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Can Jeff Long Help David Beatty Get Better? • Aug 25, 2018 10:47 PM

Barely beating Nichols State could have occurred under Zenger.

But crushing the Fighting Nicks would be hard evidence that Jeff Long has helped Beaty get better, right?

Won’t it be awesome when Jeff Long improves Beaty to .500 then 10 wins and the a B12 title?

Athletic Directors are so vitally important to developing football coaches.

Wouldnt it be a shame, if Jeff Long never got to show his other reputed gift of being able to hire big time coaches?

I don’t know which to expect, or hope for.

Either way, one of Jeff Logan’s gifts could be under appreciated.

Sigh.

BOLD PREDICTIONS • Aug 25, 2018 06:55 PM

@KUSTEVE

Well then what freshman that has lead a team to a ring would you choose as a fitting precedent. I’m not doubting. Just trying to see how good Grimes has to be as a freshman to make this dog hunt rings.

Urban Meyer given 3 game suspension • Aug 25, 2018 06:00 PM

Who knows? Maybe the guy wasn’t even an IT.
🖖

Urban Meyer given 3 game suspension • Aug 25, 2018 05:57 PM

Many years later after the net had blossomed with bells and whistles, the IT said cluttering discourse threads with graphics is a tell. I’ve never been sure what the IT meant by that. 🖖

Urban Meyer given 3 game suspension • Aug 25, 2018 05:50 PM

An IT with experience in national security gave me some sage wisdom 25 years ago, even before the net had blossomed. It went something like this: never click on a link that you don’t already know something about the funding of.🖖

BOLD PREDICTIONS • Aug 25, 2018 04:51 PM

@KUSTEVE

You are right that if Grimes can play like any other guys that have lead their teams to national titles as freshmen guards, KU is in the chips for sure.

Self could start Vick, or Charlie, or even Dotson at PG, if Grimes were that Magic like player that can take over the game at will any time after having made everyone better before hand.

Do you think Self thinks Quentin Grimes is ready to produce like Magic did his first college season, or like Jordan did his last college season? Well forget Jordan, because he didn’t do it his first varsity season, did he?

I guess that is what you’re suggesting. Grimes is Magic like.

You appear to read Self as saying Grimes is better suited to leading this team’s roster to a ring than Andrew was suited to leading his team to a ring.

Grimes must be pretty GD good NOW!

If this is what you believe Self is really thinking, then I’m in!!!

LAST ONE TO FINAL FOUR TICKETS IS A ROTTEN EGG!!!!

Urban Meyer given 3 game suspension • Aug 25, 2018 04:34 PM

@JayHawkFanToo

Thx for the link, but I’ll pass. See above.

Urban Meyer given 3 game suspension • Aug 25, 2018 04:20 PM

No, I try never to ignore.

I happen to disagree with you and that appears to frustrate you.

In turn you appear to grow antagonized.

It appears you must learn that disagreement is not the same as being ignored, so you won’t feel so frustrated and in turn slide into your apparent reaction formation of antagonism and accusation.

I acknowledge your POV. I thought about it and disagree.

I also appreciate your sense that your comments now seem out of context. I have had the same experience where someone else deleted their comments and mine remained. It happens from time to time in public forum. One just has to man ( or woman, or perhaps alias) up about it and decide whether to leave one’s posts, or delete them, also.

Your most recent response demonstrates why I elected to delete my post and finish responding. I did not anticipate you learning anything further from me, or me learning anything further from you. I anticipated you claiming I was ignoring your point, rather than acknowledging reasoned disagreement. Since I already try not to ignore what posters post, because I mostly come here to learn new insights by shared discourse, I elected to acknowledge my mistake about Kasich’s office, reassert my opinion about the criticality of Trump and Ohio to Trump’s future, and seek out other threads to resume learning from.

I am sorry if my stopping my discussion of this issue hurts your feelings, frustrates you and makes you feel antagonism and a desire to continue trying to make me understand and accept your POV on this issue.

But I just am no longer persuaded I can learn any useful insight from you in this instance on this matter. And that is a right and choice that I Reserve for myself and recommend others Reserve for themselves.

It does not mean I am lowering my opinion of you, or holding you in lower esteem.

I just anticipate I can learn something by engaging in other discourses, both threads you start or participate in, and one’s others start or participate in, whereas I no longer expect I can in this one.

Maybe a lightbulb will go off in my head in the future and I will find a way to learn something more from you on this issue, and I will return to it, but right now nothing is bubbling up in me, and I am not finding your comments and reasoning either informative or persuasive. It doesn’t mean I think less of you, or disrespect you. I just don’t have any more to give on the issue that I think would help you or me get beyond our present point.

This happens from time to time to all of us I suspect. You are not alone.

If it helps your feelings any at all, I hope I am wrong about Kasich and Ohio being critical to Trump, because if they were, then I fear he would be forced out of the White House before the next election and I think, regardless of my POV on Trump’s problematic agenda in some regards, that would be bad for the republic in the future.

Alternatively, if Trump finds a way with coal strategy to bring Ohio around, I hope President Trump recalls (and learns from) some of the less than optimal consequences flowing from President Lincoln once upon a time engaging the rail, coal and oil interests of Ohio in early staffing and waging of the US Civil War.

Rock Chalk!

Can Jeff Long Help David Beatty Get Better? • Aug 25, 2018 01:26 AM

Fans appear very enthused about Jeff Long’s ability to turn KU football around. Who thinks Long can elevate Beaty to being the coach everyone hoped Beaty would be? Can athletic directors make coaches “get better” the way coaches can make players get better? Or the way good bosses can enhance the productivity of employees? If ADs can’t make coaches get better, why hasn’t Long fired him immediately?

Urban Meyer given 3 game suspension • Aug 24, 2018 09:02 PM

@JayHawkFanToo

No malice or mischief on my part. Recall failed me on Kasich being governor, instead of Senator, as you helpfully noted; but that seemed to make you draw an IMO too broad conclusion that that faulty premise invalidated the rest of my speculation that Kasich and Ohio would prove politically pivotal for Trump downstream.

