@BShark In a perfect world so would I, but the world is far from perfect for KU right now and we had to have a team. This is a more than solid class.
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@jayballer67 I'm onboard with Curry, and he has pretty solid handles. Can probably play some 4 too.
Mitchell would be a huge get, no doubt.
Good stuff.
@BShark said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:
Thompson twins are signing with the Overtime League. This could get very interesting.
Those guys that sung Hold Me Now? Are they still eligible?
Knew that scoring was going to be a serious issue this past season, but it should be better this year. Defensively I think we'll be better too. Yesufu and Long D up, and the returnees (all four of them? Five? 😂) with another year under their belt should be better.
Epps. Agree, it will get things rolling even more. But he will be G-League.
@Crimsonorblue22 Who?
@Texas-Hawk-10 don't agree with all of what you posted, but do most of it.
@JAYHAWKFAN214 I don't want him to, but I'm not so sure. Doesn't his brother play at Mizzou? I think he's still there, right? And didn't one of his parents go there too? I'm a Braun fan and don't him to go anywhere, just saying.
@jayballer67 I remember that game. Pitino got so pissed after the beatdown that he said he wouldn't schedule home and away games with KU anymore.
@Kcmatt7 said in Remy to Kansas:
@justanotherfan Who on the bench is a good defensive talent?
- Braun - Meh
- JCL - Meh
- Pettiford - Probably not as a freshman
- Cuffe - Redshirt
- Mitch - was a backup a year ago
- Martin - Doesn't strike me as a top tier defender
- Clemence - looks like he will need to be in a college weight program first
- Adams - Might get some time, might be too raw
- Curry - Seems like a guy who would foul out in about 18 minutes
Not sure Self has another option than to play the presumed 5 starters as many minutes as they can handle.
And that is the question, now that we pretty well know the roster, what is the starting 5 going to be? Long is a more than decent defender, and he can shoot, I pencil him in and obviously Remi and Dave (I didn't say he shouldn't start), Wilson and Yesufu - that's just a guess. Or maybe Braun over Long?
So assuming that Ochai is gone a starting 5 of Dave, Wilson, Lands, Yesufu and Remy?
@Texas-Hawk-10 I disagree. He is not - even if Remy went pro - our best option or player.
@BShark Probably the biggest pickup in how long? What, three years going on four?
@Texas-Hawk-10 And I say that's a load of shit. While it's cool that he's coming back for team unity and whatnot he will - and for good reason - hardly see the court this year.
@Texas-Hawk-10 I didn't say either, not as you are stating them. Said that the roster has kind of evolved away from his skillset, and that his minutes would and should diminish for the team that we have. There's a reason why Coach brought in the bigs that can shoot, right? I didn't say that he had no role, which is what you are implying.
@BShark I'd take Bobby over Harris. I'd also take Bobby over Braun, but if I had to choose I'd prefer that it be Harris and I like him as a player.
@jayballer67 no doubt. It helped us this year, without question. Not sure how I feel about the new rule though tbh. It might gut the mid-majors, but then again if teams have fewer scholis to give due to taking on transfers that might open things up a bit as far as mids being able to bring in highschool talent. We shall see. Personally, I think they'll become farm systems for KU, UK, UNC etc. K hasn't got onboard yet, right?
@BShark I'll take that. I love you, Dave. And I mean it, I love you 😂 (I haven't been trying to dismiss Dave as an important cog btw)
@BShark his brother is better than him, and was a much lesser player. I've always found that interesting - because Hurley was a great college player, and before his injury even working on a more than solid NBA career - how most great players don't translate well to being good coaches. I'm not saying all, Howard has already shown that he can coach but most don't. I have never been able to understand that.
@jayballer67 I don't advocate for five out, just think that Cam, Clemence and Adams and even Curry will play, drastically cutting into Dave's minutes. And I don't that will be a bad thing, different looks and styles. It will be interesting to see who willingly accepts a redshirt this year, because it is a very deep team. If ever there were a year to use an almost two platoon system this would be it. But as we should all know by now, Bill isn't too down with that idea.
