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@wrwlumpy

Oooooooh, thank you.

Look at the 4.26 mark. Look at Devonte's left leg. Look at him trying to work it. Trying to keep it straight. Oooooooooh, the injury tracks to late last season!!!!!!!!!! Was it late last year that he went the acute cramping. Houston, we've got something here. And look at the knee. It looks swelled up a little just sitting there. Aw, but @drgnslayr has known it all along. He has been keeping Devonte's secret for him. And he has just been howling in the background while I've been being Johnny come lately flailing away trying to get a handle on the issue. Slayr you devil you.

@JayHawkFanToo said:

nd it also gives @jaybate-1.0 sleepless nights and material for multi part posts.

I can assure you that the kinieese tape does not make me want to write multi part posts!!!!

@drgnslayr

I dunno, but I'd like to do a little field research.

@drgnslayr

back to Dean. And from their to Frank McGuire and the Oklahoma Shuffle guy at Airforce. Then Back to Phog. Then back to Jimmy.

@KUSTEVE said:

I want Faylor to lose. If that doesn’t work, I want WVU to lose.

Absolute PHOF!

Glad we got him, but it's amazing how many factory seconds Self has to take to fill the roster.

@drgnslayr

It was fascinating to watch how differently Eddie Sutton and Jack Hartman took Henry Iba's game based on the same set and principles. It is equally fascinating to watch the similarities and differences between Self and Kruger. We are lucky to see them face off. This is as good as Iba Ball gets.

@wissox

I will help.

Together we can set a good example.

Some board rats afflicted with IDS (Injury Denial Syndrome) evidence a gross fallacy in reasoning from time to time.

They generalize from one event.

He dunked once, therefore he can dunk any time and he is not injured.

This is bad analytical form.

Injured players can often do anything a few times.

The injury keeps them performing that way all the time.

They have to conserve themselves, because of the injury.

Also, during once does not mean that a player can slide defensively on.

Dunking once implies that he can get up on one leg on the run.

Effective defensive sliding over the course of a game takes two good legs.

Dunking from a stand still takes two good legs.

Dunking all game while jumping off different legs take two good legs.

One dunk might be a sign someone is improving.

It is not a sign that a player is healthy.

@HawkChamp

No, i have an idea how NOT to do your work for you.

So, again, I'll take what you give me.

You provide me the minute markers when he was explosive off both legs.

You provide me the minute markers that he was playing the same number of minutes as explosively as he did last season.

You provide me the...well, I could go on here forever.

You haven't provided me ANYTHING that refutes my assertion that he is injured.

You have only proven that guys are wearing arm sleeves and leg lingerie for pain and fashion. Right?

Provide me the minute markers for when these guys only wear sleeves and leg lingerie for fashion only.

Provide me the minute markers and quotes that the players and coaches never have the players wear the sleeves and the leg lingerie for pain.

You apparently not only don't know how to prove your case, but you apparently don't know how to reason very well either.

Dang, I was so excited for you for awhile. I was getting out my fork and knife to eat some crow, because I am always willing to do that. And I would be sooooo happy if Devonte turned out to be barely injured and just about well, which I is what I now I am hoping for. But I thought sure your graphics really proved your case for awhile, but all they prove is that players wear these things for pain and fashion. They don't prove which and when. And they don't say anything about Devonte. But that's okay, because you were avoiding Devonte, and focusing on trying to wake me up to the fact that the sleeves and leg lingerie have a fashion element that I did not realize. That much I thank you for.

Let me repeat that: I was wildly wrong about how the fashion part. And I got soooooo jazzed for you that you were right about the fashion part that I figured, well, you must be right about the pain part, too. But, well, then I began to stop looking at the pictures and started reading the words and "thinking" again, and, well, sorry, you didn't prove Devonte isn't injured.

All you proved is that players wear these things for pain and fashion.

I'll give you a C for dragging in some data. And I'll give you an A for waking me up to the fashion issue.

