Bring your comments, barbs, jibes, insults, complaints, exclamations, orations, adulations and generally any enthusiasms you have about todays game.

Announcer on VA-FLA St blowout doesn't like the Jayhawks.

Just heard about Doke. Time to man up. We can still do this.

I don't get worried until the last minute. It's ok if @stupidmichael is scared, and if @dynomitehawk is hiding from us. We're going to get this.

@wissox Jimmy Dykes. Doesn't think KU is a top 5 team but thinks Tennessee and Virginia are the best teams in college basketball. But KU beat Tennessee. And Michigan St. And has played a much harder schedule than Virginia. We'll see how Virginia does when they start playing road games in the ACC.

well THRE IS all the signs about getting whupped - -we went from Doke who can be a big offensive plus to Marcus - - so for all practical purposes we went from an advantage of this. - -like 4-5 - -you don't think they won't double down on Dedric every time he come close to the ball.

And the Iowa State fans will just act like they won the NCAA Championship - -they were bitching about how the hell the conference scheduled this game while their students were still on break. - -crying about their students won't be there. - -you put this with our terrible outside shooting. - -got all the signs of a blowout and they will just whaler in if IF it happens

We would need a huge game from Vick - -Big game from Grimes to counter act the loss of Doke to be able to keep this close today what a sucky way that Doke is out - - -AGAIN

Wondering why we have to stay with college basketball games until the buzzer when the game is clearly over.

I think we'll win. KU by 7. ESPN can kiss my butt.

@KirkIsMyHinrich Maybe they will score 20 points in 30 seconds.

@jayballer73 The Clones will try to spread us out, which wouldn't have set well for Doke anyway. I think we'll be fine.

@jayballer73 Don't watch if you think we're going to get whipped

Sloppy so far.

Vick come on.

Looks like we're getting fouled.

It's like these guys have never played or practiced together....

This game is butt ugly wow

Vick a frosh?

"it's so loud in here ISU players don't know where the ball is." "Jacobson, he can shoot it" Airball. Announcers suck.

Touch foul on Dotson after letting about 5 of them by ISU go.

Dedric was nailed on the baseline

Vick got away with a double dribble

More turnovers than shot attempts so far...

@tundrahok what was he doing?

Both teams way to sped up to start

Self is po'd at Vick, me too

@Crimsonorblue22 Trying to decide what to do? I'm not sure.

Vick is a streak shooter and that's about it - poor decision-making and court awareness - too often plays like a freshman....

Is Mark Neely the guy who played at OSU?

Could be worse!

Ya idk what Vick and Dedric are doing, besides being weak as a 3 year old with your hands on the ball and turning it over.

Dedric come on!

That start is where we miss Doke. If he’s in you can throw him the ball and get a easy basket to calm things down.

DanR said:

Could be worse!

Yep, we've held ISU to 12% shooting.

I just want Vick to go stand in the corner and shoot 3's.

We are rebounding well

They are sloppy as hell so far today.

finally got the offense to go through dedric

Finally, 8 minutes in and we have more shot attempts than turnovers...

The only foul Iowa St has prevented an easy Grimes layup. Yay

Didn't count, but more drives like that Q

Anyone wish that Newman had stuck around to help one more year?

@wissox totally forgot about that Newman guy

I feel lucky we ain’t down 10 at this point, they are on Dedric tight, gonna have to start hitting 3s and moving the ball quick when the double comes.

@kjayhawks We're 3-4 on 3 pointers.

Lard is from Louisiana. There's trucks all over the state with an oil company called Lard Oil Co.

Hell yeah, Dotson.

Hole

Hole what?

Dotson saw it

Damn. This team is so bad at shooting .

Garrett stepping up.

The great Montie morris

This is going to be a very frustrating game.

Nice buzzer beater Charlie

Gawd, I'm sick of listening to Fran

I knew they were going to call that a charge and it wasn't.

@DanR he caught a lot of crap on twitter from our last game. He can't hold back

Sad officiating

The chop block on D Lawson that was called a travel showed me all I need to know about how this game will be called.

Pathetic officials

@wissox can’t be, DeDric, Vick and Moore all missed one to this point. Maybe we need to keep hitting them but definitely more than one miss.

@kjayhawks Now we're 3-8 on 3-pointers.

By the third KU game Fran calls, you've heard EVERYTHING he's going to say about the jayhawks for the entire season.

Dotson is FAST, btw, if you didn't know.

No, a foul?

Horton Tucker is the next Alonzo Verge at ISU if you remember him.

Yes!

Quiet the crowd

@BShark where r u?

I'm thinking Grimes is starting to get it again.

If Dedric would wake up, we’d be in good shape

stop the turnovers and we might have a decent chance.

