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@BShark Sad for Silvio.

While I am not holding my breath I am hoping he just gets a suspension. Sucks for Silvio.

I'm guessing that they will do a review, he will have to pay back some money, probably serve a suspension, and be eligible after Christmas. Worst case, his KU career is over. Best case, he's able to play after Thanksgiving.

@BShark Thanks for the being the bearer of bad news. :(

approxinfinity said:

@BShark Thanks for the being the bearer of bad news. :(

Someone had to post it, unfortunately.

I actually think this is kind of good news as far as the black cloud is concerned. It shows that KU is mindful of what is going on in New York. This is the first real quote from Bill Self about the trial, right? Did I miss anything other than Bill saying "No comment"?

Obviously I hope that we get Silvio back and it is proven that he was not involved or at least unaware. That said, I would hate to have him play in any games that could potentially be vacated moving forward.

Is it too late for him to change guardians? lol.

Kcmatt7 said:

Is it too late for him to change guardians? lol.

:(

Hope at some point they do not rule we used an ineligible player and the final four banner comes down.

approxinfinity said:

@BShark Thanks for the being the bearer of bad news. :(

not sure about you but my gut has always told me that Silvio is finished - -I've thought this for a long time

BigBad said:

Hope at some point they do not rule we used an ineligible player and the final four banner comes down.

That would be a tough argument given that, at least according to what we know right now, there were facts that were disclosed only at trial.

Of course, the NCAA has a habit of picking a scapegoat to selectively enforce rules, so nothing is guaranteed, especially since KU didn't win the title last year.

The comments from Self about having already talked to the NCAA and continuing to work with them suggest that there may be a quick resolution to this for Silvio. I hope?

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I imagine that the result of the FBI trial will in part help speed up the process. As far as I can tell the only thing that was "somewhat" proven in court is that Silvio's guardian received $2,500 for on-line classes but he did not testify and has maintained all along (for what its is worth) the he did not receive any money. If this is all that can be proven the I imagine restitution and 2-3 game suspension would be the outcome. Now, if the NCAA has solid evidence of additional payouts and that Silvio was aware then it could go a different way.

Are we in a Billy Preston wait - Part Deux? Will the decision come any time now? :smile:

Woodrow said:

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Well, Parrish has a hate boner for KU so this is expected.

http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/kusportstv/2018/oct/24/big-12-commissioner-bob-bowlsby-comments/ ↗

Good ole KK...

BShark said:

http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/kusportstv/2018/oct/24/big-12-commissioner-bob-bowlsby-comments/ ↗

Good ole KK...

Couldn't hear it. What did he ask or say?

Woodrow said:

BShark said:

http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/kusportstv/2018/oct/24/big-12-commissioner-bob-bowlsby-comments/ ↗

Good ole KK...

Couldn't hear it. What did he ask or say?

Typical bs from him. He wants KU to fall to badly.

My biggest concern with this is that he is being withheld from the exhibitions. Those games don't count so reading the tea leaves you could say it's because Self expects Silvio to never play for KU again this year.

@BShark I think you have to be eligible to play in exhibitions. Our transfers played in the overseas tourneys, but not in exhibitions, I think.

mayjay said:

@BShark I think you have to be eligible to play in exhibitions. Our transfers played in the overseas tourneys, but not in exhibitions, I think.

Billy played the exhibitions when he hadn't actually been cleared by then. Not saying it's 100%, but things definitely don't look good.

I kinda figured the exhibitions would be Silvio’s swan song. Maybe he can/will get cleared. I hope the NCAA actually does something unlike the Preston case.

Remember Ayton played last year. Will Arizona have to forfeit games? ...Will KU?

@BShark And we'll see KJ at the 4 for a stretch tomorrow, I'll bet.

@dylans Sexton was withheld 1 game.

KUSTEVE said:

@BShark And we'll see KJ at the 4 for a stretch tomorrow, I'll bet.

