Ring time!
jaybate 1.0
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Flat out best game report by any of us ever!!!!!!
The pro journos would be envious of what you turned out that looked so effortless and flowed so well.
Lucky us for having you at the game!!!!
@kjayhawks and @HighEliteMajor
Maybe, but....
Remember Syracuse, the masters of the 2-3. The Syracuse zone never deforms to a 2-1-2 or a box and 1, no matter what the offense does. The baseline 3 of the Syracuse 2-3 is almost inviolable.
Self was hat-rabbiting again.
As @Crimsonblue22 noted, Self said after ASU he was looking at match up zone tactics. And Self rarely just adopts ad hoc. He takes it to a system level.
Self has never hated zone. He has hated the zone that does not mask where and who the defenders will help. He hates a zone defense that lets an opponent easily attack away from his best defenders. He hates a zone that poses no recognition problem.
M2M enables him to mask where help will come from. Zone doesnât. Self views defense through the lens of masked help.
This is why Self has used the junk 3-2 so much. It is mistakable for M2M. It doesnât let you pull his bigs out and it doesnât let you know which of his bigs will be guarding your big.
The morphing zone solves all the problems.
2-1-2: letâs the 1 occasionally play man and chase, or play zone. The opponent cannot recognize which he will do.
2-3 into 2-1-2. The offense thinks the seems will be at FT line, but then the middle man on baseline fills that seam. If Shaka were to play this morphing zone with Bamba they would be much tougher.
My guess is at some point we will see him morph the 2-1-2 into the 1-3-1 and back again.
THIS SO POTENTIALLY FLIPPING COOL I AM HAVING A HOOPSGASM!!!!
Whereâs my cigarette?!
I donât think we will see this every game, same as we did not see junk zone every game, but the recognition problems it causes could really help protect Dokeâs foiling and give Lightfoot a little edge, when subbing.
AsadZ said:
@HighEliteMajor Some great commentary here. I was fortunate to be at this game. I'd like to make one comment about Mohamed Bamba. I have never seen a kid with such incredible blocking skills. The kid is only a freshman, he was an absolute load to handle and looks very smooth for a Freshman. He is a better shot blocker than Jeff W. I don't see very many teams winning at TX, if we were not hot from 3 point line KU would have lost this game as we had no answer for Bamba.
Imagine Bamba with 50 more pounds, which is going to happen naturally.
Bamba is as incredible a prospect as Embiidâmaybe even better. Insanely good!
Azuibuke is turning into something marvelous too.
Azuibuke and Bamba in the same conference make the B12 the toughest conference in the country to win, regardless of the cupcake preconference schedule.
By March, sans injury, Bamba and Azuibuke are going to dominate college basketball. Add WVU and TCU and the B12 in February is going to be an absolute bloodbath of survival combat. I now see why Self is talking about a winner having 5 Losses as feasible. I didnât see Bamba and Azuibuke developing this fast.
KUSTEVE said:
@jaybate-1.0 When Texas went to the zone, I absolutely loved the Vick pass to Svi in the corner. This wasn't Washington, where Vick looked really confused what to do in the middle of that zone. The second Vick got the ball in the middle, he instantly whipped the ball to Svi, which was a wide open 3. Now that is growth.
||| it was an act of beauty!! Houston, we have learning!!! AND thatâs one of the great joys of being a fan, tooâgetting to the point of being able to see and share these kinds of learning moments by players and teams. Getting better is the greatest feeling in the world. Itâs why we keep getting up in the morning instead of shooting ourselves.
Itâs why THE WEEK OF GETTING BETTER between SEMESTERS is so sacred and thrilling to me. I thank Self for teaching me the week of getting better more than anything else but the 83% W&L and the ring.
