Les Miles and KU parted ways for a 1.9 million buy out
jayballer67
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well we have played with like 5 out before right ? - -playing Jalen at the 5 sport right? I guess we play with Marcus - - - Ocahi - - - Jalen - - - Christian & now maybe Bryce ? - just means Christian has to really step up - - Jalen really need to really step up
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Les Miles:
Does Jeff Long survive this situation? 2 of his last 3 football hires have been fired for non football related issues. I don't trust Jeff Long's judgement and evaluation skills given his track record.
they need to put him on the very next train - - - OUT
@FarmerJayhawk said in Les Miles:
@jayballer67 said in Les Miles:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Les Miles:
Kevin Kane wants the job, and his first choice for OC is Nate Scheelhaase. Rockhurst reunion!
If this old memory is right , Kevin Kane played for us years back didn't he ? - -Middle linebacker ? - - probably not right
Bingo!
ahhh thanks. - -for some reason I was thinking that might be the case
All I got to say is - - - - F - - - . - - were not going to play in the Big 12 tourney right ?
way luck is going with KU sports - - WHY does this not surprise me
@FarmerJayhawk said in Les Miles:
Kevin Kane wants the job, and his first choice for OC is Nate Scheelhaase. Rockhurst reunion!
If this old memory is right , Kevin Kane played for us years back didn't he ? - -Middle linebacker ? - - probably not right
@Marco said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
There is no way with all of these transfers entering the portal this year that we aren't able to nab one of them.
I hear ya buddy, that's what I'm talking about too. - -I mean ya the cloud of the pending NCAA crap has hurt but yet surely out of all these kids. IF we really want a quality player , out of ALL THESE GUYS you mean to tell me that there is NOT ONE that would want to come and get the chance to play for one of the most historic Blue Bloods that has some of the greatest fans and tradition? - If that's the case someone is not doing their job
Ok so I just wanted to say this. Now I think we all can say ya what happened with Les was the right thing to do , what he did was wrong. Some calling him a nasty old dirty pervert - - -maybe I am not the one to Judge as I don't think any of us are , there is only only person who is in a position to do that , but not getting into religion. What I wanted to again it was wrong and we had to part ways -- Long needs to be next for sure but here is what I'm trying to get at.
I have to appreciate Les to this degree and love what he had to say: Les said in his statement - - that he knows Kansas is in a better pace now then what it was when he got here. most definetly 100000% agree. I don't think ANYONE can debate that. The quality of players , the players more talented. We were/are getting to talk to kids now because of Les that wouldn't of even began to think of even returning our phone calls before Les. NO Juco's -straight High School players - -better high Schools players involved recruiting players against bigger name Schools -- that was Les & Staff - -not a Beaty staff.-- he was getting our numbers back in check. Anyone remember in Beaty's final year - -we had ONE - - ONE player committed to us and the Schools we use to recruit against for players they were GOD horrible. Can't deny the fact that he for sure upgraded our recruiting and level of talent. - Sure we hadn't gotten to see the type of results YET but it was coming, you could see spots & times were you could see these players developing we were just so young.
Then he said this in his Statement and I'll give the best props for doing so : To the players I want you to remember that you came to play for KU and earn a degree here. I implore you to STAY and build on what we started. - - Amen to that. He could of been a complete ass and encouraged players to find other places to go talk all trash on KU - -but he didn't and for that I have to say THANK you Les. just a bad situation
If you get a chance Matt Tait had a pretty good piece in the LJW. Made some sense , at this point sure the hell might be worth a shot - at this point it can't hurt us anymore then the way it is now.
He mentioned the possibilty of naming Emmit Jones as the interim Coach. - -been around the program , has a good relationship with the players on the roster, a lot of the players really like him - a lot of the recruits really like him. - He would probably be the best bet right now in trying to keep our roster in tact as much as possible anyways . Give Jones this year with the team while you search for a Coach and hell if he does well Tait said like Brown did for Wichita State did with their basketball program, then you could always remove the interim if they wanted. - I think he might be the answer to what I fear most - -the exodus of the roster if we make that wrong pick then our numbers get shot all to hell again and we go right back to where we was - -Jones would continue some continuity - -like Tait said hell the list of Coaches right now available or willing that would consider coming here ae pretty limited. - - worth a shot.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in 2022 Crootin:
@jayballer67 said in 2022 Crootin:
So I've got this sick feeling about mass exodus -- -Farmer how bad you think we get kicked in the chones with Miles getting fired? - - I'm afraid it's going to be open the flood gates. - talk me of the edge buddy
Way too early to tell. Depends on the interim and who gets hired next fall.
true, but you know how the Norm goes, it could get really ugly. - -the top of my priority is Mercy I hope we hang on to these QB's
@BeddieKU23 said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
Portal gained 40-50 names yesterday.
