BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 True. Also of note he still isn't confident enough to take UK in the CB. You know...funny thing... UK people think KU leads and it's UK or KU. Marquette people think KU leads and it's Marquette or KU. Texas people think KU leads.
I'm sensing a theme...
I like that theme you have presented. So we should expect him to sign with Arizona in March? (kidding of course)
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 That UK degree has not helped his math skills apparently.
We all know he has to please a very delusional fanbase so its not a surprise
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
CB's coming in for Herro to Kentucky
Twist! Grimes to KU, KJ to MD and this kid to UK. I'd take it. :smile:
Didn't you see, Fisher says uk got a 45% chance with Grimes lol
joeloveshawks said:
Any idea if this game is on National television?
Pay per view for 40 bucks
JayHawkFanToo said:
Wow, this is big. Does he go to Villanova or considers others? Every major program will be after him.
Going to be a tall order for him to play anywhere with his connection to the FBI case.
And the bigger question is unless his name is cleared what school is going to take the chance?
Quinerly de-committed from Arizona.
Ayo to Illinois as expected
CB's coming in for Herro to Kentucky
I would love a 4th year out of Vick as well.
With How Self is recruiting the perimeter position we have a good guess that he's expecting Vick to have a big season and is recruiting accordingly
TCU ranked #30 in votes
Barney said:
@BeddieKU23 I think TCU will hang around 20 to 30 this year.
I could see that, deep team
Minnesota at #15 seems very HIGH
I don't see Gonzaga a top 20 team with what they lost. reputation ranking
Seems like the teams that were mentioned in the FBI case have been hurt in the preseason rankings. USC, Arizona, Louisville all have teams better then their ranking
If Alabama is the 25th best team in the country College Basketball is down down down
Full Poll
1 Duke (20) 0-0 774
2 Michigan State (9) 0-0 747
3 Kansas 0-0 723
4 Kentucky 0-0 678
5 Arizona (2) 0-0 654
6 Villanova 0-0 623
7 Florida (1) 0-0 549
8 Wichita State 0-0 543
9 North Carolina 0-0 515
10 West Virginia 0-0 458
11 USC 0-0 396
12 Miami 0-0 383
13 Cincinnati 0-0 349
14 Notre Dame 0-0 305
15 Minnesota 0-0 303
16 Louisville 0-0 295
17 Xavier 0-0 284
18 UCLA 0-0 275
19 Gonzaga 0-0 242
20 Northwestern 0-0 208
21 Purdue 0-0 167
22 Saint Mary's 0-0 152
23 Seton Hall 0-0 139
24 Baylor 0-0 107
25 Alabama 0-0 82
Ku #3.
Duke
Michigan St
KU
Kentucky
Arizona
Seems like just a mix and match of any other year
Texas at 4 hahaahaa (falling out my seat)
Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark Have to land either Zion or Langford in order to be a real NC contender next season in my opinion. Gives us length and depth at the 1-3 spots. It would amaze me if we couldn't land a Wing after what we have done with JJ, Wigs, BMac and Rush. And hopefully Vick or Svi can play themselves into the 1st round.
Agreed, Dotson was a great start. Dave and Silvio are definitely good players to throw into the rotation but the players we are after still on the board are going to be the difference in next years potential. That is largely assuming we lose Vick & Doke or 1 of them at the minimum
well he didn't play last night...
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 I'd read into how KU feels about Romeo if we become involved.
good point seems how Herro is definitely more of a SG/wing type
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
I think the smart money is on KJ ending up at Kentucky after pushing that announcement back.
Crazy that Herro isn't going to be a Badger. He's real good and it sounds like he knows it.
Clickbait Jimmy assures me it's MD and that the dad loves MD.
Watch that sentiment change. I think KJ has thrown a ton of misdirection at Maryland. He'll end up at Texas before Maryland and I think Kentucky is just going to show him he's their guy. That's how I see it
He waited until minutes before the Dotson announcement, so it will be awhile. :joy:
Looks like Maryland a major player for one time target Jarius Hamilton. Remember his coach was a huge KU fan. A lot of programs went the other way on him after his poor summer. Tools to be a top 100 player but he certainly didn't play like one this summer. Maryland after someone to replace KJ I think
Clickbait Jimmy tells me MD would take both. Just like they would have taken Dotson and Ayala no doubt.
Oh and agree about Hamilton in general he played himself OUT of big offers this summer with his horrible shooting.
