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A really good slate of games. Nova had a close game with Western Kentucky. Arizona lost to nc state. Wichita State and Notre Dame should be fantastic.

Welp. Up to #2.

@KirkIsMyHinrich assuming we get a w on friday

That's true, I'll wait until after Friday's game.

I'm going with Shockers by 7 tonight.

What does everyone think of the PK80 Nike tournament? I think it's a little much this early in the season.

@kjayhawks maybe but the matchup possibilities are great. Kind of a march feel with all these tournaments. I like it - wish we were in one...

@HawkChamp I enjoy when we play in these early season tournaments. This years hoop hall invitational is kinda a joke with 3 campus games vs nobody's and playing Syracuse in Florida. I've told my wife when we retire we are gonna go to the Maui tournament one year when KU is in it, if it's still around. Kinda odd that we haven't played in the NIT since Roy was here. Idk if that's Selfs deal or the NIT favoring Nike schools.

Here's a link to the early season tournaments for everyone, some have already been completed.
http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2017-11-10/your-complete-guide-college-basketballs-early-season ↗

Seth and JWill both picked Notre Dame. This is a tough one for me. I'd say if Notre Dame shoots it well they will probably win but if not, Marsha wins.

Frankamp is already pretty close to a horseshoe. He's got an impressive combover for a 23 year old.

Wichita State plays really good defense. That is their main weapon in March. Definitely looks like an elite contender this season.

WSU just out hustles big name schools, they get 90% of the loose balls, they rebound well. That's why there a match up nightmare. Nothing to do with talent, they just work every second, I think the Cal first half was the only WSU game I've watched in recent years where they didn't out scrap the other team.

One team plays defense, the other team shoots 3's. WSU is a better version of the WVU team that beat ND in the tournament last season.

BTW check out Frank on ESPN right now.

Wichita State is a solid team with no major weaknesses; Frankamp is playing well.

Arizona losing was a surprise. Ayton went off for 27 points and 14 rebounds and Trier also had 27 points, the rest of the team had 30 points combined.

Go Irish! Win by 1!

Wichita pulled a huge choke job there. Had numerous opportunities - that miss on the front end free throw was the difference.

I can’t believe they let ND steal the ball on the inbound that got them within one.

Wichoka St Horribly played down the stretch jacking up poor shot after poor shot. I thought it was interesting to see Mike Brey wearing shorts on the ND sideline!

I went to bed with 12 mins. or so left and WSU seemed in control. They really impressed me up to that point. I can't believe they lost.

@JayHawkFanToo That inbounds play under the basket was a thing of beauty Self could have scripted.

So Arizona lost to NC State which is awesome.

BUT OMG LOOK AT ALL THESE FIVE STARS ON THE BENCH FOR AZ. THE WHALE DOESN'T PLAY HIS FIVE STARS. PLEASE EMBARGO HIM. Kthx.

@mayjay

Didn't Larry Bird steal one like that in a playoff game?

@JayHawkFanToo

Yes, he did...

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BShark said:

So Arizona lost to NC State which is awesome.

BUT OMG LOOK AT ALL THESE FIVE STARS ON THE BENCH FOR AZ. THE WHALE DOESN'T PLAY HIS FIVE STARS. PLEASE EMBARGO HIM. Kthx.

-And today, NC State loses to Northern Iowa. Big let-down by NC State...

Just watched Arkansas - -Oklahoma , pretty good game. I'll just say this. I'll give credit where credit is due, & Trey Young is legit. Some really sweet passes, they say he is leading the Nation in asst avg like 11.5 a game right now.

With that being said looks to me like a Buddy Hield /Oklahoma part 2. -maybe a little better, think Trey a lot better passer, but I'll say this - Trey is going to cost Oklahoma some games too, especially early. - Taking some of his near 1/2 court shots in crunch time - some forces Again Trey is legit - the rest I'm not overly concerned about - -solid team but not a great team. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

WKU up on #18 Purdue bye 11 at the half with Coleby getting 2 quick fouls and a non factor. Purdue was upset by Tennessee yesterday.

@kjayhawks starting to wonder about Purdue being overrated.

@HawkChamp It looks that way but often times even the early polls reflect what the most think the team will be later it the year. Kinda like UK, they ain't playing like a top 10 team early but easily could be in march.

Seen OU went down to Arkansas 92-83 Young had 28. He almost has been a one man band early for them.