One to note
Greg Parham, PG, VMI- 18.4 ppg, 4 ast, 43% 3pt%
6'4, 64 made 3's on 48% FG%.
Twelve 20 points games this year including a stretch of 7 straight.
I think this one ends up at a big school..
Dang buddy he sound like he would be a really good get for someone , you would think out of all these transfers surely would could get ONE, and this one would be a great one fill that PG spot we need
Well now that it is official just showing this again. -Yahoo Sports came out with these names there would be a couple of them I wouldn't mind them checking into. - -Mike Nice from ball State - - - Candle from to Toledo Or Leipold might be nice
I see Joey Buckets has moved us up to a 3 seed in his latest Bracketology. - - doesn't show it that way off the ESPN site but was watching a tournament game Western Kentucky ? - -anyways doesn't matter but it scrolled across bottom of screen and showed us as a 3 seed
So I've got this sick feeling about mass exodus -- -Farmer how bad you think we get kicked in the chones with Miles getting fired? - - I'm afraid it's going to be open the flood gates. - talk me of the edge buddy
@BeddieKU23 said in Big-12 Tourney:
Definitely. His performance on Butler though should be the performance that resignates with voters. He is absolutely in lockdown mode right now
I would love to see it again , but I don't think it's gonna happen, probably Mitchell from Baylor
Well , Well heard this just now. Coming out of Maryland reporter commenting and saying that two Coaching jobs looking like going to come available, not sure if after this year - - or next but reporting that Sean Miller due to NCAA - -and then are you Ready ? - - -drummmmmmm roll lol - - - OL Squeaky /Bruce Weber - K/State retirement - -hmmmmm, well maybe he is getting up there in age, heard this off our Local sports station here in Topeka. - Not sure where this guy got that information from but something to see if that plays out. - -Brucie gone after this yr - - next year ?
David Mc Cormack & Marcus Garrett 2nd team All Big 12. - - - Garrett 1st team all defensive team & McCormack most improved player in the Big 12
@FarmerJayhawk said in Les Miles:
Sounds like the ax will drop in the next few minutes
oh dam buddy where you see that at ?> - - Les Miles gone right ?
Heard this on the local sports - kind of interesting, here is some tidbits for you : - -Did you realize that KU will be the ONLY Big 12 team that right now that Bracketology - -ok , KU is the ONLY team in the Big 12 that will be or have a higher seeding in the Big 12 tourney then in the NCAA tourney - -crazy.
Then they were talking that they think just because KU this year does not have that normal typical flashy team that they are being shafted because at this moment they are saying at of all the projections they have seen KU is a # 4 seed - - - Yet KU is 6-8 in Quad 1 wins & 3-0 in Quad 2 wins & no bad losses While they have Villanova higher Houston higher while only playing 3 quad 1 games & has bad loss - they have WV higher with I think they said 6-7 quad 1 - -it's a mess - - like others were saying they just ought to go off resume - for me though it doesn't matter we gona have to play some tough teams along the line anyways but is kind of crazy. KU lower seeds then teams with worse Quad 1 records and Quad 2 loss and Bad losses. - -I was trying to write down as they were saying but couldn't keep up
@Marco said in Non-KU Games Thread:
@jayballer67 said in Non-KU Games Thread:
MAN Teague for Baylor 33 points with about 2:30 minutes left & get this are you ready ? - - - 10 -11 from the 3. - - TEN OUT OF ELEVEN
Yeah,,,, for my prediction to hold up Teague had better cool down real fast, huh? 😂
lol , ya let's hope so. - -That dam team as a whole is leading the Nation in 3 point shooting - -very Dangerous
@BeddieKU23 said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
So far there isn't a "must go after" one that's hit. Some have pleaded for the Pittsburgh PG Johnson but he has his issues. The next month will be fun to watch how many hit the portal.
I don't know let me ask you this. Do we REALLY need a PG next Season ? I mean is it an absolute must ? The reason I ask is I just wonder we the PT DeJuan is getting and or experience , I think actually if he has or will grown from experience wise this Season and off Seasoning Conditioning knowing the system even better , I just don't think it's a must need for us do you ? I think if Harris could work well enough to be able to run the team distribute the ball , were going to have enough Scoreres on the offensive end w ith what we will return and what's coming in - -I realize no PG coming in but - we know Harris is going to be another Marcus before it;s said and done on the defensive end , already disruptive- -I could be wrong , for me I just don't think it's a 5 alarm bell if we don't land that PG. Seems like we got one in the fold right here - - -right now has shown enough at times this year. I think with this years experience he has gotten little man would work fine.
