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@drgnslayr

I believe that for the last games Northern Iowa was selected to represent the US and they ended up 9th, so this is not the first time a school rather than a all-star/combined team is representing the US.

Also, if I understand correctly, the rules call for "incoming freshman and transfers are usually eligible" so it would seem that Bragg and Diallo*** (if he signs with KU) would be eligible as would Thorne, provided they enroll for the summer which most players do so they can avail themselves of the facilities.

Last, maybe the NBA agreement does not allow players to play in the University games, but until Oubre actually signs with a NBA team he is free to do what he wants and he would be eligible; obviously the team that picks him would not be happy (too much risk) and there is always the chance they have an agreement that as condition to pick him he cannot play in the games; I see this as a real possibility, particularly if he is a lottery pick.

*** Correction- Diallo is not eligible to play for the US.

@Crimsonorblue22

What a great ambassador for KU and a great asset to his team and community at large Ben has turned out to be.

@drgnslayr

I am not the only one that came out with that impression based on his Nike Hoops Summit performance; SB Nation ↗posted basically the same thing....

When you consider that he wants to play only half a season, I juts don't see too many programs going along with that. Of course there is always the chance that if he comes for half a season he might end up staying another, but that is a big gamble.

Wiggins posterizing dunk • Apr 14, 2015 04:11 AM

@Crimsonorblue22

I agree. I am sure that working on his game 24/7 with the best trainers and coaches in the business had had a big effect in his game.

@drgnslayr

From what I have seen, Maker would play behind Lucas and probably Mickelson as well. The whole Maker "legend" was predicated on one highlight video and when playinmg against capable players he is really over matched. Based on my limited viewing of him, he would appear to be a long term project...although I could well be wrong.

@DoubleDD

Recruits dd not know who would be staying or leaving at UK and in part, this is why so many of the top recruits waited, He still has the top ranked class so there is no problem there.. UK is tied in long term contract with Nike so I don't believe there is an issue there either. Much ado about nothing.

@HighEliteMajor

interesting. I am not sure how to factor that Black was "kinda/sorta" the odd man out at Memphis in his last year there and his numbers are probably lower that they would have been otherwise.

I know that there are several players left with KU in their lists, but do you think that a Diallo/Thorne combination is the best possible outcome for KU? After watching Thon Maker I believe he is just not ready for prime time and Zimmerman's attitude is not conductive to success at KU and those are the other options at this time, although Georgios Papagiannis is an interesting prospect but likely to stay in Europe and make money while getting ready for the NBA.

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar • Apr 13, 2015 10:44 PM

@jaybate-1.0

As KU fans we all have a built-in bias in favor of Chamberlain but it is hard not to consider Jabbar as comparable or maybe even better.

They played mostly in different ears and when Jabbars was starting to develop, Wilt was getting ready to retire. Wilt was almost alone physically during his playing career while Jabbar had a lot more competition, which makes any meaningful comparison between the two difficult. Athletes have improved over the years and will continue to do so but even when you consider modern training and techniques, Wilt was an athletic freak regardless of era.

I know most all-time rankings tend to list Jabbar and Russel at the top and Wilt in third place among centers but you could rank them in a different order and still have a good case. The Russel comparison is the one I have the most problems with since the argument is always made that Russel's teams won the majority of head to head games; however, Russell had a much ,much better supporting cast than Wilt, but Wilt invariably had better individual numbers than Russell. in their head to head games.

Oh well, no right or wrong answer in this subject.

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar • Apr 13, 2015 10:08 PM

@KansasComet

Didn't hurt that he was 7' something...

@jaybate-1.0

I don't agree that the Colonial and the A-10 are comparable; it is not even close. What you are saying is that if Smart wins 70% of his games in the Big 12, then the Big 12 and the Colonial are comparable? I don't think so. In the A-10 Smart simply got better players befitting the better conference and thus his percentage stayed basically the same; in the Big 12 he will get better players at Texas and his record will likely stay around 70%. The A-10 is consistently ranked in the 6-8 range and sends 3-4 teams to the dance every year while the Colonial is more in the 16-20 range and only send the automatic qualifier.

Here is a conference ranking ↗for last season...

And here is one for the previous years ↗. You can check previous years and records against top 25 and top 50 and you will see that this two conferences are not comparable, no way, no how, no ma'am.

@drgnslayr

Alabama much like Texas and most Southern schools is a football school and basketball is what they watch while they wait for football. KU is the opposite, like Duke, Kentucky, UNC, and others it is a basketball school and football is what we watch until basketball starts. Football is king at Alabama, basketball is king at KU. This is not to say that we cannot have a decent football program, Mangino proved we could, but basketball will always come first.

