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Oklahoma Whiz Kid Revisited • Jan 31, 2018 09:48 PM

@REHawk

Yes, you are sitting pretty now.

And he is a good long shot, maybe as good as that UM guard that sunk us a few years back.

But we WILL get him and OU on the Back Nine.

And we have more video.

Devonte and this team and GOD will NOT PERMIT THIS TO HAPPEN twice!!!!

We only lost by a measly 5 points, because of career bads by Devonte, LaCobra and Doke.

Those 3 having an off game together will not happen again this Century!

Self and sharks never rest.

Defense can always be tweaked.

This is the edge of being a defensive team.

We will keep circling. Closing. He is chum to Self and his team.

All it takes is one off game, one off stretch the second half, one muscle pull in a leg, one hay fever attack, one argument with a girl friend, one tell he doesn’t know he has, and Self Defense will swarm in and eat him alive and leave us with a 15 point win!

The defense never rests.

The morphing zones are probably being expanded in variety precisely for Trae.

“Invincibility lies in the defence; the possibility of victory in the attack.”—Sun Tzu

@BeddieKU23

Lol

@wrwlumpy

10 of 10!

Last image breathtaking!

Thx

@Gunman

🤣

Technical Questions about Zone Defense • Jan 31, 2018 05:29 AM

It was the morphing zone Self has been using this season.

Usually starts 2-3.

Some time they stay in it, other times middle base line man floats up to make it a 2-1-2.

As the ball rotates to wing the zone follows and takes on a 1-3-1 look. Reversal of ball turns back to 2-1-2. Continued reversal and 1-3-1

To fool the opponent, sometimes the 2-1-2 has a perimeter guy at the 1. He then guards ball for a box and 1.

Sometimes the 2-3 and 2-1-2 morph into the old 3-2 junk zone with 3 guys guarding the stripe. I thought I saw all of it for brief moments.

Just call them Devil Dogs. • Jan 30, 2018 03:57 PM

@DoubleDD

👍

Hilary says: Trump.

Trump says: Hilary.

Netanyahu says: ME!

@wissox

👍

“I have no idea why Self would comment about not adjusting form during the season. It’s easy on free throws.“—@HighEliteMajor

To deflect as many questions about Doke away as possible, so the Doke Choke story has the shortest legs surgically possible.

Fightsongwriter said:

@Gunman. It was interesting misdirection, no? Complete double talk. Any junior high coach would have changed that hiddeous form.

Bill Self?

Media misdirection?

Why whoever woulda thunk it?

Of course he was.

And he was misdirecting who lost the Okie game too!!!!!

Blown said:

Remember when Svi told coach he would play better if he kept him at 27 mpg.

PHOF

Bramlage rhymes with silage.

I'll just run down the box score.

~Svi still so smokin' hot you have to wear an asbestos glove to shake his shooting hand. 5-9 from trey is scalding, but 8-18 over all was a little less efficient that is desirable. He got a little wild in the second half--something he hadn't done for awhile. Right now, those occassional wild hairs are the only real flaws. 22 points, and 7 reels!!! Add a highlights block and a steal and he was ballin'. Svi clocked 39 minutes of PT.

~THE IRON MAN, AKA DG, went 3-10 for a second straight game of low efficiency scoring saved by 8-8 from the line. 16 points and 11 assists is a big night, however, and he put in 40 minutes again.

~Self let Malik joint the Iron Man club tonight with 40 minutes of PT. Why? Because Malik was playing Self Ball par excellence tonight. As a guard, Mr. Offense mixed up with the big boys and made 13 points, but grabbed TEN REBOUNDS. And NOW HEAR THIS: MALIK NEWMAN HAD THREE ASSISTS!!!!! Add in only 2 pop tarts and Malik was getting into Self's "coachgasm" zone. If Malik keeps playing this way, Self will play him 40 every game.

~Vick went 11/4 with two assists. Self dished him 31 minutes. On any other team that would be considered a big minute outing. But on this KU team of Iron Men, Vick was a girlie man with 31 minutes. He played pretty well, but he is not untracked yet.

~Doke essentially got a night off with only 18 minutes. 6 points and 3 boards with no blocks is kind of strange for the man mountain. FT shooting woes continued with 2-5 at the line.'

~ Mitch Lightfoot took Dokes time to buy Doke some rest. Mitch was a blank on offense. But he was active on D and had 3 blocks, plus 5 reebs in 20 minutes.

