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@justanotherfan

Thank you for taking a moment and proposing a hypothesis with your usual thoughtfulness.

At first, I thought BINGO, but then I was dragged back to the harsh reality that KU, Duke, Slick deVille, MSU, UCONN and UNC have not copied the model that Cal has used for a few years now. And I recalled that after each season Self appears to copy something from other highly successful programs and so one would expect Self, and all the other coaches mentioned, to have already jumped on this model, if it could have been duplicated. All of the programs mentioned above have the coaching, sports infrastructure, and clusters of high level talent to tell every OAD that if you five Mickey Ds come to our school you will work out EVERY PRACTICE with other Mickey Ds.

So: that cannot be the explanation, or we would be seeing it having been copied at each of these schools, and perhaps more.

@justanotherfan, I am left only one inference: something else has to be driving the phenomenon acute recruiting asymmetry in talent distribution at UK especially.

What could it be?

We are making progress here.

We keep ruling things out.

We seem to be getting to where there are very few explanations left.

Keep posting anymore that you think of.

And I hope others do to.

My goal here is simple. It is to arrive at a remaining explanation that is clear and probable enough that either Self can adopt this explanation and always have as many Mickey D's on the KU roster as UK, OR it will become apparent that Cal is doing something that Self is simply incapable of doing.

And again, I am assuming every thing Cal and UK are doing are painstakingly legal.

@drgnslayr

Fire Marshall Bill has to be one of the wickedest, funniest comedy characters ever to lampoon anything. LOL! even as I wince at how outrageous Jim Carrey can be.

I met him once on a walk outside an apartment complex somewhere between Hancock Park and the Miracle Mile neighborhoods in LA before he had made it big. He was the nicest hilarious human being I ever spoke to in passing. He was not trying to be funny. He just WAS funny. He had been doing laundry. And was wearing a scarf on his head. Three days growth. Pale, all nighter skin. All I said was hi, as I passed him. I barely recognized him from an old short run TV show he had once done about a cartoonist on a show kind of like Bullwinkle. I could not recall his name. But he nodded and shrugged at his load of clothes, and shot me one of those fabulously weird smiles, as if he had something weird stuffed inside. I laughed, and then walked down the rest of the block to where I was headed and I could not wipe the grin off my face. Some are born funny.

@wissoxfan83

Human folly is never a possibility to overlook. Thanks for calling my attention to it.

@Hawk8086

So glad to see you back for another season.

So let me try to unstack the deck, at least to what little extent this humble alias can.

But before I begin, you raise an interesting question in my mind: Has Cal adopted an effective business model, or has a business with an effective model adopted Cal? and Stumpy, legally, of course?

I only think about legalities. I always assume that big actors on stage playing for tens of millions, or hundreds of millions, or even billions of dollars, play legally. There seems too much at stake to play illegally.

My point is this: if the answer were Cal adopting an effective business model, then wouldn't everyone have long ago copied it? I mean it worked for Cal at Memphis. And now at UK. Since no one apparently but Stumpy Miller, a modestly experienced coach from Xavier, has been able to copy it quickly the way the Stumpster has apparently done upon arriving at UA, one ought at least wonder why has Stumpy alone been able to copy it out in thinly populated southeastern Arizona, in the MST zone, but others have not apparently been able to do so? Coaches copy offenses and clothing styles rather rapidly. They would hardly seem averse to copying such an extraordinarily successful biz model, as you call it; one that produced such suddenly winning and rewarding results.

What makes John Calipari and Stumpy Miller able to load up 5-10 deep on Mickey Ds, when others with vastly superior career records, or several more rings, or those recruiting smack dab in the middle of higher concentrations of top recruits have not been able to adopt this model, or, possibly alternatively, BE ADOPTED FOR this model?

So: let the unloading effort begin in earnest, shall we?

We can confidently infer a few things NOT driving this asymmetric distribution of talent.

It appears not to correlate to superior coaching abilities. Self beat Cal in '08 without a single player the quality of Derek Rose. And Self hung in against arguably the most talented team in awhile in the 2012 Finals without a single Mickey D on his roster. Coach K has 4-5 rings to Cal's 1. Donovan has two to Cal's one. Yet Cal has the 10 Mickey Ds. Why?

It appears not to correlate to superior offensive and defensive strategies, because Cal and Stumpy both frequently compete with sharply superior talent only to lose. This at least suggests a possibility that players are not being compelled to Lexington and Tucson to partake in coaches with an order of magnitude greater Xs and Os skill set that yields a massive edge in competition. Surely Bill Self at it longer than Stumpy, and no slouch when it comes to basketball IQ, knows as much or more than Stumpy, if players were looking largely for a coaching edge. Yet Stumpy appears to get the greater abundance of these types of players.

It appears not to correlate to charisma, because Cal apparently has only a little and Stumpy almost none. We are not talking about George Clooney recruiting Brad Pitt to UK here with Cal. And we aren’t talking about Denzel Washington recruiting Will Smith to UA. We are talking about John Calipari and Stumpy Miller.

It appears not to correlate strongly to tradition, because KU and UNC have as much, or more tradition, than UK, and UA has vastly less than KU and UNC and others.

It does not appear to correlate highly with superiority of conference competition. The SEC and Pac 12 seem a cut below, say, the ACC, Big Ten, and Big 12, though some coasters might dispute the Big 12. Still, that leaves the ACC and Big Ten to try to explain away, which I cannot pull off.

It does not appear to correlate significantly with time zone location, because UK and UA are two time zones away from each other. And UK is in the same time zone as Duke and UNC. Why does UK have 10 Mickey Ds, but Duke and UNC do not. And remember, Duke and UNC used to get as many Mickey Ds as UK.

It does not appear to correlate with population density (no need to master the obvious).

It does not appear to correlate with sports infrastructure, because UK's is reputedly vastly superior to UA’s. And KU's, UNC's, and Duke's are equal or superior to UA's, and some say Duke and UNC are on a par with UK. But Cal and Stumpy get the bumper crops.

It does not appear to correlate strongly with weather either. University of New Mexico, Arizona State, New Mexico State, Texas El Paso, Fresno State, among others have climate approximating UA's. And again, I do not need to master the obvious that myriad other universities equal or surpass UK's climate.