Not sure if the ESPN box is correct but we've outrebounded them 20-4

And 1

Grimes has some weird looking shots, that's for sure

Walked

David’s gotta catch that

sigh

Lawson's slow starts are getting to be a bad habit. 3 points in 17 min

Our post-feeding is next-level bad.

Hard not to swat that when he brought it down, sure it was a foul?

@stoptheflop of a board too.

Passing is not our strength.

I'll be leaving us at halftime to go watch KU target Adam Miller play. His school is using the gym at my school where his mom is a coworker of mine. He's the #1 junior in Illinois.

Both teams have shot 11-24. The story so far is turnovers and rebounds.

Just pull Dedric up to the top and let the guards keep driving. Thrown five or six turnovers trying to get it in to him

ESPN has IState with only 5 rbs. Does that seem right?

yes. We have a lot of long rebounds -- both offensive and defensive

yes. We have a lot of long rebounds -- both offensive and defensive

yes. We have a lot of long rebounds -- both offensive and defensive

@wissox Don't pay for any of his online classes unless he picks Uof I

@stoptheflop Rebounding is keeping us in the game.

stoptheflop said:

ESPN has IState with only 5 rbs. Does that seem right?

That’s what the Yahoo Sports box score says

WTF

@Woodrow five seems high to me

Oh boy. I would not want to be in the locker room at halftime.

we are our own worst enemy.

Was hoping we could get away with that for the next 3 minutes.

Jacobson travels more than an NBA player.

Brother

fugly

I was hoping today we'd open up a can of whup-ass on ISU.
So far, it looks like a can of dumb-ass.

lets go on a mini run to end the half

how can we not get a ball to Vick at the end. He hits a high percentage of contested long shots..

A lot of times ISU plays with 8 on the floor against us.

Come on guys

Pretty sad block out there

I'm surprised more teams haven't just packed the paint against us like ISU is. Offense has been ugly for the most part outside of Grimes driving.

There we go

Grimes hustle is very very good news.

He saw him

This looks like a junior high game, no offense to junior highers.

Q getting after it that a kid!!!

Over the back first

Whose gonna win this volleyball game?

wissox said:

This looks like a junior high game, no offense to junior highers.

None taken, it definitely looks like one of my team's games.

yeah. Officials have allowed for a pretty physical game.

I can't say what fran is thinking

I love it when our opponents celebrate at halftime

Lol

Ya know, it really helps to finish strong.

I really have no problems with the officials. I have a problem with so many careless turnovers.

some of the turnovers are crap calls by the officials... but we have not helped ourselves

Wow!not sure we could end a half with a worse last 40 seconds. Surely that was our bad half with 12 turnovers.

Is this simply an infomercial for the Clones or what? Little Frannie is just gushing all things Clones...

wissox said:

@jayballer73 Don't watch if you think we're going to get whipped

na thanks - -I think I will anyways - -but thanks for the off roflmao

@KUSTEVE I think his head will explode, it can't stretch any further🤯 my thoughts aren't very nice, or lady like

Long term, this game could be essential for our team. Mr. Grimes, you are playing great. I'm lovin' it...

I just hope Hilton is this wild when Tech visits.

Well all things considered were hanging right there. - considering we turned it over FOURTEEN TIMES - -and Dedric only scoring like 3-4 points and no Doke - -could of been a lot worse. - We just got to learn how to take care of the ball

@KUSTEVE

Nobody else is so that's a problem but yeah Grimes has been great

@KUSTEVE I think his contract requires him to say 1 nice thing per half about the Jayhawks. I think I heard him say "KU has a nice campus" or something like that.

we just don't look like we know how to run an offensive set. Every half court set feels slow, labored and improvised.

We just need to settle down, the end of the first was shades of the end of the ASU game, had a 4 point lead and we just started getting stupid. We have to get Dedric going here or it could be a long evening. Q was great all around and I think Dotson was solid as well. Just need to continue to rebound and stop turning the ball over.

@jayballer73 They certainly have LOTS of length on the perimeter. I don't think we're used to it. I'm hoping we settle down the 2nd half, and start protecting the ball, and make all these dumb fans very sad...

stoptheflop said:

ESPN has IState with only 5 rbs. Does that seem right?

ya. - -the radio announcers were saying the reason being with all the KU turnovers Iowa State didn't have chance for rebounds

@wissox lol...you behave yourself...hehehe...

@KUSTEVE To me the announcers are background noise, but today I have noticed Fran's constant talking about ISU.

Wow, that KU cheerleader they just showed cutting to commercial has some guns. And by guns, I mean biceps.

@DanR I think she's on their wrestling team.

@wissox He was talking about how fred and Proehm had rebuilt the program...I guess them finishing in last place didn't fit the narrative, so last year's results weren't mentioned.