He went from lock to stay in-state to lock to leave the state. Not saying Maryland wouldn't get use out of him but they need to take a big reality check with why they are even an option for him
I will point out if in fact KU does get involved with Herro this could mean they are doing so because they don't have 100% confidence in landing another guard at the moment. I'm really just assuming but if you see KU becoming a factor I would think it means something. Looks like he wants clear cut PT. Not sure KU has that clear cut option just yet..
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Good points, it might be beneficial that Zion waits until spring. Still a lot of moving parts as you have laid out some of them.
I think the two things work in our favor, Dotson and the previous wings that have come through this program recently. Self does cater his offenses around these types of guys so I don't think Duke and Kentucky can get away with negatively recruiting against Self in that regard. Dotson also was a player that had excellent chemistry with Zion and Zion would know what type of player would be setting up his shots and running the team.
This is the heavyweight recruitment we can definitely win. It seems unlikely but I wouldn't be shocked either
Adidas did work getting that pairing to happen for a tournament. Not saying it wasn't all above board but they did work.
Agree I'm sure there was some influence involved. It's just like any Nike event held...
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
I think the smart money is on KJ ending up at Kentucky after pushing that announcement back.
Crazy that Herro isn't going to be a Badger. He's real good and it sounds like he knows it.
Clickbait Jimmy assures me it's MD and that the dad loves MD.
Watch that sentiment change. I think KJ has thrown a ton of misdirection at Maryland. He'll end up at Texas before Maryland and I think Kentucky is just going to show him he's their guy. That's how I see it
He waited until minutes before the Dotson announcement, so it will be awhile. :joy:
Looks like Maryland a major player for one time target Jarius Hamilton. Remember his coach was a huge KU fan. A lot of programs went the other way on him after his poor summer. Tools to be a top 100 player but he certainly didn't play like one this summer. Maryland after someone to replace KJ I think
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
I think the smart money is on KJ ending up at Kentucky after pushing that announcement back.
Crazy that Herro isn't going to be a Badger. He's real good and it sounds like he knows it.
Clickbait Jimmy assures me it's MD and that the dad loves MD.
Watch that sentiment change. I think KJ has thrown a ton of misdirection at Maryland. He'll end up at Texas before Maryland and I think Kentucky is just going to show him he's their guy. That's how I see it
Good points, it might be beneficial that Zion waits until spring. Still a lot of moving parts as you have laid out some of them.
I think the two things work in our favor, Dotson and the previous wings that have come through this program recently. Self does cater his offenses around these types of guys so I don't think Duke and Kentucky can get away with negatively recruiting against Self in that regard. Dotson also was a player that had excellent chemistry with Zion and Zion would know what type of player would be setting up his shots and running the team.
This is the heavyweight recruitment we can definitely win. It seems unlikely but I wouldn't be shocked either
I think the smart money is on KJ ending up at Kentucky after pushing that announcement back.
Crazy that Herro isn't going to be a Badger. He's real good and it sounds like he knows it.
HighEliteMajor said:
@BeddieKU23 Being selfish, yes, I'd like 3 years or 2. But I think it's unreasonable for the NBA to put in a restriction like that unless someone was actually drafted and didn't come -- meaning that a team has the player's rights for a specific period of time.
More in line with the Baseball or Hockey model?
The recent comments from Adam Silver pointed to the fact they would rather see players develop in College or the G-League then being the OAD or oversea's model or in the case of Mitchell Robinson sitting out the year and training.
It seems they might remove the restriction of College for those that wish to jump immediately but it does seem they would like for kids that do end up going to College to stay at least a few years
I don't think KU is likely to land Zion, he just has the makings of a UK player.
UK will turn the pressure up on him if RJ Barrett signs with Duke.
UK does have a stable of forwards that play the 3/4 that could possibly be back next year so I think he'd want to know they are leaving before he signed but who knows maybe he's just the latest player to sign with them that has no issues who's on the roster.
The one advantage for KU here is Dotson committed and from everything we know they have a solid relationship. We "evened" the playing field with UK in that regards who also has his buddy Quickly signed.
FarmerJayhawk said:
I like Zion, but the more I think about it, the fit is just weird. How do we play him? He’s a collegiate 4, but what if Udoka comes back? Do we square peg round hole him as a wing? I mean Self can figure it out, but I just think Langford is the better fit.
Very good question.
What if Zion signs with Kentucky or Duke or one of the local schools Do you want to face him?
