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I heard on the radio the Trae Missed 39 shots in the last two games. This makes OU sound like one of those mid-majors that has the D1 scoring leader that can't do anything else. Similar to when we played Detroit in a first round game. I think these last two games has given Bill an accurate game plan for tomorrow night.
@wrwlumpy He went 14/39 @ OSU and 8/21 @ KSU. I like our chances if he turns it over as bad as he did in those 2 games, 12 against KSU and 8 against OSU. Hes probably gonna get his points because heβs gonna shoot it so much. But in their losses he averages a high number of turnovers. A rare mistake on your good scouting, the games @ 6.
INT. IGNOBLE ARENA-NIGHT
WIDE ON arena full of fans.
CLOSE ON disgruntled fans filing out.
CLOSE on scoreboard: Time Remaining 3:17; OU 65, KU 80
ANGLE ON Trae Young triggering 34 foot miss
CLOSE ON Bill Self smiling and exhorting his subs.
CHIRON: Trae Young 13-39, 14 TOs, 0 Steals; Devonte Graham 11-14, 3 TOs, 4 Steals
CLOSE ON Lon Kruger cursing.
I think if most of us are honest we have had this one as well as the one at WVU circled as our most likely Ls in conference. I'm hesitant to change my mind. OU losing back to backs doesn't help in my opinion. Yeah we've seen some of how to boggle the young gun's mind but so have they. Adjustments will be made, OU won't want to drop 3 in a row, and the Jayhawks play better with people doubting them. For these reasons, I say OU by 8 tonight!
@benshawks08 I get what you're saying, and yet this squad keeps finding ways to win on the road. I'm going with one of the good guys steps up with a surprisingly great game tonight and, after many lead changes and much yelling at the tv and handwringing, KU by 2.
Vegas says OU by 2. I say KU grinds it out and wins a mid 80s game by 3.
Well seeing a how we haven't won any of our big 12 games by more then 6 and that was Texas - seeing as OU has Trae and OU has played like crap - -I still think we win this game I'll agree might be a higher scoring game - -I'll say KU -89-84. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@Jayballer54 48=crab?
Doke doke
The guys are really battling at the 7 min mark. Well at least Doke hasn't missed any free throws in the 3 min he's played.
Need a 5 man
Silvio should have stayed at img. He's so far from helping
@Crimsonorblue22 that's why playing smart is so important. Oklahoma went on this run when Dok went out. He has to play smart and not try to block every shot. That's playing stupid, not smart. Could cost us this game. They aren't better than us.
Where Lightfoot on those blockouts?
So I guess this is a Mitch game and not a Doke game.
Down 2 with Graham being off and Doke basically not playing I'll take it.
Malik has really found his game lately.
Malik has been good. Need Devonte to make smart decisions, Svi and Malik to continue to drive the ball and Dok to stay on the floor. OU doesn't have an answer for him and only went on that run when he was on the bench.
HawkChamp said:
Malik has been good. Need Devonte to make smart decisions, Svi and Malik to continue to drive the ball and Dok to stay on the floor. OU doesn't have an answer for him and only went on that run when he was on the bench.
Looks like you were right about Doke.
Graham is struggling with 3's and layups + 1. Gotta get better, right?
Seems like spending so much energy on Trae defensively is hurting his offense.
Doke coming out, warning time.
Foul on ?
@Crimsonorblue22 Vick
Lightfoot getting mugged in every rebound and no foul called.
JayHawkFanToo said:
Lightfoot getting mugged in every rebound and no foul called.
He's white so it's okay. :joy:
My Sling stream is 45 seconds behind, I can watch LiveStats and predict what will happen on the broadcast. :smile:
Mitch just got killed. Good time to get Doke back in.
Is Svi having a good game? I can't tell.
Young will make some serious dough making commercial for hair club for men in the not so distance future.
He went around doke and dribbled up to 3 pt line and made it. Wow. Never done before?
I really like Self's game plan today. Making Young work on D.
That was off of Lattin....
Ugh
Well, I'd rather Vick have 4 fouls than Doke.
Nice play by Malik previously.
We in the bonus yet?
Need to continue to attack and play smart defensively. Need stops!!!!
@Crimsonorblue22 Yes.
Let's hope this kid for OU misses. He isn't a good ft shooter but he canned his last two...
OU hasn't made a bucket in about 4 minutes but they have been getting to the line.
Everybody going to drive
54% ft shooter is 6-6....
Poke a Doke in effect...
The refs helping out OU with the call off the ball on Doke
Shouldn't be able to foul Doke when he doesn't have the ball...
Ball should be given back to KU after the fts in that case.
HA! Illegal screen.
WTH again with Refs helping out OU
Gotta get Doke out of there...
Self needs to take Doke out
Lots of KU players with 4 fouls...
Trae just jedi mind tricked the refs.
Can't believe Doke is still in there.
The ref on the near side to the camera is only watching Doke
Bald guy is not even watching the game JUST DOKE
Young getting the Michael Jordan treatment by the refs.
Somehow OU keeps shitting their pants.
This is a set up and Self needs to get him out
Put Mitch in the game seriously.
Or Garrett
UGH come on Bill.
Well, we lose. Oh well.
I feel sorry for Doke, but Jesus! Can't he make 3 out of 10 FTs?
Let's be honest Self blew this game. Also screw Lon Kruger even if he was smart to do it.
Did you see Doke standing in the corner? Self didn't want the call on him so he didn't even go inside? What kind of coaching is that?
What was Self thinking? Three straight turnovers! This loss will be because of his choke.
