@approxinfinity ok I will.
@approxinfinity I haven't but I heard it's great. I'll have to make sure to do that. Have you seen the Shield? Michael Chicklis is a dirty LA detective with a squad that works with him. Really intense. Well worth the time if you can find it.
@Kcmatt7 At the core, this starts with acknowledging the problem. That’s the impasse. Until the problem is ID’d and acknowledged, you can’t attack it. The fact is it is an inner city culture of violence. Changing culture takes a long time.
First identify “inner city safety zones.”
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Public steps to involve the churches and faiths. Get people to church in these zones. The church is a huge factor in turning this around.
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Public steps to encourage and foster marriage. Inner city safety zones that reward folks for marriage and self sufficiency. But more, public efforts to discuss and call out the “baby mama” culture. This is the real enemy. 75% single mother births among blacks. Worse among inner city blacks. Much higher than other races or cultures.
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The president has to take the lead. I felt Obama missed an historic opportunity. Trump obviously can’t do it. We need another president to make this job one. The first domestic priority. The one where the most lives are lost/destroyed.
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Have special inner city safety zone courts that expedite prosecutions, warrants, and labeling of threats.
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We have hate crime legislation that leads to outrageous results. Use that logic. Huge sentences for crimes in inner city zones were the real violence is occurring. Drive by and shoot a little black child on a porch, life in prison regardless of whether there is a death. Wear a mask in a crime, 5 more years. Robbery, any kind, 40 years. Develop a ridiculously strict sentencing structure for inner city safety zones.
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Inner city gang affiliation prosecuted as RICO crimes. Increase sentences for inner city safety zones. You go to jail for being in a criminal gang. Just for affiliation.
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Stop and frisk permitted in inner city zones of all males. Horrible? Discriminatory? Yes on both counts. Too bad. Males are 95% of the problem.
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If you have a felony conviction for anything violent, or you are an ID’d gang member by the safety zone courts, inner city zone warrants automatically issued for random searches of home and auto. Inner city courts can order drug treatment without a trial. 90 day commitments.
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In inner city safety zones, curfews strictly enforced. Cars pulled over after 10:00. People off the streets. Only to and from work and a few other exceptions. Businesses close at 9:00.
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Posting of army style officers that walk a beat in these areas. In pairs. No female cops in these areas. No male cops under 200 pounds. Much higher pay. Elite training. Federal involvement in supporting/training.
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Air surveillance, like a war zone.
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Massive use of food kitchens. Free meals in all inner city safety zones. No one starves. No one steals for food. Involvement of churches is a must.
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Partnership program for schools with suburban districts. Vouchers (money) for "tuition" and transport. Partnership programs include working families so inner city kids can live with suburban families during the week and attend school there. Work with the suburban private schools too.
These are tax dollars I’m willing to pay.
Of course, this is all discriminatory. I want to discriminate IN FAVOR of protecting good inner city folks. I noticed that over 70% of Baltimore residents were in favor of police air surveillance while the ACLU says it's discriminatory. That should tell everyone something. The majority of inner city folks aren't part of the culture. They want safety, security, and the ability to succeed.
These thugs are the enemy. Try to change their hearts and minds, but attack the criminals is they won’t change. Culture change takes time.
This isn’t perfect. It’s a discussion point. I am just sickened by the violence and the loss of lives that no one values.
Just off the top of my head. I know, impossible. But you asked.
@approxinfinity You are right on point.
See what Rahm Emanuel said and faced when he spoke the truth -
And then the next mayor blames the police -
And here’s the suspect arrested for the mass shooting of 13 in Chicago. National outrage or just another night in the inner city?
Mass shooting in New Orleans. First link. Did those just arrested make national news? Second link. If this was a park in a suburb Democratic candidates would be screaming for guns and Republicans would be asking for prayers.
We have to take this carnage seriously.
@jhawk7782 No problem — I’m never a d***. 🤔
I truly don’t think anyone needs protecting. There are no “victims” of the NCAA. It’s simple. If the NCAA, its rules, its warts, aren’t worth it, don’t accept a scholarship.
All races, all cultures, all types of people kill and maim. The worst killers in the history of the world were Hitler and Stalin.
The issue is America and the spot where there is pervasive, out of control violence. The inner cities.
