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More like Jay Wrong. We good.

The day of reckoning is upon us...

Kansas by 6.

When the threes fall from the sky; judgment day.

Very excited for this game. Hope we bring the heat

Wish we had gus on espn

Big Dave!

Missed a wide open three I'm shocked.

Wow that missed layup by Dotson was shocking

Dave continues to play at a high level

Both teams missing open shots. The only one with steady nerves is... McCormack?

Earl off

Had a coach tell me go left or right, make up your mind

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Earl off

Good

@BeddieKU23 especially for a frosh

Both teams a bit rushed. Villanova is physical as usual. Dotson will need to be tougher

We missed some easy shots....should be up by more.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Both teams missing open shots. The only one with steady nerves is... McCormack?

Doke could have used the glass on his iso going right. Went right where JRE could make it difficult

I saw pregame on cox or ESPN+

Doke got fouled. Come on.

Hawk8086 said:

We missed some easy shots....should be up by more.

Yep. KU had a chance to build a early lead and couldn’t capitalize.

Hacking the hell out of doke and everyone else too

Missed layups (until this last one) and faux-help defense leaving shooters open. Gotta like Novals in your face D.

Dotson is so quick. He can get by anyone whenever he wants today.

Doke just go up...had 3 people on your back

Ugh

Let's give Wright a big 💩sandwich for his bday.

Making shots now in paint...that helps

Ochai playing good D

Agbaji is a stud

@Bwag great post D

Ochai didn’t screw up the break ! Yay

Dang Silvio!

Place is not crazy! Who said it was going to be?

Come on Silvio

@Crimsonorblue22 and the broadcasters have the sound out of whack with crowd input vs the announcers...or its just my tv?

These hand check non foul calls on nova are stupid

Silvio has brick hands.

See how long Self goes with no Doke and Dotson. I’d imagine it won’t be long.

@FarmerJayhawk he did there, not ready!

Danger time without Dotson. I bet he's in after the timeout or shortly after.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Doke got fouled. Come on.

That was egregious. Nova five fouls already. Typical Jay Wrong.

Woodrow said:

See how long Self goes with no Doke and Dotson. I’d imagine it won’t be long.

TV timeout was close they will be back in

You could read Self's lips when Doke traveled...come on Doke ...dunk it...playing soft!

@Bwag I can't tell

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Danger time without Dotson. I bet he's in after the timeout or shortly after.

I'm stunned he isn't playing 40 today.

Dots Short rests aren't bad - keep him fresh

He's to old to be GQ now

Joe put on a jersey and play.

Bullshit

Fuck off refs and announcer.

Yep, Silvio hooked him. Easy

would love to see Silvio get going

Wright fouled Ochai on that three

Ochai not so great D there

Get Silvio out

@Crimsonorblue22 We're up...see if he gets some sea legs going

Get your head in the game Silvio

Moss back side help?🤔

Bwag said:

@Crimsonorblue22 We're up...see if he gets some sea legs going

But you and Self are on the same page

@Bwag moss had a nice pass to him

Charge

Smacked him in the face

Nova ref

Yikes

Charge. Bad call.

Eh, not as bad as I thought

Game

Subs killing us

@BShark 💩head

If Moss isn’t going to make shots he does t need to be on the floor

Clanking shots

Pressure D against us by Nova...big surprise

We good

14 points with 8 mins. left...pathetic shooting.

We’re getting good shots. Garrett needs to finish his drives

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Subs killing us

Our bench is assssss

Bench didn't miss those last two

Joke

Good grief missing bunnies now

Missing way too many 2-3 footers...

Holy hand check batman

Nice box out Dave!

Marcus

FarmerJayhawk said:

Holy hand check batman

Every time

Brick brick brick

Dave come on

cheap call

I guess the point of emphasis on full arm checks were so years ago

REBOUND

6-14 on 2 pts shots - almost all near rim - isn't going to get it done....

First team to 40 wins

@DCHawker Yep. This team is going to take a lot of shots at the rim too. Typically it's been better. Need to improve from here to win this game.

Great

REBOUND

Oh no Marc G

Rip

Well, Enaruna or Braun is going to have to step up...

Damn.

looked like it should be our ball if no fouls called on that RB

Marc G cursed ankles.

Well everyone that bitches about Marcus is about to find out how valuable he is

Garret has bird ankles. Hope they are rubbery

Woodrow said:

Well everyone that bitches about Marcus is about to find out how valuable he is

Uggggh. Very nervous about this.

Nova will shoot lights out now

Tape that bad boy up and take some Advil

Thankfully Nova can't shoot either. Ugly ass game.

Nova fans don’t recognize an over the back?

Neither team is making shots, but they are certainly getting better looks...

I don't think Dave is very playable in this match-up but damn, we barely have enough guards now either....

