the two of them at late night. IDK if there is something going on but I am passing on the info...

@KUSTEVE I had to look it up, but I got it!

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@Statmachine Billy, Duval, and who is the third guy?

@dylans

Ferguson who once was considered a KU lock, ended up at Zona to be ruled in-eligible and went packing to Australia. Will be in the NBA draft this year

@BeddieKU23 Thanks. I remember the name, but his face I didn't know.

If Ferguson would have qualified he very likely would have played at KU. He had a heated conversation with a KU assistant which led to him committing to Bama in a huff. Clearly he didn't really want to go to Bama. By the time he decommitted KU had moved on to focusing on Josh.

Also don't believe anything to the contrary, TFerg isn't playing college ball because he did not qualify.

@BShark That worked out well, but what is an assistant getting into an argument with a recruit about anyways? Let alone near signing time. Shouldn't that be the honeymoon period?

@dylans

I don't really want to mention what assistant it was, though I think that can be deduced.

Possible Shakur visits next week.

@BShark how could that be deduced? I'm missing something?

@Crimsonorblue22 Sounds like you need a double knot spy.

@BShark

Won't we be away? doesn't make sense timing wise

@BShark

are you insinuating its the assistant KU fans often say is the weakest link?

Ferguson had a known handler in his camp and that was also apart of the fiasco.

The kid didn't even try at academics. I had read from an Zona board that hypothetically if Ferguson had been ruled a partial qualifier and sat out that it was going to be unlikely he would have been academically eligible after his freshman year. That's how much of a hole T Ferg put himself in academically

@BeddieKU23 said:

@BShark

Won't we be away? doesn't make sense timing wise

It would have to be early in the week.

@BeddieKU23 said:

@BShark

are you insinuating its the assistant KU fans often say is the weakest link?

Ferguson had a known handler in his camp and that was also apart of the fiasco.

The kid didn't even try at academics. I had read from an Zona board that hypothetically if Ferguson had been ruled a partial qualifier and sat out that it was going to be unlikely he would have been academically eligible after his freshman year. That's how much of a hole T Ferg put himself in academically

Well as you know every recruit has a lead assistant. One they are in contact with.

And yeah he had no shot academically which is why he is in Australia.

@BShark dropped his stock too

@Crimsonorblue22

Most Mocks still have him in the 1st round but yeah he could have really used the exposure in America. Kid can flat out shoot and defend.

@BShark

I seem to remember that both Alabama & Zona tried hard to lobby for his eligibility and both schools play in conferences where partial qualifiers are not allowed? Given that information was spread around talking about how bad his academics really were its amazing they even had anything to appeal about. Not a Diallo case where KU knew the kid was being hosed.

@BeddieKU23

Not sure on Pac or SEC partial qualifier rules tbh. It says a lot that he couldn't even sit out a year and be eligible though, so he made the right decision in that regard.

@Crimsonorblue22

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I don't really care who got in the argument. More I'd like to know what it was about. Eligibility? Work ethic? Dissing his momma? And I'm likely to never know.

@dylans kinda weird!

@JayHawkFanToo SO WAS IT THE FIRST HIGHLIGHTED ONE?

@Crimsonorblue22 TFerg did get to make a lot of money this year though and he fell right about where he would have I think. Seems like he made the right choice for himself.

@Crimsonorblue22

Bill Self isn't an assistant. :wink:

@Kcmatt7 said:

@Crimsonorblue22 TFerg did get to make a lot of money this year though and he fell right about where he would have I think. Seems like he made the right choice for himself.

Way better than sitting for TWO years not playing.

@Crimsonorblue22

I don't know, I was simply showing who was recruiting him but I seriously doubt Coach Self would get in an argument with a prospect or a prospect with him.

@JayHawkFanToo GOT IT😳

Well I just got through listening to the for quarters broadcast of Zags blog and I'm not EVEN trying to build up anything really, but yet find it at least a little interesting concerning Trevon Duval:

They was talking about his recruitment and talking about how he was being really smart, cause he had gotten to see some really high profile games, how he had Visited Ku , Arizona , and Duke. - Was talking about how Seton Hall was still trying to get him for a visit. - But he had gotten to see the big time atmosphere during his profile games at KU and Arizona.

They talked about how everybody just seemed to believe that it was a given that all the twitter and such and other places saying Duke , Duke , But like they said given the Fact of Duke being such an elite program with their Coach that if he had decided and was all in on Duke - -then why didn't he just go ahead and announce for Duke?

They which was of these guys was Evan Daniel from scout , said that Trevon was taking these visits and thought it would make it easier to make his decision- - But actually taking these visits has made it a lot harder trying to decide where to commit. - - They said fully feel, think it's Ariz , Ku , & Duke. - -saying they have NO GUT feel at all where he is leaning, they said they will say this that KU still in the picture as Norm has been out to see him again at IMG. - -not trying to read anything into this, but maybe not quite over yet. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 can he drive?🚙

@Crimsonorblue22 He can do it all, he is the one point guard they said is NBA ready for sure right now, the best point guard in this class. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Juiston had 16 points 16 rebounds 4 assists, 2 steals in Hutch's OT loss last night. He was double teamed a lot, sometimes it seems 3 or 4 guys on him.

Someone who does play by play for Hutch has this to say about Shakur

I would say that Juiston is a decent shooter out to 12-14 feet but rarely shoots from distance because he is exceptional at driving to the basket and finishing. He hits a very high percentage on shots around the basket. He is a tremendous leaper who plays MUCH taller than his 6-7. He is unselfish and a good passer (4 assists/gm). He also averages 2 blocks per outing.

@Crimsonorblue22 said:

@jayballer54 can he drive?🚙

@jayballer54 said:

@Crimsonorblue22 He can do it all, he is the one point guard they said is NBA ready for sure right now, the best point guard in this class. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Yeah he's a great player, but I wouldn't get too excited about him since his year of service won't be in crimson and blue.

@BeddieKU23 said:

Juiston had 16 points 16 rebounds 4 assists, 2 steals in Hutch's OT loss last night. He was double teamed a lot, sometimes it seems 3 or 4 guys on him.

Someone who does play by play for Hutch has this to say about Shakur

I would say that Juiston is a decent shooter out to 12-14 feet but rarely shoots from distance because he is exceptional at driving to the basket and finishing. He hits a very high percentage on shots around the basket. He is a tremendous leaper who plays MUCH taller than his 6-7. He is unselfish and a good passer (4 assists/gm). He also averages 2 blocks per outing.

I hope we can pry him away from ISU.

@Crimsonorblue22 said:

@jayballer54 can he drive?🚙

I think next year we might have better public relations if we have fewer kids who drive, and who altogether avoid parking areas.

@BShark ya I know, I know, you know he is Duke, all this other chitter chatter just makes conversation and a little never say die small talk you knw lol. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Markese Jacobs' older brother decommitted from SIU today.

