Correct. If I recall correctly I also posted a link with the player distribution by brand.
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Like many predicted, once the games get tougher the platoon game plan goes away. Against Louisville, only 9 UK players saw playing time and of those 9 players 7 used up 179 out of 200 minutes or 90% of the available playing time...so much for the platoon. Once games get tougher, although on the weak SEC it does not seem likely, the platoon will be seen less and less and it will be interesting to see how the players that lose playing time react. Just sayin'...
My post was in reference to college basketball and not necessarily HS. There is no question that the college game (and by extension the HS game) is played at much higher level now than it was 40 years ago. With higher level of play there is a bigger chance of injury, however, the better training methods probably offset the injuries, so it is probably a wash, and I would guess the number of injuries has remained the same. Just my personal observation and I could be wrong.
Some players have intangibles that are hard to evaluate based on the pure numbers. For example, if you look at Kirk Hinrich (Chicago Bulls) numbers, they don't look that good and they are all down this season, particularly his shooting; however, he continues to get extended play time because one, he plays good defense and two, he has intangibles that make the team operate better when he plays. When he was off for several games due to injury, every game recap had a blurb that indicated he was still out. I imagine Selden brings that type of intangibles that Coach Self feels make the team better.
Every year the game is played at a higher level; the average athlete of today is more developed than the average athlete of 30 years ago, so naturally there is a bigger risk if injury, furthermore, 30 years ago, the younger players did not play as much and the upper class-men players carried the load and were better prepared physically to do that; that is no longer the case and first year players are expected to contribute. Also new training methods have helped reduce injuries and if you look at injuries over the years I will guess the number of injuries has not changed dramatically, what has changed is the access we have to information that makes us more aware of them. 30 years ago, the only way to know about injuries was to read the newspaper or listen to sports shows on the radio, now with the Internet, all that information is readily available.
The issue with Green is that he is one the more one-dimensional player I have seen in a long time. He can hit threes, when he is in the groove and can hit FT all the time; however, his defense and passing, or lack thereof, are a big concern. The question boils down to...does his shooting offsets his liabilities? At this time I would have to say than other than playing as a "designated shooter" on specific situations, his playing time will likely not increase, particularly with Oubre's recent play.
Interestingly enough, some one did an analysis of the missed free throws a while back and KU got a fair amount of rebounds off the missed free throws that resulted in points, so the missed free throws did not hurt KU as much as it would appear; I was surprised too. I will try too find the story and post a link.
Time Warner and Comcast (the only two providers in the KC Metro area that carry the blacked out KU games) are the two most hated and with worst customer satisfaction firms of any business in the Country...
Lowest customer satisfaction... ↗
My agreement with Surewest was up and I looked into switching to Comcast so I could get the blacked out games. I talked to sales via phone call and got one set of information and prices, did an on-line chat and got completely different information, stopped by their office in Olathe and was told the information I got from the other two "official" Comcast sources was wrong and was given a third set of information. I decided to stay with Surewest, since I could not get a straight answer from Comcast...and this is who Zenger wants me to sign with? Un-effing-believable. Time Warner is not even available in my area. Zenger needs to have the contract modified or be fired; amazing that an Athletic Director would agree to such a bad contract.
This is the deepest the Leagues has ever been and it is by far the top league in college basketball.
9 teams have received at one time or another top 25 votes.
6 teams currently in the top 25
This might be the year the conference sends 8 teams to the dance and sets a record (80%) that will never be broken.
The Big 12 has by far the best record of any conference prior to conference play.
Other than Texas Tech. (and maybe K-State that has underperformed) all conference teams are capable of winning at home against most ever other conference team.
4 loses will very likely likely win the conference, 5 losses might win the conference. It would not surprise me to see the conference winner have 6 losses.
What I was saying is that if you play him when he is tired it will not help his development as players tend to play sloppier and foul when they get tired. I am not sure Cliff is in shape to play hard for 30 minutes a game and pacing him and gradually improving his playing time might be the better option.
I agree with you. Hudy is at the very top of college trainers and being in a university environment she is a logical candidate to be part of research studies.
However, the majority of trainers for professional franchises are equally or better qualified; they just keep a low profile and keep their methods and resources confidential since it gives them an advantage in a world of super high prized athletes. The training they do is also quite different; in college trainers work with young men and the main objective is to smooth the transition from the HS to the college level and develop their young bodies. In the pros they are working with grown men that by and large are, at the peak of their development and the emphasis is keeping them healthy throughout the season. A good number of professional; athletes also have their own (and very expensive) trainers.