~In one of those weird substitutions seemingly aimed at doubting fans, Self disconnected the cryo-ice tubes from Sam Cunliffe and let him play SIX minutes!!!! Sam got a bucket, 2 reebs, and generally did everything Self looks for, except for 1 pop tart.

~Marcus Garrett was quiet and got the quick hook after only 4 minutes.

~De Souza got 2 minutes. I had asked for 4 for the big guys, but Silvio made a TO and that was that.

~KU shot 45% from both inside the trey stripe and out, which bets the question: why shoot inside?

~KU's FT% raised to 73, so they did not deserve FT shame.

All in all a satisfying win over an interim head coach.

KU beats KSU 70-56!

@JayHawkFanToo

Fran knows he has to ride a winner for eyeballs and clicks, whether his son got snubbed as a walk on by Self, or not.

But if KSU opens up a 10 point lead, look for Fran to spit purple hair balls and luxuriate in KU's problems, as usual.

@HighEliteMajor

I'm glad you brought up this aspect of Diallo, which we both noted at the time, but which I have tended to overlook in my remarks about Diallo.

Diallo was NOT a worthless recruit. He had great physical abilities and it was amazing he was a productive as he was with as few fundamentals as he possessed. Had Diallo stayed a couple years, he would likely have been a lottery pick IMO.

But the season he was with KU, his advisors saw only a fee from being drafted in terms of present worth being greater than discounted future worth.

Thus, KU was getting not only a talented guy that was sushi fundamentally, but apparently also a guy that had advisors that could not buy into the team agenda and the role Self outlined for him. Self needed defense and rebounding. His advisor Luc Mbah-Amoute, if I recall correctly, seemed to think scoring was necessary for branding.

Self quickly found himself with a player that wouldn't stick around to become the kind of player his advisors wanted to market, and he didn't really want to play the role of rebounder and rim protector Self crafted for his limited fundies and the team's needs.

Another thing: Self was still smarting a little from Embiid taking an early powder, so Self might have been a little stricter about what he put up with from Diallo.

Anyway, the point of this digression is to say: Diallo was a large talent, just not a developed OAD 5-star like Duke, or UK, sign and ride to final fours, or rings. Diallo would likely have had to become a TAD to have a big impact on a team at that stage.

We will never know for sure, but given the career that ensued for Diallo, it seems reasonable to think there were issues we still do not understand that constrained development of his sizable talent.

@Barney

That seems the dynamic when Silvio sees some time.

@wissox

Agreed.

This is why I chose the Solomons Campaign as a metaphor for this season.

There is no margin for error.

And many risky operations to get to 14, and then the Carney.

Bullet Points on Defeat of TAM • Jan 29, 2018 05:46 PM

@Barney

Isn't it great how regenerative it is to be in "the field house" after a number of years away?

Glad you got to go.

Among other things, it helps one understand how "pilgrimages" came to hold such attraction to many human cultures and religions.

Barney said:

@jaybate-1.0 I think Mitch might get some '4' minutes as a better match-up for Wade.

First, I think you are right about the match up issue, but...

Question: do you want to play WVU again with Silvio having been cryo-iced for many games, or do you want to keep getting Silvio some game work against some bigs before Thuggy Bear goes to work on Azubuike?

I'm not sure I want to face WVU again with only Mitch having recent meaningful game experience. It kind of defeats the purpose of lengthening the bench with Silvio not to get him some work. Azubuike's fouling seems to spike, whenever we play physical opponents. If we played no more physical opponents on our schedule on the back 9, then I would be cool with icing Silvio and playing Mitch. But TCU and WVU are the looming Bougainville and New Britain in the path of our Solomons Campaign.

We need serious preparations for rugged terrain, beastly conditions, and smoldering volcanoes with broad shoulders.

Its not that I think Silvio can do much.

Its that I think he is going to have to do something.

And Helmet Hair coaches his guys to play physical, even when they aren't, so the Octagon of animal pathogen warfare Research is a good place to get him some more exposure to D1 grade combat, so long as desperate Wildcat researchers do not release bugs pathogens engineered to take out Jayhawks as their sole means of winning.

4 minutes is all I'm asking for here. :-)

I think TCU and WVU are going to really work Doke over. One, or maybe both games, Doke will quickly be fouled up.