@BShark So is he someone that could help us? Size? Handles? Shooter?

@Big-Clyde52

I don't think he is particularly a KU level guy. The scuttlebutt is he will do a prep year. Regardless of if he stays in 17 or goes to 18 he wouldn't be the worst end of the bench option (if he is willing) so that he could hang out with his brother.

Oh and if it secures Markese you take him every time imo.

Groce fired.

Waters asks for his release from Georgetown LOI before anything actually happens with JT3.

TIME FOR SOME BILL SELF SPRING TIME MIRACLES.

@BShark Let's see is that the Tremont Waters kid? - -We were recruiting him right? and I think we were one of his schools he was considering right? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

OK, just answered my own question. - - Tremont before his LOI his schools that were in the hunt were U-Conn - - -Duke - - -Indiana - - KU -- -UK - - -& Yale.

Well if were to happen I think they Kentucky would not be there for sure anymore - - More then likely Duke would be out for sure because of Duval. - -So that then would leave U Conn - - Indiana - - KU - -& Yale, could be interesting I really would not be that concerned about Indiana I think for him, - -if anything I think it would then come down between KU & U- Conn - -but 1st has to get released, but I think for the most part schools usually grant kids their request if that's what they want and not hold them against their will - -we shall see. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 T Waters? Yes. KU, Puke, Indiana and Kensucky.

@BShark go over waters again, please. Thx

@Crimsonorblue22 http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18886342/four-star-point-guard-tremont-waters-requests-release-georgetown ↗

@brooksmd YA thanks for that, appreciated. - -I pull up zags blog and seen that. - -Who knows maybe a late Christmas gift -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

I tell you what there is a 6'7 kid from McPherson that is junior this year, that I've watched play a few times named Ben Pyle that looks better than Perry Ellis did in highschool​. We need to give him a look I think.

@kjayhawks ewww

@brooksmd I should've gaggled it? Was waiting for that🤣

@Crimsonorblue22 McPherson is gold standard in highschool basketball, ik in hutch you probably don't​ like them but their coach does the best with way less talent. Made 21 of the last 25 state tournaments.

@brooksmd that wasn't much info🤔 5'10" bet he's no BIFM I like how that's automatically capitalized

@kjayhawks they just lost to Miege is BOl BOl on that team?

@cragarhawk no! He's in ca.

@Crimsonorblue22 since when?

@cragarhawk all season I believe

@Crimsonorblue22 really... I didn't know. Went to a prep academy I assume? Senior this year? Are we not recruiting him?

@cragarhawk I don't think so, but they have Lester Earl's kid. I watched some it on the web and that Pyle kid put up 25 vs guys getting D1 offers. Mac had their chances BM is just too big and athletic.

@cragarhawk Zyck said that Bol has not contacted him to explain the transfer, and that he doesn’t know where Bol will go next. 247Sports reported Tuesday that Bol is expected to play for Mater Dei High School in Santa Ana, Calif.

Jr this year

@jayballer54

He visited for late night.

@brooksmd said:

@jayballer54 T Waters? Yes. KU, Puke, Indiana and Kensucky.

Don't think UK or Duke will be in play the second time around since they have or are about to land their PG(s).

@Crimsonorblue22 said:

@BShark go over waters again, please. Thx

Not truly elite but a multi-year guy that is WAY better than the other realistic options for KU at this pt. Taking him might hurt chances with 2018 pgs, but a bird in the hand...

@kjayhawks said:

I tell you what there is a 6'7 kid from McPherson that is junior this year, that I've watched play a few times named Ben Pyle that looks better than Perry Ellis did in highschool​. We need to give him a look I think.

Not sure he is a D1 recruit.

@cragarhawk said:

@Crimsonorblue22 really... I didn't know. Went to a prep academy I assume? Senior this year? Are we not recruiting him?

He wanted the hell out of Kansas.

@kjayhawks said:

@cragarhawk I don't think so, but they have Lester Earl's kid. I watched some it on the web and that Pyle kid put up 25 vs guys getting D1 offers. Mac had their chances BM is just too big and athletic.

JRE on the other hand is a legacy and the kind of player Self really likes.

Arizona likely to be involved with Waters this time around. Welp just go ahead and scratch him off the list.

@BShark I think Pyle could be a Travis Releford type of guy. Watch Lightfoot and Ellis's highschool tapes. Then watch him and tell me he ain't just as good or better. Honestly I think he's as good as Lightfoot at this time.

@cragarhawk https://t.co/Eu2F45XBIv ↗

@kjayhawks said:

@BShark I think Pyle could be a Travis Releford type of guy. Watch Lightfoot and Ellis's highschool tapes. Then watch him and tell me he ain't just as good or better. Honestly I think he's as good as Lightfoot at this time.

Perry was a top 40 player and a McDAA, this kid doesn't have anything beyond a hudl/maxpreps account. You could end up being right, I'll definitely go over his hudl when I have the time.

Do we know if he even likes KU fwiw? He's from hayseed/POWERTUCK territory like Dean Wade...

@BShark if you r talking to d-1 I wondered about fellow Mac player-coach underwood?

@BShark def KSU territory, and it hard to gauge how good the teams are that he plays against but I think he could be a good get for a 4 guy. Guys like Morningstar, Reed, Trelly guys from Kansas that weren't really highly recruited by ended up being good players for us.

@kjayhawks didn't kinnamons kid go to ksu and then transfer to ???? Washburn? Not sure where

@kjayhawks

From what I understand Wade would have picked KSU even if KU offered.

Also yeah Self has definitely had success with skilled but not super athletic KS players like Reed and Brady. Probably kids that Self doesn't even take if they aren't from KS given Self's desire to go for athleticism over basketball skills.

I didn't mention Releford because he was a top 50 kid like Ellis. It's been so long that I don't exactly remember his other offers. He popped for KU early but lots of other schools were interested including a few big time programs iirc.

Rele and Russ Rob are on the same team in Poland now which is pretty cool.

@BShark I heard wades relatives were all KU fans

@Crimsonorblue22 The Kinnamon kid on KSU's roster is from MACs coaches brother, his kid goes to Pitt sate or FHSU I cant remember. KSU is heavy in Mac, but I know Kinnamon goes to Bill Selfs coaching seminars.

@kjayhawks that would be the St. John coach.

@Crimsonorblue22 correct

Did u hear about this game? Made national news

http://usatodayhss.com/2017/video-shot-from-30-feet-ends-kansas-state-semifinal-in-6-ots ↗

@BShark Tilmon better end up in Lawrence now. He should be priotity #1. And Waters #2. Then any of the other leftovers from IU and UW when Romar inevitably ends up at Mizzou. Did Crean land anyone at Indiana?

