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Figured Q deserved his own thread.

Q WE WANT YOU AT KU!!

As a follow up Self and the entire staff is down in Texas today visiting Grimes at his High School.

Important why? He concluded his last official to Marquette over the weekend.

Why is sending the whole staff also important?

One of the recruiting tools Marquette has been playing has been "sending the entire staff" to see him etc. While most programs have an assistant or the HC dealing with a recruit Marquette has gone about recruiting him with the kitchen sink every time.

Sounds like KU sending them a message (Marquette) and Grimes right after his visit. Smart move.

I think we can put Q on commit watch

Also another side-note. When Grimes was in town for his visit, he went to a soccer game in the KC area where he has family. Important that his destination for College could be near some additional family that can drive in to see his games at Allen. With his mother an Alum and family in the area we should feel very GOOD about our chances here to land another impact guard for the 2018 class.

Would be great to see him at KU next year, would add another huge piece to this class. I still have to pinch myself from time to time that we got Dotson, it feels like it is a dream sometimes. Adding QG to go alongside DD would make KU a very dangerous team.

It looks like next year's team will be a very inexperienced team that could become a dangerous team. Bills patients will be tested. I hope Vick & Doke or Preston returns.

3genhawk said:

It looks like next year's team will be a very inexperienced team that could become a dangerous team. Bills patients will be tested. I hope Vick & Doke or Preston returns.

This is so difficult to handicap right now. I'd put Preston 99% to go, not as sure on Vick or Doke.

BShark said:

3genhawk said:

It looks like next year's team will be a very inexperienced team that could become a dangerous team. Bills patients will be tested. I hope Vick & Doke or Preston returns.

This is so difficult to handicap right now. I'd put Preston 99% to go, not as sure on Vick or Doke.
If you would of ask a week ago - -I would of said all 3 gone - -Now for some reason any reason - I get a little feel Doke just might be back - -don't ask me why. - The only thing is - -on the other hand , I just couldn't see him coming back with us landing McCormack and De-Sousa - - makes me feel Coach pretty much told those two Doke was gone - - I don't know.

I also posted on different thread see where Williamson cut UCLA , was suppose to visit there this weekend. - -He said decision wise probably late November early December unless something comes up then could be later. -we will see. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Looks like this will happen soon.

I'm glad a lot of these guys are committing early. We should really know where we stand by December it looks like. We will know what guys we are after end up where, and we will see which players look like they are NBA bound and which guys look like they will be back.

If we swing and miss, at least we will have a few months to look for some guys and we won't be scrambling around during the summer looking to take players like Whitman.

@Kcmatt7

I wonder if the FBI investigation is having an effect. Maybe players are anticipating that once the scope is known some top players might de-commit and top programs will go after them instead.

@Kcmatt7 I do not think we will miss out on him

Think the Whitman decommit was the last straw for Bill and late commits? :)

@approxinfinity I have it on good authority that Self and the staff changed some things in the way they approached recruiting this year.

Some people might not like some of the recent changes (directly promising pt) but you have to keep with the times.

BShark said:

Some people might not like some of the recent changes (directly promising pt) but you have to keep with the times.

Yeah your right. When you big game hunt (the elite's) and your an elite school how can you not adapt your philosophy? Tell the kids what they want and then get them on campus and coach em up and find out if they are the real deal to earn what you might have promised them.

It also helps in a year like this one where the roster has a lot of moving parts and there is a premium for getting players.

Read where Quentin enjoyed his visit to Marquette. Was surprised at the level of the program. Said he thinks it far exceeded his expectations as far as where they are as a program according to his AAU director of Basketball.
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The talent on the team , and the facilities and the whole nine yards , think he left there with a good feeling about where they are and what their future looks like. Marquette's pitch is Grimes is their main man going forward come in and be the guy. They feel he has a chance to be a one-and-done. That if Quinten comes there he has a really good supporting cast of guys and he could take the program to another level.

Says now his visits are done going to over the next couple of weeks going to weigh options with his family and inner circle. Mainly gonna take a week or so just to chill and relax and focus on getting ready for his high school season. Over the next two weeks sit down with the family and Coach Teddy Wheeler of his AAU team and figure out the pro's and con's of each team.

He is wanting to plan to announce in November and be a part of the early signing period. Said that each school has done a really good job of where he would fit, what his role would be and what they expect of him.

Having said all of that I feel that it would just really floor me if he commits to Marquette. - -I still think believe it or not that our main competition for him is Texas. - All in all I still feel we get this guy and add to our awesome class - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

BeddieKU23 said:

BShark said:

Some people might not like some of the recent changes (directly promising pt) but you have to keep with the times.

Yeah your right. When you big game hunt (the elite's) and your an elite school how can you not adapt your philosophy? Tell the kids what they want and then get them on campus and coach em up and find out if they are the real deal to earn what you might have promised them.

It also helps in a year like this one where the roster has a lot of moving parts and there is a premium for getting players.

Yeah, Self has pt to sell. Still really impressive works with the bigs though. At a minimum one is coming to be a back-up next year. And this was a class really short on quality post players.

@BShark

Definitely, this already has been an impressive recruiting season. We always want more especially with what we are after and the needs those players could fill but I'm extremely happy how we've changed the narrative on certain things- closing on a 5 star PG and getting recruits signed in the fall. Alleviates a ton of pressure going into the spring. Grimes would make this haul + the transfers Top 3 in the Self era

Grimes is the elite player in the group that we are recruiting. Dotson is a very good player, but Grimes can take a team to that next level. I think Dotson is kind of like Frank, with perhaps a bit more polish coming out of high school than what Frank had. Grimes is a top 10 type of talent IMO, would be top 7 if they listed him as a PG, although he can play either spot in college.

@justanotherfan No mistaking it, Grimes is the top target.

@justanotherfan I am just really impressed with how quick Devon Dotson - -really quick/fast. Plus loves to take the ball to the hole, needs to work on outside shot but I'm sure that will come. - -Multi year player, I could see with more development, progression being a 3 yr player maybe 4 but I'm thinking at the end of Jr yr he will test NBA waters. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LON BABY

I love all these " this team has closed the gap" "this team is a legitimate option". It's all just smoke to cover what is going to happen. Q is going to be a HAWK

BeddieKU23 said:

I love all these " this team has closed the gap" "this team is a legitimate option". It's all just smoke to cover what is going to happen. Q is going to be a HAWK

Remember when Kansas closed the gap for Quickley? lol

See also: Dotson.

:coffee: :newspaper:

@BeddieKU23 when is he committing?

chriz said:

@BeddieKU23 when is he committing?

Looks like before or during the November signing period that starts November 8th.

That would seem to line up with them taking the week off to reflect on things and then figuring out a decision, how to announce it etc.

I think we have had Grimes as a silent commitment for months and Q and his family have enjoyed the process taking visits, respecting the schools that put in effort to recruit him and making sure KU was the right fit for him after all that has happened this fall. The in-home visits, the drop by's randomly during the week, the official visit, the surprise visit to his school yesterday have all been proof KU has led and recruited him to the fullest extent they are capable of doing. His mom is Alum, he has family in the area, he's an Adidas kid (it still matters). Everything points to him wearing Crimson and Blue next season

We’ve done everything right. If he goes elsewhere it’s not on KU.

BeddieKU23 said:

I love all these " this team has closed the gap" "this team is a legitimate option". It's all just smoke to cover what is going to happen. Q is going to be a HAWK

What I find amusing and yes I'm trolling boards- this is how I find OTHER recruiting tidbits but I find amusing is the Kentucky fans feel just because Cal has recruited not only Quentin but ANY player then that just automatically makes them a UK commit. - -They still believe Grimes is going to commit to UK. - -Now could he? - -well ya - -hell ya he COULD - -will he? - -well no - -Hell no he WON'T - - I've said it before & I'll say it again If there is anyone to worry about to me - - -It's Texas because of proximity - knowing the staff & knowing a lot of players off the team. - -Still think he is ours - -probably within the next month - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@BeddieKU23 Seeing him and Devon in our backcourt in the future , and then Jacobs joining the following year , & possible add Harvey to the mix - -I think were going to have a really solid back court. - - 2019 we are going to be absolutely loaded all the way around.

You look chances are more then not our back court gonna be loaded up -- chances more then not still have Grimes - - -Dotson - -Moore- - -Jacobs - - - Garrett - - & Harvey.

Front Court I feel pretty good with De-Sousa - - - McCormack - - -Lightfoot - - -Robinson-Earl - - - & a Lawson - - how stacked would that be?

You know I was a little worried about our conference streak ending this year - -now not so much , I think we will be able to fight them off, then 2018 - - forget about it we loaded again and so on and so forth - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

jayballer54 said:

@BeddieKU23 Seeing him and Devon in our backcourt in the future , and then Jacobs joining the following year , & possible add Harvey to the mix - -I think were going to have a really solid back court. - - 2019 we are going to be absolutely loaded all the way around.

You look chances are more then not our back court gonna be loaded up -- chances more then not still have Grimes - - -Dotson - -Moore- - -Jacobs - - - Garrett - - & Harvey.

Front Court I feel pretty good with De-Sousa - - - McCormack - - -Lightfoot - - -Robinson-Earl - - - & a Lawson - - how stacked would that be?

You know I was a little worried about our conference streak ending this year - -now not so much , I think we will be able to fight them off, then 2018 - - forget about it we loaded again and so on and so forth - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

The more I see of Grimes the more I think he is OAD. Which works out for a lot of reasons. Especially if the staff 100% wants to add Harvey in addition to Jacobs, we will need the room.

@BShark Ya your probably right - -quite possibly one and done. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@BShark Please elaborate...what are they doing differently with recruiting?

KUSTEVE said:

@BShark Please elaborate...what are they doing differently with recruiting?

Promising playing time/starting spots is a big part. This actually started last year, just didn't work with Trae Young. Being willing to take a kid like McCormack early. That is not intended as a slight towards McCormack, remember I was hoping the staff would take Tyler Davis.

@BShark Many times I felt we could've signed perhaps a real good player that might not be Top 10 or even 20, but we were holding out for the big pick, and we end up missing a guy like MacCormick. I am so happy and relieved we are taking the top 50 guys. UNC made two straight national championship games and winning one title by going that route. Maybe we have a chance at holding on to them longer than a year.

KUSTEVE said:

@BShark Many times I felt we could've signed perhaps a real good player that might not be Top 10 or even 20, but we were holding out for the big pick, and we end up missing a guy like MacCormick. I am so happy and relieved we are taking the top 50 guys. UNC made two straight national championship games and winning one title by going that route. Maybe we have a chance at holding on to them longer than a year.

Louisville also got kids in that range. When they won their title their top minute guys were SR, JR, JR, SO, JR, SO.

Tyler Davis called KU his dream school. I have zero doubt KU lands him if they had prioritized him.

Speaking of Big Dave.

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@BShark

McCormack looks more fluid running the floor. He's getting into better shape, which is going to make him a much better player. I still think he's a year and a half away from being where he needs to be to really contribute, but under the right set of circumstances, he can help during the end of the conference season and the tourney.

@justanotherfan Fortunately I think he just needs to be a capable back-up next year.

Staff visiting again today. Go lock him up!

FarmerJayhawk said:

Staff visiting again today. Go lock him up!

They already have in my opinion

I'm not sure it's done yet. I think it's going that way though. I'll find out more tomorrow.

BeddieKU23 said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

Staff visiting again today. Go lock him up!

They already have in my opinion

Let hope they have

Marquette peeps think they are out?

Cal met with Herro, obviously related to Q. Chris Fisher drinks UK koolaid every day and is the only guy making claims he can't back up with information

Just a matter of time...

:)

FarmerJayhawk said:

:)

You hearing something?

Btw, looks like UT is pretty full up on scholarships.

BShark said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

:)

You hearing something?

Btw, looks like UT is pretty full up on scholarships.

They are? - -if true that's really good as I felt THEY were our challenger for Quentin. - - -Cal visiting Herro I think they see the writing on the wall - So that being said then KU/Marq ? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

jayballer54 said:

BShark said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

:)

You hearing something?

Btw, looks like UT is pretty full up on scholarships.

They are? - -if true that's really good as I felt THEY were our challenger for Quentin. - - -Cal visiting Herro I think they see the writing on the wall - So that being said then KU/Marq ? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Marquette people think they are out.

And yes Texas just took another committment in this class. Brings them to 14 scholarship players even with Bamba and Jones presumably going pro after this season. That's already one over the limit.

@BShark Well then that should pretty much be a wrap then I would think. - -With Calipari visiting Herro again today I would think he thinks They are not going to land Grimes. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Tifwiw but a poster on the shiver that nailed details about the Dotson commitment before they were public is saying that it's done to KU, Grimes has given the staff a verbal commitment.

bill self is eating this recruiting class up!!!

@BeddieKU23

When you consider the transfers that will be eligible, it will be a monster class and with experience to boot. I wish the ranking services would have one that includes transfers since it is a truer indicator of the class strength.

JayHawkFanToo said:

@BeddieKU23

When you consider the transfers that will be eligible, it will be a monster class and with experience to boot. I wish the ranking services would have one that includes transfers since it is a truer indicator of the class strength.

Yeah with today's landscape everyone is taking transfers so maybe including them in rankings would be something that places start doing in the future. It looks likely we'll end up with a Top 5 class even without the transfers.