But you haven't done shizzle as far as prove or disprove Devonte's condition. You just keep harping on Devonte doing one lousy dunk. Have you forgotten that Tyrel Reed, a career 40% plus trey baller, played most of his last season operable on a bum foot and still shot 36% from three and flipping dunked during warm ups (apparently to keep opponents from guessing accurately how injured he was)? I mean really, haven't you ever tried to hide an injury on the wood from an opponent? Haven't you ever jumped even though it hurt like hell. Doing anything once, or just a few times a game, doesn't mean a player is healthy! It means the exact opposite usually. It means a player is saving himself and trying as much as possible to protect the injured spot in hopes it will heal. You do understand that players play injured, don't you?

And you sure as heck haven't provided me the minute markers and the quotes that sleeves and leg lingerie are not used for health reasons, have you?

But just to show you I'm a mensch, I will throw you a bone. If you want to work for me for free for a while, I recall that there have been times in the past when it appeared to me that Self was having most, or all, of the players wear sleeves, and or leg lingerie, in order to mask somewhat which players were injured where.

Gee, I'm feeling so generous I will offer you another bone. Again, you have to want to run errands for me for free to do it, though. I also recall times when Self has appeared to have players with reported leg injuries to one leg wear leg lingerie on both legs, again, apparently to make it just a little harder for the opponent to recognize which leg was the weak one to exploit.

Now, get to it. Fetch!

@HawkChamp

Okay, I'll take what you give me.

Did you even watch the game?

Did you see Devonte shooting the three inch jump shots?

Did you see him switching and dragging the leg?

Did you see him not being explosive most of the game?

Did you ever think that one get up was all he had in him?

LOL!

@HawkChamp

Have you ever seen a guy not be able to get up on one leg on the run?

FOTFLMAO!!!!!

@RockChalkRedlock

Okay, now THAT is some HARD evidence.

OMG! OMG!!!!!

I want to go buy one pair each in Navy AOR-2, Marpat forrest, and the new US4CES Bravo (none of that Charlie stuff for moi!!!!!).

I have never been sooooooooooooooo wrong!!!!!!!!!

No wait, Bargnani, said he thinks the reason he wears it is in the middle. He wears it for health reasons and for fashion.

OMG! OMG! Its both.

He says he doesn't need it, but he wears it to control pain and for fashion.

Wait a minute!!!!

WAIT!!!!

This REALLY means Bargnani, and any other player that had elbow pain from a hyper extension, or tendonitis issue, WOULD wear a sleeve on their sore arm, RIGHT?

And, ummmm, that means that when a guy's athletic performance falls off sharply and he is wearing a sleeve and leggings, well, that sleeve and legging become evidence of where the injury would tend to be, RIGHT??????

Oh, shizzle, the 'bate 1.0 cannot help being right even when he tries to admit being wrong, RIGHT?

Holy cow!!!!!

HOLY COW!!!!!

Which is more likely?

A guy falls down to 28% FG shooting, starts shooting 3 inch jump shots, can't elevate very often except on the run, and generally loses his explosiveness, and wears sleeves and legs lingerie for fashion?

Or..

A guy falls down to 28% FG shooting a couple games, starts shooting 3 inch jump shots, can't elevate very often except on the run, and generally loses his explosiveness, and wears sleeves and legs lingerie for health reasons?

Or to put it another way, are we to believe Devonte just got into a little mental funk about the meaning of life, or are we to search for explanations among the following:

a.) leg injury;

b.) arm injury;

c.) cold or flu;

d.) girl friend troubles;

e.) drug addiction; or

c.) fashion doubt.

Man, I've gotta say, you almost had me going there for a minute.

I was almost ready to attribute it all to a fun about fashion doubt.

I mean think about how hard it is to jump, or shoot accurately, or strip the ball, when you are doubting your fashion.

NEXT!

@DanR

Yesterday I had an iSpectrographic Expert take a look at that image of the sprinkler rainbow you provided.