Tilmon will go wherever the assistant coach from Illinois goes. Whoever gets hired at Illinois will think hard about keeping that guy just to keep Tilmon. That seems to be what has held the Illinois/Tilmon marriage together. Unless Tilmon breaks free from that assistant it doesn't sound promising

@BeddieKU23

Yeah I don't think he will. Lots of people want Tilmon but I don't think it's realistic.

Huh, ya I'll go ahead and say up front - -not really trying to read anything in this - just thought it was interesting and WHY? - - So don't think I'm trying to imply anything just passing casual conversation more then anything. - -But still brings up a question Why?

Just receives a prediction for Ku on Truval - -It's been a pretty much fore gone conclusion he is on his way to Duke - -so why would this guy give a prediction to KU? - -The Guy is Dylan Prezkop is how made the predict. just thoughts in my head - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 who said it was a foregone conclusion he's on his way to Duke. The recruits that are still around are looking for their best situation. I really don't know why any top recruit would sign a LOI until they know who's coming back.

@Ralph WELL not really sure where you may have been, pretty common been known or reported that Duke is clear cut leader for him to commit - -he has come out and said how much he has enjoyed his visits to duke more then one - doesn't really take a rocket scientist to figure that out. - -widely known Duval is duke's top target - that was also written on today - they were talking about how Waters had Duke on his list until he committed to G-town but Duke has Duval as their top target. - -Hell he isn't allowed to sign no LOI right now has to wait, so do to popular knowledge umm ya it has been a pretty foregone conclusion he is a heavy Duke lean - If you have been following here - -pretty much the same fore gone conclusion people feeling the same way. - -Duke has made it perfectly clear they are in need of a point guard next year - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 we'll see, I don’t know if he would qualify to play anywhere but overseas.

@jayballer54 when I said I really don’t know why any top recruit would sign a LOI until they know who’s coming back. I wasn't talking about just Duvall I was talking about all top recruits. I understand making a verbal commit but why sign a LOI before the draft deadline to pull your name. Look at Waters, GT doesn't have to release him from his LOI.

I could really care less what you have read on zagablog or 247 about the clear cut leader. What did they say about Ayton.

@Ralph DAM DUDE. why the attitude? - -lmao nice - -really nice hell you wanna go that route then we can do that - -I could give a rats as what YOU think OR feel how's that? - - I could care less about what you think now what? - -HAVE A GREAT DAY. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Almost nobody knew about Ayton. Sean Miller was doing work completely in the dark. Most recruitments are not that way and available info is pretty good.

@jayballer54 I said I could careless about what you read, not what you think or how you feel. Zagsblog, 247, espn right now the only people that know what Duvall is going to do is him. What they write is speculation.

@Ralph Exactly. That's why I don't get all worked up over it. It's nice to know who KU is recruiting, but until the LOI is signed, recruiting is just another crap shoot like the Dance. I think the majority or the recruits who come to KU for Midnite Madness always say it's crazy and would be a great place to play. But most are looking at where will I be the big dog from day one.

Scott says don't expect KU to get Waters.

@brooksmd

I agree. Remember the 70s and 80s when boxing was huge? Every decent athlete was going to be the next Ali or Sugar Ray and only a handful succeeded and then it was football and all wanted to be the next Jim Brown or OJ Simpson. Likewise with current athletes, every top 100 HS players considers himself a OAD and most of the top 10 believe they are the next Jordan or Bird or Magic or Curry and none of them are or will be...unless you are Lonzo Ball and your father claims your are now better than all of them combined...:smiley:

Lavar Ball believes he would have killed Jordan one-on-one ↗, this is the player that averaged 2.2 ppg in his one year in college while Jordan was averaging 35 ppg in the NBA...yes, Jordan would have died...while rolling on the floor laughing his arse off. Now he wants to sell his BBB sports apparel brand, that so far sells piece meal from a web site, and the price is 1 Billion dollars for the rights to the 3 kids, except he could not sign a contract until the youngest is out of college which I believe is in 2020; this is just laughable and setting his kids for ridicule.

Ball is a crazy dude.

@BShark

Crazy does not begin to describe him...even Charles Barkley thinks ↗ he has crossed into stupid territory.

Just read that Shakur, Juiston -who averages 16.5 ppg- - - 11.7 rpg -& 1.9 blocks that we have talked about has listed NINE schools at this point. - -Says he doesn't or won't listen to others, BUT these nine are his top right now.

Rutgers , St Joe's , VCU , U Conn , KU , Iowa State , UNLV , Rhode Island & Oklahoma. - - so that's where that's at right now - -I guess they starting to play in tourney this week. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Ok, so looking for some help. - - What's the scoop on this kid - -Emmit Williams? - -Guess he is Trevon's teammate . - -Just heard some others talking about him - guess he has like a kick ass attitude - -kick butt now, take names later, - people saying they would to have a kid like this. - -Must be some kind of interior player, I know zero on him - -people saying probably going to be hard to get out of Florida - - - -Anybody know anything? - - Have we been recruiting him? - -Holler. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 search Emmit there are a # of posts about him,

Yes KU is recruiting him. If the staff gets the vibe that he will leave Florida then expect him to be a priority target.

@jayballer54 I believe he is 6' 7" 210 pounds. Suppose to have a high energy motor. Coach Roberts has been on him. Not sure of his interest in KU.

FIRE UP THE RUMOUR MACHINE. Interesting tweet from Duval..,.......,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,

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@BeddieKU23

@BShark your thoughts?

@Crimsonorblue22

Trying not to overreact.

@BShark you think it means Duke doesn't want him?

@BShark maybe they got a peek at his high school transcripts

@Crimsonorblue22

That's what most think, but it could be jack shit, he's an 18 year old kid after all.

@BShark

Seton Hall fans all over it.

@JayHawkFanToo

Have read throughout his recruitment that they are in fact a real option.

@BShark

So he be like...I can go to KU and be like Jackson or Wiggins or one of the dozen plus player from KU in the NBA...or, I can go to Seton Hall and be like...hmmm...like...hmm...when is the last time Seton Hall sent a player to the NBA???

@JayHawkFanToo

Samuel Dalembert, Isaiah Whitehead (news to me, I had to look it up)

@approxinfinity

Dalembert was drafted in 2001, Whitehead...I have no clue.

Seton Hall has a basketball team?

Bet it's not bball related

@BeddieKU23

Probably, which is why people going completely nuts over it is hilarious (I believe the all caps in my prior post gave it away as a bit tongue-in-cheek). He is 18, might be about a girl for all we know.

@drgnslayr said:

Seton Hall has a basketball team?

Hey, Bill Raftery coached there!

And PJ Carlissimo before he became more famous for being choked by Sprewell:

"NBA Commissioner David Stern suspended Sprewell for 82 games before an arbitrator reduced the sentence to 68 games, costing Sprewell $6.4 million and his shoe deal with Converse.

