Either we are hearing about exhibition games more then any year I can remember or there really is a lot of P5 teams who are not very good right now. I would go with the latter as I do believe CBB is down and its going to take a while before we see a good 10-15 teams look like contenders for March.
BeddieKU23
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Of course ESPN and Nike can't have the #1 team playing on a showcase game without their PG. Duval would have to be in jail for him not to suit up.
They also had 2 backups suspended. Guards O'Connell and Goldwire
Duval didn't turn in a paper on time. Also deleted his snap chat which can only be seen as a good thing from what people are saying that are friends with him. Nothing we didn't know about Duval as a recruit he's been this way
Just the fact that Sexton is being held out makes me happy we missed the boat
Duke doesn't have a backup other then the guy they signed late ranked in the 300's. I guess Tripper could always go back to playing PG again.
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Had to edit my original post. We do have a scholarship available don't we?
Correct. 8 eligible players now + Cunliffe (eligible at semester) + 3 sit out the season transfers in the Lawsons and Moore = 12
Interesting.
I'm going to wait to see how this plays out before making any more comments. The benefits of this certainly could be enormous down the line.
I'd take Green over Harvey. You always want to lock up local talent that loves your program so I do hope Harvey is a hawk no matter what happens.
From what I've seen of Harvey he's not as important as Robinson-Earl is in 19. Especially at the position Harvey plays we often land or get the running for the elite wings out there. Is Harvey even a priority?
Had to edit my original post. We do have a scholarship available don't we?
Meanwhile UNC lost an exhibition by 8!~
BShark said:
Sounds like Josh Green is a high priority in 19.
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article182967906.html ↗
Looks like a good priority! We'll see how this one progresses
3 games in a week, can't wait
Careful, we don't need that kind of karma coming back on us. It would be funny but we know how recruiting goes.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Calipari was holding out for Barrett. There’s some bad blood between RJ and Shittu for some reason.
Stems from AAU and Canadian play that Andrew Slater elaborated on over the summer. Apparently it's not just that RJ and Shittu don't get along but its the father's as well. Funny when the parents have beef with each other
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
The kid is dying for a true blue blood offer, if UK does offer, they will get him.
Brown is a project but a big kid with some talent to work with. I'd honestly like to see him go anywhere but UK
Looks like UK might have ran out of other options. I don't think Cal wants to take Brown. He might not offer until Bol makes it official for Oregon. With Barrett looking Duke bound he probably regrets not going after Shittu.
Yeah its looking like UK is trying to get anything they can at this point. Moses has played this recruitment out so who know whether his comments about UK will mean anything. Usually they do but we'll see,
Shittu, I'm surprised they didn't press further with him but I think this actually might have been a case of the player not seeing playing time available. UK has a bunch of bigs but the NBA isn't drooling about them so some kids are not seeing the guarantee's of them being gone after this year. I haven't heard much on his recruitment lately but doesn't it seem like Vandy was in the drivers seat for him?
Bol didn't announce of Oregon yet? Stopped paying attention to that one.
Barrett, ugh such a talent going to Duke. Reddish & Barrett jeesh. Only team on trail that's beaten KU in this cycle. Really impressed to say that Self has been money
BShark said:
The kid is dying for a true blue blood offer, if UK does offer, they will get him.
Brown is a project but a big kid with some talent to work with. I'd honestly like to see him go anywhere but UK
I can't force myself to look but looks like Moses Brown and Kentucky is becoming a thing. That Maryland board must be SALTY.
West Virginia without Ahmad is an average team. You have 2 senior guards and what? A bunch of young bigs that have some promise (West & Konate). They have a very young team and its going to be a tough season I think for them
Georgia Tech and Auburn holding back multiple players due to eligibility concerns. One related to the FBI probe. 3 of the 4 listed on NBA radar's for next years draft...
I still have some questions. Why was Bowen listed in the probe if he's now free of any wrongdoing?
Maybe he really didn't do anything wrong but who's going to believe that he went to Louisville on his own free will. Who? Anyone who followed his recruitment knows this was one of the stranger one's you see yearly. He went from not on Louisville's radar to committing to them in a few weeks span. How likely is it that Bowen is going to throw his father under the bus here just so he can play his one year and leave? If the NCAA lets him play then Emmert is correct, the NCAA can't control anything anymore.
And if your Louisville why would you want Bowen playing for you. After all he's apart of the domino effect for why they have a fired HOF coach, 2 assistance's gone and pending further punishment.