@KUSTEVE I did hear that line, and I was thinking it's a little premature to call ISU rebuilt.

14 Turnovers. Ugh. But we were still up by 4 that they turned into a 4 pt. lead. Bad last couple of minutes.

If Silvio were playing I don't think ISU would have gotten a rebound that half.

They've only mentioned Niang three times so far. That's an improvement over last year

When was ISU "built" to begin with?

It's too bad really Fran mars these games because I do have some grudging respect for ISU. I loathe Iowa so a rival of Iowa's is a friend of mine sort of thing. They have great fans there in Ames. It's always an intense game there as well.

Got to go. Enjoy the rest of the game!

Slow down fran

Cut the turnovers way down and KU wins this one.

I guess bill didn’t chew them out about turnovers at half jeez

Crap officiating.

ok. they can score when we give them wide open shots. Good to know.

Ugh this really is like a junior high game

good lord, Vick. Get into Viper mode please.

I just expect more from a senior. sigh

Vick has to play better.

Vick has been picked twice on drives.

He's up to 7 turnovers.

Oh well not tonight

This team just isn't a team yet.

Oh brother - we steal then allow a steal right back. Ugh I can’t watch much more

My god Vick smh, I’d bench Dedric and Vick they are hurting more than helping. Why we don’t even try to get on a shooter that’s 3 for 3 is just laziness. This team can’t score and can’t defend, ill b honest I think the streak ends this and it may get ugly.

Vick has been a knucklehead for 3rd game in a row.

KU might be the third best team in the B12. Maybe.

yep. yep. yep.

Vick should only be allowed to stand in the corner and catch and shoot 3's.

We will win this game. We will win the Big 12. Tourney, dunno.

Dedric got hit on the layup he made after looking at that replay. He needs to be tougher but the refs are allowing ISU to be very physical with him.

I don't know about this game. We look pretty feeble.

Positives are we are rebounding excellent and only down 6 with 18 TOS.

I'm sure the game plan had Doke starting, but this isn't the first game without him.

Did u ever wonder why isu has so many dble- named players?

We're down by 6 and ISU has 16 points off turnovers. That's fixable.

@DanR in the 4 games without Doke Dedric averaged 23-ppg. He’s been very poor on offense so far. He’s got to step up. They know how to play without Doke.

we can cut down on the turnovers.. but I'm not sure we can get a stop when we need it and not sure we can get a shot when we need it.

kjayhawks said:

Positives are we are rebounding excellent and only down 6 with 18 TOS.

The turnovers are absurd today. Don't deserve to win a game like this.

Moving screen in a big way.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Moving screen in a big way.

Never getting called on ISU in Ames.

Iowa state has supreme confidence right now. We are giving them confidence.

Huge 3 by Wiggington. Might be the dagger

Jeez guys.

Fran,why did lard miss all those games?

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Fran,why did lard miss all those games?

Haha, ya right.

Dotson WYD.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Fran,why did lard miss all those games?

Haha, ya right.

:thinking:

Another TO! C’mon!

And 1.

Feeding Dedric. When KU doesn't turn it over this is a decent idea.

Take Moore out.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Take Moore out.

Need to gorilla glue him to the bench.

See Vick watching?

Vick is way too slow down the court given what we know about his athleticism.

They don't get that tip back if he's running the floor.

Well. This is about the toughest it's going to get for KU this season. Down by 9 in Ames with no Doke.

We will get a chance to learn about this team in the next several minutes.

I have never seen a worse team in transition.

Also be nice to shoot better than 50% from the line

I don't feel comfortable with Charlie going to the rack. At all.

Garrett needs to start over Vick once Doke comes back.

Vick has been awful. 7 TO s. He was just standing around when Lard just got that tip in.

Put DMac in. At least he hustles.

My prediction is that Vick won't be back in after the time out. We won't see him again until the under 4 min time out.

ok. Self giving him some slack.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Well. This is about the toughest it's going to get for KU this season. Down by 9 in Ames with no Doke.

We will get a chance to learn about this team in the next several minutes.

I've been busy today, what's the deal with no Doke?

Vick dove for the ball. THat's what we need more of.

where tf is Grimes? Our best offensive player today keeps getting subbed out for a midget who has no basketball IQ. Dotson is showing his age. Vick is proving his immaturity.

Easily the worst we’ve played so far this season. Garrett blows.

BShark said:

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Well. This is about the toughest it's going to get for KU this season. Down by 9 in Ames with no Doke.

We will get a chance to learn about this team in the next several minutes.

I've been busy today, what's the deal with no Doke?

Sprained right wrist in paractice.

Kcmatt7 said:

BShark said:

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Well. This is about the toughest it's going to get for KU this season. Down by 9 in Ames with no Doke.

