Kcmatt7 said:
League is down. I don't know anyone who will go to the NBA outside of the 5 or 6 possible for KU and Bamba. So this preseason list is kind of sad.
I agree League is down.
Andrew Jones will play in the NBA.
Jeffrey Carroll as well.
Acuil Jr might intrigue someone at his size and the ability to protect the rim and shoot the 3..
Trae Young, McGusty, Wigginton are probably next year.
BShark said:
If Udoka can get his ft% up to like....60...which is a tall ask then his production and advanced stats like ORTG should have him in the conversation for actual first team B12. He was a defensive monster last year before his injury and he didn't even know what he was doing yet. Just being tall and camping in the paint last year had him markedly better than Lucas defensively if you extrapolate.
The way Doke shoots the ball 60% is never realistic for him. To think that they haven't tried to change his shot by now is stupid
BShark said:
Says something about this league that Vlad the Impaler and Zach Smith are preseason first team, lol.
Well to be fair neither of those guys KU can guard with their life
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 Rumour mill time
So, my Team Takeover guy, who couldn't care less about Md recruiting, just says to me, "Yall got a point guard". I was like, who? He says "Dotson". I'm not taking it to the bank, but just another log on the fire.
Saw it, should hear about 30 more
Same guy followed up on it, doubled down.
I'm waiting for his triple double
good for Devonte. Hopefully he can deliver
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 Rumour mill time
So, my Team Takeover guy, who couldn't care less about Md recruiting, just says to me, "Yall got a point guard". I was like, who? He says "Dotson". I'm not taking it to the bank, but just another log on the fire.
Saw it, should hear about 30 more
Ayala never visited Oregon so he's a Terp!
So his decision has to be good news for us right? That he's going to Maryland no matter what happens Friday
jayballer54 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
So is that An6el to be believed?
What? - - lo - -what is an An6el? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
It's the fat lady claiming KU to Dotson
So is that An6el to be believed?
I like that Dotson had the 2 teams in person to tell them their decision. Follows with what they have done the whole recruitment which is be transparent with the schools they were considering. The one thing that would suck for KU is to fly in and be told we're not coming to KU..Fly thousands of miles for a big pile of the fat lady's dooo doo @jayballer54
So far no CB action, really seems like nobody knows. Look for Maryland's guys to put in for Maryland today because they have nothing to lose at this point. He's doing it at his school so unlikely its a video announcement which became all the rage yesterday with that twitter follow.
I wish I felt better about this. I really want him but I'm used to the disappointment that recruiting is. There is nothing for finishing 2nd for these kids.
We'll see
Every year we have players step up into roles they didn't have the previous season. Mason kind of fell under the radar going into last year and became POY so its definitely hard to predict which player will become "the guy". Sometimes its all about opportunity, sometimes its about personal development and growth as a player and teammate.
If we are talking which player has the opportunity to make the biggest leap its obviously Azubuike. If he can stay on the court his production is vital to this team. He's the biggest boom or bust we got. I guess Preston could be lumped into that as well but as a freshman we know he's going to have times where he struggles, its expected.
I think we know what we are going to get from Devonte and Malik (although Malik hasn't done it in a KU uniform yet). I would say we more or less know what we are getting from Svi as well. I would bet at least one of these steps up because of the opportunity available. Newman would seem like the most likely to do so with the reputation he has for scoring and coming into the lineup alongside a very good guard to play off.
Vick is the 2nd guy I expect to make the leap. Just natural progression in the program, will probably play 900-1000 minutes this year and should be more consistent from a production standpoint. I'll be shocked if he doesn't capitalize on the opportunity this year.
Definitely lots of questions surround this team but every team has them. Maybe this team has more of them then some other seasons but there's a tremendous amount of talent and experience still around
The fat lady doesn't even know where he's going. Looks like she's gonna have to sleep around to find out
I don't see where he's following this person having checked a few times..
"He actually followed two Bleacher Reports guys and the other one has nothing to do with Maryland. So probably has nothing to do with Maryland and more to do with an interview or how he's announcing his commitment or something."
Follow up post
Maryland stalkers noticed he followed
Josh Fendrick
Manager, Video Programming @BleacherReport | #SurvivorBoy and #ProducerKid on @SimmsAndLefkoe | #goTerps #goRU
looks like things are finally heating up!!