Professor Francois de Bunkois of the Institut UFO Francaise ran extensive tests and concluded the following:

*Test results indicate that the video feed provided is an iPhone video of dueling lawn sprinklers in front of a slatted wooden fence. The prismatic effect results from diffuse sun light coming in contact with the arcing mist of the Rain Bird sprinkler on the left fed most likely by a half or 3/4 inch under ground PVC line maintained by underpaid gardeners. The widely dispersed white speckles are tiny aerosol polymer filaments being made visible by illumination emanating from an 18-inch UV tubular blacklight during the recording of the incident by iPhone. The filaments are associated with chemtrail fallout and are electro conductive. They are believed to sprayed by white unmarked tankers flying at high altitudes. They appear first as contrails, that instead of disappearing as conventional contrails do, and as dumps of partial jet fuels do, begin a long lingering process of dispersal into scuzzy overcast skies. It is currently speculated that the spraying of the scuzzy cloud cover serves three simultaneous functions.

First, the aerosol filiments, when combined with a mist of radioactive barium and aluminum chloride, forms a cloud layer that alters ambient temperatures of air masses about to collide with weather fronts with much higher levels of humidity. This can induce precipitation.

Second, the scuzzy cloud layers induced are electro conductive and can with proper excitation by directed wave energy from ground sources bounced off an excited ionosphere that returns to lower earth atmosphere to create at layerof conductive particles that wreak havoc with guidance systems of potential enemy missiles.

Third, the same process just described also makes it very difficult for certain kinds of enemy spy satellites that rely on uncharged atmospheres for accurate remote sensing to keep track of certain critical USA national security installations and activities.

iSpectrographic analysis also reveals sufficient amounts of Roundup in the atmosphere to trigger in autism in the offspring of child bearing women exposed to that back yard for as little as two days.*

(Note: all fiction. No malice.)

@chriz

I forgot to give a PHOF! for the great headline to your post!

@jayballer54

My misc. possible concern right now is that UFO in Chile deciding to hover over Allen Field House and a greenish yellow tractor beam lifting Self up while Self is walking to his car. Alien civilizations are plagued by alumni that want to win at any cost and will even consider hiring off planet.

(Note: all fiction. No malice. For those trying to control my mind, or their own.)

@ralster

Now that is a PICTURE!!!!!

I'm sooooooo hoping Frank takes the L by storm the way Steve Nash did.

Nash really didn't play all that fast at Santa Clara in college. I saw him play two games and I really doubted he could make it in the NBA.

Frank is just Tiny Archibald and Steve Nash rolled together when it comes to the after burner.

I really hope that he gets the right opportunity in the NBA, because he could really get an NBA team flying up and down the floor.

@jaybate-1.0

OMG! I almost forgot to tell you. I was in a thrift store recently in a somewhat tough neighborhood, and saw a t-shirt on a kid that made me think instantly of you.

The T-shirt was grey with a front on view on the chest of a black hoop with dark grey chain net with one side of the net having broken links and hanging down a little lower. The topper was bright red blood was running down that right side of net and dripping all the way down the front of the T-shirt. It was the greatest T-shirt I have ever seen by quite considerable margin. I had to use the restroom, and when I got back the kid had left. Damn, it was a beautiful idea!!!

@drgnslayr

Howling!!!!!!

@drgnslayr

@wissox and I harbor a healthy annoyance with each other that has grown into a nearly inappropriate affection without losing the former. That's why we don't trip over these things. :smiley:

@drgnslayr

Seriously, Self wears elbow lingerie under his long sleeve shirts with his suits, because it is, eh, fashionable.

@RockChalkRedlock said:

Isn’t this statement for you.

No.

@Kcmatt7 said:

It’s just a fashionable thing.

How shall I put this?

This IDS must be a female dog.

It propels often sensible aliases into saying the darnedest things to keep their anti-injury narrative intact.

Hmmm. There's just no way to sugar coat this.

That is the MOST astonishing, essentially ridiculous, assertion you have made to moi yet on this subject. And I mean "ridiculous" as an accurate adjective, not as an epithet. I have no intent to insult you here. Its just that your assertion appears pretty far out i the left tail of the normal distribution of probability, and so ridiculous appears apt.