@wrwlumpy

Isn't one of them dating the Unibrow?

@Statmachine

It would be a HUGE selling point...unfortunately it is not allowed since all the cheering squads are part of the Athletic Department.

@Lulufulu

His biggest recruiter, WWW, is still with him...

@nuleafjhawk

Dang Nuleaf...you had to bring up Carmelo after the KU-Arizona posts? This is one punch to the gut and one to the mouth of every KU fan... :( :( :(

@drgnslayr

My comment was in response to this statement:

"there is no single player that is ever going to put us on his back and carry us to basketball glory. "

Danny did...and yes, I am aware that he was 4 year player like all of them were back then. The closes for a OAD is the Unibrow at Kentucky...and he had a very good supporting cast.

@drgnslayr

if I understand correctly, only half of the residents at the facility can be athletes and the other has to be non-athlete students. A comparable football facility would have to house at least 200 students (100 football players) and the cost would be prohibitive. The KU basketball facility is supposed to host the men and women basketball players as well as 34 other students and the cost is close to $18M; a comparable football facility would cost close to $60M for a program that wins very little...I just don't see it, alt least snot at this time.

@nuleafjhawk

Danny Manning?

@jaybate-1.0

I am not sure how the MAC comes into play; maybe you mean the A-10? The A-1o is a much better conference than the Colonial, it is not even close and this the reason why VCU moved to the A-10. The A-10 usually sends 3-4 teams to the tournament while the Colonial only send the automatic qualifier. When a program changes conferences it normally does it to move move up, not down. Just my opinion.

@HighEliteMajor

What is your opinion of Thorne? To me he looks like the last girl left at the bar after last cal,l and much like Tarik last year, he is getting looks from top programs trying to use up leftover scholarships, including Kentucky, Arizona, KU, Pitt and St Johns. The difference is that although both payed in Conference USA Tarik had decent number in a team that was always at the top, while Thorne has OK numbers in a team that has always been towards the bottom (tied for 11th last season) and I just don't see him getting close to those numbers in the Big 12. Would he really be an improvement over Lucas and Michelson or just another player fighting for scarce minutes?

I would say that since he ties the scholarship for only one year, get him only if there is no other 2-4 year player that can be signed and developed. Thoughts?

@dylans

That is the one loss that every true Jayhawk fan will always remember...including the painful details.

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@dylans

You left a big name, Raef LaFrentz. Also, if I recall correctly CB Mcgrath was in that team but did not play in that game and Hasse had the wrist injury and played only a limited amount of time. Last Jason Kidd played for California not Arizona and your are probably thinking of Mike Bibby and/or Miles Simon.

As I have said before, the NCAA Tournament is a all about match ups and lots of luck. KU should have won that year and maybe a couple of others, instead won in '88 when it really should have not.

@HawksWin

I don't like Cal either or what he has done to the sport but regardless of how I feel personally, I will not say he is a poor coach. We are all entitled to our own opinions and our own biases.

Cal/UK has the #1 class and seems to be doing just fine; as usual he is just reloading.

@jaybate-1.0

A couple of thing to consider. Smart has not won a single conference title in either the Colonial or the A-10 where coaches are familiar with his style of play and know how to play against it. While the A-10 is a decent conference the Colonial is really not, Miller's record is in in the A-10 and the PAC-12, a tougher conference than the Colonial. No doubt Miller's record is against better competition than Smart's.

Here is recent ranking ↗of coaches and Miller is ahead of Smart, 10 and 12.

Here is the ESPN ranking ↗where Miller is ranked ahead.

I have looked at several others and invariably Miller is ranked ahead of Smart. We will soon find out if Smart can win in a top conference; Miller, on the other hand, has won titles in both the A-10 and the Pac-12. Like I said, his style of play can be effective but has a ceiling and players with NBA aspirations will not want to play in that system since it is not one that prepares you for the League; my guess is that Texas will be a middle of the pack team in the conference. Like I said, we will find out soon enough.

@wissoxfan83

Simien also carried the dreaded Tweener label and even though he was Big 12 player of the year and 1st team All-American, he dropped to pick #29 in the draft, a clear indication that NBA scouts did not think he was worth a high pick and his potential was limited, and after that he really never had much of chance in the NBA, perhaps partly because his heart was not there and he had a higher calling. I have heard him speak and he is truly an inspirational individual that is affecting more lives in a positive way through his ministry than he would in the NBA; as you probably know, he is also the Chaplain of the KU basketball team.

