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ParisHawk said:

That is a BS question. Picture the scenario, for crying out loud: alone in your car with a gang kicking away at it and shouting at you. You don't think that's menacing?

This is an appeal to emotion and doesn't seem rational. Josh and his friends aren't a gang. I don't think this was a premeditated effort to terrorize Calvert. I cannot in a million years imagine myself having done something to invoke the wrath of JJ and friends vandalizing my car so this doesn't hold water with me. If you are asking me to replace in my mind Josh and friends with another group of random people, well that troubles me. Who are the other people and what are their motives?

You use the word "know" to imply that I need to prove she was traumatized. Prove she wasn't.

This is shifting the burden of proof. Josh was the accused. Innocent until proven guilty.

This reminds me of the page from an Elmore Leonard novel: one guy says "Did you know once every 7 seconds a woman gets beaten in the US?" and the other replies "Hard to believe so many women get out of line."

Also an appeal to emotion. He didn't beat her, as you said. He trashed her stuff and told her a few things. Probably all drunk. Definitely all regrettable actions. But this isn't Elmore Leonard's world. If anything she is getting the benefit of the doubt more than Josh.

Similarly, while Josh is an old freshman, he's still a college freshman. Let's not assume that his decisions now are indicative of his adult character.

I wasn't talking about his character, I was talking about that one action. Not normal, not a "mistake".

The reason I bring up his character is that much of our understanding of the facts is cemented together with speculation. And if we are going to speculate, his character appears to be something we are familiar with to some degree.

Let's look at this through the lens of the current times.

That sentence scares me. More relativism - and worse, graver conflict among everyone concerning acceptable behavior. We who have a common bond here can't even agree that what JJ did was wrong, and wrong enough to be brought before a judge?

So first, we can agree what he did was wrong. Probably alcohol involved. Dumb. Rash. Totally agree. But in terms of relativism, I would argue that since the dawn of human thought, societally acceptable behavior has been in flux. To assume that one generations interpretation is the correct one would not only be to deny future interpretation but also all those that came before it, would it not? Is it so bad to possibly consider the female participant in this scenario to be simply person A and the male accused of vandalism to be person B?

You didn't answer my question: was JJ's treatment by the court too harsh for you?

I don't think so. He's fine. I'm sure it put a scare into him with lesser stakes as HEM said. Maybe a good thing.

But I’m happily in the camp that you treat women differently solely because they are women – women deserve courtesy and kindness, even when they are not of the same mind.

I disagree 100% with this :)

My stance is this: you treat women equally because they are people, and all people deserve courtesy and kindness, even when they are not of the same mind. (And then of course, you gotta look out for yourself if they're really crapping on your parade; but this should be a high threshold)

Now granted, in practice it's easy to falter. And I'm not a saint. But shouldn't we be treating everyone, not just women, with the same high standards of compassion and decency?

When you say maybe she need to experience a man that won't act like this, is it possible that you are you implying that by being a good man (not a good person, but specifically a good man), Josh may make her want to be a better woman? She was not romantically involved with Josh, so this seems a little weird to me. Maybe experiencing a strictly platonic encounter with a man who IS going to act like this and not put up with her BS opened her eyes. Who knows?

@ParisHawk does it matter that she was a girl? How do you know she was being tramautized? It seems people want to portray her as some innocent helpless girl. She's a D-I baller in a P5 conference. She's seen stuff, done stuff, understands stuff. And it seems she had a pretty active role to play in the situation. Let's give her some credit in that regard. Similarly, while Josh is an old freshman, he's still a college freshman. Let's not assume that his decisions now are indicative of his adult character. Let's look at this through the lens of the current times.

@KUSTEVE I think the fact that she was a girl doesnt really matter, except that people force it into the story. I agree with you that any person who messes with Josh's teammate is likely to be on Josh's bad side and that he probably will handle it better in the future but I'm pretty sure they will still catch an earful from him.

Well the Heat dumped everyone except Wade and Chalmers, and then nabbed Bosh and LeBron. No different than Boston building around Rondo and Pierce and nabbing Garnett and Allen.

LeBron saw what Boston did and wanted some of that. Maybe Boston opened the door a crack and LeBron and co blew it open with their gaudy pyrotechnical display (and 2 championships as opposed to one).

@DoubleDD they won in 2008. For Allen, Pierce and Garnett, none of whom had won prior, I think it was a success.