There was a mass shooting in Chicago. 13 shot. If this were a restaurant in Overland Park, it would be the headline of all national news. #prayforOP, right?
But in the inner city we accept it. We refuse to blame the people who kill and maim and the culture that creates/supports it.
@Crimsonorblue22 Thanks for the link. It highlights how few incidents of that sort of stuff actually occurs in a country of 327 million people. It helps demonstrate how the nightly slaughter in our inner cities is much different than isolated violence.
@FarmerJayhawk They were 38.2% before our game. That’s in the top 25 of all D-1 schools. Bold emphasizes your purposeful misrepresentation.
Who on this planet can rationally think that giving up open three looks as part of a defensive strategy against Villanova is advisable?
Well two I guess. You and Self. Removing the word rationally.
FarmerJayhawk said:
HighEliteMajor said:
@FarmerJayhawk Our three point defense is ridiculously bad. There's a difference in what you've said. Bill Self has gambled that folks will shoot a low percentage from three. We know that. I agree completely. Results matter - the only result I care about is if we win that national title. That's it. 1988 we lost double digit games yet we remember that year much more fondly than any other years (but for 2008). The ultimate pain of losing in the tourney is devastating when we have NC quality roster. And what I've seen over the years is that Bill Self finds a way to sabotage our attempts to win a FF. Whether it be refusing to permit three point attempts, playing the same style of play after a big injury (Embiid), refusal to adjust to a team taking player away (Ellis), choosing to play a low level talent (then contradicting himself in later years about letting better talent play to develop), relying on security blankets (Brady, Traylor), and the ever present refusal to adjust.
The three point defense and refusal to prioritize to adjust to the current game is professional negligence.
That said, Bill Self is the single biggest reason we are an incredibly successful program. Without him getting us there, those items that stop us (in my little mind) from getting to the promised land (a NC) may not matter.
Our difference re: Nova is that I think allowing them to bomb away from 3 was the right call. They don’t shoot it well from there but are really good at action to get easy 2’s.
I’ll be very interested in how we defend Stanford, who is an elite shooting team at all levels.
That is just beyond crazy. Not sure what you’re talking about. Nova is excellent at 3 point shooting. Villanova was shooting OVER 38% and ranked 25th in the NATION in 3 point percentage going into the game yesterday.
Bey, Swider and Moore were all over 40% going into yesterday. Those guys, by the grace of God, went 4-16 on largely open attempts.
This further highlights the complete foolishness of our defensive approach.
By consequence you agree with this statement because you were supporting leaving three point shooters alone, because you presumed they weren’t good. Thus I assume the opposite is true.
@FarmerJayhawk Our three point defense is ridiculously bad. There's a difference in what you've said. Bill Self has gambled that folks will shoot a low percentage from three. We know that. I agree completely. Results matter - the only result I care about is if we win that national title. That's it. 1988 we lost double digit games yet we remember that year much more fondly than any other years (but for 2008). The ultimate pain of losing in the tourney is devastating when we have NC quality roster. And what I've seen over the years is that Bill Self finds a way to sabotage our attempts to win a FF. Whether it be refusing to permit three point attempts, playing the same style of play after a big injury (Embiid), refusal to adjust to a team taking player away (Ellis), choosing to play a low level talent (then contradicting himself in later years about letting better talent play to develop), relying on security blankets (Brady, Traylor), and the ever present refusal to adjust.
The three point defense and refusal to prioritize to adjust to the current game is professional negligence.
That said, Bill Self is the single biggest reason we are an incredibly successful program. Without him getting us there, those items that stop us (in my little mind) from getting to the promised land (a NC) may not matter.
Sad. When will the real problem be addressed.
The best thing a PG can do with his ball in his hands late is to focus on creating a shot for another player with taking an open layup or opportunity if it presents itself. Dotson seemed focused on trying to score. In a final possession moment, that is the wrong focus. I think most coaches would agree with that. I'd have rather seen him drive at Agbaji's defender and try to get him a relatively open shot or drive opportunity.
Actually, I'd rather see us run a set play. But I've been on that gripe for years. You know, one of those set plays that leads to a dunk, an open shot, or dish to the hoop.