The more that I see of Zion the more I see the matchup issues he'll cause in College. Zion is an outlier physically and athletically at the College level. How do you possibly guard Zion with today's typical College 3 or 4 for that matter. It's a huge matchup advantage to have at your disposal and something I would love to see Self challenged with figuring out how to best use him instead of figuring out how to stop him. That is why I think he's a take no matter the fit.
RockkChalkk said:
BShark said:
RockkChalkk said:
BShark said:
If certain people are to be believed including Slater, Dotson and Grimes were both pretty much worst kept secret practically committed to KU. Now Dotson actually is committed and Grimes moves up his decision timetable after visiting KU. :thinking:
Where did you see this? I didn't catch that story anywhere, would love to read up on this tidbit if you have a link or something. Thanks.
Article on Kansas 247 site.
Bah, I don't have access. What is his new timeline?
"We want to announce before the end of the year [2017]," said Stelly about their decision timeline. Stelly is his mother
HighEliteMajor said:
@BeddieKU23 Could It be that it was Bill Self who screwed up the handling of the bigs in question? More Diallo and Cliff are my belief. The handling of both is all on Bill Self in my opinion. Well documented here as we lived it.
When Self has experienced security blankets, he'll bypass guys with much greater talent and toss out all sorts of excuses. Self recruited and chose Diallo and Cliff for his program. When you say "fit", that implicates Self.
I absolutely agree. I think he definitely screwed up with both of them.
We obviously can't change the past and we have talked about these players a ton over the years so is there a solution that Self will take to how he approaches using De Sousa and McCormack? There is a chance both come in and are not forced to be starters. Lawson (if here) and Azubuike could be the front line next season which ideally would allow both big men to become rotation pieces and develop behind guys that already know what is expected from Self. Any thought?
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Love the use of not chasing the Athletic dragon. Big Dave is certainly not that. Year 2 and 3 and possibly 4 will be fun to see out of him.
Still think Carey would have been just as ideal a recruit but after Self waved the flag at Peach Jam on him for others he probably got the hint he wasn't leaving the East Coast. I know Norm was big on him as well, going to suck seeing him in an Orange uniform playing zero defense and putting up buckets.
I wasn't as high on Ayo due to his shooting concerns but he definitely fit the athletic guard we usually seek. Doesn't look like even with his connection to Charlie we pursued enough and obviously we can assume that we were just in a much better position for Dotson/Grimes that we didn't need scare them off by going hard after others..?
Maybe the staff learned from Diallo. He was super athletic but he was dead set on being OAD and didn't have the skill/smarts to play for Self much year one. Bad combination...
Maybe a change in philosophy. SDS is plenty athletic but I don't think he is locked into being a OAD. Especially with the way his stock fell (was top 5).
Fully believe KU could have got Carey if that's the way the staff wanted to go. But the staff went hard elsewhere. I think he would have been a good fit as well. Dotson is a fantastic fit though and Grimes is a must take legacy with insane potential.
I'd put Ayo a shade below Dotson. Should be a fantastic multiyear player.
If certain people are to be believed including Slater, Dotson and Grimes were both pretty much worst kept secret practically committed to KU. Now Dotson actually is committed and Grimes moves up his decision timetable after visiting KU. :thinking:
BeddieKU23 said:
Funny thing is KU finished 2nd for Tyus and Okafor. Imagine if Tyus was a KU guy and his brother ended up a hawk because of that connection. Seems likely it would have happened if that sequence of events years ago played out that way
Seemed like, without any inside knowledge of the situation that Tyus was really pro Duke and Okafor was big on KU but ultimately we know who won out there...
Diallo was a case of wrong fit. I was convinced he'd be great here but the player, coach and scheme just didn't fit and of course the NCAA screwed him out of a full season. If he ended up at Kentucky he would have been fine. Diallo does look much improved in the NBA with development and maturity. Just a case of a player that wasn't ready to play for Bill Self- unfortunately we've had a slew of those bigs lately.. Diallo, Cliff, Bragg.
I do think De Sousa and McCormack will be different. I don't see the pressure on them to be OAD's, I think both of them want to be coached instead of babied. We'll see but I'm excited about this pair
This will definitely have an effect on recruiting for KU. Personally I hope the new rule lets kids jump to the league but if they go to College its a minimum 2 yrs, 3 would probably be best.