@wissoxfan83

Gooden has been getting decent playing time with Washington and has even started a few games for them.

@jaybate-1.0

I disagree on Miller. He had a very good record at Mid-Major Xavier and in 5 years he took the team to the NCAA every year except for the first, finished 1st in the conference on his last 3 years on the first 2 he finished 2nd and 7th. I understand that you don't like Sean Miller but there is no question that he is a very good coach and his record clearly show that. On his last year he went to the sweet 16 and in the previous season he went to the Elite 8, so no, he did not leave as soon as he had one good season. As a Dayton follower/fan and I am very familiar with his record since Xavier is Dayton's biggest rival and vice versa.

@Lulufulu

He is having really good season with the Halifax Rainmen ↗of the Canadian League.

@jaybate-1.0

At this time and based on the style of plays he runs, I just don't see a lot of big time recruits flocking to Texas since Smart's style of play is not something that leads to the NBA. The 40 minutes of "whatever" had his heyday with Arkansas a lifetime ago when it was first introduced and since then it has had little success; Smart has not even been able to win conference titles in the last 6 years. I believe that the "legend" of Shaka Smart, based mostly on a fluke win over KU, is a lot more impressive than the reality. Just my opinion.

@HighEliteMajor

Let me start with the premise that no HS kid comes ready to play Division I basketball; some come with serious flaws that the coaching staff has to wean them off before it even starts working on improving their games. Some kids are more ready to get up to speed than others and might require a few months while others will need 2 or even 3 years before they are ready. Diallo appears to be in the group that, while not quite ready for prime time, he is not that far away form being a decent contributor, more so than other players; he had a decent game at the Nike hoops Summit and his team operated a lot better with him on the court. Simmons was in my opinion the most ready player in the game and Thon Maker a big disappointment and really not even close to being ready to play with big boys; he needs at least one more year in HS to improve his game, way too many flaws right now and not even close to where Embiid was at a comparable time...way, way too hyped for what he brings to the table at this time

The Need For Intelligent Recruiting • Apr 11, 2015 10:23 PM

@Wigs2

Yes, there is talk but it is just wishful thinking; that horse left the barn and there is no bringing it back. If you read the stories you cited, this item is always mentioned as a segue to the application of the baseball rule. The unintended consequences of making freshmen ineligible would destroy the sport, all the good players would skip college and who wants to watch a NCAA tournament full of players that are not good enough to play in the NBA?

Site outage • Apr 11, 2015 08:16 PM

@julian

We also have 25K+ Users...:)

The Need For Intelligent Recruiting • Apr 11, 2015 08:07 PM

@Wigs2

In today's environment the NCAA could not reinstate the freshman ineligibility rule. The game, the players and the environment no longer fit that rule; frankly, you are the only person I have heard on the subject. The students don't want it, the schools don't want it and except for the very wealthy programs, most don't have the money to support two teams. As much as we complain about the level of the game. the average HS prospect is physically at the level a college sophomore was 40+ years ago when the freshman rule was in effect; likewise, the current average OAD lottery pick plays a at higher level than a first round pick college senior 40+ years ago. The iPhone has more computer power than the mainframes NASA had in 1969 when it placed two astronauts on the moon...things change and we cannot go back to a rule that was applicable 50 years ago but now it makes zero sense.

You are right insofar that the NBA cannot force anything on the NCAA and does not, and I did not say it did; however, the entire OAD issue is predicated by the NBA rule that outlines eligibility to join the League. There is really nothing the NCAA can do to change the NBA rule to affect one way or another the OAD issue. If, as you suggest, the NCAA reinstates the freshman ineligibility rule, players will simply skip college and either play overseas, join a Development League, go to basketball academy to play an extra year and college basketball will wilt away since any player with potential of a pro career would not go to college...more likely, the NBA would do away with their own rule and select who they want. The NCAA cannot force the NBA to do anything any more than the NBA can force the NCAA; they are difference type of organizations with different goals and objectives and each will do what fits their plans best.

Frankly, the best way to bring parity to college basketball is to allow the best prospect to go straight to the League and bypass UK all together, and the ones that go to college cannot join the League for 3 years. This would allow the ubber-talented players to go straight to the League and the rest would have 3 years to bring their game up to the level that they can join the NBA and have decent chance to succeed, plus they would have the benefit of completing 3 years of college which would allow many to graduate and the rest can comeback and in one extra year get a degree if their NBA careers do not work...a win-win situation as it would prevent situations as Josh Selby's with no chance of playing in the League or getting a degree.

