@dylans got you covered here my man
BShark
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PURE INSANITY this year. Wow wowowowowow.
BeddieKU23 said:
Not getting suckered into another ceremony. Grimes & Dotson wasted many many hours of my life I can't get back.
Will see the good news posted when it goes official
I'm sure it will be painful again. I'll take one for the team even though we already know.
Self was asked about Cunliffe at his presser today. Between what was said and his expressions, I am not sure Sam ever plays much here.
JayHawkFanToo said:
Yep. Both Porters as well as young, Burke, Cauley-Stein, Ojeleye, Tillmon, Nirn, Milton just of the top of my head.
Kevin Durant has now partnered with them so they will only get bigger. Getting a MoKan/Nike player would be nice.
It definitely won't hurt.
Burks was definitely just a miss by the staff. I don't think KU ever got too serious with CS or Ojeleye. By the time we were kind of interested in CS it was too late.
@JayHawkFanToo Porter and Young were MOKAN right? Not saying MOKAN was the reason we didn't get them, but it also wouldn't help lol.
JayHawkFanToo said:
I have factored mostly the players leaving and not what they have coming since departing senior starters will usually be better than incoming raw freshmen..
Smart. This is a weaker class and other than KU, who is getting top recruits in this league? Lots of good to great coaches in this league, but not the best recruiters.
@BeddieKU23 Fair. At the end of the day, Bruce is still Bruce.
I think KSU will be better if they can stay healthy. Wade is already very good. Wade, Brown, Sneed and Stokes with another year if healthy, that's a top half of the league roster imo.
Also wow did the services miss on Culver and Smith. Easy to get buried in Texas HS hoops. Those are two of their best players though and they were both not really ranked in the top 200.
@BeddieKU23 I had not heard about OU and JQ. I wouldn't touch him with a 10 and a half foot pole but OU is obviously desperate.
@JayHawkFanToo You'd think so but here we are. We are in the sweet talking phase still so who knows what the staff is telling him.
@justanotherfan Really nice post, I'm still digesting it but spot on from a cursory glance.
We miss you too Travis!
BeddieKU23 said:
Yeah it doesn't look good for Sam.
I still don't believe this has anything to do with Langford. Vick & Newman leave I can imagine he's still coming here. There's a starting spot with his name on it. Of course if 1/2 return that window doesn't look as good for him coming here.
If I'm seeing this correctly Illinois & Zona are on Jones at the moment?
Zona, Illinois and UCONN have all offered. I think this could just be getting in on a back-up plan that isn't close to committing in case Romeo doesn't work out.
@HighEliteMajor I think there is a good chance Self is just done with Sam. Just my speculation but he just never felt like he would be a good fit. Everything I've heard about Agbaji indicates he is the opposite of Cunliffe's I'm filming my practices crap.
Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark Wow. So Cunliffe has the writing on the wall. I don't think signing him impacts Langford still. At least in theory. I mean if Vick and Newman both leave, the path is till paved for him.
I would assume Langford will be recruited until the end, because that is what you do with elite talent you've been recruiting unless they are ordered to cut you like a player who shall remain nameless COUGHCOUGHS F$WKT$#WJayson TatumCOUGH COUGH.
I try not to jump to conclusions but things don't look good for Cunliffe. Or landing Romeo for that matter, though this could just be due diligence. Jones would be probably one of the best 2g/wings we could realistically get in on at this point if things don't work out with Romeo*. It certainly looks like we have two spots available.
*Looks like Simons is flirting with pro options, and I think he is getting paid regardless of where he ends up so I'm glad to see KU isn't in on him.
@BeddieKU23 https://247sports.com/Player/Tevian-Jones-91014 ↗
Something is brewing. Getting Agbaji AND going to check this kid out.
247 just changed the interest level to favorite for KU. I don't think I've seen them do that and be wrong.
RockkChalkk said:
When is the announcement? (what time?)
2PM Kansas time.
BeddieKU23 said:
Wiggins became the 6th youngest player in NBA history to reach 6,000 points. Elpoyo threw his TV seeing that.
There is a dumpster fire level thread on this on the phog if you are interested. Elpoyo is the third member of the troll trinity along with a couple that posted in that thread.
99.9% sure, but I don't have any first hand/direct information.
He certainly doesn't plan to redshirt though.
Some quotes
"I'm just looking for the school that's the right fit," Agbaji told Rivals more than a week ago. "A school that I can go in and be effective as a freshman right away. I'd probably be a better fit in uptempo but that doesn't really matter because I just want a good coach who can make me better as a player."
“I got to see their new locker room and all of that stuff,” Agbaji told Rivals before his offer from KU. “I got to meet Bill Self and talk with him. He's very interested in me and said they are looking for a wing like me who is strong, tough and can shoot the ball."