@BeddieKU23

KU is currently ranked 2 or 3 depending on publication; with Grimes and one more player KU likely ends up 1 or 2. Interesting that current Rivals #33 Kentucky has only 1 - 5 star recruit signed to date but several prospects in the pipeline...maybe prospects are hearing rumors about the FBI investigation related to them, same with #20 Arizona with only 2 left signed.

Other schools of interest to KU fans #28 UCLA with only 2 - 3 stars, #43 MU with 1 - 4 star and 2 - 3 stars, a big drop from its current class, #55 WVU 2 - 3 stars, #59 Baylor 1 - 4 star, #63 Wichita State 3 - 3 stars. #81 KSU 1 - 3 star. Louisville and South Carolina not listed in the top 100.

@JayHawkFanToo

Duke will probably be #1 when they land RJ Barrett.

Zion will move up Kentucky a ton (if they land him) and they are likely taking another 5 star or borderline 5 in Keldon Johnson or Tyler Herro. They won't last at 33 but its weird to see them without a ton of early commits.

KU could land at #1 if they get Grimes and another top prospect (Zion or Langford) being the two we have a chance with. A top recruiting class for KU also says we are losing a ton so there's always a give and take to a flashy class.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Arizona lose Shaq's son (to Kentucky). There's been rumors he might not be fully committed anymore.

UCLA could land Moses Brown which moves them up. I believe both their recruits are both Top 100 kids. We offered their one commit Bernard. They also are in the running for a few other 4 star recruits.

Spring will change a lot of classes as always

Well, UK pushed for and is getting a visit from Herro. UK people think it's a rubber stamp visit and he will soon commit to UK. Interesting this happens after their last home visit with Grimes, can't imagine why. @BeddieKU23 @jayballer54

Kentucky is probably out for Grimes. They aren’t getting all of him, Keldon Johnson, and Herro, even if Shai is a OAD (doubtful).

BShark said:

Well, UK pushed for and is getting a visit from Herro. UK people think it's a rubber stamp visit and he will soon commit to UK. Interesting this happens after their last home visit with Grimes, can't imagine why. @BeddieKU23 @jayballer54

My heart tells me I think I know why. Cal just isn't that confident they are going to end up with Grimes - -I think looking better for us all the time ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@BeddieKU23

Interesting to see Kentucky with only one signed recruit to date.

I am starting to think that maybe some prospects are waiting to see if the elite programs get caught in the FBI investigation. Arizona was getting top recruits and now it is under investigation; Louisville is now radioactive. Most everybody has wondered for years how the squid gets all the top prospects; I am sure the FBI has wondered the same thing. The Nike Summer League is under investigation and it is heavily tied to Nike schools. It really makes sense for a top recruit to wait and see where the chips fall; programs, even elite, will always make room for a top recruit regardless of how late he commits.

JayHawkFanToo said:

@BeddieKU23

Interesting to see Kentucky with only one signed recruit to date.

I am starting to think that maybe some prospects are waiting to see if the elite programs get caught in the FBI investigation. Arizona was getting top recruits and now it is under investigation; Louisville is now radioactive. Most everybody has wondered for years how the squid gets all the top prospects; I am sure the FBI has wondered the same thing. The Nike Summer League is under investigation and it is heavily tied to Nike schools. It really makes sense for a top recruit to wait and see where the chips fall; programs, even elite, will always make room for a top recruit regardless of how late he commits.

The FBI did arrest some key players in the Nike side of AAU as well. Who knows how that will shake out for Calipari and other Nike flagship programs but to a default Cal has had shady things happen in his program in the past. He's not squeaky clean but who knows if his machine of OAD's is anything more then a great salesmen and the ability to coach top talent into the NBA..

With his current class I believe the reason he only has 1 signed on right now is because this current batch of freshman is more potential then finished product. Diallo and Knox are OAD prospects. Vanderbilt before the injury seemed like a more then likely 1 year player as well. But Quade Green, Shai Alexander, Washington, Roberts all have to impress as freshman to start getting more attention then they getting. Baker is possibly a 4 year player who is now hurt as well. Recruits have said they think there is a good chance some of this class stays more then 1 year which has left some kids uncertain about a starting spot coming in. Quickley was a UK done deal for a long time so he was going to UK regardless. Also its been pointed out that Calipari missed the ball on the 2018 class trends. He didn't offer a ton early and This class has seen a majority sign early. Programs made relationships early to keep UK from swooping in and taking kids they normally could slow play. Obviously they are trying to land Keldon Johnson and Tyler Herro who both were not on UK's radar just a few months ago. Cal has also passed on some kids for some reasons or pissed off recruits who wanted him (Louis King &
Langford) come to mind. Bol Bol looks like a done deal to Oregon and he was cut from Calipari's Team USA team this summer. Calipari has been kind of put on a level playing field with the competition this recruiting class. Of course if I had to pick where Zion lands it seems that would be UK and he's still a top 2 player in this class. 2019 UK has done some work early so I doubt they will have any trouble filling up with top kids.

So about that Dotson/Grimes backcourt! Looking more and more like a reality..

Absolutely giddy thinking about that dynamic next year

BeddieKU23 said:

So about that Dotson/Grimes backcourt! Looking more and more like a reality..

Absolutely giddy thinking about that dynamic next year

I would think hoping something would possibly start to leak out with Quentin - -see some kind of movement or something. - -Of course if there is no movement well then that should bode well for us cause we were way ahead in the CB - -so no movement otherwise would lead you to believe we in good shape. - -Really hoping he commits early early signing less then a wekk away -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

BeddieKU23 said:

So about that Dotson/Grimes backcourt! Looking more and more like a reality..

Absolutely giddy thinking about that dynamic next year

This is from a Marquette poster that seemed pretty tied in. In case anyone here missed it.

"Got official word. MU is out of the race. Felt really good after the visit but couldn't seal the deal. MU has cancelled their in home and is moving on. Heard that UK is officially out too. Makes it a two horse race...with one horse significantly ahead of the other one. The TU visit today might have just been a courtesy to tell Shaka in person. "

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

So about that Dotson/Grimes backcourt! Looking more and more like a reality..

Absolutely giddy thinking about that dynamic next year

This is from a Marquette poster that seemed pretty tied in. In case anyone here missed it.

"Got official word. MU is out of the race. Felt really good after the visit but couldn't seal the deal. MU has cancelled their in home and is moving on. Heard that UK is officially out too. Makes it a two horse race...with one horse significantly ahead of the other one. The TU visit today might have just been a courtesy to tell Shaka in person. "

See , well if he is really tied in - -that's good to hear. - -See this is what I've been feeling all along too, that NOT Kentucky - -BUT Texas is/was our biggest challenge for Grimes.

Now not saying they would win the battle - -just I felt they were the biggest Challenge - -Not Kentucky - -hope he will commit now in the early period what a class. - -We land Quentin then hell I don't care even some middle level say some kind of other big - - -Doesn't have to be Zion -just a solid 3-4 maybe top 100 player from somewhere something like that I'd be good to go - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Was. Definitely was. Past tense is important.

Also @jayballer54 glad to see you are aboard the Grimes and 1-2 rt donks plan. However, there might be some interesting developments with Romeo...

BShark said:

Was. Definitely was. Past tense is important.

Also @jayballer54 glad to see you are aboard the Grimes and 1-2 rt donks plan. However, there might be some interesting developments with Romeo...

Oh? -- really? -- what might that be? - -heard something possibly? - -any chance things have turned or at least leveled the board possibly for us. - -Just seemed that Indiana had pretty much taken over for him. - -So maybe a sniff of a chnce yet? - -hope so - -let me know man. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 Watch for Garland to commit to Vandy. If he does, that's good for KU. Langford wants to play with other 5*s. He is also good friends with Grimes.

BShark said:

@jayballer54 Watch for Garland to commit to Vandy. If he does, that's good for KU. Langford wants to play with other 5*s. He is also good friends with Grimes.

OK but just because Garland commits to Vandy - -which it looks like he is going to - how does that help us - we weren't recruiting Garland? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

It makes IU much less appealing to Langford...

KU never seriously recruited Garland.

But if you type Garland Vanderbilt as a search...Wow. People are sick.

BShark said:

@jayballer54 Watch for Garland to commit to Vandy. If he does, that's good for KU. Langford wants to play with other 5*s. He is also good friends with Grimes.

Bingo! Howard hit a homer on his visit with Langford earlier.

@dylans Not the same person.

KUSTEVE said:

@dylans Not the same person.

Definitely not! I didn’t know his first name so that’s the search I started with. No Bueno

Ok I need help - -I am wanting to private message someone here and do not know how to get to them - -how do I do that please -- thanks guys - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54
Click on the name. Private message ("Start new chat") should be one of the items in the menu in their profile. Three dots next to picture.

mayjay said:

@jayballer54
Click on the name. Private message ("Start new chat") should be one of the items in the menu in their profile. Three dots next to picture.

Thank you greatly appreciated - - Learn something every day lol - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 It is funny how various things like menus or links show up nonobviously on the screen and you might never know they are there until someone points it out.

I hate programs where things are invisible until you happen to have your cursor nearby and then they magically appear. Luckily, this one is not like that.

jayballer54 said:

Ok I need help - -I am wanting to private message someone here and do not know how to get to them - -how do I do that please -- thanks guys - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Go to the person's profile then you see a blue circle click on that then look down on the second line then you will profile chat message

@blackmild33 Got it thank you - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Last twitter follow: Silvio De Sousa :coffee: :newspaper:

Almost like it will happen soon...

Dotson, Grimes, McCormack, De Sousa -- one of Self's best classes, not a presumed OAD to be found. Just need Grimes to join the party.

HighEliteMajor said:

Dotson, Grimes, McCormack, De Sousa -- one of Self's best classes, not a presumed OAD to be found. Just need Grimes to join the party.

Grimes and Silvio could be. I do think Silvio is at least a two year guy unless his handler(s) are dead set on it.

Dotson and McCormack should be 3+ year guys. If Dotson absolutely explodes maybe only two years but that season probably ends very well for KU...

@HighEliteMajor

...and this does not even include the 3 quality transfers who will also be able to play and were all 4 stars, Dedrick #37, KJ #54 and Moore #55 and who compared to newcomers Dedrick would certainly be a 5 star and the others pretty close to it. Monster class when all incoming players are considered.

JayHawkFanToo said:

@HighEliteMajor

...and this does not even include the 3 quality transfers who will also be able to play and were all 4 stars, Dedrick #37, KJ #54 and Moore #55 and who compared to newcomers Dedrick would certainly be a 5 star and the others pretty close to it. Monster class when all incoming players are considered.

I'd a take a RS JR Dedric Lawson over any one post recruit in the 2018 class. Not close. Moore and KJ are solid bench contributors. :thumbsup:

Dedric would start on almost any team in America right now. Putting up 19/12 is no joke. He’s going to be an absolute monster once Hudy gets done with him. Keep in mind he was putting up those numbers as one of the least athletic guys in the country.

FarmerJayhawk said:

Dedric would start on almost any team in America right now. Putting up 19/12 is no joke. He’s going to be an absolute monster once Hudy gets done with him. Keep in mind he was putting up those numbers as one of the least athletic guys in the country.

Incredibly skilled player. Preston and Dedric are two of the most skilled post forwards Self has ever had. If Dedric could play this year I'd put KU as the title favourite.

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Grimes himself liked that tweet. Seems positive.

I asked Matt Scott about Grimes and he replied with a big grinning smiley face. SO I MEAN.......

Tifwiw but I read on a Marquette forum that Grimes said on his visit there that he is headed to Kansas. The source is a current player on the Marquette team.

This honestly does make sense given how quickly Marquette seemed to move on after the visit and their insiders are saying they are out etc...

Garrett, Dotson, Grimes. Self really evaluating and closing like a mad man

of course the assistants get a high-five as well. Stellar job they are doing

BeddieKU23 said:

of course the assistants get a high-five as well. Stellar job they are doing

Snacks right now

The article we don't want to see ... "Grimes to wait until spring to decide"

HighEliteMajor said:

The article we don't want to see ... "Grimes to wait until spring to decide"

There is a person in his camp that wants this, but it's looking like they have been tuned out or that person has just accepted it.

I will be very glad once Grimes has, presumably, signed with KU and this person is no longer a concern.

@BShark

Snacks is definitely proving to be a good recruiter in the last year or so

Garrett, Jacobs, McCormack and likely Grimes. For those keeping score at home.

Before that he had only really landed Cliff so it's good to see him get some kids on board.

BeddieKU23 said:

Garrett, Dotson, Grimes. Self really evaluating and closing like a mad man

So then as we are expect , Quentin commits with us - -then are we done for the year? - -Or do you think we still try to add yet another player? - -If we do what ya think we would be looking at? - -Seems to me with Grimes , Dotson, Moore, Garrett next year backcourt would be pretty much set -I'm just unsure for what position they would look after these. - -Frontline next year we will have De-Sousa - -McCormack both Lawson's & Lightfoot - -and it not a 100 % given that Doke will be gone - then you have Cunliffe - -either spot front or backcourt - Could play the 2 spot possibly - -or the small forward so which way would they go you think? - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@BShark Sounds better all the time - -Always have felt pretty confident with him - -but you just never know till he signs that LOI - -good to hear - -hopefully this weekend. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 Might be done but I'm sure KU still pursues both Langford and Zion. The team next year (assuming Grimes is locked in) looks great but could really use one of Sr. Vick, Langford, or Zion for that 3 spot. Anything else after that is just gravy.

jayballer54 said:

@BShark Sounds better all the time - -Always have felt pretty confident with him - -but you just never know till he signs that LOI - -good to hear - -hopefully this weekend. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Much more likely that it is early next week.