It seems not to correlate strongly with academics. Any number of schools offer equal or superior academics. And if easier academics were the driver, well, if recent reports were to prove reliable, UNC, for one could compete neck and neck, and so could probably many other D1 schools with reputedly soft academic paths for student athletes.

So: again, I must ask what drives the apparently acutely asymmetric distribution of talent presently?

What variable, or variables, remain to explain this phenomena, now that the deck has been unstacked, as best this lay alias can via speculation?

Hmmm, what else is there?

Well, I have not run a correlation with sun spots yet.

It could, also, I suppose, correlate somewhat counterintuitively with highly localized climate effects triggered by human-driven global warming, BUT I find this far fetched.

ISIS, or ISIL, or Corusan, seem to be being blamed for about everything. How about them? No, that's absurd (and besides, we don't do the political here).

And it could be that Nostradamus predicted the exact reason that two men of the distant future named Cal and Stumpy would attract absurdly asymmetric distributions of Mickey Ds during the teen decade of the 21st Century and I missed it when I speed read Nosty's boredom buster.

After perusing these rather farfetched explanations, I am suddenly stunned to see to my right, over in the corner, there stands a 900 pound gorilla with a tiny lamp shade on its head pretending to be a haired over floor lamp. Shaved into the fur of the 900 pound gorilla's chest are the words: "Petro Apparel." I ask the gorilla his name? Looking sheepishly under the teeny lamp shade on his huge head, he says, "Would you believe Megillah, as in The Big?" To which I say: "I, I, I don't know. I'm not sure what to believe anymore about college basketball. Its all so counterintuitive, you know? Increased violence in a non-contact sport. Reputed whistle-shaping of games to fit them in broadcast windows followed by a season of sharply different whistling early and then still different whistling late. Allegations of easy As and Bs in African Studies and African American Studies at the university that integrated the ACC being said to imply staggering corruption. Its all so confusing to a simple fan. In thinking about the presence of the big ape as a possible explanation of talent asymmetries, I am torn between two quotes. One by Arthur Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes who said to Watson something like, '"How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?" And another by Thomas Edison, who said, "“When you have exhausted all possibilities, remember this - you haven't.” The big gorilla pulls the tiny lamp shade down tightly on his head. "Are you alone?" I ask him. To which he mutters something I cannot quite make out, but which sounds vaguely like, "Don't bet on it."

Rock Chalk!

...And then the C-Axis • Nov 16, 2014 11:01 AM

@Jyhwk_InTigrtwn

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Cal reputedly has 10 McD AAs on his roster this season.

Here are the UK gets for next season so far listed on ESPN

☞Skal Labissiere--6-10 rim protector, 5th ranked C

☞Isaiah Briscoe--muscular 6-3 200lb PG, 1 ranked PG

☞Charles Matthews--skinny 6-5 175 lb, 12th ranked SG

Of these gets, apparently only Matthews considered KU lately. And given that he is only 12th ranked at his position, it kind of looks like Cal took him just for fun to keep him from going to KU.

And here is an ESPN list of other likely UK prospects to join these three.

Jaylen Brown (# 2), Malik Newman (# 3), Ivan Rabb (# 5), Cheick Diallo (No. 7), Caleb Swanigan (#8), Stephen Zimmerman (# 10), Brandon Ingram (#12), Antonio Blakeney (# 14) and Carlton Bragg(#18]

This is quite an interesting list of signed players and players waiting to see if UK will have openings, since this year's team has 10 Nike, er, McD AAs.

Let's take a straw poll:

Vote Yes if you think the players come to UK because of Cal's charisma.

Vote No if you think the players come to UK for "miscellaneous other reasons."

It seems an embarrassment of riches. :-)

Man, can that guy recruit, eh? :-)

KU/UCSB Post-Game • Nov 16, 2014 01:02 AM

@KansasComet

I am still hoping you are right, that this is just a little slump, but...

I keep remembering waiting for guys that never came around, and for guys that had injuries that kept them from coming around.

What if this is WYSIWYG?

What if this bunch just doesn't have anybody that can gun it 40% from trey? Or maybe only one?

It sends chills into my vertebral bodies!

Last season we sucked from trey and were bailed out by a once in a generation footer and the best prospect since Lebron.

BUT WE STILL LOST DOUBLE DIGIT GAMES!

OMG, how many games would a doughnut with a hole in the middle and no 40% trifectates lose?

What if Conner Frankamp can shoot 40%, and we watched him take a walk?

Puts a knot in my stomach just imagining it.

KU/UCSB Post-Game • Nov 15, 2014 09:02 PM

@HighEliteMajor

Regarding playing to our identity, I agree with that. But right now we are a team with a defensive identity of pressure applied almost Roy Williams style at varied pressure trapping points unpredictably, but with a big helping of Self toughness and help. I think you are going to see an incredibly amped defensive performance for stretches of time. But the team lacks an offensive identity at this point, beyond it being half court passing team that scores efficiently inside, is horrible outside, and unpredictable at the FT line.

Regarding a blitzkrieg metaphor, I am on the look out for a more fitting and so more illuminating metaphor so I will certainly try it out.

As I look at UK, I see two teams--a first string composed of 5 reputed draft choice players that constitutes an experienced veteran club (for this day and age) that has been to a Final Four. I see a second string of green wood Mickey Ds. What I will hazard now is that if there were to be any kind of a breakthrough with force concentration via an unexpected route, the blitzkrieg will involve finding a path around the first string and then involve using more sophisticated and complicated attack defense on that second string than the players on that second string have the experience to cope with. More about the implications of this later.

Regarding Oubre...

IMHO, I have to resort to paraphrasing Cool Hand Luke as I probably do too often: What we have here...is a failure to trifectate.

KU is trying to decide right now if it is in a trey ball drought that will end shortly, or in a trey ball desert where it must learn to be like a desert succulent or reptile that has to adapt to precious little water. And an opponent, UK, approacheth in which whether KU is caught in drought, or desert, the shooters need to break the drought, or tap into their water reserves, and make it either rain treys, or swell the arroyo with treys from the reservoir shooting back to one's averages. Self has got to find someone that can make some treys in Indy to give them some chance. Self apparently doubts Oubre is even worth gambling on in this regard.

And I still wonder if some kind of injury perhaps stopped Oubre playing through.

And maybe it cascaded into a little tension and unplanned questioning of authority.

