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Vick not starting AGAIN. Chuck starting instead.

Just when we all thought Vick had turned the corner...

@BShark back to the old Vick?

Pretty sure Garrett is starting not Charlie.

Woodrow said:

Pretty sure Garrett is starting not Charlie.

Dotson

Chuck

Grimes

Garrett

Dedric

The starting line-up.

FWIW...Vick 'didn't have a good practice Thursday'
.

He seems to be in his own head again. Hope he snaps out of it soon more for his own sake than anything else.

Anyone have a stream that works in Mexico?

Lol at vick

December game in Sprint center, what could go wrong?

CRH107 said:

FWIW...Vick 'didn't have a good practice Thursday'
.

This sounds like the reason he’s not starting.

Man, I want Vick to keep stepping it up, but what the hell, dude? Realistically, he's just not going to carry the team very far.

Dear lord, 8 minutes left in UConn-FSU...

Does anyone know what channel this is being bumped to?

🐦 View Tweet?s=21

Says ESPN App

someone let me know if the espn app actually starts showing something

It’s on ESPN News

ESPN is so stupid. Did Charlie Moore start?

Charlie! Two good plays!

wissox said:

ESPN is so stupid. Did Charlie Moore start?

Ya

Go Chuck go...

Wow - Charlie

OKAY CHARLIE

Chuck needed to start

Garrett the boarder or border!

Need to defend the 3...

Need more boarders!

48th foul just called in the FSU-UConn game...

@KirkIsMyHinrich good gosh

49

So we gonna get the Vick from last game? WTH is wrong w/him?

JayHawkFanToo said:

Need to defend the 3...

The first three was due to Dedric falling down on offense (with no foul call, I'd need to see that play again to have an opinion on that) which caused everything to get screwed up defensively.

If nothing else, NMSU runs a lot of players onto the floor - gonna need Vick to have his head in the game and play some quality minutes...

@KirkIsMyHinrich

Only 1 player fouled out last time I checked.

I didn't think it was possible for me to dislike Dan Hurley more than I already do, but...

Vick now in.

NO MORE MITCH

@BShark He's on the floor - let's see if his head is in the game...

Live chatting while my darling is decorating the tree. The sacrifices I make.

Mitch at C uggggh

Anyone else get nervous when we play in this building?

@BShark I missed your prediction by the way, we gonna lose? :)

Yeah we suck so far

Gonna miss the entire first half

BeddieKU23 said:

Yeah we suck so far

Started good then...

Few good plays by Grimes and Charlie. Then we forgot

JayHawkFanToo said:

@KirkIsMyHinrich

Only 1 player fouled out last time I checked.

And?

Let's drive down to West Virginia after the game and see if we can find Jaybate.

2 on grimes?

wissox said:

Let's drive down to West Virginia after the game and see if we can find Jaybate.

I thought he was in San Fran.

Vick good help

Crimsonorblue22 said:

2 on grimes?

No

@wissox I think KU has a lower winning % at Sprint than HCBS does overall...

Match up zone?

Wait, 5 seconds is still a rule?

Jump

Can you guys and gals believe it, I just looked at ESPN and Zion dunked today.

Eww

NMSU watched Duke film.

wissox said:

Can you guys and gals believe it, I just looked at ESPN and Zion dunked today.

Well he did bring the 2-point shot back to college basketball according to ESPN, so that makes sense.

They should slap the floor imo.

@BShark kill me now

D dot!💪🏻

Crimsonorblue22 said:

D dot!💪🏻

He is sooo good.

That dime from dotson was so awesome it was worth a quarter.

Lauren bobbits son? Or is that possible?

@BShark I thought I remember him being in WV, but I could be wrong.

Dotson is at junior level Frank.

Dedric doesn't hold his ground very well...

Dotson was fouled.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

JayHawkFanToo said:

@KirkIsMyHinrich

Only 1 player fouled out last time I checked.

And?

With that many fouls one would expect several players fouling out, that’s all.

Dotson missed a bunch so far.

Damn it

@wissox I mean dawson

Dedric has been bad on both ends so far.

Might as well play Dave.

They aren't calling reach fouls at all so Kansas needs to be aggressive.

@wissox

Jaybate is...or was in California.

Pathetic effort on that rebound

BShark said:

Might as well play Dave.

lol

When all is said and done, Dedric will be the player of the game.

@JayHawkFanToo Ok, so lets all drive there after the game and ask if anyone has seen him.

JayHawkFanToo said:

When all is said and done, Dedric will be the player of the game.

Unless he turns it around defensively, he wouldn't get my vote.

I thought jaybate was in Chicago

ESPN News cut back to their original broadcast during a commercial break.

BShark said:

Wait, 5 seconds is still a rule?

When the ball handler is not dribbling.

Big dave

Just not making shots tonight.

@danr go Dave go!

@approxinfinity I didn't realize it! 5 minutes later why isn't the game back on?

Not good d position there dave

Garrett was fouled and fouled HARD on that play. How was nothing called?

@DanR If he's in Chicago I'll go find him.

Then a soft call on KU. Sweet.

2 fouls on NMSU the whole game.

Why are so many KU players wearing long johns? Is it cold there?

NMSU hitting a bunch of shots and KU bricking everything. Could be worse I guess.

22-11 since our torrid start. This is what happens when Vick and Lawson don't score.

@wissox what are you going to do, ride the el around asking random people about shoe co conspiracies?

Marcus nooooo YES!

Dedric is killing us on both ends, missed bunnies and laughable defense

Marcus tempted fate by attempting another.

DanR said:

@wissox what are you going to do, ride the el around asking random people about shoe co conspiracies?

Yes.

Will Garret have our most 3 pta?

@DanR No, I'll check under all the underpasses on the Kennedy and Dan Ryan.

kjayhawks said:

Dedric is killing us on both ends, missed bunnies and laughable defense

Yep. Bad game from him. The Spanish kid is killing him.