We will get a chance to learn about this team in the next several minutes.

I've been busy today, what's the deal with no Doke?

Sprained right wrist in paractice.

Dammmmn it

STFU, Fran...

Good grief

This is a tough environment, but we need to stop giving them ammunition.

@BShark Hurt wrist yesterday, Self basically called Doke out for not toughing it out today because he thought Doke could play today.

Lawson is just getting pulverized.

Good d Dotson

Lol 20 turnovers. Several just simply not having strong hands

Self's gonna get T'd up at some point before the game is over.

Vick ought to be fresh for the final 10 minutes

Fran mentions Tennessee as a potential Final Four team, but doesn't bother to mention we beat them. Yet, he mentions everytime a Clone player scratches his nuts...

crushing blow.

Garrett absolutely is unplayable IMO. Bill Self pet project. A player so bad offensively on the court is a joke.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

Self's gonna get T'd up at some point before the game is over.

He is asking for it.

@KUSTEVE as he's.......

plenty of time left

Blouses

Take Vick out. He's awful.

Probably lose by 20

Just to lazy on defense

Is this team tough enough to come back?

@bskeet this two,lacks both leadership and toughness and by a long ways.

Hopefully after we lose the big 12 this season Self can end his transfer project, it’s crap.

KJ in with DMac. Not my favorite combo

Vick worse as a senior than unranked out of nowhere freshman. FBI investigation and us whiffing on Langford was brutal. Silvio not playing because FBI investigation is brutal.

Very upset right now.

Self waiving the white flag with this lineup. Wow

kjayhawks said:

Hopefully after we lose the big 12 this season Self can end his transfer project, it’s crap.

Oh Dedric has been carrying this team. Not all bad.

@Kcmatt7 I'm with you there. Seems like piling on.

This is the hustle five lineup, but we need points

Ok nevermind. this game is over.

ISU has been setting moving screens the whole game. Really?

Were they going to call the walk?

He was running.

We have no answers. We've given ISU enough confidence to hit 3s blindfolded from a cornfield.

holding them scoreless isn't really going to help if we don't get a shot off. --Capt. Obvious

@bskeet but that's how we get back in!

This team is going to struggle on the road all season. Might be lucky to get the 1 seed now. Have to hope for the 2 seed or 3 seed through KC still.

Let them shoot, cocky suckers! We either die or get back in

Put Silvio in. They won't expect that move, Bill.

Whiners!

wasted two minutes

BShark said:

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Moving screen in a big way.

Never getting called on ISU in Ames.

But they got Lightfoot for it

But fran if u go into him it can be an offensive foul

15 points in 13 minutes...

Hey we made a basket!

sticking to the offensive game plan. OK

we get 2 points, they get 5.

Who's the leading scorer?

make them sweat at least, guys

KU's bad perimeter defense surfacing again today.

there is no more excuses - you can't turn this into anything positive at all - - can't try and give them an excuse - - -I mean 22 turnovers with over 7 minutes to go in the gamest played ugly ugly ball. - -You got Vick just sloppy play -WHOLE fricken team - -you just can't try and cover for them. - - -They look REALLY BAD - -and the thing is - -This WON'T be the last time.

Terrible defense - - you can see how frustrated Self is - -look at this line up - -Grimes - -- McCormack - - Moore - - -Lawson - - -ought to tell you some - -Iowa State 7-10 from the 3 in the 2nd half? - -nice defense. - - the ONE positive is Quentin coming out of his slump

Put Agbaji and Silvio in.

Walk

The only good thing about today has been Q.

Good hustle. Same team.

Swiss cheese

Charlie Moore is not a D1 basketball player

Good defense.

There is really nothing left to say that hasn't been said already.

Not even good enough to make 1 run. Really bad.

Worst game by Dotson and Vick and Dedric all season.

I've never seen Dedric so bad

I've never seen Dedric so bad

Ill be recording hawk talk on Monday for sure

Ditto

Texas Hawk 10 said:

Worst game by Dotson and Vick all season.

I don't think Dotson has played that bad. He has too many turnovers, but Vick has been a lot worse.

@KirkIsMyHinrich Didn't say Dotson was worse than Vick, just Dotson's worst game this season.

I wish we wouldn't give up. Play with some pride, even if the outcome looks bad.

For the one's who love those polls thinking we are getting cheated in the polls - - - - -talking about being # 1? in the polls - -- -PLEASE - -Like Bshark saying we might be the 3rd best team in the League - -& very legit chance our run in championships could be in Serio us jeopardy this year - -just stating the truth - -the proof Is in the pudding - -lots of flaws. - -Terrible defense, - - sad perimeter shooting

@KirkIsMyHinrich he’s been out of control almost all game. His job is to take care of the ball and get us into the offense.

