Well that's no surprise with UNC. They have played this one off for years what's another few days, weeks, months, years at this point.. They even let them get another championship while they were waiting.
I don't expect anything significant to happen which is sad because what happened was definitely significant. I guess we'll wait a bit longer to see what the big bad wolf has to say. It certainly has bark but no bite
Fits Keats style to a T. Steere is going to be good for them in time.
BShark said:
@justanotherfan Looks like West Virginia is passing on him, though admittedly I don't know the full situation there.
Could just be he sees the roster situation there and will pick a smaller school in hopes for earlier pt.
I think because their top incoming PF was ineligble this year and will join them in 2018. Harris always said he was looking for a place to play right away. I don't think Harris was even in the same stratosphere of talent as De Sousa or McCormack so its a great thing we didn't have to go back and grease the wheel with him.
BShark said:
Stud alert. KU has a solid in here too, his older brother was at SMU when Snacks was there.
Smart to be getting ahead of these types
the rumor mill fell into the rum bottle a little too deep.
anyways today should be a funny/interesting/maddening day when the NCAA releases its penalties to UNC and suspends all operations at Cleveland St instead for the next 20 years.
A lot of people look small guarding Doke.
But I do agree he isn't being pushed in practice by anyone that can guard him physically.
BShark said:
Not that we were really worried here but
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was that recent?
I think Vick is going to start. When you look at Graham & Newman you see two very good perimeter shooters but they don't have that elite athletic ability KU is used to having on the floor at the wing. I think Vick can make athletic plays on both sides of the ball that Svi simply cannot. For that I give him the slight edge. Vick should be one of our best defenders this season which is another reason I would start him.
Having said that we know both of these guys are going to play a ton of minutes. Especially until Sam I am becomes eligible we have just 5 guards. It might not even matter who starts because at this point each of them is going to play 25-30 minutes a game. Unless Preston is ready to give us a ton of minutes as a stretch 4 and Lightfoot can be counted on in a reserve role I think we see more then our fair share of lineups where we have Graham/Newman/Vick/Svi/Doke on the floor.
Starting Lineup
"Update: I talked to my buddy this morning. This will likely be my last update till Dotson’s commitment. The Dotson family has tightened their circle, with very little information coming out. My buddy believes that they have either reached a decision or have heard about a leaking of information from their circle. For the first time in our communications, he told me he now believes Dotson is a MD lean, however that could very well change. He said that if Dotson had committed this week, he would’ve put money on KU. This recruitment is going down to the wire. I doubt I’ll get any more information until the commitment."
Maryland fan who supposedly has a buddy close to Devon says he's now a Maryland Lean. Didn't see that one coming did we
I think the Maryland guy wants to put his in for his team but he knows the intel isn't saying that. Every day he's been running new click-bait articles for his fans. I'm sure he'll be one of the few that puts one in for Maryland as his date next week gets closer..
jayballer54 said:
Well , not seeing any kind of CB movement or predictions at all after the weekends of visits to Kentucky & Maryland. Sure would think if things went really well like some on their boards are talking we would be seeing something towards them - -something - -anything. - I see nothing to make me think things have shifted in their favor - not even their own people have shown anything. - -things that make you go - -hmmmmmmm. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I think with both camps they are not letting out information regarding their choices. Both families are being air-tight about their plans (unlike Big Dave where his intel got out) . I think when both pick concrete dates then we can really monitor it. I do agree it is positive that neither has seen anything change since the visits. Hopefully it continues.
Funny how quickly Little went everywhere but the schools that wanted to pay him. Huge get for Roy though, a OAD for sure.
Agree about Carey. The reassuring part with him is if the staff wasn't confident they were getting the others they would have kept channels open with him. We've seen that time and time again. Now we wait.. and wait..
So there's a chance (maybe a really good one) that both Louisville & Arizona are going to play this season without official sanctions etc. Basically rendering this a scandal TBD but there's still Basketball to be played and soon. Louisville lost their coach, big deal, won't stop them from winning games this year. Arizona lost their assistant, big deal won't stop them from winning games this year
Forbes lists Louisville #1 in value at 45.4 million, Arizona #10. Louisville is $15 million more valuable then #2 which happens to be KU. Fat chance either school puts a halt to their season without being told to do so, the cash cows make too much money even in a scandal to stop it prematurely.