"Sprewell deemed the punishment too harsh. 'I wasn't choking P.J. that hard,' Sprewell told 60 Minutes. 'I mean, he could breathe.'"

(From ESPN Classic article)

Now that is a decisive punishment!

@mayjay Sprewell and the NBA was a bit out of control in that time frame. Ron Artest is another "fun" memory for the NBA. Malice at the Palace ↗

@drgnslayr Back to back tournament appearances and won Big East tournament last year.

Seton Hall fans appear really needy with really low goals on twitter.

We could get a tournament win against Arkansas with you! Wooo Hooo!!! Round of 32 2018 here we come!!!

I wouldn't want a player with such low aspirations. I don't think Duval is shooting for less than a championship/NBA $$$. Show out to get paid. Winners get paid.

I hope some PG recruits have been watching KU ball out with 2 PGs on the floor at once.

I've have long thought that Kentucky would almost have to lose a post player to transferring, unless more went pro than expected.

Looks like it COULD be Humphries.

http://kentuckysportsradio.com/basketball-2/isaac-humphries-is-contemplating-his-future-at-kentucky/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter ↗

KU was involved briefly when he was in HS.

@BShark

pass on that one, there is nothing to be impressed by with him. He's pretty slow as well.

@BeddieKU23

Yeah I think he'd be transferring down.

@BShark

He could go to a smaller conference and make a difference for someone. Even someone like St Mary's would be a good spot for him with with their stud C being a Sr next year.

MSU people think Bridges will return. That would be friggin stupid.

@BeddieKU23

Even just a lower level P5 school ie not KU, UK, Duke, Arizona.

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@BShark

And that is why MSU people are nuts in the head. There is really no chance he's back,

@BeddieKU23

Well, Harris had no business coming back either.

@BShark

That's true I think they are different players though. Bridges is the type of athlete the NBA wants and IMO is a better player. Are there any legit reasons the fans feel this way? I really can't see Bridges passing up going around the late lottery

@BShark Not a single MSU fan I know (about 5 of them) thinks Bridges is coming back.

@BeddieKU23 @Texas-Hawk-10

Their insiders seem confident too. Fans seem split. It's a bit weird. We will see.

MJ Walker down to KU and WVU. WUT.

@BShark

Their insiders would be the last people I'd believe, . If he does come back good for him, but despite the injuries he had he was stellar year and I can't imagine he's going to pass up on the $. He's ready for the league physically, athletically. It will be stunning if he did go back

@BeddieKU23

Agree, just relaying the crazy.

@BShark

Huh? can't be right. West Virginia doesn't have schollie's

@BeddieKU23

Yeah idk, when there is more about it I will post more.

Behemoth McCormack mentioned KU as one of the schools recruiting him the hardest..

@BeddieKU23

It might be bogus. Walker tweeted false information sir to a tweet that has since been deleted. The KU/WVU thing is just from his 247 profile.

http://247sports.com/player/m-j-walker-25525 ↗

Oh and excellent on McCormack. Can't hurt that Preston is probably in his ear. Maryland will probably be in there until the end.

@BShark Bridges dad is the only one right now saying Bridges will be back next year.

Bridges is projected to be a lottery pick by just about all publications. He is as good as gone; anything else is just wishful thinking.

@BShark

Yeah most of the info about McCormack was about Maryland. Looks like they have an edge with the relationship. Says he's big on relationships.. We'll see how involved KU gets. The kid has lost a considerable amount of weight this year and looked better because of it I thought. I think he's someone the staff should really be on

@BeddieKU23

He'd be a fine get. I mean, we are starting Lucas this year.

Grimes and Dotson are the only 18 recruits I feel KU is definitely prioritizing right now. Outside of that, it's wait and see. Going to have a lot of post minutes available.

This is from a couple weeks ago but Duke "doesn't expect" Jeter to be back next year.

@BShark

We'll see. Doke & Preston have NBA potential that has to be realized before leaving. I think recruits might be in the wait and see approach. We might be again, relying on some high prized guys waiting until spring

But in General we should have minutes to sell..

@BeddieKU23

I can see the logic there. It would just be great to get some good fall signings.

Looks like Nevada is the likely landing spot for Jeter.

Bolden might transfer as well, with TCU being the likely spot.

@BShark

Adam Zagoria‏ @ AdamZagoria 28m 28 minutes ago
Tremont Waters is focused on Kansas and Duke, source says. 'At least one of them isn't getting Trevon Duval'

Don't know how valid I consider that information..

@BShark

Nevada would be a good spot for Jeter, he clearly needs to drop a level of competition.

I think he's the biggest flopper for a big man I've ever seen. Leave that where you learned it.

Bolden, TCU can have him although they have stockpiled talent in the front-court. Not saying a change of scenery and a year off wouldn't help him tremendously but he'd be competing with no less then 5 guys at the PF/C position. They also don't have a scholly at the moment without attrition. He's probably better then the 5 he'd be competing against but I couldn't tell you that based on how he played/acted on the court/sidelines this season.

@BeddieKU23 I would take Bolden. He would have a year to sit, watch and learn. Knowing that he would be the man in 2018 would likely change his attitude.
If it's between KU and Duke for Waters, I hope Duvall gives Duke a verbal tomorrow.

@BeddieKU23

KU isn't recruiting Waters, according to MS on 247. So, pretty conflicting.

WELP, went to twitter. Seems like Zags got his shit corrected now.

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@BeddieKU23

Bragg might just be a mid-major big too, if we are being honest. BUT, can KU sign better this spring?

@BShark

yup the way Bragg has played this year well I'll just say politely he is possibly the most overrated McDonald's All American we've ever signed.. I'll refrain from further comment

@Ralph

I would personally pass on Bolden but that's going off his effort/performance this year. As you noted the year off to learn, mature, and become a better player could have a huge difference and KU could need that type of player coming into the program in 2018. If he's available it will be Self's decision to make..

@BeddieKU23

Bolden has played a total of 5 minutes in Duke's last 5 games and scored 0 points.

He has played a total of 157 minutes and scored 37 points the entire season.

In comparison Azubuile played 142 minutes and scored and 55 points. Coleby played 117 minutes and scored and 39 points.

Do we really want Bolden?

@BeddieKU23

When I look at next year's line-up I see Preston and Doke as the starters. Quite possible that Coleby is the first big off the bench.

@JayHawkFanToo

Exactly, what Beddie and I are saying pretty much is that it's no big deal if he goes to TCU. I'd rather have Juiston than Jeter or Bolden. No joke! High BBIQ players do pretty damn well under Self.

@BShark

High BBQ IQ does well on my deck...:smiley:

@BShark

I'm kind of excited to see what Coleby could do next year.

