@kjayhawks An interim wouldn't care about that either because there's maybe two people on the current staff to look at retaining, but neither are interim candidates. Hull and maybe Cassius Sendish because Sendish does have an eagerness that could make him a good person to consider retaining and keep mentoring him.
The interim is either going to Bowen or Meachem and neither should be retained so they would have no incentive to redshirt players either.
@wissox Don't feel bad about your prediction. I too have the Astros repeating this year!
I'm also extremely biased since I've lived in Houston since I was in kindergarten except for my years at KU.
@nuleafjhawk Yes, it is the Les Miles who coached OSU and then LSU. Miles is 65 now so currently good programs would not likely be interested. Miles has said he's interested in getting back into coaching. Jeff Long's hiring of Mike Vollmar who played with Miles at Michigan is an attempt to lure Miles to Kansas.
I still believe it all depends on Les Miles. If he's interested and going to take the job, there's no point in firing Beaty at this point because you already have the next coach lined up.
If Les is not interested, then I'd say fire Beaty after the game assuming it's a blow out like we expect.
Les Miles is the crux in how to handle this situation, keeping Beaty all year should be a sign that he is very interested and may have already agreed to take the job.
Les Miles to KU rumors are something other potential candidates are aware of and of you want to advertise that the job is truly open after this year, the fire Beaty now because that will spread rumors that Miles is not coming to Lawrence.
That's my take on the situation.
@justanotherfan KU has just 2 commitments at this point, destabilizing recruiting isn't an issue because there's nothing to destabilize. Both current commits are local kids who are probably coming to KU regardless of who the coach is.
Firing Beaty now doesn't change anything with recruiting this year any way.
@FarmerJayhawk Les Miles is going to be the biggest name on the list and I believe that's who Long is maneuvering to try and land with some of these hires that he's made so far. Vollmer has a long standing relationship with Les Miles. Les Miles is also a pretty known name in college football along with his reputation and quirks so hiring someone to specifically run the PR side of KU Athletics seems like another move to try and get Miles.
Beyond Les Miles, I don't see a realistic candidate out there that's going to immediately blow people away with his resume.
Rich Rodriguez is not Charlie Weis. Rodriguez got a raw deal at Michigan as they just weren't patient enough with him. Michigan's record got better each season under Rodriguez and he had some good players coming into the program that he could've done some great things with like Denard Robinson who would've done amazing things had Rodriguez been around in 2012 for his senior season.
I think his baggage is too much and too fresh right now to consider Rodriguez, but I would consider him a great option for KU if he didn't have his current baggage.
The scrimmage is always rough. Self never has his system installed because they never have practice ahead of time, until the last couple of years. It's also an event where you don't want any injuries to occur so even if Self had his system in place, I doubt there would be any defense played on this. It's just a chance for the players to show off different facets of their game for the crowd.
@justanotherfan If KU got 5+ years out of Les Miles, that's something that rarely happens at KU. In the entire history of Kansas football, only 5 coaches have been at KU for 5 or more years (not counting Fambrough who had two 3 year long runs). Beaty is currently sitting in 10th on the all time games coached list at KU. No coach in KU history has been at the school more than 8 years. Glen Mason and Jack Mitchell are it.
Les Miles coaching for 5 years puts him somewhere between 60 and 70 games coached at KU which would rank anywhere from 8th if he only coached 60 games and 5th if he got to 70 games. Actually he'd be in 5th place of he got 65 games coached. If he went 7 or 8 years, he'd be very near the top of the list of all time games coached and would probably be at the top of the all time wins list at KU if he averaged 6.5 wins per season over 8 years.
Les Miles is the type of coach that can play a great foundation fo whoever followed him and could actually make KU an attractive place for someone who could stay for another 7-8 year run.
If you're trying to persuade someone against Les Miles by saying that he might only be here 5-7 years, that's a really weak argument considering you can still count on one hand the number of coaches who have done that in the history of program.
@Kcmatt7 I just don't see any quality young coach agreeing to a huge buyout if they leave KU to take a better job.
@justanotherfan If a younger coach does well at KU, they aren't staying at KU. That's the problem with a younger coach and you may only get 3-4 years if they start getting KU turned around. You hire a guy like Miles and let him choose his successor, the transition is much smoother and you're not doing a real coaching search.
@kjayhawks Also, Les Miles is an offensive guy and calls his plays and run his offense regardless of who his offensive coordinator is. He's had OC's from different backgrounds, but LSU's offense never changed because it was Miles system.