That seems really generous that all the Big-12 teams are ranked that highly. But its never an exact science trying to predict in today's landscape what players step up, how much players are missed that left, what transfers can do, freshman etc.
How will he be eligible again??
You mean to tell me he went to Louisville on his own accord and not because someone in his family was paid?? Wow
This is Cliff Alexander 2.0..
I will admit I was bit excited watching this team the other night against Pitt State. The problem was it was Pitt State but we looked great out there and 1 through 7 we can compete with anyone I thought. We need all 9 of our eligible players to contribute in some sort of the fashion this season so again the margin for error is small.
It's still going to take a while to get over not seeing Frank Mason on the court but the kid wearing his Jersey now is a heck of a talent.
When was the last time we had a season that wasn't significantly impacted by injury, more specifically a big man injury? Injuries are random but we seem to be developing a habit for them snake-biting our potential in the NCAA tourney. So should I expect another devastating injury? It sure feels like we are thin ice in that department anytime someone goes down to the ground.
College Basketball is down this year I don't care what anyone says. Duke's preseason #1 and will start 4 freshman. Whatever. They are talented, as always, but what's that say about CBB as a whole when a team that returns 1 starter and 2 other seldom used players in preseason #1..Of course things change throughout the season and I'm sure CBB will look as competitive as ever when March is over but you don't see a lot of stacked teams across the nation on paper right now.
We are preseason #3/or 4 wherever you look so expectations are not down. Way too early to know whether the team is special. There's potential especially if Preston & Doke hold down the post on a consistent basis. Their ability to play is half the battle. Stay healthy, stay out of foul trouble. The defense needs to take a step forward. I'm not sold they get there with this group but we'll see.
As far as how I see the season playing out right now. We should expect to win the league especially as it looks down in a big way. I could see this team going 12-6 in conference and still winning. 15-3 wouldn't surprise me either, 18-0 is a tall order but our talent edge is noticeable this year with ISU and Baylor particularly losing a lot from last season. Even West Virginia is feeling the effect of graduation and turnover. The Non-Conference isn't daunting and we could roll into Conference play undefeated if things play out the way I think they will.
Who knows what the end result will be. I need to see how much Doke has improved against better competition. We have shooters, we have guard play. We just need the defense and the post play to be consistent. If we see both of those we will have every chance to be special
So about that Dotson/Grimes backcourt! Looking more and more like a reality..
Absolutely giddy thinking about that dynamic next year
JayHawkFanToo said:
Interesting to see Kentucky with only one signed recruit to date.
I am starting to think that maybe some prospects are waiting to see if the elite programs get caught in the FBI investigation. Arizona was getting top recruits and now it is under investigation; Louisville is now radioactive. Most everybody has wondered for years how the squid gets all the top prospects; I am sure the FBI has wondered the same thing. The Nike Summer League is under investigation and it is heavily tied to Nike schools. It really makes sense for a top recruit to wait and see where the chips fall; programs, even elite, will always make room for a top recruit regardless of how late he commits.
The FBI did arrest some key players in the Nike side of AAU as well. Who knows how that will shake out for Calipari and other Nike flagship programs but to a default Cal has had shady things happen in his program in the past. He's not squeaky clean but who knows if his machine of OAD's is anything more then a great salesmen and the ability to coach top talent into the NBA..
With his current class I believe the reason he only has 1 signed on right now is because this current batch of freshman is more potential then finished product. Diallo and Knox are OAD prospects. Vanderbilt before the injury seemed like a more then likely 1 year player as well. But Quade Green, Shai Alexander, Washington, Roberts all have to impress as freshman to start getting more attention then they getting. Baker is possibly a 4 year player who is now hurt as well. Recruits have said they think there is a good chance some of this class stays more then 1 year which has left some kids uncertain about a starting spot coming in. Quickley was a UK done deal for a long time so he was going to UK regardless. Also its been pointed out that Calipari missed the ball on the 2018 class trends. He didn't offer a ton early and This class has seen a majority sign early. Programs made relationships early to keep UK from swooping in and taking kids they normally could slow play. Obviously they are trying to land Keldon Johnson and Tyler Herro who both were not on UK's radar just a few months ago. Cal has also passed on some kids for some reasons or pissed off recruits who wanted him (Louis King &
Langford) come to mind. Bol Bol looks like a done deal to Oregon and he was cut from Calipari's Team USA team this summer. Calipari has been kind of put on a level playing field with the competition this recruiting class. Of course if I had to pick where Zion lands it seems that would be UK and he's still a top 2 player in this class. 2019 UK has done some work early so I doubt they will have any trouble filling up with top kids.