He's a junkyard dog type that will basically be going through his first (hopeful) full off-season with the team. He might benefit the most from a summer with Hudy + playing games in Italy. I would expect Hudy will be able to really work on his legs and get that explosion back that he had at Ole Miss which was part of what I was excited about when he first came here. We'll see, I know Self values the Coleby's of the world..

I'm looking at what Coleby currently brings, effort, rebounding, some rim protection, a big body and somebody that knows the system. He won't be a dominate scorer but he does what is needed of him. I think that's good enough to rely on him for 10-15 minutes a game if needed. We could do worse IMO.

Juiston would be possibly the best signing of the spring. He's a need for this team in the post.

@BeddieKU23 who is Juiston?

@HawkChamp

He is a JUCO recruit from Hutchinson CC. 6'7, elite rebounder with excellent passing ability and athleticism. He originally played AAU ball with Isiah Briscoe in NJ before a tragic event in his life (death of his brother) apparently slowed his career. His recruitment has really picked up and KU has offered after watching him practice and play recently. A lot has been written about him being a really good kid with a high BBIQ that is a great teammate. I really hope we land this fella

@BeddieKU23 he plays at noon on wed

@BeddieKU23 what's going on with MJ Walker? It shows him being down to KU and West Virginia on 247

@Ralph

No one knows, there has been no further clarification anywhere. Very odd!

And yeah as for Juiston...Self saw a practice, which prompted wanting to see him in game action. The offer followed immediately after that.

When I first read about Self going to one of his practices I checked out a lot of video (you can watch Hutch CC games online for free) and was hoping KU would offer.

@BeddieKU23 I think Bragg is better than he has shown. Makes you wonder how much whatever it was that went down in the dorm has affected him..........I think possibly quite a bit.

@Hawk8086

Bragg is not mentally ready. His body is ready but his mind has not caught up.

@BeddieKU23 ah ok thanks. Is he a recruit for next year (fall of 2017)?

@JayHawkFanToo not sure either one is

@Crimsonorblue22

Hudy has made sure his body is ready. KU needs a shrink to deal with his psyche...

@BeddieKU23 Maybe DC could become our next Tarik Black. That thought got me so excited I almost wet myself.

@HawkChamp

He's a JUCO so he has two years of eligibility left starting next year.

@BeddieKU23 I would take either one for sur. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@brooksmd LOL, OMG don't do that - -that's not good, but ya I know what ya mean lol. - - -ROCK CHALK AL DAY LONG BABY

@brooksmd

The spirit is willing but the kidney is weak?

Little news...

Cuonzo signs at Mizzou for 7 years and hasn't shared info on Porter's dad coming over to the coaching staff.

Wow. What a way to start your new coaching job.... dealing with the Porter stuff.

@drgnslayr saw his contract

@Hawk8086

Good points!

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@BShark

that's great.. hasn't this been the mood for many months now, at least we are still playing basketball games

Blake Harris opens it up

ESPN 100 point guard Blake Harris has been granted his release from Washington and will reopen his recruitment, he told ESPN on Tuesday.

"I received my release from Washington," Harris told ESPN's Paul Biancardi. "The reason I committed there was the coaching staff. Now that they are not there anymore, I am opening up my recruiting."

BILL SELF HELLO :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :grinning:

@BeddieKU23

Good news, Ryan/Bham thinks Harris sucks.

@BShark

yeah, you already know how much I feel Ryan misses the point on kids. If they are not elite talents in the Top 50 he's saying they suck. He's a top 100ish talent, crazy

Ideally Blake at KU is the backup getting experience for the future.

Juwan Evans went pro for Oklahoma St (Not surprisingly)

@BeddieKU23 said:

that's great.. hasn't this been the mood for many months now, at least we are still playing basketball games

NC, then Duval. GO GET IT BILL.

@BeddieKU23 said:

Juwan Evans went pro for Oklahoma St (Not surprisingly)

Yeah, Lydon for Cuse also going.

@BeddieKU23 said:

yeah, you already know how much I feel Ryan misses the point on kids. If they are not elite talents in the Top 50 he's saying they suck. He's a top 100ish talent, crazy

Ideally Blake at KU is the backup getting experience for the future.

He basically called him a mix tape warrior but then you watch a full game and he has 6 points. Said that UW didn't really care. Pretty harsh stuff. I think he'd be fine at KU.

Don't remember who the people were, but I remember a few posters in the past saying that BIFM was nothing more than a back-up PG. I'll trust this staff's development and evaluations over random posters.

@BShark

I caught a few Blake Harris games in the fall that's how I knew about him. After looking him up I couldn't believe he was only in the 100's on most places. He's much better then what Ryan is labeling him and I trust that evaluation of him.

And what he's saying about Washington is false. They lost their coach, they have no choice but to let him out of his NLI. If Romar was still here, he'd be at Washington and nothing would ever be mentioned about it. Not this "they aren't sad he's leaving". Bogus stuff being put out by him there.

More draft declarations.

Markelle Fultz (duh)
Jarrett Allen (no agent)
Omer Yurtseven (no agent)

MJ Walker's profile has been reverted lol.

@BShark said:

MJ Walker's profile has been reverted lol.

From what to what? Do you know what the fake twitter post of his was from 2-3 days ago?

@dylans

It had claimed he was down to WVU and KU. Which was out of nowhere and kind of odd.

@BShark I'd take him. I was really hoping Cody Riley's big body would be wearing Crimson and Blue. His loss.

@dylans

Momma won Riley's recruitment.

Juiston playing at noon

http://www.njcaatv.com/landing/index ↗

@BShark

Will be interesting to see if he sticks if Alford goes to Indiana. There could be some movement in that class that could be of interest.. Spring is going to be fun

@BeddieKU23 If Steve goes to Indiana, what would he do without his Balls?

@dylans

Walker is good, kind of in the mold of a Wayne Selden. I don't think he's leaving the South, I think Georgia Tech & FSU have him in their sights.

Riley, another talented player but we have Preston who has a much bigger ceiling and is a better player. Riley is going to be a heck of a College Player though. His size makes him unattractive to the NBA unless he adds more of a perimeter game to his arsenal.

@BeddieKU23 Yeah, he's probably going to FSU, but I've heard that before...we shall see.

@dylans

That's funny, who knows what the other Ball's will do if Steve is gone. Most likely they stay at UCLA but with USC's resurgence and strong class going forward we could see them skip across town.

I do think Alford goes to Indiana which is why we haven't seen Indiana get a coach yet until UCLA is out of the tourney.

@dylans

I think FSU needs a few players to leave for Walker to have an open scholarship. Isaac is certainly gone, Bacon is being told he's a 2nd round pick again but he's clearly got NBA talent.. Rathan-Mayes is old (23) already and could play internationally. I think all 3 are gone but even then he would need another opening. FSU also has 6,7 guards on its roster already, although Walker would certainly push for a starting spot regardless.

