@JayHawkFanToo Yeah, I'd just as soon see him working really hard on finding our replacement, hope it's not Charlie Weiss!
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@JayHawkFanToo Some are blaming Barry Alvarez saying he's got an ego that is making this happen twice now.
I was surprised but not sorry.
He mangled our first game of the year so badly against LSU, and then weeks later against Northwestern, that I'm just glad he's gone. He lied about three times about decisions he made at LSU, particularly why our Heisman trophy candidate Gordon only carried the ball 3 times in the 2nd half. He said Gordon was hurt. Gordon said he wasn't. He stubbornly stuck his QB over a competent, but not a superstar, QB until the damage was done against NW. He interviewed for the Browns job after only one year in Madison. Don't let the Jump Around hurt you on the way out of town Gary Andersen!
RCJHKU
I don't usually put a whole lot of thought into KU football, but what you wrote seems to be true. Although I must say our last coach was not a n0-name. He was unproven in my opinion, but he certainly had a name as big as his girth.
And I hope you're wrong about David Beaty, as I'm sure you do, but I doubt it!
I had an interesting viewing experience which permitted me to watch the game in a different light. I had another game to attend and so I couldn't watch until I got home on the DVR. While scrolling through the posts from my 3 or 4 friends on Facebook, I saw the heading "KU Wins!" Well shoot, it was better than reading "KU loses".
So the tension in my body left me immediately. I didn't know the final score, so at least there was that drama left for me.
My observations:
Frank had me screaming at the DVR. Same typical Frank stuff, but he's apparently the best we've got at running the show, even though sometimes he thinks he is the show.
Selden did his usual hit a three at the beginning of the game trick, and then more or less disappeared offensively. Still waiting Wayne, still waiting.
There's no shame in beating Georgetown by just 5. I watched them nearly take down the Badgers a couple weeks back. I didn't understand however all of the empty seats in their arena. Are their fans that apathetic about their team?
I didn't get nearly as worked up over Perry's misses inside the lane as I would have if I didn't know the result. As others point out, he seems to struggle against bigger players, although GTown's bodies were big, but not necessarily taller. He's got NBA small forward written all over him which means he has to gain a confident stroke from outside the lane.
I also didn't get nearly as worked up over the officials as I would have if I didn't know the results, but it seemed as if we got jobbed quite a few times. Someone drew a charge late in the game clearly, but the ref called it a block. Not good.
Brannen Greene, what can I say, except don't foul three point shooters who get lucky and bank in their shot!
I used to like Gus Johnson until I realized how much he favors one team over the other. Last night, GTown was his favored taste, and if I had to analyze the excited calls, they were overwhelmingly in Gtowns favor. Greene shot so many daggers that drew no audible response. @lincase I do like Bill Rafferty a lot. He brings color to a telecast with his calls. Didn't hear it last night but I think he used to use the term onions a lot and I always liked it!
RCJH!
@JayHawkFanToo
Yes I remember those games, particularly the game at AFH. He was really good.
I also watched him play in the turkey week game against Wisconsin. He was tough, pushed Kaminsky around in the lane quite a bit, but he kind of wore down as the game went on. Georgetown did impress me however that day. They had a guard Rivera who torched us for 29 points. The only three he missed was the three that would have tied the game in the final seconds. We might want to mark him up pretty good.
@jaybate-1.0 Howling is another sign of dementia.
10 signs Jaybate has slipped into near dementia.
10 Claims he talks to Phog Allen daily
9 Went to Memorial Stadium to watch a KU basketball game and AFH to watch a football game. Couldn't figure out why AFH was full for a football game.
8 Still believes Dewey defeated Truman
7 Awarded himself a PHOF the other day.
6 Likes Missouri
5 Claims he has a voodoo doll of Derrick Rose and made him miss the FT's in the 2008 championship game.
4 Claims he taught James Naismith the game of basketball and should himself be credited with the invention of basketball.
3 Says he has a pet Jayhawk and takes him out for a walk every day and terrifies little Missourians with it.
2 Believes KU football will supplant Alabama as the national favorite....next year.
1 Incorporated the Rock Chalk Jayhawk chant into his wedding vows.
(as you like to say JB, All fiction, no malice)
Actually Jaybate, the statistic is true. Josh Smith does weigh 350 pounds.
@Kip_McSmithers Just following the thread here of playing WSU or not and saying it wouldn't be bad to have an annual rivalry game outside of the league. I know we have a tough schedule which has improved in the last few years.
@Crimsonorblue22 I'm sorry, I'm kind of dull today, I don't follow your comment? Rephrase please!
@Kip_McSmithers That's good information. I just wish it wasn't just about the money.
