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approxinfinity said:

@DoubleDD the part of changing society that is currently troubling me is that our democracy depends on sort of an organic opinion from it's voters. Think time of our founding fathers and how information disseminated and individuals formed their opinions. Now opinions are fabricated. Consciousness is more collective. Something needs to protect us from being used. Our educational system doesn't teach us to think for ourselves. It needs to.

I fear we are racing toward a nuclear hollocaust and don't quite grasp how fragile and currently flawed everything is. We need to be interconnected. I like predictable interlocked economies and relationships. No loose cannons. It's far better for humanity to be globalist than nationalist (this is more about our trade policies than our immigration, but also immigration). Aren't we all in this together? War between nuclear powers is scary stuff, isn't it?

I get what your saying and yes especially on your point of how we teach our children. I'm not sold on a nuclear holocaust though. I just don't see it happening. (Well I do think that Israel and it's people will be nuked at some point.) But I do see civil unrest in the population. There used to be a time when debates and conservations where had among the greatest minds and the regular average joes. It was celebrated. Now it's about just winning.

It appears that our leaders are more concerned about keeping their cushy government jobs, than just being a public servant. Just doing what is right. It appears to me all they care about is getting reelected.

Yea in this day in age somebody would say or report something, and I'm sure some bad things have happened. Its a tough issue. I never like the idea of separating children from their parents, but it does happen under American law. Plus in some ways as sad as it is it needs to happen. In some cases

Though I do agree with you in this point. As technology keeps advancing at some point humanity and how we do things will have to change. The current systems won't work. As there will be no jobs for people to work and no money to be made by the Rich.

As for being a globalist count me out. I've seen how the UN works. America picks up the bill with resources, and the lives of our sons and daughters.

approxinfinity said:

@DoubleDD what is wrong with being a globalist? I like people unless I have a reason not to. What's wrong with that? You act like it's a dirty word.

You didn't answer my question?

Also here is a link to answer your question. Not my best work, but to be honest I'm kind of tiring of politics. Common sense has gone out the window.

For some reason no real numbers have been kept ↗

approxinfinity said:

@DoubleDD Obama didn't separate children from their parents with no means of reuniting them.

And yes, I do think people from other countries should be able to walk in whenever they want unless there is a compelling reason they should not be allowed to do so. I'm a globalist.

Well actually he did separate Children from their parents. A proven fact. Many of the facilities that house these separated children were indeed built under the Obama administration another proven fact. It's not really a Obama or Trump issue it's just the law, and the last fact?

Oh I know your a globalist. Believe me I know. So what if this caravan wasn't just a few thousand but millions? Would you still feel the same way? Do you think the US economy could handle it? Or is that apart of the Global mindset? To break the US economy? So those that think like you can usher in a new world order?

mayjay said:

@DoubleDD USA law, as does international law, gives them the right to apply for asylum as refugees. That is what Trump is pledging to prevent them from doing. Thus, the lawsuits, not a claim to be citizens.

Most countries in our hemisphere recognize birthright citizenship. About 36 altogether do, at last count, I believe.

Yea but under international law aren't refugees supposed seek asylum in the next closet country?

Also has the definition of refugee changed or is it viewed in a different light by the international community? As I was always under the impression that a refugee was considered to be fleeing a war torn country, or mass starvation.

I'm starting to get this feeling that Immigrants can just walk into our country anytime they want, without any penalty, or being refused.

Is this the new America?

justanotherfan said:

@DoubleDD

Apparently you don't understand irony and sarcasm.

A lot of people have said that various "other" groups should be banned or subjected to more scrutiny because of incidents, be it a Muslim ban, or the "Papers please" thing in Arizona, or police stopping minority males, etc. And in each case, the argument is that this additional scrutiny is not racist, but is based on things like safety and a threat to the public.

But when that additional scrutiny is pointed at a group that is not traditionally marginalized, then there is outcry about reverse racism. Now, I am not saying that you personally have done the former. I cannot remember you ever doing that. But it has been done, and it has been done by others on this very board. I don't think we need a "white guy" ban, but I also don't think we need a Muslim ban, or Papers please or to follow young minority males.

But it is funny that a lot of people that are upset about Don Lemon uttering those words also cheered when then Candidate Trump talked about banning Muslims.

We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal...

OH so you think there should be a white man ban? And you're not a racist? What do you want? equality or privilege?

approxinfinity said:

@JayHawkFanToo It seems like a chicken and egg scenario if you take the Constitution literally. If they're birthright citizens, then they're subject to the jurisdiction of the US, if they're not, then they're not. But at the time of birth, they're neither subject to it nor not subject to it.