Doke and Devonte, without credible backups, remain the Achilles Heels of the team.

We can't do more than Self has been doing for Devonte. Self is giving LaCobra and Malik a decent number to trips bringing the ball up each game, while betting the 14th Consecutive title run on Devonte for 40 mpg.

Silvio needs 4.

Bullet Points on Defeat of TAM • Jan 29, 2018 05:01 PM

@Barney

Definitive.

Thanks.

@HighEliteMajor

I am going to get a shirt made with "Монстр" today!!!

@BeddieKU23

Great news!!!

36 of 97 for 37% from trey is no way for Malik to finish at KU.

Svi can have a slump and Malik can scorch awhile.

Oh my what if they all catch fire?!!!

@HighEliteMajor

Thx for the memory augmentations!!!

Svi, at 47.4% for season on a team leading 156 attempts, is outshooting even my great expectations for the Ukrainian Kid!!! That’s just 4 more attempts that Devonte and Svi is +11 makes for THIRTY THREE MORE POINTS!!!!

Svi’s 3pt shooting is SICK!!!!!!! He is having a great season. He is even second on the team in assists!! Incredible given he is playing the 4!

He is making Devonte, and LaCobra at 41 and 40% look like dubious options outside. Malik? Fuggeddabout it. He’s down in the 30s. Keep driving it Malik!!!!

The only guy giving Svi any competition is Lightfoot at 42.9%, but on only 16 3ptas.

Get a place ready for the UKRAINIAN KID on the best trey season at 4. I thought Perry might be unbeatable for awhile, but the Designer’s record is in danger.

I don’t recall but I doubt Marcus or Keef took 156 treys.

This is rare air Svi is in.

KU has been balling well over a century now.

How do you say MONSTER in Ukrainian?

(Note: compliments to @HighEliteMajor for running the translator for lamebate 1.0, who did not think to do so.)

Silvio will get 4 minutes!!!

More PRE-GAME CHORES for The Agronomistas...

Feed the experimental chickens engineered to look like Jayhawks, so they can have ritual animal sacrifices for the NWO.

Check mail for latest CBW Research stipend.

Turn off FitBits before jogging the pretend secret base beneath Manhattan, where KSU stores experimental droppings, so it doesn’t show up on Strata maps.

Clean and press HazMat suits to wear over their overalls.

Go look at the newest models of foreign made tractors.

Email their congressional lackeys for more farm supports.

Invest in tamiflu futures.

Send AGRILEAKS.com some fake documents about a lethal Wildcatcat virus escaping the underground labs and jumping species boundaries.

Sell Tamiflu futures before tipoff.

Get beaten badly by KU!

(Note: all fiction on this list. No malice.)

@nuleafjhawk

Where is CBW Cat?

Oh, that’s right, he died in an Xperimental lab accident!!!

How ya gonna gettem to the City, when they been down on Maggie’s farm so long?

Annihilate the Agronomists!!

@Gunman

Yesssss

Sweep out the stalls.

Listen to the morning livestock report.

Windex the cow with the glass side.

Check the rain gauge.

Give the hogs their growth injections.

Prepare to be beaten.

(Note: all non fiction. No affection!)

Beat Willie!

Furrow the Farmers!!!

As many probably recall, I don’t believe conspiracies are required to explain much, so I’m not looking for conspiracy theories, as memed by Intel.

Conspiracies are for suckers.

@lincase

U r right, Self is making a very tough decision.

It could backfire.

But Bill is betting all the marbles on DG.

Conspicuous parallels in timing after reputed long deferments of exposures of both.

things that seem clear • Jan 28, 2018 09:26 PM

People are wondering how Silvio could play some decent minutes on the Canal vs. WVU, but show so little after?

It’s called video.

Opposing coaches have scouted and have their guys take away his best move, and like the highschooler/freshman he is, he is stopped. Self knows it the moment he puts him in. The coaches are giving him a new move to spring on the nest conference opponent. No point wasting it on TAM.

But it’s great news he didn’t foul or turn it over in two minutes. He is following orders and that’s what we need now.

I’m still excited about him being here and buying us some breathing room. He will play against mashers, don’t worry.

Cunliffe and Bill's Messages to Him • Jan 28, 2018 09:16 PM

HighEliteMajor said:

@BeddieKU23 On Newman, I think we saw a kid "get it", the Bill Self way.

PHOF.