Initially, I thought I would further explain my speculation about the importance of Kasich and certain influential Ohio Republicans not aligned with Trump partly in terms of their long running feud with Trump posted about by CBS News August 22, 2018, which noted that: a.) they have an intense feud; and b.) Trump and supporters had carved Kasich’s close ally out of state party leadership, after the election. I also intended to explore other factors, as part of my broader speculation about Kasich and Ohio’s criticality to Trump regarding IMPEACHMENT WARS and re-election, if Trump survives impeachment efforts. But then part way through I noticed your second response and it appeared you were unlikely to look beyond my initial error and that made me lose interest in doing further leg work and writing on the issue, especially about Ohio coal reserves, the incomplete North American super corridor (and the apparent schism between Bush Trans Party allies and Rockefeller trans party allies), and a similar schism over the Trans Eurasian super corridors that Trump and his base and his occassionally conflicted allies, the Kochs, seem to be wedging themselves between for reasons no doubt complicated, while the Ohio Democratic Party seems likely to try to exploit the rift, also. But your second response, plus my desire not to leave my incomplete speculations to be misunderstood, or misrepresented, by others, lead me to choose deletion as the most expedient resolution. I then briefly as possible re-asserted the essence of my speculation, as acknowledgement of having read your posts, since I infer you prefer short posts and began other activities. Hope this helps.

FWIW, I hope President Trump is not railroaded out of office due to some apparently political and corrupt motivations of his opponents, even though I strongly oppose his accelerated drone warfare (which he accelerates from Obama), pro torture restoration (which he restores from Bush-Cheney), and his environmental degradation policies (which he restores and accelerates from Bush-Cheney). At the same time, if President Trump were guilty of compromising elections, by collusion with Russia, or Israel, or both, or of authorizing crimes against humanity, or of shielding pedo- and narco-trafficking by allies/cronies) I would want our wheels of justice to process him more effectively than seemed to occur with Nixon, Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2, and Obama, especially regarding reputed crimes against humanity and reputed pedo rings.

But be all that as it may, Ohio Republican Party and business interests have a history of being a critical factor for Republican Presidents. And Governor Kasich, because of Ohio Republican interests that back him, and his ire toward Trump, remains an unexploded land mine for Trump on his trek through the dark forest of IMPEACHMENT WARS.

Rock Chalk!

Urban Meyer given 3 game suspension • Aug 24, 2018 10:49 AM

As always, thanks for catching my memory lapse; this time on Governor Kasich’s official title. If you really believe Kasich and Ohio won’t be pivotal to Trump fortunes in his looming ordeal, I’ve got a deal for you on swamp land in the Tarim Basin.

Trump is now a cork in a tempest. ANYTHING could happen to him until the Rockefellers decide how to use him. He has run to the skirts of the Rockefellers in West Virginia and Ohio after initially being guided by their Point Man, Hank the K. Nixon all over again.

Whatever, it will likely involve them settling a lot of scores at home and abroad that have accrued, since trans Eurasian super corridors got built without them and the North American super corridor remains to be finished.

Won’t be pretty, as certain members of Trump’s base are likely learning.

MEMBERSHIP HAS IT'S PRIVILEGES • Aug 24, 2018 02:38 AM

@KUSTEVE

Under sovereign private oligarchy ANYTHING is possible, even in college basketball.

Presidents and leakers can be assassinated without consequences.

$30 Trillion can go missing at the Pentagon without consequences.

Elections can be stolen without consequences.

Foundations can be used as bribery covers without consequences.

Millions of innocents can be stampeded into weaponized refugee vectors without consequences.

Pedophile rings can operate without consequences.

Addictive drugs can be dumped without consequences.

Nation states can be sacked and looted without consequences.

Torture prisons can be operated 18 years without consequences.

Is it any wonder a two tiered transfer rule can exist in D1?

MEMBERSHIP HAS IT'S PRIVILEGES • Aug 24, 2018 02:25 AM

kjayhawks said:

This is excalty why I believe nothing will come of the FBI probe. The NCAA will do nothing to ever harm the big money machine that is the ACC and SEC. We’ve seen the loop holes for football players being paid and basketball players taking fake classes, basketball assistants being child molesters. As long as the NCAA is around those conferences will be able to as they wish with no consequences. Coach K could shoot his wife and coach from jail with no issues.

PHOF

Sounds like one of those histories that would have little connection to the present.

WRONG.

This is like a Rosetta Stone for understanding the dynamics of declining civilization and its eclipse by warring factions slowly being bound together by religion and magic.

You will not look at Europe the same again, or our present empire being enveloped in warring factions and reemerging religion and magic.

Urban Meyer given 3 game suspension • Aug 23, 2018 07:49 PM

@kjayhawks

Appearances suggest at least one possible interpretation (among several): Urban Meyer appears to have been given 3 week vacation for reputed degenerate behavior to keep him from having to answer obvious questions in public, while University counsel perhaps works out a deal with a confidentiality clause with involved persons to avoid court. But again that’s only one possible interpretation. He could also be being misrepresented.

Regardless of what may really be going down, this “discipline” also appears to suggest TPTB lack confidence that everyone in MSM would be willing to swap future access for not asking obvious questions the next three weeks.

Further disillusionment with college sports.

It will be interesting to see if this OSU situation leads to falling dominoes as happened at MSU, and if there are otherwise unrelated scholars at OSU engaged in producing research embarrassing the security-industrial complex in Washington, as was the case at MSU, where a professor had just documented the misaccounted for $20-30 Trillion at Pentagon since 1998, or so.

Like Michigan, Ohio is a crucial state to control for midterms and next Prez election. Regime change is probably sought by many in both states.

Part of regime change reputedly sometimes involves getting control of a state’s major Federal pork conduit—one or both of it’s big state universities.

The athletic department is reputedly a great backdoor to regime changing the major Federal pork conduit aka university quickly.

Time will tell.

P.S.: Ohio Republican Senator John Kasich is a strong critic of President Trump, a likely pro impeachment vote, and a possible challenger for Trump, if The Deep State is unsuccessful in overthrowing President Trump. Grabbing control of OSU to position to undermine Kasich might be seen as effective political strategy by some hard ball players on both sides not smitten with Kasich. Also, since President Trump has pretty clearly committed to a “coal strategy” to gain support and anti-impeachment votes in coal rich states, one logically recalls Ohio, like West Virginia, Pennsylvania, Missouri, and Kansas has hefty coal reserves to open up to far more mining. Thus OSU and Ohio regime change could be being pursued by both pro Trumpers seeking to enable coal mining and by anti Trumpers trying to drive Kasich’s seat and Ohio back to Democrats. In other words, this Meyer issue could be part of a larger regime change play.

40 minutes of hell • Aug 23, 2018 07:21 PM

@BShark

Bill tends to like teams this time of year, if the team is mostly a mix of young players and returning but first year starters and first year load bearers. He is trying to build up the inexperienced confidences about their abilities to measure up to new roles. He also tends in this situation to hype what certain players are likely capable of, when he is desperate for them to produce at a high level and uncertain if they will. Classic coaching strokes for those inexperienced about to receive baptism by fire. When the team is full of guys that have already proven they can handle the loads to come, he combats their overconfidence with skepticism and hand wringing.