Inexperienced players such as Alexander tend to commit quick fouls at the start of games. So Coach Self not starting him could be helping him.
Also, when players get tired they tend to commit more fouls when they cannot keep up with the player they are guarding; this wold be even more pronounced once conference play starts and competition becomes tougher with many experience centers. It is not a reach to surmise that starting and playing more minutes would result in a greater chance of fouling out.
I was referring to teams whose name and mascot start with a "B" such as the Bucknell Bisons, Butler Bulldogs and Bradley Braves...
Good post and good points. I have been saying for a while that a lack of a decent supporting cast has affected Ellis. TRob had had a great junior season because he had Withey; every time he got beaten by the player he was guarding he could depend on Withey to have his back and guard the rim. Ellis does not have any thing close to that right now.
The only fly in the ointment is...can Cliff play 30 mpg without fouling out? and more importantly...does Cliff have the endurance and stamina to play consistently 30 mpg at a high level? IMHO, at this time the answer is maybe and probably not. At this point, Cliff is till a work in progress in both fronts and hopefully, by the end of the season, he can get to the point where can do both things consistently.
Frank Martin outside the court was a completely different person than the one he projected on the sideline. A very humble man that cared deeply about his players, not only as players but as individuals as well. He was also very respectful of the Kansas program and it traditions.
I agree that Xavier has the tools to play in the NBA but his history of injuries is very concerning. Last season he had a new start with the Lakers and had his best season including the most point and most minutes played, which earned him a contract extension, but the season ended prematurely with an injury and this year he managed to play in 9 games before a season ending injury.
The following is from Marc Stein on Twitter, Dec 28 - 5:21 PM
The Lakers have waived Xavier Henry.
**Henry has really struggled with injuries throughout his career, and he was only able to get through nine games this season before going down with a season-ending Achilles injury. Given his constant struggles with health, it could be difficult for him to find another NBA contract. **
Like I said, he has the tools but the history of injuries will give teams pause, particularly when the injuries are not the result of excessive minutes like Kobe. I often wander if staying an extra year at KU and getting his body ready for the NBA would have helped; young men playing against grown men can bet a bad combination.
Belmont Bruins, Butler Bulldogs...the killer double "Bs" AKA, KU's kriptonite?
One Jayhawk in and one out. Too many injuries for Xavier, I am not sure if there are teams willing to take a change on an oft injured player.
I am huge Withey fan; however, when I visit with other KU fans about great KU players, his name does not usually come up...and it really should. It is not just the shots he blocked and kept in play to a KU player, which are a lot, but also the ones he altered, which are even more; perhaps the best defensive center since...well, you know who...
You make some really good points. I believe that by and large we still don't appreciate how much Withey really contributed to the team.
Like most undrafted players, Tarik has a partially guaranteed contract, which basically means he gets paid while he is on the roster or assigned by the team to the D-League and sometime a minimum guarantee. He is currently on waivers which means any team can pick him up. I understand there are few teams interested in picking up his contracts since it is not guaranteed, it is relatively low cost (minimum) and he can be used to temporarily replace injured players. Tarik is considered to be raw and more of a project by NBA standards; he is not projected to be a starter but a serviceable backup.
All teams in the NBA have only one uniform sponsor...would you believe, ADIDAS? ↗
You can look at gear at the Official NBA Store ↗
Shoes are not included and players can use any brand of shoe the prefer and many get paid for their endorsement. Interestingly enough, LeBron is the only one whose shoe sales offset the endorsements value. ↗ and it took ten years to get there.
Here is a list ↗ of the more popular models.
The Houston Rockets have waived Tarik Black to open up a spot on the roster for Josh Smith; however, there are indications that other teams are interested. I hope Tarik can fin a team in need of his talent. Although he had a rough start at KU, once he settled his game got much better and his attitude and demeanor made him a fan favorite.
KU's defense was not great but it was not bad either; KU was down "only" 10 points at half time :). It was the putrid 19% FG that doomed KU :(. Louisville has also more height than KU with 7 players 6'-8" or taller. I surely hope Louisville can pull it off., they just pulled within 2.
I am watching the game and yes, I much rather watch Jennifer Lawrence than Ashley.