Boy Calipari is going to have to get out the check book (Nike) to stop this one!
jaybate 1.0 said:
This game with Fizzou is just having sex with your ex-wife after both of you meet up 10 years later at the hospital waiting room seeing a dying relative. Mortality and time passage make you both forget how much you hated each other. Hollywood movies work this sick cliche endlessly. But this isn’t a movie and Fizzourah was the worst thing that ever happened to KU basketball.
If Bill were really serious about raising money, then sell “Muck Fizzou” t-shirts at the game along with fifths of McCormack’s Whiskey with labels reading: “DRINK ME AND THROW ME AT THE MU COACH FOR CHARITY! MUCK FIZZOU!”
Ah for the bad old days!
Don’t do it!
Abusive relationships are sick!
DON’T PLAY FIZZOU AGAIN!!!!
Maybe the funniest thing I've seen posted this whole year. Thank you for the monday pick me up!
wrwlumpy said:
After watching this man attack the paint, I know that the outside shots will be wide open.
OMG he's good.
Known for getting to the FT line a lot as well. He attacks teams and makes them make a decision that they can't win. His aggressiveness might remind you of some POY guard who came through the program recently..
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
jayballer54 said:
@BeddieKU23 See, that is something I always thought was kind of strange to about Devon. - -NC - -or Duke neither one was in the running - EVER , for some reason whether it was them or just Devon or maybe a combination of both. It's ok though you sure don't hear me complaining lol. Just glad we landed him. - -Feel pretty good about Quinten wish we could get him in the early period but doesn't look like it. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Roy took 2 guards early especially Colby White who played the same position. I think because they took those guys early and with Felton & Woods on the roster already playing time was going to be an issue. Plus you had the looming NCAA investigation.. .
With Duke they had Garland and Jones at the top of their list and Dotson was just a secondary option coming into the AAU season. It never seemed like Dotson wanted to be anyone's fall back plan which was important for KU and Self having a chance with him. I think that hurt Maryland as well which lost out on local star Prentiss Hubb and then decided to recruit Dotson after (right around the time his friend Wiggins signed with them). Once Tre Jones showed he was "Duke's guy" even Garland became less of an option (and now eliminated them) once RJ Barrett became the prime target for them after moving into 2018. I don't think Duke knew Dotson would improve enough to be at the Elite Level that Garland was already at. I think Duke just missed on him and that is KU's gain.
Dotson liked Duke and I think he always wanted to play at a blue-blood type school.I'm certainly not trying to say we landed Dotson because the 2 elite home schools didn't want him. Maybe one could say neither put in the attention needed to land him so he looked out of state but I do feel confident that the relationship Self and Norm built with him kept him from staying home or closer to home. That unofficial visit he took last season is proving to be probably the biggest advantage we took to land him. He saw everything KU and everything since then just reinforced what he knew.
Kids wanna play. KU did a great job making Dotson "the guy". If Duke would have prioritized him who knows, but they basically had to take Tre Jones, which took that off the table.
Funny thing is KU finished 2nd for Tyus and Okafor. Imagine if Tyus was a KU guy and his brother ended up a hawk because of that connection. Seems likely it would have happened if that sequence of events years ago played out that way
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
After this weekend, Grimes is about as locked on KU as it can get, barring something really bizarre like Newman coming back. He may not sign early, but he’ll be in crimson and blue.
We certainly hope so. Pushing back the visit to a weekend they could focus on him and him alone could end up being the best decision.
I like the approach the Staff has taken this cycle. It feels different. Landed De Sousa out of the blue, made Big Dave a priority in the summer and into the fall. Stayed on Dotson hard for over a year. Doing the same with Grimes. We are definitely not sweating it out this fall like years past.
Locking in on McCormack and not chasing the athletic dragon was a great decision imo.
So much of recruiting is identifying who the staff thinks they can land. Looks genius when it works and it all makes sense now how the staff dropped off with Carey and Ayo when Dotson did seem extremely solid w/ KU. We heard how it was "commit watch" with Dotson awhile back. Could be he just wanted to be thorough or take more visits.
Love the use of not chasing the Athletic dragon. Big Dave is certainly not that. Year 2 and 3 and possibly 4 will be fun to see out of him.
Still think Carey would have been just as ideal a recruit but after Self waved the flag at Peach Jam on him for others he probably got the hint he wasn't leaving the East Coast. I know Norm was big on him as well, going to suck seeing him in an Orange uniform playing zero defense and putting up buckets.