And did u see Svi shaking Malikâs hand and meaning it after the free throw down the stretch, even though Malik bone headed and forgot we were playing the clock?!!! Malik isnât out of the woods yet. Republics and individuals arenât rebuilt in a day. But by god him playing that game with his bell rung and enabling the team to win it with Sviâs last shot; THAT is the stuff thatâs teams are made from!!!! Svi saw past the head case to the human being that is like him underneath!!! And Malik finally did something OTHER than shoot (which is what he is supposed to do) that the other guys can point to and say: heâs not just a head caseâheâs really one of us gutting it out in the trenches!!
It was all beautiful!
And Self was finally fiery at long last!!
Go, Bill, go!!!!
Shaka is showing his limitations by mis-using Bamba.
EVERYTHING should be focused on him.
They should be running all 2-2-1 zone press with him as anchor, NOT 1-2-1-1. Really wasting Bamba in a 1-2-1-1 zone. Wooden proved long ago with great big men that you want a symmetrical zone up front that slows the ball progress, minimizes break throughs, lets the big man both rest, and âseeâ the play develop to maximize his anticipation for any break through.
A 1-2-1-1 is the WORST zone for Bamba to play!!! It encourages fast pace, lots of long passing. Almost every possession IS a break through. Worse still, properly played, the 1-2-1-1 requires the back-most player (which should be Bamba) to run like hell to half court to trap for full effect!
The 1-2-1-1 is designed for each defender to pinch/trap sideline-baseline, then sideline line, then sideline-midcourt line. After each trap, the back side (non trapper) man races madly back into a passing lane beyond the trap, while the two trappers, after the passout, then race madly back to half court and position for another trap. The 1-1 players rush forward in series for the next two traps if two more traps occur, and forward players fall back to fill the 1-1 players slots. Thus, played correctly, either Bamba is pulled away from the basket for near mid court traps, or Bamba stays near the basket, but in the latter scenario the press is already broken and the offense is coming helterskelter and Bamba is exposed to numbers and fouling and lack of anticipation.
What a dope Shaka is to be playing 1-2-1-1 full court with a great center, at either 1-1 position. The 2-2-1 feeds the slowed down break to the 1 player (Bamba) with plenty of time to anticipate and commit under control, and also grab the rebound and release a cherry pick pass.
If he insists on using 1-2-1-1 with Bamba it should only be 3/4 court to slow tempo, as Self has used it some.
Smart got the Ts because he knew he was being out coached, but couldnât understand how. He needs to study and steal from Self instead of trying to beat Self with Shakaâs system. Iâm picking on Smart, because he could be a great coach, if he would open up his head and learn. He has an opportunity for a post doc from Self and instead he is trying to prove a guy with a ring, 13 straight titles, and 83% W&L can be beaten by his system. Wake the intercourse up, Shaka, before youâre gone! Your players love you. You work hard. You can needle and praise. You love the game. You have charisma and presence. Youâve got the processor speed. Youâre like Frank Martin, only youâre not LEARNING from Self the way Frank decided to do. All you gotta do is open up your head and let it all Rush in! Self is a savant. And he loves coaches and the profession. He canât help helping persons get better. Itâs what he does. Itâs all he does!!! He is THE GET-BETTERNATOR!!!! Itâs obvious he thinks you could be good, and that youâre a character, same as he thought of Frank Martin, when everyone else thought Frankie was just a jerk. But youâve got to open up!!!
Shaka should probably be shit-canned just for this waste of Bamba!
And Bamba? What was he thinking not coming to KU, UK, Duke, or UNC, where coaches knew how to coach such a potentially great big man?!!!! Someone needs to wake him up, too.
It is a crime against basketball humanity for such a marvelous big man prospect to play for Shaka in Austin, until Shaka and Bamba wake up. Off rhyming names isnât a good enough reason to play for a coach! This is like sending Wilt Chamberlain to Wyoming. Outrageous! I hate this recruiting system!!!
I smell the foul odor of dump truck exhaust trying to stack a team to stop Self instead of doing whatâs best for Bamba and basketball!!!!
