Is Self facing a run of bad luck with reputed OAD inside players?
Or are apparent recruiting asymmetries forcing Self to gamble on signing certain OADs that are riskier than some others?
Given the failure of Alexander and Diallo to excel in the NBA, so far, it seems unlikely that Self's coaching is the cause of the unexpectedly modest performances of these players at KU.
What gives?
Both were players with high athletic ability but with very low basketball IQ. They can dominate in HS but Division I is a different beast with most players being superior athletes.
JB, come join us on Slack!
Slack runs very smoothly. Not the end of the world to do game chats there. Come on and try!
@jaybate-1-0 whats with the negativity today? Have a better day tomorrow buddy.
Preston's career is trending similar to Bragg, another McD 4 spot player who can't seem to stay away from trouble, not a good sign.
we really shouldn't be surprised about Preston. He came in with issues and he still has them.
Another season, another big man issue
kjayhawks said:
@jaybate-1-0 whats with the negativity today? Have a better day tomorrow buddy.
Will do and back to ya.
Rock Chalk!
SO - -Billy tweeted post game last night I see. - -" Seeing Everyone's opinion on my life when they don't even know me - - IS COMICAL. - - I love it lol."
Oh ok, so this is Comical to you is it Billy? - -you think this is funny huh? - No policer report was found on this either? - -WTF ? - Why is it I'm not laughing? - - please enlighten me. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
One car non injury accident, lets say he backed into a tree or something similar there is no mention of other property being damaged. Been there done that, never bothered with calling the police. If no property is damaged other than my car i just file a report with insurance if it isn't something I can fix myself. Started doing this after an officer asked me why I called as there was really no reason for him to be there. Now I am talking minor dents and scraps, not wrapping it around a tree! I kinda sounds like Billy was responsible and reported a minor incident to coach and then it blew up.
I kinda do see Billy's point there has been some wild comments basically assuming the car is something he's been given. The situation is not comical, but some of the comments are pretty out there, particularly if all is good and KU is just being paranoid in light of current events. I'm playing wait an see on this one as it is understandable that any little thing that crops up is going to be over examined as long as the FBI is still investigating.
Wasn't a big deal from the sound of it, very minor damage.
Minor tire damage
@Kubie The announcement yesterday, plus holding him out indefinitely to investigate the "financials", invited speculation.
The accident may have been minor, but he was not held out because of the accident. He was held out due to fear he had received impermissible benefits. And that is not minor.
No one that I saw speculated that it was about the accident, so, no, his being amused IS out of place.
@jaybate-1.0 Personally I think with Preston, its just been some dumb luck with regard to the car accident. I don't know all the details but if Coach Self said everything is gonna be fine then I believe him. I think this stuff with Preston will go under the bridge and get forgotten about.
Billy, I am not amused at your "comical" accusations. Time now to get your act together and fulfill the hoops promise which surrounded your recruiting and arrival at KU. Personally, I am much more interested in you as a Jayhawk basketball player than as a private person with a growing set of problems which prevent your representing this fine program on game nights. You are in command of your own destiny. Please give your fans a break and actually show up to play in the next game.
With Preston, I don't recall there being "financial questions" regarding another player's vehicle in the Bill Self era at least. Certainly not missing a game. Following missing a game for missing curfew and missing class. I agree with @REHawk. Actually show up and play, since that is what you are getting compensated for (full scholarship, etc).
Billy I'm sure wants to play. He wants to show up. Its now the University that is stepping in and questioning his status.
Why is he driving a newer model Dodge Charger? If it was simple I'm sure this would have been cleared up Tuesday. 2 days have passed, no resolution. There's obviously more to this for better or worse. Typical, typical, typical
Lester Earl drove a very nice suv. I can't remember which school bought it for him. I don't recall any players getting in trouble for cars at KU though.
Fwiw Billy's mom is fairly well off. Which I guess shouldn't really be a surprise given how he moved across the country to different high schools.
BShark said:
Fwiw Billy's mom is fairly well off. Which I guess shouldn't really be a surprise given how he moved across the country to different high schools.
that's important to note in regards to the car. It just seems weird that this is holding him up
this could also be KU being extremely tight about anything right now because of the FBI.
BeddieKU23 said:
this could also be KU being extremely tight about anything right now because of the FBI.
I would say this has to be some of it. Extra caution.
@dylans As I recall, there were major rumors about Wilt. @jaybate-1-0 tends to know those things about KU's legends.
dylans said:
Lester Earl drove a very nice suv. I can't remember which school bought it for him. I don't recall any players getting in trouble for cars at KU though.
Didn't Jeff Hawkins have a fender-bender in a drive-thru once? Not quite the same scenario as Preston's, but that could be deemed "car trouble", I suppose.
I was thinking Jeff graves had a really nice black SUV. Cadillac Escalade?
I have the little man on one shoulder telling me these same fears.