@lincase asked why Self played Devonte 40 when up 10?

Self has no credible backup, so he has to help Devonte begin to believe playing 40 is how it’s always going to be; that he can actually do this.

Self probably thinks Devonte is hitting a pain barrier like long distance runners do. He has to convince Devonte he can play 40 the rest of the back nine to get the 14th title and six straight games in March!!!

He cannot do it if he does not believe he can do it. Experience builds confidence and belief in sport. Yes Devonte could burn as most horses do by the third leg of the triple crown. But there is no alternative: Devonte has to think he can go 40 every 2 in 3-4. There is no other path to greatness this year.

Devonte must run the marathon across Thermopylae to save KU basketball. Self just made him understand this is how it must be done. HE must find ways to win when there is no more gas in his tank. HE must answer the call greatness. Few are ever called. All called are the best one has, but still ordinary men (and women).

These are his gallant hours.

No one can do what he must do but him.

Self is asking more of him than any player in Self’s tenure.

He is no longer being asked to lead.

He is being asked to do what most think impossible.

Probably what he might have been thinking was impossible.

Self had him show him it was possible; that he could win when he had nothing left and Doke was out.

But nothing is written.

Frank Mason had a cake walk compared to this.

This will be KU’s finest hour, if Graham can be the Iron Man!

This will make him the greatest KU point guard that ever lived, if he can play 40 mpg the rest of the way,.

This will make him the Lou Gehrig of KU basketball.

This is the reason we keep track of history and play basketball!

To see young men (and women) do things that were thought impossible.

We are not waiting for reinforcements anymore.

We are not holding on to what we have.

We are not saving any more energy.

We are attacking.

And we are attacking with Devonte 40 minutes per and more if needed for overtime.

Every player has a role now that fits them as well as it is going to fit them this season.

Attack now! Attack later. Attack every minute of every game. Attack till we cannot attack and then attack some more. We are sailing up the slot headed for Bougainville and New Britain and New Guinea, with only the knowledge that winning back on THE CANAL means it can be done when we squeeze everything out of everything we have. These are islands full of head hunters, cannibals and swamps unmapped. What we are told in scouts we become less reliable not more. The conditions will become even more hostile than the Canal. We must attack again and again into the unforeseen. Attack till we are victorious owners of an NCAA record 14 straight conference titles.

This is why Self is playing Devonte 40 mpg.

This is a once in a history basketball opportunity.

Self is trying to help Devonte and his team see that if Devonte can play 40, then they can play 37.

He is trying make them see the incomparable opportunity for a place in basketball history.

Look at Self’s face as he prowls the sidelines in contested moments. The old steely ferocity is back. He eased up after The Canal for last preparations for sailing up the Slot. Look at a globe. The history books don’t really tell the story of the hardships of Bougainville and New Britain and New Guinea that all had to be orchestrated boom, boom, boom with Rabaul just beyond them. Halsey got more force and supply, but time was of the essence and he had to spread it thin again at huge risk. The impossible was routine. The combined cost greater. Every landing could have spelled strategic disaster for the Solomons campaign because each was the flank of the other.

My 24- year old lieutenant father, who thought he had come ashore on a cake walk, suddenly found he had no relief, no support, no one to turn to, when the Marines rifle companies ahead crossed an unmapped swamp and engaged an enemy that was not supposed to be that near, got in a fire fight and started running out ammunition and potable water in a stifling jungle that varied between suffocating humidity and torrential rains. monsoon. No mentor. Just an order. “Lieutenant get those goddamn trucks and dozers across that swamp, or two companies of Marines are going to be dead because of you!”

“But how, sir?”

“You are a US Marine, Lieutenant. Act like one. Marines do not ask how. They find a way. Now, you are it, son. No one is coming to save you from down the beach, or from those goddamn Navy ships you are looking at, Lieutenant. It’s on you. Get your warrant officer and get started!! Otherwise you and a lot of other Marines could die here very soon.”

The weight of events falls unfairly.

Someone other than Devonte should have had near the weight of this recruiting shortfall.

But it has come down squarely on his shoulders.

My Dad said it helped to focus on doing what had to be done moment to moment. Never think of the unfairness, or of the improbability of the job.

JUST. FIND. A. WAY.