I saw the video of the Skal Labissiere - Thon Maker practice and I am not impressed with either one. The scoop on Maker is that he is has huge potential but he is extremely unpolished at this time...yes, he can overwhelm HS kids but in college it would be a different story. I just don't see who would be foolish enough to waste scholarship on player that obviously does not want to try very hard and play just one semester...I just prefer he goes somewhere else and take "I have a really bad attitude and a sense of entitlement " Zimmerman with him.

@Crimsonorblue22

I was thinking about posting the same info. Also, the twins are both starting for Phoenix.

The Need For Intelligent Recruiting • Apr 10, 2015 10:12 PM

@Wigs2

The OAD issue was not created by the NCAA and there is not much it can do about it. The OAD rule is an NBA rule that indicates that in order to play in the NBA a player has to be at least 19 years old and be one year removed from his graduating HS class. The NBA could go the way baseball does, you can go to the League straight from College but if you go to college first, you have to wait 3 years...there you have it, problem solved. Most of the true OAD players would move straight to the NBA (and bypass UK) and the rest stay in college for 3 years or go play overseas.

Great news for KU. Selden is really not a flashy player but he is a solid player. If he becomes more consistent, he could be the ace in the hole for KU and work his way into a first round pick.

@Bosthawk

This link ↗has most everything you need to know about Perry staying or leaving.

One question, if Perry leaves, does KU become a better option for some of the top players since it frees 30+ minutes per game for the 3/4 position?

The Need For Intelligent Recruiting • Apr 10, 2015 06:30 PM

@drgnslayr

...and with so many players leaving UK every year the chance of schoolies not being available for top players is extremely small. :)

@jaybate-1.0

I finally found it. Here is the entire transcript of Pitino's comments on the subject; I am going to guess that they can be interpreted in many different since they are ambiguous enough...although I find it hard to believe that he just found out about the shoe company's influence.

Anything in particular on your list?

I think we need to deal with the ... What I personally don't like, and I've seen it over the past five years, I don't like -- I can't recuirt a kid because he wears Nike in the AAU circuit. I mean that's -- I've never heard of such a thing, and it's happening in our world. Or, he's on the Adidas circuit so the Nike schools don't want to recruit him. I never thought that shoes would be the reason you wouldn't recruit players. It's a factor. I think we need to deal with that. We need to get the shoe companies out of the lives of young athletes. We need to get it back to where parents and coaches have more of a say than peripheral people. That's easier said than done. I don't know how to do that. That's like trying to get the runners out of the game. We try our best to do that, but I don't know how to do that.

Do you think you're at a disadvantage not being a Nike school?

I think our pool shrinks. Our pool shrinks. But, that being said, in the last few years we're having some of the best recruiting classes that we've had in the last 13. It almost makes us -- I realized looking back on it how much time and effort I've wasted because I wouldn't believe what I just said.

Are there players who specifically said they can't come play for you because you're not ...

No, they don't say they can't come, but the outside influences from the shoe companies and the AAU coaches know that if that kid goes to an Adidas school, he may not get renewed by Nike. It's the outside influence. It's not actually the kid who cares. But you know, if you guys are influential in a young person's life and you said, 'boy, you should really go to Kentucky, they're a Nike school.' He doesn't have to say a Nike school, he just has to say Kentucky. Everybody's in that court because you're all working for that shoe company. I think that's a bigger problem than whether you guarantee scholarships, but nobody wants to talk about that. Why nobody wants to talk about that is because it's money related. Any time it's money related, schools -- University of Louisville makes a lot of money through Adidas, so you don't really ... I think it needs to be cleaned up.

I've always wished the NCAA would do it -- I've written letters about it -- I wish the NCAA would run the camps in the summertime so then everybody gets explained to them all the NCAA rules -- what you can do, what you can't do -- by the NCAA. So they run the camps and they tell us when to go in and watch and they legislate all of that. That would be a great way to spend all that money, that war chest that they have. I don't think they want to do that.

And by the way, I'm not speaking about a personal situation that just happened to us. That really wasn't the case, believe it or not. I'm talking about, in the last five years, I've seen a tremendous change on this. Believe me, it's a very competitive thing by these shoe companies to get players. I mean they're going out and recruiting like us in the summertime. 'Let's get this kid in EYBL and this kid in Adidas Nation,' and they're competing like us for recruits. It's very tough to address because our pockets are lined with their money.