Fortunately, I have the other little man on my other shoulder keeping it positive about Billy. This is backed up with quite a bit of knowledge coming from people close to the situation. From what I have heard and read, we don't have anything to worry about. This is all about the compliance office making sure Billy's car is "legit."
Let's all feel good about our compliance department. With all the cr@p going on in the D1 world, feel good that we have perhaps the best compliance department in college and from this current situation with Billy, we now know that our compliance department takes priority over everything! Like it should be!
@mayjay et al
To talk about Wilt’s time you have to index expectations and dollars. A $60k Corvette today ranged from $2.5-4K in the 50s to early 60s. Even by the late 60s, as an ordinary student, I could pay for half my tuition, books, room and board for two semesters making $2.08/hr on a union summer job for only 2.5 months with some OT. 15 years before me, in Wilt’s time, similar wages would likely have been $1.25-1.50/hr. Doesn’t sound like much, but...
In that era, a union wage was often able to sustain a family of four with Mom staying at home in a small, blue collar neighborhood house with two bedrooms, 1 bath, and one new car and maybe one old one, while still saving for college and retirement, if the parents were thrifty. Kids borrowed the parents cars, or drove wrecks.
My point here is things could be made easily affordable by an alum giving a player a real summer job that he only clocked into and out of without actually doing the job. The rest of the time he worked out, swam, or goofed. This form of support was fairly standard for all football and basketball players From the 50s to the 70s at all the schools I ever heard of. This support was further supplemented by then significant cash sums (distributed creatively) that seem paltry for today but which had considerable purchasing power.
To put this in perspective, at the Big Eight Christmas tournament in the mid 1960s one always saw the teams in street clothes hanging around the concourse, when not playing. The players were always better dressed than most of the fans. The players wore cashmere over coats and top quality hats and Florscheim and Nunn Bush and Allen Edmonds shell cordovan shoes that were top quality in those days. Jo Jo White was the handsomest and snappiest dresser I ever saw in those days and he was from a modest St. Louis background.
I don’t have first hand knowledge of cars but it was believed by many that most players got preferred deals on leases, or loans on new or used cars from local dealer/boosters. Every athlete I ever recall could always afford a good late model Chevelle or GTO or Charger no matter how poor of a background he came from, because of the summer job income plus the willingness of boosters to accept the credit risk of a player in a way they likely would not have on an ordinary student. This was envied by regular students but never thought scandalous that I recall.
Before my time, In the 1950s, and back east, top high school players played in the Borscht Belt hotel summer leagues and reputedly made the money necessary to “afford” travel and clothing for recruiting trips AND cars. They also reputedly actually did scutt work around the hotels for pay, when they weren’t balling, talking to NBA coaches, agents, or gamblers. Wilt wrote about this time in his life in one of his books. The better players likely got the better jobs and worked less. There is a famous picture of Wilt and Red Auerbach at one of the hotels. Red reputedly mentored Wilt some during those summer leagues, but I reckon Red was scouting him both if one day he signed him, and if one day he had to coach against him. Doubt much money changed hands between coaches and players, but I suspect lots of gifts from agents and gamblers were common.
I’ve only heard rumors about Wilt at KU. My dad said in those days it was discretely assumed most players got cash gifts from alumni. But the cash was not supposed to make them independently wealthy or pave the way to a shoe contract. It was just supposed to enable the guys to have snappy cars, flashy coats, pay for travel and dates, take some ski trips and cover party expenses.
Did Wilt get more than that? Well, I reckon some more, but probably not a lot. He likely got what he would have gotten at any school not run by gamblers.
IMHO Wilt would have gotten a lot more at a school largely run by numbers racketeers.
You have to understand the different kinds of booster groups in that era.
KU sports was built largely by James Naismith and Allen schmoozing with boosters in Lawrence and KC. They are rarely described this way, but my reading suggests that the boosters came to Naismith and said if we work this amateur athletic stuff right, we can turn these games into huge money makers for the towns where the games and tourneys are held. And Naismith saw it as a way to find physical education and it’s infrastructure. Hoteliers and restaurateurs and bar owners and strip club/whore house operators, plus cab companies, and the railroads all saw sporting events as a clean, fun, popular way to spike their revenues that had several multiplier effects. Construction companies got work for arenas, stadia, and hotels. And the sports infrastructure lead to more events—boat shows, car shows, concerts etc. it all helped put a place on the map. And it helped your university and it helped the poor kids getting a shot at degrees by playing sports.
This of course lead inexorably Into involvement with machine politics and state politics and with the New Deal federal politics.
KU cannot give up football, because of the game weekend revenues generated for Lawrence. Period. Losing is profitable. Winning is more so. TV Revenue is sweet for the Chancellor, but the political support for KU football of football game day revenues is really long. But I digress.