I know things don't happen at a whim but we've heard very little from the NCAA about this so far..
looks like they did the right thing going to trial. Certainly it was a risk doing so.
For those that have more knowledge about this situation then I do, a few questions have popped up looking at conversation going back and forth.
What are the likely chances any of the people charged walk away from this without jail time?
It seems they got everyone on audio/video etc in the act. Is any of this circumstantial once it goes to court/trial etc? Seems how each person took different amounts of cash in this are their different levels for which the money will involve a more severe penalty?
Which leads me to Louisville and Arizona. Where the heck is the NCAA in deciding what's happening with their seasons? Maybe it's too soon but you'd think we would start hearing from them about this. Both have Top 10 teams currently and its not like the season in months away, its weeks. Pitino is gone, in comes Padgett.. Book is out at Arizona and there is some insinuating information that Miller was at least aware of his involvement. Are they really going to play this season after what has come out? If these programs are too be punished for what's happened then they better start deciding what's happening. Both teams have current players listed in the FBI report.
mayjay said:
@BeddieKU23 Grimes will maybe sign if he doesn't read this thread thinking it is about him.
We might need to start a We Want Grimes thread just to balance it out!
RockkChalkk said:
So... this thread is titled "Grimes"?
It's hidden but he'll be a jayhawk, at least, we hope, so.
Maryland's board trying to say maybe, sort of, but could, possibly, think about, committing to someone this week.
Matt saying
"Seeing how his dad is out of town for the rest of the week - it's highly doubtful it will be this week. Next week at the earliest."
Which idiot do we believe?
The one thing I'll give them (Maryland) is if the Dotson family wasn't trying to keep him home he would have been KU already. Since they are playing the stay close to home and making Aaron Wiggins as big of a factor in this situation it makes you think he's maybe going to choose being with his friend over his own decision. Why else would Maryland have been an option this late in the game if it wasn't that exactly. Maryland would have never been on his radar if his best friend wasn't going there and wasn't recruiting him to go with him.
KU and Florida did their work early, Florida bailed once he wasn't ready to commit to them and wait it out. KU has remained quiet on the recruiting front for other targets. They have said to Dotson and Grimes, the ball is in your court come here and play from day 1. Otherwise why would Self not be offering others and looking at option c's and d's (Dosonmu, Carey etc)..
take this for what its worth. IT'S a Maryland Fan slanting his opinion to Maryland, of course but he did deliver by asking for info from his "source". But apparently he's got a buddy close with the Dotson circle. How many of THOSE have we heard in the past 2 weeks... I don't think its any earth shattering information but he definitely tries to alleviate the concerns Maryland had while raising ones for Kansas that weren't really an issue before. It's funny how each side is playing the other card in this.
Update:
Just got off the phone with my buddy. As of this morning, a decision has yet to be made. Dotson is looking to commit by the end of the week, however his choice between MD and KU is still day-to-day. KU is NOT a lock, if his family had been sold on KU or Florida, there would have been no MD visit. My buddy also reiterated that Florida was unofficially out, prior to the Nembhard commitment.
In the MD OV this weekend, it seems that the staff was able to fully alleviate the concerns of Dotson playing with Cowan. They see the Melo-Cowan tandem last year as a model for how Dotson and Cowan would play. KU is providing heavy competition however. The only knock on KU is that Dotson doesn’t possess a relationship with anyone on the roster besides Devonte Graham, who will graduate this year. The addition of Wiggins to the MD class is one of the reasons why MD is still in it. A commitment from Ayala would likely knock MD out of Dotson’s recruitment, despite the staff’s efforts to tell the family that they could play together. KU’s staff has placed great emphasis on Dotson and Grimes being able to coexist, however Dotson’s family are not completely sold as of right now. The next few days will be interesting.
My prediction remains with Maryland.
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Heck of a rumor. If he ended up announcing friday without visiting Kentucky boy I'm sure the collective internet will open an investigation against us
The internet would implode. Twitter would crash.
The whole thing seems unlikely to me, but we can dream.
Definitely, we did as much as we could on the visit. Late Night had a crazy atmosphere. Lil Yachty is a perfect example of Self understanding what kids like today. We'll see how it goes!
What I think will happen is Zion won't announce (much to our dismay), he'll visit more schools including Kentucky for their Big Blue Madness which I'm sure UK will engineer it so Quickley is there as well. He hasn't taken his officials to either in-state school yet right or Duke? Duke probably is out after they land Barrett. Then Kentucky puts the pressure on Zion and his family..