@kjayhawks I believe Les Miles is very much a realistic possibility for KU if he wants the job. I think that's the biggest reason why Jeff Long brought in Mike Vollmar. I think that's why Long hired Chris Freet this week to basically run the PR side of KU Athletics.
Miles may be 65 years old, but he's still very active and doesn't look his age at all, I assumed he was in his late 50's/early 60's, not his mid 60's. I think he could go another 10 years if he really wanted to.
Even looking big picture, Les Miles gives KU a great shot at retaining Tony Hull because there's a known previous relationship there because Miles recruited from Hull's school and it also gives KU a great shot to keep the current Louisiana players around as well keeping that pipeline open.
Because Miles isn't an active coach right now, Long can be in communication with Miles as much as he wants to be to gauge interest. I'm sure already knows if Miles is interested and/or willing to take the job next season. If David Beaty is retained throughout the season with little to no improvement on the field, I think that's a good sign that Les Miles is coming to Lawrence and that it would happen fairly quickly after KU's season is over. I believe it play out with Beaty getting fired the Monday after the Texas game, and Miles would be announced the following Monday after the B12 title game and have his staff together before bowl season starts.
If Miles decides that he doesn't want to take the KU job, I think we'd see Beaty fired at some point before the season is over without on field improvement.
@kjayhawks Those QB's were when his offense was at it worst. Miles' best teams have always been with a pro style QB under center. Jamarcus Russell, Jarrett Lee, and Zach Mettenberger were the 3 best QB's Miles had as far as on field success went for Miles at LSU.
@Kcmatt7 No he won't, he'll have to wait until the semester because he's still got to visit the schools he's interested in which probably doesn't happen until November.
@kjayhawks He doesn't fit Les Miles system. Les runs a pro style offense and Bryant isn't a great fit for that.
If KU offered Venables $5 million per year, he might consider coming here and bringing Bryant with him. Anybody other than Venables and Bryant is not even looking KU's way.
Snyder is stubborn enough that he'll coach until he dies if Sean isn't made his successor.
The guy KSU wants to replace Snyder is Jim Leavitt. There was a story last year that the KSU president and boosters offered Leavitt a deal, that he reportedly accepted, to take the KSU job this year, but Snyder rejected the deal because he wants Sean to take over one day. Leavitt even has a special clause in his contract that he doesn't have to pay Oregon a buyout if he leaves if he's leaving for the KSU head coaching position.
@JayHawkFanToo I wouldn't bet against Army beating Kansas at this point.
@kjayhawks Army isn't winning 9 or 10 this year. They won't beat Buffalo, they won't beat Navy. Air Force and Eastern Michigan are toss ups. They also would not beat Iowa St. if they played this year. KSU would be a toss up at best for Army.
@kjayhawks Army would not win 4 or 5 Big 12 games, they might win 2 or 3. They might win 8 games this year, but it isn't because they're good, it's because their schedule is beyond weak. They play two FCS teams and a team in their first year as an FBS so basically 3 FCS teams this year.
@JayHawkFanToo It's also a fluke. Duke beat Army by 20 to open the year because of their familiarity with that system because they play Georgia Tech every year. That's what would happen to KU trying to run that system, teams would get used to it because they would see it every year and be prepared for it. Last night was OU playing their worst game of the season. Play that game 10 time, OU wins by 30+ 8 times, last night was not one of those 8.
@Kcmatt7 Army is 1-3 this year, they're not a good team this year despite scaring OU. That was probably the worst game we'll see from OU all year. If KU tried that system against OU and other B12 defenses with the speed those defenses have, it wouldn't go well most of the time. KU would pull the occasional upset, but they still wouldn't rise above middle of the pack in the B12. B12 defenses have too much speed and enough teams run a variation of the inverted wishbone formation in the B12 that switching to a triple option offense wouldn't take much adjustment to for those teams.
You speak of Duke like they're a bad team. They're 4-0 including a 20 point win over the same Army team that just took OU to OT. They also have a road win over Northwestern as well this year and would be my pick to win their division right now.
If you want to rise up in the B12, you have to look at how other programs in the B12 were able to do so. Oklahoma State and Baylor are the two models for that. Both of those teams did so using variations of the spread offense.
Those of ya'll that want to see KU in a run based offense, the flexbone is not the way to go because we saw what happens yesterday when even bad teams stack the box against KU with even the best RB in the conference in Pooka. It just doesn't work to sustain success, it will pull the occasional upset, but KU would never finish higher than mid pack except in extreme down years for the conference. In the old B12 North, I'd be all for it because KU could that division on a regular basis because it was bad for the most part after 2003 until it's end.