BShark said:

jayballer54 said:

@BShark Sounds better all the time - -Always have felt pretty confident with him - -but you just never know till he signs that LOI - -good to hear - -hopefully this weekend. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Much more likely that it is early next week.

Ya maybe so - -heard two different dates - -some talk around the 10th - -then also had heard like the 13th - -either way is A-OK with me lol - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

jayballer54 said:

BShark said:

jayballer54 said:

@BShark Sounds better all the time - -Always have felt pretty confident with him - -but you just never know till he signs that LOI - -good to hear - -hopefully this weekend. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Much more likely that it is early next week.

Ya maybe so - -heard two different dates - -some talk around the 10th - -then also had heard like the 13th - -either way is A-OK with me lol - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Where were you hearing the 10th? Not seen that at all.

BShark said:

Garrett, Jacobs, McCormack and likely Grimes. For those keeping score at home.

Before that he had only really landed Cliff so it's good to see him get some kids on board.

Also Newman, if you want to count transfers. Grimes should sign early next week. May just be a logistical thing with ESPN. KU will definitely pursue Langford and Zion until they're eliminated or the recruits commit somewhere else. We've come this far and don't really have a numbers issue, so might as well shoot for the moon. KU won't get both though. I actually prefer Langford if Udoka comes back. Just better fit because I think Zion is way more a 4 than 3.

@HighEliteMajor

KU already has a very good class even if no one else is signed, everyone else at this time is icing on the cake. If Grimes waits it might actually open the door for Langford and/or Williamson.

https://kansas.247sports.com/Article/Quentin-Grimes-Highlights-of-Top-15-2018-PG-at-USA-Basketball-110203302 ↗

What's really interesting in this highlight video article you ask?

"Recruiting: Quentin Grimes is expected to choose between Kansas and Texas soon."

@BShark You ever notice the defense in these clips - or should I say the LACK of defense lol. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 Lol too true.

But yeah the more I read it sounds like you were right, Texas was the biggest threat.

BShark said:

@jayballer54 Lol too true.

But yeah the more I read it sounds like you were right, Texas was the biggest threat.

Until he actually makes it official - doesn't matter how much I want to believe - -there is still this itsy bitsy feel about them lol

Ya I've just been feelin all along they were/are the ones - because of him being from Texas and knowing the squad so well -what he knows Coleman?/right I think and a couple of others - Then you have Shaka - -made a pretty good impression from what I heard - -I'm ready for him to say he is coming here. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 I think 95% of it is Shaka.

From a 247 article

There’s still no clarity on whether Quentin Grimes, the 6-foot-5-inch combo guard from The Woodlands College Park, will sign during the early period. If he does, Kansas is expected to be the pick, although the Longhorns have made up some ground of late according to our sources.

While Kansas appears to be out in front, sources on the Texas side of things continue to tell Horns247 that the Longhorns aren’t as far behind in the race for Grimes as some might think. Again, even though the Jayhawks are the favorite, the Longhorns and Jai Lucas have done enough to see it through to the end with Grimes.

“I think he ends up at Kansas,” an industry source told me. “But if he ends up at Texas I won’t be shocked. I’ll be surprised though.”

@BShark That's what I'm afraid of - - Dam - -I hope not. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 lol

It's from the Texas site. It's going to be as Texas slanted as possible and it says they still expect KU to be the choice.

Reading between the lines I think it's pretty clear that the choice will 100% be KU if it happens within the next week as expected.

BShark said:

Reading between the lines I think it's pretty clear that the choice will 100% be KU if it happens within the next week as expected.

Well lets hope he commits during the period for sure - -will feel much better. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Even the Maryland donks switched their CB picks for Keldon Johnson to UK. Looks like they will get Herro and KJ.

Keldon to UK as expected.

Maryland board is probably top lul right now.

BShark said:

Maryland board is probably top lul right now.

Hahaha

@BeddieKU23 Once UK gets Herro too and Grimes commits to KU next week they will spin it that Cal no longer wanted him. Just wait for it...

Kansas is losing some ground and Texas has picked up some picks

@blackmild33 bad news!

Dain Ervin put in a Maryland pick for Devon Dotson before changing it back. He tries to be contrarian to get big points if it works out that way.

Dain Ervin picked Arizona for Mitch Lightfoot. Arizona for Josh Jackson. FSU for Doke. :coffee:

Haven’t heard anything but Kansas has this one locked up and Grimes will sign this week.

It's funny that the q commitment was leaked but yet there is still talk like it's not happening.

Can't wait to see him announce for ku this week

Well Matt Scott just came out swinging in his own way. Still feel great about this one.

Bill self is meeting with grimes tonight

Herro announcing Tuesday. Kentucky obviously.

BShark said:

Herro announcing Tuesday. Kentucky obviously.

Yep. They’ve moved on. Texas only one who thinks they’re left with KU. lol Shaka.

@BShark

Surprisingly this cycle he's been tolerable

BeddieKU23 said:

@BShark

Surprisingly this cycle he's been tolerable

He's been played on a few recruitments but the only thing that really ticked me off was the Trae Young thing...

Hopefully he never does something like that again.

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

@BShark

Surprisingly this cycle he's been tolerable

He's been played on a few recruitments but the only thing that really ticked me off was the Trae Young thing...

Hopefully he never does something like that again.

I agree that one is tough to get over no matter how much he makes amends for it this season. Hopefully he keeps it up

Grimes just tweeted "stay tuned".

He keeps tweeting it and deleting it. Lol.

Evan Daniels is saying it’s “up in the air” between Texas and KU. He’s half right. UT finished 2nd.

FarmerJayhawk said:

Evan Daniels is saying it’s “up in the air” between Texas and KU. He’s half right. UT finished 2nd.

I really don't understand what's been so hard to understand in this recruitment. Playa is usually pretty good with his game but this one he is way off

BeddieKU23 said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

Evan Daniels is saying it’s “up in the air” between Texas and KU. He’s half right. UT finished 2nd.

I really don't understand what's been so hard to understand in this recruitment. Playa is usually pretty good with his game but this one he is way off

He just doesn't know yet. Hasn't put in a CB pick.

What's surprising is that Shaka is in the final 2. That really just blows my mind having paid attention to this recruitment.

They are already over the scholarship limit to begin with even with Jones & Bamba not returning next season. Someone else is already being pushed out just to make room for Hepa.

Hopefully he gets it done by Wednesday

From Bossi

Kentucky and Marquette are his other finalists but, most likely Grimes is going to end up picking between the Jayhawks and Longhorns. No actual date to commit has been set, but it would be a surprise if he makes it out of the early signing period and if we had to place a bet on where he ends up, we still believe Kansas is in a good spot.

BeddieKU23 said:

What's surprising is that Shaka is in the final 2. That really just blows my mind having paid attention to this recruitment.

They are already over the scholarship limit to begin with even with Jones & Bamba not returning next season. Someone else is already being pushed out just to make room for Hepa.

Hopefully he gets it done by Wednesday

Cal was smart enough to move on when he realized where Grimes is headed. Marquette coaches too.

Like you said Texas is recruiting with house money here. I would assume currently they are forcing out a forward.

@BeddieKU23 Apparently Self is chilling in Houston right now.

BShark said:

@BeddieKU23 Apparently Self is chilling in Houston right now.

Thanks for keeping up on this.

@BeddieKU23 No problem. Can't imagine he'd be down there today, before a huge game tomorrow night, if he doesn't know Grimes is a Hawk but we will see.

6:30 Wednesday for an announcement.

good! time for celebration this week

FarmerJayhawk said:

6:30 Wednesday for an announcement.

Ya just saw that. - -at his High School College Park. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

This could be a very good week for KU fans...:smiley:

Announces his announcement when Bill Self is down in Houston. Interesting.

Coach Self checking in with him today. - - Think says a lot - - Quentin telling Coach - -it's a done deal.

Pretty simple I think. - -If he wants Tradition - - -History - - -Play for a team that leads the Nation for consectutive appearances in the NCAA - - -Exposure - - - Consistent sellouts - - - -Lunatics for fans - -development - -playing with other big time players - -Then simple - -he lands here.

on the Other Hand if he wants to stay close to home - stay in his home State - - play before so so crowds - -play with his friends - -Then it's Texas. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

jayballer54 said:

Coach Self checking in with him today. - - Think says a lot - - Quentin telling Coach - -it's a done deal.

Pretty simple I think. - -If he wants Tradition - - -History - - -Play for a team that leads the Nation for consectutive appearances in the NCAA - - -Exposure - - - Consistent sellouts - - - -Lunatics for fans - -development - -playing with other big time players - -Then simple - -he lands here.

on the Other Hand if he wants to stay close to home - stay in his home State - - play before so so crowds - -play with his friends - -Then it's Texas. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

The kid still has a lot of family in the KC metro.

@BShark YA I think with Coach seeing him today - -him announcing his announcement date today - -I think we are getting ready to drive it way over left field lol. - - -

Man can you imagine - -just picture this for a minute. - -What a week this could be, a early recruiting period this could be.

First we Get Dotson's LOI - - -Then McCormack's - - Today we got De-Sousa, Imagine to cap it off if We land Grimes Weds - -then we get word De Sousa has been granted re-classification to play this year. -- holy cow that would be an unbelievable week/ early period - - oh ya. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 Pretty good week brother! Helps keep my mind off other things...

BShark said:

@jayballer54 Pretty good week brother! Helps keep my mind off other things...
I Understand where your coming from on that & I understand - - so that's a good thing bud - -helps get ya some times - - hope it happens - -would be great - - get those spirits up and looking forward - -let's do this bud - -let's bring him home to the Nation - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

I checked things out. - -Texas has their roster of 15 - -they lose 3 Seniors - takes them down to 12 - - but not sure all of those 3 are on Scholi - - -assuming they lose Bamba - -takes them to 11 - - not sure if they lose anyone else or not - - not sure what they have got committed so far. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 so you checked things out and are not sure

UT has no scholarship seniors, but will almost certainly lose Jones and Bamba to the NBA. So that takes them to 10 scholarship players. They've signed 4 in 2018, so they already have to cut one to get to 13. Two to add Grimes.

Let's hope Shaka doesn't pull a shaka. If he does, they might finish .500 in the Big 12.

A pretty knowledgeable and tied in poster said that he thinks Dotson and Grimes will both start for KU, but neither will be playing AHEAD OF Marcus Garrett, who he said is a complete stud.

@BeddieKU23

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BShark said:

A pretty knowledgeable and tied in poster said that he thinks Dotson and Grimes will both start for KU, but neither will be playing AHEAD OF Marcus Garrett, who he said is a complete stud.

@BeddieKU23

3 headed monster

@3genhawk Ya I'm not sure just how many scholi they have available. - I'm not sure if all three of the Seniors were on Scholi so they wouldn't be using one up which in turn means extra availiable. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

FarmerJayhawk said:

UT has no scholarship seniors, but will almost certainly lose Jones and Bamba to the NBA. So that takes them to 10 scholarship players. They've signed 4 in 2018, so they already have to cut one to get to 13. Two to add Grimes.
Oh well hell then how they even in the picture. - -that's messed up if their running players off. - -I realize they can be jerked at any time but that's messed up, you would think that would make for negative recruiting if a player wanted to spill that out how he was ran out for another player. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Haven't heard anything other than Kansas.

FarmerJayhawk said:

Haven't heard anything other than Kansas.

Let's hope it stays that way

Jerry Meyer has it as a tossup with Texas being right there. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Ok, if he picks KU, he's awesome, well grounded, wise beyond his years, a team player, up for any challenge, and everything good in the world. If he picks Texas, he's a fool, afraid of competition, not interested in improving, selfish, being paid by Nike, weak minded, and generally everything horrible about CBB and recruiting.

Amazing what one decision will tell us ( not necessarily "us" on this site, but in many corners of Jayhawks nation). Or so it always seems.

I'm a little nervous about this one for some reason, can anybody ease my nerves about it and tell me there isn't anything to worry about? haha.

RockkChalkk said:

I'm a little nervous about this one for some reason, can anybody ease my nerves about it and tell me there isn't anything to worry about? haha.

Sorry I can't, I still remember Ayton.

@BShark Yep, same here. The comments from Jerry Meyer aren't sitting well with me.

It will suck if he picks UT, I'll have to not load the phog for a couple days at least, lol. It won't be ideal but KU would be alright next season.

I’ve never heard UT is doing anything other than making it interesting. KU has led wire to wire. If anything changes, I’ll let you all know.

Apparently Shaka went to watch Grimes play while Coach Self was in town. Interesting, Shaka trying to beat Coach Self off the court since he has been unable to do it on the the court since THAT game...

RockkChalkk said:

I'm a little nervous about this one for some reason, can anybody ease my nerves about it and tell me there isn't anything to worry about? haha.
You and me both. - Until he actually announces I'll stay nervous. I mentioned sometime back that when some thought Kentucky was coming in and trying to make that push/run for him , I said at that time it wasn't Kentucky we needed to worry about as much as I thought Texas was going to be our stiffest competitor for him. That's obviously what I still believe.