Doesn't this ambiguity stem from states not having consistent rules at the time of the Constitution, regarding birthright citizenship?

United States v. Wong Kim Ark is established federal law that addressed how to interpret that exact phrase "subject to the jurisdiction of".

The concept of birthright citizenship wasn't invented in the United States. Jus soli (right of the soil) was English common law and Roman law before that (thank you, wikipedia).

Man I just watched somebody on Fox talk about the rights of these Immigrants. I know you hate Fox. yet some of these immigrants in this caravan have hired lawyers to sue the US government for infringing on their rights to become American citizens. So my question is the US constitution the law of the world. If so do citizens over in other countries have rights to America? So much rights they can just walk in when ever they want? That somehow America has no right to protect their borders.

Is this what you believe? Or is that your only ok when a Dem president is hard on Illegal Immigrants? As Obama was harder on Illegal Immigrants sneaking into our country, than Trump ever thought about being. I'm just curious.

Also why is it when Obama was president you were ok with separating children from their parents, yet you said nothing. Yet now that Trump is president you have a huge problem? You speak loudly. Obama separated more Latino families than Trump could ever dream of, even if he his the racist you make him out to be. Yet you had no problem with it when Obama was president?

What gives?

What gives? Is it just because it was a Rep president? So when a Dem president does it? you're ok? But when a
rep president does it, You scream bloody murder?

Way to be fair and balanced.

I would like to know why this topic was moved to the political section. It wasn't about Dem versus Rep . So why was it moved? It was me showing respect to a American Woman.

approxinfinity said:

Let me backtrack. I'm trying to say there are serious issues embedded in what she's saying but the conclusion to attack the left is because she's bought off.

No you shared what you felt. It's cool beans. This is what this about right?

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@DoubleDD I think she's perfect for you!

Well thank You. Not that I have to worry about it as I'm happily married. Yet I could understand the confusion of young men today trying to hook up with a Liberal woman today. As they are so politically correct. So @Crimsonorblue22 what gender do you identify as. Male or female? I mean I don't won't to be respectful. You could look like a female, even smile like one, Yet maybe you feel like a man? And under your liberal logic I have to respect that you think your a man.

I know have no chance but if I wasn't married I would be in love. Yet I know She is out of my league. Damn Girl has fire.

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Don't mess with this American lady.

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You may disagree with her thoughts, but you have to respect what she is saying.

Speaking of Lemon

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Now that's some fair and truthful reporting.

When are you cats going to wake up? Trump is using a political ploy to rile his base to come out and vote.

Before the ink is even dry on his executive order some judge will put a stay on his executive order.

This debate has gone back for over a hundred years. So many don't even know the truth about Ellis Island. Not anybody could get in. Hell Immigrants were given two examinations before they could get into the country. One before they even got on the boat to come over to America. They only thing that has changed is some believe we should just have open borders. Thereby just letting anybody and everybody in. Back then a back ground check of some sort was agreed by all.

Really guys calm down.

Hey give me a sec I need to talk to my wife and smoke a cig. If your still up we can continue. if not have a good night.

approxinfinity said:

@DoubleDD that's because the things that Fox News says are verifiably BS, and they're so in bed with Trump they make Russian hookers look tame.

Just like the liberal media can't give him any credit for anything.

approxinfinity said:

@DoubleDD I don't think you're wrong about the double standard regarding racial politics, or that the Democrats had a heavy hand to play in "creating" Trump. But Trump goes way beyond just seeking equality regarding race politics. He's a hate monger.

I don't think he is a hate monger but I do see your point in that regard. I just don't think he plays political correctness. He just says what's on his mind. Which agree can be taken the wrong way.

@BShark

No argument but that's not the point. Why is it ok for the Dem party to tap into a certain group of sex, color, and so on. Yet when Trump taped into the White man race he played a race card?

mayjay said:

@BShark We can all go running to our safe place together--the real world.

OH so @approxinfinity comes out to play now you come out of your safe place. LOL

@BShark

Yet you think Trump playing into the White man vote is racist, but you have no problem with the Dem party playing into the Black, Gay, Woman, and latino vote. You don't see that is racist?

@approxinfinity

YOu always want evidence and facts. Ever notice it has to be from the websites and news channels you tap into?

approxinfinity said:

@DoubleDD I don't think you will. Sorry man. I just don't think you would give a liberal candidate a chance, even if he/she were the better option.

I don't watch MSNBC, or CNN. I watched a little CNN during the Hurricane so I could make fun of their reporting. That's about it.