Duke will probably be #1 when they land RJ Barrett.
Zion will move up Kentucky a ton (if they land him) and they are likely taking another 5 star or borderline 5 in Keldon Johnson or Tyler Herro. They won't last at 33 but its weird to see them without a ton of early commits.
KU could land at #1 if they get Grimes and another top prospect (Zion or Langford) being the two we have a chance with. A top recruiting class for KU also says we are losing a ton so there's always a give and take to a flashy class.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Arizona lose Shaq's son (to Kentucky). There's been rumors he might not be fully committed anymore.
UCLA could land Moses Brown which moves them up. I believe both their recruits are both Top 100 kids. We offered their one commit Bernard. They also are in the running for a few other 4 star recruits.
Spring will change a lot of classes as always
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Loved Vick last night. Great energy and effort.
Marcus Garrett is the glue to this team already. Makes the pass, rebounds, defends, no ego from him
Preston looked good. The fouls were stupid. The potential is evident with him on the floor.
If Vick can bring it like that every game he might play himself into being drafted.
Preston might be the biggest tease all year. I really hope we get to a point where he can stay on the floor.
Agree with all of that.
If both reach their potential this season they will be drafted. For this season Vick's ability to make plays like the put back dunks or the drives to the hoops with athletic finishes are exactly what this offense needs. We have shooters but we need that balance inside/out.
This was game 1 for Preston. Let's see what Game 2 and the next few weeks we get from him. I can imagine he's going to be vital going up against Kentucky's 17 hybrid forwards.
Garrett by the way played 30 minutes in the game. The most by any hawk.
Is that coincidence because Graham was limited to getting some rest already? I don't know but any freshman who seems to have earned that much trust from his coach already is going to do good things here. He's a fan favorite of mine already and wearing the number of a legend
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
It's great to have him back on the floor and his conditioning will improve the more he gets to play.
For anyone wondering this is why he was on the floor late in the exhibition. He needs as much PT as possible.
Agreed, he's that cliche "still very young". He just turned 18 right? Loved when he sealed his man and went straight up with it. Self should be developing set plays to get Doke 3 feet from the rim every trip. He seals and delivers. Should be a strength against most teams we play
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
I read an article that said shooting would not be a weakness for them. Power puff piece if I've ever seen one. Apparently one game where Shai and Green shoot okay was enough to remove the doubt. Baker wasn't going to play big minutes but he figured to play 10-12 minutes a game as a spot up shooter which in the flow of the game would have meant 1-2 3's possibly which is significant to their offense.
Yeah, lol, ok.
Where can I find the companion piece about how KU has great post depth? :laughing:
Are we surprised, they are still getting Grimes. And when they don't get him will say Cal passed on him for a better player. We know how the math goes.
But yeah I heard our post depth is the best we've had in Self's era
Loved Vick last night. Great energy and effort.
Marcus Garrett is the glue to this team already. Makes the pass, rebounds, defends, no ego from him
Preston looked good. The fouls were stupid. The potential is evident with him on the floor.
Doke will always be a black hole once you throw it in to him. Maybe the extended minutes will expand his BBIQ but he's never going to be a passer. We throw it in and we let him go to work simple as that. It's great to have him back on the floor and his conditioning will improve the more he gets to play.
that's great news. We cannot afford to have him injured
So unselfish just watching him. Crashes the boards, rotates on defense for help. Always looking to make the extra pass. I mean how can a coach not like that approach to the game. We'll see how he handles better players but hard to imagine Marcus struggling. He's already looking like the glue to this team
I read an article that said shooting would not be a weakness for them. Power puff piece if I've ever seen one. Apparently one game where Shai and Green shoot okay was enough to remove the doubt. Baker wasn't going to play big minutes but he figured to play 10-12 minutes a game as a spot up shooter which in the flow of the game would have meant 1-2 3's possibly which is significant to their offense.
JayHawkFanToo said:
When you consider the transfers that will be eligible, it will be a monster class and with experience to boot. I wish the ranking services would have one that includes transfers since it is a truer indicator of the class strength.
Yeah with today's landscape everyone is taking transfers so maybe including them in rankings would be something that places start doing in the future. It looks likely we'll end up with a Top 5 class even without the transfers.