I just got this sick feeling that come tomorrow evening that he comes out and says next year I'm going to be playing for the University of Texas. I can just hear it now. Just as some here have been saying to me because of my statement about Langford leaning towards at the time Indiana- - some said to me OH well if Langford was so set on Indiana then why doesn't he just go ahead an announce and commit now? - -why wait? - To that I say Hell I dunno how about this why don't you ask Langford why.

I can in turn I can turn right around and say the same thing about Grimes. If Grimes is so committed to KU then why don't he just come out and say publicly that he is coming to KU? Ah and don't try and give me the excuse about well he wants to set up his scheduling/announcement ceremony hell I could say the same for Langford. If Grimes is truly locked in to KU then why even allow Shaka to come to the house anymore? - Why doesn't he just tell Shaka I appreciate your time and effort in my recruitment BUT I've made my decision and I'm committing to KU? -why waste Shaka's time Quentin's time - - -I think Texas is STILL a very big player in this. - -If it was settled why does Coach feel the need to go visit him again yesterday? - If Quentin was truly 100% sold - Shaka wouldn't be there yesterday - -he wouldn't of been to his game last night, for some reason they feel they are still in this.

I hope I'm wrong but I'm like you- -I think that this just might be one that gets away keeping fingers crossed. - -like has been said if he does - -we will still be fine, we were fine before - -we would be fine after but sure would be sweet. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

KU made Romeo's final three and he is waiting until spring so if you still don't think KU is in that recruitment I don't know what to tell you there.

Anyway @jayballer54 , I'm starting to feel uneasy about Grimes as well.

@jayballer54

he's announcing wednesday what else do you want

So you're Grimes. You see that Vick might return. Newman could stay. Garrett started. Cunliffe in the wings. Langford has KU in final three with one non-basketball school (Vandy).

Self made a special trip to see him.

I've said this before in other situations- Do we guarantee Grimes that we won't take Langford if Vick or Newman stays? Logically, that is the only apparent hold up.

If Vick or Newman stayed, there is a chance Grimes could be #5 on the wing of Langford picks KU in the spring.

Cunliffe is a non-factor. Newman is leaving. I don't know how sold Grimes is on those facts but that's the truth.

I do think there is a real chance Vick stays.

Who else is KU recruiting at Grimes position? Nobody that's the answer.

Langford is a wing and we are recruiting him as such.

A month ago we were worried about Dotson going to Maryland. They "closed the gap", gave him "something to think about". Heck Maryland even had his best friend doing everything they could.

2-3 weeks ago Marquette and Kentucky had really closed the gap. Once they moved on now its Texas has closed the gap.

This is funny

If we get Grimes and Vick stays, it eliminates us for Langford. Newman was gone after this year the minute he signed.

Vick had 23 points in the 1st game. If he has a similar game tonight in front of a million scouts and eyes he's going to start getting a ton of looks.

Obviously coming back as a senior could have its benefits. Seen Frank do it, seen Devonte do it. That could be important to him seeing the path that others have made coming back. Vick has what the NBA wants though which is different then Frank & Devonte's position to stay. I think that is a significant factor that Vick is viewed as a NBA player. We have to factor in that all his boys that he came in with could be gone as well. As many as 7 new faces next year.

BeddieKU23 said:

Vick had 23 points in the 1st game. If he has a similar game tonight in front of a million scouts and eyes he's going to start getting a ton of looks.

Obviously coming back as a senior could have its benefits. Seen Frank do it, seen Devonte do it. That could be important to him seeing the path that others have made coming back. Vick has what the NBA wants though which is different then Frank & Devonte's position to stay. I think that is a significant factor that Vick is viewed as a NBA player. We have to factor in that all his boys that he came in with could be gone as well. As many as 7 new faces next year.

Yeah if he is consistently filling it up he will probably go. Can't blame him in that case. It also means KU likely had a great year.

I feel you on the most people he came in with being gone. No doubt he knows the Lawsons well though, along with Tarik Black he helped reel them in. :)

BeddieKU23 said:

@jayballer54

he's announcing wednesday what else do you want

Really? - -dam thanks for that tidbit had no idea. - -So because he is announcing tomorrow then that means he is committing to KU right? - -gotcha thanks - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@BeddieKU23 So exactly where are you positioning Grimes at anyways? - -a Wing - -Langford can and probably will play wing especially if he comes here. - -you playing Grimes at PG - - umm already have Dotson recruited and signed there. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

jayballer54 said:

BeddieKU23 said:

@jayballer54

he's announcing wednesday what else do you want

Really? - -dam thanks for that tidbit had no idea. - -So because he is announcing tomorrow then that means he is committing to KU right? - -gotcha thanks - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Well yes you answered your own questions.

jayballer54 said:

@BeddieKU23 So exactly where are you positioning Grimes at anyways? - -a Wing - -Langford can and probably will play wing especially if he comes here. - -you playing Grimes at PG - - umm already have Dotson recruited and signed there. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

The "2" guard position or whatever you call it today. We know he can play point if needed but that's not his primary position or his primary need in KU's lineup. It's his ability to score, his vision and his defensive capabilities that we want. If we go to 4 guards which has become our new reality then I'm failing to see where he doesn't start and get everything he wants. Self can trot out Dotson, Grimes Garrett at minimum and have 3 very capable ball handlers, play-makers, and continue with this offensive scheme that gives opposing teams nightmares trying to guard.

@BShark Why do you think Cunliffe is a non-factor? Just because he appears to be pretty weak right now? I do get that. But he's a body that will be in Self's system for nearly two years come Oct/2018. How about he's a "consideration." That might be better until proven otherwise.

On Newman, don't be so sure he's gone. We know odd things have happened. Players we think are leaving, don't. What if Newman isn't showing up on GM's draft sheets as highly as desired? I agree, it is very likely he's gone. But I'd would say that is over 70%. There's still a reasonable window there.

Just playing a little "what if" here.

We're going to get Grimes, I think. But stranger things have happened. No doubt there.

@jayballer54 Aaron Rodgers says r-e-l-a-x.

@HighEliteMajor Just what I've seen mentioned from people that would know re: Cunliffe. I don't see him contributing much this year or next. His best case next year is 5th in the guard rotation (which is pretty great for KU).

I think Newman would go play in a foreign league over another year of college. $$$.

@BShark I WOULD make a response with Aaron BUT then I'd have people on me because I'm talking Aaron -I know Aaron's famous relax statement lmao - - see but I can't really say that cause then I have people saying I'm a homer GB fan - -NA that can't be , we all need to try and find something we can ALL agree on - - - - -hmmm let's see ummm well I'm a KU fan - -hope I'm not a homer for that. - But seriously I want Quentin just like the next Joe - sorry if I spoke up about being nervous - not getting a good feeling -- let's all just sit back and hope for the best - I just am not getting that good a feeling - -you said yourself your feeling nervous, - -But guess we need to pull together and hope for the best.

Like has been said though if he does choose to go to Texas? - -Guess what? - we'll be fine - - Still really good class - then if Romeo ends up here - we be really good. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

It will be interesting to see what we get out of Sam. Initially I wasn't happy at his exit from ASU (and if you take the fans and his coach for their word) they were happy to trade him to KU. Maturity was the biggest concern I had for him coming to the program. Has he matured in his time off? We'll find out quick because he joins the team as the 9th option on the team. So he's going to have to battle just to see the court other then mop up time or injury/foul trouble.

I hope we get to see his perimeter shot and see him blending in with the team. Going to keep an open mind in regards to him until we see what he can do. If he can defend and make a few perimeter shots I hope he sticks around and continues to work on his game. Seems like he could be easily forgotten if he doesn't get on the court a ton this season

@BeddieKU23 Ryan/BHam made a post that generally mirrors my thoughts on 247 except I think I am a BIT higher on Moore. He tends to be on the negative side so everyone keep that in mind as I quote this. He is however, generally knowledgeable and has a good read on what the staff is thinking.

"I think KU is looking at Dotson, Vick, and Garrett right now as the perimeter for next season. Add Grimes and you've got a really nice core 4 to spread minutes too.

Charlie Moore is good for depth, and if Vick leaves, he gives you some more scoring punch by sliding into that group of 4. I'm still not entirely sure on the Moore take, though, as it still seems a bit odd to me.

Not as odd as taking Cunliffe, who I'm not sure will ever play meaningful minutes, barring injuries.

If KU adds Grimes, I expect Dotson, Vick, Garrett is probably the day 1 starting guards, with Grimes likely being the first guy off the bench. If Vick goes, that makes things murkier because KU might want to avoid 2 freshman as the ballhandlers alongside Garrett from the outset.

I don't think KJ ultimately plays as anything but a small-ball 4 like Josh or Billy."

@BShark

I did see his post. Some interesting comments.

I'm high on Moore in year 4 and 5. Next year is perfect to have a better option with Dotson. Maybe you get a player like Nic Moore (small in stature, scorer, leader) etc down the road. That's what I'm hoping for because physically he's always going to be limited. Jeff Goodman referred to him as a High School freshman in stature at a recent practice. I think the sit-out year and rotation role next season is exactly what we need from him in the immediate future

@BeddieKU23 Agree about Moore. If next year's starting guard line-up is Dotson, Vick, Garrett I think that's pretty damn good.

@BShark Grimes and Garrett would be interchangeable to me. Both big guards who can handle the ball, but probably better suited to being primarily off the ball and could play 1-3 at any point.

I still think we get Grimes, but if we don't, Langford is still on the board. Though I do think he wants to play with Grimes, so maybe Vandy gets him to go with Garland. But it is interesting that we're seeing the staff so high on Garrett that they're penciling him in the lineup next season no matter what. I don't blame them because Garrett is going to be phenomenal. But missing on Grimes would sting like crazy.

Grimes appears to be a better shooter than Garrett but otherwise I would agree.

He definitely is. With all that's around him, Grimes could shoot 42%+ from 3 next season. He'll get some great looks with Garrett, Dotson, and Vick/Langford slashing.

With Grimes rumored to be OAD by some, hard for me to see him backing up Garrett. I guess if Self plays small ball the entire season, that problem is solved.

@ajvan I don't see how we can play small ball with Silvio, the Lawson brothers, and Maccormack. If Grimes doesn't think he can beat out Garrett, do we really have to have him?

I still think so. He's so talented and Vick may decide to leave. I don't want to rely on Moore as the starting 2 if Vick leaves and we miss on Grimes.

@KUSTEVE I think we will probably see more next year again of the traditional with two big's again - -Self likes that - -but plays to his roster. - with the big's you mentioned ya our front court is going to be crazy. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

When KJ is at the 4 it will be closer to small ball.

Just asked around again on Grimes. Still Kansas.

FarmerJayhawk said:

Just asked around again on Grimes. Still Kansas.

Good to hear. Tonto seemed to have some solid insight on the situation, though you probably already read that.

FarmerJayhawk said:

Just asked around again on Grimes. Still Kansas.

That's good news - -just got to get through the next 24 hours - will feel soo much better. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

I did! Sounds like we’re talking to different people. I know he has contacts in the South, so maybe he’s talking to people on UT’s end.

I'm starting to feel like a little kid on the night BEFORE Christmas, waiting for Christmas morning.

Visions of De-Sousa , McCormack , Dotson , & Grimes - then comes the new year and along comes Langford - -don't wake me up - let it be lol. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@BShark We know what Tonto thinks, what about the Lone Ranger?

Hey, where did my tag line go, Aproxx?

KUSTEVE said:

Hey, where did my tag line go, Aproxx?

POOF ! ! ! GONE lol. - - - -JUMPIN - - -GEE -- HOSSA - -FATS.- - - golly gee wow batman - -where that tag go. - -lol - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Mercy ! ! ! - -Iowa State getting beat by 18 at Hilton by Milwaukee? - am worse then I thought - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@FarmerJayhawk Who'd you ask?

@jayballer54 The powerful Big 12 flexing its early season muscle.

jayballer54 said:

Mercy ! ! ! - -Iowa State getting beat by 18 at Hilton by Milwaukee? - am worse then I thought - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Can we stay on topic here

blackmild33 said:

jayballer54 said:

Mercy ! ! ! - -Iowa State getting beat by 18 at Hilton by Milwaukee? - am worse then I thought - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Can we stay on topic here

Ya CAN we? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

HighEliteMajor said:

@FarmerJayhawk Who'd you ask?

@jayballer54 The powerful Big 12 flexing its early season muscle.

Won’t say. But I’m not changing my mind. More good news tomorrow.

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@BShark :metal_tone2:

@HighEliteMajor

The conference is 15-3 so far with 2 of the losses by ISU and 1 by WVU. The ACC is 24-9 so technically the Big 12 has a better winning percentage.

@JayHawkFanToo Not sure I would shout from the mountaintop about that 15-3 record. Other than us beating UK, there isn't a single quality win among the bunch - not sure if any will be top RPI 100 wins. Against Power 5 opponents, the conference is 1-2. Other than ISU's loss to Milwaukee, about the best that can be said is that the conference has avoided any really bad losses so far.

@BShark LOL - - -Let me try: -Grimes , Grimes , Grimes , Grimes , Grimes , Grimes , Grimes , Grimes , Grimes , Grimes, Grimes , Grimes -- hell at I LIKE IT - - Come on down Quentin - -welcome to Jayhawk Nation. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@DCHawker Iowa State is really bad - - -really , really bad - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 Hearing from too many people that KU is the choice. :grinning:

BShark said:

@jayballer54 Hearing from too many people that KU is the choice. :grinning:

HELL YA - - let's do this - -complete a great week - Win vs Kentucky, - -be able to Land Quentin - -& then for the icing- get noticed that De-Sousa has been cleared by the NCAA for re-classification by the end of the week - -I'll take that lol - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

KU just got a CB pick for Grimes. Fully expecting a run there as it leaks.