Early in KU sports Kansas City was a Pendergast machine town backed silently by the Mellons of Pittsburgh, PA, needing to control Kansas to ensure SE Kansas coal to crack Oklahoma crude in the Mellon’s own personal state—Oklahoma. The Mellons protected KC and Kansas, and enabled KU by connecting it to Rhodes Scholarships (and so the Round Table), and Western Missouri from being overrun by the Rockefeller/Morgan folks and by Jewish and Italian mafias back east for quite awhile. A different, more provincial and local underworld flourished supplying bootleg booze to “the territories.” But by the time of FDR in the 1930s, while he first built his base on the big city machine politicians including Boss Pendergast, in control of the KC Democratic Party, FDR then later began expediently clearing his wake of the machine politicians—a political sacrifice to satisfy the increasingly stronger Jewish and Italian mafias’ desires to expand westward and to satisfy the central banker owners that enabled the eastern mafias. FDR had only briefly been able to hold off the central bankers and their eastern mafias with his unholy alliance of city machines that were 19th century legacy holdovers in the by then Anglo-American central bank centric 20th Century. And lord knows the Roosevelt’s had been no angels themselves with their Dutch and German ties.
In this context, KU sports were buffeted by this migration of power and saw their booster base evolve away from local promoters to promoters like KC banks (locally owned but increasingly creatures of central bank centrism and also of the central bank owners’ Anglo-American oil refining oligopoly dynamics. Banks and Big oil players were becoming the heart of KU boosterism even by Wilt’s time, though the good old boys in Lawrence still hustled and promoted too. .
This second and transitional phase of KU sports was what the Phenom from Phillie walked into as a young man to play for the game’s greatest non gambling assisted coach—Phog Allen. The Mellons by Wilt’s time had peeked in national oligarchic power and were in some eclipse by the Rockefeller-Morgan and Harriman folks for myriad unsightly reasons tracking back to Andrew’s dealings as SecWar in WWI. But their empire still included Pennsylvania, where Wilt grew up, Kansas, where Wilt chose to play, Western Missouri and Oklahoma, as of the late 1950s.
Wilt came to a place grounded in a boosterism different from Rockefeller-Morgan and Harriman regions of the country. It’s not that there was no corruption. Kansas has had plenty of corruption. But it was a different scale and type and descended from a different private oligarchy.
Things were done differently in Pennsylvania than the New York-Ohio axis of oligarchy did them.
Did wilt get perks? I suspect so. Muck raking books on sports make clear all schools committed to cultivating big game day revenues paid players.
Was Wilt owned by the numbers racketeers that haunted and at times appeared to control college basketball in so many other regions? I doubt it. He and his family and his mentors, like Phog Allen and Red Auerbach has wised him up to how much he stood to make if he kept their hooks out of him.
I have always argued KU has apparently been the lepper with the most fingers, not a saint.
The game was born in the YMCA. But shortly after it began to be a creature of the promoters that in the early days promoted prize fighting, theater, vice and gambling. Naismith fought to retrieve some part of the game into a more sheltered part of the economy—university amateurism. The only Eden for basketball was in Naismith’s mind, when he first thought of it. From the moment the boys tried playing it, fighting broke out and rules had to be revised. Shortly the promoters and gamblers took it over. Fortunately Naismith and some other good men shepherded part of it in another direction. But outside Eden life is a dog fight between those that love a thing and those that wish to debase it just to make a little more money. There is never a decisive winner, or loser, except when the good guys give up.
Rock Chalk!!!
@jaybate-1.0 Well, I knew I could count on you! Excellent history lesson!
@jaybate-1-0
To add to your review of Wilt during his tenure at KU from '55 to '58 , I witnessed much of that time. As a graduate of Topeka High School in 1958, I had the opportunity to be at his first varsity game vs. Northwestern when he scored his career high of 52 points, his NCAA championship game against North Carolina at the old municipal auditorium in Kansas City and numerous other games during that time frame. Additionally, during his off time, he was frequently in Topeka at various locations of "extracurricular activity". During his last two years at KU, he drove a new Cadillac Eldorado convertible. I'm sure he had a great summer job!!
No change in prestons status after over 2 days. Yeah this isn't good
I don't expect Preston to play an actual game in a KU uniform. Ever.
Silvio is required now.
The car being registered in Florida is a big concern. :/
Uggggggggggggggggggggggggggh
Assuming Billy’s mother bought the car for him, the financing info is in her hands. It will take time to get that to KU, verify she has adequate income and (I’ll bet) search her financial records to make certain no one fronted the money or inappropriately co-signed a note. This all takes time.
Anyone know what year/make/model he was driving?
Heard a rumor that he is done for the year and there will be an announcement on it before tomorrow's game.
@Gorilla72 yes what type of car was it? We know now it was registered in Florida. I'm a little worried it could be cliff 2.0.
