So glad to see Miles doing so well, never understood why he never caught on with a NBA team here.
Happy for all the Jayhawks overseas doing well.
JRyman
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@HighEliteMajor I would just like to know why he would stay? What's the rationale?
He likes KU. He likes his teammates. He doesn't want to start over. He likes his roommate. He has a girlfriend. He likes his classes. He likes his major. His mom and dad told him he couldn't. He respects Coach Self to a fault.
And in the words of Naval Officer Candidate, Zach Mayo, "Don't you do it! Don't! You... I got nowhere else to go! I got nowhere else to g... I got nothin' else."
Thats just some of my maybes???
He has risen...
He has risen indeed!
@ralster Let me know if you find a copy of that game, mine was the same way, didn't extend the time and wasn't home to do it either. Was at the bar yelling at Nebraska fans that took MisLose's side.
I had the last laugh and walked out of said bar ala Bill Self style pumping my fist and shouting rock chalk jayhawk.
I had to leave I was the only KU fan there, my friends thought the crowd was going to kill me.
@icthawkfan316 I'm not saying he is on the level of TRob, but if he puts his time in and stays in Selfs hi/low system he could get his draft stock up there. Strike the iron when its hot.
I haven't been overt impressed with Lucas yet in his limited time on the court. He has a nice farm and height, he looks lost at times and a tad slow. Maybe two more years he breaks out? Not sure.
Would that be bad? Would be get dominated inside? Would it be a disaster?
@HighEliteMajor That is a heck of a rotation on the blocks, and could stretch the court a little with Ellis as well. Alexander in on that rotation and it's pretty stout.
Plus thats 25 fouls in the paint to give if a team had to.
@JayHawkFanToo I completely agree about private life, and that it wasn't his post, but he has to be aware of who he is, and who he is around and what he is doing where if for any chance at all he could get caught.
You are right, digital cameras and youtube would have probably ran me out of a few towns back in college, but I wasn't the starting point guard for a national power house basketball team.
Everyone needs to lighten up a little laugh today, it's Friday, geesh everyone is so clamped up coal is going to shoot out their ..........
@Crimsonorblue22 They took 5th in their relay he ran a 4:30 anchor split.
@Crimsonorblue22 Thanks, they didn't do the DMR but the 4x1600 I think today, and he runs two races tomorrow.
Weather up here is in the mid 50's going to 70 for a high, hope you guys have sunny and nice there too.
OK OK I get it I was a little rough on Tharpe, if there was a sarcasm font then I would be OK.
Don't act like everyone is so high and mighty about what the say, Im a smart ass always have been always will be, sure might cross a line here or there, but that's who I am.
If in any way my use and spelling of the word "ass" offend you, I meant no harm by it I was just stating who I am and and thats it.
@JayHawkFanToo wasn't an indictment of his game but of his naked twitter pic with the blonde.
I would never blame a season or a game completely on one guy, it takes a team to win a game, it take a team to lose a game.
@nuleafjhawk Not looking good. Again
remember those T-shirts that read "Kansas football fan since September"
Oh how I miss those days
@truehawk93 I think if the twins stay they are a 2 man team next year. I think they tasted success and want more headlines. They won't pass, they will either try and take their man off the dribble or see how deep they can hit threes from.
They come of as very egotistical and selfish players, if they stay Kentucky will really struggle. If they go I think you are on to something.
Who is that player?
@HighEliteMajor My first odds on guess would be Tharpe, he brought shame to the family.
Then I'd have to say White. Those are the only two I can really see being let go or leaving, Lucas would be a distant third, but he has to look at the future and think if he stays he could be a TRob like player when he's a senior or junior even and have that one hot season and get drafted.
If any of then go to a lower Div. school they can play right away so that might be an option for them instead of staying in D1 ball so they don't have to sit and lose a year.
@VailHawk I'm sorry but your story lost me when you said MU Alum, I thought those were mythical like the loch Ness Monster, the Yeti, and Bigfoot.
@drgnslayr I doubt it, he probably has a nice vacation home near the Ozarks, you know a double stacked double wide, with that rocking chair KU gave him on the roof so he can look for the smoke from the illegal stills in the woods.
@drgnslayr Probably still won't sit down.
Rumors up here in Nebraska are that Mizzlose wants Tim Miles and are opening their wallet to get him away from NU.