Looks like Maryland is going to see him as well.
Sounds like they are telling the staff's their decisions..
BShark said:
Norm and Self going to NC today to check in with the Dotsons.
Going in for the Win!
I think they will know their decision today
You have to remember this was one man's opinion of each player. I'm not questioning the guys thoughts on Grimes/Langford/Zion as I'm sure there's a lot of truths and realities about each players game. The main thing with these 3 is they are all studs and all will be in the NBA most likely after next season.
Zion was the best player/prospect at the camp. If we talk what player would change/help KU the most next year it would be him. Especially if he could handle playing the wing. There is no comparison to Zion in College and the Pro's. There's 5 or 6 Dotson's, 5 or 6 Grimes, 5 or 6 Langford's in this class.
As far as guards its splitting hairs. Devon has really narrowed the gap because he does a lot of things really well. I think he'd be a more natural PG/leader compared to Charlie Moore who's really in the mold of Mason as far as scoring mentality. I think Moore has a lot to work on as far as becoming the starting point guard here and I get the feeling I'm not the only who thinks that way.
Langford has all the measurables and talent. Kind of reminds me of Wiggins, he knows he's good and the HS game just isn't challenging to him. He'd start over Lawson and Cunliffe so he's definitely someone that could help this team next year. If Self doesn't land Grimes I think Langford will look at KU's situation more favorably in the spring (which is his likely time period for deciding).
Definitely helps his NBA aspirations with those measurements.
Grimes certainly didn't hurt himself either.
Yeah his dad did mention it but nothing has been confirmed by them either.
I believe Matt said Grimes gets here Thursday night and his visit runs through Saturday
Grimes & Langford both competed at the USA mini-camp. Zion as well
Grimes NBA comp is Gary Harris. Romeo, Danny Green. Romeo has a 6'10 Wingspan for a guard/wing.. Zion measured 6'5 without shoes and 272 pounds currently. I'm sure he'll tone up this year but its crazy to think he can do the things he can do at that weight
Here's Grimes report-
Grimes' skills don't pop but the gritty combo guard impacts the game in a variety of ways with his physicality, defensive toughness and instinctual passing. Physically, Grimes compares favorably to Gary Harris at the same age. Grimes, now 17 years old, measured 6-3 barefoot with a 204-pound frame and a 6-7 wingspan in Colorado Springs. A 17-year-old Harris, a superior athlete and shooter, measured 6-3 barefoot with a 210-pound frame and a 6-6& #189; wingspan.
Grimes is comfortable as a transition and half-court playmaker, showing excellent timing and vision while on the move. He can play out of ball screens and get into the paint with his strong frame and creative footwork. He plays unselfish basketball and makes winning plays on both ends. Although not overly rangy defensively, Grimes is strong and willing to sit down in a stance and slide with both point guards and shooting guards, which should be his calling card early in his NCAA and NBA careers.
Grimes is a high-intangible, tough-minded guard who can pass, straight-line slash and make a shot with time and space. Becoming a more consistent shot-maker and finisher versus length are his top priorities, since he can be a bit limited as a scorer in the half court. He doesn't have a ton of wiggle with the ball and won't be able to rely as much on his physical nature against long athletes in the NBA. He's far from a non-shooter, having made 31.8 percent of his lifetime 3-pointers with fairly sound mechanics and solid rotation, but his overall touch in the half court leaves much to be desired. His ability to make his teammates better and bring toughness on the defensive end should help him get looks in the lottery of the 2019 NBA draft. -- MS
Player he most resembles physically in the DraftExpress measurement database: Gary Harris (age 17.5)
Here's Langford's-
Langford had a strong camp, confirming his status as one of the most talented prospects in the 2018 class. He has prototypical measurements for a wing at 6-6 in shoes with a 6-10 wingspan and a strong 201-pound frame. He is an outstanding athlete on top of that, blessed with excellent fluidity, body control and explosiveness. Langford is the type of player for whom everything comes easily, especially putting the ball in the basket. He has good footwork, the ability to get to the rim smoothly without a ball screen, and plays the game low to the ground. He shows some potential with his ability to knock down jumpers from beyond the arc, particularly when he can step into them in rhythm on the hop. He doesn't always shoot the ball the same way, though, especially off the dribble, and is still figuring out how to play with the same level of aggressiveness and intensity on every possession.
