Poke a Doke in effect...
BShark
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54% ft shooter is 6-6....
OU hasn't made a bucket in about 4 minutes but they have been getting to the line.
@Crimsonorblue22 Yes.
Let's hope this kid for OU misses. He isn't a good ft shooter but he canned his last two...
Well, I'd rather Vick have 4 fouls than Doke.
Nice play by Malik previously.
Ugh
That was off of Lattin....
I really like Self's game plan today. Making Young work on D.
Is Svi having a good game? I can't tell.
Mitch just got killed. Good time to get Doke back in.
JayHawkFanToo said:
Lightfoot getting mugged in every rebound and no foul called.
He's white so it's okay. :joy:
@Crimsonorblue22 Vick
Doke coming out, warning time.
Seems like spending so much energy on Trae defensively is hurting his offense.
HawkChamp said:
Malik has been good. Need Devonte to make smart decisions, Svi and Malik to continue to drive the ball and Dok to stay on the floor. OU doesn't have an answer for him and only went on that run when he was on the bench.
Looks like you were right about Doke.
Texas Tech is in a full blown collapse.
@Hawk8086 There are no big basketball games for Oklahoma fans. They are too busy thinking about their spring football game.
Malik has really found his game lately.
Down 2 with Graham being off and Doke basically not playing I'll take it.
So I guess this is a Mitch game and not a Doke game.
I think KJ sticks around fwiw.
If we are dreaming that hard definitely Carey.
He would be my absolute top wing target. I'm counting Hurt as a 4. Lewis is good but Nike + Team USA? No shot at Watford either. Moore isn't getting out of North Carolina, smells like Roy will close but I will never count Duke out these days. Who knows this kid might even get to 7' tall. He has just about no ceiling but needs a little more polish than a player like Lewis or Watford. Self applies good polish. :joy:
My dream class would be Jacobs, Harvey, Achiuwa, Hurt, JRE. Outside of Jacobs, that's a ton of length. Would be a defensive nightmare. Good multi-year program guards, a multi-year 4 that has a shot at the NBA, and two super studs. I think it's within reach too. Hurt, JRE and Harvey are top targets.
Of course, it's early and there are lots of players KU is keeping tabs on. I also wonder if Chandler is a take because of the now family connection. Achiuwa is better. It will be interesting to see how it all shakes out.
@dylans Extremely athletic. Already 6'9'' too (and still growing) that page hasn't been updated. I think he is a top 10 talent. St. Benedict is an Adidas school so that doesn't hurt.
If we win this tonight the league is almost over but I feel like OU is due for a bounce back win and we have had some prettttty lucky wins strung together.
https://247sports.com/player/precious-achiuwa-86978 ↗
It will be a battle but it sounds like KU is right in there.
What if Bruce ties for the league win again? :joy:
Bill Self named next Team USA coach. To be fed top 5 star talent every year.
Jayballer54 said:
Well maybe Maryland can take a little solace they have a big man. - - Schnider Herard 6' 10 transferring to Maryland from Mississippi State was ranked the # 47 recruit in the class of 2016. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I remember when KU was looking at him out of HS. I was unimpressed, glad we went for Doke instead.
Not efficient and putting up numbers on a bad team are the key. His advanced numbers at ASU were truly awful. They are actually better this year at KU in his very limited time.
I would agree though that not playing at all is a bit odd.
To expand on that...
Keldon Johnson long believed Maryland lean, his dad outright said he wanted him at MD. Ends up at UK.
Moses Brown, MD involved a long time here as well. He was allegedly very close to committing to MD a couple times but never pulled the trigger. It did feel like he was waiting for a blue blood offer. Ends up at UCLA.
Devon Dotson was their top PG target. Ends up at KU.
They do still have a very good class, all things considering, it just isn't completely insane like it could have been.
BeddieKU23 said:
Moses Brown to UCLA. Oh the agony for Maryland fans
They got punched in the balls this cycle. If @jaybate-1-0 is frustrated with KU recruiting, well, good thing he isn't a Maryland fan.
Also I wonder if Brown mushed UK/Cal for coming back in late. Doesn't seem like he would have but it would be hilarious.
UK/Cal also lingering with Jordan Brown. They haven't offered yet but he has kept them on his list and Cal might be getting desperate.
Yeah, this is a terrible year for bigs. Bol Bol is near the top and there would be classes he wouldn't be top 25 overall imo, so it's all relative.
That said overall I am high on McCormack. He will need time though. I don't think he plays much at all his first year, then plays a reserve role year two before starting and being pretty great years 3-4.
BeddieKU23 said:
KU's Current Roster off 247 only.
Devonte- #40
Svi- #31
Vick- #29
Newman- #7
Doke- #33
Mitch- #116
Garrett- #54
Sam- #41
De Sousa- #38
Preston #20- gone
D Lawson- #38
KJ Lawson-#56
Moore- #105
Wow Jerry must not have liked Charlie Moore.
For next year Grimes 13, Dotson 19, McCormack 46.
Talent infusion.
@BeddieKU23 Yeah. With Silvio it doesn't really matter at least, because I don't think he stays more than 3 seasons (2 and a half in this case) tops. Plus this half year should really give him a leg up next year. Possibly getting him to be able to go pro if Self is able to land another killer haul in 19. As Silvio going pro is imo the only way possible to land JRE and Hurt.
JayHawkFanToo said:
The class rankings give you an idea of the quality of players a team is getting based on play at a much lower level which sometimes does not necessarily projects to the higher level and by no means tells you the quality of the roster.
Fo example, Mason and Graham were not highly ranked out of HS and both turned out to be outstanding player with Mason beings selected as the POY las season. Compare those rankings with Alexander, Diallo and even Newman who definitely did not live up to their high rankings.