Heck of a rumor. If he ended up announcing friday without visiting Kentucky boy I'm sure the collective internet will open an investigation against us
FarmerJayhawk said:
I feel really good about Grimes and Dotson signing with KU early.
Love the optimism. That was my feeling in the summer when AAU was going on and that was hotly debated here about which guards we'd land.
Self will get a x-mas card if he comes through here
Highly doubt the Zion one is true.
Dotson before the end of October.. Is he going to end his before Grimes visits KU or wait?? Has to be the biggest development we are waiting on at this point.
And if we land Grimes and not Dotson ultimately we are landing the best player. It will still suck that all that time was spent recruiting him and he didn't want to compete for a starting spot here. We will see, nothing is set in stone, he went to 2 visits and didn't rush to commit so honestly I can see them going back to the best school recruiting him. Just a weird recruitment from the outside
One time KU target Noah Locke will announce his decision tomm.
Important why? Because he's likely going to Florida.
While a lot of people like to put him in the "combo guard" role he's 6'2 and has limited options for position versatility. He might not be a natural PG but he's unlikely going to be a full-time SG in College I would think. Might throw a wrench into Dotson's plans...
It could happen. Maybe you see some guys hold out to see the fallout. It all depends on what those kids feel like doing. If any of them are scared the schools they are considering are at risk of getting in trouble I would definitely back off from any immediate plans.
If I was the two kids committed to Arizona I would definitely be looking at my options closely. There is no telling what the fall out for Sean Miller and the program will be with all those allegations they are facing. An Assistant coach is fired, one recruit was paid, at least 1 current player was paid. I wouldn't be making travel arrangements for Tuscon anytime soon if I was them. The same goes for USC. They have signed what 3-4 Top 100 kids and if any of them were recruited by the assistant I'd be looking elsewhere.
Just as staunchly one of my friends believes Garrett is a better PG option than Moore.
Your friend might be onto something. Garrett is a gem for this program. I mean Self probably could use him at 4 positions and he might be able to defend them all. We'll see though everyone looks good on paper before they get put in pressure situations. Given how he was coached, what we know about his character and his talents I think we will all be super happy Garrett isn't playing against us!
ESPN listed Langford and Grimes #8 and #9 in their way too early 2019 Draft board..
Yeah good luck seeing these kids past their 1 year
situational basketball is where I'm worried.
Doke foul trouble. Devonte foul trouble. Those 2 situations provide the most unknown right now.
Excited to see how this group blends in and digs in
Saw that too. I just can't imagine Self, Norm & Kurtis doing anything outside the lines intentionally. I think Howard is a good guy as well but he certainly hasn't earned that trust yet that the older guys have.
Landing Grimes and Langford and we sing his praises for years.
I feel the same with Dotson as well.
As weak as the 2018 class is overall these 3 guards are no question really good players. They are all option A type recruits. We landed potentially the best College 5 in the class and one of Top 5 4's in the class as well. That's some crazy good recruiting and relationships developed.
Hopefully it all works out, KU is due for this type of class that keeps us at the top
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark makes more sense. Not zeroing in on kids. Just offering based on basketball skill. If you wanna come here or adidas does their thing in the dark without him knowing he's not in any trouble.
Thing is they are clearly targeting assistant coaches and head coaches are either in the dark or aware and it is an agreement that the assistant coach will just be the fall guy.
Yep yep yep. If KU coaches are not involved we should be fine. That's what I'm hoping for and I've actually heard some good things in that regard.
Same unless you are a Terrapin fan. They have no 80+ pages going and an absolute obsession that we are paying everyone
Lol Maryland fans. I have no doubt KU has landed some guys that got paid by Adidas. Seems like a lot of players get paid. If it's just pick an Adidas school and KU wins out, I don't think KU or the coaches can be faulted, by the FBI or the NCAA for that matter. What is the NCAA gonna do? Ban every school?
You know one thing that is really nice? Having walk-ons on the team with rich parents. :money_with_wings:
I'm sure money has changed hands, it just seems naive to believe otherwise at this point. I do however believe Self is a good person and I don't believe he has the personality to go that direction by his own doing. I could find out later I'm completely wrong but I do believe he's one of the few that keeps it clean on his end. If Adidas has helped us in the past I'm sure Nike and Under Armour have the same guilt in their closet.