Rock Chalk!
Imagine Vick watching Oscar Robertson feeds all off season and next year backing PGs down in isolations for about 10 game winning buckets next season to lead us to our 15th consecutive title!!!
If Udokaâs back gives out, Self may have him doing it this season.
LaCobra is a weapon that has barely been tapped still.
approxinfinity said:
Also funny how Vick gets a us a quiet 21 on 5 of 8 from 3 and I just remember DT and Svi shooting threes with the exception of a super athletic contested catch and shoot from a dead sprint in the corner from Vick. I would not be surprised if Vick ends up with an NBA career. Wait til he shows up at the combine and people wonder who this kid who averaged 16 for Kansas is with a 40% trey gun and they watch him jump out the building.
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LaCobra is quietly turning into a star. This guy can REALLY play. He is a GREAT complement for both Devonte and Vick. He is doing an impressively diversified job and not losing that killer edge he has by thinking too much. Heâs wing. Heâs wing point. Heâs baseline. He shoots outside. He oops inside. Heâs high post. He puts it on the deck. He walks. He talks. He crawls on his belly like a reptile!! Come one, come all! Step right up, step right up! See the incredible Omni-directional Hyper Morphing Baller Man!!!!
I really, really, REALLY like how Vick is playing.
Next season he may supernova at point, too!!!!!
Crimsonorblue22 said:
Post game Self said Doke was game time decision w/back problems? Malik has a bad foot, think itâs been an on going problem. I know Doke fell really hard on that over the back foul, 2nd half.
Oh hell!!! Not another great center prospect with back problems. He looked so good! Thx for heads up.
My high school team used to run that 1-2-1-1 press Texas ran. Yours may have too. Texas ran it full court challenging the entry pass and trapping immediately in the corners. In recent years some teams, including KU, have run it 3/4 court just to slow tempo and get offenses to initiate farther out in half court. It can have differing effects. Texas played it to disrupt immediately. It makes opponents look disrupted and hurried, but KU broke it exactly the way we were taught to break it, too. I trust you and HEM, so I will keep a closer eye on the press passing next time we see one, and we likely willânot just from WVUâfrom long bench teams trying to tire our short bench team. But again, it looked text book đ to me the way we were breaking it.
Regarding WVU, they will add more muscling to the pressing and they will vary between full and 3/4 application. Canât recall if they are all 1-2-1-1, or 2-2-1, or man, or some of each, but they have given us recognition issues in the past.
Speaking of recognition, it seems that lesser teams defending elite teams running key 1 and 2 year players in rotations SHOULD emphasize varied defenses and varied âappearancesâ of defenses that spike recognition situations to exploit the new players unfamiliarity with such.
Very rare to see a ref get mad enough to start following a coach.
Shaka and Wiggins(?) need counseling!
After I recovered from the shock of seeing Self use a 2-1-2 zone in half court, that zone appeared to begin morphing!
2-1-2 became 2-3.
2-3 became 2-1-2.
2-1-2 became 4 and 1 (aka box and 1).
Self may have found yet another innovation!!!
The switching zone defence.
It wreaked havoc with Texas. They could not recognize the zone morphing during a single possession!
I think Bill has got something new here.
Swell summary/analysis, as usual.
Agree with take on Doke. His footwork looked super, especially against the best shot blocker since Withey. Doke didnât let the blocks screw with his head. Fine game by Doke. Frankly, if we had another center to back him up, Doke would muscle Bamba on both ends and likely neutralize Bamba.
Malik? The guy just flat refused to play the clock until 1:30 to go. Malik was single handedly responsible for how close it got.
Garrett? I just donât see him replacing Malik unless Malik has a melt down, which he might. I agree that something seems to be going on beneath the surface. Re: Garrett, he seemed very tentative to meâmore so than prior games.
Vick, Svi, Doke all played very well. Devonte was exceptional. Malik had some good stretches.