Bryce could even probably spot fill in when Harris is resting, Bryce has played that a tad bit this year right ? - I'm not saying your one that has said we have to have that Pg , I'm more asking you - - your opinion in question form - -do you think we do ?
MAN Teague for Baylor 33 points with about 2:30 minutes left & get this are you ready ? - - - 10 -11 from the 3. - - TEN OUT OF ELEVEN
@FarmerJayhawk said in 2022 Crootin:
BIG addition. Cory Hendrix, OT from College Station. Best OL prospect this staff has landed so far IMO.
big time get , kind of surprising that he went ahead and announced with NOW our situation with the head Coach
Dam what a game between Houston & Memphis. - -Memphis down 3 with 9.3 seconds to go - - dude put up terrible 3 point attempt for Memphis but Memphis get the rebound kicks out to Boogie Ellis drains the three and tied with 1.7 seconds , Houston calls time out. - -gets the ball to half court Dude catches it and drains a 3 to win the game for Houston - - - crazy
Dam Jo Jo AND Ben Simmons both , neither one going to play in the All Star game cause Jo Jo's Barber tested positive for the COVID. - -what's the deal with these Barbers
Gotta give some props for our former boy - - Brett Ballard Coach -they won their game last night against Northwest - with a last second right about half court shot. - -Sports Center top 10 0:36 video saw it on TOS check it out pretty cool
If Miles go could KU lose significant number of recruits. What is the likely scenario?
I'm sure we would lose - - some , not sure how many. I would hope we could retain key commits such as these QB'S would really wonder about our 2022 commits. Scenario usually is a lot of kids will hold out for a bit anyways to see who the new Head Coach is before making a decision -- then some others just say NOPE and look else where -usually the case you get a new Coach then times where that new Coach wants to bring in a lot of new staff so that also plays into things also
@FarmerJayhawk said in Les Miles:
LSU fought absolutely tooth and nail to keep every detail in that report from coming out. Have it on excellent authority Long didn’t know and wouldn’t have hired Les if he did.
I dunno but his Lawyer Blasting KU - -saying they knew. - -IF LONG did know then just that much more reason BOTH NEED TO GO and go NOW
Well Grimes seems to have settled in pretty good at Houston, watching their game against Memphis. - -Grimes is number 3 in the Nation in making over 3 - -3pt goals a game , dam forgot what they were saying for what but he is in the finalists one of five guys they were saying doing with some kind of Naismith award - doing ok I guess
just checked today Bracketology. Got to say and I know it won't be like this BUT I got to say if it did , I wouldn't have any problem with that region at all for the 1st couple of rounds I'd go ahead and take our Chances Region 3 , Michigan # 1 seed and we would be in the upper half with them - -But 1st round would have us matched up with Colgate - - & then We could play the winner of the Colorado/Toledo game I would take my chances up to that point
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Non-KU Games Thread:
@jayballer67 said in Non-KU Games Thread:
1st ticket to the Dance going to be punched tonight . - - OVC Championship tonight , Belmont vs Morehead State , 1 vs 2 - -& so it begins. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Liberty already punched the 1st ticket once North Alabama reached the A-SUN title game because they aren't eligible for the NCAA Tournament yet so Liberty gets the A-SUN bid regardless of the outcome tomorrow.
, sorry bout that. Thought this was 1st one
Things just getting worse for Villanova. - Now Justin Moore the guard averaging I think 14.3 , went down with what Wright called as a SEVERE Ankle injury said probably an MRI tonight or tomorrow
1st ticket to the Dance going to be punched tonight . - - OVC Championship tonight , Belmont vs Morehead State , 1 vs 2 - -& so it begins. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@stoptheflop said in Non-KU Games Thread:
I assume the huge loss (pending) to NC will finally be enough for the tourney officials to quit trying to find a way to get Duke into the tournament.
Duke is toast - ONLY way they get in now is to win the ACC tourney
Ran across a article from Yahoo sports this afternoon , quite the write up. They talking about how the days for Les is numbered and that if KU can get it's act together , saying which we haven't for some time that we might be able to land a quality Coach. - Having said they they s was going to list some names about possible replacements. So here they are :
1. - - Willie Fritz Tulane : 60 years old , Familer with the area would probably be a good fit
2. - - Lance Leipold Buffalo : 56 years old , Coach of both Bowl Wins in Schools History , MAC Coach of the year twice His Name thrown about , Vanderbilt , Illinois , & Tennessee.