Or maybe Self is just trying to conceal the injury in hopes of at least making Cal prepare for an Oubre that won't be able to do much.

Or maybe Oubre is just not ready to cut his hair. An OAD's choice between branding aesthetics and team aesthetics that may not cut it with a coach that has FU money and has learned that you can lose more games with OADs than you did with characters, some 3AD draft choices and some eye test failers, you know? :-)

Self appears to want to play Oubre BAD! because Oubre has physical attributes that make Self think and say the AF term--ATHLETIC FREAK!

But again Self is scambling to find a three gun for the UK game.

Without a three gun in Indy, the blast effect and collateral damage to a young team by this Lexington arsenal of thermonuclear OADs could not only overwhelm, but have fallout with a radioactive half life of the rest of the season!

With a three gun in Indy, Self can complexify it, alternate between sand bagging (against the UK starters) and attacking (against the UK freshman), apply tons of defensive pressure at varying pressure points, and keep it within striking range down the stretch.

The only strategy against UK that is coherent (not certain, but understandable) to me and makes use of the blitzkrieg metaphor is this: try to foulup the first five and steal some possessions with a combination of high defensive pressure (steals and charges), and a long hold offense distinguished by slashing attacks designed to draw fouls. Use this approach to get quickly to their second five, then really mix it up between running the stuff and transitioning. Throw everything but the kitchen sink at the second five. Use every weapon you've got, swarming pressing defense and an offense fluctuating unpredictably between complex half court action and rapid transition strikes with long passing.

Distilled, you want to play their second five quick, and their first five sloooooooooooooooooooow.

The fewer possessions that occur while UK's starters are in the game, the better for KU.

The more possessions occur, while UK's pop tart baking freshmen second string is in the game, the better for KU.

Further, as nearly as I can tell, UK's first and second strings are going to be equally long inside, while the second string perimeter will be not so ridiculously long.

Really, the dream game for KU is to draw a foul every possession that the UK starters are in, and never draw a foul when the UK reserves are in.

A good possession against the UK starting five is: defend them hard for most of the shot clock, then run the stuff for 30 seconds and draw a foul driving on a perimeter starter. Make FG+FT.

You want to foul up their long perimeter players, because that gets you to their shorter perimeter backups. Trying to get starting footers fouled up, when backup footers come in gets you less payback.

KU has to be hitting treys. So: Self has had to get the kinks out of his trey shooters before Indy. So: Oubre has to wait. And he probably doesn't like it, or understand it. And Self is probably trying to use the down time as toughening box time, even though Oubre, outside of hair, Oubre has probably done nothing what soever to deserve the toughening box.

And, frankly, if Svi and Greene really are D1 grade trifectates , then one is, or both are, primed and ready for Indy.

They have both stunk up the floor shooting, especially Svi.

Svi, statistically speaking is primed for a 6-7 night from trey.

What interests me most is whether Self will start Graham, or Svi. Other things equal, Graham should start based on performances so far. But other things are not equal. Self has to make a decision about which tandem he thinks can score the most against UK's freshman second string: Graham, and Alexander, or Svi and Alexander. I don't know UK's second string so I can't say, what Self will do.

But I am getting jacked up about this game.

I got the objective, doubting Thomas assessments out of the way early last week.

The last two days I have been in operational mode trying to figure out how to do the impossible, which is what I really like to do.

Rock Chalk!!!

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I feel you want to talk something over with me.

I feel you want something.

But you are denying yourself that entitlement.

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You seem rather anal about bandwidth?

Are you displacing onto it?

You also seem unusually argumentative and aggressive.

Is there something you would like to talk with me about--get off your chest?

May I help you in any way, as one Jayhawk feeling compasson for another seemingly in pain?

Is that the best you can do? :-)

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Tell your boss who you are really working for now. :-)

@JayHawkFanToo

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...And then the C-Axis • Nov 15, 2014 05:29 PM

Self's public performance has been pretty clear in its purpose from the beginning. Self's rhetoric dating to last summer has been a tight wire act aimed at shaping the battle field for the UK game--the second game of the season.

Self has walked a balancing act of preparing the fans for being blown out in Indy by Cal's Nike-Wildcats, AND he has been laying down smoke screens and disinformation at UCSB and the Nike Wildcats in hopes of getting some kind of edge going into the contests. But what kind?

Self's history in using the media is to use the media exactly as a 2 guard, which he was in his playing days, uses options and faints, when initiating on the wing. A wing intiator can:

a.) look to post feed;

b.) put it on the deck;

c.) reverse the ball;

d.) shoot; or

e.) pump fake and do anyone of a through d after the fake.

If one stops to think about it, as Bob Knight was always trying to get every player, ever coach, every announcer and every fan to do every chance he could, it is quite a long menu of options for a defender to have to successfully defend, if an offender is truly skilled in execution of the options and in fainting.

The key to wing initiation is not to hide that you are initiating. The key is to make sure the defenders knows and respects and so has to choose what he is going to commit to stopping among your options. Its is the options signaled and received and the forced choice that gives the edge to the wing initiator.

So: what we have heard non stop and what we have been shown in the two exhibition games and to much lesser degree were faints for Cal to have to assess.

Based on Self's very controlled showing of his hand in the three games so far, entering the KU-UK game Cal knows that he is going to have a huge height advantage inside, as he always will, but outside, Self has made clear to him that he is not going to know for sure whether he will be playing tall, or short permeters, and Cal will have to tell his starters they will have to prepare to guard (and offend against) a minimum of three different players at each of the perimeter positions.

Think about what Self has done by this long orchestrated smoke screening.

The goal of all highly athletic teams is to get to where they are playing and not thinking, exploding and not thinking, transitioning and not thinking.

There is a very old heurist in thinking. It goes like this:

--anyone can think of one thing at a time;

--some can think of two at a time;

--but it is only a very tiny percentage of the population that can think of three things at once effectively.