Safe to say that hasn’t happened today.

He’s far from the problem, but he was not the player he’s been all season.

Hey, we don't have doke! 2 losses w/out him

Dedric sucks so bad defensively if he ain’t putting up 20+ he ineffective. I’m claim Self was full sh** when he said no one on the team could guard him. The dude misses 5 bunnies a games, Vick is in mid season ghost form. This is the 2005 team to a T no ones having fun or smiling even when we are winning, we are due for a bad year and this is it folks.

We played out of control from the tip-off. I’m very confused by the pace in which we tried to play this game.

Chuck's shot selection is bizarre.

I've seen us make a lot of comebacks and have always felt we had a shot in those.. This is not like any of those.

My guess is we are still a top 20 team in the next poll.

Got a better shot with the walk-ons at this point

I could tell they would shoot more than 10% over their typical 3pt percentage once we gave them the shot of confidence.

kJ?

smooth move there, KJ

Bill Self does not know how to coach perimeter D. He’s proven that.

KJ = scrub
Moore = scrub

This is the worst I've seen KU look from start to finish in a game since the TCU "Topeka YMCA" game.

Yes.. That is the last time we looked this crappy.

Kcmatt7 said:

Charlie Moore is not a D1 basketball player

So Charlie isn't - -- hmmm sure looks like he isn't the only one - with this Olay TEAM defense if that what you want o call it - -this is a TEAM LOSS - -this won't be the only time with the way this team attempts to play defense & guys jacking up shots.- - they said we were held when they said this 25 points under their average - -well ya that's an obvious statement when you have 24 turnovers - just a pathetic effort

Ever? Our record there fran?

Good thing ISU isn’t a good 3pt shooting team. Only 52% today.

No Doke (or Silvio), so this isn't the end of the world

Let’s real for a minute KJ, Moore and Lightfoot are all not D1 level players at least not at the power 5 level. Complete waste of scholarships IMO.

kjayhawks said:

Let’s real for a minute KJ, Moore and Lightfoot are all not D1 level players at least not at the power 5 level. Complete waste of scholarships IMO.

Disagree

I'll be at the isu game, I got it!

Never have I welcomed the Bill Self rotation trimming more than right now. KJ and Moore shouldn't see court before the outcome of a game is certain.

Aaand...yet another trey from the Clones. Seen this movie way too many times before.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

Worst game by Dotson and Vick and Dedric all season.

last I heard Vick 7 turnover's - - -Dotson 5 turnover's high school ball

Fran, why did Fred's daughter go to ku?

Came out of the locker room with even less poise.

See you in Lawrence, clowns.

Came out of the locker room with even less poise.

Hope this motivates the team. Sky is not falling, but this was a messy loss.

Fugly. Hopefully Grimes is getting in his groove. Earth to Vick. Earth to Vick.

Rock Chalk, Shayok

approxinfinity said:

Never have I welcomed the Bill Self rotation trimming more than right now. KJ and Moore shouldn't see court before the outcome of a game is certain.

New rotation:

• Dotson - 40 minutes
• Grimes - 40 minutes
• Vick - 40 minutes if he’s hot, sub him out if he plays like an idiot. Sub Garrett
• Dedric - 40 minutes
• Doke - 30 minutes and sub Big Dave.

That’s it. 7 man.

@approxinfinity excalty, they are completely a waste at this point. We maybe SDS to be successful this season and that may not happen.

@Crimsonorblue22 The way we were playing defense - -the way we turned the ball over - wouldn't of mattered - -Arizona State - - ya - -Today no way

Shayok seems like a good kid

Garrett needs to start over Vick and run point and let Dotson play off the ball. Dotson is better off the ball and Garrett is better when it's in his hands running the show.

Kcmatt7 said:

approxinfinity said:

Never have I welcomed the Bill Self rotation trimming more than right now. KJ and Moore shouldn't see court before the outcome of a game is certain.

New rotation:

• Dotson - 40 minutes
• Grimes - 40 minutes
• Vick - 40 minutes if he’s hot, sub him out if he plays like an idiot. Sub Garrett
• Dedric - 40 minutes
• Doke - 30 minutes and sub Big Dave.

That’s it. 7 man.

I remember when we thought this team was deep.

It’s funny. I thought we would be absolutely stacked.

We are not. We are thin. We do not shoot well.

Only positive today was Grimes. Except that for some reason he did something to piss Bill off and Self continues to put Moore in for him. Which is dumbfounding at this point.

@Bwag me too

@Kcmatt7 we don't want any Mitch in that rotation?

Taking Silvio and Doke out of this team too much to overcome.

approxinfinity said:

@Kcmatt7 we don't want any Mitch in that rotation?

Unplayable with a team that can’t shoot because he doesn’t look to score.