Look at Big Dave move man. Hustling his ass off on D.

@BShark didn't like that one, thought about too long. Hey Dedrics like 1 for 14 on the year lol

@wissox lol

@wissox Check for foil hats....

approxinfinity said:

Look at Big Dave move man. Hustling his ass off on D.

So, Dedric can be an effective player but Dave and Silvio might be the best bigs on this roster, especially down the line. A shame Silvio doesn't get to play.

Don't these ESPN folks know we play 1/4 of a game.

Need Vick to show up

Anyoneine wearing a Foil hat and mumbling about World War One could be jaybate

Lazy defense.

Don't like Dave taking that shot though. Really don't like Dave + Dedric 2 big line-up.

Fouling the crap out of him

Has anyone checked KUSports to see if he's back over there? I'll check.

Don't worry, NMSU. It's only your 3rd.

Lucky for Dedric.

1 of 13 and tied, not bad

@DanR

...and no-brand sneakers...:smile:

Mitch!

Why didn't Derrick a shoot the 3 there? They laid off.

Mitch isn't the answer though Billy.

Lightfoot in for instant offense.

BShark said:

Mitch isn't the answer though Billy.

Yes he was

Upchuck

Charge my ass

Ok, that was nice nmsu guy

Wow

Team of misfits

Pretty bad last 15 minutes...

Hmm. That dunk seemed to stun us.

Pathetic

That was one uuuuuuugly first half.

This team deserves to lose this game. Certainly not beating Villanova.

I think I saw us score 4 points once espn 2 cut to our game

Need Lawson and Vick to get in game

Was that Vicks 1st attempt? He passed opportunities earlier.

Bwag said:

Was that Vicks 1st attempt? He passed opportunities earlier.

He bricked a ten footer earlier

There's a trend developing with this KU team. They play badly in the first half. Self makes halftime adjustments, meaning he screams and probably throws some chairs. And then KU plays better in the 2nd half and wins.

@BeddieKU23 yeah pretty much. These guys keep talking about Doke. Is his absence really a factor here?

approxinfinity said:

@BeddieKU23 yeah pretty much. These guys keep talking about Doke. Is his absence really a factor here?

They are clueless

approxinfinity said:

@BeddieKU23 yeah pretty much. These guys keep talking about Doke. Is his absence really a factor here?

I don't think so. It's a lack of effort issue and missing shots.

@approxinfinity I'm going w/it

Why did Grimes sit the last 10 minutes?

BeddieKU23 said:

Why did Grimes sit the last 10 minutes?

2 fouls probably

@BeddieKU23 2 fouls

2 fouls

BShark said:

This team deserves to lose this game. Certainly not beating Villanova.

At least you're consistent.

That had an impact

I don't see why Vick is always setting up on the weak side. No one driving is dishing to him, and our guards in general are not even looking at him. We need some weave just to get Vick the chance to touch the ball.

Sitting Vick at the start of the last two games has really chilled Vick's shot; he's not in the offensive flow now.

They just played harder the last 5 minutes. The main issues with this four guard line up (which I still like) is poor rebounding, without Doke we have zero post presence, Dedric cant score against average bigs or defend them. The 3 pointers better start falling or not only will we lose tonight but Nova will absolutely blow our doors off with ease.

@kjayhawks And Arizona St.

@kjayhawks I think he’s proven he can score on any type of post men. Just struggling today

@kjayhawks Preconference is for learning.

@BShark way to take to another level and predict two losses at a time!:grin:

@KirkIsMyHinrich Any particular player he should throw the chair at tonight?

DanR said:

@BShark way to take to another level and predict two losses at a time!:grin:

That's funny.

McCants was huge for them, scored their last 6 point including 2 dunks and had a big offensive rebound.

BeddieKU23 said:

approxinfinity said:

@BeddieKU23 yeah pretty much. These guys keep talking about Doke. Is his absence really a factor here?

I don't think so. It's a lack of effort issue and missing shots.

Nailed it.

wissox said:

@KirkIsMyHinrich Any particular player he should throw the chair at tonight?

I'd go with Lawson I guess. But any of them really.

@HawkChamp I have not been even remotely impressed with his skills down low. Shooting the ball 20 times to get 18 isn't good. He has had one good offensive game. I do like his rebounding and passing ability but overall offensively and defensively he hasnt shown me much.

DanR said:

@BShark way to take to another level and predict two losses at a time!:grin:

I strive to be at the top of my posting game.

@mayjay True but hes not going against B12 caliber bigs so that concerning.

@kjayhawks he’s had some really nice offensive showings, the Tennessee game being one of those. I’d say Grant Williams and Scholfied are better than any other forwards in the big 12.

@kjayhawks but who leads big 12 in rebounds?

@kjayhawks I left out what conference play and the tournament are for. I am afraid we might still be learning.

Sprint Center is cursed.

I am changing my prediction from win to loss at halftime.

For those who lack reading comprehension, @Bwag I said he was a good rebounder and @HawkChamp I clearly stated he had a good game offensively.

KSU: Scores 46 pts against a midmajor

KU: HOLD MY BEER

Vick started 2nd half

Azubootke

BShark said:

I am changing my prediction from win to loss at halftime.

Good, every time you've done that, we've won. Way to take one for the team.

Think Doke hates the sound of gum chewing ?

I smell a 22 point run

I thought there were no reaching fouls today.

DanR said:

I smell a 22 point run

FOR NMSU?

Crowd sounds like they're falling asleep.

The team is playing while asleep tbf.

approxinfinity said:

Think Doke hates the sound of gum chewing ?

He's sure surrounded by it!

OK, a 22-2 run

Dedric just got obliterated

How many fouls does he have?

Vick has gone 3 halves without scoring now.

The NMSU's big whose name I can't pronounce is good but he uses his forearm a lot to create space.

