Lots of debate and discussion on Marcus Garrett's shooting. Forget that. We all love having Garrett on the team. I'd like to suggest that whoever would like to contribute, just a quick statement of what you like best about Garrett. It will be amazing to see the list pile up on this guy, and to realize, as many have pointed out, that his positives are immense.
For me - The lost art of challenging the passing lanes.
The ball slap. His hands are lethal weapons anytime anyone brings the ball within a mile of him. He takes the ball away for a run out practically every game.
I love Marcus as a Jayhawk. He brings many things to the team: energy, defense and basketball knowledge. It took a lot of courage for Marcus to play on the injured ankle last year. I can't wait to see what Marcus brings to this year's team.
If the guy could even shoot as well as the viral 8 year old going around right now, heād be a first round draft pick. He has all the athleticism you want from a guard. He has the versatility you can only dream of. He plays his ass off. He is the best defender I can remember under Self since Robinson. He is selfless. Heās a warrior. And even 5 years ago he would have been special
Love Marcus overall defense - -the guy is relentless , he will strip you clean in a minute & he is a JAYHAWK 10000% through and through - can tell he loves the School. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I liked the way he was driving the last three games before his injury. He was getting to the rim and scoring with ease.
Watch him move his feet on defense. It's a sight to see.
I think by the time he is a senior he will be one of, if not the best defensive players under Self and Williams. He gets a ton of deflections, my coaches always to me the guys that want to win the most are those with the most deflections, loose balls and rebounds. Those guys are the ones doing the dirty work.
Yes
1) fantastic foot movement on D, And he follows right thru opponents on D to the end, Which alters a lots of shots.
2) switches well, and very vocal on switching. This often fell on deaf ears, or less experienced players were too slow to pick up the switch.
3) BOXES OUT BOXES OUT BOXES OUT ( a long running pet peeve of mine for many KU players over the years... I mean how damn hard is it to, When the shot goes up, find your man or a man and body him?? I donāt know if it is possible to do a type of analysis of how many second chance points would not be scored by opponents, and games consequently won, if more players would just box out properly, but would be interesting to see..)
4) does exactly what the coaches tell him to do and was worked on during practice ( no secret why Self and the staff love him) ... remember when (was it midway thru the season? I forgot) he started driving a ton during games?? That directive came from Self. Shoot and drive and force the defense to stop you ... granted he of course is not at all a natural scorer, But he did as told.
5) the very definition of Team Player. 100% certain I will be watching his senior night, probably wearing a Garrett jersey when I do
He doesn't sit on the bench, whining and bitching about not playing. He gets recruited over constantly, and never says a word.
His total buy-in on defense. Defense takes far more brain power and energy and commitment than offense, and defense is full of 'dirty work' that nobody but the coaches (and a few astute Board Rats) recognize and applaud. Most casual fans tend to think that when the opposition's best scorer doesn't put up big numbers, it's because he had an 'off night.' But those in the know realize it's often because players like Garrett are working their patoots off denying their mark even getting the ball in the first place. Garrett is committed to not letting his man get off anything resembling a good look, and if possible, picking his pocket before he can gather to shoot. One of my all time favorite Jayhawks. I love to watch him defend against motion offenses.
This year can be elite defensively. Garrett and Ochai are big reasons why.
This should really be Marcus' year. He's got size backing him up in the post, which means he can take a few more defensive risks out front.
I like his reflexes best of all.
I'm hoping he figures out a few more mental sides of defense.
Lures, bluffs and other deceptions - I'm hoping Marcus figures out the mental side of defense. He can entice the ball to come into his fingers by adding deception to his game. To start... he can sometimes create a bit extra space, enticing the ball into the passing lane, but he's all over it with his reflexes... ready for a steal. Then there is the "look the other way" when the defender doesn't appear to be paying attention to his man or the passer. Then there are the bluffs... bluffing to bite on the switch, bluffing the anticipation of one passing lane when preparing to pounce on another passing lane.
Old NBA footage is where a player can learn this stuff. It's so rarely done today. Steph Curry is pretty good at it.