One of the ways you can tell amateurs, and light weight professionals from the highly skilled in any field is not just on their feet processing speed, but by how many things they can juggle simultaneously on their feet in real time, how many variables and parameters can they coordinate skillfully. For instance, lightweights in board destabilization would create two fake aliases, not three, and when they tried to mask this by creating three they would be asymmetric and unsubtle in how they used them. Conversely, if they were skilled and created three in the first place, then they would in time be exposed as well trained pros, if they handled them well. Either way they leave a signature. :-)

The entirety of advertising and PR and the propaganda and psy-ops techniques that have descended from early mass advertising and circulation war driven yellow journalism of the Pulitzer/Hearst era are premised on this heuristic. Create something persons have to focus on, then give them a stimulus, a counter stimulus, and then a suggestion. The ordinary, undefended person experiences cognitive dissonance from the stimulus and counter stimulus. If the target created for them to focus on has sufficient attraction, then they have to resolve the dissonance by accepting the suggestion. Amateurs are particularly unskillful at all of this. Pros are particularly skillful. So: both leave an unmistakable signature in short order. But I digress. :-)

The point here is Self is both and old 2 guard and some one that has studied psychology extensively and someone that has shown an ability to think skillfully and strategically in terms of use of media as a channel for signals.

We can try to know persons like Self and Cal by the signatures of their teams.

Self and his teams boast a thousand page play book.

Cal and his teams boast the simplest offense ever devised that has also been effective.

Both coaches appear to love athleticism, but Cal apparently loves it so much more than Self that he signed with Nike, which apparently has the vastly greater talent pool, while Self signed with adidas, which apparently has the vastly thinner talent pool. The choice of which PetroShoeCo to sign perhaps suggests a lot about the personalities and preferences of each coach IMHO.

Self apparently believes that team work, getting better, toughness, sound strategies and tactics can counter raw talent. This is an approach that requires a brilliant coach to pull off.

Cal apparently believe overwhelming talent playing the simplest, quickest to master offenses and defenses, together for brief periods, is the better approach.

Too many spend most of their time judging the morality of the two approaches, which is okay to do, but does not generate any insight for actual battle.

Self appears to be creating a realm of personnel complexity on the perimeter that forces an unusual amount of uncertainty and thinking on the UK perimeter, where he apparently finds a very formidable UK team most vulnerable, given KU's small size inside.

It is critical to recall what you and later I noted about the UCSB game. Self tried a lot of things the first half, things that when viewed in combination with the tape of the two preceding exhibition games, reveal UK will be playing a KU team in which UK's point guard will have to prepare to guard three different KU players, and UK's 2 guard will have to prepare to guard 4 players, and UK's 3 will have to guard 4 different players. And of course there are five players that could show up at either the 4, or the 5. (That's the stimulus.) But in the second half, Self went with a seven man rotation. (That is the counter stimulus.)

Thus, Calapari, the guy that prefers to talent, and his staff, and his players, all of whom are in the program to make Cal's program work, are being made to think. They are probably proactively sifting through tapes, and comments by Self, looking for an edge in scouting. But even if they were not to, even if they were to do it the Wooden way and ignore what the other team is doing, even if they do not sift--the interesting thing is that the news media can be used to confront them with the issues simply through questioning at pressers (note: certain in the media might even be primed by Self precisely to prompt them to do that).

So: while we fans have been focusing on the X-axis, and patting ourselves on the backs for being thoughtful enough to do so, at 'slayr's nudging, and while some are beginning to focus on the -Z-axis of tempo (i.e., varying pace and point of attack on offense and on defense), Self has been ratcheting up what I will label an C-axis (the Complexity Axis) for UK and Cal, who apparently basically do not like complexity. He has been been moving the level of competitive interplay as far out the C-axis as his talent permits him credibly to signal doing.

The attractiveness of moving out the C-Axis is that it makes them have to think about more variables than they are probably comfortable doing generally, AND it makes it really tough on UK's 5 or so freshman phenoms. Self, coming off Wiggins and Embiid, knows first hand just how limited these "great talents" are the first month of the season, especially the first few games.

By moving out the C-Axis, Self is in effect shortening Cal's bench, for as Cal goes to his bench, while he may get a great athletic play or two from great athletes, he is sharply increasing his likelihood of bone heading because of guys trying to figure out who they are guarding, and offending on, and how to guard and offend on one versus another, of 3, or 4 different players.

But there is another juicy benefit of moving out the C-Axis, or at least appearing to. With an opponent like Cal that is predisposed to reduce things down to talent and overwhelming match ups, Cal will be very tempted to try to "decide" which 7 Bill is going to rely on MOST. In other words, Cal, who probably believes he is pretty good at distilling things, and who knows he has half a team that does not yet really gasp the reality of the speed and violence of a D1 major, is very likely to opt to try to beat Self with his first five, and not necessarily with his inexperienced depth. And once Cal commits to such a path, then Self gets to pick at each of his perimeter positions the guy he figures creates the biggest problems for UK initiating action with.

UK is very predictable, as all of Cal's teams have been since his adoption of the Dribble Drive. Get it in the paint. Shoot or kick out. Outside. Ball screen. Dribble drive. Pull up, drive or dish. Repeat. You know what's coming every play. The problem is it IS a sound strategy and if you let it unfold with Cal having superior athletes, he wins.

(Note: Self’s high-low can get very predictable, too. Substitute perimeter passing for ball screening and dribble driving and the old in-and-out is the same. But the high-low always has to advantage of ball movement, forced sliding by the whole defensive team, and so a wider range of the floor where the point of attack may come. Ball screening is a wicked tactic guard well constantly, but it has the flaw of being limited to the running speed and distance of the guy that’s going to set the screen giving the defense ample time to anticipate point of attack, once it is used to guarding it. I am convinced this is why Self does not adopt more ball screening, or run more screens, and prefers fade curls of screens, when he does. Self seems a fanatic about not EVER letting the opponent anticipate exactly where offensive impact will come. Thus he is partial to passing creating open spaces that the KU player actually determines the point of impact in in the moment, rather than at a tightly scripted, predetermined time and place. If even KU does not know exactly where the impact point will be; that is, if the KU offender is supposed to create within the space, then the defense cannot defend the spot. They have to defend an area—not a spot. But I digress.)

But as with any other offense and group of players, if you get them reading their cues wrong and thinking too much about their choices (as in “which guy is this, what is his strong hand, what are his tendencies, what can I give him, and what must I deny?), and if you vary degree of pressure and pressure points of your defense, and if you consistently force the ball in the ball screen into the shooter with the lower percentage, and then go to the other end and play efficiently on offense, you win, or come close.

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KU/UCSB Post-Game • Nov 15, 2014 01:14 PM

@HighEliteMajor

I fretted over an upset that did not happen. Yay!