3 . - - Skip Holly Louisiana Tech : 56 years old , Led Tech to Bowl games the last 7 Seasons , Ability to put together staffs after constant churn of turnover and has the ability to ident
ity , recruit , and develop strong rosters every year. 21 Seasons a a Head Coach at hard jobs , like U Conn - - ECU - - -& USF - - -Louisiana Tech and only 6 losing Seasons.
4 .- - Troy Calhoun Air Force : 10 bowl games in his 14 Seasons and has won more then 58 % of his games .
5 . - - Jay Norvell Nevada : 57 years old , Extensive Big 12 Experience , Iowa State , Nebraska , Texas , & Oklahoma 22-13 over his last 3 years with 3 bowl appearances.
6 . - - Mike Elko Texas A & M DC : 44 years old Most Coveted assistant in next cycle fielding SEC"S top defense in 2020 Caliber of Coach KU would struggle to land in a more competitive Market.
7 . - -Jeff Monkey Army : Proven Winner , would provide upgrade & rebuilder High School roots in Illinois would give Natural MidWestern presence .
8 . Sean Lewis Kent State : Name has come in Searches last 2 cycles including UCF this year, led the Nation in Scoring this Season at 49.8 per game although only played 4 games lol - - has shown the ability to execute in most difficult circumstances.
9 .- - Ken Niumatalolo Navy : 55 years old Proven Winner who would install discipline and identity in a program that has lacked both since Mangino left town has gone 101-67 with 11 bowl games in 14 Seasons.
10 . - -Jason Candle Toledo : Guy has won 65 % of his games , a MAC Title Candle interviewed for Missouri & Boston College two years ago and his Offense and play calling Pedigree would fit well in the wide open Big 12.
11 - - Mike Nice ? - - Ball State : MAC champs 2020 Nice brings dynamic passing game from his time with the New Orleans Saints and just showed the patience to endure a long rebuild at Ball State.
Then Yahoo talked about the possibility of KU naming an Interim Coach - -And they were ,:
1 Long has tabbed OC Coach Mike Debord as the point person for now - -Debord chances depend on who is in charge. Has close relationships with Long and Miles both , that could hurt his chance and only been her a month and hasn't had time to build strong relationship with the players.
2 They said if KU decides to fire Long , & hire a new AD and then they run a search for after 2021 then most likely Candidate would be DC Cordinator DJ Elliot . 9 Seasons as a DC at a P-5 school and has had stints at Kentucky & Colorado. Of the returning Coaches he would be by far the best resume.
What a mess , Who knows - -but just passing along
@nwhawkfan said in Non-KU Games Thread:
That game's tomorrow. Wishful thinking on my part.
oh , ok - I was looking but didn't see anything
@nwhawkfan said in Non-KU Games Thread:
And Michigan State over Michigan. That, plus some help in the conference tourneys, could MAYBE get us as high as a 2 seed.
B10/B12 will be nuts. At least 7 bid-worthy teams in each.
Michigan State beat Michigan ? - - -DAM
@nwhawkfan said in Non-KU Games Thread:
And Nova goes down again.
they going to spiral down - - lost their stud boy Gillispie
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Non-KU Games Thread:
6 thurs winner of ou/isu?
So what your saying is Oklahoma lol - - not easy
@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Non-KU Games Thread:
But Kansas with 12 wins and a better %. I believe we are locked in as the 2-seed now.
might very well be right my friend
@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Non-KU Games Thread:
WVU 5-23 from 3. Thanks for the 2 seed I guess
WV , KU & Texas all with 6 losses now - will have to wait and see how Texas does tomorrow
Okie State , just beat West Virginia without Cunningham - - without Likely at Morgantown and WV shooting 34 free throws 85-80
Very Interesting. Just under 4 minutes left with WV / Okla St , West Virginia getting ready to shoot their 32 free throw , Entire Oklahoma St roster in serious foul trouble lol - - -Oklahoma St 8-12 from the line , hmm lets see 32 free throws - - - -12 free throws - - -32 - - 12 hmm ya that works. - - No Cunningham - No Likely and 332 free throws and Okie State still up 1 - -well , well. Huggy influence? - - Naaaaaa
Another reasoned reply to my knee-jerk, naive fan’s subterfuge. I guess I’ve just had it with this miserable football team. I would be happy with a terrible team. What we have suffered over the past decade is undefinable, inexplicable and indefensible.
My question is: does KU have legal remedy against LSU? If they covered this up and these incidences could not be found during the vetting process and it ends up costing us recruits, fans, money and wins can all that be quantified into a lawsuit? Clearly we are going to be hurt through another organization’s negligence. Do we have recourse here?