DanR said:

I smell a 22 point run

Let's hope so

Auraurararuaruar guy is pretty good for NMSU

loooooool

Good gosh

Celebrate now, NMSU

Honestly, NMSU is getting away with a lot of reaching fouls.

Marcus. whew

Dedric not even ready for the inbound pass

When Garret is our top 3 point shooter....

LOL

Game over

The entire country is laughing hysterically at us right now.

@BShark come on, man

Pathetic defense

Oh Sprint Center, how I hate you.

My God this may get ugly. It's bad when Garrett is the leading scorer.

@wissox Hopefully they are still watching Heisman interviews...

Can we start now?

Very soft play right now at both ends.

Sprint center is in Missouri, right? I think that's the problem.

I say we put Lightfoot's jersey on De Sousa and see if anyone notices.

Playing like total crap and hanging in there. I still like our chances.

Dedric has to man up and Vick needs to wake the hell up.

DanR said:

Auraurararuaruar guy is pretty good for NMSU

I think he gets in our guys' heads by asking them to pronounce his name.

@wissox I really don't understand why Vick is dropping off the planet. Easy to question Self's methods re: not starting him.

NMSU seems to be the team with more alertness and toughness.

@approxinfinity on Tuesday he was twenty minutes late, so that was Vick’s own fault.

@approxinfinity He's been a head case his whole career. With Doke out this should be time for the 4th year guy to step up, but he's just disappeared. I'm baffled.

what are we shooting, like 25%?

Vick's the senior. He needs to be a leader off of the court too. I wonder if his attitude is affecting the rest of the roster right now.

@HawkChamp I know but not starting him today is what I'm saying is hard to get my head wrapped around.

@wissox But we are #2 in the Nation. Running around like a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off. Bill must have worn them out in practice. Cant even make a free throw. What else is new????

NMSU wants it more and is the better team.

@BShark Yes....I now agree with your prediction.

wissox said:

The entire country is laughing hysterically at us right now.

No, don't you know? They are watching Zion highlights for the 6th time.

@BShark OK, you used the "wants it more" card you can only play that one time this season.

@approxinfinity guess you needed to be at practice! Pretty sure coach wants to win

@mayjay Vick has regressed to 2017.

I think Jaybate is the one dancing.

We'll want it more here in a bit.

you know this team hasn't really clicked ALL year. - -they just have looked liked they are mis firing every game - -they just don't lok good - -period , for sure NOT the number # 2 team in the Nation , have been flirting with Diaster all year

The sprint center is ready to explode

Nice pass from vick

Big Clyde52 said:

@mayjay Vick has regressed to 2017.

What has Dawson regressed too?

we are NOT a good team right now - PERIOD

2 fouls there

@jayballer73 Who is Dawson?????

hack attack... looked clean to the announcers

"Might have been all ball there."

He was all over his arm...

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

"Might have been all ball there."

He was all over his arm...

Missouri grad

They are getting a lot of good looks at the rim...

feels like the gun toting aggies are peaking right now

Ohhhhh Chuck

Moore that's your guy.

LOL

Vick rhymes with Brick I just noticed.

vick is going to get back to 40% average in a hurry

They are getting WAY better looks than we are...

DCHawker said:

They are getting WAY better looks than we are...

NMSU is the better coached team.

This KU team is really hard to watch

That looked good

Dedric isn't the guy to dial it up a notch

Since we went up 10-0 they have outscored us by up to 17 points.

This is hard to watch

Lightfoot 👍

Nice

I never get nervous until the last minute.

Good job VICK!

Meotchhhhhhh....

Vick to Lightfoot.

Vick fouled on that lay-up lol

Late call. Ref takes points off the Board for us.

KU's offense of forcing it to Doke and Vick getting hot isn't working.

I'm aware Doke is hurt obviously this is a joke.

Not being able to shoot the ball is a problem.

BShark said:

KU's offense of forcing it to Doke and Vick getting hot isn't working.

It's early yet

Need to switch things up on defense. NMSU either getting open threes or scoring at the rim. Way too easy for them right now.

This is my fault for not helping my wife decorate the tree.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Not being able to shoot the ball is a problem.

I'm looking at KU's signed recruits like Wolverine looks at that picture.

Not a lot of fouls being called.

wissox said:

This is my fault for not helping my wife decorate the tree.

But you're focused now. Like our team will be

I know some people thought this team would be better without Doke. That’s not true. Can’t defend the paint without him and they miss him on offense when things break down.

Big Clyde52 said:

@jayballer73 Who is Dawson?????

ok try this - - - what has Lawson regressed to - -hard to argue when he get's sent to the end of the bench - - -has like a 2 in vertical - -easy to see why they said he had the worst out at the combine

Hmm, so the dog just discovered a raccoon family living under the deck (now living in a nearby tree)

BShark said:

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Not being able to shoot the ball is a problem.

I'm looking at KU's signed recruits like Wolverine looks at that picture.

You're always about the future while the present is bleak, huh?

@Woodrow Doke is a nice failsafe for offense.

@KirkIsMyHinrich Need a Mitch Ballock type right now - hit 7 3s against Nebraska today...

come on dotson

Wow they called a carry.

DCHawker said:

@KirkIsMyHinrich Need a Mitch Ballock type right now - hit 7 3s against Nebraska today...

This was not for lack of trying from KU, trust me.

Mitch is the hero we need!

We need Jeff Boschee

@Crimsonorblue22 fair.

Mitch with a good game so far.

Good lord thats some weak sauce

Lovin me some Lightfoot

Woodrow said:

This KU team is really hard to watch

agree - - -playing with a loaded gun - -gonna get shot - - we have had multiple chances and we just wanna try to run over people

The NMSU big uses his forearm every time he gets the ball. Ridiculous call

Grimes is lost again.

I had no prob with mitch taking that

But of a fake there

Tired of getting physically punked. That's a dimension we lose with no Doke.