@Crimsonorblue22 Seems to be circulating, have heard it from more than one person. I think there is validity to it unfortunately.
Getting Cunliffe after the ASU game is even bigger now, really just need another remotely playable guy. Then best hope it works out with Silvio (which it should).
Eh just passing it on. Has Self said that recently? The more recent comments from him don't seem great tbh.
We will see I suppose. Obviously it would be better if he could play, like I said I think this has a lot of substance.
@Crimsonorblue22 Self said that today in an interview, highly doubt he'd comment in that tone. If it's being announced tomorrow Self likely would've already known and wouldn't have BS'd us like that.
That was from before this rumor started circulating. I really don't care about being right or wrong just passing it along. At this point if he suits up for KU I will be pleasantly surprised.
I dont think Self said he was confident Billy would be cleared. I believe he said the matter would be resolved sooner than later... That does not mean clearance. Resolved is finished.. either way. Must be careful about words. They are tricky things. One extra or one missing.... And then those damn ones that have multiple meanings
In today's speak, I think Coach Self is being pragmatic and attempting to manage expectations. He has noticeably dropped the "confident" word which connoted a likely positive outcome (from November 15) and instead is focused on a 'resolution' - which may or may not be in Billy's favor. Regardless of outcome, I will not feel "led on"...these situations tend to take on a life of their own and change directions with chameleon like speed.
Dwight Colby would be on the court now instead of Mitch.
There has to be some big Juco hack that we could plug in for 8-10 a game if this situation goes south. Somewhere. We could get him a car or something.
@HighEliteMajor or silvio
@HighEliteMajor "We could get him a car or something." Heck yes; there is a popular model positioned right now, out in the parking lot of the men's dorm. Just a wee bit of body work, and it is up and running for our next Big.
Coach Self said...We are going to prepare as if we are not going to have him and it would be a bonus if he is available...or words to that effect. Sounds to me like he is not too optimistic.
How stupid would it be to drive a flashy car not obtained on the up and up and think it will not attract attention? Aren’t these high prospects and their families instructed extensively on what not to do so the status is not jeopardized? SMH.
If I recall correctly, Darnell Jackson was given an older truck and some money as a present from someone that had been a long time family friend and mentor. Darnell had to sit a few games and repay the money.
If Billy is found ineligible, would he leave school immediately or stay and finish his first year? Would he be eligible for a scholarship if he is found ineligible? What an effin’ mess.
@JayHawkFanToo If I remember rightly from the Jackson and Selby situations, anything over $1000 in impermissible benefits is a 9 game suspension and pay back.
From the information we have, that is the worst thing that could happen to Preston.
JayHawkFanToo said:
Coach Self said...We are going to prepare as if we are not going to have him and it would be a bonus if he is available...or words to that effect. Sounds to me like he is not too optimistic.
How stupid would it be to drive a flashy car not obtained on the up and up and think it will not attract attention? Aren’t these high prospects and their families instructed extensively on what not to do so the status is not jeopardized? SMH.
How stupid? very.
But this is Preston we are talking about. It was a miracle he was even eligible.
wouldn't be a season without a big man messing it up
BShark said:
I don't expect Preston to play an actual game in a KU uniform. Ever.
Silvio is required now.
Man I agree. I'm sure starting to get that feeling. - Some people remark are just insane. - -A poster off the LJW under Billy status unchanged says that lots of kids get cars when they go to school which is - - - -True Then he says Billy is innocent of anything which is - - -who the hell knows - Then the statement of the decade he says - -ready ? - - -wait - -wait - - he says that KU/Self I guess is just trying to mess with Billy's stats. - -LMAO - - KU is trying to mess with Billy's stats? - - - What? - - trying to mess with Billy's stats - -playing time.
OMG - -Seriously? - -that's the best defense this guy has? - -KU is messing with Billy's stats? - - Who gives a rats as about Billy's stats? Were talking about the possibility even in the slightest about Billy's eligibility, him possibly again I say possibly receiving impermissible benefits. So my question to this Einstein is - - So what KU just suppose to go ahead and play Billy not worry about anything as to where this late model dodge Charger came from - so it doesn't mess with Billy's Stats?
If it's Billy car, possible bought by his mom - -then great, all they have to do is provide the proof that she bought it for him right? seems pretty simple, OR GOD forbid was it given to him by someone outside the family? -I'm not saying that happen - -but this is one of the things compliance has to find out right?
We go ahead and play Billy now and then on down the line they find out Billy was ineligible and we get stripped of anything we may win? - -I'll rather try and get through this to find things out.
Good chance it's nothing - something simply BUT that's what protocol is all about, steps have to be followed NOT just some bullshit about OH KU is just messin with Billy's stats - what the hell?
This guy doesn't think KU - -Coach Self - -doesn't want/need Billy on the court? - Billy's decisions are not just effecting him - -he is effecting the entire team with these decisions. !st missing curfew, then deciding not to go to class/ now the car. - But alias, it all clear now KU - -Coach Self are just wanting to mess with Billy's stats/playing time - Case settled lmao.