Bosthawk said:
...and, I’m making an assumption (gulp) that Ochai is of African descent. is the continent of Africa becoming the hottest place to look for raw potential basketball talent?
I know originally he is from Milwaukee but yeah with his name being what it is, his parents might have been born in Africa. Maybe more will come out on that after he commits.
He's actually not all that raw from a basketball skill perspective. He is a really good shooter. He is shooting 56% from the floor (and I know, it's KS/MO hs hoops) and he shoots plenty of threes and other jumpers. Which isn't to say he doesn't have things to work on, because he does. All indications are he is a really hard worker and very coachable. Have not read a bad word about him. Guessing he will be a 4-5 year player. I've seen multiple people that have seen him play use "better shooting Releford" as a comp. I'm hoping to go to his next game.
Bosthawk said:
@drgnslayr
“How many McDs AAs are on this team? How high were our players ranked out of HS? How did we get to the point where we have all these highly-rated players only playing even with teams that have ZERO highly-rated players, or maybe one?”This year in particular, I have really been noticing how Many solid players we have played against.. all season. Guys, Who may not be McD AAs, but are basically good tough players.
I’m an eye test guy, don’t have the basketball acumen or knowledge or the time to do an in-depth stat Deep dive analysis, but there are apparently a lot of solid decently talented players in D1, who with the right team makeup and competent coaching, can be a force.Which makes me think, what really are these high school basketball rankings anyway? They can only analyze and therefore predict only so much for high schoolers. So much can change in college and beyond. Granted there are guys who are obviously going to be pro studs barring injury based on their high school performance, but how many high rated guys Peter out or don’t live up to their top 50 high school label?
I think we naturally assume we should beat our competition because we have more top 50 or 100 “rated” guys than they do. It’s much more complicated and all kinds of factors have to happen..
our conference has a LOT of good players at all positions.
we often this season are just getting outplayed for large stretches of games... out hustled, out rebounded, out-defensed, out-shot etc. and when this happens, I admit I’m the first one to think “ why is this happening?? We are better than these guys!! ? Aren’t we???” Look at our ranking! Look at our coach!! Look at all out Mickey-Ds!!!
We actually only have two McDAA on the team. Newman and Doke. The real, big problem is we only play 7 guys. That effects so much.
But yeah rankings can be overblown. Cunliffe was a top 40 recruit in a solid class and basically can't even play basketball.
A lot of it is based on pro potential and athleticism. That how you have guys like Graham and Mason who when you saw them you knew they would be really good college players but they weren't ranked that high.
KU is about to get a commitment tomorrow from a player ranked outside of the top 300 (NR on Rivals even). Self offered him right after seeing him play. https://247sports.com/Player/Ochai-Agbaji-46042163 ↗
justanotherfan said:
In my haste to put that together, I forgot completely about including Garrett in those lineups. Even if Newman and Vick both leave, this team is in good shape next year regardless of whether Langford signs or not.
Langford just adds to the embarrassment of riches. If he doesn't come, maybe Agbaji joins up as a four year player. Dotson is here for two years at least. Moore is here for three more. Garrett is here for at least two more unless his shot really progresses. Cunliffe probably stays. I don't see how Azubuike leaves for the NBA this year. He isn't ready to play at that level yet on the defensive end, and his offense isn't far enough along.
KU has a bunch of really good college players that they can group together with potentially two superstar talents (Lawson and Grimes), maybe even three with Langford. Not many teams in the country will be able to match that.
Well regardless of what Langford does, Agbaji should be announcing for KU tomorrow. Too many reliable people have said this for me to think it could be any other pick.
Langford will continue to be recruited too, tifwiw.
Everyone is talking about Doke like he will be back. He is such a rough fit for the NBA and allegedly still young (this is debatable). I think he stays too.
I think Dedric is easily conference POTY good, maybe some national honors too. If the starting line-up is indeed Dedric and Doke, we are talking about not just playing in the post, but living in the post.
@FarmerJayhawk Cunliffe getting the Self axe (I wonder if he sharpened it, it's been a minute) and Newman staying would be pretty ideal.
Agbaji is putting up good numbers with the caveat that it's KC area ball. He should win the player of the year award for the metro. I'll be interested to see where he ends up in the rankings. Not sure how much of it will be actually seeing him play vs his offers exploding and ending up at KU.
It's Kansas.
Oh, it's Agbaji. He is announcing tomorrow. That escalated QUICKLY.
Matt Scott just posted a cryptic thread weeee.