@jayballer67 which is why Dave needs to go to the rack more, because he is a good free throw shooter.
@jayballer67 I'll take that in a heartbeat, 15 to 18 minutes sounds even better. And yes, he'll still be an important piece.
One thing that I am almost certain about (almost), is that it will be a Remy-centric and Wilson/Yesufu dominated offense with alot more dribble drives and kickout 3s.
@jayballer67 wouldn't be the first time, right?
@BShark agree. But it would've been much easier for him to return if we weren't now so loaded. That's what I meant when saying recruited over. Like you said before, Bill's not playing and he obviously couldn't wait.
@jayballer67 I'm with you on Cam. He's going to play, maybe even some at the 4 spot.
@drgnslayr and that, in a nutshell, is what I was trying to say before before being told that I was full of shit 😂
@Kcmatt7 said in Remy to Kansas:
Dave was playing good ball by the end of the season. The start was BAD. But he had a great conference season and I think he will have a good 2021-2022 campaign.
I didn't say he wouldn't.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Remy to Kansas:
@Marco said in Remy to Kansas:
@Texas-Hawk-10 it's not about his style. He is not skilled or aggressive enough to be called a true 5, yet due to his too high a motor, almost mechanical style nor can her play anywhere else. I am saying, he just doesn't fit with the current line-up.
All of that is a load of bullshit. You're contradicting yourself with your own statements saying Dave isn't aggressive, yet has a high motor. You're letting personal bias against Dave cloud your judgement on how good Dave is. Dave isn't the most athletic guy out there and guess what lesser athletic basketball players have to be to succeed in basketball? Fundamentally sound which looks a whole helluva lot like being mechanical.
You also clearly don't realize that Self has built next season's team around Dave to play to his strengths. Dave and Remy have very complementary skills to execute a lot of pick and roll this season or to just iso Remy opposite of Dave and have easy dishes to Dave of the defense helps off of Dave to cover Remy. Then you got Yesufu, JCL, and Braun all more than capable of lighting it up from deep. Then you'll end up with Wilson, Clemence, or Cam sitting in the corner on the same side as Remy waiting for a kick out if their man helps on a Remy drive.
This team will not be anywhere near as offensively challenged as last year's team was. McCormack will be a 15 and 8 guy and the second leading scorer for KU behind Remy Martin next season.
For a guy who seems to think that he knows everything, you tend to overreach and be wrong quite a bit. I know that they won't be as offensively challenged, which is one of the reasos why I stand by everything that I said. He was important to our team this past season, and I said so. And he will be an important piece this season too, and will undoubtedly play and should. I just don't want him to play more than about 20 mpg, tops - and I don't think he will.
The team has morphed is what I'm saying, completely different personnel for a different style. It is not going to nor it should it be a forcefeed Dave in the post offense anymore. I imagine he'll average about 9 or 10 ppg, which would put him about 4th on the team in scoring. Wilson - if he comes back - will average more than that and probably even Yesufu, Remy the leader ofcourse. And I haven't even mentioned Braun, Long, C. Martin or any of the others, but you did and while doing so seemed to think that it validated your point while not even coming close.
@Texas-Hawk-10 it's not about his style. He is not skilled or aggressive enough to be called a true 5, yet due to his too high a motor, almost mechanical style nor can her play anywhere else. I am saying, he just doesn't fit with the current line-up.
@BShark said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
Ochai 100% has a spot on the team if he wants it, Bill would figure something out.
Agbaji is bye-bye, for better or worse.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Remy to Kansas:
@Marco Who would you play ahead of McCormack? The D2 transfer that's less athletic than McCormack? The JuCo who's about 3-4 inches shorter and nowhere near skilled enough to be a big factor to this year? The freshman who's softer than a wet paper bag? The 14th scholarship player who couldn't beat Dave out last season? The stretch 4 who may or may not be back next season?
I'd play and start Dave, just not for more than 20 mpg, mix and match in Martin and Curry for the other 20. The guy is only good for a half anyway. Second half Dave, right?