Dotson making people look dumb

Why the hell can we not pressure the perimeter like Nova. Everytime we play them it just pisses me off.

If you play like shit you will lose. Hopefully red faced bill will figure it out

Get Moss off the floor. Play Tristan.

Bwag said:

Why the hell can we not pressure the perimeter like Nova. Everytime we play them it just pisses me off.

We’ll get called for 1000 handchecks

If we could make lay-ups we would be winning by 6-8 right now.

At least Dotson finally made a layup

They are 4-18, I think on 3s and are tied with us....you have to take advantage of a 3 pt shooting team not hitting.

@KirkIsMyHinrich pressure causes some of that

Too many misses inside.

This game is kind of like our game against Dayton just not at all.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

If we could make lay-ups we would be winning by 6-8 right now.

Agree.

@FarmerJayhawk well, if it taks constant play like that to get refs to swallow their whistles, then...let's call it the WV effect.

Eraruna?

Bottom line - if we don't make a few 3 pointers, we are going to struggle to score against good defensive teams. Including this one, we have 5 of next 7 games on the road. I would take 5-2 in a heartbeat...

Woodrow said:

Get Moss off the floor. Play Tristan.

Hello

Good call

We better start hitting some shots

Great foul it's a turnover again

I swear 25 people fouled doke underbeath

Turnover

Lol they are so defeated already

Is the blue line or the white line the 3??

Awesome - 4 Nova players open on the perimeter and we still don't get the rebound, thank God they are lukewarm and can't keep track of the clock

Woodrow said:

Is the blue line or the white line the 3??

Blue is the college line

Nice answer by doke. Self better figure out a defensive team that works

Doke forgot he can jump

Perry still twitching

@BeddieKU23 It's the same problem we had against Dayton. Two bigs on the floor and we struggle to guard the 3-point line. We're lucky they aren't shooting like Dayton was.

FarmerJayhawk said:

Woodrow said:

Is the blue line or the white line the 3??

Blue is the college line

Ok. They changed that last 3. It was clearly a 2.

Take that

Great Half

ha

Archie Diaccogillespie.

We’ll take it. Played a C game and are tied.

I really want to win this. Nova just pisses me off

Do what we do... Adriaaaaaan

Bad last possession for us. Dotson with the quick shot and Doke with a foul...at least they didn't score.

Marcus?

@Crimsonorblue22 Seriously. I hope he's not hurt too badly.

Baylor! scored 87 points against these guys...

Hawk8086 said:

Bad last possession for us. Dotson with the quick shot and Doke with a foul...at least they didn't score.

Self told him to go 2 for 1

What's up Steve Lavin?

@BeddieKU23 Hmmm.

Boy we played like dog crap this 1st half. - -we should be up by 10-12 points. - -Villanova played like dog crap 4-21 from the three. - -you can bet the house they won't continue that in the 2nd half - we better strap it up the 2nd half gonna be a war.

I don't think they have any answer down low for us - -David start great then some reason he got taken out. - - Watch Bey the 2nd half - overall were ok - just got to hit shots. - -but I guess you can say the same for them - - keep playing the three - I just can't believe they will continue to miss those three's like that.

Bet both locker rooms pretty warm lol

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2 bigs is scaring me. Long rebounds on their 3's and only a +2 rebounding margin, while shooting 2-8 from 3 vs 5-21 for them. Feels like a loss if this doesn't change.

If their 3's start falling we're going to lose. Villanova is like Dayton but they play way better defense.

Our guards went 5-17 and too many missed layups. Missed shots in that half probably make the difference in the outcome of this game. Nova wont go 5-21 again

"Nova sucks at defense" @FarmerJayhawk 2019

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BShark said:

"Nova sucks at defense" @FarmerJayhawk 2019

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They do. Today is just their day

Ku has to make 3s. Only way to open this game up

BShark said:

"Nova sucks at defense" @FarmerJayhawk 2019

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Yes KenPom is wrong and n of 1 upsets the entire system /s

Garrett done

They're young. They are going to get better at defense with Jay Wright coaching.

Oh no :(

Dave is terrible today

BShark said:

"Nova sucks at defense" @FarmerJayhawk 2019

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lol

Doke's gotta close on that JRE corner 3.

They got Doke all f'd up on d.

Love our 'hope they miss' defense strategy

The double team by Doke screwed up, left a wide open 3.

Their passing and ball movement is much better than ours...

Bout to get ugly.

Pathetic defense

DCHawker said:

Their passing and ball movement is much better than ours...

Certainly looks that way when we don't guard

Rout coming

no point in playing 2 bigs if neither one wants to guard a 3.

We already miss Garrett.....

LOL

No point in playing any bigs if they cant finish a dunk

Chase defense scheme sucks...just saying

Jesus Christ. This is the same bullshit we lost with against them in the tournament. Doke slow to rotate, baseline 3.