Georgia Tech I think is the team to watch for him. Closer to home, Pastner has always recruited well and he had a pretty remarkable season for their standards especially with the roster he took over. There's a good chance he could go there and start from Day-1

@dylans said:

@BeddieKU23 If Steve goes to Indiana, what would he do without his Balls?

Probably throw a party.

Right now is the busy time in recruiting... especially for guys like Self who have a couple spots to fill while he has to get ready for Thursday's game.

Coaching changes so players want out of LOIs and players leaving early for the league... It's one big blender right now.

No time to sleep on recruiting. This is the time of year that assistant coaches really earn their keep, too.

All hands on deck.

@BeddieKU23 said:

@BShark

Will be interesting to see if he sticks if Alford goes to Indiana. There could be some movement in that class that could be of interest.. Spring is going to be fun

His mom still works at UCLA. I think he is probably there no matter what.

@BeddieKU23 said:

@dylans

Walker is good, kind of in the mold of a Wayne Selden. I don't think he's leaving the South, I think Georgia Tech & FSU have him in their sights.

Riley, another talented player but we have Preston who has a much bigger ceiling and is a better player. Riley is going to be a heck of a College Player though. His size makes him unattractive to the NBA unless he adds more of a perimeter game to his arsenal.

Supposedly his coach is very tight with Huggy. Of course, WVU doesn't have scholarships available...

Friggin Pastner.

@dylans said:

@BeddieKU23 Yeah, he's probably going to FSU, but I've heard that before...we shall see.

Doke was an FSU lock. :grinning:

@BShark said:

@dylans said:

@BeddieKU23 If Steve goes to Indiana, what would he do without his Balls?

Probably throw a party.

I'd believe that about Lavar, but the boys seem ok. Man that Dad though...what a mess.

@BeddieKU23

MS saying KU WILL look at Blake Harris if Duval does not pick KU.

@BeddieKU23 I agree will be interesting to see what the Ball's do. I know it has ben said to just ignore Dad - -seems like dad doesn't like that so much. They ran a article off ESPN, seems he is crossing a line has now brought Lebron into the conversation - -thing is he brought Lebron's family into it, they say that's where he has crossed the line. He said you keep my family out of your mouth. - -you talk about me it's fine - -you keep my family out of it. - -He now has talked smack one way or another on Jordan, Barkley, James it's crazy.- - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@BShark Interest for Blake? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@BShark

Harris was already at NC St since his release..

Duke board also saying he wants Duke to recruit him..

@BeddieKU23

I'm sure he does being from NC. I'd rather have Duval. Seems like Harris might not wait for Duval to decide but if that's the case, he isn't ending up at Duke lol.

@dylans

I guess there will be a lot of "Balls" in the air...

Watching Shakur Juiston, had 29 points, 12 boards, 4 assists, a few blocks in Hutch's win.

Athletically he stands out, its hard to believe he is a JUCO. He runs the floor extremely well and is always looking for an outlet pass off a rebound. Love his quickness to guard multiple positions.

Hutch also has a lefty guard Haynes-Jones that is signed to Wichita St. He had 26 and looks like he'll fit right in with Marsha there.

Hutch plays again at 6pm CT tomm

https://t.co/9xxs2DhbXR ↗

Nice play by juiston

Aljami Durham is reopening his recruitment. 6'4'' CG. Crean got him to commit his JR year of HS. A bit low ranked but a solid athlete. Could be another solid Crean ditr... No idea if KU will be interested.

I believe their 6'10'' PF will be opening it back up as well but he is less interesting imo.

Man, BHam is just adamant that Harris sucks. Lol.

Apparently Porter is asking a release from his LOI fro Washington. The article also indicates ↗ his younger brother decommited last week and the father is considering an offer to coach at MU...who could have predicted it. 😜

Now MU with Porter will be like Washington with Fultz...still a bottom feeder.

@JayHawkFanToo isn't there a rule where you can't hire a players relative to land a recruit?

@Jayrawks1

I am sure there is a loophole. I believe you can if you hire the relative as a full time assistant; the idea is that a program would not waste a valuable position on someone that is no qualified.

@BShark

And I doubt he's ever seen him play (Harris), or Durham for that fact. Blake Harris doesn't get over 20 high major D-1 scholarships by "not being good enough". And I would never question Crean's ability to find lower ranked guards and turning them into something especially if they have a reputation for being an athlete as Durham does.

The pedestal that he puts kids on to be worthy of playing at some of these schools is ridiculous.

WOW, Mercy, Mercy, this has become a very long thread. - - -Maybe we need to start a next recruit up Phase two lol. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@JayHawkFanToo Couldn't agree more, you should of heard Keitzman off Radio 810 the other day, He was so sappy, saying almost begging Porter Sr to take the MU position, Kind of funny knowing that he is a K-State guy, but he was saying " Oh what is there to think about? - -Everybody knows that this is Porters best move, shouldn't be a no brainer come on." - - Sayin how the family has been split apart and the family hasn't been the same since Porter and daddy went to Washington - -Man you talk about someone pleading, I think he thinks Porter will be like the 2nd coming for Missouri -dang good player but ummm no. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Porter has asked for his release ↗

@dylans hope he doesn't go to ou!

@Crimsonorblue22 MU looking like a possible landing spot for the three Porters.

It's already done for Missouri. Everything else is just noise/manufactured drama.

@BeddieKU23

Maybe KU will win a title with Landen "not good enough" Lucas. :grinning:

Fact is KU will likely need at least another guard. If it's not Duval it's not going to be a flashy signing regardless.

@BShark Ya, at this point there are no flashy ones left, but still could find some solid hopefully. What we Don't need is just take whatever to fill scholi, a someone who is an end of the bench 4-5 minute player, we need someone who still is at least solid. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Well you can now officially add another to the transfer list. - -Chase Jeter announced he is transferring out of Duke. - - -Ya people saying just another case of K taking another 5 star recruit and screwing with his future - -people saying Jeter mistakes was going to Duke in the first place, He says looking to go somewhere closer to home. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Jeter officially announced he will be transferring today. I'd be shocked if it was KU.

Oh I see Jayballer mentioned it. @jayballer54 when kids go to Duke, UK or KU they know what they are signing up for. Be great or you don't play.

@BShark

Father says he'll be in the Pac-12.

Interesting to note they want a school where he'll play 30 minutes and be a featured offensive player. I just died laughing reading that. 30 minutes? Maybe if you stop flopping. Featured offensive player, maybe if you were skilled enough for a coach to make that happen. Neither of which Jeter is currently ready to do.