40 minutes of hell • Aug 23, 2018 06:41 PM

To remaster the obvious, unless Self refuses to use his 5-6 D1 grade bigs for 2 or 3 front court slots, this team is definitionally sharply unbalanced to paint. It’s speciousness, or willed blindness, to suggest otherwise.

If Self arbitrarily reduces this team of 5-6 bigs to a best seven man rotation with a 2 big rotation, then KU will have no more effective depth than any other 7 man rotation team. And KU will not really be any more flush with talent against elite teams than any other elite team, and will likely have inferior 3pt shooting; this is NOT a recipe for a ring.

And if Self goes instead to three bigs with a six big rotation (presumably Dedrick at 3), and two perimeter slots, unless one big and at most only 2-3 perimeter guys are 40 % trifectates, then he becomes even more vulnerable to a team with 4-6 >39% trifectates.

We have entered the three point, high trey volume era, whether Nova’s 6 trifectates were anomalous or not.

We are likely to encounter 4-5 trifectate, high, trey volume teams during regular season, almost certainly during the Carney, when apparent seeding and whistle asymmetries will further hamper us, especially with this cockamamie new Gavitt NET biasing technique replacing RPI.

3>2 will work against us, unless 4 guys transform into high volume > 39% trifectates. What is the reasonable probability of this team of six bigs and several career sub 40% trifectates, even in high school developing 4 >39%, high volume capable, trifectates?

Not trying to wet blanket anyone.

Trying to trigger analysis that yields feasible probable solutions.

Trying to win in the three point era with fewer >39% three point shooters on the floor at any given time than opponents, and more bigs is kind of like trying to win the WWII Pacific campaign by responding to Pearl Harbor (what Villa Nova was last season) with more battle ships and even fewer aircraft carriers and fewer land based long range bombers than your enemy. Note: it’s okay to add new battleships but you HAVE to add carriers and long rang bombers!

Self needs at least 4 > 39% shooters to really leverage his surplus of bigs. Otherwise he will just get dragged into 3>2 sooner or later in the Carney. Name the four.

Name the four likely >39% trifectates starting 3 bigs and so exploiting the surplus of bigs.

Name the four likely >39% trifectates starting 2 bigs and squandering the surplus in bigs.

RIP RPI, NET is here • Aug 23, 2018 12:04 PM

@stoptheflop

Fabulous point about including academics!!

PHOF

40 minutes of hell • Aug 23, 2018 11:47 AM

@jayhawk-007

Very good read. Thanks for putting in the work.

Here is the looming problem, however.

This team, like last year’s team, is not well balanced.

Last year’s team was perimeter heavy; this year’s team is paint heavy.

These sorts of asymmetries between front and back courts lead a coach into a suboptimal choice in strategy.

If a coach schemes his team’s play toward where he has the most numbers, it over relies on that kind of game and so heightens the risk of meeting and losing to a team stacked asymmetrically the other way, or almost guaranties a loss to a team even stronger than the team’s strength.

Conversely, if a coach schemes to balance, despite an unbalanced distribution of talent, then he is squandering his advantage in numbers (this season Self has lots of bigs) in say the front court and exposing his lack of numbers and high percentage shooters outside.

Thus, a team needs either to be supremely balanced to ensure the ability to meet and beat any kind of team it faces, OR...

The team needs to be so awesomely dominant in say the front court that neither a hot trey team can beat it from outside, nor a balanced team can beat it from both inside and out, nor an inside team with better bigs is able to come along and beat its strength.

KU with 5-6 credible D1 bigs certainly verges on the overwhelmingly dominant front court team, BUT...

Last year, anyway, 3pt dominance trumped all comers in the case of NOVA.

It is not yet clear to me how front court dominance can trump 3 point dominance, BECAUSE...

Bottom line, 3>2.

Some argue some combination of great defense, rebounding and scoring efficiency can beat a team like Nova last season, but I am not yet persuaded.

Perhaps there will be no team like Nova this season. But most successful teams are copied quickly. And Nova did what it did with only two players ranked higher than Top 75, if I recall correctly. So it seems possible, even likely, that THERE MAY BE MORE NOVA LIKE TEAMS THIS SEASON, not none.

So I see a problem.

BOLD PREDICTIONS • Aug 23, 2018 11:10 AM

dylans said:

@KUSTEVE I really hope Dok has worked on his weakside help defense this offseason. It would be monumental if he lives up to his defensive potiental.

Copy and paste.

BOLD PREDICTIONS • Aug 23, 2018 11:09 AM

@KUSTEVE

Great news about Ded!

I was pretty happy with KU’s success against teams that dared zone us last season with so many good outside shooters and players coached to score in the seams when the trey line was too overguarded.

Cant wait to see Ded IRON-ize zones this season!

RIP RPI, NET is here • Aug 23, 2018 10:56 AM

mayjay said:

@JayHawkFanToo Let me help--she was making a good natured joke. Think "typo" and read her post carefully. Way too much anger on the Board!

——————

Brother you can count me out of your take that there is “Way too much anger on the Board!”

I am feeling blissful.

Generally, I find most posters here happily entertained, upbeat, and warm and compassionate—much more so than paid protesters, apparently controlled movements like ATIFA, talking heads on MSM, shills/embeds, and so on.

We really appear anomalously happy and content and warmly compassionate here at our KU Basketball-centric web site administrated by the esteemed @approxinfinity .

Rock Chalk to all we happy, loving, compassionate Jayhawk basketball fans and board rats at KUBuckets.com awaiting yet another wonderful KU basketball season.

RIP RPI, NET is here • Aug 22, 2018 08:07 PM

Call NET the NCAA E.S.T. TOOL.

They must think we are all tools.

RIP RPI, NET is here • Aug 22, 2018 08:03 PM

@BeddieKU23

This equals the light at the end of the tunnel being an EST freight train.

“...using the results of past tournaments will help ensure that the rankings are built on an objective source of truth.”

The results of prior tournaments appear the result of seeding and whistle bias.

Thus this insipid approach institutes the prior season’s seeding and whistle bias.

Dan Gavitt needs to go.

No EST guy should be allowed within 100 miles of seeding influence.

Coach's say KU " The Team " • Aug 22, 2018 07:54 PM

Three point shooting deficiency.

Three point shooting deficiency.

Three point shooting deficiency.

Three point shooting deficiency.

Three point shooting deficiency.

No proven PG.

No proven PG.

No proven PG.

No proven PG.

No proven PG.

No proven PG.

Finally, name the last team to win the national championship with a starting center making <50% of his free throws?

Otherwise we have a lot of good players that will be fun to watch develop.

