@DoubleDD no, that is poor perimeter D and a result of the wing not seeing ball and man.
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@BShark its mostly about foot quickness lateraly. At times, we have seen Svi do that well, but many times he is slow to react.
@DoubleDD do you mean one on one defense in the post?
@BShark I see your point but not sure I agree. We have very good athletes that just need to move their feet faster and have a little more pride.
@betterfireE your are correct. Svi is supposedly a great shooter, so he has to make open shots. VIck needs to be more active on the glass and not get continually burned by a back cut. Bragg has to play tougher - he needs something to make him mad so he won't play soft - only he probably knows what that is. Free throws won't lose a tournament game, IMO. It will be because we play terrible defense and have a slow start. There are teams better than OSU in the tournament that will take advantage of that.
@DanR is that Carrol?
@BeddieKU23 no I'm Mr. Negative. I tell the facts and the hard truth so that means I'm negative. LOL
@BeddieKU23 I know you don't like it, but poor perimeter D did it again
sigh
Man we've got to make some shots.
Svi is cold today
Nice quick move by Landen. Excellent
@Bwag could be both. We all see the same things happening every game
No defense again
@BShark said:
@HawkInMizery said:
why do we keep getting off to these slow starts?
OSU looked like they wanted this game a lot more to start.
That's what is frustrating.
@Bwag I don't know but we are talking about guys that have significant experience with him and yet make mistakes like that. Puzzling for sure
Why wasn't Svi covering Forte? Dang, I hate it when they over help
@Eric-san depends on which team shows up.
@BeddieKU23 so it is ok to let your man blow right by? Oh ok, I thought that was a bad thing. My bad. lol
@BShark I here you but that is just a crutch for our perimeter players. They need to wake up and move their feet faster
@BeddieKU23 lol? He gets burned every game - and he is a junior.
Can our guards really not keep their man in front of them? Really?
Graham got burned...again
Silly foul by Josh
Game finally over!! Yeah!!!
@BShark Maybe so. I still wonder what is going on in Carlton's mind. He needs to make playing the post personal for him. He needs to play with a "take no crap" attitude instead of what he's doing now.
@BShark I agree but there is no reason it should be. We have five guys back that played in the elite eight and nearly pulled it off.
@BeddieKU23 off the ledge? I don't understand it when a team gets beat because they don't give enough effort. That is unacceptable. OSU, as usual, was ready to go. Our guys don't seem to be
@BeddieKU23 what an embarrasing start. Carolina beat these yahoos by 30. Every time we play them we make them look like a top ten team. Zero pride from our guys. Do they honestly think they can play like this on Monday in Ames?
@BShark that's a good recipe for a first weekend exit in March. There is no visible concern from them
@BShark defense just isn't important to our guys.
I think this team is incapable of having a strong start.
@Crimsonorblue22 I'm fine with that.
@BShark I agree about our class. Cunliffe helps but we need two or three more
@BeddieKU23 is that for 2017?
@jaybate-1.0 starts fast - it depends on what you think is fast. Did we start fast this year? In 2012? In 2009? I certainly hope that we have not seen the best from this team and that it will come down the road. Everything else I agree with in terms of the process and how they practice.
@jaybate-1.0 No, I understand exactly what you are saying and what you are proposing, while nice, does not seem to be what occurs at the university of Kansas during their most successful post seasons. There is no denying the 2009 and 2012 teams improved and were playing great at the right time. Teams and individuals can get better over the course of a year and is determined by their potential. Look at Carolina. Have they steadily improved since Maui? The eye test says no. It is always a good idea to be playing your best at the end of the year. Team chemistry and synergy should improve as well and reach a high level at the right time.
Again, your argument makes sense on paper and is true for some teams of course, but Selfs teams do best when they start slow and put it all together in March. I am not arguing whether it has or hasnt worked for you in your personal life or how it has worked in mine but just commenting on the overall trend under Self.
@jaybate-1.0 yes but thats not what Im talking about. I'm referring to the media love for teams that have quick starts and look "march ready". After Maui, Bilas was saying that Carolina was farther along than last years team was at the same point. But what does that give you? Do you get a trophy for that? As long as you dont rack up a bunch of losses, it doesnt hurt to have a steady upward trajectory and stay under the radar.
I want a strong start as much as anybody, but our most successful teams in March (08, 12, and to an extent last year) all improved throughout the year and got better and better. The 09 team could be another example of a team that improved and was a few plays away from the elite eight. The 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014 and 2015 teams did not really have that same trajectory. So, to me at least, it seems that Bill's teams perform the best in march after they steadily gain cohesiveness during the course of the season.
@BShark wow really? I would have gone with the multi year skilled guy. He has good size and girth also. People will say "yeah but hindsight is 20/20". Not here. Diallo was known to be raw and he is not a real inside player like Davis. And then people (including me) complain about our inside play. Have to get the right guys, not just highly ranked ones.
@BShark man why didn't Davis choose us? Much better choice over Diallo who just wanted to shoot jumpers.
We need to get another big guy. People have been talking the last few years about our lack of post play but yet we normally don't get 6-10 or 6-11 guys like TJ Leaf or Tony Bradley. I know we got Diallo and Carlton but they are not like Isaiah Hicks or Kennedy Meeks. We need to big multi year players instead of "project" players. Is there really only one available right now?
@Crimsonorblue22 danke!
Most likely, Carlton is still trying to figure out how to do what Self and the staff are expecting of him. That coupled with a different style of play than last year and we have the confusion that Carlton is experiencing. I do think it is entirely within the realm of possibility that he figures out how he is going to go about his role. Like slayer has been saying, he is having a lot thrown at him and he needs time to digest all of it. I do not think that he is incapable of performing better nor is he inept.
Back when I was playing, I had a situation where I switched schools and played for two different teams in as many years. With all new players, coaches, personnel and philosophies, it was hard through the first few months to get adjusted to everything. But I always played my best at the end of season in February and March and in one tournament I was co MVP.
In short, there is no reward for starting the season well. You don't get a bye game in the tournament or any bonus points because you didn't lose a game in November. We saw the same thing last year with Landen. Everyone was upset with Self and called for his benching, yet he started to figure out his role in the post and made his bunnies. I will be patient with Carlton.
@BeddieKU23 thanks
@Statmachine never heard of him. Position? Size? Can he shoot well?
@nuleafjhawk wouldn't that be classic?!?!
@drgnslayr "Really... if we can't beat WVU this year in Morgantown, will we ever win there again?"
I would say no, not in the foreseeable future.
@drgnslayr remember the play last night in the second half where Frank saw an opening down court and just flew down the court in a flash? Who does west Virginia have that can stay in front of him?
@JayHawkFanToo great example though I would argue west Virginia will be a tougher task than UAB. but the principle is still the same.
@drgnslayr yeah, the attention should be on beating West Virginia and not earning Huggy bears extra spending money for him. I think we will lose at Kentucky but that won't affect our seeding very much. Tough road wins in conference will impact not only out seeding but the confidence of our players in winning at places we normally lose.