I think he starts tomorrow night along with Dedric. Doke off the bench.

@KUSTEVE Did Alabama get him cleared or did they just say to heck with it and play him? And if he was cleared how did they get it done so fast? KUs eligibility issues seem to drag in and on. Maybe because they aren’t clearable, but not convict able either.

@Woodrow KK was looking for a sound bite. Asked about it being a level playing field and how KU has won 10 years in a row.

If I understand correctly, the admitted evidence and testimony under oath at the trial indicated that KU was not aware of any of the payments and it followed the NCAA ruling that Silvio was eligible and cleared to play.

This reminds me of a time I was in California driving on the Antelope Valley freeway off the 405 and headed to the Palmdale/Lancaster area. The speed limit was 55MPH and traffic was moderate and moving at a steady 70 MPH; I was driving at a conservative 60 MPH on the right lane. I noticed on my side mirror a CHP motorcycle with flashing light coming fast in between the two lanes (motorcycles are allowed to do this in California) and I looked at my speedometer and saw I was driving slightly over the speed limit but considerably slower than the rest of the traffic so I did not think much of it. The CHP office pulled next to me and motioned to lower my window and when I did he told me using the motorcycle speaker...speed it up buddy, you are holding up traffic. I pointed to the speedometer and he repeated the warning to speed it up which i promptly complied. I always wondered whatt he outcome would be if a few miles down the road I was stopped and given a ticket for speeding...would it hold in court?

This seems to be a similar case where KU was given the go ahead by the NCAA to play Silvio and KU followed the decision and rules carefully. Can the NCAA rule against KU after having cleared Silvio and given KU the go ahead to play Silvio, particularly when there is no evidence that KU knew of the alleged violation? I would think that any penalty the NCAA levies would be on Silvio and not on KU. Thoughts?

Another season, another big man ineligible. Rinse Repeat to next season

BeddieKU23 said:

Another season, another big man ineligible. Rinse Repeat to next season

At least we all saw this one coming.

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

Another season, another big man ineligible. Rinse Repeat to next season

At least we all saw this one coming.

Still disappointing. It's obvious the NCAA has contacted KU saying his eligibility is being reviewed

If KU played Silvio they'd basically be taunting the NCAA, imo.

BeddieKU23 said:

Another season, another big man ineligible. Rinse Repeat to next season

4 out of the last 5 seasons KU has had a big man out with eligibility issues!

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

The comments from Self about having already talked to the NCAA and continuing to work with them suggest that there may be a quick resolution to this for Silvio. I hope?

Quick Resolution isn't in the NCAA's dictionary.

I do however applaud the optimistic view at this news

BShark said:

My biggest concern with this is that he is being withheld from the exhibitions. Those games don't count so reading the tea leaves you could say it's because Self expects Silvio to never play for KU again this year.

That's how I see it! Even Preston played in exhibitions while not cleared to play

Woodrow said:

BeddieKU23 said:

Another season, another big man ineligible. Rinse Repeat to next season

4 out of the last 5 seasons KU has had a big man out with eligibility issues!

Hmm. that's a coach issue. But yeah its bad optics every year

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Vecenie knows basketball, btw. Like he is quite smart.

Maybe after Danny left we had to pay the big men to come.:satisfied:

Self is on with Petro right now.

Paraphrasing... Self is confident in the way KU conducts their business. It is uncomfortable to have his name and KU's name in a federal trial , but he also is not as concerned because he knows how he conducts his business.

@BShark At some point I think Silvio develops a 3 ball. Also, I think Silvio moves better on D than Mccormack or Udoka. This doesn't help us on the defensive end chasing 3-chucking bigs.

This has had no effect on the team other than Silvio not being able to play tomorrow.

It has certainly effected recruiting.

Self thinks this could help the teams focus.

Doesn't think losing Silvio really affects the team because of the depth.

Reiterates he is totally confident on how they conduct their business.