Ok Vick, more of that.

the worse Vick shot looks leaving his hand the more dead center it is

A lot of fouls not called on New Mexico.

Sweet stroke Vick. Finally looks like his real form.

JayHawkFanToo said:

A lot of fouls not called on New Mexico.

kU gEtS aLl ThE cAlLs

So, Marcus and Mitch are our 2 leading scorers right now....

Who is feeling the pressure now?

Who is feeling the pressure now?

Who is feeling the pressure now?

JayHawkFanToo said:

A lot of fouls not called on New Mexico.

Joe DeRosa + Sprint Center = No reaching fouls on NMSU.

@jayballer73 I cant disagree on that. He is not very aggressive at all.

Who is feeling the pressure now?

Who is feeling the pressure now?

Who is feeling the pressure now?

Who is feeling the pressure now?

Who is feeling the pressure now?

Is NMSU worried?

Umm. I meant to post that once.

All work and no play makes New Mexico State a dull boy!

approxinfinity said:

Umm. I meant to post that once.

But uh, 7 times was a nice impact.

3-8 from the line and Doke isn't even playing.

we need to be driving to the hoop

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

3-8 from the line and Doke isn't even playing.

It's a real issue.

DanR said:

we need to be driving to the hoop

It take a couple more Vick 3's personally

If I told you Garrett would be leading KU in scoring with 7 minutes left in the game, would you guess we were losing?

Good grief, Lightfoot is outscoring Dedrick.

who is our GO TO GUY - when we are really needing that BUCKET -- for sure not Dedric - -at least not right now - - he gets so many shots blocked -if he get's over 3 inches of the ground he gets a nose bleed. - - Vick is inconsistent - -- -Grimes? - - nuff said - - -Moore ummm no - -Dotson about as good as we got at this point

stoptheflop said:

If I told you Garrett would be leading KU in scoring with 7 minutes left in the game, would you guess we were losing?

LOL. Yes.

Mitch

I didn't think that was a charge. But I'll take it.

Mitch w/🏀🏀

MITCHELL!!!!!

YES!!! MITCH!!!!

Beautiful timing on that board by Dedric. More of that.

@jayballer73 Agree - at this point, I'm happy to see Dotson pull a BIFM - just drive it every time...

tie ball game, kids

DEDRIC TIME

Nice acting Mitch!

Call changed by Joe DeRosa. Not surprised.

NM is tired. This game is ours.

@tis4tim I'm with you. Barring connecting on the rest of their 3s

Woof refs

He wanted no part of driving into Mitch

How is Vick going to get in the game on offense if he stands in the corner and doesn't move?

Bwag said:

How is Vick going to get in the game on offense if he stands in the corner and doesn't move?

He has been drifting 95% of this game.

Ball does not lie

Damn Vick

BShark said:

Bwag said:

How is Vick going to get in the game on offense if he stands in the corner and doesn't move?

He has been drifting 95% of this game.

So is Self calling offense or what?

That was a blatant moving screen on the hand-off for 3. Come on!

Oh Vick you HAVE to make THAT.

If Mitch could just hit the 3 he could be the perfect compliment to Dedric

approxinfinity said:

If Mitch could just hit the 3 he could be the perfect compliment to Dedric

I think he can.

Best garbage man in college BB. Dedric

YESSSSSS DL

DEEEEDRIC

DEDRIC HATES AGGIES.

@DanR He might get his averages after all...

Bwag said:

approxinfinity said:

If Mitch could just hit the 3 he could be the perfect compliment to Dedric

I think he can.

He hasn't shown that he can though.

Mitch was open

Easy charge call. Come on, Vick.

Idiot Vick.

At least Mccants is getting all the punishment he can handle right now.

Dedric must have saw my post about maning up lol

Even I can't argue with that call.

Miztard grad announcer trying to will NMSU across the finish line.

Dotson doesn't use the screens on his drives. The defender is able to slip by too.

Help your team by getting your butt to practice and be an example while you r there

It'd be nice to see about 2 minutes of NOT STUPID basketball. Lookin' at you, Vick.

Why did he hesitate?

Bwag said:

Why did he hesitate?

It's Vick.

Not saying Kansas is going to win, but if they do it's probably because the NMSU with the weird last name has been jawing at Dedric.

BShark said:

Bwag said:

Why did he hesitate?

It's Vick.

Dedric had another open 3. Not comfortable out there to just take it?

@Bwag he should have taken that last open three

BShark said:

Bwag said:

Why did he hesitate?

It's Vick.

Huh?

Bwag said:

BShark said:

Bwag said:

Why did he hesitate?

It's Vick.

Huh?

Thought you were talking about a different play.

DanR said:

@Bwag he should have taken that last open three

Had have gone to a new level if had made it.

Need some stops now!!!!

Gotta make throws

Is there a guy named Grimes on this team?

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Gotta make throws

Amen sister.

DanR said:

Is there a guy named Grimes on this team?

Bill Self saw the "Grimes is still a top 10 pick" article probably.

I'm ok with that foul, Mitch

Dedric has scored our last 11 points and should probably get the ball.

Good shot attempt by Mitch, dumb foul

Woof. KU gets wrecked inside, then runs bad offense.

NMSU flops a lot tbh.

Let’s finish this.

should be interesting ending

Ball don't lie

I predict NMSU will work it inside to much success.

AIR BALL

Shot clock!

We're gonna keep this one close

THAT DID NOT HIT THE RIM YOU IDIOTS

No rim

bad angle AIR BALL

Look at Dedric getting torched on the rebound...

DeRosa thinks it hit the rim probably.

Nope

3rd time Dedric has tied up. He stops fighting for the ball and just waits for the whistle. Wish he'd just rip it from the other guy's hands.

@tundrahok not a ripper

Welp...up 1 with the ball a minute to go. CLOSE THE GAME.