Disgusting basketball

Moss is trash

More bricks

BeddieKU23 said:

Dave is terrible today

Unplayable today but BILL.

I dont think they will hit 50 today time regroup for Stanford

Better roster but Nova has the FAR superior coach.

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

Dave is terrible today

Unplayable today but BILL.

Who else he gonna play?

How about each guy guard their man like their own life depended on it. If your man gets a pass, you run laps at practice.

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BShark said:

Better roster but Nova has the FAR superior coach.

Why aren’t you advocating we fire Bill and hire Jay?

Finish a dunk

@BeddieKU23 Literally any guard.

@BShark

2nd balhandler. Best passer. We are so screwed

Maybe play Tristan. If they beat us with 2's I'll live with it. Just guard the 3-point line and rotate.

We simply don't have anyone who can make outside shots with any semblance of consistency. Moss and Ochai streaky at best. Entire offense is dumping in to Doke...

BShark said:

@BeddieKU23 Literally any guard.

We don't have another guard to play. Nobody can handle the ball

What is Moss's streak? One in a row?

More teams will try and defend this team the way Nova is doing it. That's a big issue going forward.

They blew that whistle on Kansas before there was even contact. Meanwhile we are getting mugged on the other end with no calls.

Jackson is talking about getting wasted on recruiting trips with Ohio State when he was 17? 18?

Long way to go.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

They blew that whistle on Kansas before there was even contact. Meanwhile we are getting mugged on the other end with no calls.

true

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

They blew that whistle on Kansas before there was even contact. Meanwhile we are getting mugged on the other end with no calls.

Nova fans were so shocked earlier when they finally called an obvious foul on them that they booed.

Christian Braun, stabilizer?

four step bruan

Just get Doke out. He can't guard 3's worth a damn.

Doke picked off the lob to Tristan LOL

Games not over guys

approxinfinity said:

Just get Doke out. He can't guard 3's worth a damn.

He is our entire offense calm down.

in the arc if you ask me

The problem isn't Doke, it's two bigs against Nova.

Clearly in the arc, dumbass.

Some of You guys are pathetic. Our best defender goes down at the half and weapon and suddenly everyone turns on the team. One reason I quit this site. I still pay attention to what goes on here, but goodness people, we lost one of our experienced starters and some of you have just jumped ship.

@BShark He looks gased. At least take a TO.

@wissox I'm allowed to be pissed that Doke doesn't guard 3s.

Garrett wouldn't be helping the offense a ton. And it's frustrating because this game looks like 90% of Bill's tournament losses.

Need way more out of Dotson, so one dimensional

KU ain’t playing great but these refs are missing all kinds of calls. How is it a tie up when one guy is out of bounds? And novas guy was CLEARLY inside the cylinder.

4 pt game

Bill, PLEASE go recruit some kids that can shoot

Shoot us in the game!

2 pt

chriz said:

KU ain’t playing great but these refs are missing all kinds of calls. How is it a tie up when one guy is out of bounds? And novas guy was CLEARLY inside the cylinder.

Jay Wrong implements the Huggins/Weber mugging defense and dares the refs to call it. They are in Philly so...lots going uncalled... IM SHOCKED.

It really is gross though.

guards starting to play a little offense!

The way the whistles are going definitely favors Nova. They allow hand-check defense but they are calling moving screens.

Effort is finally there

Agbaji needs to keep stepping up with Marcus out. He can do it.

3 fouls on bayou

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

The way the whistles are going definitely favors Nova. They allow hand-check defense but they are calling moving screens.

Jay's check must have cleared.

Thought for sure Ochai was going to jam that against the rim, but he's got some hops!

Okay. I'd like to point out that this run has come with a 4-1 and Tristan at the 4. Like I said.

A game of runs

Woodrow said:

Bill, PLEASE go recruit some kids that can shoot

I'm hopeful for Bryce as well as Wilson and Braun once they are ready. This year it's not really gonna get better but next year might be interesting.

DanR said:

Thought for sure Ochai was going to jam that against the rim, but he's got some hops!

He took off from a ways out with minimal head of steam

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Okay. I'd like to point out that this run has come with a 4-1 and Tristan at the 4. Like I said.

I might lose my mind if Bill goes back to two bigs.

ThIs oNe Is OvEr

Crimsonorblue22 said:

A game of runs

Hope they are out of them

FarmerJayhawk said:

ThIs oNe Is OvEr

Could you imagine if Bill played four guards the whole game? Might be boat racing them.

They are shooting us back in!

So if we win this, was the stretches of 2 bigs necessary @FarmerJayhawk ?

I do fully believe KU has the better roster and team but playing two bigs to give them wide open looks ain't it.