Naturally quiet and somewhat introverted, Langford said he's aware of the fact that he's often too passive on the floor and is looking to improve that part of his game, something we saw more of in the second day of the camp. When he's at his best, he's making his presence felt defensively, crashing the glass and scoring at will from all over the floor. Still not having turned 18 years old, Langford's best days are clearly ahead of him and his talent makes him someone NBA scouts will be monitoring closely. -- JG
Player he most resembles physically in the DraftExpress measurement database: Danny Green (age 22)
Maybe, but Ayala is deciding this week while Dotson still hasn't decided on a date and the way things are going I doubt he does this week at this point.
This could also be related to Keldon Johnson pushing his commitment back and UK lurking for him. Ayala knows there is only a few spots open at Maryland and doesn't want to miss out. I think Ayala committing to Maryland Saturday and Dotson waiting helps us too
For all the love Ayala claims to have for Maryland waiting until Saturday so he knows where Dotson is going would certainly say the opposite
further commenting to his fans
Ozziec said... (original post)
Well damn... Looks like it is Dotson to KU.
That's the gun to my head pick. Not the "I'm hearing Kansas" pick.
They're not giving up any info.
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 Well this is from the Maryland turd Ermann
"The Dotsons have kept both coaching staffs, media and fans guessing about where he's leaning. Neither outcome would be a surprise. This could change later in the week, but if I had to make a prediction right now, it would be Kansas."
Interesting comments from him. That's the complete opposite I expected from Jeff. I still think he puts his CB into Maryland to keep his subscribers from jumping off the cliff.. We'll see I do agree nobody knows because they haven't decided how they are announcing it. If they don't do a live announcement we likely will know before hand
BShark said:
Yeah. Lots of random "insiders" popping up for this one. And I agree, I don't like the way this is going.
It is very weird there is no leaking information to the recruiting sites..We'll see a CB run as soon as the recruiting site get word of how he's doing the announcement. If he does twitter then maybe nobody knows for sure. But I would bet its some kind of planned announcement which will almost assuredly give out something that Slater/Meyer will hear
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 But this random poster making their first post sure is confident!
just like maryland's random posters with their sources
In the end this is trending exactly the way it goes when we lose out
matt sure isn't confident anymore on DD. that always spells the worst. good grief kid
BShark said:
So Keldon Johnson is pushing back his decision 3-4 more weeks. The Maryland board is melting down. If we believe that UK is the main comp for Grimes (honestly Marquette COULD be) then we would hope Johnson changes to UK (recent momentum was all MD but it appears he is changing his mind).
HighEliteMajor said:
@BShark So what do you think of Garrett's ballhandling? Seems a little 2-guardish. I used to be ok with that to a degree, but after the EJ experience, I'm a pure point guard guy. No combo guards please -- combo guard is code for, "can't dribble like a point guard." I want the bad a** ball handler.
Oh 100% I want to see Dotson a Jayhawk and running the point next year.
Confirmation of a completely lunatic fanbase
I think Garrett could handle himself at PG. I do worry about his quickness against smaller guards. But if his reputation for defense translates we'll see. He's definitely an advantage to have at the position if he is as good as advertised
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Bol Bol down to Oregon and Kentucky.
Would be funny if he goes to Kentucky after Cal cut him this summer. Oregon could get the 2nd player Cal cut (King).. Some great leftovers. I think Bol Bol wants the attention he'd get at Kentucky
I have no doubt Bol Bol wants Kentucky. This class sucks for bigs, so I would bet Cal takes him.
He has the most boom or bust potential I've seen a long time.
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Looks like Jules Bernard is all UCLA..
KU never had a chance here.
I agree was just posting for those that may try and bring his name up again
I agree he is a capable passer and your right his role limits how much he gets to show that part of his game. Maybe we see some changes from Svi this season.