I know it's pitt st but man does this team look good
Doke has some moves.
Patiently waiting for word on Preston..
Wow Vick continues to amaze
Doke had an and 1 and a ft swish. I thought those sentences wouldn't be combined much this season. That was a glimmer of hope
Great play by Vick
The entire season hinges on Preston being okay and that looked ugly
bill self is eating this recruiting class up!!!
Marquette peeps think they are out?
Cal met with Herro, obviously related to Q. Chris Fisher drinks UK koolaid every day and is the only guy making claims he can't back up with information
Just a matter of time...
jayballer54 said:
I see where Kentucky and Clemson are visiting Zion today. - - -KU & Duke visiting Zion tomorrow. - -Does anyone still think we have a chance with him? - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
No it seems unlikely. He's a classic Kentucky recruit.
Of course I would love to be wrong
dylans said:
@BeddieKU23 Nice breakdown. I was thinking there were over 300 NCAA teams, got called out on it and too lazy to check. Thanks for (unknowingly) saving me from doing my due diligence!
It's too many, I think 351 is the official count. Crazy amount of teams.
BShark said:
Daum is a very good player but they are still sub 100 on Kenpom. Maybe if KU has a big emotional win they overlook them. Hope not.
What value does Kenpom have right now?
I use Kenpom a ton so its not a criticism to the system.
SDS won 22 games last year, returns one of the leading scorer's in the country as well as its 2nd leading scorer as well.
Daum plays a position we struggle to defend and will be playing against a Freshman, a seldom used Soph, or a Soph who played 11 games last season.
I don't think we lose but this game will be close and a better game then it looks for this team going forward. The fact KU has to travel for a neutral game against Kentucky then fly back and play 2 days later is the cause for concern. How do you motivate them to be up for the Jackrabbits after slapping the Wildcats around.
Anyone check out these schedule's other Big-12 teams are playing? Looks like the Big-12 predicted they would be down in 17-18. I know schedules are made well in advance but mannnnnnnnnn.
Full disclaimer: KU doesn't play a daunting schedule either but has 6 Power 5 teams, 7 if we include Texas A&M in January.
Kentucky will be toughest game, Syracuse & Stanford won't be pushovers either. It would help our RPI etc if they are "up" this season.
South Dakota St will be the classic example of some random dude dropping 35 against us (Mike Daum), especially on 2 days rest from the Kentucky game. Mike Daum has been one of the best players not many know of for 2 years running. This team won 22 games and will give us a big test at home. Overlook them at your own peril.
But a quick look;
Baylor- Central Arkansas, Texas A&M CC, Alcorn St.
After 3 games against teams with a pulse (Wisconsin, Xavier, Wichita St) they go back to playing more helpless YMCA clubs including:
Sam Houston St, Randall University, Texas Southern (KU plays them earlier), Savannah St, and lastly, Southern to round out that rockin' schedule.
Iowa St- opens @ Mizz then falls in an abyss playing Milwaukee, Appalachian St, Western Illinios then Northern Illinois.
Oh Iowa they are a P5 team (#2), poor Alcorn St, Northern Iowa (usually good), then finally Maryland-Eastern Shore( Whatever that means).
K-St- American, UMKC, UC Irvine, Northern Arizona, Arizona St (Power 5 team #1), Oral Roberts, Vandy (P5 team #2), South Carolina Upstate, Tulsa, Southeast Missouri St and last but not least Washington St.
Oklahoma- Gets a pass for playing teams such as Wichita St, USC, Northwestern sprinkled in with Omaha, Ball St, North Texas, Texas San Antonio.
Oklahoma St- Only 3 Power 5 teams on the schedule if you include not officially one Wichita St.
TCU- Astoundingly will face ZERO Power 5 teams before conference play. SMU far and away the only game that helps them.
Texas- 2 Power 5 teams on the schedule. Butler & VCU as well. 6 cupcakes sprinkled in.
Texas Tech- 2 teams with a pulse until conference play.
West Virginia- cupcakes + Texas A&M, Virginia & Pitt.
How is the Big-12 getting 7 or so teams in the tourney with those slates again?
The other shocking discovery of looking at the schedules. How are there 350 D-1 teams?
2019 target Joey Baker off the board to Duke. I know we kicked the tires on him. Don't have to worry now. Could help with the pursuit of Matthew Hurt though