Like you, 1st we wanted De-Sousa here soon for depth, NOW we need him here soon, were going to be in the same position with depth now, but no longer a want - but a NEED. We really need De-Sousa her and quick. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BAY
How does one explain the Florida plates? That’s the hold up for me. A Charger isn’t extravagant; I believe he could’ve legitimately come across one. I hope it all checks out, but if not KU will hold him out until the NCAA clears him and they may never clear him. I hope KU doesn’t get a rep as throwing the kids under the bus. I feel they are being cautious, but others may paint it in a different light.
@Gorilla72 Agreed. - -things I have seen/read is though actually supposedly his mom is pretty financially stable, I guess makes pretty nice income - -But this is what needs to be found out. - This would be the ideal situation I think - -Mom DID buy the car straight up - -just takes time for her to get the proof to the school. Even with that being said though you would think she could fax that information to the compliance office in rather quick fashion to prove that she indeed bought the car.- - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@Gorilla72 All I saw was that it was a late model Dodge Charger. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
dylans said:
How does one explain the Florida plates? That’s the hold up for me. A Charger isn’t extravagant; I believe he could’ve legitimately come across one. I hope it all checks out, but if not KU will hold him out until the NCAA clears him and they may never clear him. I hope KU doesn’t get a rep as throwing the kids under the bus. I feel they are being cautious, but others may paint it in a different light.
If they have cheaper taxes there that is the only thing that makes sense.
This is Billy's car, he does own it. KU has even stated that much. And we know his mom is not starving for money at all, far from it. That is my one glimmer of hope.
BShark said:
Heard a rumor that he is done for the year and there will be an announcement on it before tomorrow's game.
DAMN, isn't that so special - - doesn't surprise me if this is the case. I'm telling you the streak of these occurances is really starting to be a real pain.
Man I really hate to say it BUT our season our hopes for making a real push in the NCAA'S this year if this is the case just took a KO hit.
Not because Billy so super multi talented BUT strictly because of Depth issues, when it come to it we come up against any kind of team in the Tourney with big quality depth, Doke has done really good this year read where he only has 5 personals on the year being able to stay out of foul trouble but for instance we come up against a Duke with the height and talent not going to be good I'm afraid - - Strictly because no depth period on the frontline.
Like you said earlier, I don't think now we will see Billy play ever again in a uniform at KU - if he is done for the year -he is gone at the end of the year - well he was going to be gone anyways probably but you know what I mean.
We have just GOT to get Silvio De-Sousa here soon now - -no longer a desire but a need a bad need, - -soon. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
you can lease a brand new charger for $300/month, so maybe Billy just isn't spending his money on tattoos
Say it ain’t so Billy!
I will say again he does OWN the car, so def not renting.
HighEliteMajor said:
There has to be some big Juco hack that we could plug in for 8-10 a game if this situation goes south. Somewhere. We could get him a car or something.
LMAO " we could get him a car or something " - - now you stop that lol. - BUT ya hit the JUCO quick - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
REHawk said:
@HighEliteMajor "We could get him a car or something." Heck yes; there is a popular model positioned right now, out in the parking lot of the men's dorm. Just a wee bit of body work, and it is up and running for our next Big.
All it needs possibly from what I read was a couple of new tires. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
If they were temp tags, the car could have been bought in FL and given temp tags to get the buyer to wherever is home. Lots and lots of "Irma Specials" out there!
@JayHawkFanToo I would think if Billy was found ineligible out for the year, wouldn't surprise me if he left. - -Why? - -Cause he was only here for a year anyways chances are more then not this kind of thing is getting old really fast. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I don't buy that it takes 3 days to find out exactly what is happening in this situation.
@BeddieKU23 I hope and think we find out something today either way.
Teams need to get ahead of this type of stuff. If a guy is clearly a one and done the coaches should ask for and verify what type of car the player will bring on campus. The coaches know the kids family financial situations and they only manage 12 players.
BeddieKU23 said:
Didn't they say they were preparing without him. Even if its cleared up, the prep for the game has been done without him so he's essentially out of the game plan anyway.
This is the risk of Preston coming full circle. Thanks Deandre Ayton
I don't care about how it impacts today's game tbh, just want to know officially either way.
BigBad said:
Teams need to get ahead of this type of stuff. If a guy is clearly a one and done the coaches should ask for and verify what type of car the player will bring on campus. The coaches know the kids family financial situations and they only manage 12 players.
Pictured below, KU coaches
![alt text](!<a href="https://i.imgur.com/sugcDJC.jpg" target="_blank" rel="noopener">0_1510925808219_upload-cd670078-9a59-42bb-8305-60aba6e5aa6a ↗</a> image url)
@BeddieKU23 Even with only X number of games, can he actually get through X without getting into more trouble? So far, unsuccessful (where X=only 1) in that dept.