Self did what he had to do: avoid going to Indy 0-1 and starting 0-2 with his young team.

If we had been told 2 months ago he would have had to get the W without Oubre and Frankamp and Mickelson in the rotation, and with Alexander not starting, and Greene being unproductive and the team either in a trey slump, or being the worst three balling team in Self's tenure, we would be ecstatic he got the W.

And I am.

And KU's small bigs--true 6-7 Perry and true 6-6 Jamari--found a way to keep 20% trey shooting UCSB from being efficient inside (Williams 9 of 18). And both got on the glass for 10 Reebs each and both got on the offensive glass!

This was as big as Coral Sea for Nimitz. It makes a Midway at Indy at least a statistical possibility.

But KU could not separate at home and had to go best 7 rotation the second half to beat a mid major by 12 at home.

Self is desperately seeking threes from what might become his worst 3pt team ever, if this proves not to be a slump. He has rotatated Graham, Svi and Greene, as starters, looking for a defense stretcher. He would not be trying Svi and Greene, if he did not hope to start Graham at point eventually.

Greene blew a big chance vs. UCSB. Self is apt to start Graham, but he needs trey balls outside, and some size.

Mason? Same virtues, fewer vices. He seems shaky, more under control, but a season from comfortable and that is only reasonable. Graham would start at point if Self could find a wing that could protect and trey ball. But he can't yet.

Bottom line, we are sailing into Indy needing a Midway sized victory, and after UCSB, it appears our Nimitz aka Bill Self has NOT got 4 carriers in hiding at an unexpected angle of attack.

Gulp.

Time for a new metaphor.

P.S.: Oubre has to be injured.

Expert Predictions? • Nov 14, 2014 08:49 PM

@Lulufulu

Nike-UK

Nike-UA

Nike-DU

adidas-UW

I believe Nike having 3 of 4, or 75% of the Final Four teams befits the percentage of the summer league team they reputedly provide sponsorship for.

Expert Predictions? • Nov 14, 2014 08:40 PM

@JRyman

Expert in sports commentary is like Vice President at a bank. It is meaningless.

@HighEliteMajor

First, I love it when you take our humble citizen journalism into the arena and get first hand responses from the horse's mouth.

Second, Self is very persistent once he finds a desirable action that fits resources (some call it stubborn, but I don't since I am that way, too :-)) once he works it through and decides what will work best, and so what is worth working hard to achieve. He appears a very hard worker and hard workers don't like to waste their hard work on suboptimal, or questionable strategies. They like a good plan, assume there are a couple that would be almost as good, settle on one the relies most on the most reliable players, and then they like to pursue it doggedly. This is why so many can come up with plausible alternatives to what Self does at any time, but Self keeps grinding onward with what he already has sunk costs built up in. He assumed at the start that there were a couple good ways to do it, but the way he picked is based on which approach made the most use of the most reliable players. It makes hard work purposeful and tolerable and easy to focus on. You don't get distracted with second guessing about other reasonable alternatives. You are getting better while others are shifting gears. But Self recognizes a need to change quickly and decisively and effectively once the parameters that dictated the old plan change irreversibly. I really believe he invited the Marines in as much for himself, as he did for his players. The Marine Corp way is systematizing improvisation. It is making tactics themselves at decisive moments the new strategy. So: with Conner on the team, there was a certain kind of team that was strategically and tactically feasible, a kind of team that was well-suited to highly flexible tactics within a rather rigid strategy. The intent clearly was that tactics were to become strategy as the team went game to game. But that all hinged on the fact that Conner could be one of two low turnover ball handlers with him stretching defenses. This was crucial for obvious traditional high-low offensive reasons. But Conner's critical importance to the scheme Self was articulating was Conner's particular combination of low turnovers and defense stretching meant Self could move Selden anywhere from 1 to 2 to 3 to 4 and add some combination of Graham, Mason, Greene, or Svi and achieve low turnover ball handling (Graham and Mason low TOs with Graham on the trey) and two 3pt threats (Svi and Greene trey balling, but not Greene ball handling); this is always the underlying requirement of Self Ball played through the high-low formation regardless of what kind of stuff they run. The moment Conner departed, Self could no longer achieve BOTH two low turnover ball handlers AND two three point threats out of the starting gate of the season, and with an ability to continue it during substitutions. It would take 2/3s of a season to get to that point, so Self quickly and decisively and soundly decided that the original strategy of moving Selden all over the floor, i.e., sculpting a small ball team with highly flexible tactics was no longer feasible. Now what makes sense is to limit Selden's role to the 2 and 3 and see if Graham and Svi can get comfortable as a sub committee at the 2, and Greene can "get it" as a sub at the 3 yet.

Oubre's role is dramatically effected by Conner's departure. Until at least two of Graham, Svi, and Greene prove they can protect AND shoot 40%, Oubre for all his reputedly great athleticism is a luxury at the 3 this high-low team cannot afford, and if Self is forced out of a high flexible tactic strategy into a traditional use of Selden at the 2 and 3, the team cannot really afford Oubre at the 4, except as a backup to Perry Ellis? Why? Because without a big, dominant, good scoring, rim protecting 5, the guy at the 4 has to be able to stretch the defense by stepping out credibly to trey ville. Oubre apparently cannot do that. Oubre is apparently kind of a very high profile, OAD equivalent of Kevin Young but without a Jeff Withey, or a Thomas Robinson to pair with, unless of course Cliff Alexander, who is going to be tremendous eventually, becomes tremendous suddenly, which there really is no reason to gamble on. Alexander will do best brought along slow to be ready to rock for the start of the conference season. This means that Oubre, who was likely to be instrumental in the high flex tactics strategy, when Conner was on the team, could ironically become odd man out until January, when by then Alexander is both dominant and not foul prone, so that KU can afford to really benefit from playing Alexander and Oubre together some at the 4 and 5, or 3 and 4.

Of course, where I really think this is all headed is entirely away from small ball by late January.

By then, I expect Mason/Graham at point guard, Selden/Graham at the two, Svi/Oubre/Greene at 3, Ellis/Traylor at 4, Alexander/Lucas at 5.

And I think we will see Alexander increasingly at the 4 with Lucas/Mickelson at the 5.

In short, Self is playing small ball to bridge into big ball.