@BShark when and where's the announcement? Please?

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@BShark when and where's the announcement? Please?

6:30pm. At his school in Texas

Should be a Facebook Live stream too.

Everybody good now? There was some panic creeping in..

I certainly understand why we would get nervous, we've certainly been down the rabbit hole a few times with recruits we thought were shoe-ins.

Surprisingly I have been very confident with Q for a while. The staffs lack of movement on other recruits tells a big picture here. If that ends up being a key indicator with this one its always something to consider in future recruitment's.

Thx Jayhawks!

Matt Scott just 100% confirmed it's KU. Party is on.

I'm still waiting for the bird-Jayhawk to sing

BShark said:

Matt Scott just 100% confirmed it's KU. Party is on.

what a recruiting haul!

Oh look, CB point troll Dain Ervin flipped to Kansas. CB back to 100% KU.

BeddieKU23 said:

I certainly understand why we would get nervous, we've certainly been down the rabbit hole a few times with recruits we thought were shoe-ins.

Surprisingly I have been very confident with Q for a while. The staffs lack of movement on other recruits tells a big picture here. If that ends up being a key indicator with this one its always something to consider in future recruitment's.

Of note that Shaka/UT has made a big push for Courtney Ramey. They are not confident and never have been.

It’s over. What a haul. We’re pretty much done recruiting now for awhile. I think only one realistic target left (Langford). And that’s only if Vick leaves. Givony at ESPN is saying Udoka isn’t really on draft radars yet this season. More likely than not we bring them both back than neither as of today. Have fun America.

Vick and Doke back changes next years outlook dramatically with what we have coming in. Without your looking at a complete overhaul. Would be nice to see at least 1/2 return. A 3rd year from Doke would be essentially year 2 for him. Excited at his progression already

If Vick and Doke both return just fuhhhhgedddddaaaaboutit.

BShark said:

If Vick and Doke both return just fuhhhhgedddddaaaaboutit.

57 threads about lineup combinations... and go

BeddieKU23 said:

I certainly understand why we would get nervous, we've certainly been down the rabbit hole a few times with recruits we thought were shoe-ins.

Surprisingly I have been very confident with Q for a while. The staffs lack of movement on other recruits tells a big picture here. If that ends up being a key indicator with this one its always something to consider in future recruitment's.

Ya can you say De-Andre Ayton lol - that was a HUGE rabbit hole. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Crimsonorblue22 said:

I'm still waiting for the bird-Jayhawk to sing

Tweet, tweetie - -tweet tweet. - -Sorry bad attempt to sing like a Jayhawk birdie singing lol. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

BShark said:

If Vick and Doke both return just fuhhhhgedddddaaaaboutit.

FORGETTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT ABOUT IT. TURN OUT THE LIGHTS - -THE PARTY OVER LOL - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Why do all of you suddenly feel we have Grimes now?

@DCHawker

I am not shouting from the mountain tops, I am simply saying that all power conference teams play easy games to start the season and when they play tougher games they often lose a few, particularly the bottom feeders; the closeness of both games last night proved that all 4 teams are not that different and all legit top 10. At this time we cannot say what conference will be good or bad since we have not seen enough to judge one way or the other. We cannot say the Big 12 will be good yet but cannot say that it will not be either, that's all.

Teams, particularly young ones, are still trying to find their identities. There is no question that KU and UK will get much better and teams that look good so far, such as Duke, are one Grayson Allen injury away from being average.

Grimes will push KU to the #1 recruiting class in the nation ahead of Duke, UK & North Carolina.

So if we have Grimes, then we need to get Langford..."Romeo, Romeo, what art thou, Romeo?"

KUSTEVE said:

So if we have Grimes, then we need to get Langford..."Romeo, Romeo, what art thou, Romeo?"

Seems like the plan if we have some guards leave early

The day Young announced, all of his CB picks switched to Oklahoma hours before he made it public. Someone close to him leaked it and I think that’s happening here. He’s gotta be ours. Hope he can snag Zion 😈.

KUSTEVE said:

Why do all of you suddenly feel we have Grimes now?

Because it's basically leaked that Kansas is the pick.

SkinnyKansasDude said:

The day Young announced, all of his CB picks switched to Oklahoma hours before he made it public. Someone close to him leaked it and I think that’s happening here. He’s gotta be ours. Hope he can snag Zion 😈.

Umm Zion not so much. - -Clemson now trending pretty good for Zion. - -His dad played there - -In- State School - -looking more and more might land there. - -Damm bet Kentucky is HOT ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

jayballer54 said:

SkinnyKansasDude said:

The day Young announced, all of his CB picks switched to Oklahoma hours before he made it public. Someone close to him leaked it and I think that’s happening here. He’s gotta be ours. Hope he can snag Zion 😈.

Umm Zion not so much. - -Clemson now trending pretty good for Zion. - -His dad played there - -In- State School - -looking more and more might land there. - -Damm bet Kentucky is HOT

If it ain't us, I want it to be Clemson.

BShark said:

jayballer54 said:

SkinnyKansasDude said:

The day Young announced, all of his CB picks switched to Oklahoma hours before he made it public. Someone close to him leaked it and I think that’s happening here. He’s gotta be ours. Hope he can snag Zion 😈.

Umm Zion not so much. - -Clemson now trending pretty good for Zion. - -His dad played there - -In- State School - -looking more and more might land there. - -Damm bet Kentucky is HOT

If it ain't us, I want it to be Clemson.

Looks like that's what is going to happen - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 With all the twists and turns in the Zion recruitment I'll believe it when he arrives on a campus to play ball, lol.

BShark said:

@jayballer54 With all the twists and turns in the Zion recruitment I'll believe it when he arrives on a campus to play ball, lol.

Yay we get Grimes today and then in the spring land Romeo - how sweet would that be? - -Do you ever remember this big of class in the early signing within the last 10-12 years? ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Of note: 247 has changed the interest levels for Grimes on his profile. KU now the only one at "warmer".

@BShark Might just have to go to the Texas basketball forum - -see what they are saying. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

jayballer54 said:

@BShark Might just have to go to the Texas basketball forum - -see what they are saying. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Crickets beside their guy saying it's ku

Looks like most of them have moved on and yeah the staff writer on 247 predicts it will be Kansas.

BShark said:

Looks like most of them have moved on and yeah the staff writer on 247 predicts it will be Kansas.

Do you know is there anyway to follow his announcement any love stream like Dotson or anything? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

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@jayballer54 https://kansas.247sports.com/Board/59455/Contents/Watch-The-Quentin-Grimes-Announcement-110547745 ↗

BShark said:

@jayballer54 https://kansas.247sports.com/Board/59455/Contents/Watch-The-Quentin-Grimes-Announcement-110547745 ↗

THANKS BUD. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

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Shaka knows...

LOL. Slater literally replied to that tweet with #GrimesFallout. I'm dying.

@BShark @KUSTEVE @BeddieKU23 @jayballer54 Almost time my friends...

@RockkChalkk This coach will just NOT SHUT UP.

RockkChalkk said:

@BShark @KUSTEVE @BeddieKU23 @jayballer54 Almost time my friends...

Let's do this - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 I'm not seeing anything yet but a table anyone else?

Maybe his car broke down. snark

jayballer54 said:

@jayballer54 I'm not seeing anything yet but a table anyone else?

Right now the coach is STILL RAMBLING.

low battery on the stream???? lmao its going to cut out.

RockkChalkk said:

low battery on the stream???? lmao its going to cut out.

Someone needs to tell the coach to STFU so we can actually see Grimes announce.

@BShark ok phew, they hooked up the power and fixed it, i thought it was going to cut out right before the announcement.

Lol :joy: :joy: :joy:

approxinfinity said:

Lol :joy: :joy: :joy:

Didn't think this could be worse than the Dotson stream but heeeere we are.

i may have underestimated how many beers i would need during this announcement

low battery flashing again, omg

RockkChalkk said:

i may have underestimated how many beers i would need during this announcement

Lol. So true man.

Ok!

Kind of cool he’s doing it at a meet the team event.

FarmerJayhawk said:

Kind of cool he’s doing it at a meet the team event.

If I had known though, I would have waited, lol.

WOOHOOOOOO

ROCK CHALK BOYS

Crown jewel!!!!!!!

Rock chalk!

Rock chalk everyone. Huge addition

Another quality young man in the fold! I'm psyched!!!

Sounds like he really has a good head on his shoulders

Think we have a few more fans!

So about that #1 recruiting class

They had the rock chalk chant down. GOD BLESS MOMMA GRIMES.

Sure beats biting our fingernails through March, huh?

hawkmoon2020 said:

Sure beats biting our fingernails through March, huh?

PHOF!

Now let's get billy back and it's a great week!

Thread renamed.

BShark said:

Thread renamed.

Self earning his pennies this year

@BeddieKU23 Snacks too.

But man, those UK donks were just sure it was super close with UK. Turn's out @jayballer54 gut feeling knew more than those clowns.

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I love Devon. You know in a completely normal way.

"The coaches were very consistent in recruiting me," said Grimes. "Coach Self and Coach Howard would come down here every week they could to see me, and they made it clear that they wanted me to go there," added Grimes.

PUTTING IN THE WORK.

His mom is from my neck of the woods. Knew she wouldn’t let all us Jayhawks down!

@Crimsonorblue22 and Silvio!!

I think he signed as well, showed him signing something on the table.

RockkChalkk said:

I think he signed as well, showed him signing something on the table.

Yep. That was the plan. NLI should be in soon.

Grimes apparently called KU and Texas coaches this last week to help make his decision.

KU is now #1 in Scout and #2 in Rivals.

Grimes also cited his relationships, not only with Self, but also Kansas assistant Jerrance Howard, who was his lead recruiter.

"He’s real with you no matter what, tells you the truth, great guy to play for just seeing him at practice like how he gets on his best players," Grimes said about Self. "He doesn’t let anything slide by him and like I said just playing for a Hall of Fame coach knowing he coached players like me that are big guards like Deron Williams in the past and guards like Mario Chalmers and seeing how he let them have their freedom is what I really like about him."

"Coach Howard, I really liked how coach Howard let me have my space and wasn’t overbearing me with phone calls except over the last couple of weeks because they got kind of nervous," Grimes said. "But me and Coach Howard have a good relationship, he’s really easy to relate to and he gave me a lot of space but the last couple of weeks they started calling me almost everyday but it was good though."

Snacks gonna need a raise fam.

"I see myself fitting in great playing with multiple guards out there and me being the lead guard that they want me to be and do my thing," he said. "I'll have a lot of offensive freedom, playing the one on the ball and off the ball, posting up and really just have a blast out there playing for Kansas."

Grimes joins a loaded recruiting class that also includes five-star point guard Devon Dotson and top 50 prospects Silvio De Sousa and David McCormack.

"I feel like everyone will complement each other well on the court," Grimes said. "Devon will complement me terrifically on the ball. He’s a good point guard and can get to the basket and he can definitely find me because he’s a good point guard and I’m more of a scoring guard to play on and off the ball. David is a beast on the boards. Silvio is a freak athletically so I think we will definitely be the number one recruiting class for sure."

RockkChalkk said:

I think he signed as well, showed him signing something on the table.

Ya he signed his LOI - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Like clockwork, UK's 247 writer getting defensive over Grimes picking KU. Of course it was only because they landed KJ and Herro. It's not like Grimes cut them first. Nope. Definitely not that.

JAYHAWK NATION: - -SAY IT WITH ME : - -Dotson - - -De-sousa- - -McCormack - - Grimes - - De-sousa - - -McCormack- - Grimes- - -Dotson- - -McCormack- - - Grimes- - -Dotson- - -De-sousa - - -Grimes- --Dotson- - - De-Sousa - - McCormack - -OH ya - -you all see what I did there lmao - - -Welcome to Jayhawk Nation - - Can you hear us now lmao - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

BShark said:

Like clockwork, UK's 247 writer getting defensive over Grimes picking KU. Of course it was only because they landed KJ and Herro. It's not like Grimes cut them first. Nope. Definitely not that.

This is what have to say about that - - - they better worry about losing Williamson to Clemson - -They lost Barrett - They gonna lose Williamson, Lost Bagley - -oh dstop stop it hurts so bad my ribs hurt so bad laughing my ass off. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 Don't forget Bol Bol likely to pop for Oregon. But I'm sure Cal didn't want him right? lol

And I mean UK will have a great back court next year but their writers can bite me.

@jayballer54 haven't looked but I bet rupp rafters is in meltdown mode

BShark said:

@jayballer54 Don't forget Bol Bol likely to pop for Oregon. But I'm sure Cal didn't want him right? lol

Ya right lol- - - -Cal missed on a few for sure - ahh damn probably toss and turn all night lol. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

NLI is in

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Now we just need zion to hold his preference for zion/quentin package deal. Mmm...only 2 games in and I'm ready for next year to start with this class, Lawson boys, and whoever else stays.

Woohooooo. Just heard. Great class coming in but can't wait to see what this one does.

6'5" guard who can rebound and score and dish? Sounds like a bright future. Self aint leaving anytime soon with this class coming in. 2019-20 national champs. Book it!

wissox said:

6'5" guard who can rebound and score and dish? Sounds like a bright future. Self aint leaving anytime soon with this class coming in. 2019-20 national champs. Book it!