Something cannot be considered fashionable, when few, if any, persons do it for fashion, right? I actually can't think of a single player that has ever claimed to wear elbow lingerie, "because it is fashionable." Not one. You like to ask for quotes, so I will take what you give me. Could you post a link to a quote by a D1 basketball player that says he wears elbow lingerie because it is fashionable? I don't know. I just don't recall such a quote. I also don't recall any announcer ever saying, "Wow, Jay, a lot of these kids are wearing these elbow hyperextension protection sleeves for fashion, aren't they?" Do you recall anyone saying that on TV?

And just because you "say" you have observed some kid in some gym somewhere in god's creation beyond D1 wearing elbow lingerie does not make it a fashion in D1, does it? I mean, the kid could have been injured, right? No, wait, you don't like for players to be injured. Its part of IDS, right? Hmm. Lemme see. How about this: he could have been wearing an elbow pad in elbow lingerie to protect his elbow right? Protection is okay, isn't it? That doesn't threaten the IDS, does it? Or he might have kept a stash of change for the soft drink machine in the hollowed out elbow pad, right? Or a key to his front door, maybe?

I mean you do understand that the arm band Graham is wearing is developed for medical purposes, right? You don't question that to sustain this apparent illusion of your IDS, do you?

The arm band is designed to protect an elbow hyper extension, right? The version with an elbow pad is also designed to protect an elbow joint from further impacts, right? I mean you are still able to distinguish medical function in this elastic fabric device for the 'bow, correctomundo?

There is a difference between elbow lingerie and, say, wrist bands, or head bands, right? The last two are just to manage perspiration, right? You don't consider perspiration an "injury," right? A person doesn't have to be protected from the injury of perspiration, right? I mean a floor has to be swept and towelled to prevent slip and fall, which might lead to injury, but you perceive that players wear wrist bands and head bands to manage perspiration. In turn, you see that turning wrist bands and head bands into fashion statements is a little more likely than turning arm straps into fashion statements, affirmativo?

I have worn one of those sleeves for a short while, and I have worn sweat bands on my wrists. I quit wearing the sleeve as soon as I could. Didn't like it. The bands on my wrists I could take or leave. I wore them when my pals wore them as a fashion statement briefly, then moved on. But wearing a sleeve as a fashion statement? Since high school, when you are an upper classman? Man, that is some dedication to fashion. Or you gotta be kidding me, right?

Do you think these players are wearing these knee braces and ankle boots and heel cups and orthotics for fashion statements, too? Hey, man, if only you could see my heel cup inside my tube socks. I put a transfer of Kate Perry on the inside of my heel cup. It is bitchin' fashionable, dude."

If the answer to that question were yes, then it might appear that you have moved beyond IDS to something more acute.

Aw, what the heck?! I've just been having some fun with you here. You feel pretty strongly about this issue of there being no injuries to Devonte, and this whole sleeve-as-fashion thing. Let's go with it.

D1 players that wear elbow sleeves, knee braces, ankle boots, heel cups, orthotics, and hockey masks are doing it mostly for fashion, especially any that have worn them since high school.

Ahem.

I feel a little weird writing it though.

But I'm on your team and if this is the glue you need, then this is the glue you get.

@wissox

Howling!

You know I didn't forget it, because it doesn't exist!!

But I want to thank you for helping me refine my definition. See revision above.

@KUSTEVE

Your tag line is one of the best ever!!!!

And short is the operant word for Baylor's fame.

Injury Denial Syndrome seems to track to the following.

The better a player is the more desire fans have for him not to be injured, because injury puts season hopes for success in jeopardy.

Injury tends to trigger sudden, negative impact on a player's performance stats. All sudden change for the worse makes fans fearful.

The higher the hopes for a season the more threatening a potential injury is, and so the more fans resist acknowledging it.

Persons manifesting this syndrome often attack others that draw their IDS (Injury Denial Syndrome) into question by reactively and absurdly overgeneralizing that others see injuries every where. (Note: this aspect of IDS resulted from observations of @Wissox).