You've never voted for a rep/conservative in your life and your telling me what and how I would vote? Really? Please lets try to be fair. You're as closed minded as they come.

BShark said:

Am I upset that he tapped the racist, Nazi vote? Yes I would say that I am.

Obviously not all white people are racist Nazis. Trump absolutely operated on that platform though.

Really? There is like 500 Nazi in the whole country. Wake up the KKK is dead. The Dem party created Trump. As they attacked white men. Like somehow white me are racist just because of the color of our skin. Just like the Black Americans rose up and won their freedom so will White Americans rise up against this Dem perception that if your a white an your a sexist and racist.

approxinfinity said:

@DoubleDD i was being serious. The way you defend Trump I would have assumed you thought Obama was the Devil.

I hope that you are still someone who might vote for the next candidate that isn't endorsed by Fox if they are the better candidate.

Oh I always vote for the best candidate, but I'm sure we can count on you Msnbc/Cnn Dem candidate regardless of what they say.

approxinfinity said:

You voted for Obama? Man, have you considered that you might have changed a lot since then?

No sarcasm needed. You can join @mayjay in that safe place if you want. I voted for Obama because I thought he was the better candidate in his second term.

BShark said:

@DoubleDD He is the leader of this country and his campaign ran on divisiveness and white supremacy. The country is now reaping what they sowed when he won the election. Domestic terrorism has been more prevalent than ever under Trump, in part because he's been encouraging it.

I'm not blaming him for everything, but he is the POTUS and ran on a dangerous and embarrassing platform.

Does not the Dem party preach on the Black vote, the Woman vote, The Latino vote and so on. So are you upset that Trump tapped into the Midwest vote that is mostly white?

@BShark

I"m sorry I didn't mean it like that. Just I think it's crazy to blame one person or party for everything.

I wasn't a big fan of Obama but I didn't blame him for everything and I voted for him in his second term.

Is he guilty of some things sure, but is he to blame for everything? I don't think so.

At some point a person says come on.

Lets keep in mind Trump has gotten blamed and accused of everything under the sun?

Ok explain why?

BShark said:

Trump has used stirring up hate and divisiveness as his platform, so I do think it is fair to say he played a role in some of the recent events. You can't shake up a soda can and then say oh it's not my fault when it sprays everywhere.

Fair enough but you don't think the Dem party doesn't deserve some of the blame?

mayjay said:

@BShark @approxinfinity Somebody please, dear God, close this thread. It is just painful.

Close the thread @mayjay needs his safe place.

mayjay said:

@DoubleDD Your little group of extremists includes Nazis NOW. If you want to go back to the Dems in the 1800's and the 30's enjoy the trip.

You posted originally: "Not one Rep/conservative blamed Bernie Sanders or the Dem party." So the NBC article, which isn't mainstream enough for you, refutes that. Just admit you forgot, or just keep embarrassing yourself. I am done with anyone who cannot see all those Trump stickers on the MAGAbomber's van.

Oh I see your still avoiding the question? Ok I'll start. I love that Obama Care brought about that Insurances companies can't preclude those with preexisting conditions. A worthy and noble fight that should be considered when voting.

Now your turn? Yea that's what I thought. If you and your Dem party cared so much about the Black Americans of this country why can't you just be happy that we finally have a president that has lowered the unemployment rate of Black Americans to the lowest rate in the history of this country?

Still no go? Yea that's what I thought.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@DoubleDD good gosh you are crazy!

OH and your of a sound mind? Now just do what your told.

@Bshark

I apologize as I think you really wanted to have a honest debate.

This guy is crap and deserves the death penalty in my thoughts.

@mayjay you still didn't answer the question? Why can't you give props when they are deserved? Black unemployment is the lowest in the history of this country. Under Trumps watch. Why can't you be happy about it? Why because it wasn't your party and your leaders? I"m so tired of people like you throwing around Nazism and KKK when it comes to the Republican party. What about the Dem party? Wasn't Communist backing the Dem party and their flavor? What you forget old Uncle Joe? The man that killed more people than Hitler. Does not history show that the Dem party was the party of slavery? Did we not see Hillary your parties girl have so much respect for a KKK leader? Yea you like to dish it out but you don't like to take it. Do you need to go to that safe place?

Show me one link where Obama got blamed for Steve Scalise. And don't come up with some way crazy web link. Try to stay main stream. Can you do that?

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@DoubleDD language!

Why? This guy was a douche bag. Lets call it for what it is.

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Yea @mayjay That is Steve Scalise shot by a crazy Bernie Sanders Lib.