Might be the best guard we've had under Self. I count Josh as a wing.

Some quotes from Bedore

I spoke with Quentin Grimes and his parents who are very nice: "The whole staff came down here a couple times. Coach Self and coach Howard (Jerrance) wanted to make sure I knew I was top priority at guard."

Grimes added: "Coach Self let me know how much responsibility I’d have as a freshman, go in there and try to lead the team to another Big 12 championship and hopefully another national championship.”

@BShark Man O Man O Man.. :boom: :basketball_player_tone5: :boom:

HA, a jeopardy question - -ok Alex I'll take Ku for 60.00 - -Ok - -your question for 60 is - -When is the last time KU had an early signing period such as the class coming in? - - Anyone wanna answer Alex lmao - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Is it just me or does HOF attached to Coach Self boost his recruiting numbers? Maybe landing 4 top recruits early will be the new norm?

@Statmachine All I know is, sure makes the winter period go a lot smooth to know we aren't having to scramble for recruits come spring - breathe a lot easier. - Now all we need to do is -get this Preston thing cleared up ASAP and then get De- Sousa here and we be good to go. - -what a week man - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 2013. That early haul was insane. Greene, Frankamp, Mason, Selden, and Embiid.

FarmerJayhawk said:

@jayballer54 2013. That early haul was insane. Greene, Frankamp, Mason, Selden, and Embiid.

Well this is rivaling that class for sure. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

That class is funny. Mason was rated much lower than Frankamp and Greene. Only 247 really thought Frank was good.

Some one fill me in on the John Philip De Sousa thing. I've been quite busy and haven't been able to keep up.

wissox said:

Some one fill me in on the John Philip De Sousa thing. I've been quite busy and haven't been able to keep up.

He’s reclassifying to write a new fight song. Or something.

I was messing around with lineups on a study break and came up with this depth chart as the one I think is most likely. Have fun America. And I didn’t forget Lightfoot. I just think he should RS if he’s the 6th big.

G: Dotson, Moore
G: Grimes, Garrett, Moore
G: Langford/Vick, Garrett, Cunliffe, Lawson
F: Lawson, De Sousa, Lawson
C: Azubuike, McCormack, De Sousa

Well. I'm not thrilled about the way Kansas played on Tuesday. But, Kansas won, Kentucky lost, and Quentin Grimes is Lawrence bound. It's been a good week all in all.

@FarmerJayhawk I doubt Dok stays but if he does, an undefeated season is a possibility. I mean him and Dedric Lawson together? Plus de soousa and McCormack in the post with all the guard talent? That's a monster team and who knows Vick or Malik could stay or we land Langford. Next year could be historically special.

BShark said:

Like clockwork, UK's 247 writer getting defensive over Grimes picking KU. Of course it was only because they landed KJ and Herro. It's not like Grimes cut them first. Nope. Definitely not that.

ingrained in their delusional world

@Statmachine I think the big difference is that this recruiting class can see "immediate and substantial playing time" available with all of the anticipated departures.

Self compared him favourably to Deron Williams in the release. Easy to forget how good DWill was if you don't follow the NBA but daaaaamn.

Also some quotes from Jerry

Of Grimes, Meyer said the guard is “very strong with the basketball, “gets where he needs to be” with “very good court vision” and has the capacity to be a three-level scorer — “I think he’s an extremely complete player,” he said.

Meyer has a feeling Grimes is “underrated” and is interested to see where he ends up in his outlet’s final rankings.

“You can make a strong argument that he’s the top guard in the class,” Meyer said. “Now, I say that, but there’s not much separation amongst about 12 guards in this class.”

This year’s crop of guards is “really, really good at the top,” Meyer said, but Grimes has separated himself with his best-in-class physicality. Meyer is also confident Grimes can play three positions — shooting guard, small forward and, yes, point guard.

“Grimes to me is as true a point guard as any point guard,” Meyer said. “Don’t penalize him because he’s big and strong and he’s 6-4 and he also can score. Those are the guys I want. I want a true combo guard. That fits the modern game of basketball.”

I like how genuinely happy he looked during his announcement. Great job by the staff this year identifying targets and I still think KU could have pulled Ayo and Carey if the need had been there.

For anyone wondering, we paid Grimes according to UT fans. They didn't pay Bamba tho.

@jayballer54 :joy:

BShark said:

For anyone wondering, we paid Grimes according to UT fans. They didn't pay Bamba tho.

@jayballer54 :joy:

I hope it was a ton of money! Wow people are funny these days.

Zion had 45/15 in his season opener. The rest of his team had 17 pts and they lost by 8 pts to a team with several high-level prospects.

Zion said he played bad: "My team didn't get the win, it's a bad performance for me."

No comments on recruiting. I had wondered if he would say something about QG. USC's (SC) coaches all attended.

@Hawk8086 You could be right? I have my own thoughts on KU landing recruits early. Is anyone else wondering why UK is having a down recruiting year so far? Could it be that the shoe companies are laying low and the funds have dried up temporarily? If I were a top 25 recruit in the nation and I had been offered money to attend ANY school in the country I would not go to that school EVER! I would fear that others had taken the cash and the school would be given the death penalty at some point. I wouldn't want to be investigated by the FBI or have my name attached to ANY of the negative publicity surrounding the school. The FBI has had a ripple effect on the recruiting scene and in my opinion UK and its recruits are laying low. How else would Coach Cal already know he is not going to sign a big this year? He knows who is coming already but they are all laying low and hoping this all blows over. I bet he has "bleached" his email and took a hammer to his phones!

Okay enough about that. On to Coach Self and his new recruiting approach. We have all heard recruits recently stating that Coach Self has told them they will come in and be impact players as freshmen. He is now also a HOF coach! PT has opened up "supposedly"? Is this the perfect storm or can we expect the same for years to come? Have the shoe gods finally answered our prayers? Next year is NCAA championship or BUTS!

Svi, Vick, Graham, and Preston are for sure gone.

Newman-If Newman doesn't show up on any mock draft boards he will test the NBA waters but come back.

Udoka-copy paste Newman. They both need to develop another year at KU.

Garrett-Stud! This kid has all the tools in the shed. Just needs some polish and he will be a huge asset next year!

KJ Lawson-Coach Self said this summer he was more impressed with KJ than any other player on the roster. He averaged 12 points 8 boards and will be a rs JR. He would have been a SR next year fellas! He is going to start!

Dedric Lawson-Possibly NPOY honors? Need I say more?

I now everyone's BIG on our recruiting class but if we return the 5 guys I have listed Our freshmen are not going to start! We would still have our "glue guys" WHO have started or would start at most D1 schools Moore, Cunliffe, and Lightfoot.

If all of this shakes out we will have the perfect balance of experience and talent on the court next year and should be favored to win it all next year! Even if Newman leaves I think we are in a good position with Langford and even if we don't land him Plug in either freshman stud and we are still in good shape!

What a Luxury to have and if we could just get Preston and De Sousa on the court this year we could go deep in to March or early April! Good time to be a KU fan!

@Statmachine UK literally just closed two stud recruits in the last week. They are fine.

I disagree with a lot of that. I don't think KJ or Moore will start.

Lightfoot and Cunliffe would not start anywhere good...

Preston hasn't even played in a real game and he's gone. While I agree, its just funny.

@BShark They might be fine BUT when you have to replace your whole roster each and every year with OAD's he HAS to sign more talent to keep his OAD farm from going under! Herro was a last ditch effort when they knew they were out on Grimes! They have 4 guys on next years Mock Draft. They need 2 more guys that can step in and play starting minutes. Not to mention they are losing 3 guys listed 6'8" or taller and Cal said they probably wouldn't sign a BIG this year! I am just pointing out that UK is usually sitting pretty this time of year but its not a normal year for UK.

@BShark KJ will start and I never said Moore would start next year but He would start at other D1 schools.

Not starting kids you said will start is a good way to burn bridges in recruiting.

Statmachine said:

@BShark They might be fine BUT when you have to replace your whole roster each and every year with OAD's he HAS to sign more talent to keep his OAD farm from going under! Herro was a last ditch effort when they knew they were out on Grimes! They have 4 guys on next years Mock Draft. They need 2 more guys that can step in and play starting minutes. Not to mention they are losing 3 guys listed 6'8" or taller and Cal said they probably wouldn't sign a BIG this year! I am just pointing out that UK is usually sitting pretty this time of year but its not a normal year for UK.

Yeah, agree about Herro. He's a good player though.

Their back court will be stacked next year and I'm sure they will have some post players back plus at least 1 signing.

Statmachine said:

@BShark KJ will start and I never said Moore would start next year but He would start at other D1 schools.

Where do you think KJ starts? KJ is not skilled enough to play the 3 the way KU has been trending. I think he is a back-up 4 man, a very good one though.

Imo...

Dotson, Grimes, Garrett (or Vick if he is back), Dedric, SDS (or Doke if he is back).

You are the first I've seen that has even insinuated a non-zero chance that Newman could return so I wonder where you got your info. Literally everyone else is saying it doesn't matter if he would go undrafted.

@BShark I'm in the camp of those that think there is a non-zero chance. I recall Brandon Rush being a no doubt, for sure OAD. I'd say a 20% chance Newman is back. I also thought there was a 20% (or so) chance that Newman would turn pro after his redshirt year. You just never know. It's worth some consideration, just not a lot -- no doubt he's highly, highly likely to be gone.

But he doesn't look like a pro to me.

HighEliteMajor said:

@BShark I'm in the camp of those that think there is a non-zero chance. I recall Brandon Rush being a no doubt, for sure OAD. I'd say a 20% chance Newman is back. I also thought there was a 20% (or so) chance that Newman would turn pro after his redshirt year. You just never know. It's worth some consideration, just not a lot -- no doubt he's highly, highly likely to be gone.

But he doesn't look like a pro to me.

I actually very much agree with your last sentence there. He does not look like an NBA player. Newman and his dad did promise Self a year of playing. Obviously promises can be broken but the optics there would have been terrible for them.

I'd rather have Vick back than Newman.

I'll take both of them coming back but that seems unlikely given that we signed 2 five star guards for next season. Someone(s) are movin on up'

@Statmachine Well, I do know or should say I've read that Bol , Bol was pretty turned off or his mom was when he got cut from the team Cal was Coaching and that kind of had a long term effect with him. - -Looks like Bol ends up more then likely at Oregon. - -I guess I'm nuts but the more I watch Bol I' just think he is over rated we shall see, But I don't see him as the 3rd best player in the Nation. - -Sure he dominated in High School but let's see how he does against other quality well put together Big's - and experienced other Big's at the College level.

UK fans thought for sure & actually I thought so to that Zion was for sure their's - -I thought Zion had/still has Kentucky written all over him BUT it's looking like Clemson - -ya Clemson just might end up landing him. - -Me Myself I think that's a mistake.- -I can't stand Kentucky , but if he really wants the exposure - - -a legit chance in the NCAA tourney - -you tell me who has the better chance Clemson OR Kentucky? - -at UK have a chance to be surrounded by better talent - -BUT I think staying in state being closer to family playing a huge part in his decision -So those are the two that I know for sure off and my thoughts as to why they missing out on the big this year. - Probably totally off base but hey you know lol. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 Strong agree on Bol Bol. He is skilled but zero chance he is "unpacking his bags" for college. Give me multiple year bigs that give great effort and are also skilled like KU got with Silvio and Big Dave. I'm a bit higher on Silvio but I would expect solid contributions from Dave in year 2 while really blossoming year 3 and 4.

I don't agree that it matters where Zion goes to school. If he wants to go to Clemson and that makes him and his family happy he should do that. Honestly he SHOULD be in the NBA next year but the rules don't allow it. Also if it isn't KU I sure hope he does to to Clemson, UK has enough damn talent already.

@BShark

He starts at KU!

@Statmachine Ok, sure.

Counterpoint: his advanced stats sucked. Also he shot 32% from three.

Please tell me who you think he starts over and what his position is.

@BShark Ya I agree with you that if HE wants to go to Clemson then he should. - -BUT I'm hearing it's more his daddy Zion that wants this, and with that - -I think that's wrong. - Like you said if that's what Zion wants great, BUT it's Zion's future - -he should do what HE wants more then what daddy wants. I understand his dad or step ad whatever went to Clemson - and I understand that trying to please the parents plays a role in a lot of these kids decision but , in the end run at the end of the day - -It should be totally 100% Zion's decision it's his future not daddys.

Your right Zion shouldn't even be in College next year BUT - having said that, the more I think about it and have heard I think if KU had a decision between the two I would STILL take Romeo, just think he is more of that COMPLETE player - don't get me wrong I would take Zion in a heartbeat would be one of those cases for me if I were the Coach in a case with them it would be whoever committed first -for sure a win win. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Also @Statmachine I don't think we are that far off. I think KJ is first off the bench at the 4 and will contribute.

http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/tale-tait/2017/nov/16/how-a-phone-call-played-a-key-role-in-qu/ ↗

D WILL!!!

@BShark KJ will have been at a D1 school for 3 years going into is 4th by the time next year starts. I think he starts over any Freshman due to conditioning and experience UNLESS KU lands Zion period.

If Zion goes to Clemson its more about the role he gets to have and following the model that Fultz and Simmons have made going to non-elite schools for a year. You don't have to go to Kentucky, KU, or UNC to be considering a top draft pick anymore.

