Agree I think he visited out of respect for the coaches recruiting him and seeing what his friend signed himself up for. Maryland might have won out had they put the same efforts early like KU did. Kudos to the staff for identifying him early and following through.
BeddieKU23
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I tell ya a day later this one ranks right up with getting Josh Jackson and Andrew Wiggins. Just has that feel to it
In regards to Jeff talking about playing time I mean what 5 start PG wants to play behind an established PG already in the program who isn't a threat for the NBA right now. It's kind of what happened to KU in the last 2 cycles. Maryland didn't fit his plan and he went somewhere else. The saltiness is expected but there Mod is a complete troll
I'm glad I don't have to go back to that board its really bad how people attack Dotson and his family for not picking them. I know it happens everywhere but its sad to see. We never went to those lengths here about Trae Young or Ayton.. Jeez
just awesome sauce
Dotson will push and make Moore better I have no doubts about this
obviously we want Grimes too but going to battle with Dotson and Moore is a nice combo to have in the fold.
Imagine the pitch we have to sell Zion now
Andrew Slater really does know his stuff
BShark said:
NEW THREAD NAME
love it, we knew all along
Huge upps to Bill Self here.
DOTSON IS A JAYHAWK!!!!!
THIS IS A VERY GOOD DAY!!!!
ROCK CHALK
BILL SELF IS GETTING A XMAS CARD!!!!!
BOOOOOYAHHHH
No I don't view Dotson as the John Wall Derrick Rose type that has gone to Kentucky. He's more like Juwan Evans IMO who stayed 2 years and was ranked similarly
JayHawkFanToo said:
IMHO, a very good upper class man will generally be better/more productive than a OAD...with a few exceptions, of course.
I don't think Dotson is a OAD at this point. I expect at least 2 yrs, maybe 3. He's not a finished prospect yet especially without the elite measureables
the draw for Maryland has a lot to do with his friend committed to the terps
Good points. Realistically I don't think a freshman PG or Charlie is the answer that best fits what Self wants. Unless Marcus has some PG skill that he gets to show this season we don't have what I would call the type of player KU needs for next year. I'm in no way dogging Charlie, I'm just holding my opinion that he's going to be better after the year off, and a year in the rotation. Not all transfers are immediately ready to lead a program such as Kansas
Sorry I just have this strong opinion of Dotson. Not only will he help us win but this is a big win for Self as far as recruiting the position in the future. We have been extremely blessed to get Mason and Graham and develop them into what they are. You only strike gold so much with those and its time KU was known for getting good players at all 5 positions instead of being known for wings and bigs.
We'll see how it goes!
feed is up on youtube. good quality
30 minutes boys and girls. Strap up I feel we finally get one of these shiny point guards they talk about
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 I've never wanted Matt Scott to be right more in my life. He made a weird comment in the what you need to know post saying he expected a couple cb picks for Maryland to make it interesting.
which happened. with less then an hr to go who knows if anything else will pop up. I think everyone is just waiting for the time of the announcement at this point.
3genhawk said:
The Dotson family has done a great job keeping everyone guessing. The crystalball picks are just a shot in the dark, a 50 50 chance.
The recent one's I agree.
I do think some of the talk this summer that he was KU's to lose was legitimate information especially as it leaked out in Vegas in the last tournament Dotson and Zion played in together. From there I don't think there has been anything floating around enough to sway people in another direction from that.
We all hope the so called experts landed on the right side here..
KUSTEVE said:
@BeddieKU23 I don't have any say in the matter.
True, you and I and everyone else for that matter has no say.
If I was to ask you, and you were the coach would you be okay with just Charlie Moore at PG. Even further, are you okay with him starting if we indeed did miss on important recruits.
Have you seen him play? Any games? Or just trusting Self here?
I have watched 4 of his games. 2 in the beginning of the year, one vs UCLA and one in the Pac-12 tourney. I feel Self is after Dotson and Grimes with a good bit of "need" not "want" because I think Moore will be better (and ready for a bigger role) when he's a Junior and Senior.
2 hours to go and I'm confident he's gonna be a Jayhawk. So @jayballer54 you better get your RCJH Baby ready
Slater put his CB like last year for Dotson. Hasn't wavered I don't think either
KUSTEVE said:
Since when do we care a whittle about Maryland...their fans..or their message boards???? I'm not understanding the obsession. Win or lose, we'll be fine with or without Dotson.
So your okay with Charlie Moore starting?
Maryland board has officially hit the low when they are quoting the movie beerfest in regards to Matt Scott
RockkChalkk said:
Would be fun if there was a KU Buckets Crystal Ball thing
New recruiting tool??
I predict there will be people at his announcment
RockkChalkk said:
4-2 KU
boooyaaa
but now he's got his followers trying to dissect why. funny
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Guy is an expert at driving his fans/subscribers. Something we probably wish KU's did more of. I give him that and that only.
Not saying anything about this recruitment but even MD fans, even if somewhat tongue-in-cheek call him Jimmy Clickbait.