@jhawk7782 From above, my initial response to you was not intended to be a personal attack. It was just a response to the apparent philosophy. Not sure what I misinterpreted in reading your initial post, i.e., the claim Wiseman was getting raked by the NCAA.
@approxinfinity The poor three point D is a misguided philosophy. @dylans asked the perfect question. You’re very kind to Doke. I’ll say, he is one for the more poorly conditioned players I’ve seen. I really think this contributes to his FT woes.
dylans said:
Is it philosophy or discipline?
It’s clearly philosophy. This is much like the Bob Sutton defense of the Chiefs in past seasons, but worse. We’ve seen the open looks over and over.
From the second article below:
Coach Bill Self, throughout his 16-year KU tenure, admits that he’s rarely strayed from an old-school mantra he’s talked about before: The key to winning is to get easy baskets and not give them up.
“A lot of it is philosophy,” Self said, “and how you think things should be defended.”
approxinfinity said:
@HighEliteMajor you're right on the money here. Doke's defense alone led to 3 made wide open 3s. His apparent on-ball strategy was to slough off them enough to encourage the shot and then hope to alter their shot by flailing his arms at them. This was not defense.
That’s a great way of saying it - it looked like he was trying to encourage a shot. Doke is lazy. He gives effort when he wants to. The game with 17 rebounds vs Milwaukee followed the game with Colorado where he had just 6 and was clearly going at a lower motor level.
Not defense at all.
truehawk93 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
You always say it’s about results, not intention. Well, teams are shooting less than 30% against us from 3 this year, in the top quintile of Division 1.
Could we defend the line better? Sure. Is it worthy of a meltdown? Of course not. The results are what they are.
I think the results are what @HighEliteMajor is addressing. You seem perfectly content with the results. But you have to admit the results are getting old. They need to change and his points are his way of addressing these results. Intentions will NOT win games, results are all that matters. I'm sure Self "intends" to win every game. But you have to analyze and change your plan to get winning results. You can't keep intentions that produce short fall results. Self is falling short with his intentions. His intentions and results are severely lacking, and frankly they seem to be getting all too common by the year. I'M NOT ADVOCATING FIRING. He just needs to tweak and tune his game prep a bit.
It's early and we shall see if his intentions produce results. If this game is any indication, I'm concerned. We all say every year that when Self facing a bad game, "he'll adjust." Well...we'll see.
PHOF! Where’s the National Championships? A complete decade with just one win in the FF? With our top 5 talent every year?
FarmerJayhawk said:
You always say it’s about results, not intention. Well, teams are shooting less than 30% against us from 3 this year, in the top quintile of Division 1.
Could we defend the line better? Sure. Is it worthy of a meltdown? Of course not. The results are what they are.
This response is much like saying the the drunk driver got home so all is good.
Did you even watch the game? Do you expect teams to just miss open looks? I challenge you to rewatch the game and have the stones to get back on here and disagree.
I’m sorry. On this point, this issue — this is a no doubter. We’ve already suffered embarrassment and elimination from the NCAA tourney because of this exact same issue.
And if you’re pointing to results, real results — newsflash, we lost. Did you see the wide open three that sealed our fate yesterday? Real results.
If Dotson made his free throws and we won, it wouldn’t change the risk analysis.
The Chiefs were 9-0 in 2003 and bet you would have said, “all is well.”
We should be afraid, very afraid.
Please, ignore the results today. Win, lose, whatever. The bounce of the ball at the end of the game is immaterial here.
The big story, the one that we should be talking about more than anything, is our horrifically incompetent 3 point defense. It's really an inexplicable travesty.
The Dayton game was our first real warning. Dayton is not as good as the KU Jayhawks. The just aren't. But they came within a whisker of finishing us off. They should have.
The culprit vs. Dayton? 16/33 shooting allowed from the three point line. Multiple wide open looks. More than multiple wide open looks. See Nova, 2018 FF.
I heard Jesse Newell talking on the radio a week or so ago. He made the point that Self is still focusing on protecting the rim and not focusing on the three point line. That's not a newsflash.
This his how we are eliminated from the NCAA tourney.
After watching the game today, this should send shivers down all KU Jayhawk fans' spines.