We can't afford Vick to turn into a vegetable. That's the thing I struggle to believe we will overcome. When your lone deadeye is prone to bad decisions it's a problem. Makes me think whenever he touches the ball he should be bombing and not looking to create. ? I don't have the answer. Need to think about how we should be using him

approxinfinity said:

We can't afford Vick to turn into a vegetable. That's the thing I struggle to believe we will overcome. When your lone deadeye is prone to bad decisions it's a problem. Makes me think whenever he touches the ball he should be bombing and not looking to create. ?

He has 0 basketball IQ and all the talent in the world.

@approxinfinity Vick has never been a dead eye shooter though. He's always been streaky. Dotson is one that can be a dead eye shooter, but he needs to be off the ball more to get more open looks.

NCAA should be sued for negligence. It should not take this long to look into the issue and make a ruling. Holding a school and a student-athlete in limbo indefinitely is either a sign of gross incompetence or of deliberate malfeasance. They should be called on it.

@bskeet sadly if it was a Duke or UNC player the ruling would’ve been made months ago. Sometimes I hope the NCAA gets replaced at some point and isn’t so Biased, the ACC and SEC have been giving loop holes left and right year after year.

Alabama and Clemson.

Nuff said.

Bout the only positive thing today was seeing Q be aggressive and make some plays. Other than that, every step in AFH should hit my these guys for being lazy.

We don't have to look very hard at all for this . -- - Vick - -7 turnovers - - -Lawson- -6 turnovers - - -& Dotson- -5 - - turnovers - = - -18 of our 24 turnovers - - + - 52% - - -3pt shooting- - -pretty easy not hard to figure out why the loss - - now who in here didn't know they would Double every dam time Dedric down low when he touched the ball - -he needs to stop shooting the 3 -- 17 % coming into this game

I'm not sweating this game. We looked pretty crappy, played terrible, and got our ass handed to us. It's January 5th, folks. We looked really bad at this time last year as well, and it worked out pretty good. No doubt we have a long way to go. I'm real excited to see Grimes play well. He was pretty much the only bright spot today. Hopefully Doke will feel good enough he'll want to play for us at some point in the future, although I don't think it would've helped much today. We live to fight another day.

Ouch

@approxinfinity it's like Vick came back just for himself.

I’ve been trying to think of a way to summarize that game and Self in his presser hit the nail on the head. Said they played very “immature”

Said veterans find a way to win. That’s clearly what this team is missing. We got so spoiled with Frank, D Graham, and Svi that as fans we took winning on the road for granted. Those guys were not only unbelievable players, but they bled Crimson and Blue and willed their teams to several wins. This team does not have that, and it is not something you can coach.

@kjayhawks Agreed. Only positive was Q continuing to slowly look like the player we thought we was going to be.

@Crimsonorblue22 Yes.....Vick was unbelievably bad.

@KUSTEVE Agree. This loss in and of itself does not hurt us. Losing on the road to one of the teams that will compete for the conference championship does not sink our ship. How we respond is what matters.

KU all the way down to #11 in KenPom. After Duke and KU were way out in front of everyone to begin the year KU has been slipping. For good reason.

kjayhawks said:

Bout the only positive thing today was seeing Q be aggressive and make some plays. Other than that, every step in AFH should hit my these guys for being lazy.

listening to post game - -and people saying it's still early need to find leaders - -Honestly - -how many can truthfully that they can seeing us really improving THAT much? - -now keep it real - -this team is just not or can't see it. - -Is there still people that think this team makes a deep run in the Tourney? - -Please convince me

As bad as KU looked, I still don't think ISU is a real threat to win the league. They don't shoot that well and I think they're 5th or 6th best in the league. I think Tech, OU, are all better right now and KSU with a healthy Wade is better. Not saying ISU is a bad team because I think they're a tournament team this year, but they really didn't impress me that much today. This game was much more about KU playing they're worst game in years than ISU lighting them up.

I think the B12 is a 6, maybe 7 depending on Texas, bid league this year. I think Tech and KSU (with Wade) are built the best to make a deep run in the NCAA tournament this year, but I still think KU wins the regular season title. I'd put money on Tech in B12 tournament.

@Woodrow cox didn't show post game, did any players do interviews?

@Crimsonorblue22 only quotes I saw were from Dedric and Bill.

@Crimsonorblue22 Dedric and Quentin answered questions from the press.

@jayballer73 I guess I would say that we beat both MSU and UT. Those are two good teams. We are capable of beating anyone. Will we in the tourney? Your guess is as good as mine.

The loss really doesn’t mean a ton at this point, I’m fairly disappointed and have stated that several times lol but we know why we lost - poor shooting all around, turnovers and poor 3 point defense. All things that are able to be improved on, not to mention a far share of teams will lose in Hilton this year and on the road in general. I feel like the big 12 has the toughest venues as a whole to visit especially when you’re the top dog like we are.