Woodrow said:

Self thinks this could help the teams focus.

Not to play devil's advocate but he would never say the opposite to the media. He knows he lost a very talented player and has 30+ games to narrow the gap of his loss

That was a pretty good interview with Self. He seems loose, and knows he has a talented squad. There is no doubt in my mind he would love nothing more to win it all this year to stick it to everyone.

Silvio just invented the quarter season and done!~

approxinfinity said:

@BShark At some point I think Silvio develops a 3 ball. Also, I think Silvio moves better on D than Mccormack or Udoka. This doesn't help us on the defensive end chasing 3-chucking bigs.

Part of the point is that Sam and Aaron don't think you can play Silvio along side McCormack or Doke. They are all back to the basket C type bigs. It's three guys for one spot, essentially. Very crowded.

I've heard a lot of really positive things about McCormack so this will be very interesting.

Woodrow said:

Doesn't think losing Silvio really affects the team because of the depth.

Reiterates he is totally confident on how they conduct their business.

I'd agree with this.

@Woodrow

I caught the last part of the interview. Coach Self does not seem too worried or at least does not sound like he is.

Where's @stupidmichael when we need him ...

JayHawkFanToo said:

@Woodrow

I caught the last part of the interview. Coach Self does not seem too worried or at least does not sound like he is.

It's just PR 101. He's not going to talk to the media and paint KU or himself in a negative light. It would be an extremely bad look to do so

@BeddieKU23 It was definitely more than just "No comment" though in my opinion.

BeddieKU23 said:

JayHawkFanToo said:

@Woodrow

I caught the last part of the interview. Coach Self does not seem too worried or at least does not sound like he is.

It's just PR 101. He's not going to talk to the media and paint KU or himself in a negative light. It would be an extremely bad look to do so

Yes I fully understand that.

However, even Soren mentioned how well and smooth he handled the interview.

@BeddieKU23

Hard to explain but you can always catch glimpses or key words when someone is worried or hiding something. Coach Self sounded pretty relaxed, open and very positive.

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He said Silvio would not have started as Dedric Lawson and Udoka Azubuike have separated themselves a bit but, where he would plug in Silvio, he said he can plug in McCormack and play KJ Lawson at 4.

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Self was pretty upfront with how this is really effecting recruiting. We all assumed that, but thought it was noteworthy he said that.

“Done” lol ok. If you’re going to go there might as well say the FF banner is coming down too.

FarmerJayhawk said:

“Done” lol ok. If you’re going to go there might as well say the FF banner is coming down too.

You don't think it's possible that he doesn't play for KU this year and the banner stays up? I think it's possible.

@FarmerJayhawk

Unless the NCAA has a lot more evidence than the FBI it is not happening.

If they go full Cliff and he doesn't cooperate, I could totally see a scenario where both happens. As in he doesn't play AND the banner stays up.

I just have no idea what the NCAA's power/demands are. Can they ask for bank statements? Is Fenny stupid enough to deposit dirty money?

@JayHawkFanToo @Woodrow

Self is usually pretty good with these types of things. I think he was well prepared, as he should be at this point in his career.

Self gets to coach, the team gets to play, but Silvio gets to sit. SMH

BShark said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

“Done” lol ok. If you’re going to go there might as well say the FF banner is coming down too.

You don't think it's possible that he doesn't play for KU this year and the banner stays up? I think it's possible.

Possible, though remote. To be clear, the thread title is getting way out over your skis.

@Kcmatt7 They can ask anyone, and they can sanction players, coaches and schools that don't provide them. They have no formal subpoena power, but as with Cliff once they review someone's eligibility they can effectively suspend by doing nothing if a kid's family does not cooperate.

JayHawkFanToo said:

@FarmerJayhawk

Unless the NCAA has a lot more evidence than the FBI it is not happening.

Exactly. They won’t drop the hammer for $2500.