OUR COACH REFUSES TO ADJUST TO THE THREE POINT THREAT. OUR COACH REFUSES TO DEFEND THE LINE. OUR COACH HAS PLACED THIS TEAM IN SEVERE PERIL BECAUSE OF HIS ARCHAIC DEFENSIVE APPROACH.
Gus Johnson, who is an excellent play-by-play guy, said this at the end of the game -- perfectly summed up the performance, "Nova has gotten good looks from downtown all game, they just haven't hit shots."
Bingo. That's how we roll. We give it up.
Bill Self, the enigma. The reason we're good. But the reason we can't win a national title.
Look at the tape. Over and over and over, we pay way too much attention to helping on the drive, or shading to provide help, or even doubling in the short corner. We don't attack the line defensively. Unreal. WIDE OPEN THREE POINT SHOTS.
Bill Self, do you have a clue? Where are you? Do you have any idea of how to defend the line?
First Half (I started keeping track of some three point defensive items just over midway through the first half). Some snippets.
8:35 Watch Nova's three point attempt. Are we taking defending the line seriously?
8:00 We pay too much attention to the driver. Leave three point shooter wide open. He misses. Braun then saunters in for the board. Long rebound to Nova, no concept of where the shooters are located, ball goes back to the same man who drills a wide open three.
6:15 Doke for some reason doubles in the short corner, no apparent reason, leads to an open three attempt.
6:08 We switch (which we should) but Garrett is lazy, not attentive to the line. Open three.
4:25 Watch McCormack (fast becoming my least favorite player) help in the lane. No real need to help. Leads to an open three by a 47% three point shooter.
3:50 Just watch the LAZY three point D. No effort to close distance by Doke. It started on a handoff when Doke RETREATS on the switch vs. going to the line. Bam, easy, wide open three.
3:20 Next possession we screw up a switch, wide open three (a miss).
2:53. Inbounds play. Dotson gets picked. McCormack uselessly stands on the box and does not contest the open three. Dotson was occupying the only threat. This is pure incompetence. He as to chase and contest. The announces mentioned how open the shooter was.
1:40 Moore again has an open look (misses).
(as a note, Doke shot a free throw shortly after that and hits the backboard first - I know, he worked hard. The staff supposedly tried. There is no excuse for this at all.)
1:11 Wide open three all resulted because we were doubling the post before. But it ended in a miss. Watch the sequence.
At start of second half, after Nova missed two wide open three looks, Gus Johnson commented that they're getting good looks but can't knock them down.
16:30 Wide open three.
15:23 I commented, "what the he**." Wide open look, zero concern for the line. Moss was just oblivious.
(I then took a break from note taking. Head near imploding)
4:15 We leave Gillespie alone. I can't really comprehend this. JRE has an open look before Gillespie's shot. Watch the sequence.
End game - Samuels wide, wide open. Winning three. Dotson was looking to help on the drive. This is a fitting end.
Summary - We are regularly out of position. We are focusing on helping on drives. We are doubling when we don't need to. We shade the ball too strongly. We don't move aggressively toward the three point shooter after we switch (a big one). We don't locate shooters as we move down in transition. We don't relocate shooters at the line after misses. We view the line as a secondary concern. Doke is very lazy on the perimeter. Not slow. Lazy. We are lacking a recognition of the real threat on the court. We don't prioritize defending the line. We are playing INCOMPETENT three point defense. Bill Self, where are you?
Nova was 10/41 from three. They missed multiple open looks. Very few three pointers were really contested. If they shoot 40% this is a blowout. We've seen that before.
Unless Bill Self gets his head out of his a**, he will cost us a chance at a national title. This is his baby. We have the talent once again. We really are the best team in the nation. But we have an Achilles' heal of Bill Self's creation -- it's a continuing theme, or nightmare, we've seen over and over.
And don't tell me it's because we play two bigs. This is SCHEME. It's lack of prioritizing the line. We switch and move backwards from the line? Over and over? This is Bill Self drilling over and over to protect the rim, stop the drive, help from the weak side, etc. All two point basket related.
In the movie Armageddon, some NASA guy calls the asteroid a "planet killer."
Well, our three point defense is a season killer. And we've seen it before.
Oh, we'll win a lot. Win the conference. Get a 1 or 2 seed. We'll mock concerns after losses with condescending "the sky is falling" comments.