But the question still remains who is going to feed the big boy in the middle if its not Graham. Who's setting Svi up for the 3, or Newman? Svi & Vick averaged less then 2 assists per 40. Newman at Miss St was 3.1 per 40 so he does offer some hope if his role isn't strictly scoring. There are definitely some major questions surrounding this team. It will be exciting seeing how it all fits together
"If Grimes goes to Kentucky and Dotson to Maryland, who does KU focus their attention on for a point capable guard? Langford would be a terrific score but doesn’t fit that description of being a PG and he is the only other true guard I’m hearing that KU is after."
I don't know, we've been in this position before like last year when we put all our eggs into Trae Young and Colin Sexton baskets. We tried to land Sexton first then whiffed, then Young gave us the slip as well after. There were others as well but we ended up with Charlie Moore which was a disappointment IMO. Maybe Charlie pans out, he definitely was a "safe option" that will be here for the next 3 seasons. At minimum we have a guy with PG experience on the D-1 level who produced in a Power 5 conference. CM might not be the "sexy" option but at least he's here battling now with Devonte to learn the ropes. Usually those guys end up doing good things under Self. But CM has his limitations height wise, athletically, and questions about his efficiency and production. Obviously KU provides him the opportunity to improve tremendously on everything.
It's certainly possible we don't land either target again and at that point we'd be stuck looking at the spring for whatever leftovers pop up. We shouldn't be in that position hopefully. At some point though despite the two bigs he's landed so far we'd have to start questioning our recruiting approach with these top ranked guards. We just need one to change the narrative.
I agree Dotson could have a really good career here. I don't know what approach they took with him but if they weren't showing him what Frank did last season then I don't know. Dotson has a lot of qualities that mix and match with not only Frank but fellow North Carolina native Devonte. He absolutely fits the type of guard that would thrive here.
The one thing that should be important in Dotson's mind in regards to his future after College is what school benefits him the most for the NBA. If we take Frank and Melo for example.
Melo- big freshman year, inconsistent soph year, big junior year- goes pro- undrafted
Frank- backup role as a freshman, starter as a Soph, starter as a Jr (inconsistent year overall), POY as a Sr - 2nd round pick.
Neither came to College with the ideal measurable's the NBA salivates over. Neither went 1st round although Frank's play got him drafted despite his frame. Playing at KU was a huge advantage over playing at Maryland.
HighEliteMajor said:
@BeddieKU23 Self could realistically tell Dotson that he's the starter at PG, correct? Do you see any impediment there? Charlie Moore isn't much of a roadblock it would appear/I would hope.
He reportedly did tell Dotson he would be starter from day 1. He also said the same to Grimes. That's what both have said in regard to what Self's main message was to them.
I don't see any impediment with Moore from viewing Charlie's film and statistics. Plus we give up a good bit of size if we are relying on Moore as a starter next year. He's smaller then Mason and not even in the same ballpark athletically. I think Moore's best years are as Jr & Sr, a full 2 years after being in the system. At least that's where I see his game going at this point.
But that doesn't mean Dotson and his family are looking at it that way. And who knows what way they are looking at it from. The situation with Grimes makes it harder to convince 5 stars they can co-exist (unless your Cal and Coach K)
Ayo down to Illinois and Wake Forest.. Manning could real in another big one
Emmitt Williams has visisted Oregon. Has LSU and Florida also coming up. Wants to see Duke. Looks like KU lost out there with getting others. With all the rumors of his handler running things I don't think he was in control of where he went anyway (all Nike)
Is Vandy a legit concern for Langford? They are likely going to land Garland and all the recent smoke is they will get Shittu as well. Hmm Vandy goes from landing the occasional Top 100 player to possibly 3 5 stars, hmmm okay
Bol Bol down to Oregon and Kentucky.
Would be funny if he goes to Kentucky after Cal cut him this summer. Oregon could get the 2nd player Cal cut (King).. Some great leftovers. I think Bol Bol wants the attention he'd get at Kentucky
Looks like Jules Bernard is all UCLA..
Just as Maryland was asked to provide a realistic depth chart I'm sure KU was asked to do the same.
Known returners - Moore, Garrett
High probability of entering the draft- Newman
Probably will test the draft process- Vick
Leaving due to graduation- Graham
Best Case Scenario KU returns 4 of its 5 rotation guards.
Worst Case Scenario KU returns 2 of its 5 rotation guards.
Middle of the Road Scenario KU returns 3 of its 5 rotation guards.