And then we should hear Kentucky fans saying we didn't want him anyway.

Statmachine said:

@BShark KJ will have been at a D1 school for 3 years going into is 4th by the time next year starts. I think he starts over any Freshman due to conditioning and experience UNLESS KU lands Zion period.

Ah this is where we differ I don't think he is competing with a FR for playing time. I think he is competing with Dedric because KJ is a 4 at KU and higher level D1 ball in general with his skill set. Could be that Dedric and KJ start in the post together and Silvio comes off the bench.

Also it's great to be able to even have these discussions. Real options! So nice...

@BShark Yes, next year no matter how things shake out we will have the best roster on paper IMO...

Agree. We are looking at possibly the best guard Self has had at KU (Grimes) and the most skilled true 4 man (Dedric). I also think Silvio's potential is through the roof.

Next years team will have an identity problem. Who leads next years team? So many new faces. Some have exp some talent but mostly new faces! Who will lead and what does KU look like next year?

Statmachine said:

Next years team will have an identity problem. Who leads next years team? So many new faces. Some have exp some talent but mostly new faces! Who will lead and what does KU look like next year?

I think Dedric and Grimes will be the primary offensive players (guys you feed the ball and run plays for) but certainly it is up for debate. No doubt with KU replacing so many players it will take time to gel. By the end of the year, the team should be excellent though.

Also there could be some variance depending on who stays.

@BShark How would it be any different with KJ & Dedric playing at KU then at when they played at Memphis? - - they played at the same time on the floor a lot while at Memphis - why then couldn't that be the case here at KU? - - I don't think KJ would be competing against Dedric here. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

jayballer54 said:

@BShark How would it be any different with KJ & Dedric playing at KU then at when they played at Memphis? - - they played at the same time on the floor a lot while at Memphis - why then couldn't that be the case here at KU? - - I don't think KJ would be competing against Dedric here. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Did you see the roster around them at Memphis? Much more skill surrounding them at KU.

Also if you look at Memphis their last year, it seems Tubby alternated playing big and small. KJ, Dedric, Crawford and Martin always started. However there was a split between Jimario Rivers (a guard) and Chad Rykhoek (a 6' 11' post player). It looks like at the end of the year they were leaning towards playing small, with KJ at the 4. Do we suddenly think that moving up a level in competition, that KJ is going to play a MORE skill oriented position more of the time? I certainly do not think so.

To be clear they can absolutely play on the floor together but in these scenarios imo Dedric will be playing center and KJ the 4.

We always seem to think guys can play a position up (Marcus and Perry at the three anyone?) but then it never happens in real, high leverage situations and rarely at all in general.

That's why Vick or Doke is important from a leadership standpoint next season. Maybe Vick more because he would be a senior and he'll have the ball in his hands a lot more then Doke does. Either one of them is really important. Otherwise we are looking at KU's version of a Duke/UK overhaul.

BShark said:

To be clear they can absolutely play on the floor together but in these scenarios imo Dedric will be playing center and KJ the 4.

We always seem to think guys can play a position up (Marcus and Perry at the three anyone?) but then it never happens in real, high leverage situations and rarely at all in general.

Bingo. I see KJ as a small ball 4, basically a better rebounding and offensive talent then Lightfoot. His chemistry with his brother could be important to put out on the floor with Dedric though. He's also known as being a good defender and passer (things we saw in Italy) for example.

I know months have passed and the excitment of our freshman are still on our minds but KJ can play and if he finds a consistent perimeter shot he's going to be a big part of the rotation

What are we thinking the odds are that Dok comes back?

Putting these direct quotes out there for anyone that didn't see the article I linked to earlier.

“He had Deron Williams call me probably two, three weeks ago, and he just explained to me how much he loves Coach Self and how I would fit in great with their program,” Grimes said. “It was kind of a wow moment because I got to pick his brain a little bit, ask him a few questions about Coach Self and also about non-Kansas stuff like the NBA and find out what you have to do to get your gam ready for that next level.”

As for what he asked Williams about Self specifically, Grimes said he just appreciated the opportunity to run KU's recruiting pitch by someone who had been in his shoes before to see if the pitch and actually playing for him matched up.

It sounds like it did.

“I asked him a lot,” Grimes said of his phone conversation with Williams. “How is Coach Self on the court, off the court, if he really lets you play your game. And he kept it real with me the whole time so that was kind of another big factor that went into my decision.”

A few thoughts...

Based on the two games to date we cannot say for sure which player will go and who will stay, just not enough of a sample to make a statement of any sort.

As far a KJ, we don't know for sure how good he is or will be by next season with one year of practice under KU coaching and being conditioned by Hudy.

Kentucky is doing juts fine recruiting, #3 in Rivals and #4 in Scout. If they sign Zion likely they move to the top unless KU signs one more quality player like Langford.

HawkChamp said:

What are we thinking the odds are that Dok comes back?

I think they are slim if I was looking at this from his point of view.

Self stressed that he wouldn't leave without a 1st round guarantee. Right now he's no where near the 2nd round on mocks so it would seem he would be back right?

An extra year would do wonders for him, He'd have another 30+ games under his belt, another year to work on footwork, post moves, FT shooting etc. He'd only be 19 going to the NBA after next season.

@BShark

That's big using a former player.. Smart move.

JayHawkFanToo said:

As far a KJ, we don't know for sure how good he is or will be by next season with one year of practice under KU coaching and being conditioned by Hudy.

Kentucky is doing juts fine recruiting, #3 in Rivals and #4 in Scout. If they sign Zion likely they move to the top unless KU signs one more quality player like Langford.

I think KJ will be pretty good, KU just has a stacked roster.

As for Zion, the Clemson smoke is hooooooooooot and heavy right now. Seems like he might actually pop for Clemson soon.

If I had to pick, I would definitely choose Zion. To me, he is almost a clone of Julius Randle - tall, powerful and fast. Randle was the main reason for their title game appearance, imo. He was almost impossible to stop and I see Zion being the same way. If we had landed Randle in 2013, i think that definitely would have been a final four year.

BeddieKU23 said:

HawkChamp said:

What are we thinking the odds are that Dok comes back?

I think they are slim if I was looking at this from his point of view.

Self stressed that he wouldn't leave without a 1st round guarantee. Right now he's no where near the 2nd round on mocks so it would seem he would be back right?

An extra year would do wonders for him, He'd have another 30+ games under his belt, another year to work on footwork, post moves, FT shooting etc. He'd only be 19 going to the NBA after next season.

Slim that he comes back? The rest of the post doesn't seem to match up with that.

@BShark he needs more polishing to have a long nba career.

HawkChamp said:

If I had to pick, I would definitely choose Zion. To me, he is almost a clone of Julius Randle - tall, powerful and fast. Randle was the main reason for their title game appearance, imo. He was almost impossible to stop and I see Zion being the same way. If we had landed Randle in 2013, i think that definitely would have been a final four year.

Looks like he is going to be taking the Simmons/Fultz path.

@BShark it ain't over til it's over. No one thought Wiggins was coming here but he did.

@BeddieKU23

Doke is right now pretty much an unknown since he did not play most of last season. As the season progresses he will show up in the NBA radar and his stock will go up if nothing else based on his size and potential.

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

HawkChamp said:

What are we thinking the odds are that Dok comes back?

I think they are slim if I was looking at this from his point of view.

Self stressed that he wouldn't leave without a 1st round guarantee. Right now he's no where near the 2nd round on mocks so it would seem he would be back right?

An extra year would do wonders for him, He'd have another 30+ games under his belt, another year to work on footwork, post moves, FT shooting etc. He'd only be 19 going to the NBA after next season.

Slim that he comes back? The rest of the post doesn't seem to match up with that.

Yeah I don't think Doke is looking at this the way we are. Maybe I'm wrong but I do think he wants to go after the year. Whether his injury from last year or how the season plays out changes that is TBD. Hopefully by season's end we'll have a clearer picture of what the scouts think of him.

HawkChamp said:

What are we thinking the odds are that Dok comes back?

Well I really don't count for anything but If you were to ask me now, compared to say 3-4 months ago now I'm swaying more.

Here is my thoughts may not amount to squat but anyways, I'm getting more of a feeling there could be that chance Doke could return, before I thought for sure no matter what he was gone.

The reason for me thinking that is as I've said before - -still really raw, he just has to develop and or work on some kind of a shot other then dunk - I mean sure he could be drafted off his size alone always a place for a man of that size - -BUT if he doesn't have some kind of shot going to be really hard for him . - -Plus I'm just not really convinced because it seems the NBA is kind of trending away from that true Big man, seems to be going with more of smaller quicker line up - the days of the old big I think is setting in the sunset. Really fast pace - Doke has to get that conditioning down, If I had to make a solid prediction right now. -I'd probably still lean a little more that he is gone, but just think there is more of a chance of a return then I thought before because of why I mentioned. ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

BeddieKU23 said:

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

HawkChamp said:

What are we thinking the odds are that Dok comes back?

I think they are slim if I was looking at this from his point of view.

Self stressed that he wouldn't leave without a 1st round guarantee. Right now he's no where near the 2nd round on mocks so it would seem he would be back right?

An extra year would do wonders for him, He'd have another 30+ games under his belt, another year to work on footwork, post moves, FT shooting etc. He'd only be 19 going to the NBA after next season.

Slim that he comes back? The rest of the post doesn't seem to match up with that.

Yeah I don't think Doke is looking at this the way we are. Maybe I'm wrong but I do think he wants to go after the year. Whether his injury from last year or how the season plays out changes that is TBD. Hopefully by season's end we'll have a clearer picture of what the scouts think of him.

Ok that's what I thought you meant but I wanted to be sure. Of course being an African kid we know he has "handlers" and likely those guys want him in the league.

For now I tend to believe Self that he could stay if he won't be a first rounder. I like that Self said that directly.

@BShark I Think so - - my famous gut feeling lmao. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@justanotherfan @BeddieKU23 et al something to keep in mind is Doke plays a dying position. I think he needs to show more based on what I'm hearing/reading but we will see. Great thing is KU will be fine either way.

@HawkChamp OH good another Randle - that means when he went on to the NBA it could be another one for JO JO to dominate like he did Randle - that's a lot of what the talk about was from the game how Randle had no chance against JO JO - I'm just messing with ya about another Randle but that would make JO JO's eyes light up for sure lol. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

BShark said:

@justanotherfan @BeddieKU23 et al something to keep in mind is Doke plays a dying position. I think he needs to show more based on what I'm hearing/reading but we will see. Great thing is KU will be fine either way.

Embiid phoned and said...WHAT?

Just kidding, I agree with you, the trend is towards big mobile stretch 4s.

Embiid is AMAZING.

from marquette's mod.

"This was an interesting recruitment..

I think it came down to Kan and Texas....but at one time, MU led barely.

I thought MU had the opportunity for him to be showcased...and play the PG....

The family was key...I heard that mom really liked Wojo...but then she also attended Kansas.

I heard from Kansas people in Aug...that MU had a great shot because the dad really likes Wojo. That worried Kansas...

MU recruited Grimes hard...and gave it 100%....sending multiple coaches down to visit...which forced Self to do the same...

Then you hear that the father always wanted him to go to Kansas....who knows?"

What's missing? no where does it say what Quentin wanted. What school Quentin liked. Obviously if a kid is considering your school and officially visits he likes you in some way. Always interesting to see the parents comments to schools but in the end its the kids choice. Just ask Keldon Johnson's father.

BShark said:

@justanotherfan @BeddieKU23 et al something to keep in mind is Doke plays a dying position. I think he needs to show more based on what I'm hearing/reading but we will see. Great thing is KU will be fine either way.

Good point. Absolutely agree. At this point in my opinion it would be a big mistake for him to leave. He's much improved but we know there's so much more he can learn and get better at before jumping. Age is never going to be a factor with this kid so unlike other players his best basketball should still be years down the road.

http://www.yourconroenews.com/neighborhood/moco/sports/article/BOYS-HOOPS-College-Park-star-guard-Quentin-12361212.php ↗

A couple thoughts here. As of today, Doke will be back. He's not really on draft radars as of yet. People forget he's just 18 and a couple months old. He has to show continued development on both ends, especially rebounding. He'll have to get much better there to be an impact NBA center. Vick is the only guy we have that's really caught the eye of scouts. They love his length, athleticism, and shooting ability. Just needs to refine it all and put the whole thing together. He'll have plenty of opportunity this year. Newman is gone. He's ready to get paid, whether that's in the NBA, Europe, or Australia.

KJ is a small ball 4 at KU. That's the spot where he maximizes strengths (passing, rebounding, defense) and minimizes weaknesses (shooting, handling). People are forgetting how good Dedric is. He has like 36 career double doubles already, plus gets a year with the best S&C coach in America to work on his below average athleticism. There's no reason he can't put up T-Rob type numbers next season. He's also a tremendous passer. He and Doke could run the hell out of the high low, and we can space the floor with all the guards. The real guy to watch over the next couple years is Garrett. The staff is over the moon about him, and have basically guaranteed him a starting spot next season. His development is another reason why I don't think we get Langford. I think there's actually a good chance they'd prefer starting Garrett over Romeo.

@FarmerJayhawk Dedric is a MONSTARRRRR. I will say it again he would be the best player on this year's team as well.

Also I could see that. Romeo is instant offense but the word on him is that he coasts a bit and is lazy defensively. I'd happily take him because SCORING POINTS MATTERS but yeah Garrett will likely do everything else better next year.