Mollie Tibbetts case has sad ending • Aug 22, 2018 07:29 PM

@approxinfinity

One of the most insidious parts of oppression and then victimization of individuals, groups, or nations is that it makes so many begin to self limit their goals to within the box oppression builds for us.

Why did John Lennon have to be killed by an apparently mind controlled assassin with the legend of an obsessed lone gunmen?

Because he sang about what was not merely possible, but actually feasible.

He added an explanation that the enforcers of the private oligarchy really did not want the public to recognize, or think was feasible to get away with having said.

John said go ahead, imagine what you want; that apparently angered the shit out of those already in control of the explanations.

This puzzled me for many years. Lennon was already long past his great influence. It was very improbable the lightening of mega popularity would strike twice. The Deep State can stop popularity by denying mainstream distribution any time.

Then it occurred to me.

Lennon had seen through the oppression game. It’s a set of obstacles and misrepresentations intended to make the oppressed embrace victim hood as the only feasible path.

It makes them self-limit the possible.

Lennon wrote songs (created an entertainment) that outflanked the oppression game, same as Gandhi built a resistance philosophy that did.

Same as Lincoln built a republican government that out flanked the oppression games being played by the private oligarchies of North and South.

Anyone that restores a nation’s capacity to focus on what is best for itself, instead of on limiting itself to accepting what is best for its private oligarchy is apparently best murdered, when ever feasible, from the POV of the oppressing private oligarchy.

Put another way, oppression works by focusing us on the problems, not on our best interest.

The oppression game is a very clever way of getting us to focus on our problems rather than on what we want and should have.

Everyone should be free, well fed, well housed, have any needed medicines, feel safe, get equal justice, have their votes counted, live under representatives trying to serve their constituencies best interests, be prosperous, enjoy life and live as they wish, so long as they hurt no one.

They shouldn’t be settling for a victim’s franchise.

There, that was easy.

Any government, firm, or person that doubts the feasibility of persons best interests is oppressive and part of the problem.

The oppression game makes us willing consent to the unfeasibility of our best interests.

Our best interests are feasible.

Always have been.

Always will be.

Imagine that.

Mollie Tibbetts case has sad ending • Aug 22, 2018 04:19 PM

How to reduce murder:

Jobs with living wage that can support two head household in a house with two bathrooms;

Outlaw use of advertising and propaganda aimed at divide and conquer;

Educate both for job skills and appreciation of art, beauty and freedom;

Regulate and encourage huge domestic firm and job expansion with environmental constraints;

Give persons hope and voting and democratically responsive government, not victimhood;

Justice and rule of law;

Upward mobility;

Encourage creativity;

Reward hard work.

Fewer innocents will be murdered than any amount of cops and surveillance and weapon confiscation can prevent the murder of.

Look at UK. They deny guns, so knife stabbing and knife deaths sky rocket.

I used to support gun confiscation. I still think it would help, but now realize the only reason it’s being promoted by TPTB is to ready the nation for totalitarian subjugation. The Rich always will afford massively weaponized body guards with weappnconfiscationlaws tailored to arm the rich, and so I can no longer buy into weapon confiscation law further subjugating ordinary citizens that should be afforded the same self protection as the rich.

BOLD PREDICTIONS • Aug 22, 2018 03:39 PM

drgnslayr said:

@jaybate-1.0

I believe this is where Self is probably under-appreciated as a coach.

He left the door open to Vick. He gave him a second chance. This is what Self is all about... his players!

Self checks his ego at the door and focuses on life for his players. This may be his strongest quality as a coach! He mentors players!

I'm not putting expectations on Vick this year. It's all up to him. The sky is the limit, but only Vick can decide his outcome.

And I hope Vick knows Jayhawk fans are there for him, too! No one has given up on him!
————————

This should be on the mast head of this site.

In the Boothe Hall.

On the wall of the practice locker room.

At the base of his statue next to Forrest one day.

You have come as near the heart of why I am a KU BASKETBALL fan as I can come here.

Self is a hard man.

He has a relentless needle.

He can finesse most six ways from Sunday.

He puts players in the most difficult out-of-position situations imaginable.

He can be too stubborn.

He can refuse to ever play the deserving and hard working, if another player under another scheme can take the team’s and program’s potential to be their best even a micron more.

He can cut any player, crony, or friend loose, if the team, or program would be better off.

But my how unsparingly fair the man is!!!

My how far he will go for players that he believes the team and program needs.

My how he enables them to get better.

My how he helps those with the necessary talents that commit fully to the team grow in every way possible!!!

My how he does not let TPTB bully him, or break him.

My what resilience he has.

My how willing he is to introduce players to the harsh reality that the world of the have nots faces routine unfairness all the way to the top and survives and excels on commitment and hardwork and synergies of team.

My how he walks the talk that he can’t coach want to and basics after year 1 and that players have to take responsibility.

And my how he gives those giving it everything they’ve got second chances.

But no third chances.

If you can’t learn from mistakes, you may as well not come to Kansas.

Self will drive you till you make them, so you CAN learn from them.

But fail to learn from mistakes and you lack the criterion he looks for and insists on.

Self is clearly annoyed with and finally unwilling to support those that will not learn from mistakes. He realizes some insights and skills take more reps than others to acquire, but in the end Self is a mentor teaching players a hard lesson that is deeply true in life: get better, or get gone.

It results in some players—some jerks, but all some really good guys—that he decides he cannot and will not help. It’s tragic to watch, but there is a tragic dimension to life, whether we like it or not. It is only bearable to watch, because Self does appear to give players their shot. It may not be as big of a shot as we wish, or think some players deserve, but it’s a shot, and in this cold cruel world, how lucky one is to get any shot at all.

(Note: Sam Cunliffe was right. They did not see eye to eye and that’s enough. They were men about it and I am sure they will be men about it. Self could have queered his shot in Evansville and apparently didn’t. Life is about getting and making the most of shots that come along. It takes lots of shots.)

But it has been amazing how many Self HAS helped!!! How many guys no other elite program sniffed at that Self gave a shot and created the conditions for a shot and getting better. Frank Mason is the most successful example, but a guy like Conner Teahan was just as remarkable at a lower level of ceiling. He hung around and hung around as a shooter and then miraculously contributed as a scrambling, indispensible sixth man to a team even shallower than Frank’s that went even deeper than Frank’s. Conner Teahan, when no one but Self believed in him, came to a team’s and a coach’s rescue and enabled it to make a run at a ring all the way to the second half against one of the greatest NCAA teams of all time in 2012. Conner and Frank were just two of many of these improbable successes that Self’s mentoring and development enable. There are many more.