I'd also like to see Marcus "challenge the dribble." Another part of defense that is largely gone. He has good enough reflexes and arm length to swipe balls off the dribble if he went to work on it. This is where it's good if he knows deception, too.
Marcus might be playing angry this year. :eyes:
Marcus looks bigger these days. Really has filled out. Looks 200-210 now.
BShark said:
Marcus might be playing angry this year. :eyes:
And this is the guy that some say hope he transfers cause never one squat - - - I'm done
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Marco said:
@BShark Garrett will be a great defensive spark plug coming off the bench. His decreased minutes will allow him to go full bore!
Who's starting over him?
Moss is the only possibility.
His minutes are not dropping much either way though.
I knew I was forgetting someone.
Marcus needs to guarding the opponents best perimeter player and Dotson needs to guarding their worst to conserve his energy as much as possible because Dotson will be playing 35+ mpg without a quality bench player behind him. If McBride isn't ready yet (very real possibility), Marcus Garrett is the back up PG.
Flaherty from 247 on Garrett,
"In short, it hasnāt been pretty, but it might not be as far away as people think. Last season, Garrett had a noticeable hitch in his motion, something that led to him making just 12-of-49 3-pointers, or 24.5 percent. Said hitch is gone; Garrett is now shooting with a much more fluid motion, which makes sense; the Kansas staff has said before that they expect Garrett to be able to shoot eventually, as heās one of the teamās hardest workers and few were going to get up as many shots. But he made just 1-of-9 3-pointers in the two scrimmages, and the one that he made bounced in. And while a number of those shots were on target, they rimmed out ā including an in-and-out miss Tuesday ā in large part thanks to a strange horizontal spin Garrett is still putting on the ball.
After the scrimmage, I called our director of basketball scouting, Jerry Meyer, who played at Lipscomb for Hall of Fame coach Don Meyer (his father), and who coached at Vanderbilt to ask about that side-spin problem. Meyer said most often, that motion was added by too much push from the off-hand thumbāin Garrettās case, his left thumb. Another coach that I called confirmed the diagnosis, noting that it shouldnāt be a difficult adjustment to make. With no hitch and a shot thatās more consistently on line, Garrettās already putting in the work.
Interestingly enough, when Issac McBride talked with media members afterward, he was asked ā after watching last yearās team ā which player surprised him the most. His answer was Garrett, with McBride noting that he had no idea Garrett was as offensively skilled as he was."
@FarmerJayhawk Shooting is a skill. That's why I'm not worried about Marcus. He will eventually get it down pat.
KUSTEVE said:
@FarmerJayhawk Shooting is a skill. That's why I'm not worried about Marcus. He will eventually get it down pat.
Now tell me buddy , will that be in THIS decade - -or is something that younger people can look to in their futures lmao. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@jayballer73 I've never said - not one time - that Garrett should transfer.
Marco said:
@jayballer73 I've never said - not one time - that Garrett should transfer.
Why of course you didn't - -let's go down memory lane shall we?
2 days ago of the Mitch thread what you actually said was and I quote " - Let me say it Redshirt Mitch & Garrett. ( ok now you ready here is where you are telling Garrett - - ready ? ) - Oh No, Garrett might transfer ! - - then you say - - GO AHEAD - which your referring to Garrett to transfer - -again your telling Garett GO AHEAD TRANSFER. - - Because as we all know just like you was so careful to point out - - Really what DOES HE ( referring to Garrett ) - what does he offer ? -- NOT SQUAT -- referring that Marcus doesn't do squat.
Ya ok there buddy you just keep thinking that - -telling him that ya go ahead transfer - - But wait you didn't say that right? - - I mean it's your story you stick that big boy. - -lmao -- BUT sell that shit to someone else Cause I ain't buying it & Marcus ain't buying it -- Marcus is staying right here -where he belongs - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@jayballer73 Easy .. as I read it, he was fine if Garrett transferred as a consequence of Garrett being redshirted. That's different than saying he should transfer. And we should also, I think, understand that a valuable player in one person's eyes is not in another person's. That's debatable. And until Garrett can shoot better than the third best player on a 7th grad team, it's a valid discussion point.