I'm sure this is a big debate among the Dotson's..
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 I mean, someone in his camp has to be anti-KU right? This recruitment was too weird for that not to be the case.
Probably his mother. Of course I'm assuming but what mother wants her child so far from home in an unfamiliar area. I doubt it was the father seems how he has been pretty high on KU with each visit. I could be wrong though.
There's a lot of ways to look at this.
He visited Maryland out of respect to the coaches and his friend Aaron Wiggins. Take advantage of the visits, see what they had to offer with fit etc. It's closer to home and his friend is obviously holding some sway here.
How could he look at their depth chart and be excited about competing for PG minutes with Cowan. Keldon Johnson looks like he's a Terp as well which puts even more doubt in where his minutes are. Huerter will be Jr as well who handles some PG responsibilities. They also have Morsell who will play this year and most likely split some time at both guard positions.
At this point each school has competition. If he doesn't feel Vick is leaving and Grimes is a lock for KU then we really can't convince him otherwise that he'd beat out Charlie Moore. As a blueblood school this is on Self to close the deal.
The one thing that keeps me confident at all is KU is locked in on Dotson and Grimes only. There is no one else. That is unlike most years where Self likes someone more then others but keeps recruiting that position with other targets. We are not seeing that this year. We've mentioned Ayo and Carey as examples of that & others.
I will add whatever Ayala decides to do this week has some possibly important implications. Ayala visited Maryland the same weekend as Dotson and Keldon Johnson and reportedly will decide this week as well. Ayala has been viewed as a strong Maryland lean but obviously they want the bigger fish in Dotson so he's been viewed as more of the backup plan. Ayala went and visited Oregon over the weekend. Whoever his pick is would likely tell us where Dotson is going.
BShark said:
I'm betting on Maryland being the pick.
I hate to agree but it just seems that's the way this will end up. Maybe its just the pessimist in me with regards to recruiting. They have certainly thrown everyone off guard with how this recruitment has gone since the summer.
It looks like Devonte will average a good amount of assists this year, I wouldn't be surprised to see him top the Big-12 this year in that category.
Who else is a good passer on this team? Legitimate question right there.
I hope that Newman proves to be more of a team player then he has ever been asked to be. When his shot is falling he's always had the "kobe-esque" type mentality. Now his primary role will be scoring the ball and I have no doubt he'll lead the team in that but there will be plenty of situations where Graham is in foul trouble/gets cramps/is getting some rest and we'll need Malik and company to step up.
drgnslayr said:
He has the potential to be the best player in the country. We've seen that a few times during his 3 years at Kansas.
Question is... will he bring consistency? Will he bring fight every single game?
You would think he will he's not playing 2nd fiddle this season. He's the leader, he's the senior. I think he'll thrive under the pressure
An unfair Nike UK advantage. Also in that article is a video of him discussing Bol Bol.
Now isn't it universal that coaches can't talk about recruits until they are signed? Why is he allowed to speak openly about a player he doesn't have the right to talk about at this point in time.. I'll never understand the rules
I would have taken Steere as well. Would have helped possibly with Dotson as well. We could certainly use another big that could bide his time and develop here. I thought he had + athleticism and some decent understanding of his job in the post.
I don't think we saw particularly good defense out of either Vick or Svi last season. I'm sure tape would show both had their fair-share of lapses defensively.
Now we have Self praising Vick for his off-season work yet again and saying he should be our best wing defender. I'm not sure I'm buying that Vick has magically become a better defender. He is an exciting athlete though and his 2nd year as a key rotation player should help him improve in all area's of the game that he needs to keep improving at.
We also heard reports Svi dropped 20 pounds this summer which would lead us to believe he's quicker and lighter on his feet then he was last season where he looked bigger then his previous seasons at KU. If that helps with lateral quickness and his ability to keep a man in front of him then by all means why wasn't this thought of years before. I know someone else has pointed out in the past that Svi has high hip action and almost zero wingspan so his deficiencies are physical. As a Senior we should theoretically be getting the best version of Svi so his understanding of his job should not be in question at this stage in his career.
Overall this is going to be a very average defensive team that is going to rely on outscoring opponents. I see nothing heading into the season that changes that opinion