Gotta make the throws

Remember there was a run when Lawson had 11 straight..... Right. Now

FTS

Noice

@approxinfinity noise or nice?

FT makes would be good

@Crimsonorblue22 NOICE!

Clutch.

Get a stop!!!!

Nice!

Come on guys, close this down

Dedric awful for 30+ minutes and is now right on his season averages...

Dedric might be the worst defensive big to play real minutes for Self. I am not joking.

good foul dots

We aren't bad at D we just choose not to do it. We got this.

How did Dedric end up with those numbers?

DanR said:

good foul dots

Definite dots

Wow nmst is bad at FTs

Gonna have to make FTs to close this out...

Chris Jans is gross

@Crimsonorblue22 lol

I'm not sure I can pronounce any of NMSU players names

So, safe to say that Self did throw a chair at Dedric at halftime.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Chris Jans is gross

Marsha disciple so yeah.

I'll take it

@Crimsonorblue22 he looks like he's also the NMSt hockey coach.

Never a doubt.......

@BShark female grabber, lost his job

UNREAL!!!!!!

8-0!

Win!

Game.

@Crimsonorblue22 oh. I thought you were commenting on his appearance.

MIDMAJOR KANSAS WITH A STUNNING UPSET OF NATIONAL POWER NMSU

But they lost!

WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER.....

I think that NMSU player wanted it more, but didn't get it. TEARS

Well, we didn't cover, but a win is a win.

Thank you D Lawson.

A win is a win , but this team is not very good right now.

I hope it’s not building a false confidence in them.

@Big-Clyde52 and Mitch. Got the call, delivered.

@approxinfinity I saw the video of him grabbing the gal at a bar. If it was a player, they'd bring it up every game.

WSU will be mad!

Garret 2nd highest scorer tonight. Who'd have thought.

@Bwag he stepped up!

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@Bwag he stepped up!

Expect it on the defense. But 2 3's!

We are pretty much the ole saying, gotta be ready when they call your number.

Bwag said:

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@Bwag he stepped up!

Expect it on the defense. But 2 3's!

As a matter of FACT, our leading 3 pt shooter tonight. Self should be happy.

Just another average dominating win as the #2 team in the country.

The very last shot (after the 3 attempt) was a two pointer anyway. Another close, maybe too close win.

Man that was ugly, I dont know why we keep struggling with these Mid Majors but a lot of is effort IMO. We got up 10 the first 3 minutes then they out hustled us for the next 27 minutes. That is a recipe to go home the first weekend.

A win is a win but as wins go this one was pretty ugly.

@kjayhawks considering no doke and Vick screwing around.......

Q started hot, but was MIA the rest of the game.

@BShark good pesky little team. I wanted to tell you how Chris Jans got that job at Shlockerland. They looked all over Wichita to try to find anyone that would go get drunk with Marsha and Big Mouth. Noone would, except a former coach who got fired for getting drunk, and making lewd comments towards young women. Jans fit perfectly. He's a good coach when he isn't snot slobbering drunk, and acting like a pedophile.

NMSU is not a mid-major, are they? Maybe the equivalent, but...

Told you Dedric would be player of the game...although Meotch played well and so did Garret.

Dedric played like he had the flu, fever and chills.

Mitch was the difference in my opinion. At minimum, from an energy and inspiration pov

So if Dedric can makes plays like this at or towards the end of a game - -tell me WHY he can't play like this throughout the game?

I'm tellin you ya we won we keep pulling rabbits out of the hat - -one of these times - -we will reach for that rabbit and no rabbit there.

Thank you Mitch - -key minutes , great hustle - - how many charges did he take? - -scored a bit - -got some rebounds.

Would be nice for once not to have to reach for THAT rabbit. - -Grimes starts out nice then NOTHING the rest of the game - -same with Charlie - - it's a win that's about all I can say - -The ONE thing -the one , and that is come NCAA time we should have plenty of experience playing in tight game and knowing how to stay working. - - -how many times have we had to come from behind. - - Mitch 7 points - - 6 rebounds and what 3 charges? -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Bwag said:

NMSU is not a mid-major, are they? Maybe the equivalent, but...

He awards style points. Kentucky ... lost. We ... won. Winning is better.

wissox said:

Just another average dominating win as the #2 team in the country.

YA buddy LOL

Bwag said:

Mitch was the difference in my opinion. At minimum, from an energy and inspiration pov

Agee 10000000000000000000000000000 % - -and oh 10000000000000000% god job Mitch

Win is a win. Learning opportunities. Even more so, coaching opportunities. Can get those through losses but better when you can get them with wins.

@KUSTEVE Kitties lost too and Okie State.

jayballer73 said:

Bwag said:

Mitch was the difference in my opinion. At minimum, from an energy and inspiration pov

Agee 10000000000000000000000000000 % - -and oh 10000000000000000% god job Mitch

Derrick is the base player in the band. Needs to be there. Don't notice as much most of the time. Just if you're listening or if he's not there or if he screws up.

Gotta have it but it's the rest that will be the wow factor.

@Bwag

7 points, 6 rebounds, 1 assist and 1 block in 18 minutes and played good defense and drew a couple of charges.

We always suck in the KC game. At least the first one. I think it was a good game- we got tested by a good defensive team that is an NCAA team from last year.

@Big-Clyde52 AND...Wichitiddy St got lathered by OU...32 big ones...how sweet it is!

KUSTEVE said:

We always suck in the KC game. At least the first one. I think it was a good game- we got tested by a good defensive team that is an NCAA team from last year.

Good win. No real worries. Maybe why Self is messing with Vick?

KU does not seem to like the Sprint Center...must be the Missouri stench...

@Bwag Dedric?

Bwag said:

Garret 2nd highest scorer tonight. Who'd have thought.

Yeah... This team needs Vick and Grimes to play well to be good.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@Bwag Dedric?
? NOT starting Vick...because of a bad practice. I don't buy that.