The good news is we can get away with playing Mitch more against a lot of the upcoming teams.
BShark said:
The good news is we can get away with playing Mitch more against a lot of the upcoming teams.
I would love to say something positive to that fact. Well I'll just say he can only improve if given more minutes? That's the best I can find
He isn't terrible on defense. So games like this where our guards should run circles around them I feel we can get away with him more!
Yeah he's made some defensive contributions but he doesn't rebound with any aggression which is concerning given the type of player he is that wants to be a high energy type guy. The bar was already low in my opinion from an expectations point but right now he needs to step up and play well. No excuse
@BeddieKU23 Agree and I do think this is a game where he can shine, especially relative to UK. SDSU can shoot but they can't defend the ball one bit. They play with a slow pace and still have bad defensive numbers. So Mitch doesn't have to do anything offensively, not really.
Yeah tonight could be one of those games for him. Especially at home where its easier for him to find comfort. I hope for a positive contribution from him tonight. The biggest thing he could do is if he's guarding Daum, to make shots difficult and not foul. That would be a big win for him in my book
I think we will put Vick and Garrett on Daum, gotta make him work. He isn't really a post player.
I would trust Garrett on Daum. His length and smarts would at least make the shots difficult
Yeah, I'm sure Self has drilled them on guarding the 3 line. Force them to get by you and make athletic plays. They actually have a lot of size but, finesse bigs.
Yep. It's a trap game for sure. I think KU wins by about 10-12 but it can definitely be a scary game if things go poorly.
To be fair the team they beat in their last wouldn't have beaten our exhibition foe's. Alabama St wouldn't score 30 against KU. South Dakota St isn't an athletic bunch, Daum is a big guy and he's not going to beat you off the dribble. We have no choice but to play Doke on someone and if its not Daum then I don't know who because their only other big guy only plays 15 minutes a game. But Doke can't sit in the lane like he did against Kentucky and that's going to be a problem. They will run screen actions to get him open outside. So I'm really interested in how Self scouted for this game without Preston who would be on paper the best option to cover him. Either you stick with Doke and let Daum get his and focus the rest on limiting Jenkins or you put someone quicker and smaller on him and Doke is forced to cover somebody else.
This matchup for South Dakota St only works if they make everything from 3 and KU misses shots like they did Tuesday.
@BeddieKU23 Agree with a lot of this. Aaaand I don't think KU misses nearly as many shots. A lot of that was because they weren't super great looks against UK because UK is long and athletic.
I think the biggest risk is our guys fouling while guarding the 3 ptr, or fouling on pick and rolls when the 3 is being guarded adequately. Particularly for Svi.
@BeddieKU23 The best part of Garrett's defensive game is that he makes it hard for the other team to get the ball to his man in the first place. On him like glue the entire time, head swiveling around tracking the ball to stay in position.
@HawkChamp I think the question is who paid for it. The more I find out though, the more I think being done for the year might not happen. If it's improper benefits or w/e it could just be like a 9 game suspension or so. I hope we find out officially soon.
So, after the recruiting wait was over, now we go through a waiting period of anxiety over someone we previously waited for to become a Jayhawk. Seems like we are never settled!
mayjay said:
So, after the recruiting wait was over, now we go through a waiting period of anxiety over someone we previously waited for to become a Jayhawk. Seems like we are never settled!
That about sums it up.
DanR said:
you can lease a brand new charger for $300/month, so maybe Billy just isn't spending his money on tattoos
PHOF
It's been a shell game the entire time. It's not about the car...but what's inside the car!!!
!0_1510943724621_upload-11acceb3-491c-4b4e-bd68-2a698de01f47 ↗
@JayHawkFanToo In my experience, leased cars are registered and tagged in the state of the lessee (renter), not the lessor (owner).
Billy has lived in California, Texas and Virginia while attending assorted prep schools; I don't believe he qualifies as a Kansas resident. I seem to remember but I am not sure his mom lives in Texas but it is possible she is now in Florida. If a car was leased, it would have been done by his mom since Billy most certainly would not qualify.
At one time I looked at car leases in Florida for my dad and remember looking at some really great deal that I could not dream in Kansas; Florida has much lower taxes than most states; in fact, Florida has no state income tax and this is why many high earning athletes reside there since they can save literally millions...but then Texas does not have income tax either while Kansas just raised the state income tax...retroactively...I bet the explanation will be a doozie.:smiley:
DanR said:
@BeddieKU23 The best part of Garrett's defensive game is that he makes it hard for the other team to get the ball to his man in the first place. On him like glue the entire time, head swiveling around tracking the ball to stay in position.