Do you think there's a relationship between their money and high school players?

I think the high school players are all getting shoes and they're all getting uniforms to play in the AAU circuit. I don't think there's anything illegal, but they're all getting shoes and apparel and the AAU programs are getting taken care of by the shoe companies. We all know that. It's out in the open. Some of these AAU programs get paid a lot of money to run their program. There are the elite programs, and some of them are very good, very good. But what I've learned is, if I go in and there's a Nike program and they're getting paid a grand sum of money, Louisville's not going to come in and recruit them. It doesn't make sense because they might get that grand sum of money down the road if they don't go to those schools. Same thing with Adidas. If they're an Adidas school, the Nike ...

I just learned this. I never believed it until the last couple of years. That's a problem that needs more addressing, not to go off on this tangent, but that's a problem that's really prevalent in basketball.

Do you think there are a lot of other coaches who feel the same way?

I'm sure the Nike coaches don't feel that way (laughs). Because they're winning the battle.

**Why have you been successful (recruiting) despite that advantage?
**
It took me a long time to realize who I'm going after and we've finally done a good job with that.

So you stay away from Nike kids?

No, not stay away, we just know the programs that are really influenced -- the really marquee programs -- that are influenced by them. It's not just Nike. Under Armour's a big player in this now. Under Armour's become the second-largest (apparel) company in the United States, right? They're competing and competing hard. I wish it wasn't there. I think it's going to be there a long, long time, as long as we're getting paid by those schools.

If that's the case, then how do you adjust long-term? Do you recommend going to Nike?

No, no. I don't think that's the answer. The answer for us is to find out what athlete is involved in which AAU program. How loyal is he to that AAU program? What outside influences in that program push him and direct him toward Nike schools. So we have to do our homework and be very diligent. Obviously the last two years, we've been very diligent because we've had great success.

Before the new Adidas deal, was that something you addressed with Tom or anybody in the athletic department?

I have my own choices to make for which shoe company. I'm sort of separate from the university in that regard, though we're sort of tied in together. I'm very comfortable where we are with Adidas because we're having great success. If I didn't feel we were having great success, I would recommend that we go with Under Armour or go with Nike, whoever it may be. It was my fault, not the shoe company or the university, that I didn't do a good enough job finding out and researching how big certain factors are with certain people. It's nobody's fault but my own.

Is there a concern, being one of the higher-profile programs, that whatever comes that way that you're connected with them vs. Nike?

As long as you do your homework, you're fine. I didn't do my homework. The shoe companies aren't to blame. They're playing the ultimate competitive game. Who can be No. 1? Right now, Nike's No. 1. Under Armour's making a push. They're competing like we're competing. We've got to make sure that we know that it doesn't matter to the kids. Those kids are the kids we want to go after.

FWIW, this is what Rob Dauster of College Basketball talk on NBC had to say:

I have a couple thoughts on this:

  • There’s zero chance that I believe that Rick Pitino found out about shoe company influence in the last five years. Zero.

  • I think the influence that these shoes companies is a bit overblown. Andrew Wiggins, the prospect with the most marketability that has come through high school ranks since LeBron and Kevin Durant, was a Nike kid all through high school. He went to Kansas, an Adidas school. In this year’s recruiting class for Kansas includes Cliff Alexander and Kelly Oubre, both of who were Nike kids and are two of the best pro prospects in the Class of 2014. Duke just earned a commitment from Chase Jeter, who played his AAU ball with the same Adidas program that produced Shabazz Muhammad.

  • That said, I believe that what Pitino is saying about shoe companies is precisely what happened with Blakeney. The kid picked an Adidas school, the people around him — those that make their money from the swoosh — were not happy about it, Blakeney decommits. It’s not a pretty situation, but I’m not sure it’s the epidemic Pitino makes it out to be.

Lots of "food for thought" for the thought foodies...:)

How Bad Can This Get? • Apr 10, 2015 06:03 PM

@Wigs2

How about this gem...

Because of some conflicts in the international calendar for 2015, USA Basketball decided it would be best this time to select a college team to represent America in the international event.

Deputy head of USA Delegation Craig Jonas said he looked at a matrix of criteria to help pick the college team, including five-year record (KU was No. 1), next year’s preseason rankings, returning players and last year's RPI finish.

“When you went through the machinery of all those factors,” Jonas said, “KU was our number one choice.”

KU will also have extended practice time in the summer and will start the season with a lot more of that than any other team. The last time the US won gold was in 2005 and the last team finished 9th, so the expectations are not high, but KU can milk the exposure for all it 's worth. All in all a win-win situation.