I've never seen doke this bad, gotta get him going, bread and butter, toast and jam

"I I I I'm not very comfortable not having 2 bigs out there... so... BOX OUT" - Bill

Crimsonorblue22 said:

I've never seen doke this bad, gotta get him going, bread and butter, toast and jam

Tough match-up against an athletic team. This is why Doke's pro future is overseas.

approxinfinity said:

So if we win this, was the stretches of 2 bigs necessary @FarmerJayhawk ?

If we win I don’t care if we play 5 bigs

Just a bad game for Doke. I still have to prob. with two bigs. Tristan playing like a madman big right now.

nice cut by Braun

Keeping things going

That was pretty close to a block.

BRICK BRICK

Thankfully we are rebounding now.

Big dave

Kansas can't get a foul driving to the basket this game. Wild.

Good job Dave. Get some boards buddy and you're the complete pkg here.

Maybe that'll get Dave going. Gotta be able to back one guy down like that.

Nova fans are about as bad as West Virginia fans

Use that speed

@KirkIsMyHinrich :hundred_points:

Yes

Obvious blocking foul. Don't be ISU, Nova.

a 3ptr

Flippity floppity

Crap

Ouch. Good D though! Keep it up

What's with this trying to double team all over the court leaving people open

Would have preferred another 3 attempt by Dotson rather than that shot by Braun.

I'm assuming Dave is out there in the 4-1 instead of Doke b/c Doke is sucking wind. Hopefully he's fresh after the TV TO.

They are getting either wide open looks from 3 or pretty clear lanes to the bucket...

Braun brick city from 3 just killed that run

Need Doke back.

Bwag said:

What's with this trying to double team all over the court leaving people open

The self way, this is the way

Missing Marcus trying to play small today. Stay with the 4-1. Get Doke back in.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Kansas can't get a foul driving to the basket this game. Wild.

Nova is not capable of fouling according to these Philly refs.

DCHawker said:

They are getting either wide open looks from 3 or pretty clear lanes to the bucket...

Because apparently no one is responsible to guard their own man...always look for help

Yeah. So.. I got my wish (Doke to bench) and this is the result. Dave just isn't ready to be the big in the 4-1.

I don’t understand why we are helping so much on D. They have us on skates and getting wide open looks. They have to stop helping. If they beat you so be it. At least it’s a 2 and not 3.

Is this the same time last yr Marcus hurt his ankle?

Dotson needs to continue to be aggressive. I dont trust anyone else out there shooting the ball

Allan Ray, thats the guy that got his eye poked out.

Good job creating Devon.

approxinfinity said:

Good job creating Devon.

Every possession should start and end with him. Its the only way to win

Hope we make at least half our free throws!

@BeddieKU23 Worried that they will just let Nova hack but it is our best offense...

They can guard us all over the court mostly without fouling, putting pressure on us. Dotson made a break for it and got a foul, but the Nova player had 100% responsibility to guard his man and didn't slack off looking for help. #Respect

Enaruna still 1-1 with a 3. Not our first choice, but I think he might have a few more buckets in him.

BShark said:

@BeddieKU23 Worried that they will just let Nova hack but it is our best offense...

Almost to bonus so I think it's time to get moss in there for spacing

@Bwag Can't say Nova doesn't play good D, that's for sure. They don't give up anything.

There's nothing quite like trading a 3 on O and an empty possession on D.

Moss really hasn't taken a good look today and the 4 guards has started to space their defense

Bwag said:

They can guard us all over the court mostly without fouling, putting pressure on us. Dotson made a break for it and got a foul, but the Nova player had 100% responsibility to guard his man and didn't slack off looking for help. #Respect

"without fouling."

They would be fouls in some places.

Oh yeah Doke. OH YEAH

Doke is back in!

We're 3 of 14 from three. Against Nova. Sigh.

Yeah, maybe we watch with fans eyes, plus there is a method to the madness by playing intense, in your face defense all over the court that puts the refs in a position to decide how to call. If you don't play that way the whole game, they will call you when you try in the last minute

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Bwag said:

They can guard us all over the court mostly without fouling, putting pressure on us. Dotson made a break for it and got a foul, but the Nova player had 100% responsibility to guard his man and didn't slack off looking for help. #Respect

"without fouling."

They would be fouls in some places.

Dotson. Man.

@FarmerJayhawk May be tired. Has he been
out of the game once?

Abaji needs to do a lot more of that driving

Scored when they switched on the drive

@DanR and were up by 1. Fools gold

It doesn't feel lik eDoke is timing jumps/ high pojnting the ball on boards. JRE had one earlier where Doke boxed him out and JRE grabbed it with both hands without Doke touching the ball.

3 Sec

Feeling like a slug fest now.

These are fun

great rb there dotson

Another bull crap call

We need to get our hands up faster on these boards. Not only are the boards longer for a 3 pt team,the angle of the deflection is sharper, requires arms up sooner. They're used to it, we're not.

bullshit call

nice call from half court, ref

That's a joke call

That’s a terrible call.