@mayjay

Yes, Cliff was not officially suspended by the NCCA; KU chose to not play him as a precaution and to take away the NCAA leverage. The NCAA cannot punish a school for acting proactively once it finds out of potential issues.

Kcmatt7 said:

@BeddieKU23 It was definitely more than just "No comment" though in my opinion.

I do think that was positive that the questions weren't avoided or deflected. This was his chance to put some positive spin on things that are going on and it looks like he did that.

@JayHawkFanToo The NCAA punished Memphis for the Rose deal, that they supposedly didn't know about, right? If we play an ineligible player, regardless of prior knowledge, we can get hammered, clearinghouse or no clearinghouse, right?

And you think the FBI doesn't have more info? Why would you think that?

FarmerJayhawk said:

BShark said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

“Done” lol ok. If you’re going to go there might as well say the FF banner is coming down too.

You don't think it's possible that he doesn't play for KU this year and the banner stays up? I think it's possible.

Possible, though remote. To be clear, the thread title is getting way out over your skis.

Fair enough.

HighEliteMajor said:

@JayHawkFanToo The NCAA punished Memphis for the Rose deal, that they supposedly didn't know about, right? If we play an ineligible player, regardless of prior knowledge, we can get hammered, clearinghouse or no clearinghouse, right?

And you think the FBI doesn't have more info? Why would you think that?

The NCAA warned Memphis something was fishy with Rose (namely, his fraudulent SAT) and Calipari played him anyway.

@HighEliteMajor I believe the Rose deal was multi-layerd if I'm not mistaken. Not that I don't agree with your point. I felt like the NCAA had a smoking gun in that case, in addition to receiving benefits. And I'm pretty sure the NCAA warned all teams recruiting him that there were issues with his transcripts as well as his SAT score (knowing he failed the ACT thrice before).

He was like the walking example of ineligibility. He had fake transcripts. He had a fake SAT score. And his brother's travel to games was paid directly by the school lol.

Not that this situation isn't similar. It is. Just seems that Rose couldn't even ignore the allegations and leave like Cliff (or De Sousa could do). They had the evidence of three major violations.

Yah I saw that this am. Horrible news. Ruined my day. Can't imagine what Silvio is going thru right now. Poor kid. I feel terrible for him. He didn't deserve any of this. I just hope he doesn't have to sit the whole season.

@FarmerJayhawk :laughing: :laughing: There's no skiing in Kansas! :laughing:

Lulufulu said:

Yah I saw that this am. Horrible news. Ruined my day. Can't imagine what Silvio is going thru right now. Poor kid. I feel terrible for him. He didn't deserve any of this. I just hope he doesn't have to sit the whole season.

I would bet Silvio has known about this for awhile, I don't think the coaches would blindside him with this the day before the game.

Since Silvio won't be playing, we can unleash our brand new 5 OUT attack. Dotson/Grimes/Vick/KJ/Dedric...OMG...

@HighEliteMajor

Not the same situation at all. I seem to recall the NCAA had warned Memphis of serious issues with Rose and they chose to play him any way. I believe there was enough contemporaneous evidence that Memphis was aware of the issue long before it admitted and became public.

The FBI started with its best and strongest case hoping that a conviction would lead to additional charges being brought against a number of other program and new testimony extracted under oath from people involved would be available for the next round. The only testimony we heard was that KU did not know about the payments and whether this is true or not, it is the only available evidence and it favors KU.

If the FBI gets a conviction, then KU has been shown as a victim and somewhat immunized. If the FBI does not get a conviction then further prosecution is doubtful.

At least on paper KU has shown that when it became aware of irregularities (Preston, Alexander) it proactively chose not to play them until the situation was cleared and it is a huge plus for KU. Contrast this withe Arizona that chose to play Ayton even after allegations (confirmed at the trial) that Ayton received money and yet I have not heard a peep about any penalties.