I know I am probably biased because of my dislike for UK, but it sure looks like UK gets away with a lot even when playing at Louisville. Very low scoring game so far. Louisville is having the same problem KU had on offense...too much UK height inside.
Ah...yes, Converse Chuck Taylors
Again, the players to whom you are comparing Perry were taller and bigger and more suited to the PF position than Perry. You mentioned Ellis playing PF in Highs School and that is what Rivals/ESPN list him playing; however this really means very little. There are roughly 20,000 public and over 2,300 private HS in the US and how many do you think have a player taller than 6'7" at Center? I would say maybe 1%? I would guess the average height for a HS center is at best 6'-7", and typically the tallest player in the team plays center or PF; only the elite basketball schools and some big city programs will have players taller than that, so it is not surprising that Perry played PF in HS since he was the tallest player in his team. ↗ At KU he is playing PF because of the team's need and not necessarily because it is the position better suited to his size and style.
As we have agreed before, the Center and PF in the NBA has largely merged and many teams play without the traditional center and use 2 PF instead much like the line between the SF and SG is now blurry with many players alternating between them. Even the traditional PG and SG are now merging into combo guard positions.
Look at some of the current PF in the NBA...Dirk Nowitzki, Tim Duncan, Greg Monroe, Chris Bosch, Kenneth Faried, LaMarcus Aldridge, Kevin Love, Blake Griffin, Anthony Davis, Pau Gasol, Amar'e Stoudemire, Zack Randolph, Serge Ibaka...all of them much taller and much bigger than Perry. If you think Perry is having problems with bigger players in college, how do you think he is going to fare in the NBA against the players I mentioned? Do you really think any coach in his right mind would match him against one of these PFs? Marcus Morris, a player much bigger than Perry, plays SF for Phoenix while Markieff plays PF; you will recall that Markieff and Marcus played PF/C and PF at KU. Perry's only chance to play in the NBA is at the SF and not the PF.
f you look at the NBA draft prospects, he is listed either as 6'-8' or 6'-9" but he really is close to 6'-7' and now many of the draft services such Draft Express ↗ list him as a SF and all of them mention his lack of size for the PF position.
Again, like most of the members in this forum, we have different opinions on the subject but in the next year or so, we will find out one way or another where Perry ends up; until then, we will just have to agree to disagree.
Of course you can make any correlation you want but I am not sure the one you made is correct since it assumes that WSU has a weak strength of schedules and the teams WSU played have poor defenses. In fact, it is the opposites. WSU Strength of Schedule is ranked #37 by Ken Pom and its opponent defense is #28. There are only 4 teams in the top 50 with a better SOS and only 4 teams also in the top 50 with better ranked opponent defense. In short, the numbers show that WSU has played not only a tough schedule but it has done it against teams with good defenses. WSU SOS is ranked much higher that UK. MSU and Duke, the teams you mentioned.
These are not my numbers, they are Ken Pomeroy's numbers; I am sure if you look at Sagarin's or Massey's number they would be pretty much the same.
I think we are saying the same thing. Perry is not by nature a "go to" guy but has been thrust into that position by default, and on top of that, he is playing off position and in spite of opponents zeroing on him (Woodberry did not draw double team coverage), he is leading the team in points and rebounds, so obviously he is not doing too bad of job, wouldn't you agree?
I would like to see him play SF, hitting from outside, rebounding and using his speed and skill to drive to the hoop against single coverage...but then, who plays inside? Alexander is developing a lot slower that we has expected and Lucas and Mickelson, except for very isolated opportunities have been n0n-factors.
Again, you are comparing Perry to the twins, Artur and TRob who were bigger and played their more natural positions where Perry is not. Also, the other players that you mentioned had a better complement of bigs to ease the load where Perry, other than at times Alexander and Traylor, does not have much help. Why concentrate on the poor games that he had, such as Stanford? Why not bring up other games, such as the conference game against ISU in his freshman year, if you want to name games from previous years or the 3 double-double games this season?
Finally, if the other teams have figured out he cannot score against certain opponents, why is he is the only player that consistently draws double teams? Obviously he gets more respect from opposing coaches that he gets from some fans.
I indicated before the season that Ellis, IMHO, should be playing SF since that is his natural position, can shoot from outside when needed and will likely play that position if he makes it to the NBA; however, the SF position at KU is crowded where the PF is bare bones, to say the least, and Coach Self has really no choice but to play him there for lack of a better option...again, IMHO it would seem to be better for the team to have him at the PF instead of making him a rotation player at the already crowded SF and making the very thin PF position even thinner...kind of picking the lesser of two evils, wouldn't you agree.