So, I said a long, long time ago, if Jamari Traylor never played here, we would have been a better team. That isn't for lack of appreciation, that's based on my belief that his net contributions were negative relative to the next best option.
On that point, I think @Marco loses in his position on Garrett. Garrett, I think, in the proper role, provides a strong net positive. But again, until he can actually shoot the ball at a semi-competent rate, that opinion is one that can easily be contested.
HighEliteMajor said:
@jayballer73 Easy .. as I read it, he was fine if Garrett transferred as a consequence of Garrett being redshirted. That's different than saying he should transfer. And we should also, I think, understand that a valuable player in one person's eyes is not in another person's. That's debatable. And until Garrett can shoot better than the third best player on a 7th grad team, it's a valid discussion point.
So, I said a long, long time ago, if Jamari Traylor never played here, we would have been a better team. That isn't for lack of appreciation, that's based on my belief that his net contributions were negative relative to the next best option.
On that point, I think @Marco loses in his position on Garrett. Garrett, I think, in the proper role, provides a strong net positive. But again, until he can actually shoot the ball at a semi-competent rate, that opinion is one that can easily be contested.
No sorry buddy I'm not sittin with this - -this guy saying Marcus hasn't done squat - -that don't fly with me -- sorry man - -ain't working with me - -he coming off to me as Marcus hasn't don't squat SO LEAVE - Marcus has done plenty
@jayballer73 That is not the same as saying that he should
@jayballer73 š
@jayballer73 Didn't say he hasn't done squat, either. Relax, take a xanex.
@Marco @Jayballer73 is loyal to his guys, ease up.
I don't mean to change the subject or anything, but have I mentioned what a freaking bum that Trevor " Can't Pitch Worth a Crap" Williams really is?
HighEliteMajor said:
@jayballer73 Easy .. as I read it, he was fine if Garrett transferred as a consequence of Garrett being redshirted. That's different than saying he should transfer. And we should also, I think, understand that a valuable player in one person's eyes is not in another person's. That's debatable. And until Garrett can shoot better than the third best player on a 7th grad team, it's a valid discussion point.
So, I said a long, long time ago, if Jamari Traylor never played here, we would have been a better team. That isn't for lack of appreciation, that's based on my belief that his net contributions were negative relative to the next best option.
On that point, I think @Marco loses in his position on Garrett. Garrett, I think, in the proper role, provides a strong net positive. But again, until he can actually shoot the ball at a semi-competent rate, that opinion is one that can easily be contested.
Did you see Kevin Flaherty's article on Garrett's shooting? He talks about how Garrett's shot doesn't have the same hitch in it but also has a horizontal spin, which we have discussed on here about his and Dok's shooting. Question is: if we notice it and sports writers notice it over the past year or two, why the blank is it still the same? Doesn't seem like fixing that problem would be nuclear physics.
I'm with you on that... When we play teams that have a dominant offensive player (PG - 3 and sometimes 4) put Marcus on him.
Marcus is a huge weapon for us. Relieving his teammates from being stuck guarding tough assignments that can easily put them in foul trouble while they get scored on.
Marco said:
@jayballer73 That is not the same as saying that he should
you can spin twist turn whatever the hell you want to try an say it - -bottom line you saying Marcus hasn't don't squat is just totally insane - he has done about for this team intangibles -a statement like that is or just goes to show how little you really know about the kid or game.
I tell ya what Coach Marco - I bet ya this I bet if you ask the Coach's or comment how Marcus hasn't done squat - -I know this I bet there just might speak a little different then what your opinion is - I know that much
Marco said:
@jayballer73 Didn't say he hasn't done squat, either. Relax, take a xanex.
go back an read your post - -you said what does he offer - - -not squat - again twist the words around anyway you want bottom line you saying he has done squat - -if he doesn't offer squat - then he hasn't done sqat - doesn't matter anymore just an insane statement - end of story thanks - take a zanex? - - could I borrow some , you got plenty? - -lmao - thanks for offering -I think me and baby Jane will stick with our 420 but appreciate it anyways - -have a great night -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Let's remember how suddenly Marcus became an offensive threat... until he got banged up and slowed down. That happened before his high ankle sprain, which really hampered his game.