That I'm not sure about recourse against LSU or not - - my 1st thought is - - I really don't think there is much of a chance for that , BUT could very very easily be wrong on that might wanna ask someone else about that TexasHawk maybe
@FarmerJayhawk said in Les Miles:
So question: what should we do now? Pursue outside candidates, hire an internal interim, or hire a one year caretaker (Jim Grobe, John L. Smith in recent years)?
I heard maybe we should just turn it over to Eargle for the year - I think that are once again facing a huge problem now - -just when you could see the smallest flicker at the end of the Tunnel , at least to put a competitive team on the field. You couldn't ask for more of a crappy timing for this
We are really gonna struggle to find a even somewhat solid Coach to come try and take over this mess - - - Unless we get that RIGHT HIRE our recruiting is going to make a major hit and set us back again. I think people have to realize even though Les had his head up his ass , alot of the better talent that we were starting to come here was because of Les. True we had/have some pretty decent staff BUT in the end I think alot was the opportunity to play for Les Miles. - -just a real hard kick straight to the Chones. - -I myself really have no clue what I could/would do if I was in that position of authority/position. - Maybe it is best to just hand it to Eargle for this season. Already knows the players , the players know him - - Won't effect the OC - -well maybe , didn't Les pretty much be the one to hire him ?
Hell I don't know what they will do - - I don't think they have any idea either at this point. -One thing I do know is that BOTH should be shit canned LONG & MILES - -and soon , just a really bad look for the University as if we needed more of that. - -I got a friend that I was talking to that is a KU Alum and he said the way he feels and some others felt Miles should of been let go Yesterday - NOT HAPPY AT ALL
Jo , Jo having MVP year - - 30.2 ppg - - - -11.6 rpg - - 1.4 blocks per - - & 85 % ft % - -guy is a beast
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Les Miles:
@jayballer67 said in Les Miles:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Les Miles:
Jeff Long has a good eye for coaching talent, but an absolute shitty eye for character or just no regard for character. This is basically a repeat of what happened to Long at Arkansas and something like this happening is why I've never been a big Jeff Long fan and thought it was a bad hire when it happened, and it's turning out to be a bad hire now. The only silver lining might be if KU end up firing both with cause and saving a few million dollars.
So help me out here cause I seriously don't know how this works. - So if they could fire them with cause KU wouldn't have to pay them their money ? - -that would be a just fit. - this whole thing is just a Baad look for the University
Yes, if KU fires Les Miles with cause, that means it would be determined that Miles violated the terms of his contract and KU would be under no obligation to pay the remainder of his salary.
That issue was at heart of the Beaty lawsuit. KU was trying to prove Beaty knowingly violated his contract so his termination would have been with cause instead of not winning enough so KU wouldn't have to pay out the $3 million left on his deal.
Ok thanks for that , I really didn't know how that worked. Appreciated
So Long has placed Les on administrative leave while they investigate, Sweet way to try and Cover your own ass Long. - -you by far are not just some innocent by stander in all of this - -you TOO need to go. - GO SOON. - if you would of followed what you should of done, go through the correct procedure of a FULL Coach search maybe things would be different - -your decision making has been really poor - total classless judgement, now look where we are at
I agree it's discouraging. We have now, somehow, scraped below the bottom of the barrel with our football team. On the bright side, so what if there is a mass exodus? We won exactly ZERO games last year. ZERO! In the past decade we have won 18 games. IN TEN YEARS. That's an average of less than 2 wins per year for the past 10. So, really, who gives rat's behind about any of this? Scrap it all and start from the beginning. It honestly cannot get worse.
The fact that this program cannot recruit kids that look like they've even played the game before is simply unfathomable to me. Replace everybody and I would wager we can find kids who can win more than 1.8 games per year over the next 10.
No , I have to disagree with you on that. - -That's the problem we actually WERE getting an upgrade in talent since Les has been here. We were getting commits from where we wouldn't have even gotten a sniff from befor - wasn't recruiting and loading up on Juco's some pretty talent kids on the roster - only thing is we are Sooooo young. We were just starting to get some kids that i a couple of years and this team would be just salty enough to be very competitive - NOW that this has happened we fire Les which we better then those kids that have come here in the last couple of years because mostly of Les - -watch they gonna be wanting out like the talent coming on Board now I bet you anything we gonna be screwed Hopefully they name Eargle as Interim Coach hopefully be able to hang on to these kids. He is over a lot of positions or in on the recruiting, let him take this at least for this upcoming year. Only Coach on the current staff my understanding that has had any kind of experience with that - -just sad all around