He did exactly as predicted. He's had a new Dotson article for the past month, regurgitating the same information. They have nothing to lose with their pick, they know they got into the game late here and have house money. If they are right they didn't know crap other then being homers to their teams. If they are wrong they will say they didn't know because they weren't told
Jeff's minion with his Maryland pick as well.
Guy is an expert at driving his fans/subscribers. Something we probably wish KU's did more of. I give him that and that only.
BShark said:
Jeff Ermann right on cue.
You knew it wouldn't be any other way.
Did Cleveland St have the school closed yet?
Evan Daniels with his CB to Kansas as well
BShark said:
So Maryland is firing their AD. Threads about it on the MD board are getting deleted but it's true. LOL.
fallout from UNC report today lol
Hopefully they are still there at 5:59.. and green by 6:30ish..
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 Was Quitter listed as a PG on any of the services? I know 247 had him as a 2 guard.
ESPN not ranking post grads killed Frank and Devonte's ranks. Frank in particular. 247 had him at #52. I remember the reaction to Graham was extremely positive, unless you include dumbasses that don't know basketball and obvious trolls. NC State fans were pissed they didn't get him. All people around NC and hoops in general were saying KU got a really good player.
All that said, it would be super nice to land a PG or two that are consensus top 30.
I think quittercamp was always listed as a SG and I included Morsell for Maryland who's got 2 ways skills as well. Figured I'd just lump them in for comparison.
Yeah I wasn't sold on the Mason signing to be honest at first. After I was able to find information on him I thought he'd at least be a rotation player at some point. Boy that was an understatement of the century.
I knew about Graham. I actually went to a Brewster game when KU was interested in him and I was stunned that he almost went to Appalachian St in the first place. My friend that is a Brewster alum and knows the coach Jason Smith pretty well would give me info on Devonte. I knew we were getting a good one before the national media knew of him
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 Well said. If KU misses, can't blame the staff on this one, they put in the work.
I still think this is a Bill Self vs Mark Turgeon battle. Devon ultimately has to play for either coach so which coach sold him on their vision for him (and the team) the best.
Until recently I projected Dotson to be a 3-4 year player. After his summer that time-frame likely became 2-3 years. I don't think he'll need all 4. I think he'll stay at least two to maximize his potential draft stock so who's coaching him is very important here, I think more important then depth chart and who he's playing with.
Self is usually really damn good at selling his pitch but the PG position is definitely been his thorn. Turgeon has landed 4 Top 100 Composite PG's in the last 5 recruiting cycles.. Self, 1 if we include Conner cry baby (Frank & Devonte were both outside top 100 on Composite although some sites had them ranked higher). He also landed two via transfer.
This is on our HOF Coach to win this battle
Now that his decision day is here. I think a lot of us have seen just how desperate Maryland wants to be considered a big-time program and respected nationally. They are desperate for Dotson, its why a good amount of their fans have gone crazy over this kid. The rumors, inside info etc is really crazy with this one. I'm sure very little of it has been true every step of the way. With their football program in a similar situation as KU's Basketball is life there.
If the transparency that the Dotson's have given everyone matters his relationship with KU and the one he didn't have with Maryland until this spring/summer should prevail.
We offered early, we got him on campus on his dime as a Junior during his basketball season.
We showed up front and center at all of his games this summer. We went to HS games, we flew in to check on him constantly. We spent more time at his AAU events (UA & Adidas) then the normal slug-fest at Peach Jam. KU made a concentrated effort to show him they really need him, not just want him.
If its about staying close to home and playing with his friend then that's his decision he has to live with. I can understand the comfort level for kids making this big decision and knowing he's got someone who has his back that he has a personal relationship with. When I went to College I wanted to end up with my closest friends. I absolutely understand having that familiarity with someone.
If he's an NBA player no matter where he lands isn't going to stop him, its up to him. Cowan at Maryland and Moore at KU are not going to stand in his way.
KU certainly has some advantages for Dotson over Maryland but as fans those things might not matter to him as much. I do think this recruitment would have been over had he felt what Kansas had to offer him was a slam dunk over everyone else.
In the end this is a battle that is up to Bill Self, not anyone else.
Did he give Devon and his parents the comfort level they were seeking? Did he get the relationship to a point where it was more then basketball? You would think all the time they have put into this one that they did. Was his message on how they would use Devon and his statement that he'd start at KU from Day-1 hit home?
A Hall of Fame coach said you'd start here how can you turn your back on that? I guess we will find out
I suggest you have a few totties in the next 11 hours. Enjoy the day! I think its going to end up just fine
this recruitment will be a fun one to remember if its KU. At least its over today.
KU would move from #20 to # 3 in team recruiting rankings.
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 Not sure if you saw this yet. Quiiiiite the back track after the double down!
So now my guy says "Ayala". I'm like, no shit, what about Dotson? He says, "I heard his name too, but definitely Ayala".
Personally, I find it hard to believe both would come. There must be buzz about Dotson to Md cause otherwise this dude never would've brought it up, but don't know if I trust what he's hearing is fact or kids talking. I'm sure Jeff and Josh have heard all kinds of stuff from their local sources and are better at separating fact from rumor than rest of us.
Thanks. The person knows absolutely nothing