Forget the wins and losses right now. LOOK at how we defend the line. And you will be afraid, very afraid.
BILL SELF, WHERE ARE YOU?
@mayjay The analysis of this game should have nothing to do with the bounce of the ball at the end of the game.
@kjayhawks I’d prefer more intimate venues too. But I see no reason not to generally believe the NCAA reporting. This gives insight into why the big money provides big benefit to multiple thousands of students.
kjayhawks said:
@HighEliteMajor i typically agree you but I’m interested As to how holding final fours in 90,000 football stadiums benefits the student athletes? Also as mentioned above, why only target a small amount of schools in this so called scandal? I’d question anyone’s intelligence looking at UKs, UNCs and Dook classes year after year that thinks they ain’t cheating in someway.
The 90,000 or big venue = more $ = more money for all student athletes.
I’m as irritated as anyone that we got busted and Zion played at Duke without penalty. We know what happened. But some folks speed and don’t get tickets. We got caught.
And by the way, we've had these NCAA discussion before. I've laid out facts and (respectfully) destroyed the other arguments offered here repeatedly. Not based on what one "feels" about things, but based on logic and facts. Folks don't want the colleges to make and enforce their own rules. They fail to recognize that the colleges are "owners". They own the product, the contracts, the arenas/facilities, the logos, and everything else. But that doesn't matter. Folks don't like the NCAA rules. They fail to recognize the unavoidable problems with massive enforcement (similar to regular law enforcement -- you can't catch everyone). They whine about enforcement when rules are clearly broken. They fail to recognize without rules there is chaos. They say they want a better system but don't have one to offer. They fail to realize that a path away from the NCAA model is a path to professional basketball. They fail to realize that without the NCAA making billions other sports will go away -- scholarships for thousands of athletes from rowing to golf to volleyball to track. Sports that can't support themselves (and literally every females sport).
The irony is that the whiner's position on this wants to destroy the NCAA for the benefit of a very select few men's CB and FB players to detriment of the massive numbers of other athletes. Ironic. Isn't the scholarship and the education of the massive numbers of athletes in all sports the goal here? Educational welfare funded by men's CB and FB. And there are complaints based on the elite athletes not getting more?
It's a joke.
It's ironic because those that push this position, motivated by support for the poor black athlete, in turn will harm multiple more poor black athletes. Sound familiar? I mean, that's leftist politics. They want so badly to help that their solutions cause more harm than good and create cyclical harm. But we know that. Look at our cesspool inner cities run by conservatives -- uh, no, run by leftists. Almost exclusively by leftists. Our idiot mayor in KC spent 8 years blaming inanimate objects for the continued violence and not the people that commit the crimes. Nothing changed. But that's a leftist. That's evidence. We've had this debate before and it always leads down the same path. And I always win.
It's whine that gets obliterated.
@jhawk7782 Either there are rules or no rules. You obviously would prefer no rules because this is pretty obvious. The thought process just doesn't want any rules. Because once the rules are construed against your interests, the rules suck.
@kjayhawks Your NCAA take is borderline delusion because of what you ignore. But I see that a lot. It's comical how folks with your position ignore what the NCAA does and creates for student-athletes and other students. It's as if that doesn't exist and we have our sob-fest over future NBA players like Wiseman. But what's new. It's the NCAA is evil and that's that. Something folks continue to ignore is that it's the colleges -- KU -- that the NCAA represents. KU is a shareholder, so to speak.
dylans said:
@HighEliteMajor 3-2 zone would be nice, but zone is a naughty word simply because it’s a system that can be schemed against easier than good man to man.
Zone defense gets unfairly defamed. What makes it worse is when we see man coaches try to coach zone. They see it as a gimmick.
But we need to consider our team. This team, what we are dealing with. Can't ignore our personnel. Can't ignore the need to guard the line while playing two bigs. Can't ignore that our bigs get exposed out on the floor. I can promise this -- a properly executed 3-2 with our personnel would be better bet than our man, and would be more effective than how we guard the three point line presently. To be used in specific situations, against specific teams.
For example, how do we guard an Auburn type team with our two bigs on floor?
The Dayton situation scares me. That's a March nightmare.