🏀

Bullet Points on Defeat of TAM • Jan 28, 2018 07:43 PM

kjayhawks said:

In his post game presser Kennedy said he told his guys to foul Doke in the last five minutes, said they didn’t do it hard enough to get the calls. Doke was also fouled on the floor posting up twice, they just weren’t shooting fouls.

Exactly. I should have said no shooting fouls. That was point: Kennedy didn’t put him on the line.

Regarding Kennedy’s comments, that’s exactly what your supposed to say. You don’t say we avoided putting Doke on the line as professional curtesy; that would be giving your enemies wanting you canned raw 🥩.

Bullet Points on Defeat of TAM • Jan 28, 2018 07:30 PM

@Hawk8086

I believe u r right. My thinking was, though implied, not expressed, was that any time a mid pack team like the Aggies falls behind KU by 5 or greater, 1st or 2rd half, they should foul Doke until they close to less than five.

Kennedy did not do this, nor did he ever put Doke on the line, which, since TAM spent much of the game down 10 or more with inferior talent, was essentially sparing Doke an ego shatter and giving KU the game.

I interpret Self taking Doke back out with a 10 point lead, as buying him another game to recover. Sooner or later Kennedy had to foul him intentionally, or not be able to face his players. By waiting, he gave Self a chance gracefully remove him, or so it appeared to me. It was a meaningless scrimmage to work on stuff, not get injured, and not humiate anyone. Classic old coaching fraternity response to the situation, IMHO.

RT For Awareness • Jan 28, 2018 03:39 AM

Just an aside.

FWIW, I would change the title of your post, so that it does not use the acronym RT. iUncle Sam is trying to build a very strong case against Russia Times, which often goes by RT in discussion.

Bullet Points on Defeat of TAM • Jan 28, 2018 01:28 AM

~Doke got almost as many blocks as rebounds.

~Billy Kennedy won coaching credits from Bill Self today. Kennedy elected not to foul Doke even one time. This apparently could not have been a coincidence. Doke's 0 FTAs tells us Kennedy gave Self and his vulnerable young big man some professional curtesy. With Devonte having another dreadful game from the floor (2-11), and Doke fouled up and sitting 18 minutes of the game, Kennedy could easily have put Doke on the line every possession down the stretch and likely have gotten the Aggies close enough to win it. But Kennedy rightly understood that doing so would likely wreck Doke's confidence for the season and make a permanent enemy of Bill Self. This appears the kind of act that Self will recall and pay back some day, or else, maybe Billy was repaying Self for not blowing one of hist teams out in the past, when Self could have. Either way, this appears part of an unwritten code among some coaches. Expect Doke to get plenty of FTAs the rest of the conference season from those that need to beat Self to keep their jobs.

~Svi Mykaliuk has quietly move into position to challenge for the best three point shooting percentage in KU history. Kirk Hinrich and Frank Mason have set the standard very high though, plus maybe some others I don't recall right now. Svi cannot afford a slump. He has to stay hot the rest of the way. I would be so happy for Svi, who has struggled so long and hard at KU, to go out at the top of the mountain.

~LaCobra finally shown signs of exiting his slump.

~Malik Newman continues to fit snugly into his new role as dedicated creator with 15/7 on a cool trey ball night (2-7). That could of shooting would have sent Malik into lost concentration earlier in the season, but today he just played through and played very well.

~Marcus Garrett was the biggest surprise of the game, because he seemed to have had an offensive memory chip re-flashed this week and shot and drove the ball comfortably. Alas, his rebounding chip seems to have been messed with by Chinese intelligence. Best re-flash it this week.

~Mitch Lightfoot filled 16 minutes exactly the way Self wants: he held his fouls down, and made no TOs. In trying to hold down fouls, however, he eliminated his own blocks.

~De Sousa only saw 2 minutes of action. But the good news is he fouled no one and did not turn it over. Next game Self will reward him with 4 minutes.

~Self clearly told his team after the Oklahoma lost something like: "Boys, we are going back to who we are. Sixty Point take what they give us with half the opponents TOs. Keep them in the sixties. Worry less about blocks and strips this game, guard hard, shoot the trey like we can, and K.I.S.S. Doke, fuggedabout Norman. Think next.

And it all worked against an unskilled TAM team.

Cunliffe and Bill's Messages to Him • Jan 27, 2018 12:47 AM

@HighEliteMajor

You make a good case.

Next close game we will know for sure.

My hunch is Doke will be in whenever Self needs to win it with defence and rim protection.