It has been amazing how many guys that did and didn’t pass the eye tests that Self has helped become unexpectedly well rounded contributors to fine teams and helped mature into apparently more well-rounded, effective human beings in the years after; and that is for me the difference between just a winner, and a great coach.

Self is a great coach, at a very tough time to be one.

Go, Bill, go!!!!

BOLD PREDICTIONS • Aug 22, 2018 03:46 AM

@drgnslayr

Vick is a long shot cuz he left for a time.

You’re right about whatever happens with Vick coming down to whether he can develop unity of purpose and get comfortable with mates. His basketball future depends on NOW! He might not be up to the challenge, or Self might not trust him.

But bottom line he has less to learn than anyone but Charlie, and he’s 6-2 or so, not 5-9.

BOLD PREDICTIONS • Aug 22, 2018 03:41 AM

@KUSTEVE

I have always liked the idea of point forward, since Bird showed it could be done from 4.

Magic was at times a point forward, depending on who Riles ran with him on the perimeter in LA.

If Dedrick can run the car, give HIM the keys!!!

BOLD PREDICTIONS • Aug 21, 2018 05:45 PM

@drgnslayr

Of all of KU’s domestiques-both those like Frank and Tyshawn, without high school PG experience, and with it, like Elijah, and Devonte, and Sherron, Vick was most I’ll-suited to the mental flexibility required of the domestique 2 guard role. It was a super challenge for Vick to learn all the other jobs and help roles, and focus on going to iron every possession. The very aspects of Vick’s personal struggles last season are what could make him such a terrific PG with every game MUA on both ends all the way to the finals.

Most are questioning his handles, as they questioned Tyshawn’s. There would be similar growing pains if Vick were given the keys for sure, but there are going to be even bigger growing pains (or structural deficiencies) with all the other PG candidates; that is what everyone is underestimating.

Vick only has to work on his handles. The rest of his game is Final Four tested. The rest of the candidates have vastly more too learn on both ends than Vick does. Further, I suspect his handles only looked limited, because he was being asked to do so much other than handle than he had ever had to before.

All but Devonte among the domestique 2s have struggled with handles juggling at times the diversity of roles of the domestique 2. Except for 5-9 (non KU inches) Charlie, the rest of the point guard candidates have never started for a single season in D1. Marcus Garrett looked more deficient handling the ball last season than Vick. Grimes and Dotson have never played a second, when Blue Meanies were smashing them at D1 speeds. Who knows about their D1 handles? Really, Grimes and Dotson as freshman should be grateful if Self keeps them out of PG duty unless, it’s cup cake time. Garrett at PG? Are people vacationing in OREGON and spending all their time at the stores with green cross flags? Garrett couldn’t really sustain starting at any non PG slot last season. Board rats are just not remembering that starting at PG in highschool is not a free pass to start at PG in D1! And don’t even get me started on the freshmans’ learning curves on defense at point guard.

All of which brings us to Charlie. He has actually played PG for a season. Thus he merits consideration for starting, or backing up. But he is going to be 5-9 on defense every second he is on the floor? Is Charlie an explosive leaper and an unparalleled tough nut like Frank? Can he shoot like Frank? Can he anticipate on defense like Frank? Is the NBA going to find a slot for Charlie, as it has for Frank? Can Charlie bring 3/4s of what Frank and Devonte brought for 30-40 38 minute games? That’s what KU needs from short PGs even just to make good runs in March. Can Charlie seriously step in and meet or beat Frank, because short PGs at KU come up against future NBA PGs inevitably in March. Is everyone positive Charlie can hold his own against guys like KU’s recent point guards and ones drafted higher from UK, Duke, UNC, etc.?

Really, the more I look at Self’s options at PG, the more I think he has to gamble on developing Vick into 20 mpg at PG MINIMUM, if Self wants more than a conference title. It’s scary, because it would be unconventional and Vick doesn’t pass the eye test.

But Vick is the only PG candidate that is an athletic freak with back court FF experience, very good D, decent protection, and a potential 40% trey, ready this season.

I say swing for the ring and rely on 6 bigs an Grimes at 2/3 to cover up Vick’s learning curve.

BOLD PREDICTIONS • Aug 21, 2018 04:58 PM

@KUSTEVE

Back at you, he never has played point same as Frank hadn’t. But he did exactly what Tyshawn, Elijah, Frank and Devonte did the year before each took over the point. It’s just a fact.

BOLD PREDICTIONS • Aug 21, 2018 05:46 AM

@JayHawkFanToo

KU inches.

Next.

What did Vick do all last season, while Devonte was resting on the floor? Did KU somehow magically operate on mental telepathy from Devonte, or Self?

Next.

Why do you persist in this antic endeavor of pretending Vick was not doing the domestique 2 guard role same as Devonte did and same as Frank did before taking over the point? Are you really trying to make yourself think he didn’t? Why? It’s such an odd thing to try to make yourself think—such an odd disconnect. Vick has on the job training and grooming of the kind that Frank, a 2 in high school, and Devonte a 1 in high school, received the years before they took over the point. Heck, add Tyshawn. Add Elijah. You appear waaaaaaaaaay out there on this. “Aw, how does it feel, with no direction home, like a rollin’ Stone...” It feels a little strange to me, but I want to be as supportive as I can be. It’s the off season after all.

Abolish the Presidency! • Aug 21, 2018 05:38 AM

@justanotherfan

I favor returning to/moving forward to free, sovereign American politicians and their individual corruptions that checks and balances were designed to limit, and to jettisoning the current compromised career politicians controlled by a private oligarchy and reputedly embedded Deep State the Constitution was not designed to function with or constrain.

This can be done quickly by ending unlimited contributions and requiring politicians spend time in prison for profiting in any way from their service.

There. That was easy.

But they won’t willingly go along with this, will they?

Term limits are unnecessary and probably even undesirable. A free sovereign individual must choose how many times he wishes to run and free sovereign individual voters are quite up to deciding how many times re-election makes sense, if there votes are counted and propaganda and psy-ops are not permitted.

Compromised career politicians have apparently looted and bankrupted our country, egregiously conditioned almost the entirety of our Bill of Rights and adopted torture prisons and conditioned habeaus corpus for nearly 20 years. The only major disgraces they have not yet perpetrated are: mass internment’s; and capitulation to a foreign occupation, as the French Republic shamefully did the latter in the darkest early days of WWII. America’s career legislators since 1980 especially have frankly a despicable record and we should be horse whipped for tolerating it, had Groucho Marx ever found a horse to whip us with.

I don’t see how any non career politicians could have done worse than our actual, reputedly compromised career politicians serving as apparent lackeys of an oligarchy, as President Carter now calls us.