I wasn't as high on Ayo due to his shooting concerns but he definitely fit the athletic guard we usually seek. Doesn't look like even with his connection to Charlie we pursued enough and obviously we can assume that we were just in a much better position for Dotson/Grimes that we didn't need scare them off by going hard after others..?
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 One thing about Devon is he isn't a true NC kid. I don't know the exact timeline for when the family moved there but he mentioned knowing Charlie Moore previously.
Definitely I don't think there is a clear cut best PG in this group. Nor is there really a OAD caliber but I could see some being OAD anyway, particularly Quickly. Jones, Dotson, Garland, Quickly, Quinerly, Nembhard, all should be excellent PGs in college.
Good point, he was a Chicago native until HS I believe? Probably helped him from being a Duke/UNC target growing up through the NC system.
Agree about Quickley, don't see him as a multi-year player. I don't see him as the same type of PG as Fox, Wall, Rose but obviously going to Kentucky he's part of the machine for 8 months and he's gotta go. Wouldn't have minded him in a KU uniform either, sounds like we definitely gave him something to consider as his recruitment winded down..
Agree this class has excellent College potential. I kind of like to see classes where you get a ton of depth that will likely be around a while to make an impact. There is well over a dozen or so of those guards out there in 2018. Going to be important class for Colleges in general
JayHawkFanToo said:
Moore proved he can play Division I b-ball and that was as a freshman. With one year of practice under Coach Self and scrimmaging against Devonte and Malik will give him a huge advantage. It would not surprise me if he starts at the beginning of the season until Dotson get his feet wet and takes over.
He did prove he could play D-1 ball as a freshman. Charlie had a typical freshman year, flashed some in big games and struggled with turnovers, shooting %, efficiency etc while playing for a middle of the pack Pac-12 team. He'll have an advantage being in the program for a year. His first impression in Italy was okay. I see a clear talent advantage for Dotson but I do think there will be a spirited competition for the spot which from a coaching stance is probably the best thing a highly touted freshman can have coming in. Charlie will push him and I think we'll see them on the floor at the same time regardless of who else is signed at guard.
JayHawkFanToo said:
I did not check all of them but I believe they were all ranked higher than Grimes. Also, Oubre did not start until several games into the season and maybe Selden as well?
Yeah Grimes is in that 10-20 range overall which I think is exactly where he belongs. The recent NBA comp to Gary Harris from Michigan St I believe is a very good one. We could even say Grimes compares to Selden but with a better perimeter shot.
Yeah Oubre took a few games, I forgot. Same with Embiid. Even if Dotson doesn't start game 1 I do think he'll take the position as other elite level freshman have done. In my opinion I'd be very surprised if Charlie Moore beat out Dotson
jayballer54 said:
@BeddieKU23 See, that is something I always thought was kind of strange to about Devon. - -NC - -or Duke neither one was in the running - EVER , for some reason whether it was them or just Devon or maybe a combination of both. It's ok though you sure don't hear me complaining lol. Just glad we landed him. - -Feel pretty good about Quinten wish we could get him in the early period but doesn't look like it. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Roy took 2 guards early especially Colby White who played the same position. I think because they took those guys early and with Felton & Woods on the roster already playing time was going to be an issue. Plus you had the looming NCAA investigation.. .
With Duke they had Garland and Jones at the top of their list and Dotson was just a secondary option coming into the AAU season. It never seemed like Dotson wanted to be anyone's fall back plan which was important for KU and Self having a chance with him. I think that hurt Maryland as well which lost out on local star Prentiss Hubb and then decided to recruit Dotson after (right around the time his friend Wiggins signed with them). Once Tre Jones showed he was "Duke's guy" even Garland became less of an option (and now eliminated them) once RJ Barrett became the prime target for them after moving into 2018. I don't think Duke knew Dotson would improve enough to be at the Elite Level that Garland was already at. I think Duke just missed on him and that is KU's gain.
Dotson liked Duke and I think he always wanted to play at a blue-blood type school.
I'm certainly not trying to say we landed Dotson because the 2 elite home schools didn't want him. Maybe one could say neither put in the attention needed to land him so he looked out of state but I do feel confident that the relationship Self and Norm built with him kept him from staying home or closer to home. That unofficial visit he took last season is proving to be probably the biggest advantage we took to land him. He saw everything KU and everything since then just reinforced what he knew.
FarmerJayhawk said:
After this weekend, Grimes is about as locked on KU as it can get, barring something really bizarre like Newman coming back. He may not sign early, but he’ll be in crimson and blue.