When this quintet shows up making treys they are tough to beat.
@HawkChamp and @Blown
Iâm with you two. Press breaking was good. It looked a little rough on pass ins, because thatâs the nature of a full court positioning of a 1-2-1-1 press. But KU kept slipping that first pass into the center of the 1-2 and that is where itâs supposed to go. Then you pass sideline to mid court, then diagonal cross court and set up.
YESSSS!
The next three games are Guadalcanal, Tulagi and Florida islandsâall necessary to hold Guadalcanal and establish the foothold for moving up the conference slot. We are going ashore with the old double Enders and the obsolete Wildcats flying coverâthe new Higgins boats and Hellcats (Preston, DeSousa) are not yet availableâbut weâre going ashore just the same, because the enemy wonât wait and neither can we. D-Day. H-Hour soon. Weapons getting cleaned and sighted as I write. Extra dry tube socks getting stufffed in the backpacks. Last texts, posts, and tweets being sent to loved ones and friends.
Itâs going to be a dirty fight today. Itâs not clear who will win the first battle, but we are bringing everything we have on hand because we need the W badly. Things havenât gone even as well as the record suggests, but the maligned one, the one we thought might have been too selfish, Malik Newman, sacrificed and turned the tide at Coral Sea. We defended with Long odds at Midway and escaped by the skin of our teeth shortly after. But this is when we go on the offensive and try take some real estate, small though it seems today. In fact, itâs crucial today.
The fight will take twists and turns. But we need to win now, or our lines of communication will be cut off before there is a later, if we donât.
Self will have put in some wrinkles and given the boys the harsh truth. Itâs all on you today. No one else can do this but us and it has to be done now.
Away all boats!!!!
We need her today for good luck. Like the pinup on the old WWII Subs.
Long odds are depressing, until doubt is shed, mission imminence focuses purpose, the inept are ignored, can do leaders are listened too, tasks, no matter how daunting are assigned, and heroic young men are ordered to find the enemy first, surprise him again and again, and a path to total victory is found.
These are the gallant hours.
Selfâs Halsey moment is at hand.
Coach K, Roy, Cal and others have faced these moments and failed.
Self faces his ultimate man-up moment.
These are the Solomons.
Long odds are part of all true greatness.
Donât fear long odds.
Fear not doing your jobs.
These young men on this short bench are getting ready to do the impossible, after the difficult of pre conference.
Itâs very near h-hour.
The final preparations of the week of getting better are being made.
What ever can sail will sail.
Whatever can fly will fly.
Every man carries a rifle now, even the cook.
Only the enemiesâ weaknesses will be attacked.
There arenât resources for attacking strengths.
Island hop.
Flank.
But ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK!
Preston playing this season? 1 in 10,000,000
De Sousa helps us before February 28th? 1 in 100
Devonte averages 15 FGAs the rest of the season? 1 in 1
Vick scores 30 in a game? 1 in 2
Newman dishes assist to Svi? 1 in 500
Svi starts driving it for short treys? 1-4
Azuibuke makes a trey? 1 in infinity
Azuibuke goes off for 30? 1 in 10
Azuibuke clears 20 caroms. 1 in 50
Garrett makes a trey? 1 in 500
Lightfoot backs a blue meanie down and dunks on his grill? 1 in 10,000
Cunliffe holds Trae Young to single digit scoring? 1 in 20,000
Clay Young dunks twice in a game? 1 in a Graham Number
Teahan makes a game winner? 0
Self says: Preston plays tonight? Hell forms an ice cap and Satan palms a snow ball without it melting
Iâm not so sure about 18-0.
That could trigger NCAA to penalize us for Preston practicing. That would leave us 0-18.
Maybe 17-1?
If the stat packers say the B12 is đ, and the fake sports newswers say the B 12 is đ; then the answer is obvious.
Betting is out of balance and the fake newsers are just serving their masters, as usual.