IMHO, a free sovereign American nation stands a much greater chance of legislating constructively than our current compromised apparent lackeys, whose experience and expertise appears often limited to using secrecy, misdirection, and fear mongering about “enemies” to justify continued looting, droning, pork, and knocking over of foreign countries.

At this point, I would much prefer to take my chances with ordinary Americans than the most experienced and savvy, but compromised and controlled career politician the oligarchy and its Deep State can select.

The country needs to dedicate a channel’s worth of public band width for politicians to campaign on for free. No more stinking paid ads on commercial TV. Each candidate receives equal time and there is no state censorship of candidates on the campaign network. Commercial bandwidth should be re-regulated to be commercial only. No campaigning. Vast campaign monies will simply be made unnecessary and outlawed.

Political campaign speech on a public campaign channel will be far freer than it is now on commercial TV. It will be unconditioned by the need for raising vast monies and prostituting one self to the high bidder. Some internet bandwidth can be set aside also.

America is facing nothing insurmountable here at all.

It’s actually quite like a memorable scene in Brian DePalma’s and David Mamet’s The Untouchables, when Sean Connery’s weary beat cop schools Kevin Coster’s new to Chicago Eliot Ness.

“Mr. Ness, everyone knows where the booze is,” says the weary beat cop. “It’s behind that red door. The question is: who is willing to walk through that door.”

In the end the beat cop, who teaches Ness the Chicago way is finally found savagely murdered by the Capone mob for “ratting out” a crooked cop “for all the shit that he had done” to try to get Capone.

Choking in his own blood, he clutches Ness’ hand and wheezes desperately, “What...are ya...prepared...to do?!!!

America has gotten into these situations where corruption has overtaken the body politic a few times in her history.

It’s never pretty when the nation tries to retake its sovereignty from crooks.

Crooks never meekly give up the political machine they have spent many decades building up, corrupting and coopting for mega profits.

Rock Chalk!

Cards Against Humanity Survey • Aug 20, 2018 10:15 PM

Gotta be very sceptical of surveying these days unless you know the funding behind the sampling organization and they explain exact steps taken to randomize, and exactly what universe the sample refers to, as well as tests for multicollinearity and confidence levels. Also have to look for bias in questions used. Surveying appears increasinglyngly weaponized. Can’t even reputedly trust a lot of peer reviewed stuff in major journals, according to some editors of some major journals. TPTB were losing control of the explanations, so they appear to have decided to poison the well of information as much as possible.

“Whips and Chains Between the Goal Lines” is the marketing tag line being used.

5,000 Unsold season tickets were offered in the promotion.

For an extra $50/seat fans wearing latex spanking pants will be given riding crop “treatments” at each stopping of the clock by ushers dressed in femme don and homme dom outfits.

Special hot wax nipple drips will be given with each purchase of a 50 Shades of Grey frosty malt.

KU Yell Leaders promise a special sado masochistic cheer for the section during half time.

(Attention: tickets for the seats sold out in 90 seconds. Sorry.)

(Note: All fiction. No malice.)

BOLD PREDICTIONS • Aug 20, 2018 09:07 PM

JayHawkFanToo said:

@jaybate-1.0

We must have watched different games. :smile:

More to the point, why would Coach Self play Vick at the PG when he has 4 player, 5 if you count K. J., that have proven they can play PG? Is not like he need to groom Vick for next season, right?

We watched the same games. You’re just struggling squaring what you saw with what you want to believe. 😀

Outside of avoiding OAD blow back, why would Self start anyone but Vick, who is the only one with even intermittent experience running the team for 30+ games and a deep run in the Carney giving Devonte 5-10 mpg on floor rests?

If it weren’t for recruiting blowback risk with putting Dotson behind Vick (or anyone else), we prolly wouldn’t even be having this discussion.

Remember how long it has taken UK OAD 1s to get the hang of D1 running Cal’s high school offense? And you’re not saying the 5-11 Dotson is the equivalent of John Wall, or the other UK OAD 1s, right? Or are you? In any case, there is a little more to Self ball than hop, skip and jump at UK.

Why do you insist on putting this crazy level of expectation and responsibility on Dotson. He’s a good recruit deserving of a chance to develop. Cut him some slack.

For Self to start and play Dotson 30-35 mpg this season, it looks like Self would have to kiss his conference title run goodbye.

Best case for Dotson seems a 20/20 split with Charlie.

But man, why settle for that when you can have a proven D1 guy Self has been grooming for PG for 2-3 years for 30-40 mpg? Except for his funk stretch, Vick was often almost as much of a man of steel as Devonte.

I just don’t see any logic in your thinking here at all. And I’ve tried hard to see what you might be thinking.

Not saying Self won’t compromise and go the 20/20 with Charlie and Dotson to avoid OAD blowback and play just to win another conference title, while hoping 6 bigs lets him foul and defend his way to 30+ Ws.

Saying I can’t find even a micron fiber’s width shred of logic to your position.

No offense though.

Just saying, as you like to just say.

😀

How to get the local government's attention • Aug 20, 2018 08:27 PM

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How to get the local government's attention • Aug 20, 2018 08:25 PM

@JayHawkFanToo

Oh, and you would also have to nationalize, or diversify, US private central bank ownership, while disengaging from Bank of International Settlements, too.

The main thing would be to end 3 fortune control of the Fed via the Fed Advisory Board veto. The Fed advisory board dominated by the NY branch has always been the Trojan Horse that Paul Warburg instituted to keep the Fed controlled by the controlling share owners of the NY fed branch in his Quixotic quest for one world government backed by one world bank. The same controlling share holders of NY branch have reputedly existed, since 1913 enabling act: Rockefeller, Morgan, Mellon. Sweet deal that lets them print money and spend it on their agenda. Over time, they win by wearing down opponents by vastly greater spending. No secret or conspiracy here. All above board.

The point is enormous fiat monies have been printed and spent and enormous wars have been fought with that fiat money to make sure private oligarchic financialism always eventually compromises all popular, non compliant states, especially representative ones with popular vote schemes of election.

Anyone that thinks voting alone under present constraints can sustainably restore our functioning republic from the private oligarchy President Carter says it has become is either somewhat underinformed, or perhaps disingenuous. There have always been a bunch of controlled apologists for the eclipse of the republic by private oligarchic rule.

Voting can help. It occasionally introduces short term inintended consequences the ruling private oligarchy has to sick its Deep State on, and spend a bunch of untraceable fiat monies on to stamp out. But voting appears no longer enough to produce voter-responsive elected leaders , if it ever were since the 1913 Fed enabling legislation. Those with the money and Intel means to compromise elected officials, bureaucrats and think tanks increasingly appear to prevail, especially recently. Trump with a majority in both houses and a majority on the court can’t even get his government staffed. It’s pathetic, really.