Kind of interesting, Radio 810 all over the Porter scenario. - -Being said Micheal Porter Sr has been offered position by Mu & confirmed by Porter Sr - - So they wondering why he has not accepted the offer? - -Trying to come up with reason as to why - -the only one they come up with is - -waiting on another offer - - possibly Oklahoma? they say - -Oklahoma is one of four schools that Porter lists now as he is considering - -possibly re-connecting with Trae Young, - -sure hope not- -that would NOT BE GOOD. - - Still think he ends up in the end run at Missery. - -They said another possible reason might be looking for something more then a one year deal, afraid after Micheal gone after his yr then he gone. -- We shall see. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

JT3 is out at Georgetown. :astonished:

@BeddieKU23

He says that, but I'd still possibly bet Nevada is in play.

Oh and this is from the Duke 247 site...before Jeter announced of course.

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@BeddieKU23 said:

JT3 is out at Georgetown. :astonished:

SHOCKER. Lol.

@jayballer54

Don't fret, people are just speculating because they didn't decide in 2.2 seconds. He has to get his release first and I'm sure Missouri and his father are negotiating behind the scenes.

Like he certainly isn't going to a GOOD Pac team and getting 30 minutes a night.

@BShark

Exactly, they have some really lofty expectations of Chase if we are taking what he's shown on the court at face-value..

He scored 100 points in 2 seasons in limited minutes in both. Yup feature scorer in the Pac-12 a year from now:stuck_out_tongue:

That image was ripped from a premium article so probably a good idea to not repost it to the phog or somewhere with high visibility. Guess I could have typed out the percentages, but w/e.

@BeddieKU23

Hopefully Bragg is drinking from the same crazy. Bragg is frustrating but if he is the 3rd/4th big next year that's fine.

@BShark

I saw that meter in the Duke thread yesterday. Was interesting to see the intel on Allen at this point, insuiating he might be back again

@BeddieKU23

With all the bullcrap drama he might as well come back and enter a weaker draft.

Kennard is better than Allen, IMO.

@BShark

Luke is definitely a better offensive player but he's a liability on defense. I think that's the only concern for him leaving this season with scouts. He's also not an elite athlete nor does he have ideal size..

Allen bombed trying to be a PG both in on-court performance and mentally. He's been exposed coming back and has IMO no chance of restoring his draft stock to where it was after his freshman year. He can certainly come back and erase a lot of concerns about his game with another year. If I was a NBA GM I wouldn't want anything to do with him, ticking time bomb always.

I like how there isn't a narrative when K or Cal have a 5 star player transfer. But when one doesn't work out for KU, it's all gloom and doom crap.

@BShark

I can't imagine anyone around the program thought Bragg's season would end up where it has to this point. It still seems the staff has confidence in him the way they were talking him up for this tournament and what kind of role he can still bring. Tonight is another opportunity for him to impact the team..

@BShark

If you read their board, they are definitely in negative mode post the loss. But your right, we don't hear a lot of people talking negatively about it. If Bolden leaves though we may see some headlines..

@BeddieKU23

Not sure what Bragg offers tonight. He got abused by Ward and Purdue has bulky bigs as well.

I moreso meant the national narrative as well as recruiting vibes. It just seems that everything bounces off K and Cal.

Bolden should honestly stay. Who does Duke have to play ahead of him? Presumably he would start with Carter.

@BShark ya I understand that, - -but this kid was the # 11 player in the nation that's not cold cheese, the problem is kids like this get buried on the bench - -too many really good players that's one of the problems where it's just a ;loaded one and done after a one and done there are many many schools where he could of went and probably would of been a lot better off. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54

This is why coaches should trust their own evals and not blindly follow what the ranking services say. Different sport but this was a huge issue for Mack Brown at the end of his Texas tenure.

Also, when Duke basically just takes nothing but 4/5 stars, well some aren't going to play...

@BShark Exactly my point - - Duke is almost exclusive 5 stars, you can be good & still get buried, not really get that chance to develop. - -I kind of agree with your point also about Nevada, as was stated off zags blog, he was looking to transfer somewhere closer to home, & him being out of Las Vegas would make sense for sure. - -Hell could be he checks into UNLV maybe. - - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54

When I saw Jeter play he wasn't good though. Not sure if he ends up being much more than Landen Lucas at this point. Of course things can change and obviously there were some things there that made him get ranked that highly.

And to be clear he has to improve to get to Landen levels. Probably won't do all the little things Landen does either.

I posted earlier about John Thompson iii in the let the firings begin - -just curious, do you think we might have any possible transfer out of G-Town that KU might show interest in? - -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@BShark

I agree, we have no idea what Bragg will bring. I'm just trying to stay positive because anything he does bring that's positive will help this team win tonight. An offensive rebound and a put-back, making FT's, an open mid-range jumper, getting a key block.. Those are things we know he can do when he's engaged.

And I also agree about the national narrative. Everyone must be numb to their recruiting ways and just figure attrition is going to happen, or some are not going to pan out. Who knows, KU does seem to get a lot of flack for its OAD's that didn't pan out. Hopefully Josh helps restore some of the national reputation.

@jayballer54

Slim pickings on that team. Govan is a 6'10 big that improved in his Soph year. He can step out and shoot some. I think Georgetown will get someone that will energize the area and keep what little roster is still on scholarship

@BeddieKU23

Yeah I mean we still heard about friggin Selby in the Young recruitment from the Youngs.

@BShark

I was shocked Jeter was that highly rated coming out of HS. But we also have to remember some kids are rated high on what they think the level they can get to in the future. Obviously it seems a lot of evals missed the mark on him to this point.

@BShark

Definitely which was kind of shocking. Even Collins was apart of that and to most KU fans Collins is sacred. But the Young's ate them up because they didn't have successful NBA career's. It truly shows how narrow some kids/parents view things from. Being 24/7/365 KU fans we see things differently, not as "Black and White" as the young's made it seem about Self with point guards

Cliff wasn't as much of a disaster as Cheick imo. The staff deserved a little flack for Cheick. Despite Embiid the negative impact of the Cheick situation will continue to be felt. Bragg isn't helping either. Hopefully Bragg turns it around and Doke/Preston both work out.

@BeddieKU23 said:

@BShark

I was shocked Jeter was that highly rated coming out of HS. But we also have to remember some kids are rated high on what they think the level they can get to in the future. Obviously it seems a lot of evals missed the mark on him to this point.

I remember not being super excited when KU offered.

@BeddieKU23 said:

I think Georgetown will get someone that will energize the area and keep what little roster is still on scholarship

I wonder if Patrick Ewing would consider it to resurrect his alma mater. Has been an NBA asst for years. I could see that being a huge recruiting attraction to potential OADs. Have no idea how much of a winner as a college coach he would be, but some OADs don't care, they just want contacts and visibility (Simmons, anyone?).