@BShark but should we go more than 10 or 15 mpg with a traditional 5?
@BShark said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
@Marco said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
he's been recruited over.
No.
Not necessarily intentionally, but I think that he has. Coaches can't wait for players to take too long - which is the flaw of the rule - to make up their minds. I wouldn't wait for them. If Agbaji doesn't go pro, don't be surprised if he transfers.
So, what is this class going to be ranked?
Agbaji is gone, he's been recruited over. I still think that Wilson will be back.
The guy is going to play,, alot.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Remy to Kansas:
@drgnslayr said in Remy to Kansas:
Maybe I'm over-projecting... it's nice to have positive thoughts between now and basketball season. Not sure why we would recruit Martin if he won't see the floor? Especially since he only has one year. Guys like him have sure racked up points on us in the past. He has no business camping in the low post. But he could pull out another team's 4 on the perimeter, opening up the middle for Dave.
I agree that Jalen needs to gain athleticism because he sure isn't a 4 at the NBA level. He doesn't really have the strength to guard the 4 either. Kid needs to muscle up and he should be doing that this off-season.
I think a redshirt would help Sydney. Especially since he has only two years of eligibility left.
I expect Jalen to get most the minutes at the 4... but I was thinking about bigger lineups... something Self seems to be moving away from anyways.
I'm not saying Cam won't play. I think he does play plenty as the primary back up to McCormack and spot minutes at the 4 spot on offense if Cam's playing next to Clemence or Lightfoot. I just don't see him being able to play alongside McCormack because that becomes a real defensive liability with each one's lack of overall athleticism and this team isn't shaping up to be all that good defensively next season, especially considering adding the ISU transfer to seemingly replace Agbaji is a terrible defender.
Jalen Wilson isn't going to be an NBA player. He's got a very similar style of game to Perry Ellis and Perry never really came close to making an NBA roster.
And therein lies the current problem (and he had a good season), Dave has kind of become absolete. The makeup and even strengths of this team do not serve his skillset. He should play fifteen, twenty minutes a game - tops. If he plays more (and Bill is loyal, sometimes to a fault) it will not, longterm, be good for the team.
@BeddieKU23 said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
Wow! older then Svi.
Immediate green light shooter
Exactly what we needed.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Remy to Kansas:
@BShark said in Remy to Kansas:
I don't think Zach will be ready defensively next year, especially against smaller and quicker opposition. Not exactly Jalen's forte either but Jalen is a much better option next year.
I don't ever expect Clemence to be good on defense because he's too much of a finesse player. That said, I think he's better suited to play defensively at the 4 spot because he's long enough to alter shots even if he's beaten by quicker players because he'll still have a size advantage over most other 4's he'd face. Clemence at the 5 on defense would just get physically manhandled by most post players for at least his first two seasons.
Zach Clemence is an ideal stretch 4 that I think can have a comparable career to Perry Ellis.
I like Clemence and think that he's going to be solid,,, so you're saying that he is ready to
@BShark Braun and the other big Martin - who I think will play for about 10mpg - both being able to hit from thee. And there are others.
@Kcmatt7 said in Remy to Kansas:
I really thought we were going to end up having to watch Wheeler play 25 mpg there for a minute...
For real... Kentucky thankfully got him.
@drgnslayr said in Remy to Kansas:
Now we've got a group of nice talent who can go somewhere in D1.
Let's see if they can avoid controversy, develop chemistry, develop team identity, develop a leader or two, develop a winning style, and stay healthy!
We're a shoe-in for the Final Four! lol
In all seriousness... I'm excited for fall basketball again!
😂 Certainly not a shoe-in, but "we're a contendah!"
This was a bigtime get. Maybe the biggest transfer out there that there was. Spring Bill @BShark ?
I'm stoked about this guy. He is a great player.
So, assuming Agbaji and Wilson both return, starting five for next year? And second five?
Now..... Top 5, baby. And a chance - a true chance - to win the Chip. Think I'm lying? Look, I might be wrong from time to time, but I never lie (at least not intentionally)
Rock chalk Jayhawk....