Extra, Extra, Extra! Read all about it! Big 12 is way down. Come and balance the betting now!!! Extra, Extra, Extra!!!!
(Shaking head)
Never give a sucker an even break!
Listen to the coach.
Iâd settle for 5 mitchâs And 5 OADs.đ
Thx for the Dunkirk rec. I have wondered about it.
I expect things will get rolling shortly and heroism by players and circumstance will inspire one!
Great shooting point guards have tended to be the toughest challenge for KUâs help defense during Selfâs tenure. Great shooting point guards TEND to beat KU, whereas great bigs and wings tend to lose to KU.
Why?
Self can use everyone to surprise bigs with endless variations of help and that reduces their efficiency. On the back end of a two in three set that is very tough to prepare a team to offend against.
Great wings you just push out three feet farther and their 3pta percentage declines proportionally, while you take more short treys.
But a good shooting point guard, as Sherron and Frank have proved, and as Devonte has shown a few times already, can make u pay big time with driveânâdish and fouls if you force them out. Leave a great shooter alone and they kill you. Remember the Michigan PG? Ugh!!! Thus fine PGs on a good night are probably Selfâs toughest out and so he blows smoke about stretch fours that go off but that he finds ways to beat just the same.
You can put a Trae Young any where, point, wing point, even base line (for quick come out and initiate, something Jack Hartman did a little with Walt Frazier at SIU), and he hurts you and makes stops almost impossible.
But remember how all Great point guards look the first time they see something new? Human. Stopping a PG is a recognition game.
Remember what Izzy did to Sherron one game? It was beautifully simple. He brought his high post out to force Sherron to his weak hand. Self never adjusted. Sherron was stopped cold for a full half. Sweet.
Lon knows Self so well, because they are both Okie Ballers, that Lon will be able to prep Trae for most of what Self will try defensively. Thus, Self WILL have to come up with a wrinkle for Trae.
At the same time, Self has the perfect weapon to preoccupy Trae on defense: Devonte and the weave.
KU should attack Trey Young for stretches of 3-4 straight possessions, then look inside for Doke the 5th possession and drive Svi, then back to attack Trae 4 possessions on the weave.
Why on the weave? The point of the weave is to force Trae to switch onto Vick or Newman and then overpower Trae on the drive. PGâs feel persecuted after guarding guys with 3-4 inches on them. They love attacking big guys, but only the most strong willed donât hate guarding bigger guys. And Trae will likely never have experienced this at D1 levels of speed, strength and skill.
Weave for size edge and drive Trae to iron again and again and he WILL crack. Then let Devonte finish him off with Treys.
In turn Traeâs offense will suffer for sure. Put him down hard a time or two as well. Anyone can be cracked. ANYONE!
But can Self still come up with a new defensive wrinkle at Selfâs age? Marlon Brando said we all only have so many faces in our pockets to pull out for the Audience. At some point youâve got nothing new to use.
Go, Bill, go!!!!
Major copy and paste
Not sayinâ he wonât go off.
Sayinâ he will probably not be experienced enough to keep from being fooled some.
Regardless, if Self canât get Preston and De Sousa in play, Lon could probably beat us without Trae!
Yea, got them switched.
So, I will have to retract the post and just say: it would be nice to sweep them.:-)
I stuck up for him for awhile, because he put it to us with less once. But now he has been mediocre at Baja Oklahoma and been rewarded with a Dump Truck player he didnât appear to earn and it really irks me!!!
Trae has not played against blue meanies yet.
We will see how he holds up against WVU.
He also has never had to think about a defense yet. Ku will make him think.
Blue meanies and their forearm smashes, plus thinking about where defensive help will come from and are they in man or a junk zone are the test of young big men.
I never bet on a young big coping well the first time in a big game. A few do, but not most.
The probability is both Huggins AND Self will reduce Trae to Deuce the first meetings.