Which is why I think Marcus would be a good option guarding him on the perimeter. We have no idea how good he'd do in the post area but in HS he said he guarded Centers. Daum does have post moves and at 250 pounds any guard no matter how good defensively is going to struggle trying to stop a guy from putting his big body on you. We'll see what happens. I know Doke is going to struggle trying to guard him outside
@JayHawkFanToo I only leased one car. I lived in Virginia. It was owned by World Omni of Florida. Tags and registration, and insurance, were all my responsibility. They keep the title, but no liability (unlike a landlord it seems).
Billy might have been given the car by his Mom. He can register it where he lives (KS) or back home, I believe. I always left my car registrations back in KS when I was a student in Michigan and in the Army in Virginia because KS prop tax was lower.
We looked at houses in FL this past weekend and will probably move there when wifey retires--16 and 1/2 months and counting down. Lack of income tax is a big factor, and will get bigger if the tax bills get passed eliminating deducting S/L (&Prop) taxes. SC rate on everything above about $1600 is 7%. Exemption for $3000 of retirement, big whoop.
Anyway, as I said before, it is probably not signif that the tags were from FL if they were temporary. Just reflects the locale where the sale took place or origin of the car. My brother bought my car and I let him keep the tags to drive home to Illinois, but usually the seller keeps the old tags to avoid liability until the buyer gets titled in their own state. SC would have given us temp tags, but it was a weekend. I think many states now let people get a temp license on the internet that you can show if stopped, but people say driving without tags can be a pain b/c cops look for that first.
Billy's mom was pretty annoyed on twitter. She seems sure that the car is used and completely legal. Also that Billy has a proper license. Mentioned that she didn't realize she had to register the car with the school.
If all this is the case I'm not sure how this has not been cleared up.
She also mentioned the car is a pretty old model. Maybe a hurricane damaged car bought on the cheapy cheap?
His drivers license is valid! I didn't register his older model USED, LEGAL car with the school..didn't know I had to.
From Billy's mom. I believe her
Something smells fishy about this ordeal. Otherwise, the coaching staff, which seems obviously highly concerned about the situation with our Bigs, would have pushed Compliance to get this cleared up pronto. Bill Self looks to be wary about the situation; would rather hold Billy out and move slowly than find the program's reputation and wins in jeopardy after having played the kid. Gotta be more to it than a simple matter of registration and clearance, car and family.
For instance, how did the car get to Lawrence from Florida? Did BIlly's missing curfew have something to do with this vehicle? If all is as simple as twitter posting would appear to indicate, then we will see this recruit in action tonight. Me, I am growing weary of fishy or obfuscating social media postings.
On the other hand if I was a talented freshman player who was offered a free education, room and board, I'd probably leap at the first opportunity to apply my monthly athletes' stipend to the maintenance and fuel tank of a set of wheels. This current investigation must be highly frustrating for all concerned....
He has to register/get a parking permit and get a sticker so he wants to park on campus on school parking lots.
The reason he missed a class is because when missed curfew he had to park his car illegally and had to go move it the next morning. Related?
@JayHawkFanToo I thought he missed curfew cause he had to move his car. Not sure why that matters.
What would fall be without some drama regarding one of our players? Anyone wonder if Self is slipping in his recruitment of players? I know we have a stellar class coming but this is an ongoing problem here, now. Too many bad headlines. Year after year. Character matters and I'm wondering if it doesn't matter as much for Bill Self? I've always thought it mattered a lot. I've always thought we run a pretty tight ship here and we're not like those other teams. I sure don't want others to start thinking of KU as a school with a shady rep. Because if we become that, my own fandom takes a hit. I believe strongly in right and wrong. I take pride in cheering for good guys who don't finish last. Don't wreck it for us Coach!
FWIW, Billy Preston is in uniform and warming up with rest of the team.
@Crimsonorblue22 :+1:
Yep my sources just broke word Billy will play tonight.
So we good fam?
kjayhawks said:
Yep my sources just broke word Billy will play tonight.
Is this 100%? - -hope so get this over with. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Looks like the lawsons are all also suited up and in warm ups - may be nothing
Ya just read, Lawsons and Moore are also in uniform too soooo that was a blow - dam - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@kjayhawks who are your sources?
Preston more likely then not playing, they just talked to Greg Gurly, he said as of 3 hours ago, coach said unless something changes in the next three hours - umm probably not. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@jayballer54 yep false alarm
He was late, missed curfew and could not park his car in a valid space (at the new dorm) and had to park it illegally elsewhere; I will guess that the parking lot closes at curfew time. He had to go move the car the next day to a valid parking space and missed a class.
The point being that if he has an assigned parking spot at the new dorm, then his car is probably registered with KU.
@JayHawkFanToo I don't think the lot closes
I don't know that either but I know that to park in a KU parking lot on an ongoing basis you have to have a parking permit which requires registering the car...unless you are using the spaces with coin meters which would be highly impractical.
Just trying to make sense of the whole situation.