Watching some really bad games tonight, maybe just me but these games are or what seems to me really ugly. - -Texas/ Butler at the half 22-19 Texas - -Texas does not impress me at least not in this game, careless passes, horrible shot selections - Both teams really.

K-State/Arizona State horrible game out of control running ragged up and down the floor - -what the hell is wrong with these guys? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

So.... K-State and OU go down. West Virginia is up at the half and starting to turn their season around (?). Oklahoma State barely pulls it out. Baylor beats a good Creighton team. Texas beats Butler. Texas Tech beats a weaker Wofford team by 26. I know it’s early but the Big 12 seems to be shaping up as voted pre-season. Anyone see surprises out there?

No offense to Young Trey...but when he faces equal or greater talent, will he or can he take his game up a level? We shall see. We all know he's good and 'legit,' but can he find consistency? I think comparing him to Buddy is too illegit.

Arizona struggling, just lost their second game in a row. Looks like a two man team with Trier and Ayton.

Watching the first half of Michigan state and DePaul. DePaul has missed so many layups and shots at the rim - should be up seven.

Honestly, Michigan State looks a lot like they did when we beat them last year. Given that we add another big, we can play with them, no question. Some in the media think they are above us - I'm not sold on that.

HawkChamp said:

Arizona struggling, just lost their second game in a row. Looks like a two man team with Trier and Ayton.

Which is pretty crazy considering they are loaded with 4/5*. Not sure exactly what to make of this. Also man...if we had Ayton... :(

@truehawk93 I said this somewhere else, I think Young shows your typical immaturity right now. - -He may be able to keep you in some games BUT looks to me like he can sure play you out of a game. - -Jacks up some very questionable shots. I can't believe a Coach would want him shooting some of those shots constantly - I mean he is jacking some up barely past half court. - -He is good, BUT like you say I think he is gonna struggle some against equal or better talent.

I think what they have is a Buddy H. team part 2. - Only difference is Young might be a better passer - -probably about the same scoring wise - not right now but he will be - -close now. - -Not to worried about them. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 its small sample size, and they play different positions. BH may not be the best comparison.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/trae-young-1.html ↗

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/buddy-hield-1.html ↗

3genhawk said:

@jayballer54 its small sample size, and they play different positions. BH may not be the best comparison.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/trae-young-1.html ↗

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/buddy-hield-1.html ↗

Ya probably not the best comparision, just going more off their scoring capability - -But watching Young just saying that I think he can shoot you right out of a game as he did the other night, in crunch time he was launching shots from near mid court -forcing things on conjuested drives - -I will say this he can make some sweet passes though. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

It really is both frustrating and baffling to watch Roy. He couldn't won a championship to save his life at KU, and now he has three. He had some great opportunities too but fell short. Ugghhh

That being said, UNC looks like a final four team and one seed material.

@HawkChamp true story. It's irritating. And they do look pretty solid now. Maye is a force

Alabama and Sexton (10 pts) beat BYU today. Tomorrow, AL faces it's first true test of the year in Minnesota, also undefeated. Should be a good one.

Not trying to jinx Texas here, but they look pretty good against Duke early on. I'm not sure if I'd take Bagley or Bamba if asked to pick.

Duke is gonna lose, we are going to win and come Monday we will be #1.

@approxinfinity Sure hope Tripper and Puke does lose. But not sure we want to be number one at this stage of the season. Puts a God awful lot of extra pressure on the kids. We have a huge target on our back already just because of the name on the jersey.

Kerwin Roach just posterized Duke. Awesome!!!

Dunk was amazing.

Luke Maye reminds me of Nick Collison a bit.

I'M telling you Texas is no dog. - - They gonna be tough, they for sure aren't going to lay down for us.

The thing that concerns me is, we are going to have big matchup problems on the inside with them. I mean Doke can take one but who is taking the other. - - That Sobeski or however you spell his name is really put together - really built - you put Doke on him - then who is taking Bamba?

They are going to be a challenge - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Watching them piss this one away is painful.

For 34 minutesthey dominated on the inside. Shredded Dukes awful interior D. And then they start jacking up 3s and let Duke back inthe game.

@approxinfinity Texas trying to snatch defeat out of the jaws of Victory. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Mohammed Mohammed Bamba! :notes: Moooohammed Bamba.... :notes:

Fouled Out.

Jack Tripper Jr fouled out. OT. Hopefully Shaka can extract craniums from posteriors.