I can't see him leaving for a lateral position, especially out of the Big10 to the SEC, easier to beat Michigan St and Wisconsin than Florida and Kentucky.
Plus UNL has the Pinnacle Bank Arena which is very nice (my wife's boss has a suite there, I got to see NU v Indiana this year) and one of the top flight practice facilities in the country, even the Chicago Bulls copied it.
Whose next Mizzlose? Quinn Snyder 2.0?? hahahahaha the hair
He's got big shoes to fill in Tulsa
The big10 makes me laugh, they always say they are great in basketball and football, but they just really beat up on each other. Wisconsin started out the year on fire, then when conference play started they dropped like a flat ball. Ohio st the same thing, and their season even ended worse than KU's. Michigan has a nice team here and there but not consistent. Nebraska finished 4th this year in the Big10, really, wow. Michigan St carries them it seems year in and year out with Wisconsin a close second, but this was their first Final 4 in how many years?
Call me stubborn, but I have a hard time cheering for a team that is gunning for my team every time out. Try this pick a conference and pick your favorite team from it and just keep moving across the country, when you get to the Big12 pick a team other than Kansas that you could see yourself cheering for all year long, football, basketball and so on.
I can pop off all the other conference's with team I like, but the Big12 is hard, maybe I would choose OU, but that's if I had too.
I just have a hard time cheering on a team from our conference, maybe I stand alone, but once KU was done this year I didn't cheer for either Baylor or ISU. Why should I?
It's not like any of us thought he'd come back, but now it's official,
He gone!
I'd like to add my name to that list of transfers, not from one school to another, but from one job to another.
Yes I just typed that on a work computer, come and get me!!!!!
@icthawkfan316 if he has already decided, why wait? I don't get it
My thought is he saw what happened with Wiggins last year, all the speculation, all the extra free press surrounding his decision, his own day sorta speak. Maybe he wants that?
If he does pass on KU, I'm hoping Larry Brown gets him down at SMU. I'd even settle for Texas getting him. Anybody but Dook at this point.
I don't want him at Texas so that Barnes gets all this credit for being a good coach, when we know in all reality of the basketball world he could not coach his way out of a wet paper sack. STill can't believe he won Big12 COY this past season, over Hoiberg, Self and Krugger.
@JayHawkFanToo To add to your statement, you have to be able to move without the ball. YOu have to be able to use screens, run angles, know where the open spot on the floor is and where it is going to be when the D shifts.
You brought up Reggie Miller, he moved without the ball and could come off a screen catch and shoot. More recently Doug McDermott, he was constantly moving, if you switched on a screen he'd post up smaller guys, but he found open spaces on the floor where teammates could get him the ball.
Being a spot up shooter in todays game is risky because defenders are quick and long.
Or cut the deck and play hi/lo.... hey, that's the offense we run!
@drgnslayr You know what the "experts" would say after reading that? "All signs point to KU"
Speaking of signs, maybe hold up a One way sign that is blue and red and could read "One and done"
@drgnslayr Just saying most hat ceremonies don't seem to go our way, most of KU's guys don't even use the hats.
Why can't a kid be original and do a card trick or something, maybe some magic?
@wrwlumpy He can say what he wants now and every word could be interpited how ever you wanted, maybe his backyard is Baylor? Or maybe he looks down on the State of Oklahoma when he is saying down there.
I'll wait and rejoice or wonder when he puts on a hat on the 30th.
Oh is that a sign a hat???
@icthawkfan316 Thanks for the updates and insight.
And by the way, I'm guessing here, but it sounds like your knee cap popped out on your little high jump calamity. I'm quite sure you're not comparing that to the pounding of D-1 basketball. And I'm glad ice helped, though.
@HighEliteMajor There you go again assuming you know the facts that you know everything about everyone and everything. My knee was extended 9 degrees the wrong way, a little more than you make it sound, go ahead look at where your foot would be if your knee was 9 degrees the wrong way.
Your belittlement and entitlement are becoming annoying
And by the way, I'm guessing here, but it sounds like your knee cap popped out on your little high jump calamity. I'm quite sure you're not comparing that to the pounding of D-1 basketball. And I'm glad ice helped, though.
@HighEliteMajor No it was a complete hyper extension of the knee by 9 degrees.