If we are best with two bigs, then we need to play a defense that fits.
That's if we are actually better with two bigs. Not sure that we are now.
@approxinfinity @dylans Well, unless we play zone. But we know that is naughty word around AFH.
@approxinfinity You should read the transcript. That transcript, being morphed into an alleged impeachable offense, is mind-boggling. The claimed whistle-blower, who isn't really a "whistle-blower" under the law, didn't hear the conversation. He heard about it. He then met with Schiff to strategize all of this. Schiff then got on national TV, all networks interrupted, and then he lied about the transcript contents, later calling his speech to the nation a "parody."
Again, this went from quid pro quo, to bribery, to this. Where is the quid pro quo? Why isn't "bribery" the article of impeachment? We know why.
Now, I'm not going to defend Trump's character. But I'm very glad he doesn't take left's lies and crap sitting down. I'd rather he be presidential about it, though. He's crass and disgusting. But his policies are what I have to focus on. Otherwise we'd have justices on the SC that think like the 9th circuit -- the ones that complete disregarded the immigration restrictions Trump lawfully imposed claiming he couldn't do that when the law was clear. Judges solely motivated by politics. The shadow government, really, is the deep state that has worked so feverishly against him. Trump upsets the apple cart. The Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama makes folks comfortable.
Now that's really something to laugh about. They believe in it. What they believe in is doing anything and everything to attack and debilitate the president, in an unprecedented fashion, to stop his agenda.
The Russian investigation was proven to be a complete hoax. Done, over, gone.
The IG report proved that they FBI used illegal means to get surveillance on a presidential campaign, being rebuked by the FISA court.
The impeachment inquiry has now deteriorated from claims of quid pro quo (now that's gone) to bribery (now that's gone) to now a mushy "abuse of power." And the obstruction issue? Trump is in court with a review coming by the Supreme Court. He's in court on the issue, right?
When someone is trying to kill you (literally or figuratively) and you use strong tactics to stop it, you're wrong?
Well, of course, this from the same party that would want you in jail for shooting an intruder. The same party that would want you to have to retreat if being attacked. The same party that has and always will support vicious criminals over citizens.
This is what you get from the disgusting left -
Free speech? The left is the enemy of free speech. They want to shut it down, when they disagree. We've seen it here. Try to debate with facts? Not if it isn't the fact that the left agrees with.
I will never defend Trump's character. Disgusting. Would much rather call Obama a friend, or have him to my home for dinner. I'm driven by policy. And protecting our country from the left's destructive goals.
But what is occurring now is a travesty driven by the ever disgusting left.
I saw where one of the "squad" interrupted a speech in congress with shouts to, "stop it." That's the left. Third world. Antifa. Urine bombs. Attacking Trump supporters. Open the gates to our country.
Disgusting.
... and the NBA was terrific back then. It was incredible. One of my great enjoyments of life. Not the pu***, hands off, baloney of today. Completely unwatchable. Curry would still be a great player, but not near the weapon. And if MJ played now, with all this touch foul, freedom of movement stuff, no one would even question whether he was greater than Lebron. Magic is still (in my opinion) the greatest all around player of all time.
The teams were greater back then. Look at the lineups that got trotted out on a nightly basis.
I will say, I saw a deal on ESPN this morning on Jarrett Allen. The guy has the 70s 'fro going strong. Those were better days in the NBA. Big 'fros and short shorts.
By the way, KU 75 Nova 67.
It would seem that we would be cheering Hardaway on in his recruiting efforts since we/Adidas do the same thing — “everybody does it”, right?
For the anti-NCAA folks isn’t the NCAA just being unfair to the poor athlete and his victim school?
The reason it survives is that it makes billions of dollars and it represents its constituents, the colleges.
If the NCAA goes away, what replaces it? An NCAA by another name?
The folks to blame isn't the NCAA. It's the colleges. They are the bosses - the shareholders.
And remember, most of the complaints about the NCAA are fake news. Meaning, they are from folks that hate CBB and/or who have a political agenda and/or who would complain if a player took $10,000 cash from a booster and got suspended and/or don't understand you need rules or there would be chaos.
jhawk7782 said:
BUT Jay seems to win the most important games against KU.
Uh, yea, I think that would be the case — two rings later.