For those that want some variation on a run based offense that would actually work in the B12, this is what I would do. I would make the base offensive formation a 3 receiver/2 back and have the zone read and other option plays be the staple. My ideal personnel for this system is a speedy QB with a big arm, two speedy, Pooka Williams type backs as the RB's, a speedy receiver to line up in the slot on the wide side of the field and a big receiver to line up on the outside on the wide side of the field. I would have another speedy receiver line up on the short side of the field. The outside receivers would line up on the numbers and the slot receiver would line up on the hashes. This forces coaches to make a decision with their safeties. Play the safeties up stop the run and leave at least one of the receivers in one on one coverage and opens them up to play action.
Or the defense can leave the safeties back to cover the pass and open up the running attack. An easy way to find out what the safeties are doing to is motion the short side receiver over into a trips look with nobody on the short side of the field and see how defenses play that. If they keep the corner over there run the option at him and force him to choose his responsibility. If he goes, run sweep to that side.
That's how you create a run based offense in the B12 these days. Not a flexbone formation that puts 10 guys around the ball and invites defenses to stack the box. It's also easier to find a 5-9 receiver with tons of speed in the B12 recruiting area than it is to find the Olinemen you would need to run a flexbone formation effectively.
@JayHawkFanToo If Beaty doesn't get fired after WVU, then he's finishing the year out.
KU did have opportunities to make this game closer today, but didn't capitalize on those opportunities. The Rui FG miss, not an easy FG in those conditions today, but still makeable for him. The fumbled punt at the end if the first half. If KU recovered and scored, they would've had some real momentum going into halftime. And the last one was the Loneker dropped pick 6 in the 3rd quarter. That's 17 points in missed opportunities KU had today they couldn't capitalize on.
As frustrating as today was, KU had some opportunities to put points on the board and just failed to capitalize on those chances. That's the difference between a good team and a bad team though.
@kjayhawks You put play on the receiver, I was putting it on the coaches because of their history of poor play design and play calling, that's all it was.
@kjayhawks I didn't watch the game on TV. I was inside the stadium watching the game in person. KU play designs are so damn bad and that is on the coaches. I don't give a rat's ass what an announcer has to say about it. When something happens repeatedly like that, it's because of the coaching. If KU's coaches were any good, they would've been exploiting the slant routes that Baylor wouldn't have been able to cover at all.
Are you really that surprised KU's receivers suck at route running considering the history of this coaching staff? Should the receivers have the awareness to know where the stocks are and run a route past them on 4th down? Absolutely, but when coaches repeatedly tell them to take what the defense gives them, defense is going guard theb1st down line and try and force everything in front of it. It is a coaching issue above all else and why KU has won only 15 or 16 games this decade.
@kjayhawks I'm saying KU receivers do that all the damn time. If it was an occasional occurrence, then you could argue lack of awareness by the receiver. As much as it happens with KU's receivers, that's play design and coaching. I haven't said anything different about it. I've said over and over that it's play design and that's a coaching issue, not a player issue.
@kjayhawks How many times do I have to say it's crappy play design on KU's part? This is the 4th time now I'm saying it was a crappy play design.
@kjayhawks WTF are you talking about? Where did I say I don't coach receivers to run past the sticks on those plays? KU receivers do that crap all the time when they don't run routes past the sticks. That's bad play design by the KU coaching staff and Doug Meachem in particular since he's the OC and play caller.
@kjayhawks You rarely see KU receivers run routes past the sticks in those situations, that's poor coaching and poor play design.
@kjayhawks I coach them, that was poorly designed route combination.
@kjayhawks That's just a poorly designed play.
Dumb play call on 4th down!!!
I think Kendrick is hurt right now. He wasn't in the huddle before this series and hasn't been standing near the other offensive players. Carter Stanley also took off the yellow hat and headset and has his helmet on now.
I think I could've gained 10 yards with that hole.
Apparently this week in 1973, Baylor shut out Missouri in Columbia 27-0
@JayHawkFanToo That play has been the lone bright spot.
I don't like changing QB's mid series.
Would've been nice if the pass stuck to Loneker
@kjayhawks That's a good team doing that to them though. This is the 8th or 9th place team doing this to us.
This is probably the worst run defense KU will see in B12 play this year.
48 yards of offense.
KU needed that break to have some momentum.
@BShark It's pretty windy, Stanley would be the worst choice of the QB's today.
That was a helluva catch
Defense is too concerned with strips and not making easy tackles.
If that Baylor DB doesn't trip, he picks that pass to Fairs. A jump ball into double coverage doesn't end well.
Refs just missed a huge hands to face. Loneker nearly had his helmet turned around on that play.