@mayjay

Good point, Georgetown must hit a home-run with whoever it hires. It's a really strong recruiting area that has some nice prospects in future classes coming up. A lot of local recruits have been going elsewhere because of JT3's style of play and the general lack of momentum within the program. Ewing definitely would be a big name with Big's. As you stated not sure how he'd transition from the NBA to College. There has been a trend so far with coaches getting hired with limited coaching experience though..

@BeddieKU23

The more I read from Young's circle the more I was like meh.. I wish Young nothing but the best at OU and KU will be fine.

Give me hard workers like Garrett any time.

Not sure how Collins gets put on Self/the staff. Dude ate his way out of the league and was short. And I loved Collins but it is what it is.

Georgetown isn't even relevant anymore sad to say for them. Of course one great hire changes that instantly.

@BShark

Cliff was a poor defender and always had one foot out the door IMO. His family helped the other leg.

Cheick is such a crappy situation. But generally agree he never gained the trust of his coaches or players. What can we do, in both cases we didn't get nearly enough time with either for Self to truly make his mark on them. It's not like Josh Jackson came to KU and Self transformed him. Most top talents don't come to College and have that situation change them. It's the Frank Mason's of the world's and the Landen Lucas's that help prove Self is the real deal.

@BShark

Somehow we always come back to Garrett and I smile. Will be giddy if we get at least 3 years with that stud

@BeddieKU23

Cheick was totally lost. That's on him and the coaches. Agree though with these OAD players, you mostly have to hope you get the right one. With the way Self is, those oads really need to have high bbiq. Self is loathe to play a raw player that makes lots of mistakes, but that's what a good chunk of OADs are now. Kids don't really stay in school to develop anymore.

@BeddieKU23 said:

@BShark

Somehow we always come back to Garrett and I smile. Will be giddy if we get at least 3 years with that stud

I think there aren't a lot of scenarios where he only stays two years but certainly they exist. If he shows he can run the point in year two well that is certainly tempting for NBA scouts with his size.

@BShark

His size and defense will have him on the radar for the NBA at some point. Could be a similar development arc to Vick. Garrett's goals should be about adding good muscle weight and working tirelessly at that jump shot.

Cheick is a personal failure of mine. Saw him play a ton in HS and was just convinced he had the tools to be great with Self's help. Boy did that end up wrong

Porter got his release.

Don't worry Washington wasn't worried about letting him go. He wasn't that good anyway

@BeddieKU23

To be fair if Cheick's circle wasn't so dead set on him being OAD, we probably would have seen him be a solid player for KU.

Duke insiders have moved Bolden's chance to stay to 1% within the last few hours LOL.

So, someone fill me in - - -whz going on at Virginia? -- -Yesterday Shayok - - -Reuter announced they transferring out -- & now today Thompson announces he is transferring out - - WTH is going on there? - - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54

Smells like a coach leaving for another job perhaps.

@BeddieKU23

Interesting post from BHam if you didn't see it. Mentioned that more than anything Self/KU doesn't want to deal with Waters' dad.

@BShark You think Bennett might be leaving Virginia? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@BShark

Garret was selected the Texas Gatorade Player of the Year. BTW, he is listed as 6'-8" now.

@JayHawkFanToo I freaking LOVE that kid. I am so glad we got him instead of Trae Young.

Well you can add another player to the list. -- not only Porter leaving Washington but - -- Noah Dickerson is looking to transfer and explore possibilities - - -Going to be a very interesting spring - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@KUSTEVE

Agree. this is one prospect that keeps getting better every single day..

@JayHawkFanToo

Yep I posted in a thread about it. I think a thread about Garrett but maybe it was here. Good stuff.

@jayballer54 said:

Well you can add another player to the list. -- not only Porter leaving Washington but - -- Noah Dickerson is looking to transfer and explore possibilities - - -Going to be a very interesting spring - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Would take.

@BShark

This is the time when Coach Self does his magic...

@BeddieKU23 said:

Porter got his release.

Don't worry Washington wasn't worried about letting him go. He wasn't that good anyway

So, will be a good fit at Mizzou, where Cuonzo just hired his daddy...

KU very likely out for Duval according to BHam. Things change but, it's pretty late in this process. He says Duke or Zona based on what he heard.

Getter of buckets Thomas Allen has requested a release from his NLI to NC State. Currently at Brewster c/o North Carolina. That has worked out for KU before (no idea if KU even shows interest).

Porter Sr. hired on at MU.

@jayballer54

It does raise some questions at Virginia. We've seen in the past that its tough to play for Bennett and his slow you to sleep style and defensive minded philosophy. I'm think the Shayok transfer means more then the Thompson one. Thompson, I believe, has already transferred before so he's most likely a grad transfer looking for more playing time. It seemed he was getting lost in the shuffle of the young guys. Shayok now has to go sit somewhere and finish his one year, which always strikes me as an odd situation.

@BShark

Interesting about Waters and his father. Had not heard anything about him before.

Bham with his usual daily doom and gloom.

@BeddieKU23

Yeah the Shayok one is very odd to me. The other two I get.

Definitely has to be something with Waters. The staff at this point seems not panicked about getting a PG.

@BeddieKU23 think we should start a new recruit thread? Retire this one!

@Crimsonorblue22

sure, in a few week's we'll need a new one. recruiting will pick up after the season ends

Anyone catch Juiston's game yesterday?

Hutch won and again Shakur was clutch down the stretch. Made a bunch of FT's (which other than a jump-shot seems to be his weakness).

He had over 20 pts again with 16 rebounds. Usual effort from this guy

@BeddieKU23

Yeah he is good. He'd get minutes for KU next year and it's always good to have high bbiq players.

Some really weird scorching hot take posts in a Phog thread about him. Someone said they remind him of Bragg which just makes absolutely zero sense to me.

@BShark

I saw that. Poster has no idea what he's talking about.

Honestly the Jamari Traylor comp fits (size, athlete) but otherwise ends there. Hard to find a direct comp because he is kind of an unique talent. Without a jump shot you worry how much he'd fit in this years hawk lineup but obviously a lot of things are going to change next year. His rebounding, BBIQ, and athletic ability stand out and are needed on this team

@BShark love to see him after a summer w/coach! They were 19 down last pm and came back. I believe.

Strongly considering going to the hcc game. Don't want to miss Baylor game though.

@Crimsonorblue22 I agree, love the thread, but mentioned yesterday thread getting really really long, thought maybe we should start a next recruit up phase 2. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@BShark

The only parallel I see is that Bragg dominated in HS but not so much in Division I college ball. Likewise, Juiston is dominating in JuCo but will he do the same at the next level?

@JayHawkFanToo

While true you could technically comp just about any player not at a basketball factory like Oak Hill that way. When there is a clear cut best player (usually the case with a sought after recruit) then they are going to have to ball a loooot. That's why stats really do not mean much and it's about evaluating skills and how you think they will translate which is an inexact science.