Was Joel matched with Kanter? If yes, then Joel doesnât have enough defensive pride yet.
One thing to remember about comparing Mitch and Traylor is that Traylor was much more explosive his first two years, and with leg injuries less so his third season and his last season his pop was almost completely gone after the first third of the season. My hunch is his blocks per minute went down over time. If Mitch were to stay healthy, he would likely make a much, much bigger contribution his last two seasons, that Jamari, given the strengthening up that Mitch seems to be in the process of. Traylor was a stud from the start and skill acquisition is much tougher. Strength and weight gain come if you work hard. Tyrel Reed and Svi are the best proto types to use to project a model of what will happen to Mitch, assuming no major injury in year 3. In year 3 he will just be starting to play all facets of the game adequately; then year 4 he will take on a crucial role in the team. Reed was bitchinâ shooting his 3rd year, but he really became a man year 4âso good he was better on an operable bone spur that knocked from 46% to 37% or from trey, than any body else healthy and early in their development cycles. The same has been true with Svi. He shot over 40% las season, but heâs a man now, even though his shooting is suffering from having to play 4. Neither Vick nor Newman could even do what Svi is doing this seasonâplaying the 4âwithout their offense disappearing. Neither would be ready emotionally or physically for the increased beating at the 4. Svi is barely holding it together right now. If Svi were cruising at the 2 or 3, right now, he would be shooting 42% from trey, maybe 45%. But he is thinking way to much about banging with the big dogs to focus fully on his trifecta. But I digress.
Mitch is not showing much of even his raw capabilities, because he is thinking through the 5. Itâs frankly amazing he can do it at all.
Heâll be a good sub at 4 next season but he wonât be a man till the year after that.
He just has to keep working and hope he stays healthy till year 4.
I am with you on this.
I am not concerned about Dump Truck Trae Young.
I am concerned about whether our guys are ready to help, and mask, and switch in and out of our M2M and our junk zones to beat Texas, while Dump Truck Trae gets his 28.
If ever there were a coach that would not sign a Trae Young without a Dump Truck contract, itâs Shaka.
Hangâem. Hang âem high!
This would be a great year to sweep Tayhoss just to help get Shaka a job at a more fitting level, say, at Marist, or Iona, or School of the Hair-Challenged Templars, or Mid Central Virginia AI & GMOs, or the Hollywood Blue Deviants.
Itâs time for Baja Oklahoma to stop the on-the-job Peter Principle training program for Atlantic Ten Smart, or wherever he came from, and hire one of Selfâs assistants!!!
But back or no back, he is putting the NBA on notice that it has been fooling itself with the players it has been claiming were post men in recent years.
For any youngsters out there, Embiid is showing how a REAL post man plays and how he changes the game and all opponents.
Embiid is a man playing against boy post men.
Until the game begins to develop bigs again, Embiid will have the game to himself the same way George Mikan did.
Big men change every dynamic of the game.
His back may stop him one day, but until then heâs is going to mop up the pencil necks.
And itâs a good thing for the NBA. Itâs been embarrassing what happened to the L the last 5 years or so. Itâs been like watching âvalue engineeredâ basketball being sold by the hype machine as the real thing.
Thx 4 posting these pics.
They make a few things clear.
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Subbing for Doke, or playing beside Doke, makes him look smaller than he is.
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He can get up!
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His upper arms appear a lot stronger up close than they do on TV.
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He has a pixie face but a manâs body that will likely top out around 220 one day.
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He is a 4 forced into playing 5.
What is not to like?
He is 6-8 and 210 and in his first season of trying not to be eaten alive, when he was projected probably not to be a major contributor till year 3 or 4.
He is giving the team what Traylor gave the team his first year or two: exploding for blocks and guarding. Most block are stops. Stops are good. For any block there are two alters, maybe more.
Saying the team needs something it does not have is not to denigrate what it does have. The team will still need Mitch if it adds Preston and De Sousa.