Assuming Self starts Traylor, the first substitutions five minutes in will tell one part of the tale of whether or not small Ball is "who we are." Self will get to choose between going with Cliff, Lucas or Mickelson, or staying small by staying with Jam Tray. If Traylor stays in, then small is who we are. If he comes out, then Self is just using the short big Traylor to "shorten" the game for the big bigs to come in and play big Ball.

My hunch is small Ball is really Self shortening the games for foul prone Cliff/Lucas/Mickelson committee of "who we are."

Use of Svi/Greene/Oubre will be the other tell of "who we are."

When Oubre gets serious and cuts the mane, Self will have to use his wrapped knees to keep the OAD valve on; that's a given in the Big Shoe era. But where he plays is the second tell of small vs. tall ball. Oubre for Ellis at the 4 is staying with small ball. Ellis is at most 6-7, same as Oubre. If Self brings Oubre at the 4, this small ball may be real.

@Crimsonorblue22 backfill twice here.

:-)

@drgnslayr

Write it.

Next.

KU vs. Emporia St - Svi To Start • Nov 13, 2014 06:40 AM

@JayHawkFanToo

What we have here is a failure to ex-communicate.

:-)

KU vs. Emporia St - Svi To Start • Nov 13, 2014 06:39 AM

@JayHawkFanToo

Nice try.

Howling!

@Crimsonorblue22 <==================> @JayHawkFanToo

:-)

@JayHawkFanToo <==============> @Crimsonorblue22

:-)

People forget that KSU spent huge money on football in the late 60s when it S-Canned kindly, intelligent Doug Weaver, and hired UTenn assistant Vince Gibson and built him a brand new small, but state of the art stadium and athletic dorms that allowed him to out recruit KU and steal some recruits from OU and Nebraska. That massive infusion of capital in the guns and butter 60s, when KU let football greatness of 1968 under Pepper Rogers transition into Terry Donahues inability to recruit. And KU football went down in drugs and flames as the campus did too. KU preoccupied with Civil Rights and the Vietnam war, and convulsed in violence was actually how KSU laid the foundation necessary to eclipse KU in football. Gibson was discovered to be a minor monster and forced out after turning the program around to 6-4 or something incomprehensible to a KSU program that had set the record for winless streaks a couple of times and had not fielded competitive teams in 30-40 years.

But again, just as the 60s ended in the early 70s, and Gibson was replaced, and the fires at KU died down, longtime Jayhawk Don Fambrough got hold of the program, much as Clint Bowen might now, and briefly got it rolling only to have it implode from drugs and Fammer's loose supervision. KSU labored through a bleak period of a couple of incompetent hires, while KU muddled through the same and recycled Fammer once in their.

But the difference between KU and KSU was that KSU's big money became increasingly focused on finding a way to pay the huge nut on the KSU football stadium, something KU did not have to worry about nearly as much. KU only had to pay for additions and some really bad Astroturf fields. KSU had a huge stadium nut sucking it dry and had no choice but to keep trying to commit to building a successful program. Also, KSU, after a long run of being super at basketball but never quite closing the gap on KU's basketball tradition, finally decided football had to come first. They paid Bill Snyder a lot of money back at that time to move from Hayden Fry's assistant at Iowa to KSU head coach. People forget that Snyder would likely have been the heir apparent at Iowa, and would never have come to KSU, had not Frye and Iowa run into improprieties that ended the Frye regime at Iowa and terminated Snyder's shot at being a Big Ten head coach. The point here is that Snyder actually walked into a much better situation than what is generally remembered. The facilities were among the best of the second tier programs. The big debt made KSU leaders and donors willing to to be absolutely compliant to a guy like Snyder. He had a ton of talent in the pipeline that he could redirect to KSU after the Iowa implosion. Snyder, like a lot of great coaches, looks like a cross between a saint and a business executive, and he was no saint, but he was a helluva an executive type. The key was that KSU was way more cohesively committed to football success than KU has ever been able to sustain. They had superior facilities to KU and as good or better than every Big Eight/Twelve school but NU and OU. And they were willing to spend more for whatever Snyder asked for almost from the beginning, even though he was losing. Let's put it this way. When Snyder wanted to completely junk the old school logo there was no debate. What Snyder wanted, Snyder got. KU has never been that way with any football coach. To the contrary, KU had either been indifferent to, or out right ungrateful to every successful football coach it has ever had.

KU has to take the facilities another step up in this day and age. KU's facilities are reputedly inferior to quite a few Texas high schools, even thought hey are as good or better than some Big 12 schools' football facilities.

KU does not necessarily have to improve the facilities BEFORE it hires its big time coach. But it has to have the cash needed to take them up another level in a bank account they can show a big time coach. They have to be able to prove to a big time coach that WHATEVER he wants, he not only can have, but can have it in the ground and ready to go ASAP. He has to know there will be unqualified support. This is what KU has never been able to give big time prospective coaches. Why is complicated. But KU is feeling incredible pain about the nut it carries from the last round of upgrades. And when a university feels enough pain, sooner or later it forces cohesion, or collapse. KU is probably about ready to become cohesive.

@JayHawkFanToo

Gee, it seems like after all that you did not answer my question. Why? :-)

@JayHawkFanToo

Oh, my, as George Takei, used to say.

You are a sensy.

Breath deeply, then count to ten.

Then try again. :-)

KU vs. Emporia St - Svi To Start • Nov 13, 2014 12:45 AM

@KUSTEVE

Totally agree that exhibitions do not tell you anything about how hard and how explosive this short team can play.

But they tell us how short and slight we are inside, unless Alexander and Lucas are in.

And how deep Self is pushing Mickelson down the depth chart, which is to say clean up minutes in an exhibition game.

And what percentage we shoot near open look, poorly guarded treys against defenders that are inferior athletes. In the mid 30s.

And how we offensive rebound, against inferior athletes.

I realize we would do better, if we tried hard, and that we beat the piss out of ESU as it was.

But how does a D-I team not get one offensive rebound against a D-II team?

KU is going to look like a rocket shot out of a bazooka against UCSB, compared to their dead leg game performances against Washburn and ESU.

And UCSB may be daunted by the tradition and the time zone changes.

But UCSB is a legitimate mid-major with an experienced draft choice in the post. If KU throttles UCSB, then we have something here and my hand wringing will shift to trying to understand again what it is we have and how Self has pulled out another rabbit.