Wooooow

Not shooting?

Rebounding, refs etc

Dotson is trying a little too much on offense. They need to get Doke the ball .

Imagine rebounding at any point on that last possession and being up three.

Doke needs to be ready with the put-backs.

I feel like if Marcus was playing he would have come up with that defensive rebound.

Considering the 36 fouls nova committed on that last rebound on the other end, Doke got jobbed.

I’ve missed most of the game. How serious is Garrett’s injury?

@dylans pretty bad

DanR said:

Considering the 36 fouls nova committed on that last rebound on the other end, Doke got jobbed.

Ikr

@dylans Coach called the ankle injury ugly at halftime.

💩

High ankle sprain/break again?

@dylans Garrett walked off with some help, so that was good.

Is nova really 9/38? How are we not annihilating them?!

dylans said:

High ankle break again?

Looked like a run of the mill ankle roll to me

Just said out today, all been said

@chriz we're 3 of 14

chriz said:

Is nova really 9/38? How are we not annihilating them?!

They just got 5 opportunities on each of their last 2 possessions.

@FarmerJayhawk Hope so. Hard to tell on the radio!

Good hustle Eraruna

That was awesome Tristan!

Good lord

A break shit

Defense!!!

Foul my ass, announcer

Howd they not call a foul on Doke

Braun is playing big boy minutes.

Up 2 - Baun

HELL YEAH CHRISTIAN

Crap

Braun said taste it jre

Diaper Dandy's are killing it

KC Braun came to Philly to play

Christian Hooblehauf!!!!

He got up on that

Amazeballs Braun!!!

Braun baby!!!!

Oh man, never that Braun would deliver, but it's Christmas

Wow

Two way Braun!!!

Kansan on Kansan violence!!

Sorry I cuss, but I get way to excited

UPS WITH THE FLIPPING DELIVERY

Gotta make FTs this last 2 minutes...

I don't say the f word

There you go Tristan. 4-1 FTW

Go clock

Oof.

Dang it

They shouldn't even count some of Nova's threes as shot attempts

Yikes devon

Aargh

That's dogsshit dotson

Dotson come on

Thats called man defense. Dot got too casual

Are you serious Devon . Had a chance to win the game with a score there

Wake up call!!! That’ll give Bill some fun during the break

that might piss Dotson off enough to take over here at the end

BeddieKU23 said:

That's dogsshit dotson

That was unbelievably bad. Force a blocked three then don't run off much time and give up an easy bucket.

dylans said:

Aargh

Your tag lines take up my whole screen

DanR said:

that might piss Dotson off enough to take over here at the end

:crossed_fingers:

Woodrow said:

Are you serious Devon . Had a chance to win the game with a score there

Yup...

I thought the arrow was Kansas. Earl-Tristan tie-up went to Nova

Bwag said:

dylans said:

Aargh

Your tag lines take up my whole screen

Yeah ran out of room or there’d be more lol

Not the effing shot we needed....

Not the shot I wanted from Dave

Ofc

Devon, get OUT ON THE THREE.

Love the burn 20 second offensive set there and then scramble

smart foul

Dotson is so young

well then

Fudge

Gillespie carried.

What a brutal choke job by Dotson. Just pathetic

Not over, but getting close...

How do we not crash boards on a missed FT in that scenario?

4-10 from the FT line. 3 of those front ends....

Absolutely pathetic loss. Handed it to Nova down the stretch.

DCHawker said:

4-10 from the FT line. 3 of those front ends....

Just like Final 4 performances too often

@DCHawker all I wanted for Christmas was to shoot 50% freebies

Well. shit happens. At least we had it at all.

Came even make a ft

Choked. Missed lay-ups. Missed turnovers. Gotta do better.

Good coverage there...get a steal here.

This game was over and then the team gave it back to Nova. Learning experience I guess.

Up 4 with ball in our hands a minute to go and then pissing it away...

D dot not himself

Is my broadcast behind? 17 seconds is a long time guys

We looked so much better with Christian, Enaruna out there. Hopefully Bill learns to trust.

I hate that Dotson is going to leave before he’s really any good.

Devon the choker

13 seconds

No time outs for them. Can we cover up an inbounds play again? Odds are no

Gotta foul 3 times

steal it instead of fouling

yes

here we go

Its off #2

Shits getting real!

@BeddieKU23 Devon heard you.

DanR said:

steal it instead of fouling

You mean like that!

approxinfinity said:

@BeddieKU23 Devon heard you.

Hope so

What excellent coverage on the inbounds.

Gotta score now is the big issue...

If Dotson settle for a 17 foot jumper I will lose my shit

Refs r like we have Jay's check what do we do

@Woodrow if it goes in, I'm good

Well, let Braun take it to the hole?