It increasingly appears nothing short of the changes I have outlined will likely liberate USA from its present apparent private oligarchic rule largely overriding voter feedback.

And I haven’t even taken on the reinstitution needed to deal with the security-industrial complex and it’s $1 Trillion annual budget and misaccounted for $20-30 Trillion that rises dizzyingly each minute with interest.

So: these changes I have outlined are quite improbable until the present private oligarchy becomes so threatened by the Shanghai Security Pact’s erection of the trans Eurasian super corridors and establishment of trans Eurasian grain and energy bourses in non Anglo-American central bank reserve currencies, that the private oligarchy has to willingly agree to re-subordinate itself to our republic and to yet another NEW DEAL of sorts to get the public to sacrifice the blood necessary to save the private central bankers from their own folly of having gutted the original New Deal and having subordinated our beloved republic in the first place. Greedy, selfish and brazen fools they were.

Next.

How to get the local government's attention • Aug 20, 2018 07:24 PM

JayHawkFanToo said:

Best way of getting their attention is to vote the bums out of office. Too bad we don’t use it as often as we should.

—————

What you dream could never happen of course, until campaign contributions are rationally reinstituted to eliminate the buying of elections with MK Ultra and Advertising/PR techniques of voter mind control and every one with a working brain and not on the spook dole gets this.

It’s so simple really. To vote the bums out, limit campaign contributions to $1 per free American as defined by the US Constitution prior to1867 constitution incorporation (lose the citizen as state property of the sovereign government and reset to free Americans of a sovereign nation), and $.01 per corporation and the corporation has to have taxable revenue over $1 Billion. Instant end of election buying by private oligarchy and its producer oligopoly corporations and controlled 5 holding company MSM, because the Deep State would quickly be rooted out and the MSM ownership would quickly diversify. So flipping easy. Could be done in a few years; that’s why the private oligarchy lspends so lavishly to obscure the remedy and distract and identity politic the public.

Every candidate elected would shortly be the one promising and delivering on what the majority of free Americans want done.

Are you strong enough to be MY private oligarchy? as Sheryl Crow might sing.

BOLD PREDICTIONS • Aug 20, 2018 03:28 PM

@KUSTEVE

5 star/OADs have to be given 20mpg and start, or there is recruiting blowback downstream, so Dotson WILL likely get 20 mpg somewhere. It’s a much bigger step to 30-35 mpg with the keys. Odds are he won’t make that next step, unless he is an OAD type, or willing to commit to two seasons. Self has to groom someone for PG for the following season, as he always does, by either giving him 15-20 mpg, as a backup PG, or by starting him as a domestique at the two.

BOLD PREDICTIONS • Aug 20, 2018 03:19 PM

@JayHawkFanToo

Vick rested Graham during play many times a game, same as Devonte used to do for Frank. Vick also initiated from wing point, same as Devonte used to do for Frank. Next.

BOLD PREDICTIONS • Aug 20, 2018 07:56 AM

@JayHawkFanToo

The trouble is Garrett isn’t ready for the keys, he’s not an option developmentally.

Dotson probably won’t be ready for the keys all season either, unless he’s more special than Devonte, Frank, Tyshawn, Elijah, Sherron, Chalmers and RussRob. The chance of Dotson being better than all those guys, since he is not penciled as an OAD, seems slim.

This brings us back to Vick and Charlie. Charlie is an orthodox choice that has played a year of D1 and matured a year sitting. But Charlie is just no where near the athlete, defender, driver, or 3 pt shooter that Vick is.

Vick has the experience of backing up Devonte at PG and of sharing bringing the ball up on a Final Four team. He was clearly being groomed for PG duty, until he apparently failed to commit and Self signed Dotson.

Vick at PG is who you swing for the fence with—who you risk everything on at PG to hold MUA at PG every game of the tourney to try to win a ring.

Charlie is who you compromise with hoping Dotson will mature into a solid, very talented 20 mpg backup to Charlie (like Sherron was for RussRobb) and hope Grimes and Vick make 39% from trey and you ride your bigs. It’s the conservative play unless Grimes, Doke, and Dedrick are a murderers row like Chalmers/Rush/Shady. Dotson also has to be willing to stay a second season to make it work also.

A perimeter of PG Vick, 3 Grimes, and 2 Garrett/Dotson would be unstoppable in D1. It would likely hold MUA every game at all spots.

Rings or titles?

Which does Self want to play for?

BOLD PREDICTIONS • Aug 20, 2018 05:23 AM

@approxinfinity

We are both doing some envelope stretching.

It could be Charlie at PG, because of chemistry, orthodoxy, years remaining at KU, and Self being able to go two deep at both the wing spots with Charlie and Dotson at point.

But Self has a history of breaking from orthodoxy to get a scheme that gets his best 5 on the floor and his best 7 in March. It all depends on whether his best five can mesh via unorthodoxy and play best, or whether an orthodox 5 with less ability can play best?

Self will surely explore both paths, because he just has not shown a willingness to go long bench with an 8-10 man rotation in March, even when he has had that kind of depth in the past.

He will long bench through February to keep everyone happy, but the close games against good teams will reveal which 5 and 7 will the path decided on for March.

BOLD PREDICTIONS • Aug 19, 2018 11:02 PM

@KUSTEVE

Then there’s no way Dotson will be good enough to start and Self really only signed 1 OAD.

I’m ok with that assessment. Garrett might likely start ahead of him.

Vick still da man for me at pg.

Abolish the Presidency! • Aug 19, 2018 10:58 PM

@approxinfinity

The Presidency is currently so hamstrung by the Intel-Deep State complex that there is no need to abolish the Chief executive. Let’s abolish the Intel-Deep State complex exactly as John Kennedy was preparing to do before they reputedly whacked him.

A duly elected President keeping his promises without being hamstrung by the Intel-Deep State is the way to give the biggest stick to Americans wanting to be free and self-governing again.

Being citizen property of a private oligarchy that operates through an embedded deep state with access to all of our national secrets we free Americans are denied sucks!!

Abolish the Intel-Deep State complex!!!

I’m comfy with mil int.

Or else let’s make both Intel and Deep State elected offices.

More democracy is the antidote to predatory unelected power.

BOLD PREDICTIONS • Aug 19, 2018 08:13 PM

@KUSTEVE

Garrett would be a good investment at point because he will be at KU for two years. Vick, Grimes and Dotson will all be gone in one. But he is at least a year away developmentwise. So: it still comes down to choosing between Grimes, Dotson and Vick for a starting PG to get the best 5 for stArters. I could see Garrett bumping Dotson one season at non PG

How to get the local government's attention • Aug 19, 2018 04:29 PM

@approxinfinity

Good for those Revolution-averse Canadians.