@Kcmatt7

"He wore that same thing last year"

I'll play take what you give me. Chronic injury that compounds in limiting effect with a new leg injury.

I've had had chronic injuries and multiple injuries, where I can mask well with the first, but the combination of it with another tipped my performance down a slippery slope.

Really, I don't understand these blinders about injury hampering performance. It happens most every season to some players for a few games or entire seasons.

Physical injuries appear much more empirical drivers of decreasing performance in many cases than all this psychological mumbo jumbo and statistical randomness hooey injury deniers resort to IMHO.

@KUSTEVE

DG IS CRUCIAL TO RING PURSUIT. AGREED.

That's why I'm making such an issue of his possible injury. We've got to get him back to health for our team to be what it can be.

Even with Doke out for the season, Self has a chance to baling wire the inside, if he can start maybe the best scoring, non-long-stack perimeter since Mike Bibby's UA ring team,

I can't say they are better overall than the '08 KU ring team perimeter, because that bunch was too good at too many things, but your optimism about this year's bunch has certainly been vindicated.

This year's four deep rotation outside, when everyone is healthy, is special!!!

@HawkChamp

Ooh, I like the apparent Over Generalization 101 approach. It's like you're dusting off site destabilization and thread redirect. I thought the site had moved on from those bad old days.

Example 1: lead with false premise of ridiculous overgeneralization by @HawkChamp

"of course, when you attribute everything to injuries you are bound to get a couple right."

You've been watching too much MSM.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, right?

Next.

@RockChalkRedlock,

It is hilarious how people get stressed out by talk of injuries. It forces them to think and thinking hurts almost as much as injuries!

I never think about injuries until a guy who has proved he can do it suddenly stops doing it and keeps not getting it done.

It's scary to think about injuries, because it raises a lot of uncertainty and fans hate uncertainty!

You're so annoyed right now you can't even remember that many, many injuries occur EVERY season. Having Landen, Devonte and Doke injured is just about par for the course. And you can bet there are more guys "nicked up" we don't recognize...yet.

Your whining at me about me mentioning injuries suggests how much denial about injuries you employ to get through seasons.

Don't worry about talking about the injuries. They happen and often and masking them and getting guys to "play through" is one of Self's great abilities.

All sports at a high level involve lots of injuries.

@Kcmatt7

9 times out of 10 I'm right about the injuries.

Read the season stats to reassure yourself that his recent stats don't matter.

I can wait.

@mayjay

Oh, yes, I've been using the line quite a bit. Alas, the mind control techniques of the election used by both candidates, plus the USA national security state, plus the national security states of Russia, China and Israel, have just destroyed your and everyone else's senses of time!!!

@et al,

My prediction remains: once Self spends the next two games versus weak opponents giving Josh as much work on scoring and running the offense as he can, the team we saw earlier this season run efficiently and authoritatively by Frank Mason.

FRANK IS APPARENTLY THE MOST EXPERIENCED AND SKILLED POINT GUARD RUNNING A TOP 5 team in D1.

Frank will drive the car.

The looming question is: will Devonte's injuries sideline him and force Vick into a role requiring sudden productivity.

@DanR

How long will it be before the Liberty Lobby makes a FOIA request and learns that the term "chemtrails," like the term "conspiracy theory," has been used by the CIA to discredit certain topics of discourse (e.g., JFK assassination, )?

@HawkChamp

For now, and then DG will resolve this in your favor, or mine, as the season wears on.

Rock Chalk to you.

@drgnslayr

I'm very confident on reading injuries in players.

I'm very confident in you on reading leadership issues in teams.

But I've gotta say that I don't see a leadership issue on the team.