Out when he needs FTs more, and 43% isn’t a high enough probility to get it done. .

I just don’t see how we can take Self seriously on his assertion that he blew the game, when that is so far from his usual MO and logic.

Usually he hangs it on the players big.

And sooner or later Doke is going to shoot back to average. I can see why he bet on Doke and then blamed himself.

Now is not the time to make his only credible post feel like a pile of do-do.

Doke is hardly the first player to have a nightmare game at the line. Wilt had many.

And Phog told Wilt no matter what, you are more important playing even half speed than on the bench.

Doke is not as good as Wilt, but Doke maybe almost as important to this short handed KU Team, as Wilt was to his teams over the year.

I don’t see how KU can be better without him, even at the end when they are fouling him.

Cunliffe and Bill's Messages to Him • Jan 26, 2018 07:57 PM

Self is catching flack for the Doke FT strategy response to Kruger's having an EOB (end of bench player) go in an foul Doke.

Initially, I sided with the crowd and thought he made a mistake, if for no other reason than that it did not pan out for a win.

But with some time to reprocess, I have changed my thinking.

In principle, Self was right as usual. I am pretty sure in hindsight that Self was just taking the heat saying he lost the game to keep it off Doke. Good for him. Self knows Doke missed the FTs and that Self's strategy was sound.

It WAS a good idea to have Doke stand in the corner to incur an intentional foul. Why? Self figure exactly right. If he could get Doke 3 FTAs on a flagrant, Doke making 43% would statistically speaking, make at least one and then Self would get to have Doke in on defense. Clear analysis. Solid tactics to an unusual, but not unheard of situation.

In practice, however, the principle needs a little refinement. I don't think a gambler needs to give Doke 3. 2 would likely be enough in most cases, since he shoots 43%. Next time, I would have Doke remain at the opposite end five feet in front of the basket we are defending to discourage, but not foul a fast break. If they want to pull a man back to foul him at the other end of the floor, fine. We can play 4 on 4 on offense just fine. And it would have to be an intentional foul in back court. Doke shoots 43%; that is nearly 50%, or 1 of 2. It is probably "close enough" to okay to settle for 1 of 2 most of the time in that situation, to have him rim protecting on defense. I often think post men should be kept back in those situations regardless.

I am not sure folks are giving Doke the strokes he deserves for how disciplined he has played in his first season starting. My gosh, most young players struggle mightily just to avoid taking bad shots. Doke almost never takes a bad shot.

And the Doke man has had to learn to guard and offend without fouling immediately, because he has had no credible D1 post men behind him. Mitch is a forward. And Silvio is a high schooler that can barely rotate 4 minutes a half.

Also, I have already forgotten Doke's injury last season. What was it? Was it related directly, or indirectly to his FT mechanics? I mean if that injury that knocked him out for a season hampered his FT mechanics we ought to be cutting him some slack.

The amazing Doke • Jan 26, 2018 05:47 PM

BeddieKU23 said:

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@wissox who has the highest?

Devontae Cacok from UNC Wilmington shot 80% from the field last year. Kid is a beast. This year he's down to 60% since he became their leading scorer. Averages 17 and 13 a game. Last game went for 26 & 24.

Take him as a transfer ASAP.

Cunliffe and Bill's Messages to Him • Jan 26, 2018 05:45 PM

BeddieKU23 said:

HighEliteMajor said:

@BeddieKU23 Somehow I still think we'd still bet the under.

however he seems to be stuck in no man's land until he figures out how to play the way Self wants him too

I have wondered if perhaps he is in the toughening box?

I am hopeful, because the alternative seems like Self may have someone on the line with more stars.

Cunliffe and Bill's Messages to Him • Jan 26, 2018 05:42 PM

"..media lackey..."
--@HighEliteMajor

Not picking nits here, but that might be redundant. :-)

Cunliffe and Bill's Messages to Him • Jan 26, 2018 06:22 AM

Self has said he doesn't think Cunliffe is playing or practicing well.

How does that square with:

“I’ve always been a big believer that you send a bad message to somebody when you don’t have confidence in him."

????

The amazing Doke • Jan 26, 2018 06:15 AM

@Gunman

He would be better off staying, if...

He did not end his career before getting his big contract.

I think at the college level, you have to play for the money, once you can, otherwise why put oneself through such physical abuse, when you could just swim and play tennis and take interesting classes.