This situation reminds me of the steroid era in Baseball. Everyone knew it was happening for years upon years and nobody cared until it blew up and some really good baseball players went down for it. Baseball let it happen but then cried out loud when they had to do something about it. This to me is the same in College Basketball. NCAA didn't have the authority to crack open the cheating/bribes/money funneling in and out for players, families etc but they knew it was there. As long as it didn't interrupt the cash cow they were never going to do anything and with their limited power they had some deniability to ever do so. The FBI gets involved and the NCAA has its pants down. Now they have to clean up the mess that is left in its wake.
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark makes more sense. Not zeroing in on kids. Just offering based on basketball skill. If you wanna come here or adidas does their thing in the dark without him knowing he's not in any trouble.
Thing is they are clearly targeting assistant coaches and head coaches are either in the dark or aware and it is an agreement that the assistant coach will just be the fall guy.
Yep yep yep. If KU coaches are not involved we should be fine. That's what I'm hoping for and I've actually heard some good things in that regard.
Same unless you are a Terrapin fan. They have no 80+ pages going and an absolute obsession that we are paying everyone
jayballer54 said:
hmmmm, wonder if Greg Marshal would Coach Louisville? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
If Louisville allows beer sales during games his wife has already packed his bags
I prefer Grimes but these two guys might end up being a splitting hairs type deal. The edge for Grimes with me is the ability to play both guard positions which is a need for next years team. I think they are both going into College with intentions of being OAD's
Looks like the news trail is slowing downnn. Now we wait for the random news report..
KUSTEVE said:
@JayHawkFanToo We're waiting for his handlers to give us his final price to sign....BWHAHAHAHA !!!!
sarc/ on.
Chances are he'll have to get his money from someone other then James Gatto. Oooo
Surprised the Arizona players haven't been confirmed yet. Seems how Book recruited the east Rawle Alkins, Brandon Randolph would fit that description. Randolph landing at Arizona always seemed to be out of place to me
Alkins is out 3-4 months with a broken foot now too. I'll be surprised if Ayton isn't linked to something like the ASM thing.
"For those wondering about the FBI report's coding...Courtesy of the Phog
Universities:
1 - Auburn
2 - South Carolina
3 - Oklahoma State
4 - Arizona
5 - USC
6 - Louisville
7 - Miami (FL)
Players
1 - Likely Mustapha Heron, Auburn
2 - Likely Austin Wiley OR Danjel Purifoy, Auburn
3 - P.J. Dozier, NBA via South Carolina
4 - Jeffrey Carroll, NBA via Oklahoma State
5 - Jahvon Quinerly, Arizona commit
6 - unspecified Arizona player
7 - unspecified Arizona player
8 - Charles O'Bannon Jr., USC
9 - De'Anthony Melton, USC
10 - Brian Bowen, Louisville
11 - Balsa Koprivica, Louisville target
12 - Nassir Little, Miami target"
Is there anything they are looking into as far as Miss St?
Seems like fans just throwing darts at the board and picking any kid. Malik's father was an alum at Miss St..
I know that is a roster chalk full of "how the heck did these Top 100 kids land here" So it certainly fits the bill, like Auburn did in that regard
Not concerned about Selby seems how the NCAA already derailed him 7 years ago.
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
So if its not Little then its Quickley right?
what is going on here..
The player in the report was always Little. Quickley is just speculation at the moment. I think I mentioned that at the time but this is all becoming a blur.
So then I don't understand why they are trying to say it's not them. Its the frickin FBI, they are not trolling people.
That was great!
Looks like October going to be a big month on the guards.
Dotson likely to decide soon.
Grimes visits the 13th. Staff has been to see him multiple times already
Langford comes the 28th. Another the staff has been out to see.
I think its only a matter of waiting it out, I can't imagine we are going 0-3 here
I think Evans said he left for Oklahoma St for more money opportunities in the scheme.
Juwan Evans could have been one of those reasons..
BShark said:
@Kcmatt7 Rumours flying that KU will be named today. Not from anywhere substantial yet though. So maybe just jealousy and trolls.
Definitely trolling. Crazy times we are in
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Where are you going with in regards to that?
Rumours flying that FBI is digging particularly deep into the Baltimore area. Not sure what the statute of limitations is, but that was one that definitely didn't smell right. Hopefully KU is clean that far back.
So are you talking about Selby?