What I see is the injury wipe out of Doke and the de-hab (instead of re-hab) of Coleby; this wipes out KU's ability to get big and stay big inside at 4 and 5, which Self was clearly planning to be able to do, even with his emphasis on 4-1. There are lots of teams where the matchup calls for going big for big at the 4 and 5, as well stressing the opponent's twin bigs with small ball for stretches. Now Self cannot go big at 4 and 5 except for brief stints. Now Self has to get Josh Jackson a lot of work against big 4s ASAP. As a result, everyone is feeding Josh and standing around while he learns to player 4-1 against a prison body 4. Self is using this 4 game stretch against what I call "Carp" opponents--the bottom feeders that will finish 6th and below, to really give Josh some work in the games. Frank and Devonte are just being asked to do enough to keep us from losing games to the Carp, while Josh figures out how to score and guard and board against prison body 4s. This makes Frank and Devonte appear a lot less energetic and sharp. Down the stretch of the TTech game, Self was clearly ordering Frank and Devonte to let Josh practice dribbling across the midcourt and getting the feel of starting the chops right and chops left. The only thing Self isn't preparing Josh for is subbing for Self as head coach on the nights Self has the flu.

Next, Self is non-reporting Devonte's injury riddled body. The guy walks like one leg is shorter than the other. The guy can't get over a screen on a slide right to left. The guy switches in an obviously un-Selfian way (i.e., no Self team switches against Carp teams; that is unheard of). The guy doesn't pressure on-ball like he used to do. The guy doesn't get up like he used to. The guy is shooting half the percentages he used to shoot, and even vs. TTech when he shoots it a little better because he starts taking the 3" hopping jump shot that KU's perimeter guys resort to when playing injured, DG still didn't look sharp. Further, the guy isn't an ambidextrous threat as he used to be. Defenders are putting a flipping dressage saddle on his right hand and riding it to force DG to his left and DG isn't making them pay, as he used to, when they over played him either way.

Next, Self has decided he has to get Vick a lot of work, because DG could go down at any minute, Svi still doesn't seem consistent in his shooting, and because he basically is moving Josh to the 4 for most of the game. That in turn means that Self has to get Svi some work against prison bodies at the 4, because there will be games when Josh gets fouled up and Svi will have to log significant minutes vs. the PB4s.

I think the issue above, plus dead legs from heavy practicing for a couple games prior to TTech, explain the team's lackluster play recently, after a stretch of the best play I have seen a KU team string together in several years.

I expect Frank can reassert and lead decisively, when asked.

It appears Devonte can to, if he were to get a leg and arm healthy.

I'm pretty optimistic about Josh being able to master this force feed learning.

I feel like Vick can step it up a little.

Landen is manning up to his starting 5 role, and Bragg for the first time this game made me think he will start getting it done 3-4 games from now.

What does all of this mean? It means one heck of a lot is hanging on DG getting well and Josh learning to love playing prison body 4s.

As I said, I have some optimism about Josh.

But regarding DG, this little voice in the back of my noggin keeps saying, "Self never totally non-reports someone, unless Self is sure the player won't get well any time during the season." Tyrel Reed during his last KU season comes to mind. Reed played operable and un-reported much of his last season, because Self HAD to play him. I fear we are in that predicament again with DG. He is too important not to play. But it may appear to Self that DG isn't going to get well. So: he appears to have to play through unreported.

Bad news, if it were to prove true.

@Crimsonorblue22

And cut in on Fred Astaire to dance with Marjorie Reynolds, or was it Virginia Dale?

Damn, I wish I had lived back then. I would have cut a mean flipping rug with women that could dance like that.

@HawkChamp

Are you fecal mattering me? Of course you are. All they did was give him his left the whole second half.

Why the flip does one wear lingerie on one's left elbow, but not on one's right? Do elbow pads really require coverage from arm pit to mid forearm? I don't think so. Wait! Maybe one wears it on one's left instead of one's right, because one has asymmetric circulation and one is trying to balance out the blood flow to each arm. Hmmm, seems a long shot. Do you think its fun to wear that lingerie? I suspect you don't wear it if you don't need it for some significant and often acute issue. I doubt the guys wear it because they are superstitious, but I suppose anything is possible. Protection against bug bites? Maybe, if the KSU experimental labs have unleashed a new Goliath winter mosquito, but again, that seems to stretch credulity a bit. I'm going to sit tight with my recollection here. I'm not watching the TTech game again and marking the time, because you can't see it. If you watched the second half, it was an every possession thing; that's what I saw every possession. If you didn't, then me marking every possession isn't going to change much is it?