How Bad Can This Get? • Apr 10, 2015 05:42 PM

@stupidmichael

Selden and Ellis are in different situations. Selden has the build to play in the NBA but has not yet mastered the technique and his basketball IQ is not quite there yet. Ellis is the opposite, he has the technique and basketball IQ but he has a physical ceiling. At this time, Selden would likely not be selected in the first two rounds where Ellis would likely go in the second and maybe even sneak into the first round, although the later is unlikely. Easy decision om Selden, on Perry? not so much.

The Need For Intelligent Recruiting • Apr 10, 2015 05:34 PM

@BeddieKU23

Good points. However, this particular class has been difficult to read because so many top players are still unsigned, no doubt waiting to see who declares and who stays and who will have available playing time. 7 of the top 12 players are still unsigned and all 7 have KU in their list of candidate schools; all we really need is one (two would be better) capable C/PF and with Bragg we will be in very good shape.....it makes you yearn for the predictable days when only senior left and underclassmen stayed hoping to get playing time in their junior and senior years...the good ol' days.

How Bad Can This Get? • Apr 10, 2015 05:17 PM

@Wigs2

I am with @Crimsonorblue22 in relation to the importance of the upcoming games; KU will get a lot of exposure that could help the program. We had discussion in the past on whether coaching the National team helped Coach K with recruiting and the consensus appeared to be that it did. I am hoping that the exposure of representing the country will help KU as well.

@sfbahawk

If you read all my posts from the time I joined this forum right after it started, you will see that I have mentioned on many occasions that politics should not be discussed, and this Forum should be strictly sports; more specifically KU Sports. In fact, and based on my complaining, @jaybate-1.0 at one point suggested adding "999" or something along those lines to threads not related to KU basketball.

I did not make a political point; my comment was in relation to the topic (being discussed at the time) of altering figures to fit different agendas and, in my humble opinion, global warming is a good example of that. I personally (as an engineer/scientist) do not see it as political issue, although I has been used in that context, but as an issue of professional and scientific integrity and my post was solely in that context. You will note that I indicated my willingness to discuss the subject it in a different forum (of your choice).

Again, I would respectfully suggest that you review my history on the subject before you pass judgement on me.

P.S. I do know what redstate.com is and I do not subscribe to it or any other publication that places labels. I get my news from several sources and then I form my own opinion.

Hoibergs surgery • Apr 10, 2015 04:28 PM

Best wishes to coach Hoiberg hoping he will have swift and full recovery; the League can use more coaches like him.

Having said that, this is why he is highly unlikely to coach in the NBA or any other team (National) other than ISU.

How Bad Can This Get? • Apr 10, 2015 04:23 PM

Have a little faith; Coach has done it before and he will do it again...trust thy Self!

@jaybate-1.0

A couple of points. Cleveland needed a big name, talented "big" since Varejao was doubtful and Love (arguably a top 10 NBA player) was by far the best available big; in the other hand, the Cavs had several wing players like Wiggins including LeBron himself, so it was really a no brainer to trade an unknown commodity like Wiggins for a known performer like Love. I have not heard anyone say that the trade was shoeco driven; maybe you can cite your source for that assertion.

Also, you said:

"And while Wigs has played well in Minnesota, It would appear not to have helped Wig's career much as an endorser to play in a small midwestern market, like Minneapolis, as opposed to having played with Lebron in Cleveland, a larger market team in the Eastern Time Zone."

Again, I am not sure where you get your numbers but the Minneapolis/St. Paul market ↗ where Wiggins plays is almost 50% larger than the Cleveland/Akron market ↗ and it has a lot less competition form other regional sports teams. In fact, Wiggins went from the smaller Cleveland market to the much larger Minneapolis market.

Also, you started with Nike having 77% of the NBA players but the numbers indicate that there are 127 out of roughly 420-450 players or a tad under 30% (Adidas 82 players is roughly 20%); this is a big discrepancy that pretty much negates your conclusion of a Nike dominated NBA, wouldn't you agree? I am curious as to where you get your 77% and 23% numbers, mine come from Wikipedia that the shoecos would certainly correct if they are wrong...they might not be exact numbers but at least there are numbers with a source cited and I have not seen anything that would lead me to believe they are incorrect.

We may or may not agree on the numbers and conclusions but it has been an interesting and enlightening discussion and I believe we all now have at least a little more information on the subject than before. This is always a good thing..