Agree. Beating Tech would be pretty incredible. Which feels really weird to type but they are good.
BShark
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So looking forward. 5-2 going down the stretch would be pretty good for this team I think. 6-1 incredible. I kinda expect 4-3.
Not sure about that, Barnes was there a long time I think they were just done with him. Kinda like Pitt and Dixon. Sometimes, you just have to move on. They can't be enamored with Shaka though, that's for sure.
Tennessee isn't a bad loss like Missouri but I'd really like to see UK be unranked.
@JayHawkFanToo Rick Barnes swept UK this year. RICK BARNES.
Updated. TCU, Oklahoma and Baylor each added a player.
This was a pretty low scoring game for TCU.
KU only made 2 shots in the last 10 minutes which is insane.
For this team. Never forget.
Grimes 22/11/7 tonight.
Dotson 40/7/7 tonight.
HighEliteMajor said:
@Kcmatt7 I get what Grimes wants to be, as @BShark mentions. And I do not doubt for a minute the PG in the NBA thing you state (though at 6'5", that path is available too as a SG). But I think you will agree, when you see "combo guard", that at least means that ball handling is a work in progress. I recall this same discussion about Selden. I was a big naysayer when it came to Selden at the PG spot, mainly because of ball handling (D-1 ball handling is many steps above anything these guys have seen). But I just don't know Grimes' ball handling competence. I'm making some assumptions.
With Self's love for ball handling, I don't think it's far-fetched to think we could see Moore, Dotson, and Grimes together. If Newman/Vick leave, and we whiff on Langford, and grab a four year guy, this seems like a possibility.
Grimes is more of a point guard than Selden, but he still isn't really a point guard. Certainly I think he is capable of being a guard, whereas Selden was really a wing.
Selden kind of bullied his way to the rim in HS. Grimes is shifty with his body control and is willing to pass.
Ryan Noel said a couple scouts used Brandon Roy as a comp for Selden. Wouldn't be the worst tbh, of course injuries really derailed Roy.
@BeddieKU23 If Carey has to play in college, the team that gets him is in for a real treat. SPECIMEN. He would thrive under Self.
He is going to go way up in the rankings for people that care about that kind of thing.
BeddieKU23 said:
The Ogbaji offer is smart, he's a local'ish rising prospect at a position KU may need someone at if things go a certain way. It's always nice to have your hand in more then one pot in case the top prospect on the board goes somewhere else or there's more attrition at season's end then expected, or planned for. This is Self and his staff making sure they don't get caught empty handed if something happens
Local-ish is a good way to put it. Apparently he is from Milwaukee originally. Two of the crystal ball picks to KU are people from Wisconsin so maybe they know something. Probably just assuming though.
@HighEliteMajor Grimes thinks he is a PG but isn't. This could be a point of contention. I hope it isn't though and I like Grimes's game a lot.
Momma always said...
@drgnslayr Clearly partying isn't the answer, you saw what happened against OSU. Vick could stand to toke a little less too, tbh.
Presumably the team wasn't out partying last night. That should help for the game tonight.
@BeddieKU23 I don't see him getting much run if Doke is back.
@BeddieKU23 Quickly reminded of why I haven't been on the phog in months as soon as I open some threads. I really can't believe how many people think McCormack is going to start next year. Is it because he is a McDAA? I have no idea.
If this doesn't wake Vick up I don't know what will. Or maybe it's just too late and Vick is gone anyway.
Jayballer54 said:
BShark said:
But yeah Newman coming back would be incredible. He has really turned a corner and I could only imagine him after another off season.
I just don't see him coming back. I just think at seasons end when it's all said and done , he is gone. -- I don't think he would relish the idea of backing up Grimes and YES Grimes would start over Newman Freshmen or not - like has been mentioned I think even by you yourself- I think Self has given these Freshman time and I think Grimes is just to much of a stud not to start, & I just don't feel Newman would be ready for that. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
If Newman stays, I don't think we get Romeo. I think the starting guards would be Dotson, Newman and Grimes.
Everything I see/read now indicates that Newman is really loving his time here. What a turnaround for this kid. Stay or go, he's a Jayhawk in my book now. :thumbsup:
BeddieKU23 said:
Ryan Noel does not believe Vick will be back. Interesting
Phog post? This move to go to Mitch feels like a long term benefit move and that Vick is done.
@JayHawkFanToo I just don't think he is a good fit, but obviously I could be wrong.
But yeah Newman coming back would be incredible. He has really turned a corner and I could only imagine him after another off season.
FarmerJayhawk said:
@BShark it shouldn't. Heard today that Newman has at least expressed interest in coming back, as to tell the staff not to give away his spot. What a coup that would be!
BeddieKU23 said:
HighEliteMajor said:
@Jayballer54 I'm with @BeddieKU23 on this. While Moore could get the nod a few games early, I think the talent difference between he and Moore is more than Grimes perhaps Vick/Newman. But it sounds like we all are expecting a lot from the freshman.