We certainly hope so. Pushing back the visit to a weekend they could focus on him and him alone could end up being the best decision.
I like the approach the Staff has taken this cycle. It feels different. Landed De Sousa out of the blue, made Big Dave a priority in the summer and into the fall. Stayed on Dotson hard for over a year. Doing the same with Grimes. We are definitely not sweating it out this fall like years past.
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 Yeah I do think Dotson and Moore are a pretty good fit, though it's a small line-up defensively. Moore isn't really a pure PG, but he can shoot it. Dotson needs to work on his shot (what a great choice he made, coming to KU) but he is a guy that has the ball on a string and can penetrate to score or dish.
Believe it or don't but he was this staff's TOP PG target and they evaluated all the top guys. Though perhaps Tre Jones being never remotely possible was not considered.
It sure seems like the staff has assuaged some of the Grimes family concerns re: Newman since they are literally bumping up the time table right after his KU visit.
To tell everyone how much the staff wants Grimes, Bill gave the family a tour of the campus himself. Kid is a priority recruit.
I think I'd rather have SR Vick than FR Romeo but either option is good.
Yeah the Moore/Dotson combo is no different then Mason/Graham on height alone. There's always a give and take to going small at the PG position & with how Self runs his offense there is a good chance both play at the same time.
That's why Grimes is so important as the other guard signee. Adding that physicality, length and 2 way ability is how you basically make the Dotson/Moore a competition for starter's minutes and create depth. We just don't know how serious Vick is out the door just yet but I agree I would take him as a Sr over Romeo. I'll always been partial to Vick but I do think he would be the leading scorer on this team next season if he stayed. I think he's also seen what Graham, Mason, Perry and Svi have done by staying as well and may want the opportunity to be in the limelight. Having said that Vick has some natural advantages that will make it hard for teams to overlook him if he has a solid year. He'll test well at the combine athletically and that will go a long way.
I think Self identified the player that closely resembled everything he wanted in a PG. We also have to give Devon props for not ending up at Duke or UNC which for some reason just never put the throttle on him. It's rare that we were able to go into North Carolina and not have a single home school be a threat for him. Dotson definitely improved enough to be in the discussion for top PG. That could have been part of the reason others passed initially was because Dotson's improvement has really started to take off now. Tre Jones definitely improved as well to put his name on top but I think the difference between the Top 7-8 PG's is marginal anyway. There isn't a big separation between them because you don't have a Ball, Rose, Wall, type in the class.
Love the news about Grimes. Seems like Self and company took a good approach to selling KU to them. This was a very important visit seems how Q hadn't been to campus for some time. Feel even more confident we get him now
He will certainly have to earn the position. You made a good point that Self has definitely favored experience in the past if he doesn't trust the young guys.
I would view Dotson more in line with previous freshman that have started at KU in the past such as Wiggins, Jackson, Oubre, Selden etc. Dotson isn't a raw prospect and has a lot of the qualities Self likes to see from a young player. He's quick he has vision and he defends. He was a 4 star player going into the Spring and now is pretty much a consensus 5 star player. It's a testament to his hard work and people getting to see him play against other high level point guards which he outplayed consistently.
The situation we have next year at point guard is something we haven't dealt with in a long time. Usually we have a understudy waiting in the wings. Moore I suppose fits that description but he doesn't get game experience this year so he doesn't have a big edge on Dotson in that regard.
The competition should be great. Bringing in a very talented guard alongside Charlie is exactly what was needed. Dotson's quote about his fit with Charlie is the type of thing you love to hear about incoming Hawks.
Garrett certainly could be another ball handler thrown into the mix. We'll have to wait to see what his primary role is this season without a true backup to Devonte on the team.
Self is likely to add another Guard with PG skills in Grimes. We may need Grimes more for his play-making ability then passing but it does seem Self is dead set on adding as much skilled perimeter talent as he can as he's faced with replacing so much experience in Graham & Svi. Malik is probably a OAD transfer and Vick certainly has the chance to impress scouts this season. That's not a great situation to be in but then again Self has always found players that are able to fill the gaps. Dotson is certainly a player that fits a lot of needs for next year's squad and beyond.
HighEliteMajor said:
Charlie Moore as the back up point guard has a much better ring to it than the alternative -- as a starter.
Bingo!
We have a great chance of adding another ball handler as well.
I couldn't even get through 3 minutes of the Ball game with Zion. Wow really that isn't basketball