Kcmatt7 said:

approxinfinity said:

@Kcmatt7 we don't want any Mitch in that rotation?

Unplayable with a team that can’t shoot because he doesn’t look to score.

Mitch is a bad offensive player overall. Quite passable defensively in the right spots.

bskeet said:

Taking Silvio and Doke out of this team too much to overcome.

Yup. :(

Doke is so good and Silvio was really coming along.

We need a leader, sure as heck isn't Vick!

I had to go to a dinner when we were up 29-27. Recorded the rest and just fast forwarded through the rest - wish I hadn't. I know others are trying to find a silver lining and others saying its no big deal, but really..... 24 turnovers against a team that doesn't generally create a lot of turnovers? Vick accounting for 7??? Remarkable number for someone who isn't the primary or even secondary ball handler? Losing to ISU at Hilton isn't that unexpected, but to lose by 17? ISU hadn't beaten anyway of note before today - had lost to the only two decent teams they had played (and AZ isn't that good). Shot 30% from the 3pt line - unfortunately, that appears to be consistent with how this team has shot from distance all year. Is it realistic to expect significant improvement going forward? Where or who would it come from?

With regard to the conference, there is always an overreaction to early results and any number of commentators who say this is the year that the streak ends. But it is a true fact that TTU and ISU already have good conference road wins, so they definitely have an early leg up.

KU still owns one of the best, if not the best, collection of wins of any team so far. We can beat anyone on a given night. But, the flip side is probably also true. Increasingly, teams will surround Doke or Lawson and dare our perimeter guys to beat them. The risk for them is that maybe Vick has one of his hot games, but it seems like a winning strategy to me.

Self needs to bench Vick. Send a message.

@BShark that rebound! I guess he thought it magically was his?

I'm watching Bragg

KUSTEVE said:

I'm not sweating this game. We looked pretty crappy, played terrible, and got our ass handed to us. It's January 5th, folks. We looked really bad at this time last year as well, and it worked out pretty good. No doubt we have a long way to go. I'm real excited to see Grimes play well. He was pretty much the only bright spot today. Hopefully Doke will feel good enough he'll want to play for us at some point in the future, although I don't think it would've helped much today. We live to fight another day.

Sounds good. - -I would sure like for someone to show me where this team has improved for the beginning of the year. -- have they improved in their shooting ? - -- -umm NOPE - - -have they improved in ball handling - - umm - -NOPE - - have they improved on the defensive end - -especially defending the 3 ? - - -umm NOPE - - have they established a leader on this team? - - - umm NOPE - -has Doke improved on his free throw shooting - - umm NOPE - - please someone - - -Anyone please tell me where THIS team has improved on ANYTHING since the beginning of the season. -- I'll wait go ahead I'll wait - - they have improved on nothing - nothing since the beginning.

I had said this countless times - -that we have been playing with a loaded gun , most of the season - - borrowed time -- house money - -we tonight we got a glimpse of what's coming in the Big 12 play if something doesn't change.

All I hear oh well it's early - - it's early - -people relax - -well that song has been sung out. - -Non Con - - is early - -this is no longer early , you wanna keep runnin with that - then I want to smoke some of that crap you hittin on - cause - -it's go time whether you like it or not - -no more bullshit trying to twist things all around ke-ep trying to cover it up - -I mean this is real -- it is what it is.

Who here didn't realize from the get go that as soon as they found out to Doke was out - -how many didn't know that they would be doubling Dedric every time he touch the ball? - -They KNEW they could cause we can't shoot worth a tinkers dam from the outside period. - - - these guys better wake the hell up and understand it's go time boys - -this is for real -stat playing - we have YET to see this team play a complete gam 10-20 minutes of decent ball isn't gonna cut it - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

DCHawker said:

I had to go to a dinner when we were up 29-27. Recorded the rest and just fast forwarded through the rest - wish I hadn't. I know others are trying to find a silver lining and others saying its no big deal, but really..... 24 turnovers against a team that doesn't generally create a lot of turnovers? Vick accounting for 7??? Remarkable number for someone who isn't the primary or even secondary ball handler? Losing to ISU at Hilton isn't that unexpected, but to lose by 17? ISU hadn't beaten anyway of note before today - had lost to the only two decent teams they had played (and AZ isn't that good). Shot 30% from the 3pt line - unfortunately, that appears to be consistent with how this team has shot from distance all year. Is it realistic to expect significant improvement going forward? Where or who would it come from?

With regard to the conference, there is always an overreaction to early results and any number of commentators who say this is the year that the streak ends. But it is a true fact that TTU and ISU already have good conference road wins, so they definitely have an early leg up.