If Dotson wasn't the starter at PG to start the season I think it would be Grimes that beats him out. Nothing against Charlie, I just don't think he's a point guard yet. He's an option if we need it and somehow Devon or Quentin was behind Self's learning curve or he wanted to send a message to them. I'm still kind of puzzled at the Moore signing with how we recruited over him. Charlie has some Frank scoring ability in him and hopefully can become more Nic Moore or Sr Mason later in his career for us.
I know the staff did an unbelievable job establishing relationships with Devon & Quentin but let's be real, Self doesn't land 2 McDonald's All American's without giving them some kind of promise of playing time. Both of those recruitment's were contentious and they could have gone somewhere else to play 30 minutes a game.
Try this .. If Vick and Newman are gone, and no Langford, could Moore, Dotson and Grimes all start? Lots of ball handling there.
Ouch, small lineup but certainly not out of the realm of possibility. I think Self would sign another guard in that situation because you can't see Self having no point guard depth again like he's dealing with this season.
Remember how Nic Moore didn't really work out at the university games? Admittedly in a small sample size. This is my worry with Charlie.
Everything I've read indicates Self promised pt and starting positions to Dotson and Grimes. Some people aren't going to believe that and I get it. Obviously if things don't work out, Self can change the line-up. Initially they will start though.
If no Langford, Vick and Newman I definitely see Self adding another guard (plus hopefully Agbaji). No idea who it would be at this point. Maybe a grad transfer but that could be a tough sell for a grad transfer to come somewhere to be depth. We saw how the stache flaked out in that situation.
HighEliteMajor said:
@Jayballer54 I'm with @BeddieKU23 on this. While Moore could get the nod a few games early, I think the talent difference between he and Moore is more than Grimes perhaps Vick/Newman. But it sounds like we all are expecting a lot from the freshman.
Try this .. If Vick and Newman are gone, and no Langford, could Moore, Dotson and Grimes all start? Lots of ball handling there.
I think Self would go with Dotson, Grimes and Garrett. I hope it doesn't come to this though.
JayHawkFanToo said:
I respectfully disagree. I would not be surprised to see Moore start at PG until Dotson gets acclimated.
Moore isn't quite Cunliffe but I don't think he is a guy that ever starts in an ideal world. He just isn't all that good.
Blues Brothers is a great film. The sequel not so much lol.
I've heard nothing but good things about Dotson in that regard.
FarmerJayhawk said:
@BShark for sure. As rapidly as he’s impoved, maybe he has a shot at passing Cunliffe. But he won’t play in front of Dotson, Grimes, Langford/Vick/Newman, or Garrett.
He looks like more of a pure 3 to me. Could play small ball 4 in a pinch. So I don't think he is really competing with most of these guys for pt per se, but we are mostly on the same page anyway.
BeddieKU23 said:
Maybe we offered because Sam won't be back. We've certainly brought this up before
Would take this swap in a heartbeat.
Agbaji really seems to be a Self player whereas Cunliffe is basically the opposite. Agbaji is a blue collar wearing, lunch pail carrying sunofagun.
@FarmerJayhawk Top want.
@KUSTEVE Agree. It was cruise control to start the game. They tried better in the 2nd half but it was too much of a hole that they dug for themselves. Oh well on to TCU.
@FarmerJayhawk Yeah I have a tough time seeing him break into the rotation next year but it's always possible.
BShark said:
But yeah, I don't think Self has ever had a guard as good as RJ before, and he is a KU fan... Gotta close.
He is also Adidas. Gotta close.
@BeddieKU23 Nothing really, but the other options are not really better.
BeddieKU23 said:
No stats needed we sucked
I'm ready for Vick to go.
@DoubleDD OMG STOP BEING SO NEGATIVE!!! (joking)
DCHawker said:
@jaybate-1.0 Another bullet point noted by Matt Norlander is his unfortunately spot on analysis on CBS Sports of this group of Jayhawks - we allowed OSU to grab 47% of their misses. OSU is not a big team. That's just effort and technique (coaching) - or lack thereof. The continued failure of this team to be able to box out is particularly frustrating - it's just not that hard. We managed to make a mediocre team look like world beaters - of course, the same was true in losses to ASU and Washington.
YEP. Lazy effort today. No excuse.
Next year should be better rebounding.
Also he probably wouldn't play a ton next year but Ochai Agbaji is a KC area kid we are recruiting that is a really coachable, tough hard worker. Averaging almost 10 reb a game in his SR season and grabbed 14 boards in front of Self the other night. KU offered today after having him in for his third unofficial visit in about a month.
FarmerJayhawk said:
I’d love to have him if there’s a spot available. Could be a RS candidate, but projects nicely as a 3 and D wing. And is a plus positional rebounder.
I think so too but apparently that's not how he is being recruited. Then again, I guess you can't tell most kids "you will likely rs".
For those with 247 VIP there are some good comments in the article about the offer.
KU offered.
@betterfireE Yeah that was me. It's just how basketball works sadly enough.
And just in general. To me Smith has been better than Carroll.
Look at the stat lines.
So close to a steal there.
Both teams are hitting everything lately.
betterfireE said:
Carroll has outplayed Devonte today
Not really.