But it looks dicey to me right now.

Swiss Cheese Basketball • Nov 13, 2014 12:32 AM

@wrwlumpy

We are about to find out how dedicated Bill Self is to letting the trey ball fly this season. From strictly strategic and tactical terms, with Frankamp gone, and Greene in one degree of post concussion vulnerability, or another, Self really has to seriously consider starting Svi again, even though Svi failed as a volume shooter in his first outing. Svi is the only guy left that can handle the ball from the wing AND have a prayer of becoming a 40% trifectate. Man did Conner leaving and Greene's dinger make this team vulnerable to Saggy Spandex Defense!!!!

Its not enough that Devonte can shoot open trey looks (if he really can at D1 speeds and levels of guarding and violence) and hit his share. Someone on the other wing has to be able to, also. So far, Selden looks very unconfident in his trey, less so than last season, which surprises heck out of me, and makes me wonder about his knee rehab.

And Devonte is going to be needed to fill for Frank, and play with Frank frequently, in order to keep the ball handling level high enough to keep the opponents from just triple teaming our short bigs and ignoring the trey ball. If we are not big inside, and not great trey ballers, then we have to have a second point guard that can attack from one pass away to keep some kind of pressure on defenses not to overplay us everywhere. The off-ball point guard has to be a threat to take a pass and get in the lane, or go to iron, or it is going to be 5 defenders on our two post men.

So: Svi is the answer, except that he was not the answer against ESU, which is pretty scary looking down the road.

IMHO, Self really has no choice but to start Svi again against UCSB and pray Svi can get untracked.

The feeds of Svi playing back in Eurasian ball indicated that he was the quintessential volume shooter. Volume shooters are streaky shooters that can go 1-7 and 6-7, so you have to give them their 1-7s to get their 6-7s.

If Self were NOT to start Svi, then he would basically be voting no confidence and doing with Svi more or less what he did with players last year, which he has explictly indicated he did not intend to do.

(Note: I have always figured that he went public with that to prepare fans for him leaving one volume shooter in, or another in for some 1-7 games and starting them again the next game.

Self does not dare go into Indy without a credible trey baller. It would be an epic blow out.

And even if Self does not start Svi, he has to bring him in with 17-15 minutes to go in the first half if KU is not separating with the efficient passing game.

@justanotherfan said:

Since the game was vacated, Memphis could have asked for that money back anyway.

I believe I follow what you are trying to say here.

They could have asked, but would he have had to give it back?

For example, you or I could have asked him to give it back, but under the circumstances he would have had no reason to do so.

So: if Memphis had asked, would there have been significant probability that Calipari would have had to have given the money back, since he was reputedly found by the NCAA not to have known about what happened, nor to have been responsible for committing the action that resulted in his unwitting playing of ineligible players?

I haven't a clue on this.

I suppose I can hypothesize why Cal might have given the money back. Hypothetically speaking, perhaps he was already into a much better situation after his move to UK, and he probably did not need the money, given his hefty new contract. And giving the money back perhaps helped him put distance between himself and Memphis and so focus on his new job.

But I just can't say if he would have had to give it back had Memphis tried to force him to.

Do you understand the situation well enough to say?

@justanotherfan

Is "academic fraud" a term of law, regulation, organizational rules, or industry/accreditation standards?

I have some vague sense of it referring to students plagiarizing and having other students take tests for them, or cheating on tests on examinations. Is that what you mean by academic fraud?

If so, can you get sent to the slammer for academic fraud? or just expelled from the university?

What is the definition of it that can trigger something actionable is what I am asking?

And in what realm of justice?

Is there a statute of limitations on it? This issue reputedly involves activities 4 and more years back.

Who can commit academic fraud: students, or professors, or university administrators, or private 501.c3 athletic department employees like ADs, coaches, assistant coaches, assistant coaches in charge of academic compliance, etc.?

Is a private 501.c3 athletic department even in the business of academics, or is that the responsibility of the public university that spun off the athletic department?

"Academic fraud" sounds more like another ill defined term, like "paper classes," "sham classes," but I just don't know.

But I respect you and figure you probably do.

@drgnslayr said:

No. The university has a moral obligation to...

Eh, I think you might have gotten me off the dime of uncertainty, and perhaps just persuaded me that absolutely no substantive punishment will come to UNC, Roy, Chancellor Folts, or the prior Chancellor, or the prior Vice Chancellor (our current Chancellor), when this is all played out.

Universities, though I am one of their strong advocates, appear IMHO among the world's slipperiest, and political of bureaucracies.

They call raising money "development."

There endeth the lesson. :-)

@JayHawkFanToo

Did you read where Zenger is negotiating to black out the entire basketball season in a quid pro quo for getting funding for renovating football facilities to bring them up to par? :-)

@Lulufulu

The thing about Vermont is that the heavier snows will make it easier to put off doing things and watch KU Basketball.

Swiss Cheese Basketball • Nov 12, 2014 09:42 PM

@VailHawk and @JayHawkFanToo

No doubt it was the new forgiving, let the treys fly, Bill Self.

No doubt Svi will start against UCSB, because, well, because Bill is just so laid back about shooting now.

Everyone on KU is now a "volume shooter," like Conner Frankamp. :-)

Swiss Cheese Basketball • Nov 12, 2014 09:39 PM

@RockChalkinTexas

The probabilities are the team will still be short inside in March.

Traylor and Ellis are upper classmen likely past their growth spurts. Lucas and Mickelson seem past theirs too and Lucas and Mickelson seem to be viewed by Self as 4th and 5th backups.

Cliff, apparently one of the top three in the big man rotation might grow, but he looks pretty darned physically mature,doesn't he?

Oubre? He might add an inch, if Self decides to play him out of position at the 4, because he can't shoot the trey.

But bottom line, if Myron likes our chances in March it must be because he likes short teams, that don't offensive rebound, and that don't shoot the trey very well unless they bring in guys that are still young enough to be prone to TOs.

Hard for me to read Myron, except to say that he has never appeared as friendly to the KU basketball program, as say, Jay Bilas.

KU vs. Emporia St - Svi To Start • Nov 12, 2014 09:04 PM

@drgnslayr

Be patient. The press will be unfurled intermittently in due time.