KU still owns one of the best, if not the best, collection of wins of any team so far. We can beat anyone on a given night. But, the flip side is probably also true. Increasingly, teams will surround Doke or Lawson and dare our perimeter guys to beat them. The risk for them is that maybe Vick has one of his hot games, but it seems like a winning strategy to me.

THE thing is a lot of these turnovers were unforce turnovers - just reckless as hell - -when is the last time we have had a team that has had such turnover problems such as this?

Went to my cousin’s wedding today; she gave me one heck of a present missing that turd of a game!

My usual DVRd reaction:

— surprised we got smoked, but not surprised we lost. Thought that was a strong possibility at Hilton.

— I still think this team is like a bunch of furniture you buy at the thrift store — doesn’t quite go together.

— Vick is trying too hard to be something he is not.

— as usual, teams have career days beyond the arc against us. Some contested, most not.

— the defense was mostly an atrocity. So many open players everywhere — and our players standing around wondering why

— Grimes...hmmm. Upvote.

— Dotson needs to shoot more.

— I’m hard pressed to remain positive on Mitch and Moore.

— Dok would have destroyed that ISU defense

@jayballer73 We still have to play the season out. I'm telling you that because you're disgusted, and it doesn't look like there would be any way to fix this hot mess. We've been here before, though. if we still look this bad in March, then we might have to stick a fork in us. but, it's not like we haven't been through this before. Remember when we went up to an unranked Temple team a few years back, and got beat by 25? How about those WVU beatdowns a few years back? Last year, we lost some games that were pure head scratchers. That loss by 15 to OSU was abysmal. Thank God for Devonte. This year, we need one or two players to stand up and start leading when the chips are down. Somebody on the team is hopefully really pissed about yesterday. Pissed enough to go off, and get these dudes to focus in, and start competing. I think it's going be Devon, but I could be wrong.

Leadership and toughness are two things that need figured out with this team , preferably soon.

It's not the only thing, but one major problem this team has is turnovers. And the turnovers are happening a lot either when Kansas is in transition or feeding the post - times that Kansas should be scoring the ball . It's really bad when a 5-on-1 fastbreak nearly results in a turnover. I don't trust this team in transition at all. The post-feeding is a combination of things I think, but a lot of it is Kansas not being patient enough on offense to move the ball side-to-side, get ball-reversal, and get easy looks into the post. Instead we're forcing the ball into the post and it's getting stolen a lot. Dedric also needs to be stronger receiving the ball.

If Doke can't go next game I want a starting lineup of Dotson, Grimes, Garrett, Dedric, DMac. And I want KJ to play more. I absolutely think this team can be good without Vick.

KUSTEVE said:

@jayballer73 We still have to play the season out. I'm telling you that because you're disgusted, and it doesn't look like there would be any way to fix this hot mess. We've been here before, though. if we still look this bad in March, then we might have to stick a fork in us. but, it's not like we haven't been through this before. Remember when we went up to an unranked Temple team a few years back, and got beat by 25? How about those WVU beatdowns a few years back? Last year, we lost some games that were pure head scratchers. That loss by 15 to OSU was abysmal. Thank God for Devonte. This year, we need one or two players to stand up and start leading when the chips are down. Somebody on the team is hopefully really pissed about yesterday. Pissed enough to go off, and get these dudes to focus in, and start competing. I think it's going be Devon, but I could be wrong.

ya it sounds good - -but as you know our problems just became a lot worse. - sory bud -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

I wasn't able to watch.

Forgot to DVR the game.

Thank you Lord.

nuleafjhawk said:

I wasn't able to watch.

Forgot to DVR the game.

Thank you Lord.

You might be the luckiest KU fan alive. The 2nd half especially was brutal on the eyes

Somehow KU is still ranked #7 in the new AP poll.

7 KU

8 Tech

20 Iowa St.

23 OU

25 TCU

Woodrow said:

Somehow KU is still ranked #7 in the new AP poll.

7 KU

8 Tech

20 Iowa St.

23 OU

25 TCU

that's crazy we only dropped 2 - - hmmm & that's with them knowing we have lost Doke

@jayballer73 Doesn't make any sense to me. Nevada is still ranked #10 after getting destroyed at New Mexico. I know road conference games are tough, but they were 14-15 point favorites.

Woodrow said:

@jayballer73 Doesn't make any sense to me. Nevada is still ranked #10 after getting destroyed at New Mexico. I know road conference games are tough, but they were 14-15 point favorites.

dam they must have been drinking some really strong coffee while filling out their ballots this week lol

@Woodrow That is obscene. We shouldn't even be ranked #7 in the Big 12. Seriously.

I saw a ballot before we knew about doke