This recent wave of super teams was started with Boston's big 3 (plus Rondo) I think.

@DoubleDD the number you have reached has been disconnected...

@wrwlumpy leave it to that guy to misspell coffee, shamelessly hawk the misspelling as an internet meme, then misuse the newly coined misspelled noun as an adjective. What a "genius" :frowning:

@JayHawkFanToo I think that's exactly what @Texas-Hawk-10 is saying. And if so, I agree.

And if you were to use a word like "broken" or "corrupt" instead of nonsensical, I'd agree with you as well.

@JayHawkFanToo why is that nonsensical? Basketball is a different animal.

Spoke with a friend who coached ball in Petersburg tonight about Frank. He told me Amari has amazing handles. I know I joked about it before....but 2031 guys. Return of the Mason. Book it. #BIAM RCJGKU

@wrwlumpy Josh is a competitor. I have to believe that he would find a way to will a team like Washington to something greater than a 9-22 record. Maybe that's not fair to Fultz but Josh has the desire and the frame to impose his will on all parts of the court.

There was a graphic showing the decline of short PG performance being markedly more drastic than tall PGs, and that's something to consider with Thomas. He's not young and unless he's a major outlier he's approaching the edge of that cliff. So maybe that scares them into grabbing a PG.

If you take Jaylen Brown and plug him into Kansas's system last year, does he do what Josh did? If you give Josh 42 minutes over three playoff games against Cleveland does he give you 16 points 2 reb and 2 assists? I think he gives you more.

I didn't realize that Markkanen's dad played for Roy at Kansas...

"He is the son of Pekka Markkanen, a former professional basketball player who played basketball at Kansas for one season under Roy Williams"

In these atheistic times, have we satisfied our human need to believe in omniscient omnipresent beings by believing in Deep State?

Detained, broken, released. A life wasted for nothing.

So how much time do you think we see Svi at the 4, I guess is the big question. Svi is pretty damn tall for a guard, but he has always felt weak in the paint. I wonder who between those two will be better in the paint. Feels like Mitch tbh. So yeah, Mitch is the cherry on top this year, but with the logjam at 3 Mitch might beat out Svi for the stretch 4 spot in situations where Self needs stronger inside presence.

@jayballer54 Yeah as Mitch said he's only gained 7 lbs and at 217, don't think he can bang so that trey gun is his golden ticket to PT for sure.

This strengthens my feeling that the talk of a high low return is mostly a smoke screen. Self is looking for ways to go 4-1 and let Udoka crush single man coverage in the paint. Preston better be working on that trey gun too!

Yeah, I'm not seeing the point here @jayballer54. This conversation has gotten out of control. Locking it.

Might have derailed our season last year with udoka getting hurt?

@justanotherfan I like bold statements. I look forward to congratulating you on your prediction.

@mayjay ugh

It seems an improbable coincidence that this conversation is happening after Self was elected president of the NABC. It also seems that Bill Self's apparent successes with OADs Jackson, Embiid and Wiggins, while having a history of player development, Frank being a perfect example, make it easy for him to talk the talk of an impartial mediator. Still, I think moving to a 2 year minimum system would benefit Self and I wonder how much he is involved in kick-starting the revisit.

@BShark in what few videos I saw of Garrett it doesn't seem like he will ever have the handles to be our PG. I dont think Self wants to go back to less than air tight ball handling. Having Frank at point after Tyshawn, EJ, Naadir... I am thinking never again. But never say never with Bill I guess. He will play the hand he's got if it gives him an advantage somewhere.

@BShark you beat me to it! I just was going there in the edit above.

@JayHawkFanToo Sure I hear you, but Udoka was 6'11 270 coming out of high school! Bragg was 6'9 220! There is a HUGE difference. Bragg's body will never let him bruise people like Udoka. Our off season expectation was a leap in finesse with Bragg. Udoka's off season expectation was a leap in strength and conditioning, and I think we can already see that has happened. Unless Udoka suddenly takes up playing hackysack and following Phish, I don't see where we will be disappointed.

Even if he's just rebounding and dunking, nobody is going to be able to stop him from doing that. And I don't think he will get in foul trouble just doing that.

A trimmed down conditioned Udoka seems like the perfect 5 in a 4-1 for us. Spread the floor and let him destroy any unfortunate mortals in the lane.