@BeddieKU23 glad for the guilty coming out of the trial - - - BUT I have said and still say - - Silvio I think is done as far s playing for KU - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Kcmatt7 said:

@Woodrow KK was looking for a sound bite. Asked about it being a level playing field and how KU has won 10 years in a row.

you know what I have to say about KK ? - - -screw him, he is so much of a hater - -big ol purple boy - -you know what I say about that purple boy school? -- screw them - - - kk just loves to whine bitch cry -they go hand in hand

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

The comments from Self about having already talked to the NCAA and continuing to work with them suggest that there may be a quick resolution to this for Silvio. I hope?

Ya that's kind of what I thought to my friend, this may get settled real quick . .May be a good thing - - - May be a bad thing , either way as much as I hate the thought of Silvio possibly being done - - then so be it if that turns out to be the case - -It would be a kick to the gut, but ya know ? - -the thing is this kid has such a high ceiling , you can just see the talent there - -would truly be missed - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

jayballer73 said:

Kcmatt7 said:

@Woodrow KK was looking for a sound bite. Asked about it being a level playing field and how KU has won 10 years in a row.

you know what I have to say about KK ? - - -screw him, he is so much of a hater - -big ol purple boy - -you know what I say about that purple boy school? -- screw them - - - kk just loves to whine bitch cry -they go hand in hand

Big salty purple boi.

Yea, holding Silvio out is clearly a make the NCAA happy starting point.
If we played him, that would be a slap in the face to the NCAA, who i'm sure would look down disapprovingly.

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Interesting.

No time to read through this right now. Does this mean we might have to vacate wins/final fours from last year?

wissox said:

No time to read through this right now. Does this mean we might have to vacate wins/final fours from last year?

This scenario is becoming increasingly unlikely, imo. The verdict today was huge for KU.

Sharing this here for @jayballer73 Credit to Phog user asatyss

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@BShark

I was at a client's yesterday and on his desk he had a bobble head of who he said was Kevin Kietzman but to me it looked just like that of Jarred, the former Subway spokesman. I would avoid both like the plague.

Tried to find it on line with no luck; probably zero interest.

So let me get this straight supposedly SDS got 2500 to come to kansas so we sit him yet Zion, that wanted housing, jobs and money, who is now at Dook won't be sat. Same as Wendell Carter being mentioned in several reports. I bet SDS has a suspension or something a lala Selby or something of that nature while Dookies obviously paid for Zion and UNC has fake classes and get nothing SMH. I personally think we will be fine because no one alive will go against the ACC.

kjayhawks said:

So let me get this straight supposedly SDS got 2500 to come to kansas so we sit him yet Zion, that wanted housing, jobs and money, who is now at Dook won't be sat. Same as Wendell Carter being mentioned in several reports. I bet SDS has a suspension or something a lala Selby or something of that nature while Dookies obviously paid for Zion and UNC has fake classes and get nothing SMH. I personally think we will be fine because no one alive will go against the ACC.

Silvio got 60k to go to Maryland allegedly, and according to Gassnola under oath received 2500 to pay for some online classes.

I'm a little confused about the 60k from what I've seen so he got it and paid it back with Adidas money, then got the 2500 or just kept the 60k?

kjayhawks said:

I'm a little confused about the 60k from what I've seen so he got it and paid it back with Adidas money, then got the 2500 or just kept the 60k?

We don't know. The 60k isn't proven, just alleged. Hell it could have simply been a ploy from Fenny to leverage Adidas for more money.

@BShark

Correction. Silvio did not receive $60K, his guardian did and considering that Silvio wanted to go and ended up at KU would appear to indicate he was not aware of the $60K payment Also, I don't believe there is any proof that Fenni even received the $60k, it is all allegations at this time and Fenni could have been subpoenaed to testify but was not: maybe the FBI is saving him for the Under Armour trial?