@BeddieKU23 My point exactly with Zion. - -Hearing Dad really wants him to stay home - -go to Clemson - like you just said though it's Zion's future - should be his decision - -whats Zion want? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 Notice all the articles on Grimes where he said his mom didn't push him to KU? Said she wanted it to be his decision and his alone.

BShark said:

@justanotherfan @BeddieKU23 et al something to keep in mind is Doke plays a dying position. I think he needs to show more based on what I'm hearing/reading but we will see. Great thing is KU will be fine either way.

Thing is bud - -IF again I - -say IF somehow - for some reason -Doke & Vick came back - -would there be enough spots available - -I'm sure coach threw at these recruits for next year that these people more chances then not would not be coming back - -especially when he is tell these guys that chances are they start. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

BShark said:

@jayballer54 Notice all the articles on Grimes where he said his mom didn't push him to KU? Said she wanted it to be his decision and his alone.

" EXACTLY " and that's the way it should be. - He is the one that needs to be happy at the College he is attending - -It's his future we are talking about here - It should be HIS decision. I fully realize that as kids we want to make are parents happy - - proud - -but at the end of the day - it's the kids life & future that's the real issue here. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

jayballer54 said:

BShark said:

@justanotherfan @BeddieKU23 et al something to keep in mind is Doke plays a dying position. I think he needs to show more based on what I'm hearing/reading but we will see. Great thing is KU will be fine either way.

Thing is bud - -IF again I - -say IF somehow - for some reason -Doke & Vick came back - -would there be enough spots available - -I'm sure coach threw at these recruits for next year that these people more chances then not would not be coming back - -especially when he is tell these guys that chances are they start. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

It will be fine. Can never have too much talent.

I posted a roster breakdown for that in another thread.

The most disappointed would likely be Big Dave but I don't think he expects to start anyway, unlike Dotson and Grimes.

jayballer54 said:

BShark said:

@jayballer54 Notice all the articles on Grimes where he said his mom didn't push him to KU? Said she wanted it to be his decision and his alone.

" EXACTLY " and that's the way it should be. - He is the one that needs to be happy at the College he is attending - -It's his future we are talking about here - It should be HIS decision. I fully realize that as kids we want to make are parents happy - - proud - -but at the end of the day - it's the kids life & future that's the real issue here. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

He was grinning ear to ear it was so great. Also he had that custom KU jersey ready. I think he had an idea for awhile, just wanted to confirm it. :joy:

@jayballer54 Except Randle isn't really a center, I think, right? He should have been dominated by Joel because he's out of position. In college he was a power forward, he's only 6'9" against a 7'2" guy.

wissox said:

@jayballer54 Except Randle isn't really a center, I think, right? He should have been dominated by Joel because he's out of position. In college he was a power forward, he's only 6'9" against a 7'2" guy.

True but not JO'S JO'S fault. - -he can only guard who he is told to guard - besides more and more position less BB anymore. - And Randle has graduated from College this is the NBA may have a power forward in College but it's called welcome to the NBA lol. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

With Grimes, it really doesn't make a huge difference what Vick's decision is. That's why landing Grimes was so important. If Vick comes back, you're thinking about a truly great team. If Vick goes, you're still really, really good.

Right now, as of this moment, KU has the following roster for next season:

Guards - Garrett, Cunliffe, Moore, Grimes, Dotson

Forwards - Lightfoot, K. Lawson, D. Lawson, De Sousa, McCormack

You can mix and match that group as much as you want.

Go small with the Lawson's, Garrett, Grimes and either Dotson or Moore.

Go Big with Garrett, Grimes, the Lawson's and McCormack or De Sousa.

Traditional lineup with Moore, Grimes, K. Lawson, De Sousa, McCormack

Everybody's basically the same size lineup of Garrett, Cunliffe, Grimes, and the Lawson's. You could switch everything with this group. I'm not sure many teams could actually match up with this group on the floor on both ends. Maybe nobody could.

And that's without Vick. And without Azuibuke. Add those guys in, probably approach Lightfoot about redshirting, and you have a legitimate 11 deep team. Look at that group again. Cunliffe is probably the guard that won't play much, but I think he's going to play solid minutes on this year's team (and do well). De Sousa is probably the least ready, but if he joins the team at semester this year, he could be much more ready to contribute as a soph.

I really find the scholarship conversation interesting. There are really four underclassmen that have been rumored to consider going to the NBA after this year.

Vick, Newman, Preston, and Dok

As KU stands now, at least one of them must go in order to have enough scholarships. (Note, this whole post assumes there is no surprise transfer). The interesting part for me is that circumstances change throughout the year and nothing is guaranteed. Prior to the season starting, all I saw was people saying it was almost a given that Dok would be gone next year. Now, just two games into the season, all I'm hearing is that its probably more likely now that he stays another year (not on any mock drafts, plays a dying position in the nba, etc.). What if more circumstances change? What if, say Preston can't play this year and NBA teams don't want to take a chance on him until he proves he has his head on straight? What if Newman has an average year, would he really prefer to be paid overseas rather than try to improve his draft stock at KU? Of course there is always the scary Brandon Rush injury thing that could happen too which forces a player into another year of college.

Its all very interesting to me. It seems that even if someone like Romeo Langford wanted to sign with KU right now, Self would probably have to wait until Spring to know for sure that the spot is available.

@RockkChalkk Desousa will use a 2017 scolorship if allowed to reclassify

Billy and Malik are going pro no matter what. They want to get paid, whether it’s in the NBA or overseas.

@justanotherfan

As far as I know, Lightfoot is studying Engineering and has no NBA aspiration so highly unlikely he redshirts.

JayHawkFanToo said:

@justanotherfan

As far as I know, Lightfoot is studying Engineering and has no NBA aspiration so highly unlikely he redshirts.

I actually think this supports the argument for the redshirt. An extra year of free college to finish your Engineering degree, not in a rush to get to the NBA/Overseas. Doing Engineering while a Div. 1 athlete is a very tough thing to do, that extra year might be very welcomed actually.

@BShark If Romeo is ALL IU, why not just commit already? He will be all IU bball. Lil Miller has already gone all out and put his cards on the recruiting table. Almost in a desperate way.
I'll tell you why. Romeo is waiting to see what Vick does. If Vick stays Romeo is IU and if Vick jumps, Romeo is a Jayhawk. Why drag this mess out. If you are Indiana Mr Basketball and you're the man, you commit. Romeo is no dummy and he sees a good thing at KU. Either way, KU will be...KU.

How many all state Mr BBall players has KU landed over the years? Can anyone name them? La Frentz, Collison, Ellis, Heinrich, Grimes(?) ... Any of our Chicago players? I hope Romeo understands this concept. I could be wrong, and the "Crystal ball" may be right, but something tells me this kid is looking hard at KU.
Some might even think that Grimes coming may discourage Romeo, but Grimes is a 1-2, 3 and Romeo is mostly a 3? We could use a solid 3.

truehawk93 said:

@BShark If Romeo is ALL IU, why not just commit already? He will be all IU bball. Lil Miller has already gone all out and put his cards on the recruiting table. Almost in a desperate way.
I'll tell you why. Romeo is waiting to see what Vick does. If Vick stays Romeo is IU and if Vick jumps, Romeo is a Jayhawk. Why drag this mess out. If you are Indiana Mr Basketball and you're the man, you commit. Romeo is no dummy and he sees a good thing at KU. Either way, KU will be...KU.

How many all state Mr BBall players has KU landed over the years? Can anyone name them? La Frentz, Collison, Ellis, Heinrich, Grimes(?) ... Any of our Chicago players? I hope Romeo understands this concept. I could be wrong, and the "Crystal ball" may be right, but something tells me this kid is looking hard at KU.
Some might even think that Grimes coming may discourage Romeo, but Grimes is a 1-2, 3 and Romeo is mostly a 3? We could use a solid 3.

I said this exact line earlier about why is he waiting. I think it might just be Vandy or KU.

Garrett won some Texas POTY awards.

@BShark You remember my gut feeling buddy? how you said you have faith in it? or starting to believe in it?

Well - - - -I think with Garland going to Vanderbilt & strong possibility looking like they may land Shittu also - -my gut feeling telling me Vandy ha become a major player - just like Texas with Grimes. Langford has talk about playing with Garland and the talk for awhile was the two at Indiana - now just switch the scenario a tad. Those three would make Vandy a pretty solid program - all I'm sayin is HEAD'S UP - -my gut is talking to me again lol - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 Romeo is close with Garland and Grimes. It's going to be a tough decision for him.

@JayHawkFanToo

@RockkChalkk beat me to it, but given his degree program and the fact that he has no pro aspirations, I think Mitch may be open to having a year where he can really focus on academics, which gives him a chance to finish his degree, play four years, have a little fun and leave school without much in the way of debt. It's certainly something that they should consider talking to him about. He can provide depth in 2019 and 2020, and it benefits him as well.

@BShark Wasn't Lightfoot POY in Arizona?

@Barney R.I.P. Arizona hoops

@Barney yes! He also said the only way he'd leave ku would be in a box-casket. I'm rooting for him!

@truehawk93

Just of the top of my head...Tyrel Reed were Kansas POY and so was Releford and Simien, Conner Teahan was Missouri Gatorade POY, Garret was Texas Gatorade POY, Carlie Moore was Illinois Gatorade POY, Lightfoot was Arizona Gatorade POY, Xavier Henry was Oklahoma Gatorade POY...several were multi-year winners.

Essentially every player at KU, including walk-ons, has been an All State or All Conference player.

@RockkChalkk @justanotherfan

Engineering students tend to be different and not typical of other student that want to stay longer in school because the job prospects are not that great. Most of the Engineering students I know, both as a student and instructor, want to finish their degree in 4 years and move into the real world; taking a couple of classes in the Summer makes it very feasible. Now, if he wants to go to graduate school I can see where he could stay an extra year.

@JayHawkFanToo DON'T FORGET PERRY

@Barney

I was listing the players not mentioned in the original post; he did mention Ellis.

BShark said:

@Barney R.I.P. Arizona hoops

You STOP THAT lol. - -Mitch tries ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@JayHawkFanToo This is going to show my age some but what the hell. I think David Magley was Mr Basketball from his state too right? - Just can't remember which State. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Ellis was the Gatorade national player of the year, wasn't he?

jayballer54 said:

BShark said:

@Barney R.I.P. Arizona hoops

You STOP THAT lol. - -Mitch tries ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Mitch seems like a great kid, but you know what I mean! :p

BShark said:

jayballer54 said:

BShark said:

@Barney R.I.P. Arizona hoops

You STOP THAT lol. - -Mitch tries ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Mitch seems like a great kid, but you know what I mean! :p
Ya I know guy - I have a soft spot for the kid - but I know and your right - he really tries though you couldn't ask for anything more. - You won't see him transfer though. - To many of his friends says he is to much in love with Ku. - -He needs a redshirt, Ku frontline going to be solid next year. Plus with De-souse coming early opens another schlorship yet for next year, cause this will go on the 2017 class. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Anyone else watching this Puerto Rico Tourney? - -Mercy I watched this yesterday with Iowa State - said then wasn't sure who was worse - -Iowa State or the play be play guy? - Well Same play by play guy today -- I think he wins.

Been Calling Western Michigan - - -West Virginia Mountaineers most the game - When they are Western Michigan Bronco's - -mercy mercy mercy. - -The female color commentator keeps saying Western Michigan trying to get him to understand lmao - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Kentucky down 18-8 under 12 minutes to go in the 1st half at Rupp to East Tennesse St- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54

The scoreboard at the KU Athletics site had Tennessee as Fort Hays the entire game... :smiley:

@BShark Awesome and even the Rock Chalk chant by the College Park students, and supporters.

Let's get at least one more.

Lightfoot was an exceptional HS player. Anyone with the ability to play any time at KU as a freshman was undoubtedly an exceptional HS player. That does not ensure that a player will be a college star. There are several recent Kansas POY that are barely playing at all at the D1 level. That doesn't happen as often in the larger states, but in a state like Kansas or Arizona where there may only be a dozen or so legitimate D1 hoops prospects, there can be years where the top player is not a surefire D1 starter.

Mitch Ballock was the top player in Kansas last year. He's getting 20 minutes a game for a solid Creighton team this year. For most POY, that's a great outcome. Sure, some will be stars in college or even make it to the NBA, but most will play in college a bit, then go on to a different career.

@justanotherfan And he is only a sophomore. Some require more development than others. Being thrown into the mix prematurely because of injuries is not really the same thing and can actually work against some players because it changes what role they are practicing to fill. Being undersized at the 4/5 with no other big playing inside is not Mitch's fault!

@mayjay

Lightfoot has the build of a SF, the attitude of a PF and has been forced into playing Center, not the ideal conditions to perform consistently well. He seems to have a decent outside shot and would be interesting to see him play SF but KU has plenty of capable players at that position and is extremely thin inside.

Lightfoot has shown an improved jumper. We can only hope the rest of his game continues to improve as well.

The biggest weakness he has right now is fouling. He's subbing for Doke for rest/foul trouble and compounding the issue as soon as he gets in. Either he's going to have to start being less aggressive with his block attempts or we'll be stuck playing Clay Young again and again

@BeddieKU23 "Young"=Secret Weapon

mayjay said:

@BeddieKU23 "Young"=Secret Weapon

So far the most poised walk on we've had in years. I'm sure he's loving Preston's antics