I believe KU needs to add an annual non-conference game against a worthy opponent. I already stated my desire to see us play MU, but it could be anyone that becomes a 'looking forward to it' type of game on the schedule. Illinois-Missouri is a good example, the aforementioned UK-UL game too. Wisconsin plays all its' in state D-1 rivals every year. They're always good games on the schedule (UW Milwaukee is not as competitive as it used to be). They're fan friendly and are considered rivalries. Colorado-KU could be one of these annual border wars. Maybe KU-Nebraska, or KU-Iowa. KU-Arkansas? They'd be good for TV, good for fans, good for our RPI, good for improving our chances of doing well in March.
@justanotherfan Nothing good happens at 2 in the morning?
I think I remember a one or two AM run to Joes (I think that's the name) bakery for some hot donuts. I was driving east, so I just pulled across the street and faced the oncoming lanes, which of course were deserted at that time. I got my donuts, pulled away and a cop pulled me over for driving on the wrong side of the street. I told him I was too lazy to go up to the corner and turn around. He liked my answer, I should have given him a donut. He let me go. The donuts were delicious.
@jaybate-1.0 I live about a mile from Ella Mae, AKA Donna Douglas, (for real, I drive right by her house every day on the way to work) and she does have a cement pond, I'll go toss her in!
@Kong What about us fans? The game is for the fans I thought and I, like some would love to see KU play Wichita and Missouri.
Basketball is a great way for kids like Jamari to make something positive for themselves. He's been through so much. I hope it's nothing too serious and that he learns a good lesson, and stays in school, not for our team, but for his future.
@JRyman That pun's a croc
My favorite Jimmy V line: To a ref, "Can you give me a technical for what I'm thinking?" Ref, "No Jimmy" Jimmy, "I think you suck". The ref broke his word!! Thanks for this thread Brooks, nice to see some other topics on here on occasion, even in the midst of a basketball season.
So our hope is to find the regional come tourney time that doesn't have any big and long interior players.
I saw Duke last night of course, and goodness, we don't want to run up against them. Okafor is as advertised. Kaminsky couldn't stop him inside and really couldn't score on him inside either. He got most of his 17 from the arch or the stripe.
Ultimately it matters little I'm afraid to say because Kentucky is going to cut down the nets in April. I guess this is one year that we better be content to win another Big12 and anything extra is going to be gravy.
I was really optimistic Mickelson could be that guy to give us an inside presence, but I don't think it's going to happen.
Did someone say something about BMac? Find "Mclemore slam" on their videos here.
A freshman is not producing after 6 games. This shouldn't be news. Freshmen don't produce. Kelly is a victim of a overhyped culture, enabled by the internet, that makes us all experts on what a kid is expected to do in college, and when he doesn't we all wonder why.
I hope Kelly turns into a 4 year player and leads us to a championship his senior year. I doubt he'll stay 4 years. The hype machine will either tell him he needs to go pro because he has that potential, or the machine will do, as it has done here, (see @HighEliteMajor above for the post from ESPN insider that shows Kelly is the worst of the heralded recruits) and ruin the kid because now he knows he's a bust. None of the hype will tell him to be patient and learn to play the system and play the team game and stick around. I hope he figures it out anyways.
@JRyman Yeah, actually I'll kind of miss beating him up so much! We've pretty much had our way with him, although he did knock us off once.
To be fair to the man, he appeared to be much beloved by his players who seemed genuinely shocked and angered that he was fired. And I kind of agree. He won quite a few games for them, semi-reviving the program that Callahan nearly ran into the ground. But the lustre that is Nebraska football is greatly tarnished now and I'd be surprised if it ever returns to the glory days under Osborne. To kids in HS now, they know nothing of Nebraska being a football power. So why go there?
Man, after watching Pellini over the last few years as a Badger fan, I couldn't stand the guy on KU's sidelines. He's such a whiner. A nicer way to put it is he wears his emotions on his sleeves.
@drgnslayr Popovich's roster has a majority of players on it who are not Americans. It's worked out pretty well for him!
They can come in and dominate because there aren't elite players (generally) who are juniors and seniors because those elite players have moved on.
I am guardedly optimistic about Svi. He had a good game Sunday, Friday not too bad, Thursday nothing. Before that, a clunker, along with everyone else against Kentucky, a decent showing against Rider and his debut was nothing to airmail home about.
What the Freak am I talking about? The kid is 17 and will be all season! This kid is unbelievable! He'll be a 19 year old Junior!! I hope he stays of course, and if he does, watch out Big12 and others, KU will be as tough as always.
I am not smart enough to determine the impact of defense on a teams shooting. Michigan St., and to a lesser extent, us, missed a lot of close in shots. Was our defense that good, which I'd like to believe, or was MSU's shooting that bad? I mean some of the misses were layup bricks. They were the equivalent of airballs on layups. They were what my shot would look like if I was on a fast break with Cliff chasing me down from behind and I knew I had to get it airborne before he could catch me. Great defense KU, (crappy shooting MSU!).