@BShark btw, where is Grimes?

@Bwag who's Derrick?

@Bwag why do you think vick didn't start?

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@Bwag who's Derrick?

How about D Lawson? Spell check.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@Bwag why do you think vick didn't start?

No idea...seemed I heard or read. "Bad practice"

Digger Phelps and Bill Walton frenemy squabbling about the day Notre Dame beat Woodens UCLA

"Is that really Digger Phelps? I thought you were dead"

Player of the game: Dedric. 2nd place: Mitch. 3rd place: Marcus Garrett for shotputting a 3 ball in.

Garrett shot better from three than our 5* CG, Chuck and Vick? WHAT WAS THIS GAME?

KUSTEVE said:

Player of the game: Dedric. 2nd place: Mitch. 3rd place: Marcus Garrett for shotputting a 3 ball in.

When some Spanish derpface goes 7-10 against you in the paint you don't get player of the game. Dedric made big buckets down the stretch but NMSU would not have been in the game with an athletic, defensive big.

KUSTEVE said:

Player of the game: Dedric. 2nd place: Mitch. 3rd place: Marcus Garrett for shotputting a 3 ball in.

Two 3 balls, to lead the team.

@approxinfinity That is a typical Walton game. Running his mouth instead of following the game at hand. JEEEEZZZ!!

Big Clyde52 said:

@approxinfinity That is a typical Walton game. Running his mouth instead of following the game at hand. JEEEEZZZ!!

Agreed. Why ESPN will collapse.

I love walton.

@Big-Clyde52 If I were a UCLA fan Id be so pissed if I had to listen to Walton all the time.

approxinfinity said:

Digger Phelps and Bill Walton frenemy squabbling about the day Notre Dame beat Woodens UCLA

"Is that really Digger Phelps? I thought you were dead"

Walton is on drugs.

@BShark When you score 11 straight points for your team, and reverse a 7 point deficit by yourself, then you are player of the game, even if you laid down on the ground on every defensive possession.That "perfect" bug keeps biting you.

wissox said:

I love walton.

You have a soft spot for all crack-heads don't you? NOT a slam.

@wissox He is okay. Just needs a bag of pot and a surfboard. Does not need to be announcing bball.

@Bwag

The bigger news would be...Walton is off drugs. :smiley:

Walton didn't comment on the game for seriously like 15 minutes then yells "MOSES BROWN TOO STRONG TOO GOOD". Then back to talking about other stuff. Amazing how fried he is.

Tait gave Mitch the top rating for tonight's game. Dedric second.

ND has won 20 times there throughout history. Walton: "that's a shocking turn of events". Lol.

Well guess that pretty well sums up how Self felt about the situation. - -When asked what happened about the 15 minute mark of the 2nd half when Dedric left the huddle - -He responded - - I don't know what your talking about. - -End of story then went on to next question - -pretty well we now know - -he was beyond pissed.

WE got mostly C grades from Benton Smith for the game. B for defense. C may be a little high for our over all performance.

These reporters ask the dumbest questions

jayballer73 said:

Well guess that pretty well sums up how Self felt about the situation. - -When asked what happened about the 15 minute mark of the 2nd half when Dedric left the huddle - -He responded - - I don't know what your talking about. - -End of story then went on to next question - -pretty well we now know - -he was beyond pissed.

Huh?

Dedric was sure complimentary of Mitch. D Dotson is a cool headed guy, reminds me so much of frank. Hope he can hit the 3 like him.

The more I hear Dedric in these post game shows, I really have a hard time believing he hit Mitch before they went to Italy.

Is Dok our top scorer? These ESPN studio guys are talking out of their asses, but oh well.

@Crimsonorblue22 I thought it was KJ that hit him

Wow. The difference in the game was our 50% FT shooting. It beat their 30% shooting.

@Bwag crazy throws!

@kjayhawks kj went

Bwag said:

jayballer73 said:

Well guess that pretty well sums up how Self felt about the situation. - -When asked what happened about the 15 minute mark of the 2nd half when Dedric left the huddle - -He responded - - I don't know what your talking about. - -End of story then went on to next question - -pretty well we now know - -he was beyond pissed.

Huh?

Dedric went or got sent to the end of the Bench with like 15:42 during a timeout - -he said in a talk postgame he said he went to the end of the Bench to get himself focused and thinking about what he had to do - -regroup - - When Greg ask Coach Self asked about what went on or what happened during that span during the time out - -Coach didn't want to answer - pretty much blew it off - -said don't know what you are talking about

Sooo... does the majority of the buckets group still thinking “4 out” is the way to go? Or did KU miss Doke tonight?

@Gorilla72 I did, but that was w/that other Vick guy.

I'll just copy paste this segment for those without an Athletic sub.

1. Bad post defense

Now the bad …

It’s not a good sign when mid-game a coach decides he needs to double-team the post. It’s basically admitting that your guys cannot guard their guys, and that’s the white flag Self threw up against the Aggies.

“I thought our bigs made their bigs look really good tonight,” Self said.

For anyone who was wondering if Kansas could be better without Azubuike, go back and re-watch KU’s defensive possessions in this game. The answer is no. KU’s best defense has been played this year with Azubuike on the floor, because he protects the rim and eliminates the thought of playing through the post. Only seven times has an opponent finished a possession with a post-up against Azubuike this season, per Synergy, and those possessions have yielded just four points. It’s inefficient offense.

But with Azubuike sidelined with his ankle injury, it was obviously a big part of New Mexico State’s game plan, attacking Lawson in particular.

Lawson could not handle NMSU’s Ivan Aurrecoechea, who scored 14 points on 7-of-10 shooting, most of which came with Lawson guarding him. NMSU’s other post player, sophomore Johnny McCants, scored 12 points on 6-of-7 shooting, his first college game in double figures.

Things got even worse when KU started doubling. The Jayhawks gave up some wide open 3s when their guards tried to dig in.