I played three varsity sports for four years and did rodeo too, doctors will tell you that a long day in the saddle is worse for your knees than a 5K, the angle, the bouncing and so on. plus when you get thrown from a bull and land on your feet, that's a pounding.
I just like you have no clue what caused Embiids stress fracture, it could be from hitting the floor, or it could be connected to a knee injury some how, I would think that would be more muscle, nerve and ligament issues, but it could be. It could be that he lifted weights for the first time in his life?
Lets be honest with each other, big guys break down with weird injuries all the time, and neither one of us were around the team so we just don't know.
Coaches you say have the final word if a kid plays or not, his hobbled wheels must have been a lot better than White or Green or he wouldn't have been out there.
@drgnslayr Griffin, Beasley, Perry Jones III, DeAndre Kane, Marcus Smart, LeMarcus Aldridge, Daniel Gibson.....Along with Durant.
There are more, but those are just some for starters.
@wissoxfan83 I got that, I was saying I couldn't believe that many people would show up for an 8th grade game, but I should have added that it makes since it was HS>
There aren't many states that do allow an 8th grader to move up like that, but hey if he's that good.....let him play he will only get better playing against older bigger guys.
@HighEliteMajor I saw Embiid's knee bow, and I had the same thing while high jumping, went to plant and whamo, but mine didn't bounce back it stuck and had to be popped back into place. That was a monday, went and jumped Saturday and won with a jump of 6-1 with only misses at 6-2. It was swollen and sore, but ice helped.
As for Joels injury, he got tossed to the floor at the ISU game too, not just the OKst game. Stress fractures happen over time, that's what my Dr told me anyway when I had some in them Tibia.
You are right Self controls who goes in and out of the game. But he doesn't have a Dr. report in front of him during the game, so he has to take a players word for it if they can go back in. If he see's they are slow, or limping then he knows they lied and they come out. How many games did Selden sit out for extended minutes??? Maybe Self was holding his playing time down??? Wasn't there I don't know.
Big Picture, kids want to play, thats why they are there, it's why they accepted a scholarship, they know it can be a means to an end for them, free school, a career making millions down the road. Self sat Embiid, the big picture there was for his health, not for the team.
Everybody heals differently too, some guys can play hurt others can't. In Jrhigh I couldn't, but as I got older and took some ribbing from my dad on toughness I learned I could play through about anything and I did, a split lip, sprained ankles, hyper-extended knee, concussions too. Do I suffer from any of them now? Yes I do, I have memory loss, loss of ballance, I walk with a slight limp, and a bigger one after climbing stairs. My ankles roll if I step on a pebble on the sidewalk, I do not have a lisp so I got that going for me.
We all do stupid things when we were younger and we felt our bodies healed quicker. Competitors want to compete, they want to win, they don't want to sit in street close on the bench. Look at the face of Joel, you could tell he didn't want to be there.
@wissoxfan83 I was wondering how they got such a big crowd for an 8th grade game.
But with the urban sprawl the smaller schools have to do what they have to do to fill a roster. I know about 8-9 years ago my old high school finished a District finals game with 4 guys on the floor, ala Hoosiers. Two kids fouled out, another got hurt, and two brothers had moved away a few months earlier. They lost the game by 8 points, almost made it to state, but the Omaha World Herald wrote up an article about it comparing it to Hoosiers too.
@JRyman And before you all pile on saying that Self controls who goes in and out of a game, if he asked Selden, how his knee felt and Wayne told him it was fine, what is the coach to do? Bench one of his top players because he thinks he might be lying to him?
I know there would be an MRI, or CT scan or W-Ray showing he had an injury, but if it's one of those you can still play on then why not? Pride, emotions, for your teammates, for your school, for the fans, for your parents. It all makes the pain go away and you just play on it.
I played hurt, not because a coach told me too or pushed me to or used his Jedi mind tricks on me. I played hurt for a few reasons, the first one and most importantly self pride. Secondly I didn't want to have to answer to my dad as why I wasn't playing or what was wrong.
I pushed through an ankle injury my senior year of basketball that the Dr said I would have been better off breaking it. That was a Thursday night. I played 8 days later a little slower, a little lower but I still played and it hurt. But I wasn't letting anyone else know how bad it was killing me but the pain of missing a game my senior year would have been worse.