Self could not very well run the press against friendly D-II programs in state, when we were already pounding them like Number 2 nails into balsa wood. :-)

Self is doing the Full Nimitz here with Alexander and Oubre. Unless Oubre is seriously knee hobbled, Self is laying down a big, long, two game smoke screen here.

Self was determined not to give UCSB any tape to study.

Svi, however, was a huge failure in his tactics. It was the right thing to do to get him out on the floor and shooting a bunch of treys. The team basically has no three point shooting without him. Greene is punchy. All that talk about him being okay is hooey. Greene is better, but no one fully gets over a dinger that forces them to sit out in the first place, in this short of time. And, of course, our other trey shooter is down at the Round House, because cooler heads did not prevail, as they most assuredly should have. Letting CF go is going to go down as one of the few serious goofs in Self KU tenure, unless Svi and Greene become anything less than excellent protectors and stellar shooters after a month into the regular season. Svi and Greene are pop tart machines currently. So: overtime Self brings them in, whether they are hitting, or not, they cost you two possessions at least in Pillsburys. CF could have gotten a trey or two down, as he did down the stretch last season, without the gift pastries. But such was not to be, because apparently CF wanted to play PG and Self wanted him to play anywhere but there.

But back to pressing.

KU will have to press. They have no offensive rebounding. They have no inside presence. They have no trey game. Against big teams, they will run a defensive rebounding deficit.

Only pressing can give them untraceable bailouts. I hereby declare that their press be named the Federal Reserve Press.

Wooden understood that zone pressing and long balling is the ONLY way for a short team to stay on the floor as the competition gets good.

But Self had to withhold showing press before the UCSB game. He didn't dare tip off anything to UCSB. UCSB is probably the most important game of the pre-conference season. A loss to UCSB would start them off 0-2 and by the third game the opposing coaches will have enough tape to scheme against Mason and Selden and Ellis. And when the scheming starts, those three will have 2-3 straight sub par performances trying to adapt to the scheming. That 2-3 game stretch will coincide with opponents realizing KU is a 35% trey shooting team; that realization will mean the opponents will be packing the paint, and standing on the trey stripe. They will not guard one foot beyond the trey stripe unless KU makes 2-3 in a row. This situation means that KU could easily get upset by a cupcake or two and enter mid December .500. The team's confidence might never recover from that.

So: Self has to bank everything on beating UCSB in Lawrence. I don't know if he will amp the team or not, but he will surely send them out with every wrinkle he thinks they will need to survive UCSB's big man. They will be attacking him every possession to try to get him fouled up ASAP. If the UCSB big man avoids getting fouled up, then it will be a very long game. And it would be at that point that the press would be implemented.

Best case scenario for UCSB, is Svi comes back and shoots 4-6 from trey and UCSB's center gets fouled up early. Anything less and I expect Self really exhorting and prowling the sidelines working the refs as hard as if it were a Madness game.

KU M-U-S-T B-E-A-T U-C-S-B!!!!!!

A moral victory is not enough.

All hands have to go to battle stations now.

No matter how many injuries have to be taken, no matter how much damage is suffered, this is the decisive battle before the big show down in Indy.

This is Coral Sea.

Lose this, and there is no chance in Indy.

Lose this and it could take two months just to recover.

Win it and whatever happens at Indy can be taken in our stride and turned to our advantage.

This team is shortly to find out what it is like to fight at a disadvantage.

Out of such circumstances come the turning points of history in any organization in any field of any activity. When you are out gunned from the beginning, and the weapons you need to even fight even up are being developed, and you are buying time for your that development, it all comes down to the character of the guys that have already been there. Ellis, Selden, Mason are the bulwarks of the next few weeks, but almost certainly either Lucas, or Mickelson, will have to rise to the occasion, because Alexander will have us and downs. At times like this, character is all you have to get an edge. This is when the Marine Corp training comes into play. No plan will survive initial engagement. KU isn't better than anyone right now. KU has to want it more, and be harder, and tougher, until they can be better.

This is when you want guys that want to survive more than the ordinary person.

And whatever axis you play on, it is character alone that counts.

KU vs. Emporia St - Svi To Start • Nov 12, 2014 08:19 PM

@Lulufulu

Thx Lulu, always great to hear from you.

Swiss Cheese Basketball • Nov 12, 2014 08:17 PM

@RockChalkinTexas

Do you think it at all unusual that so many EST Media-Gaming Complex folks are picking us so high, when we are so short inside, and so short of proven trifectation, when in prior years we had so much experience and so much talent and had so many of the pieces in previous and they underreported KU?

Rose colored glasses on: they have learned their lessons underestimating Self and the Father of All Basketball Programs.

Rose colored glasses off: bettor expectations are being inflated in order pop them at the right time.

Its a hypothesis, of course.

But media ether seems unusually thick this season.

Notice that our steadfast man of basketball candor, Jay Bilas, the man who once spoke candidly about referees managing game length by whistle management, does NOT pick KU in his Top Five teams this season.

Swiss Cheese Basketball • Nov 12, 2014 10:35 AM

Swiss tastes good, but has holes in it..

Same with this KU team.

Offense tastes good.

But no trey ball or offensive rebounding or protection.

Defence tastes good.

But who can guard a DI big?

Passing and ball handling taste good.

But holes in protection.

@Kip_McSmithers Thanks.

@drgnslayr

Rick Telander is in synchronicity with our discussions of the playground this past off season.
http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/11243226/what-happened-playground-basketball-country ↗

@ParisHawk

I stand corrected. Thanks.

@justanotherfan

I respectfully disagree at this point.

You are pointing out acts of poor quality education, not the law, regulation, rule, or standard that has been violated.

And the only time it is appropriate to pose the

I am disappointed at how UNC did things, even though it is more or less what I recall reputedly going on at KU back in the 1970s when I went to KU.

But the point remains: you cannot have a violation without a law, regulation, rule, or standard being violated. It is still not clear to me that any actionable violation occurred, either from what you have pointed out, or what others have, or what I have read so far elsewhere.

But I understand that there is some pretty hot water roiling in Chapel Hill and someone will likely eventually articulate the law, etc. that has been broken.

KU vs. Emporia St - Svi To Start • Nov 12, 2014 12:27 AM

@REHawk

Going to CJonline.com with JNew's Blog might work. I haven't heard, but I assume he'll be doing it.