D dot redemption time

Drive and crash the boards for a tip in...

Sit Udoka please

If we burn 8 seconds off and then throw the ball in the general direction of the hoop, I might swear, @Crimsonorblue22

Oh no....doke is coming out?????

going to have to stand up for this

All out attack on the basket

Nice. where have I seen that play

throw it to doke

Why the eff is he handing off to Ochai??????

Yeah.

Why not a low screen and alleyoop to our 80% shot maker?

Just terrible execution this last minute...

got the shot and muffed it

WTF was that? Awful possession

That's the shot we get?

Choke job Dotson is his new name

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

That's the shot we get?

Should have won this game so many times over...ugh

BeddieKU23 said:

Choke job Dotson is his new name

NO

@BeddieKU23 come on

@DanR

85% at the line. No excuse

UNFUCKING BELIEVABLE!!! Free throws, turnovers, pathetic 3 point defense. 4 point lead and give a big blow job!!!

4-10 from the line, tons of missed lay-ups, stupid turnovers. I can't believe we lost this.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

4-10 from the line, tons of missed lay-ups, stupid turnovers. I can't believe we lost this.

Frame that for march

Game was lost when Dotson inexplicably got his pocket picked and gave them two points

This is what KU does in the road game before Christmas. They play like shit and when it's a good opponent, they typically lose.

This is nothing new for a Bill Self team in this game on the schedule.

Well this is why @BShark and I were afraid.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Well this is why @BShark and I were afraid.

I kept saying this was going to happen as well.

With Marcus out some frosh got some valuable experience come March-April.

Woodrow said:

Game was lost when Dotson inexplicably got his pocket picked and gave them two points

Strongly agree. Worst case it should have been Nova ball down 4 having to go full court with like a minute to go.

Difference in this game is we pissed down our leg to lose it.

Up 4 under 2 and Dotson shits himself.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

With Marcus out some frosh got some valuable experience come March-April.

And while looking for silver linings, will take that and the chip on the shoulder that a game like this can bring.

Braun did some growing up.

Braun surprised me

Tristan E had a few moments

We’re a significantly better team. Not reading into this much. It’s forking December and Self’s teams always get a lot better over break.

@FarmerJayhawk Just frustrating because this game should have been a win.

Bill Self has been out Defensive schemed repeatedly by Wright. While I"m not at all trying to trash Self or run him off, but Wright would be a great replacement if we were looking and he was open.

BShark said:

@FarmerJayhawk Just frustrating because this game should have been a win.

Ah well. Not worth getting too bent out of shape over.

Nova only made 10 threes out of 41 tries. That's nuts.

There were so many things we could have done to not lose this game. And that's super frustrating.

But again I would like to point out that the game changed when we went to a 4-1 with Enaruna at the 4. I think we need to start playing this way at the start of games, especially against teams like Nova.

Wishing Garrett a speedy recovery.

DanR said:

Nova only made 10 threes out of 41 tries. That's nuts.

and that's all it took along with some pressure Defense all over the court

@BShark So should the Duke game been a win. If you can't perform when the chips are on the table, you LOSE!!

quit scheduling these bitches - -we can not beat these idiots so sick of losing to these guys - there is no way we should have lost. If we would have done ANYTHING in the 1st half of this game we would of been up 10-12 points - we just find ways to crap all over ourselves when we play these clowns

Freshman dont win in march

@KirkIsMyHinrich We need to shoot at least 35% from three or it doesn't matter whether we play one big or two

@BeddieKU23 the freshmen werent the problem

FarmerJayhawk said:

We’re a significantly better team. Not reading into this much. It’s forking December and Self’s teams always get a lot better over break.

this team tightens up just like a virgin butt when pressured - we found ALL KINDS of ways to lose - -pretty sad - - sad ball

BeddieKU23 said:

Freshman dont win in march

Well, there was that Carmello game...ouch

@jayballer73 KU played awful and when a glue player goes down due to ankle, it doesn't help. I watched Nova foul twice during those last few minutes. The black ref watched Gillespie reach in all game. Bey climbed backs all game and should've fouled out. The last play was a foul on Bey for the bump. Both refs, baseline and top of the key watched Dotson drive and Bey fouled him twice on that drive.
Kinda hard to win on the road when you play like shit and the refs won't make calls. We're lucky we got what we did.

Kcmatt7 said:

Difference in this game is we pissed down our leg to lose it.

Up 4 under 2 and Dotson shits himself.

85 % free throw shooter yet can't step up and make it when it counts

@jayballer73 Pretty much and your bigs can't miss bunnies.