Watch another call on Doke is comming
HawkChamp said:
What was Self thinking? Three straight turnovers! This loss will be because of his choke.
No other way to spin it.
Now it is
Leaving Manek wide open seems sub-optimal.
Game set and match.
No way we should have lost. We were clearly the better team when Dok played outside of crunch time. Self was an idiot tonight.
We're not going to win every close game, but I think we blew it with Doke missing FTs. Should have subbed him out earlier.
@hawkmoon2020 You will see a replay of this from now on. We are lucky no one has used it before now. STUPID!!!
hawkmoon2020 said:
We're not going to win every close game, but I think we blew it with Doke missing FTs. Should have subbed him out earlier.
Self blew it. Three straight times were three turnovers. Kept Oklahoma in it. Self was an idiot.
OU told the referees they would be taking fouls against Doke. That's why the officials were watching him so closely. Making sure things don't get out of hand.
This is on Self. He allowed Kruger to make him play 4 on 5. You can't just put Doke in the corner there. You have to take him out. You can't let him be the goat there.
This one is on Bill Self, not Doke.
My wife started telling me to calm down at the 3:30 minute mark when Ubrika was still in the game. Bill lost this one.
We need a 2nd option to have Svi shoot Dokes free throws from the 3pt line!
Agree it is on Self. Very surprised. It's not that we desperately needed him for rebounds.
I can't remember a time when I questioned Bill Self like this. He's the guy who has a 80% winning percentage and is in the HOF. I drink beer on my couch. But what the fuck just happened? We were in control until Doke was getting fouled and we did nothing. Am I missing something? This one hurts.
I think there is a method to the madness of leaving Doke in. Coach Self is sending a Doke a message...I am going to leave you in so you better start hitting FTs like you do in practice. What else can it be?
Was thinking the same thing. Must have been a reason. Maybe to give him more confidence and experience making FT in future games? Nah!
But what does this do to Doke as far as confidence? He knows OU's whole strategy was to foul and see if he missed. That could wreck his confidence long term from the FT line.
hawkmoon2020 said:
Was thinking the same thing. Must have been a reason. Maybe to give him more confidence and experience making FT in future games? Nah!
You'd think Self is smarter than that. But two final fours does say a lot.
Bill blew it. Better he learn from it now than in a couple of months. Maybe he sacrificed a game after a surprise win at WVU.
It wasn't even like Mitch was playing poorly, so I'm extremely confused. I'll buy the Bill was sending a message line just to make myself feel better.
KU is still ahead of the league. This game means nothing if Doke goes back to the dorms and works on his FT's non stop until March.
That was an elite eight style choke by Self. No doubt we are the better team but the score won't show it.
@JayHawkFanToo YIIIIPPPPPPIIIIEEEE. Some method. If we do not have a coach that can teach him to shoot better, they may as well get a friggin truck driving job. And if we are stupid enough to leave him in the game no matter what, we do not deserve to win. I am hoarse from yelling to take him out. UTTER STUPIDITY!!!
@Statmachine HAHAHA!
We need Doke to hit those period! The refs should have been calling those off the ball fouls the whole game though. That was pretty obvious and IF you go back and watch the tape during that OU run one of the refs was ALL EYES ON DOKE... That is called cheating if they weren't calling it that way the entire game. Had they been calling that all night OU's bigs would have all fouled out! Hopefully Self learned something tonight. Not only can you not pass it to Doke in the final minutes he cant contend for floor space either without getting a call that is basically a turnover on the road!
If all OU could do was foul a poor FT shooter, they are pretty desperate. This won't work in most games. We all knew Doke's FTs were/are a huge risk, and teams are going to use the same strategy in games going forward. Self and Doke just sucked it up to grind through the game. Kruger will have the same game plan in the Phog.
There is zero chance he hits any more fts percentage wise in practice. Zero. He has absolutely no mechanics whatsoever. The ball never hits the same place twice. This is not the shot of an individual that works frequently on that shot. Simply no
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When a team is taking off ball fouls, they will usually inform the officiating crew that they will be fouling away from the ball. This is to prevent injuries so guys don't have to be overly physical to draw the whistle. Ultimately, that keeps a guy from getting beaten up or possibly hurt. That's why the officials were watching Doke and Freeman - the officials had already been told fouls were coming.
@cragarhawk or someone who has received any sort of instruction. Simply pathetic for a program to not teach any sort of basic mechanics. Unacceptable
@HawkChamp I don't know if choke is the word, but if HCBS gets credit for coaching genius for the other close wins, this loss is on him. Simply can't have Doke in at the end of close games. 6 straight missed FTs and not one was close. Plus, the offensive after we were down 2 had Doke in the corner - what the f*** is the point of that - no reason to have him in the game if they can defend 5 on 4. The last 4 minutes, we didn't come close to have a good offensive possession - only score was a put back. Really solid 35+ minutes just wasted in the last 4-5 minutes....
DCHawker said:
@HawkChamp I don't know if choke is the word, but if HCBS gets credit for coaching genius for the other close wins, this loss is on him. Simply can't have Doke in at the end of close games. 6 straight missed FTs and not one was close. Plus, the offensive after we were down 2 had Doke in the corner - what the f*** is the point of that - no reason to have him in the game if they can defend 5 on 4. The last 4 minutes, we didn't come close to have a good offensive possession - only score was a put back. Really solid 35+ minutes just wasted in the last 4-5 minutes....
Agreed. Really dumb move by Self. Just makes me wonder what is going on sometimes.
DCHawker said:
Agreed. Really dumb move by Self. Just makes me wonder what is going on sometimes.
In shock that Preston left the team?