Not one Rep/conservative blamed Bernie Sanders or the Dem party. Yet here we are now and Trump and his voters are getting blamed for a crazy person that sent out a bunch of so called bombs.

Oh please tell me again how we need to check ourselves? Maybe I just need to drink the koolade your drinking?

Noticed how this terrorist that did this went from facing 68 years in prison to 58 to now 48 years? What's going on. I wouldn't be surprised if this douche bad walks free.

mayjay said:

@KUSTEVE There is no equivalency here. Let's see, one Republican was shot, and a few have gotten shouted at. On the other side, a democrat was shot in AZ, a right winger attacked a DC pizzaria accused by unhinged RWers of being a Clinton pedophilia center, a RWer killed a peaceful marcher in Charlottesville, anti-abortion RWers have bombed clinics and killed doctors and nurses, the President praises a campaign staffer for criminal assault on a journalist while the world stands horrified by a journalist's assassination, and he has also encouraged police brutality in arrests during a time of horrible upheaval due to police killings of unarmed suspects and even innocent people in their own houses. And that is just part of it. When you notice you are on the side of the guys carrying Nazi flags, it might be time to step back and examine what in the hell you are doing.

Really? You have Liberals running around dressed up as ninjas with pack packs full of batteries disturbing those that disagree with them? OH but they are peace free speech loving people. And when was the last time a Liberal was banned from a college from speaking? Shall I go on. When have you seen a Liberal been attacked while they are trying to eat a peaceful dinner?

Oh you want to bring up Nazi flags. Um do some homework your Dem party was the party of slavery. Your party could care less about the black Americans of this country. Just as long as the vote Dem. OH see Trump lowest black unemployment in the history of this country? Yet no ok maybe he not a racist? Nope. Spare me your Nazi talk. See above about free speech. It isn't Conservatives that are blocking free speech.

All you have is some crazy fuck that mailed a bunch bombs than had no chance of going off.

bcjayhawk said:

Suspect in custody:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/cesar-sayoc-jr-alleged-mail-bomber-threatened-democrats-on-twitter?source=articles&via=rss ↗

Seems to be quite the dedicated Trump supporter.

You mean like the shooter that was A Bernie supporter that unloaded and shot a Republican representative at a base ball game? You mean like that kind of supporter?

cragarhawk said:

@DoubleDD ya that's completely not the point. I didn't see you nor anyone else saying that type of thing before. Even though I admit there were probably a few that were saying the same then as now. Largely... Meaning for most fans. The narrative has suddenly changed. Plain and simple.

And you cant count me as 1 fan who will still be in support if we lose and are 💯 above board while most others aren't. There may not be alot. But there's for damn sure 1.

It doesn't matter. Wait for the other trials and lets see if you still feel the same way?

Shit we should be thanking HCBS doing everything in his power to keep KU at the top.

Jesus how many players has he sit on the bench?

HighEliteMajor said:

@DoubleDD If only it were the end of the discussion ...

You said, "Sadly KU fans as a whole feel the same way as you @HighEliteMajor. They want all this greatness but by following the rules."

Yea, quite the unreasonable demand. Integrity. Honesty. Pie in the sky stuff.

Not sure why I should be disappointed in myself. I'm not a liar and a cheater.

Yet you'll be the first one leading the charge of getting a KU HC getting fired if they don't deliver on the court.

You expect a KU Coach to play by the rules and deliver Final 4's and NC's year after year. Not one time will you say, "but they play by the rules".

What you don't think Duke, Kentucky, and UNC don't cheat? Yet you expect a KU HC to play by the rules yet stay on top of the College basketball world.

Who is a head case here?

@cragarhawk

I still think HCBS is Clean? Why not? If it's what it takes to be the best? If there was indeed wrong doing on his part. The narrative hasn't really changed.

The only thing that has changed is the KU fan base mindset. So many are starting to see what it takes to stay at the top.

Not one KU fan would defend HCBS if he couldn't win the Big 12 Conference more than once in a three year period. Or even worse didn't even make the tournament.

No one KU fan would be like yea but he runs a clean program. Not one.

The evidence that is being put out isn't a KU thing. It's a College Basketball thing. So why bash a great Coach for doing what all us KU fans want. A winner.

So if Bill Self played it straight, played by the rules. Then lost a lot more games and disappointed even more in the tournament. None of you of would be like yea but HCBS plays by the rules. No everybody would be screaming it's time to go. What do you expect? What are you expectations?

Hey HCBS you need to get five kids from the wheat fields of Kansas and go win a NC. Crazy?

Oh and get out of the Big 12. Texas and Kstate suck