Geez, I hate Nova

truehawk93 said:

@jayballer73 KU played awful and when a glue player goes down due to ankle, it doesn't help. I watched Nova foul twice during those last few minutes. The black ref watched Gillespie reach in all game. Bey climbed backs all game and should've fouled out. The last play was a foul on Bey for the bump. Both refs, baseline and top of the key watched Dotson drive and Bey fouled him twice on that drive.
Kinda hard to win on the road when you play like shit and the refs won't make calls. We're lucky we got what we did.

there is no way in hell I'm blaming the Ref's for this game - -we flat out FRICKEN lost it - -when we did go to the line we hit 4-10 - Seriously ? - -we turn it over 12 times - -we got bigs that can't finish - no excuses - a loss is a loss is a loss

Nova didn't win as the better team, they were lucky. They missed treys all game and I knew that Samuels was going to hit a trey.

@jayballer73 WE PLAYED LIKE SHIT

@Bwag Yeah in the Carmello game we were 12 for 30 from the line. So this choking goes back a long way.

Good road loss and maybe they will learn...maybe

truehawk93 said:

Geez, I hate Nova

I don't hate them. I hate losing to them.

@truehawk93 We would have bricked the foul shots if they had called a foul. So what.

This was the typical KU not focused in the road game before Christmas break game. The opponent didn't matter today. KU played flat like they typically do in this spot.

Most of KU's issues today boiled down to lack of focus. The missed lay ups and free throws were simply a lack of focus on KU's part.

The Garrett injury sucks because that will slow him down the rest of the season whenever he comes back just like last season.

On their home floor, we hold them to 35% from the field, 25% from 3, they only had 2 FT attempts, and we outrebounded them. Should have won this by 15....

@truehawk93 There is NEVER a good loss. No matter where it is played.

Ochai looked like a man. Tristan and Christian looked ready to take on a bigger role. Let Doke play the meaningful minutes in the 4-1 and Dave play the 4 in matchups where 2 bigs work. Otherwise, go 4-1. Assume the 4-1 is the answer in March and build the freshmen up for it.

I enjoyed our long stay at #1.

We don't need to worry about #1. Baylor beat Butler, Arizona, and NOVA! We better start wondering about the Conference and how we will perform there. Right now I am not too confident.

So the two best teams KU has played they have lost. Time to temper expectations. Your best player has to step up and finish the game. Just disappointing

@BeddieKU23 the last 2 minutes is what separates Dotson from Frank Mason and Devonte

@rockchalkwyo To be fair he is only a SO. A shame we won't get to see his JR season.

Anybody hear we had a player not check in the last time out? Self said he thought he could just walk in. I'm guessing he meant doke. Was listening on the radio. We get Marcus back, and it sounds like it's not as serious as last time, we beat these guys. I don't care if it's at Christmas break or April fools day. I'll still take Self over I don't wanta be right.

@Crimsonorblue22 doke

rockchalkwyo said:

@BeddieKU23 the last 2 minutes is what separates Dotson from Frank Mason and Devonte

Agree HOWEVER.... Frank had Devonte and Svi around him which spread the floor. This team can not shoot so teams can help more against Dotson.

Three three pointers made in a college game in 2019 is recipe for a loss EVERY SINGLE TIME.

Really bad last minute for Dotson. Bad TO, missed FT, missed tough layup. Although the breakdown on the last possession was us having only 4 seconds for the play.
Hard to believe that nova shot as poorly as they did from 3 and we lost. I can't even process this loss.

Hawk8086 said:

I can't even process this loss.

To pile on to how baffling it is...

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I went to watch the new stars wars movie at half time, just watched the second half. We really need to stop scheduling anyone but a cupcake for this game. We were the better team IMO, just looked like we had better things to do and weren’t focused. Dot was terrible down the stretch, just like the Dook game but I’d rather him have to learn now rather then in March. This year is like 2011 where this isn’t a obvious number 1 or 2 team. There could be 20 teams with a title shot given the right road.

Obviously, our lives are ruined. We have a horrible team, a horrible coach, stupid strategies, and a loser history.

Of course, one made basket at the end would have made the guy who made it a hero, the team gritty despite an injury to our most important glue guy and defender, our coach a brilliant adjuster, a fantastic defensive plan, and proof that KU is back to its winning ways.

People, please get a grip. It was a December game. Might foreshadow, might teach. For all the doomsayers about what it "means" about March, I can do better: I know I could describe every team in division I as not capable of winning the championship, and I will be 99.7% correct.

@mayjay The analysis of this game should have nothing to do with the bounce of the ball at the end of the game.

@mayjay I don’t think I’d even be mad if I was in coach Selfs shoes. I’d just tell the guys that’s what happens when you aren’t focused on the task at hand, we are the better team we just let them steal it away. We have to learn to finish those games when we don’t play well, that’s 2 on us guys. Hopefully y’all have learned and there isn’t a number 3, now get you butts home and gave a merry Christmas. Lol

So is KU any good? They’ve lost to the two best teams they’ve played and freakin’ Dayton took them to overtime. With any luck this will be a good teaching point, but it’s about time for the guys to get their act together so we can see some advanced play in March.