And when KU tried to double with a second big, the defensive rotations were often late. Two of the most frustrating possessions for Self were these two late when KU doubled with less than 10 seconds left on the shot clock, which is a no-no.

The good news for Kansas is its next opponent, Villanova, rarely plays through its bigs in the post. The Wildcats do invert the floor and play through their guards — much like they did last year with Jalen Brunson — but Jay Wright is probably not going to change up what he does to put his big men in unfamiliar territory.

Still, the larger takeaway from this game for Lawson is he needs to be better at the defensive end, particularly without Azubuike on the floor. Whether it’s through the post or other actions, the scouting report on Kansas is that Lawson is a guy you can attack.

It’s still early in the season and Self has a pretty good track record when it comes to building elite defenses, but Lawson is going to need to really improve for this team to get there.

It feels like we won a game that we didn't have any business winning.

@Hawk8086 We won. Ugly ones count, too. I'm sure the game will give the coaching staff plenty to work on. It will all work out:

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Hawk8086 said:

It feels like we won a game that we didn't have any business winning.

Several of those already.

Feels like a shocking early tournament exit kind of team.

@BShark Shocking? Not by then, perhaps.

Self should love it...he loves winning ugly.

This is not the team I expected. Yet we win. I really don't know how.

Maybe character? Team character? These aren't bad teams we're beating.

Trying to spin this in the right direction because I don't think I've seen a Kansas team this messed up since Wiggins' season here, or late in the 2014-15 season.

I will say that one thing seems obvious here -- Self has played the right guys each game. He's ID'd the guys that will give us the winning formula, from Garrett a few games back, to Lightfoot last night. That's the biggest reason we're undefeated.

I am concerned about the Vick thing, and Self summarily saying he just had a bad day Thursday.

We might have three losses if Vick wasn't playing now.

Most critical in my mind is Grimes. If he's lost, getting to the second weekend may be a challenge.

But look at our league. It sucks. This discombobulated crew might have only three or four losses even playing like this.

Another thing, it had seemed to me that Doke was causing issues for Dedric. And I know many felt we might play better without Doke (including me). We may need another theory.

DeSousa .... just dreaming.

@KUSTEVE Nice video. Gives me chills. I probably shouldn't compare it to the introduction of Les Miles as Head Coach at the University of Kansas, but that was so recent I can't help it. The comparison just highlights the difference between our basketball and football programs. Ecstasy vs agony.

@Gorilla72 Didn't we play the best with Mitch and Dedric playing together?

@HighEliteMajor

I believe the charge call on Grime early in the game that invalidated the basket and gave him a foul took the wind out of his sails; he had been playing with purpose up to that point.

A couple of days ago I made a comment that Doke is the perfect match for some teams and a poor one for others and you asked if KU should not play him and I don't believe I answered that question because there is really no answer.

While Doke can be a defensive liability against smaller teams that score from the outside since he does not defend well against team that stretch the floor, he would be extremely effective on offense against the same team since every time he gets the ball inside, and at the rate he scores from there, particularly against smaller players, it would certainly result in points. You have to weigh his contribution at each end and determine how much he plays on a game and opponent basis. Last night KU desperately needed Doke as New Mexico was scoring and rebounding at will inside without a big inside presence to prevent it.

@JayHawkFanToo good point on Grimes. Needs to be smarter on not getting offensive fouls. Liked his energy though.

Folks have to, once again, remember that we go through these discussions EVERY YEAR. EVERY YEAR people say “we aren’t making it past the sweet sixteen” or similar things. Last year was a prime example, same thing with the year before, and yet the past three years Self has had his teams playing final four/championship level basketball in March despite looking disjointed or ugly in the non con.

@HighEliteMajor

Nice post.

I will say that one thing seems obvious here -- Self has played the right guys each game. He's ID'd the guys that will give us the winning formula, from Garrett a few games back, to Lightfoot last night. That's the biggest reason we're undefeated.

I like this, and should keep this in mind. You're right. Self knows these guys and what wins games. You know, one of the interviews earlier this year with Mitch was telling to me, prior to the Michigan State game. Mitch said that there were several things they hadn't shown yet that they were saving for Michigan State. If we can remain optimistic (and there really is no reason not to. we're undefeated and have a top 5 coach and top 5 talent, even if we like to pretend it isn't), we can look at the early commitment to the High Low as us working on the more difficult offense in our bag, and doing it while still winning games, because we can. The 4-1 was always there, and will always be there. Maybe Self just didn't want to lead with it. Like the Nitro button in a sports car. It's there.

Another thing, it had seemed to me that Doke was causing issues for Dedric. And I know many felt we might play better without Doke (including me). We may need another theory.

I was there with you. We know Dedric can operate at a high level offensively, but its pretty clear he can't be the 5 when we need stops. And maybe its on Dedric more-so than Doke to figure out how to work with Doke. If Dedric is the high bball IQ guy that we all think he is, then he could well figure out how the two can operate, space a little differently instinctively, and talk talk talk to Doke.

DeSousa .... just dreaming.

I will continue to dream.

After all of yesterday's games this is how the 3 top computer polls stand for the top 10 spots.

Pomeroy:

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Here is Sagarin:

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and Massey:

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Can someone explain to me all the love for Virginia? Both KU a and Virginia have the same overall record, 8-0, According to Sagarin KU has more wins against top 25 teams (2 vs 1), against top 50 teams (3 vs 2) and KU's SOS is #9 while Virginia is an embarrassing #315 and yet Virginia is ranked ahead of KU. Pomeroy has also Virginia ranked ahead of KU. I understand it is still pretty early and the rankings will get better with more data but they should at least pass the reasonableness test. At this time and based on what I have seen to date I like the Massey ranking best. Thoughts?

@JayHawkFanToo I'm assuming our defense sucks statistically and UVA's doesn't?