JayHawkFanToo said:

@BShark

Correction. Silvio did not receive $60K, his guardian did and considering that Silvio wanted to go and ended up at KU would appear to indicate he was not aware of the $60K payment Also, I don't believe there is any proof that Fenni even received the $60k, it is all allegations at this time and Fenni could have been subpoenaed to testify but was not: maybe the FBI is saving him for the Under Armour trial?

I said allegedly. Check my follow-up as well. Didn't mean to imply Silvio got it directly.

@BShark

As far as I can tell there is no hard evidence that Fenni got the $60K in the first place: he has vigorously denied it all along btu then...so did Preston's mom. :smile:

Gassnola said under oath Fenny didn’t get the $60k, just the $2500 if memory serves.

JayHawkFanToo said:

@BShark

As far as I can tell there is no hard evidence that Fenni got the $60K in the first place: he has vigorously denied it all along btu then...so did Preston's mom. :smile:

Correct!

There is hard evidence for Preston obviously, but not for Fenny. Of course Fenny is obviously very slimy but we don't know for sure. Could have just been leveraging Adidas, I would absolutely not put that past him.

FarmerJayhawk said:

Gassnola said under oath Fenny didn’t get the $60k, just the $2500 if memory serves.

He said he didn't pay Fenny, he tried but didn't get it through. He said that Fenny said he needed it to pay back UA/the MD booster I believe.

FarmerJayhawk said:

Gassnola said under oath Fenny didn’t get the $60k, just the $2500 if memory serves.

I believe that Gassnola said that Adidas did not give Fenny $20K to repay the $60K he allegedly received from a Maryland Booster and for which there is zero evidence. The only payment that Gassnola said was made was the $2,500 for on-line classes and also testified that KU personnel was not aware of it.

BShark said:

Lulufulu said:

Yah I saw that this am. Horrible news. Ruined my day. Can't imagine what Silvio is going thru right now. Poor kid. I feel terrible for him. He didn't deserve any of this. I just hope he doesn't have to sit the whole season.

I would bet Silvio has known about this for awhile, I don't think the coaches would blindside him with this the day before the game.

Yah, you're probly right about that. But then why would Silvio say that ,"he knew he was playing this year", if he wasnt playing?

Maybe his situation will be like Selby or Cliff, sit out some games then be back in December some time.

JayHawkFanToo said:

@HighEliteMajor

Not the same situation at all. I seem to recall the NCAA had warned Memphis of serious issues with Rose and they chose to play him any way. I believe there was enough contemporaneous evidence that Memphis was aware of the issue long before it admitted and became public.

The FBI started with its best and strongest case hoping that a conviction would lead to additional charges being brought against a number of other program and new testimony extracted under oath from people involved would be available for the next round. The only testimony we heard was that KU did not know about the payments and whether this is true or not, it is the only available evidence and it favors KU.

If the FBI gets a conviction, then KU has been shown as a victim and somewhat immunized. If the FBI does not get a conviction then further prosecution is doubtful.

At least on paper KU has shown that when it became aware of irregularities (Preston, Alexander) it proactively chose not to play them until the situation was cleared and it is a huge plus for KU. Contrast this withe Arizona that chose to play Ayton even after allegations (confirmed at the trial) that Ayton received money and yet I have not heard a peep about any penalties.

Boom.

@BShark Maybe.. or maybe the optics are bad if he plays any game until the clouds have lifted on him and the program..

:)

Whether Fenny or Silvio received money makes no difference to the NCAA. If it was Fenny, Silvio is the sacrificial lamb. If it was Silvio that's on him, he'll be ineligible.

Silvio is already the sacrificial lamb for KU, not even hours after the trial concluded.

There's a game today, Self gets to coach, T will be on the sideline's coaching, KU (team) get's to play, but Silvio gets to sit. Silvio will always be the lamb in this.

*Note I'm just stating, not inferring my own opinion into it

@KirkIsMyHinrich NCAA move fast when KU is involved? Quite the optimist.