Dotson’s gotta learn from this game...wow he folded down the stretch. Turnover, poor decision making initiating the offense. Drawing a foul with 17 second left and missing the free throw... he’s got so much to learn and I’m afraid it’ll be too late if he doesn’t get it right now! He’s gone after this year and I don’t think he’s anywhere near his potential as a leader.

@Big-Clyde52 I could think of many other bad losses. Let's hope this ugly play against top 20 teams get worked out now. This is my definition of a good loss.
See UNC, Puke, MSU, UK...feeling better? I am.

@Big-Clyde52 I track you completely. Doke has GOT to improve. I've never seen a more horrible FT shooter, other than Shaq, and his problem is between his ears.
Christian hits his FTs, Dotson hits the front end of his 1-1, they eek it out on the road. But this is their first rough road test. They did some things right on the road in a really rough environment. They need to refocus and put this game behind them.
Another definition of a good loss. You had losing to Nova, I had losing at all. But at least it was a top 20 team, on the road, hostile environment, and Garrett would've been the difference.

@nuleafjhawk Its early and I think we all knew it was likely short lived. We played like crap, lost a key player, and still lost by 1 in a really tough environment. It hurts, but not too bad.
The rankings are more for the writers to play their games. They actually had KU losing before they even took the spot. I really don't care and we all say it every year, but we still get hooked on the #1 spot. March and April are all that matters.

@BigBad You realize Nova shot 24% to our 23% from the arc? The arc was not the ultimate problem in this game. I disagree. You live and die by the arc. If Nova hits half of those misses, and some of their misses were really close, this game could've been lopsided. We just don't have enough fire power. I don't get it. Self or players are so conservative or hesitant. Nova's inside game was to mug and hack Doke.
If Doke and Dave hit their bunnies, and or we make maybe 1-2 of those missed Fts, this game is different. Overall, Self's game plan worked, we just lost a key piece early in the game. This was a fluke of a loss.

As I read about the game two points were made....Braun was not a good FT shooter even in High School? Doesn't make sense if he is supposedly a good 3 pt shooter. Also, Dotson playing 37 minutes might have contributed to his poor play down the stretch.

The best thing a PG can do with his ball in his hands late is to focus on creating a shot for another player with taking an open layup or opportunity if it presents itself. Dotson seemed focused on trying to score. In a final possession moment, that is the wrong focus. I think most coaches would agree with that. I'd have rather seen him drive at Agbaji's defender and try to get him a relatively open shot or drive opportunity.

Actually, I'd rather see us run a set play. But I've been on that gripe for years. You know, one of those set plays that leads to a dunk, an open shot, or dish to the hoop.

Not that I'm about to give an excuse to Dotson for the way he played down the stretch but it's clear rewatching the game Dotson was tired from having to be the primary ball handler most of the game after Marcus went out. We even saw Braun handling the ball so Dotson could get the ball on the left wing and go around a ball screen to initiate offense. Dotson turning the ball over late and missed free throws clearly pointed to fatigue.

No xray needed for Garrett looks like he will be fine in a few weeks

BeddieKU23 said:

No xray needed for Garrett looks like he will be fine in a few weeks

that's good to hear. - -Christmas break - - - then out the Stanford game , maybe maybe good to go against WV

jayballer73 said:

BeddieKU23 said:

No xray needed for Garrett looks like he will be fine in a few weeks

that's good to hear. - -Christmas break - - - then out the Stanford game , maybe maybe good to go against WV

He will probably be less then 100% for a while. Not good either way

BeddieKU23 said:

jayballer73 said:

BeddieKU23 said:

No xray needed for Garrett looks like he will be fine in a few weeks

that's good to hear. - -Christmas break - - - then out the Stanford game , maybe maybe good to go against WV

He will probably be less then 100% for a while. Not good either way

could of been worse. - -just hope for the best

@jayballer73

True. It looked bad. I'm hoping they dont push him to play on it less then 100% like they did for months last yr

@BeddieKU23 History suggests he will play before he is 100%. For better or for worse, I don't know.
@jayballer : Yes...I am relieved it was not worse. The way he was holding it, up high, I was worried about some type of fracture.

Hawk8086 said:

@BeddieKU23 History suggests he will play before he is 100%. For better or for worse, I don't know.
@jayballer : Yes...I am relieved it was not worse. The way he was holding it, up high, I was worried about some type of fracture.

I'm sure he will he is a tough kid who wants to play with his team. I just think if the injury isnt as serious as last season that they really let him heal. We saw how much his presence on both ends of the floor was impacted by him not being out there

I bet the injury scared him too! 🙏 for quick recovery! I'm pretty sure everyone can finally see how valuable Marcus is to our team🙄. He was trying his hardest to help on the bench!🙌🏾