Next, let's now proceed back down to the leg. Watch the guy walk and slide the second half. He walks like one leg is longer than the other during close ups during breaks in play. Watch him when he walks to the bench for a time out, or to the foul line. Do you recall that last season? I don't. Why does someone walk like one leg is a little longer than the other? There are a number of possible reasons. He could be trying to fool jaybate 1.0 into thinking he is injured, but that seems a stretch to me. The most likely reason is he is wearing an orthotic in one shoe and not the other. You can cover up the gimp from the lingerie, by gutting it out. It only shows when you are sliding hard to the direction your weak leg is leading toward. And even then you can do a pretty good job of concealing it, if the coach lets you switch off a lot of the time. But one leg longer than the other? Ah, now that's something the shoe itself. Once in awhile it can be a disk compressed asymmetrically and/or some arthritis in an irritated joint; that results in a little hitch in the git-along, too.

But for the love of all that is logical, the guy that last year was one of the most explosive guards I've seen at KU, now struggles to clear the floor, shoots those 3-inch hop sets shots that all other KU guards shoot when they get bad wheels, and you want to argue over whether a guys left arm is hurt when he is wearing lingerie on it? Good lord, what does he need to do? Wear high viz yellow lingerie with a red cross arm patch and a head band with ketchup on it?

I feel like I'm mastering the obvious here regarding DG.

Are you one of those that was sure Landen had magically forgotten how to play the post after running a string of double doubles down the stretch, or did you put two and tow together and say, "Hey, Self is under-reporting again! Landen doesn't just have a sore foot. Why, Landen is wearing a boot and on top of that Landen can barely raise his arms over his head. Hey, Landen must have TWO injuries and Self is masking the injury for the ten thousandth time at KU!"

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Hey, this isn't pulling teeth.

This is just watching people walk, watching the way defenders guard them, watching how high they jump most of the time, compare it to the prior year when they were supposedly healthy and explosive, and compare shooting percentages and scoring last year and this year, during the same recent stretch that Devonte's game has fallen off.

@BeddieKU23

For the first time this season I decided to watch him closely to see what is injured. He's doing a great job of masking it, but....

It's one leg and it's a thigh. He drags it just trying slide to a pick. He really can't get over picks and that's probably why they have been doing so much switching. Probably a pulled groin tendon. Pretty sure it was the left leg, but can t recall for sure today. This explains why he gets up some jumping on the run going off his good leg, but barely clears floor other times.
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Also, his left elbow is pretty clearly hyper extended so the opponent is massively over playing his right hand to make him go left with the injured left arm.

DG needs a witch doctor badly.

@dylans

PHOF!!!

I keep wondering what it will take for MISSOURAH to look in the mirror and take stock?

How many conferences do they have to join before they get that they are the problem--not everyone else?

Fizzou is one of the strangest cases of institutional dysfunction I have ever witnessed.

And it goes waaaaay back.

My late father used to talk about how awful they were even back to the 1930s.

And there was that story of James Naismith having to sneak his team out of Columbia after a KU win by going down the rear fire escape of the hotel in Columbia to elude a mob.

What is it with those people?

It predates MK-Ultra, Chem trails, CIA, and memetic engineering.

It's gotta be something in their water supply.

@chriz

Isn't it great we don't have to play Fizzou?

It is such a relief.

@DoubleDD

Way to take it in the spirit @approxinfinity intended.

Your ownership will make us all man and woman up on the F-Bomb right along with you.

TEAM.

@approxinfinity

It's always ok to ask us to clean up the house.

Seriously, I don't want to threaten Ban's meal ticket. He has a right speak his mind. But I do want to make fun of him for these and other reputed negs tossed our way.

Question: is it possible Dick Vitale has made some kind of blood oath with Ban?

Ban Banschilla needs a disclaimer to run when he does KU games.

---Fran's son did not get to be a walk-on at KU.--

Ban Fran!

@mayjay and @JayHawkFanToo

No calls are basketball 101 IMHO,

Are you being genuine?