Not necessarily since Baker scores a fair amount on drives to the basket and layups, but he shot only 33% for the game and 31% for the tournament.
I actually watched the game and while the 1-3-1 zone created problems for WSU, to say this is the reason it lost is disingenuous. WSU had less turnovers than GWU (11 to 15) which is by no means a huge number of turnovers, considering that KU averages 13 per game. Some of the turnovers were Greene-like careless bad passes and uncharacteristic of WSU which tends to be a disciplined team, and not necessarily caused by the zone defense. The main problem was that the two best WSU shooters, Baker and VanVleet were frigid cold and missed wide open shots that they normally made; both well below their averages. Barker was particularly off, shooting only 4-12 from the field and 1-6 from 3; he shot 13-41 for the tournament (33.7%), well below his season average of over 50%. Carter, VanVleet and Barker combined to shoot 11 of 37 from the field. Wichita State was up by 7 with 7 minutes to play and score 4 points the rest of the way while GWU score 17 point. Like I said, most of the shots WSU missed were not really contested but open shots that they normally make at a much higher percentage. Just my observations, I am sure others will disagree.
In some ways Woodberry and Ellis are similar starting with the fact they are both from Wichita and they are both jack-of-all-trade type of players that played where they were needed and did whats was asked of them; however, it is not easy to compare two players that played different positions for two different coaches and in two different eras, and more importantly, had different roles within the team.
Wodberry was the ultimate role player but he was not the team's "go to" guy and hence had more freedom to do his thing against single coverage while playing at his natural position of SG/SF. Perry, on the other hand, is unquestionably the "go to" guy at KU and as such constantly drawing double or even triple teams while playing off his natural position due to a lack of talent at the PF position and not having anyone else that can do that.
I am not sure why Ellis gets so little love from some KU fans. It reminds me when I was young and stayed for dinner at friends' homes and the food always seemed to taste better, and when they stayed at my home, they thought the food at my home tasted so much better than at theirs...go figure; I guess it is human nature to covet the things we don't have and under-appreciate the ones we do.
Perry is the only KU player selected to the pre-season conference first team, and one of only two unanimous selections, he is the only KU player to be named conference player of the week, he is on the Naismith player of the year watch list and he is the player that.Myron Medtcalf of ESPN recently called perhaps the best player in the conference, and yet I see posts suggesting that he be benched...I just don't get it; I just don't understand how benching the team's leading scorer and rebounder would help the team. Just my personal opinion.
Unless Ellis is completely sapped, he will start. I know some members don't care much for him and he seems to receive an inordinate amount of criticism; however, he is KU's best player and all the opponents know this as well, and more often than no,t he is doubled or even tripled teamed by the other teams. Yes, he had a couple of not so good games, but if you chart his performance based on all the games to date, you will see that he has been the most consistent and best performer for KU.
The Kent State game will be blacked out so many of us will be unable to see it. I still hate Zenger!!!
Barring any unforeseen result on the next game, I will guess that most member will take a "vacation" until the UNLV game; I know I will not be posting much until then.
KU has been playing lately from the outside in; however, Coach Self cannot eliminate the inside game all together, maybe you don't use as much as he has in the past but you still have to have it.
I agree. Texas has all the pieces in place to win the conference, provided they can put said pieces together. If KU wants the Conference Title, it will really have to earn it; no gimmes this year. The conference is loaded with 7 teams in the top 25 as per Ken Pomeroy.
It depends how voters see the loss. If they see it as not important (as Brennan of ESPN does) then 3 or 4 spots, otherwise upper teens?
Back then we did not have prima-dona OADs either (I am not saying KU players are that way), so maybe players were more likely to listen and follow instructions. I really don't like the direction the college game has taken.
Very few team beat Roy's team in the second half; he always seemed to correct the issues at half time. Maybe I have selective recall and wishful thinking?
KU got within 6 point with 17 minutes left in the second half and I am sure many fans thought..OK we got this one...and then KUwent ice cold and Temple upped the lead to 15 in the next 4 minutes and the game was pretty much over.