Doke would be much better off staying, if there were a guaranty he would not get seriously injured.

But since he has already been seriously injured, its a real risk.

Film/Movies Thread • Jan 26, 2018 06:11 AM

@BShark

Kane is at least an odd film.

But then all of Welles' films are odd.

Without their oddity, they are not compelling.

Welles said his movies are not about what characters say, or the plot.

They are about cinematic experience.

His persisting value is that he set the standard in a couple of his movies for telling the entirety of the story cinematically. No other popular director, except perhaps, Stan Kubrick, or Disney in Fantasia, has ever come close to telling even one film entirely cinematically.

In Citizen Kane there are many scenes where you think you are listening to exposition and conventional plotting but what you are looking at is taking off into the purely cinematic realm of story told through motion, varying depths of focus, modulated lighting in real time, etc.

I believe almost everyone goes through a phase of saying Welles and CK are not quite as important and brilliant as they once appeared to be. But at some point, when one begins to recognize the cinematic lapses and flawed decents into mundane narrative exposition in other great films, one goes back and watches CK and says to one's self: OH. MY. GOD. He did it for a whole movie? Its insane. It something on the scale of Shakespeare sustaining his language for the entirety of Hamlet, or King Lear.

Alas, Welles was a transitional figure in movies that like Charlie Chaplin got caught straddling two eras and two political periods. When he came to Hollywood, the studio system and the drive to make many films and make some great ones still was functioning and a priority. Uncle Sam and the eastern financial underworld still wanted to fill America and the world with American optimism and values through film. Wholesome propaganda to get us ready for going around the world kicking ass and spreading our empire. By the end of his Hollywood years Uncle Sam and the eastern financial underworld had decided that Hollywood was too powerful and crucial to be left in diversified control. So all the mavericks like Bill Hearst, and Joe Kennedy were forced out by the Lookout Mountain Laboratory crowd and the eastern financial underworld, along with all the New Dealers, Communists and Bellamy clubbing national socialists. It was a huge wake clearing that went way beyond Communist witch hunt. Everyone not directly connected to Uncle and the producer oligopoly was run.The idea was to reduce Hollywood to a producer oligopoly subsidized by Uncle Sam's propaganda agenda for the post WWII era. Great artists like John Ford were literally forced to make propaganda westerns as brilliantly as they could.

Welles made the mistake of wearing his New Deal Heart on his sleeve; that was why he made CK in my opinion. It was really not his style of story. But he appeared to have been encouraged to take Hearst on for the New Dealers and the New Dealers were supposed to protect him. But instead, Uncle, taken over by the National Security state crowd from Yale decided to clear their wakes of the New Dealers. Thus Welle's couldn't work for them and he couldn't work for either Hearst, or Kennedy, because he was a New Dealer. He tried a couple of post war efforts, but each one was taken from him and butchered. He needed also needed sound stages and sizable budgets to stay cinematic. The big money was weaning Hollywood off sound stages and big budgets. TV took westerns. Noir and Horror took the low budget production monies. Welles went to Europe and made proto indie films. .What happened to Welles as he peaked in talent and early experience is analogous to what has happened to Self in college basketball. By the time he peaked and was ready to dominate, the system began denying him the players one would have to have to compete with elite schools being given the long stacks. Welles and Self made some great products based on their hamstrung resources. But neither guy was ever going to be allowed to fulfill his promise.

Welles was the greatest cinematic genius of talking films, IMHO, until Kubrick and Kubrick may hit a slump in appreciation.also. One shot in The Stranger of Welles playing chess and the clock tower out the window in reflection is incomparably brilliant and almost a throw off. Welles seemed unable NOT to tell stories cinematically. Kubrick kept two movies cinematic start to finish: 2001 and Clockwork. Welles did it with CK, Ambersons, and most of Touch of Evil. Both Welles and Kubrick appear to have made some compromises with Uncle Sam to get their budgets political permission from the National Security complex.

But Welles only matters if you value cinematic story telling as the highest accomplishment of movies.Many others have made far better stories. John Huston's The Maltese Falcon, The Asphalt Jungle, and The African Queen dwarf anything Welles did narratively. But Huston never tried to be particularly cinematic.

Regarding Sword of Doom, I am mightily respectful of samurai and sword movies skill in making, but except for some of Kurosawa's movies they just don't stay with me. But oh how I love Toshiro Minfune in anything.