But in the rough and tumble of post 2016 election America, they would be investigated and reported on by 16 of 17 US Intel agencies (NSA conspicuously left out) for being possible transportation terrorists and if any had a connection to supporting Trump would be called before Mueller and be pressured into turning state’s witness and alleging Trump colluded with Putin on either the tomato plant, or the potting soil. Along the way HRC would blame her loss on the tomato planting stunt and deflect questions about the Clinton Foundation. Then the reputedly Deep State controlled media would report that a new Christopher Steele dossier would claim that Trump had laid down by the flourishing tomato plant in a Steve Bannon induced stunt and begged the Canadian transportation terrorists to golden rain on a prostrate Trump groping 39 women rolling in muddy potting soil in the middle of the street!!! Finally, John Brennan would, after a contract extension with his apparently anti-Trump network, allege Trump was treasonously involved with the tomato 🍅 planting terrorists with deep connections to a Russian-American Gardening NGO that Rachel Maddow, NYT and WAPO first assure was really a Putin directed spy organization, and then, when that allegation were refuted, allege Trump used the N BOMB at a White Nationalist rally held on top of Trump Tower last night!!! All of the above would be bubble filtered through Fox. And Lou Dobbs would be outraged, while Anderson Cooper at CNN would reputedly re-apply for CIA training.

Oh, and NOONE would mention that the allegations could have been confirmed or refuted by review of the NSA intercepts and satellite images from the git-go.

(Note: all fiction. No malice.)

BOLD PREDICTIONS • Aug 19, 2018 03:03 PM

@KUSTEVE

Great news about Garrett’s driving. He was kind of a blank slate waiting to be written on offensively. KU’s staff has a good record of finding ways for guys to offend that helps both them and the team. Occasional failures but mostly successes.

Controversial Hunch: Vick still being sharply underestimated. Self had him playing the domestique role last season and he got in a funk about it, but played the role well when positive. Guys that have done this role for Self as underclassmen have tended to have large senior seasons, even despite stormy stretches of impatient youth the next to last season. Look at it this way: Vick started and did pretty much everything one can do for a team as domestique for a Final Four team. He is a gifted athlete who has been in the toughening box. He has had an off season to work on his dribbling. Self may play OADs so as to get more OADs, but Self could give the keys to the Ferrari to Vick and know he could run LeMans and win. You know Self. He can play Charlie and Garrett with Dotson and Grimes, or he can play Vick 30, who has started in a Final Four with them, and rotate Garrett with known defense and a drive for 20 and rotate Charlie for all of them to keep ball handling as needed.

I see a starting perimeter of Vick, Grimes and Dotson if Dotson can handle D1 speed and violence, else Garrett.

I know folks doubt Vick’s dribbling/passing at point, but he is the best perimeter player on the team and, like Tyshawn once upon a time, offers an unparalleled MUA in athleticism/height/speed tradeoff in D1.

If Self can believe in Vick’s Head, which is probably hard for Self, Self has a championship perimeter to go with his flock of six bigs.

I believe Self, the river boat gambler, as Slayr calls him, will let it all ride on Vick at point to start. Even if Vick crapped out early, it would buy development time for the newbies.

Vick is ripe for the role.

And Self tends to try to scheme to get his five most talented guys that are sufficiently developed on the floor as starters.

Vick is one of those three perimeter guys out of the gate.

Self has to ride him, or spend a season with every guy on the team knowing the team could be better.

Self won’t let that happen.

Self’s only viable alternative is to give the keys to Grimes or Dotson and pray for instant maturity (and low TOS), which even Mario Chalmers, Josh Jackson, and Josh Selby lacked to be given the keys as frosh, and let Vick play the wing.

Don’t see Self doing this first half season except for development stretches against weak teams.

Vick fails the eye test for many, because he looks a little crazed with the stare and the hair. He also looked a little awkward ball handling, because he was obviously more overwhelmed doing all the chores than was Devonte before him, who made domestique look so easy Devonte’s junior season.

But I argue that, except for Vick’s funk (and its a rare KU player that doesn’t have one under Self’s relentless needle) and short trey slump, Vick did the domestique role as well, or better, than Devonte otherwise.

Vick is a right tail character, if you will. Most fans hate uniqueness, when it comes down to point guards. They will tolerate and even relish freaks elsewhere, but they want the eye test passed at point. Fans struggled with Tyshawn and Elijah, because both failed the eye test and legacy expectation of how the position “should” be played. They over focused on both those players’ traditional deficiencies and underestimated the benefits of their unorthodoxies.

But here is the proof in the pudding. KU crapped out in March with eye test orthodoxies, like Devonte and Frank, same as it crapped out with eye test unorthodoxies, like Tyshawn and Elijah.

I grew up with racial eye tests that said you couldnt start five blacks and win a ring. You couldn’t start a black point guard unless he was super human like Oscar Robertson. I grew up with eye tests saying Magic was too tall for point guard. I grew up with eye tests saying Bird couldn’t make it in the NBA because he was white and couldn’t jump.

I. DON’T. BELIEVE. IN. EYE. TESTS.

Vick is like many unorthodox talents. His flaws are used as evidence he cannot get better and do what his team needs.

This team needs Vick to lead it AND be point guard to become the best team it can be, or else Vick needs to have the greatest season a KU wing ever had and pray Grimes or Dotson can mature and protect and distribute instantly. No one else can make KU as good as Vick at point could make it.

Most are sure Vick can’t do it, same as most were sure Tyshawn and Elijah couldn’t do it. But Tyshawn and Elijah both led KU to titles and post season, same as Frank and Devonte did.

Vick da man!

He is about to learn what real loneliness is. He thinks being viewed as weird is bad. He thinks not being accepted is bad.

But just ask Devonte, or Frank, or Tyshawn, or Elijah, or Sherron, or Marcus, or Brandon, or anyone given the keys, when KU is down 14 with ten to go on an opponent’s floor and no teammate can hit shit, or find a weakness in his match up, or stop their best guy. Ask them how lonely it is when you take the ball and begin the long grind back everyone doubts can be made. Ask them how lonely it is when you come up short and have to face the reporters and your teammates are all showering and your coach’s eyes are saying: it’s on you dude. You wanted the keys. I can’t play for you. It’s your team. Find a way to make it work—to make them believe again.

Queen of soul • Aug 18, 2018 06:21 PM

@DanR

King was Queen of the song.

Aretha was Queen of the voice.