Deleting @jaybate-2-0 did not behave as expected. Instead of purging the account it seems to have left a global guest account that is resolving as one of the options when Auto completing @jayb ... Minor annoyance. Shrug

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Yeah I said it. Barring injury, he's going to be ridiculous this year.

@JhwkrRedLegs im pretty sure every team has been thinking Frank Mason would be the steal that falls to them in the second round since the end of last season. Hopefully we are witnessing the feeding frenzy that will push him to late first round / early second now that all these teams that have secretly fallen in love with Frank realize there is a crowd.

We are gonna be chippy this year! @Kcmatt7 thought the same thing about wishing Dedric could play. Dug that drive and kick drill, where passer returns to catch and shoot. No wonder we are so good at finding the third side. Who here thinks returning to the high low is this years fools gold and Bill has flipped the script? Man how high was Udoka on those dunks? Felt like he was arms length above the rim. I don't know if they will call O fouls on him. It's pretty apparent he's freaking strong. Maybe that'll normalize the whistles in his favor if he starts getting national press. Can't wait!

@jaybate-1.0 maybe WGSN decided D Day is out of fashion.... http://99percentinvisible.org/episode/the-trend-forecast/ ↗

@nuleafjhawk when he lost to us in the tourney he whined about it. Sullinger had way more class in the postgame than his coach! I think that's what did it for me.

@chriz surely pulling a mcd frosh big, a lanky guard that was POY in Texas, a big transfer than can play right away and a couple transfers that were beasts in their conference and open up a pipeline to several other ranked family members should be considered a strong class.

Good write up on the problem with three shot fouls in the NBA.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/presents-19522177/the-nba-most-profitable-play-not-dunk ↗ ↗

@jaybate-1-0 I'm not entirely sold on the logic about education being a sham for an additional year if they stay 2. Maybe schools could all develop a sports business program with a 2 year core curriculum and the pros could require completion of that before consideration of a candidate.

Also I believe having to navigate the transition to an establishment between high school and NBA gives high school some leverage with these kids to keep it together and graduate. While sometimes it might be pulling teeth, successfully managing that transition seems like a positive learning experience.

@HighEliteMajor well Embiid is freakishly gifted. Not sure comparing to him is fair when assessing their oafishness.

@JayHawkFanToo so the premise of the article is that kids don't want to learn to be centers, and (I guess?) they're suggesting that tall athletic kids don't want to play center? But they also say that big guys have foot problems. And that big guys today could be as dominant as before. This article was written when LeBron was still on Miami so maybe the GS and Houston model changes that assumption
Dunno. There aren't that many rediculously tall athletic big people to begin with. It does seem a foregone conclusion that if you have a super freak center you find him minutes. And such people are a rare breed now, as they always have been....

@JayHawkFanToo it's definitely going to be interesting to watch Texas. Seemingly few excuses left for Smart. That's a lot of pressure on a freshman point guard isn't it? Is this kid legit?

Well we don't need to be. We could agree that both parties are a mess that fuel two massive spin engines, warping and polarizing all news stories into two war camps. I like to think I'm not on the spectrum. It just happens to be the Republican business affiliations slinging the most obstructive BS these days.

@JayHawkFanToo I don't get what this has to do with Fake News about racism against Muslims or perception of racism in Los Angeles. Thats a lot of energy spent on wild speculation about what unspecified groups of people might be thinking, doing, or saying. Exhausting.

I blame the spin pipe. Allow me to ramble a moment. I watched Tucker Carlson last night. Woof! That guy is some kind of nasty little made up monkey.

MSNBC is beating Fox in ratings because the truth these days is stranger than fiction. Fox news viewers who used to tune in for their daily dose of sensationalism are jumping over to MSNBC to get a taste of the good stuff. Fox fiction these days is a boring fiction! Trump who? Let's talk about Hillary.

I think Oklahoma is going to be #2

Oh no. Lawson punched someone in the face, suspended indefinitely!

Article here ↗

His floor is the roof! Svi will be Sviiling it, Udoka will be Ceiling it.

@jayballer54 how many 17 year olds could dominate Duke? He's already proven that he has elite abilities and can execute in pressure situations. There is a lot of room for growth, yes, but his floor is already the penthouse!

@jayballer54 only way he stays 2 is injury.

@drgnslayr fast twitch is not as important when you can dunk anyone clinging to the ball through the hoop along with the ball.