Merry Christmas to the the entire Jayhawk community and fellow members of this board in particular. :santa:
It is really a catch 22 situation with Ellis. I indicated before the season and continue to believe that Perry is a natural SF playing out of position at the PF. However, he is the only "somewhat" reliable big we have (he leads the team ion scoring and rebounding) and we have plenty of other players that can also play the SF but not the PF position, so Coach Self has no choice but to play him inside hoping he can score and rebound. At this point it is a craps shoot figuring out if "Good KU" or "Bad KU" will show up; has the team played one entire good game so far? It seems to play one half at the time and badly needs to acquire consistency and put together complete games.
The conference is going to be brutal this year, not only because KU has some glaring weaknesses but also other teams are greatly improved. The conference has 5 teams in the top 20 in one poll and in 5 teams in the top 25 in the other poll; that is fully 50% of the teams; 4 other teams are receiving or have also received votes and Texas Tech is the only conference team that has not...no other conference comes even close to it.
Sorry @approxinfinity. I simply posted information that is widely available, included a link, encouraged members to do their own research, draw their own conclusions and clearly indicated I would not post on the thread again precisely to avoid protracted "discussions." I am writing this post in deference to you, the forum owner and administrator.
:santa: Merry Christmas!!!
I guess for many season we were absolutely spoiled by bigs that in many ways we took for granted. The twins, Aldrich, TRob, Withey and Embiid were beasts inside, be it at scoring or defending and we always assumed that new player would replace them, after all KU is Big Man U, right?
We really don't have any reliable bigs. Ellis is a SF playing out of position as PF. Alexander is starting to look like a tweener, not big or strong enough (at least not yet) to play PF and not a a good enough shooter to play SF; same situation with Traylor. Lucas and Mickelson are Mid-Major level starters but not good enough, at least not that I have consistently seen, to start for a top tier team.
KU has better potential on the perimeter and I believe Coach Self knows that this year and against better competition, KU will have to live and die by the outside shooting and penetration; today the shots were not falling and there was no help inside. I have to admit that Temple made some shots that even their coach could not believe went in, but regardless, KU should not have been in a position of having to play catch up. It had a good chance in the second half when it cut the lead to 6 with 17 minutes to play only to go frigid cold and Temple upped the lead to 15 in the next 4 minutes and that was pretty much the game.
Here is a story ↗ by Eamonn Brennan that presents a less emotional and perhaps more objective view of what this loss means. Deep inside I know that he is probably right, but the loss is still too fresh to get any consolation. I will mop some more this evening and hopefully in the morning I will see it a little less harshly.
Like you said, other than scoring all his other stats were down. TOs and assists are the ones that determine how well he is directing the offense and they just were not there.
I am still trying to think of something positive and I still have nothing...maybe they will be able to catch some ZZZs on the way back because it is going to be one quiet flight back???
For all the progress KU made recently, this is one gigantic step backwards. I am trying to think of one positive thing to get from this game and I have nothing...
IMHO, anyone who thinks that Sam Gilbert did not help UCLA get their titles is doing the same thing John Wooden did, willfully look the other way and ignore what was in front of him. This is in no way a criticism of Wooden, the coach, who in many ways revolutionizes the sport, but Wooden the program's de-facto head who allowed these excesses to happen during his tenure and under his nose. Even Wooden himself, belatedly and half-heatedly said: "Maybe I had tunnels vision."
"Gilbert's influence ultimately helped land UCLA basketball on NCAA probation. In December 1981, UCLA was cited for nine infractions and received two years' probation, which included a one-year NCAA tournament ban and an order to vacate its 1980 NCAA national title game appearance against Louisville."
So much for reputedly and no shred of evidence... ↗and this was only for the time after Wooden left. There were a large number of violations from the Wooden era that the NCAA willfully ignored because too much time had elapsed, much like it did some of the most egregious violations at UK. You don't have to believe one word I write, check the NCAA records or Google Sam Gilbert and you will find all the unsavory details that had been largely kept quiet to protects the legacy of the Wizard of Westwood.
Please don't shoot the messenger; look it up and draw your own conclusions. I don't want to get drawn into protracted discussion about an issue that is not even KU related, so In the spirit of Christmas, this is my last post on the subject.
According to KenPom, Lafayette adjusted offense is 25 and adjusted defense is 320. Their opponent's defense is 105 which means Lafayette is playing teams whose defense is in the top 30% and this is why their offense is ranked so high (15). On the other hand, their opponent's offense is ranked 85 or or top 25%; but their own defense is 320 or bottom 10%.
In short, a team with a very good offense and a very bad defense...they should be in the NBA.