@jayballer54 guess it's incorrect because clay is in
@wissox I take it you were a kid that probably didn't get in trouble in college. If you read any of the past players notes about Coach Self before his induction, almost every player talked of how he influenced them off the court as well as on the court. Look no further than Frank Mason. Even if they do get in some trouble I believe most turned their lives around.
@Crimsonorblue22 I didn't get in trouble in college! But, that only means.....
...us high "conduct IQ" people figure out how not to get caught!
The parking nazis quit at some point in the evening 10 or 12. And start back up at 8 I think, thus the need to move the car in the morning. The lots are over sold so if he was out late (broke curfew so that’s a safe bet) all the spots were likely full. Not an uncommon problem. Billy’s problem was being out too late and then not getting up early enough to take care of business compounding the issue.
Bill Self is not screwing with a kid's head (and future earnings) because of a simple parking problem. Preston's situation runs deeper than parking/vehicle registration. By now, after 3 sittings, the "situation" had best be cleared up satisfactorily by Billy and family...or we've got another Alexander deal on our hands, with no positive resolution.
@JayHawkFanToo Apart from using a lot with a parking permit, supposedly Athletic Department policy is that all athletes register cars. So, either Preston did not register it with the Department, or he did and the Department abjectly failed to determine whether it was legit at the time. Either way, it's a problem. And, as others have noted, it doesn't take a week to figure who owns the car and who paid for it. Clearly more going on...
As far as I know/remember, to get a perking pass all you had to do is show your DL, provide the car brand, model, color and tag number and prove you were a student; proof of ownership of the car was not needed or required. I imagine with athletes it might be somewhat different.
Guys, there is a smoking GUN! This bit about a parking permit might reference the trigger. But the bullet ain't just floating about in space.
Each day passing makes me feel like the percentage that Billy will never play in a Kansas game grows.
This is not a case where we are waiting on the NCAA for an action. The process is all within our compliance program. This is starting to feel like a situation not so different than what we had with Alexander relating to a "family loan."
We put all of this blood, sweat and tears in our program, including huge financial investments and a compliance program second to none... yet here is the case of a player driving around on campus with a "questionable" vehicle.
The next step we really, really have to make is to put all our players on some kind of chaperone system. I know we might take a mild recruiting hit for a while, but why not SELL this system to players' parents? It seems like many of the parents would LOVE to send their child to a school where they will be carefully watched after.
I think the longer this drags points to our compliance sending the findings to the ncaa. We reported what was found and I'm sure if it was nothing he would have been eligible to play Friday. We are just waiting for the ncaa hammer at this point in my opinion
@BeddieKU23 I agree. This situation reminds me of Darnell and Selby: I imagine a 9 game suspension and pay back the impermissible benefits.
Unless the car came courtesy of an agent or runner, in which case ineligibility is on the table à la Cliff Alexander.
Is Perry Ellis the best big man ever recruited by Coach Self?
The easy answer is Joel Embiid but he had relatively no impact at Kansas.
Landon Lucas was a solid role player but never had the athleticism although he made for it with his heart. Aldrich was soft but maybe the second best big man at KU under Self. And my third pick is between TRob and Marcus Morris.
JayHawkFanToo said:
As far as I know/remember, to get a perking pass all you had to do is show your DL, provide the car brand, model, color and tag number and prove you were a student; proof of ownership of the car was not needed or required. I imagine with athletes it might be somewhat different.
You just have to pay the fee for the sticker, at least when I was there. Different colors depending on where you needed to park. One color for the resident hall parking lots, one for West Campus, and one for on campus parking lots. I never had to show a DL or anything else other than saying which sticker I needed and a method of payment.
@jhawk7782 Excluding Embiid, the best big man at KU that Self recruited was TRob, in my book. He was the most dominant. Had he stayed his 4th season, I'm sure it would have been much like his 3rd. I'd go 1) TRob, 2) Marcus Morris, 3) Arthur, 4) Aldrich, 5) Withey, all before Ellis (assuming Withey qualifies as "recruited").
ParisHawk said:
@BeddieKU23 I agree. This situation reminds me of Darnell and Selby: I imagine a 9 game suspension and pay back the impermissible benefits.
Unless the car came courtesy of an agent or runner, in which case ineligibility is on the table à la Cliff Alexander.
I could see it being 9 games but I believe the amount of games is dependent on how much the benefit was. In this case a car could be a significant amount of improper benefits received which could make it more then 9 games. The only good thing is that any further suspension if it goes that route should incorporate the games he has already been withheld for this situation.
I'd love to think this was just some mixup but it's certainly not being lead on as such.
One of the reasons TRob was so good is because he had Withey guarding the basket. Withey is very underrated, he is not only the best shot blocker of the bunch but he altered even more shots and when he blocked shots he usually sent the ball towards another KU player resulting in KU getting possession of the ball.