Don't throw this on Coach Self by any means. Look at the NFL with concussions and how they have to hide the helmets of these guys to keep them out of games. They know it will increase their odds of brain damage, memory loss, and more, but they still want to go out and play.
I posted this video on one of the PG threads earlier of an 8th grader, now I found him a teammate.
Watch both videos and who knows??
Here's Why This 8th Grader Is Nicknamed 'The New White Chocolate' (VIDEO) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/11/jordan-mccabe-the-new-white-chocolate_n_5133442.html ↗
OK hopefully he doesn't always where the bandaid under his eye like Nelly.
I don't know which way I lean on this. Sure it's nice to have guys here 3 to 4 years, we get to know them, we know about their lives and we take a rooting interest in them once they leave. Having a OAD gives us hope that we can capture the moment in a year, it gives us headlines, they give us excitement.
We have seen both philosophies work in other places, but we have seen both fail at those same places. Kentucky won it all one year not two years later. Michigan St has won it all with older kids, but then this senior class failed to reach the Final 4 for the first time in Izzo's tenure.
I can't say we shouldn't recruit them, if we are settling for lower ranked guys, then are we settling on just being average? If a OAD wants to come to Kansas, then why not???
The recruitment of solid players that were 2 and 3 stars worked for the football team, it won them an Orange Bowl playing the Rodney Dangerfield card of no respect, but can that work in a BCS conference top tier basketball program?
I like both sides of it in different ways, having Wiggins this year was nice. Having Withey, Releford, Young and EJ was nice too.
I don't think you can discount that having an Andrew Wiggins come through the program and speak high praises of his time here, that it won't reflect on other top tier players, maybe they will be OAD's maybe they will be more like Selden and stick around for two maybe three years?
I have seen arguments for and against both, can't agree with them all nor disagree with the other half. Call me a middle of the road guy on this one, I can see both sides of it.
I look at point guards the same way I look at QBs, you should recruit one for every incoming class.
You don't know who will materialize into your system the way you want.
You don't know about injuries.
You don't know who will transfer out.
It's a position with too much importance not to have one or two capable backups. It's a position that determines the way your team plays, fast or slow, solid D or help D. They are a leader on the floor and off, they are teachers on the court an extension of the head coach.
SO why recruit one every three years, when you should be recruiting one in every incoming class.
Apparently they all thought it was the second half and couldn't get back in the stadium???
@brooksmd NICE!!!!!!
Here's my thought process on a new PG, I am waiting for after the team banquet and see what is said there. Maybe they next day or two after there will be an announcement of who is transferring out and so on.
Then at that point we as fans will know where we stand with scholarships, and who is here and who is gone. Hopefully Turner will sign soon (with us) and we can also set up from there.
We can all speculate with who stays who goes, but I think Self has an idea of what he's up to.
I don't hate all the time, but when I do hate, I hate Missouri Tiger fans.
Stay Victorious my friends
Found a PG for the future. He's only in 8th grade now but just imagine
Here's Why This 8th Grader Is Nicknamed 'The New White Chocolate' (VIDEO)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/11/jordan-mccabe-the-new-white-chocolate_n_5133442.html ↗
@JayHawkFanToo very true. I am just saying if they want MORE money then they should have to pay fines.
Let coaches fine players too, so Tharpe getting a nude selfie would be a $500 fine. Marcus Smart's pushing of a fan would be set by the Conference, but his kicking of the chair would get him fined by his coach or school, if they don't step up then the conference would.
Get a technical foul, you get fined and so on, but the biggest fine should be for flopping, it's ridicoulous it is even allowed.
@JayHawkFanToo Well if they are going to pay college athletes,
THEY SHOULD FINE THEM TOO!!!!!!!!!!!
@Crimsonorblue22 Yes it is, to play in the second semester of college all you have to do is pass your first semester.
If you are not coming back you don't have to go. That's why you here these kids going to Vegas for a week of training, or the Brother Wiggins back home in Totonto watching a Raptors game.
I do not like any of the rules Cal has laid out.
For one simple reason. If they would work, he would be up in front of everyone saying it was his idea and he was right.
We don't ever need that to happen.
@Crimsonorblue22 No once you decide to go pro you don't have to go to class anymore. As per the APR rules, as long as he leaves in good academic standing it will not hurt the University.