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Arizonaaaaaa

Hahahahahaha

Damn Young from Oklahoma went off for 43 points against Oregon today - -kid is a player. Having said that I think he can win you some games and he will lose you some with his shot selection. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

North Carolina is playing like Bill Walton commentates.

@KirkIsMyHinrich Roy needs to retire!

I'll pass that message on to Roy for you.

Duke-Florida is looking the the Duke-Texas game early on. Hopefully Florida can finish.

Florida has practically zero size inside. Basically all guards. The team that will beat Duke must have inside outside balance, otherwise it is a mismatchup.

Duke started making 3's too (now 7-12). I don't know if any team can beat Duke when they are making their 3's.

But Florida is certainly giving it the old college try.

@KirkIsMyHinrichyou could say that about several teams, but they aren't a good shooting team other than Gracie. Cover him and pack in the paint.

That was kind of my point. Duke has made eight 3's and only three of them have been from Allen.

West Virginia just did to Missouri what KU did to them last season. Down 16 point with 7 minutes left, by 12 with under 5 minutes and started to apply that pressure we have seen it before and steals the game and wins by 4. The refs tried to help MU with 2 bad foul calls in the last minute but MU could not capitalize. Good win for the conference.

@JayHawkFanToo I was just thinking that. KU with the assist.

@KirkIsMyHinrich

I hate that WVU press but I have to admit that I enjoyed it watching Missouri getting beat by it.

Florida is hanging tough. They aren't big like Texas, but they do have much better guards who can make shots. We'll see if that helps them down the stretch.

Florida looks to be one of the toughest teams to guard in the country. They have fully adopted the Golden State model - run, gun and spread the floor. Really, really good team. Pretty good defensively too even though they are very short.

Between A&M, Florida, and Kentucky the SEC race could be pretty interesting this season. If Porter was healthy potentially Mizzou as well. As Kansas plays Kentucky and A&M this season I'm hoping one of those teams wins the SEC.

Bagley is a load inside but has missed a bunch of shots from right around the basket. With his height advantage he should be hitting at least 70% but he is under 50%.

Florida is trying to give this game away by not taking the shot clock down and dumb fouls on passes.

Deja Vu

Duke just got away with an offensive foul under the Florida basket.

Thank God the game was stopped to add 3 tenths of a second.

And dumb ball handling. And not making foul shots. And not rebounding or blocking out.

Grrr!

Florida got very conservative in the second half and choked it away. Why they didn't double Bagley and Carter every time is a mystery. Also some sloppy turnovers. Florida played not to lose and it showed.

@mayjay Florida lost, Duke did not win.

Nice finish by Duke, but Florida gave the game away. Texas gave the game away, too.

Just a bunch of bad decisions by Florida at the end. Standing around dribbling and no ball movement when they got ahead big. Then missed free throws to put them ahead. Texas did the same thing. With our FULL compliment of players, when can compete with Puke in March. Double Bagley and Carter every time, dont let them shoot three foot shots. Cover Gracie and send five to the glass every time. Folks, they aren't Kentucky in 2015 good. Florida is better and only lost when they stalled.

@HawkChamp Defintely looked different. Gave up the outside shots. Duke made all the FTs given them from the foul-fest.

JayHawkFanToo said:

Duke just got away with an offensive foul under the Florida basket.

I find their fouls very offensive, but? After a reb?

Carter should have had his 5th foul on that one. Wouldn't wanna play any of the final four teams in the PK80 if the tournament was today.(maybe unc... Depends on the day). Good news is that can change. The tournament is not today 😋

@cragarhawk we don't even have all our players yet!

@mayjay

My Sling ESPN runs 30-40 seconds behind so you are probably thinking of a different play. I was referring to the Duke player driving, shoving the defender out of the way and feeding Bagley for the score.

@HawkChamp which is part of why I said not today. We will see if that changes or not. Many unanswered ? Right now

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Duke started making 3's too (now 7-12). I don't know if any team can beat Duke when they are making their 3's.

I hear you. Duke is going to be really tough. - - I can't stand Trippy McTripperson but the kid can drain the 3.

Just a pretty hard mix - -I mean stopping Bagley, really fluid, for sure all the hype on him was the real deal - which I pretty well already knew.