BeddieKU23 said:
Yeah I think we as fans might have sweated it out more then the staff. The more time that passes makes you think they were just babying the process until these kids wanted to decide on their own. Glad it was early this cycle. Makes recruiting Langford and Ogbaji easier because the staff has a much easier time recruiting a certain position of need or trying to get extra depth
Yeah I think if it was even kind of iffy KU would have kept in much better contact with Ayo and Carey.
justanotherfan said:
Building out the lineup from there, with Langford, the lineup is probably Dotson, Grimes, Langford, Lawson, Azubuike. Look at that lineup again. That is filthy. And that doesn't account for Moore, KJ, Mitch, maybe Vick and/or Newman, Cunliffe, McCormack, De Sousa, etc.
As shallow as this team is right now, next season could be equally deep. Even without Langford, we're still looking at a very deep team with experience, talent, and depth at every position. Azubuike and McCormack at the 5. D. Lawson and Lightfoot at the 4. KJ and Vick at the 3. Malik and Grimes at the 2. Dotson and Moore at the 1. And Sam Cunliffe is on the roster, too. So is Silvio De Sousa. This team is scary deep. Even if Vick, Malik and Azubuike all leave, you still have Dotson, Moore, Grimes, Cunliffe, KJ, Dedric, Mitch, De Sousa, and McCormack (and maybe Langford, too). That's deeper than this year's squad, with more talent, too.
It would be the most talent we have had in awhile.
I think Doke is back and KJ is more of a 4 but no matter how you slice it next year's team should have good depth.
@BeddieKU23 That's a lot of talent too. ISU transfers are real good and Kegler is solid.
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
I know you mentioned this kid a while back, Tyger Campbell. Committed to UCLA yesterday. A big get for them, 4 year PG who will leave his mark on the Bruins
He was a kid I was thinking KU could try to get in on if we missed on Dotson or Grimes.
I don't think we ever gave him a look. Not really sure he was a fit here with what Self likes to recruit at the position
Yeah idk. If you believe that KU pretty much had Dotson and Grimes done for awhile everything makes a lot of sense. I think KU had a lot of good options this cycle.
Lawson will be our best player. Of course it helps that he will be 21 before he plays a game for KU and was already a badass at Memphis.
Barney said:
@BShark They also did some "Poke a Doke" but he was serviceable in this game.
I'll take above 50% from Doke any day.
@justanotherfan Nope. The only player on his team that is playing beyond HS ball is going to a KS JUCO.
@approxinfinity Our weave and screen actions are so much better than our just straight post ups.
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
Grimes 22/11/7 tonight.
Weak Sauce!!!
One of their random players (you think I'd remember their names after the commitment announcement but nah) had 31 pts and took a lot of shots lol.
BeddieKU23 said:
Surprised Svi didn't get the "#$%# move" treatment in the post game from Self that Greene got years back for doing something similar
Self likes Svi, that's the difference lol.
kjayhawks said:
@Crimsonorblue22 He seemed to move slower to me and was bent over several times catching his breathe, yes the wind mill was stupid. It could've got T and cost us.
I honestly expected a technical foul for that.
BeddieKU23 said:
I know you mentioned this kid a while back, Tyger Campbell. Committed to UCLA yesterday. A big get for them, 4 year PG who will leave his mark on the Bruins
He was a kid I was thinking KU could try to get in on if we missed on Dotson or Grimes.
kjayhawks said:
Word from my inside guy was Svi was very sick the last few days.
Thanks for posting. Makes sense. A shame we don't have another capable player so he could rest.
bskeet said:
A wake up call, I hope.
Probably not though, if we are being brutally honest.
HAHAHAHAHA.
@Blown Yeah. TCU played good team ball on offense and was pretty tough on D. Self in the post game seemed annoyed that Svi didn't shoot more, so you are probably right that Svi is not sick.
Blown said:
Nothing wrong with Svi. They denied the passing lane so they couldn’t get ball reversal action. Svis defender didn’t leave him in the corner and Jamie was switching 5. Dixon had an excellent defensive game plan.
He was very slow. Seemed slow for him. I could be wrong though.
kjayhawks said:
This was a similar game to Saturday in terms of an off shooting night, but the difference was effort. Newman and Svi combined for a mere 5 points. Newman played ok with 6 rebounds and 5 assists but Svi was a ghost 36 minutes with 3 rebounds and 1 assist. Vick was aggressive just missed open looks. DTG and Doke played great tonight for the most part and how about Garretts 2 huge 3s. Lightfoot was fairly decent. I'm worried with how tired our guys look for early Feb. As per the original post Yes! When it gets to the closing stretch of year idc if Graham has to hit a half court shot at the buzzer. A win is a win.
The effort was much better all game. Something was wrong with Svi. I'm listening to Self's presser now to see if he says anything.
jaybate 1.0 said:
TCU got a measly 15 FTAs compared with KU's 23 FTAs.
Probably because TCU fouled to extend the game 4 times late.