Rock Chalk!
It taught us when SKYNET comes along, regardless of who sets it loose, a hero has to fight to protect virtue, sometimes die doing it, and take elements of SKYNET and turn those against SKYNET and crush it mercilessly. đ
I am fascinated by the AI in chess devising unprecedented attacks, not just more probable variations on prexisting attacks.
It would be amazing to see what unprecedented sets and actions might be conceived for basketball.
Talk about giving us all something new to learn all the time.
Lulufulu said:
@jaybate-1.0 Dude, KU will be so deep next year that there is bound to be some attrition next season. Guards, bigs, all deep at every spot. Not a bad problem to have considering how short we've been last year and this year. But I always hate to see any Jayhawk leave the team.
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Soooooo hope it works out as you expect. But I just have to see it happen once to believe it.
@approxinfinity and et al,
Back at you, @approx, and to each and every one of the KUBucketeers that make each season a new learning experience and so leaves us better KU fans.
Christmas is a great gift to the world.
Believe.
(@KUSTEVE triggered my grey matter to come up with the following by his comment to me in another thread about Self perhaps trying a 4 point guard offense some time in the future. Imagination is triggered by interaction. Borges said thought is a labyrinth. But it has its stunning moments of clarity, also.)
I just read a grand master of chess say that an artificial intelligence computer (AI) has recently throttled all human challengers and, more importantly, has evolved sets of moves that have never been tried by humans that any chess historians know of. Sorry, but a footnote escapes me right now.
Anyway, it made me wonder if it is time for KU to pioneer basketball's next frontier of introduction of AI to augment existing strategies?
AI is clearly going to radically alter most, if not all, realms of human strategic activity, not just chess and war. Just between us, the bizarre politics of today, are almost certainly trickle down strategies from national security strategic research with game theory and AI. KU might as well get on with it in basketball. If KU pioneers it, KU will almost certainly win several rings before others adapt.
What do others think?
Sorry I missed it. Thx for calling my attention to it. 4 point guards would certainly optimize the quadruple weave we see flashes of. No innovation is out of the question with Self if it builds off his basketball principles and can be executed with sound fundamentals by players he has around at that moment. I chose 3 PGs and a stretch 4, because Self has said so many times that the Stretch 4 is the hardest thing to guard in all of college basketball. The stretch 4 allows a fourth outside shooter, a fourth man in the weave, and all of the double post rotations the High-Low enables. But I trust he would go to a 4 point guard perimeter, if he did not have a stretch 4 and instead found himself with 4 point guards. It is truly a fascinating game for strategy. It is the physical equivalent of chess IMHO. It will never exhaust, or grow old.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
Nothing personal and I don't want to impose my religious believes on anyone but comparing coaches losing in the tournament to Christ being crucified is way over the top and offensive to me personally and it might be to other posters as well. I am speaking only for myself and I don't claim to represent anyone else and perhaps other posters are OK with it.
Perhaps a better comparison would be climbing Mount Everest; very few make it to the top and most end up in the first aid posts along the way.
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HAPPY HOLIDAYS AND MERRY CHRISTMAS.
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AND WELL IT SHOULD!
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@ et al,
Frank Mason was really a two guard trying to learn to play point for a full season and a half. And he sort of got the hang of it. Maybe Self is âdevelopingâ Moore to be a point.
Further, has Self decided that if two point guards are hard to beat, why not try 3 point guards? Svi was supposed to allow that, but heâs turned into a swing 3-4 type.
I donât recall a Team starting 3 true PG. If Self had a couple formidable bigs to run with them, the ball handling and weaving could GET AWESOME!!!
Three point guards would really be ideal for the weave.
Add a stretch 4 and a footer and, voila, the IBA BALL created for the 1964 Olympics would finAlly have achieved perfection!!!
Ring time!
Thx for sharing that. What did he think of Eddie?