UVA is what UVA will be. A solid, defense first, grinding team, with average athleticism.

We are amorphous, we could be any team's worst nightmare in the tournament. We also could struggle against teams that UVA could put away with their D. Our ceiling on offense is much higher than UVA's. Our ceiling on defense is possibly higher, but our floor is much lower.

KU had a big Kenpom boost to start the season due to perception. KU actually kinda sucks, so sites like Kenpom are catching up to that.

OMG ...we moved from 2nd to 3rd in Kenpom... the sky IS falling.

@approxinfinity

Virginia is an interesting team that as long as it can impose its (slow) tempo it can beat any team but also it can easily be beaten by any other team. When you are playing the #315 schedule out of 353 teams you better have damn good numbers; KU is playing the #9 hardest schedule so its numbers are naturally not be nearly as good.

You can compare Virginia to a semi truck racing a smaller car on a narrow road that goes uphill and half way it starts to go downhill. As long as it stays in front it can block the smaller car and win, particularly when it gets to the downhill portion where gravity allows it to go very fast and pull away. However, if the smaller car gets in front the chances of catching it , despite all its power. UMBC got in front of them last year and Virginia could not catch it and UMBC continued to pull away and won by 20 in the greatest upset in the tournament history.

@KUSTEVE

Nope, the sky is fine. If you read my post I indicated I favor Massey who has KU as #4 behind Michigan, Gonzaga and Duke which I believe is about right.

Virginia lost to a 16 seed. Lololillolololililololol!

I don’t know how to spell LOL

@JayHawkFanToo That wasn't directed to you, or at you. It was directed to those going squeamish at our win.

@KUSTEVE

I guess Gonzaga will go down a notch now...:smile:

After watching Michigan play a couple of times, I think they are hands down playing the best ball right now. It really doesn’t pay to be playing the best ball of the season this early. I just wish We’d show a little more fire at times and not play hard for the final 5 minutes only. I’d be lying if I said I didn’t think Nova will mop the floor with us. I hope they don’t forsure and having a whole week to prepare is nice. We shall see.

@JayHawkFanToo Our win over Tenn looks a lot bigger now.

@KUSTEVE especially w/doke sitting on the bench in foul trouble

I didn't say anything about the game yet (I was at the game so I wasn't able to post immediately after). After letting it marinate, I think anyone upset with how we just played against NM State needs to think about how Doke would have absolutely owned Aurrecochea on both ends, all day long, and we probably wouldn't have had the same lull in the 1st half. We just beat a solid team who will likely win their conference and be in the NCAA tournament while missing what would have been our best mismatch in that game.

This was a really good win on a day where we struggled. This team knows how to close out games and they've got some fight. I still think this group is special. A lot of room left for growth. I think we'll see them really come together here in the next three weeks.

@Kcmatt7 I agree. Don would have completely shut off the lane for their guy inside. It makes me wonder if Dok’s absence will have much of an effect on Saturday, given that Nova really doesn’t play a traditional post man.

@Kcmatt7

Boy that Aurrecochea was a real pain. Couldn't even come close to pronouncing his name and then he reminded me of that kid from Nova a few years back. But it was troubling that we had difficulty guarding a JUCO big with our post players. I thought those times were gone with this years roster. Apparently not so much

@BeddieKU23 You would have thought. Bill compounded the problem though by double teaming him for some strange reason. And give up 6 easy buckets instead of forcing several tough 2s...

Either rotations have to be so good that you can double team in the post, or you have to live with giving up some baskets 1v1. But doubling and not rotating is a surefire way to give up easy baskets.

I will say, how is it that this team is unable to properly rotate 8 games into the season? I've seen high school basketball teams rotate better than we do. I just don't understand how it's so hard for this bunch.

@Kcmatt7 I thought McCants was a pretty scrappy bench guy for them as well. Seemed to give us problems.

@Kcmatt7 Our first game w/o the big guy meant Dedric was in different spots on the court, doing different things. It's going to take time to learn to play differently, since they were just learning how to play another way with Doke.

@approxinfinity

If I recall correctly McCants scored 6 straight point including 2 momentum building dunks.

@Kcmatt7

I thought we got away from doubling the post after the Wofford game but that was probably only because film said they didn't have anyone worth doubling. Aurrecochea made some really good passes, one I remember no look behind his head so I was impressed with his play but also mortified that NM ST post players were having their way with us. I also thought our guards made it way too easy to dump the ball in as well.

That tape is going to be used against KU going forward, especially better teams. Dedric was lucky to have zero fouls in the NM St game. We thought we had post depth this year and we're already back to running 4 guards. Ugh

@BeddieKU23

Best way to nullify a big is prevent the ball from getting to him and that is primarily the job of the guards. Plenty of blame to go around.

@JayHawkFanToo

Yeah I rewatched the game and we really didn't make it difficult on entry into the post or make it difficult for the post player to set up shop. Almost if that was the plan was to let them live with 2's. We are a work in progress in almost every phase of the game still.

@BeddieKU23 we had post depth when Dok wasn’t injured and Silvio was available. Sometimes you have to adjust to the situation.

@BeddieKU23 When somebody with lots of minutes has zero fouls, I usually think they should have been more aggressive on defense.

Errors of omission versus errors of commission. We had a lot of omission in the paint during the first half.

HawkChamp said:

@BeddieKU23 we had post depth when Dok wasn’t injured and Silvio was available. Sometimes you have to adjust to the situation.

You mean adjust every year. Its the same song and dance with the post situation.

@tundrahok

I'm looking at it in terms of Saturday. Villanova knows KU only has 1 good post player which Nova lacks. I can imagine the gameplan will be to double Dedric when he gets the ball and go at him on offense to draw fouls. Wright has out-coached Self in both recent meetings so you know he's going to zero on something for Saturday. The first game without Doke didn't really expose the fact that if Dedric can't play 30-35 minutes a game this KU team is in a world of trouble.