BTW, Marcus still isn't 100%. I'm hopeful he gets there by the end of December.
@drgnslayr When he puts it all together, and he will put it all together ... either this year or next... we're going to feel ashamed how we dogged him.
BTW, Trevor Williams blows chunks ...
@drgnslayr good point about his offensive game. Who was it, McBride, that said he had no idea how good Marcus is offensively. I distinctly remember the ISU game at home this past year and how Marcus was shredding the ISU defense almost every trip down the floor. Then the high ankle sprain happened and he wasn't the same. I want that version of him this year with a plus 30% three point gun this year.
KUSTEVE said:
@drgnslayr When he puts it all together, and he will put it all together ... either this year or next... we're going to feel ashamed how we dogged him.
hmmmm - hmmmm - psssssst hello lol - don't see me dogging him - -ask Jenny lol
š Ruff, ruff, Lol. I'll say this, looking forward to seeing how he fits into the rotation this season and how much time he gets. I'll admit it, I probably seemed to be unfairly dogging on him and didn't mean to be so blunt. Next time I'll type less while drinking more....
KUSTEVE said:
@drgnslayr When he puts it all together, and he will put it all together ... either this year or next... we're going to feel ashamed how we dogged him.
I love this post. Weāre going to realize how important Marcus is in this rotation however itāll be after he graduates. We talk about moving away frown AODs and move closer to a 4 star who bleeds crimson and blue. Marcus is that guy we want.
Heāll be a bench player but have started minutes.
rockchalkwyo said:
KUSTEVE said:
@drgnslayr When he puts it all together, and he will put it all together ... either this year or next... we're going to feel ashamed how we dogged him.
I love this post. Weāre going to realize how important Marcus is in this rotation however itāll be after he graduates. We talk about moving away frown AODs and move closer to a 4 star who bleeds crimson and blue. Marcus is that guy we want.
Heāll be a bench player but have started minutes.
Okay guys, I get it.... I was a bit harsh in regard to Marcus. Even coaches can be wrong. Sincerely, Coach Marco
rockchalkwyo said:
KUSTEVE said:
@drgnslayr When he puts it all together, and he will put it all together ... either this year or next... we're going to feel ashamed how we dogged him.
I love this post. Weāre going to realize how important Marcus is in this rotation however itāll be after he graduates. We talk about moving away frown AODs and move closer to a 4 star who bleeds crimson and blue. Marcus is that guy we want.
Heāll be a bench player but have started minutes.
Add Mitch to the bleed C&M bandwagon as well. Prison Mitch has been recruited over every year and yet he still stands. He may even take a red-shirt just to extend his time here. Who knows but in today's climate 99/100 of those kids transfer for what they think is greener pastures and opportunity. Mitch has stuck it out. It's a rare quality to see today.
Marcus is a hard worker. I think he'll figure something out or recognize other ways he can help this team win games. I hope he takes all the criticism around his shooting ability as fuel and motivation.
@KUSTEVE
Jenny says - good rockin tune! thanks
and as a drummer, its nice to see a drummer sing lead..
not sure why it's in this thread, but I aint usually the sharpest crayon in the box.
Oh, and I LOVE Garrett - my fav current player. and based on the type of player he is, I'm sure people could guess my other fav KU past players...
someday I'll attempt an in-depth analysis on how guys like him help win games without necessarily scoring.
Yep... thatās definitely one... I loves me my team workhorse types....
KY, JT.
I'd like to see Marcus step up this year and LEAD our defense! He's earned that respect from his teammates. He just needs to step from out of the shadows. A bit more self-confidence should do the trick.
I'm pretty sure our coaches could work this concept into his psyche. The more we build his confidence, the more we see him contribute in all parts of his game. Might even help his jump shot fall at a higher rate.
I remember, back in the day, being coached into a more confident shot. I was trained to tell myself "I'm gonna get this one!" every time I went up for a shot. It helped me immensely, especially because I was a poor shooter in the first place. I think it helped me stay more focused throughout the shot and I put everything into each and every shot. I bet it lifted me 10% on my shot. It's a natural and easy technique to do. I bet Marcus could gain from doing this.