So someone help me out cause I don't know - -what is there weakness? - or do they really have one. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@JayHawkFanToo I was trying to be funny because I thought Duke's offensive fouls were generally under their own basket. But it was late, I am old, and it isn't wildly amusing, is it? :thumbsdown:

@KirkIsMyHinrich Agree, it's even doubly true with Duke. They are so good inside. Their only real shooting threat is Tripper. So if Tripper is making threes or...even worse some of their other guys are hitting threes just forget about it.

Also wow UNC...didn't break 50... MSU is tough to deal with.

Boy that was some collapse by Florida.

Florida is very similar to KU, 4 guard offense. Not a ton of post players but they have options. They score easy and make 3's. Dangerous team when things are clicking. They have not defended well and against Duke they certainly let them back in it.

UNC was exposed a ton against Michigan St. Obviously if you don't make shots it looks worse.

Gonzaga is better then I thought they would be especially this early.

Arizona misses Alkins badly. They will be so much better with him in the lineup. Ayton is absurdly talented. Imagine that pairing with Doke. PG play to me is the reason they are not good right now. At the same time they don't look like a team that wants to play together right now. It's the Trier and Ayton show for the scouts and nobody else

Purdue is still a very tough team when they make shots efficiently.

How good is Arizona St? Asking because we play them soon. Put a whooping on Xavier and got 91 points from 4 guards! 91 of their 102 from guards. The posts played 50+ minutes and had 11 points combined. I didn't expect that at all.

@BeddieKU23 Actually, Florida collapsed twice. They also let Duke climb back into the game after being down 14 after just a few minutes into the first half. I stopped watching then, and started again almost an hour later when I saw Florida up by 14 with 12 to go in the 2nd.

It should count as two losses.

The scary thing about the Shockers is their depth. I think they go like 12 deep. Marsha plays them all. He has a lot of fouls to give and options to change the flow of the game.

@mayjay

Good point. It was a bad loss. I know we would be really upset if that was KU that blew the lead against them. The difference maker for Duke is Bagley. Duval has also been an upgrade for them at the PG position but without Bagley this team would be similar to last season's squad. Because of Bagley Tripper can pick and choose which games he chooses to show up for.

DoubleDD said:

The scary thing about the Shockers is their depth. I think they go like 12 deep. Marsha plays them all. He has a lot of fouls to give and options to change the flow of the game.

They do have a ton of depth. Getting arguably their best overall player back (Mcduffie) will give them 10 guys to mix and match.

How in the world did Florida manage to lose? Here I was thinking we got robbed in the sec/ big12 challenge. I wanted Florida, but not if they’re chokers. So Was Duke that good down the stretch or Florida that bad?

@dylans Florida bad, lost the ball off the dribble, twice. Bagley a man! Dukes D not great.

Think about it, Bagley was supposed to still be in High School...maybe as a teacher? He looks like he is at least in his mid 20s. Only other player I have seen that looked older was old man Oden.

And in other news... the amazing Fizzou streak continues... love it!

Mizzou turns over title game to West Virginia. “Tough one. Tough one,” Missouri coach Cuonzo Martin said. “I thought our guys did a lot of really good things. They competed hard and made plays for each other. For the most part they took care of the ball except for that late stretch for four minutes or so.”

The Tigers were trying to beat a ranked opponent for the first time since Dec. 7, 2013, when Frank Haith’s team beat No. 18 UCLA. Instead, the skid reached 19. Mizzou comes back to Orlando on Thursday to play Central Florida.

@JayHawkFanToo Funny! I remember thinking Lebron looked like a 30 year old when he entered the League.

JayHawkFanToo said:

Think about it, Bagley was supposed to still be in High School...maybe as a teacher? He looks like he is at least in his mid 20s. Only other player I have seen that looked older was old man Oden.

They are the reason we still get carded in our 30s. :joy:

@mayjay

LeBron did not play college...

@BShark The tears on your smiley do not belong to you youngsters. They rightfully belong to those of us who could be in our 30's twice over....our next times of being carded will be at Medicare-friendly facilities.

@JayHawkFanToo Who said he did? And your post only referred to Oden as a "player," not as a college player. So, your point is....?

@mayjay

My comment was about a player that would still be in High School that lookes too old for even college, much like Oden did. LeBron is/was not part of that narrative since he went straight to the NBA.

@JayHawkFanToo Virtually the same age. Actually, the NBA was quaking in his boots when he considered trying to enter the draft when he was 17--and he still looked older than Oden ever did. (Contrast our youngest--Svi at 16 looked, maybe, 17.)