The other big shortcoming of class rankings is that they do not consider transfers. Dedrick would be consider a 5-Star, Moore who was a 4-Star out of HS and with 1 year of actual playing experience and one additional year training at KU would also be a 5-Star and even KJ might be one and all 3 of them will be part of the roster but not counted. I said it before that I would like to see an enhanced ranking where “all the incoming” players are considered and not just the ones out of HS.
And back to my point even when they do live up to their ranking would you rather have 4 years of Frank Mason or 1 year of De'Aaron Fox? I'm a bit biased but give me Mason.
Dedric is better than any post player KU could have added in the 2018 class IMO.
JayHawkFanToo said:
At the end of the season we will have 3 years left of eligibility and 3 calendar years to complete them.
I'm not sure about this. Heard otherwise from other people and he is listed as a RS SO on KU athletics official site. Confusing tbh.
BeddieKU23 said:
HighEliteMajor said:
So everyone help me here. How are class rankings that clear in providing insight into the quality of one's roster, beyond the obvious Duke/UK? Good guide, of course.
It seems like its UK/Duke, and everyone else. And that we're perhaps the best or second best "everyone else"?
Correct me, but ESPN doesn't count a guy like Svi, nor does it count a guy like DG who was in a prior class, and stayed. Am I wrong there?
Yeah ESPN is horrible, 247 has done a much better job of incorporating all that ends up in a particular class. You will see them making adjustments well into the spring and its nice that they do a composite ranking (where they take Rivals, Scout, ESPN & their own ranking).
Yeah 247 is by far the best now.
HighEliteMajor said:
So everyone help me here. How are class rankings that clear in providing insight into the quality of one's roster, beyond the obvious Duke/UK? Good guide, of course.
It seems like its UK/Duke, and everyone else. And that we're perhaps the best or second best "everyone else"?
Correct me, but ESPN doesn't count a guy like Svi, nor does it count a guy like DG who was in a prior class, and stayed. Am I wrong there?
Just a general indicator. Of course they can't account for transfers, quality of player development etc... Also the value of a player like Frank Mason that is likely to stay 4 years vs the value of, say, a player like Fox at UK who is sure to only be there one year is highly debatable. Fox being a top 10 recruit, and Mason not even being top 100 except for on 247.
ESPN definitely doesn't rank post grads, and the rating of all international players is for the most part highly suspect. It basically has to be someone like Lauri Markkanen for them to be properly scouted. For international recruits, you really need to look at the schools recruiting them for a good gauge.
ESPN rankings update
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/order/true ↗
Grimes #8, Dotson #24 (lol k), McCormack #28 (also lol, but because I think this is too high).
Also you are telling me that when Self has solid pt to sell he gets a top 3 class? Odd...
And I know UK and Duke stockpile excess talent at various positions regularly, but Cal and K recruit on a different level. K, as much as we may loathe him is a living legend, team USA coach etc...
@BeddieKU23 Am I reading this right? ESPN had Selby + Royce at #5? LOL
chriz said:
I'd like to see the rankings of the recruiting classes over the last 10 years combined? I would assume UK/Duke would be 1 and 2, maybe UNC 3? Texas would be up there? Hopefully KU in the top 5?
Too much math. Plus with the way UK cycles through players it looks even better for them when you add it all up. They hardly retain players.
KU over the last 10 years: 7, 90 (only took 2 players, one was Royce Woolridge), 22, 11, 2, 9, 13, 16, 37, 4.
I used 247. Right now, Silvio isn't counting in their rankings towards 17 or 18. They moved him to the 17 class but he isn't rated and has zero stars which skews things and is dumb. With Silvio in the 17 class and properly rated it would be higher. He is contributing +0 to the class but if you add his 18 ranking points it makes the class #9. Of course, Preston isn't even on the team any more so maybe it evens out, lol.
I hope he doesn't to be clear. I mean how much would he have to hate it here to give up a year of eligibility and sit out again? That's pretty rough.
I'm interested to see how it all shakes out this off season.
I wonder if you change it to top 50 how that changes the numbers.
Anyway, KU could have three top 20 recruits this year if we land Romeo. Of course, Duke has 4 in the top 10, even if I think Tre Jones is overrated, all those wing prospects are immensely talented.
Could still transfer to TCU, he was strongly considering that last offseason.
HighEliteMajor said:
Folks say this may be Self’s roughest year in a while. But are there five other teams you’d switch rosters with, even in this supposed rough year?
Villanova, Duke, Michigan State, Arizona, North Carolina.
Kcmatt7 said:
Yea no excuses for Self. He needs to win a title one of these next 3 seasons tbh.
He has the players, no excuse really.
DCHawker said:
@CRH107 Could say the same about 'Ol Roy - UNC has same number of recruits, but 2 titles over that span. Think UConn has only 2 listed recruits, also with 2 titles. Talent matters, but it's not all that matters...
Amen. Let's not put Self on too big of a pedestal here.
It's not like Self won with bums in 08 or made the title game in 2012 with scrubs either...
CRH107 said:
WOW! These lists put Coach Self's success and winning percentage in a totally different stratosphere.
Well, ESPN is far from the authority on this, and they favour Nike kids. It's not like KU is really struggling, though there were some lean years before 2013.
But I mean, when we won the title in 08, the main rotation players were ranked (in their respective classes): #13, #16, #15, #13, #25, #28, #51. 4 out of 7 still playing pro ball. Kaun retired recently.
In 2012: #25, #28, #51, #65, #43. All five still playing pro ball.
When Self has experience and talent, he wins.
Next year, Self will have pro players again, I'd figure good things will happen.