I will assume you are and distill this further.

Attempted fouling to stop the clock to get a last possession?

Common place practice.

A ref no calling a game late?

Hardly unusual.

A ref giving a home team a home win with a no call late in a game.

Hardly unusual in appearance, but referee motivations are generally hard to prove/disprove.

Refs are an apparently significant driver in the home court advantage?

Nothing pioneering here, but again referee motivations are generally hard to prove/disprove.

The no call has long been used to engineer outcomes in basketball?

Elementary. Point shaving scandals have revealed it.

Not making a call is easier to defend afterwards than is making a call?

Duh.

Error of omission instead of commission masks the ref's contribution.

"I didn't see it."

You can't appeal a no call?

Obviousness mastered.

No calls keep the clock running and let plays stand.

No calls are among a referees most potent tools in shaping the way a game is to be played, or how it ends.

Yup.

Recall: Back in the hay days of point shaving in the 1940s gambling scandals in New York, the no call and the no play were reputedly preferred tools of engineering games.

Surely this one time common knowledge has not gone down the memory hole, too?

Finally, I am making NO assertion about RIGHTFUL, or WRONGFUL, motivations of the refs in making apparent no calls; that ain't my job.

Refs appear to make no calls for lots of reasons and not all of those reasons are bad ones.

Getting "jobbed" on someone else's home floor appears a complex phenomenon. I recall some past discussions of research suggesting refs may be affected by an unconscious need to gain crowd acceptance, or avoid acute rejection. Some times coaches riding refs appears to result in refs retaliating later with unfavorable no calls. Sometimes games are reputedly fixed; i.e., refs are paid to engineer outcomes/spreads. And so on.

I'm not talking about referee motivations here.

I'm talking about the appearance of KSU trying to foul (twice) to get another possession and refs appearing to no call, whatever the ref's actual motivations may have been.

The no call: it's referee-tastic!

@drgnslayr

Until Devonte is healed, he can't be more than gimpy glue.

@JayHawkFanToo

have it right and you struggling with thinking it through clearly.

It doesn't matter whether free throws might have been made, as you suspect, or not.

Weber had KSU TRYING TO DO EXACTLY THE RIGHT THING, but the refs denied them the tactic, not once, but twice.

An inferior team has to gamble in a situation like that. They have to choose whether to let KU play to its strength--athleticism making shots leading to a KSU loss, or to put a superior team struggling with free throw shooting on the line, and stopping the clock to get one more possession to win?

It's simple really.

Weber was having his less athletic players do the right thing.

KSU WAS PLAYING THE CLOCK, NOT THE OPPONENT.

When an inferior team is tied and on defense against a superior team on its home floor, it SHOULD foul to stop the clock to get the last possession, even if it's a Hail Mary. BUT OF COURSE 2-2.5 seconds is enough time to drive the length of the course for more than a Hail Mary and a win if KU had missed just one FT.

You can't let the superior team play to its strength AND lose your last possession. You defend where they are strongest--making shots, and gamble on them missing one gettting the ball back Attack where they are weak, defend where they are strong. Make them win it on the line, not making shots. Get another possession at all costs. Definitely do not play to go into OT against a superior team on its home floor.

Think it through clearly.

Worst case: If Svi makes the basket and a free throw, you play to tie with a three.

Middle case: Svi makes the basket and misses the FT, you pull up for a three to win, or drive for a short Trey.

Best case: Svi misses basket and one or both FTs, and you are shooting for a short two, or FTs to win.

Weber had his team doing exactly the right thing, especially the mid court foul of Svi.

It would have been better for KSU to foul a lesser FT shooter, but KSU had to stop and foul ball handler ASAP.

Weber had to gamble on forcing refs to call a foul to stop the clock BEFORE KU made a basket. This is why the refs no calls determined the game. They would not let KSU foul to stop the game for another possession.

It was a crappy way to ref the end of the game and the refs should be held accountable.

It appears either the refs were intentionally engineering the winner with no calls, or they were acutely incompetent.