I missed the first 10 minutes of the game which is when we must have made our FT's because it didn't seem like we made any since then except for Jamari's clutch FT's at the end.
Good win, good tournament, good season shaping up.
I kind of watched, family here, couldn't really watch intently. I don't recall seeing much Oubre. I know it's too early to call him a bust, but he hasn't come close to living up to expectations the way I see it.
I've developed a complex about Mason. His mistakes stick out to me because they seem to be costly. But I looked at his numbers for the game and they really weren't too bad.
@wrwlumpy They have one of the best fight songs out there, Rocky Top!
KU at 1 on ESPN2 and UW at around 2:30 on ESPN. Like I said the DVR gets a workout today because I'd rather eat turkey than watch live basketball.
@Crimsonorblue22 I'm thankful today for my DVR, I should be able to handle all of my basketball viewing for the day!
@KUSTEVE I will be providing advance scouting for the Jayhawks, assuming we beat GTown of course and Florida survives.
But don't eat during the KU game, well of course, I gave up KU basketball so I guess I can eat whenever!
Oh, I think we're gonna be alright! Bring on Georgetown! Have a great thanksgiving! Come on over for leftovers!
@justanotherfan I like your enthusiasm, but this team might not have the mettle to win a bunch of road games in this tough league. I guess your comment "getting torched" is still what sticks in my craw. I know other great teams have gotten torched. I just have the feeling, in my gut, that we've been torched more than our fair share in the last season and a half. I'm still disillusioned, I'll get over it!
RCJHKU. Beat Rider
Top 10 signs I'm probably not done.
1 Drawer still full of Jayhawks Boxers.
2 Attending Jayhawks Fans Anonymous local chapter meeting tonight
3 Still loathe misery
4 Still writing dumb things on anonymous fan website
5 Trash talking Rider fans in advance of tonights game
6 Still checking out prospect lists of 5th graders wondering how they'll look in the Phog
7 Still trying to convince @Jayhawkfantoo that I'm not done
8 Planning on Thanksgiving Dinner at 3AM to avoid all conflicts with KU basketball games this week.
9 Still mad at refs for screwing us in Dallas against Duke in 1986.
10 Wife continually tells me she wishes I was done
@JayHawkFanToo I guess you missed the very first response to my original post!! Why are you still criticizing when everyone else here could see I really didn't mean it? And these are opinions! I think the Florida game was just as embarrassing as the Kentucky game. So what if you don't?
I've never posted a thing on anything related to WIsconsin. I enjoy their teams, and am certainly on the bandwagon with them but KU is where my heart is at, even though it's a broken heart, which my friends here are trying to get me to see the glass is half full not half empty.
RCJHKU! Beat Rider!
I have a feeling in a few weeks I'll be reminded by some of you of my "I'm done" statement!
@ralster Good point on the normal height teams. But what do you make of the observation that we're an abnormally lacking on height team? Might we run into problems with more than Kentucky because of our lack of height? Is Mickleson going to be an answer at all? Lucas?
@drgnslayr Good post Dragon. The quote of Frank Kaminsky's was really interesting. He said something to the effect of 'the NBA is boring. Why would I want to go play in front of 8000 fans in Charlotte when i can play 1 more year in a town like Madison?' And hundreds, 1000's? of kids around the country can say the same thing. Now many have no choice, they know it's over when their eligibility is up. But 100's every year face the choice of opting out or sticking around. Doesn't matter if it's Durham, or Morgantown or Manhattan. It's an exciting life. Why give it up when you only have one shot at it?
Lots to respond to here! I clicked submit then watched something truly better than KU basketball, my daughter playing HS soccer!
First of all, thanks for those who noticed my own initial response!
Second. I am frustrated and disillusioned, but am hopelessly addicted to this team.
@benshawks08 You're probably right about Connor, but transferring is the same as redshirting in terms of sitting out.
@HighEliteMajor I haven't read much of anything since the debacle so I'm not sure about your original post. Was it the roster apocalypse post?
@JayHawkFanToo I looked at that Florida game as thoroughly embarrassed. Wiggins made a flurry of threes in the last minute. I know Florida was good but we were not very competitive that game and looked like the KU JV playing FLorida.
And its fair WEATHER fan!
A simple switch to MLB's system will removed the loathsome OAD that is ruining this game and let us enjoy our teams again without fear of guys leaving early and without fears of whoever is the best recruiter hoarding the best players like is happening now.
And to top it all off, I just heard KU gave up 430 yards to some kid from OU, costing Melvin Gordon his record for yards in a game! Yes, I'm a Badger football fan too!
See you next game :)
I've very quickly become a disillusioned KU basketball fan. I was fine all the way through the horrible Michigan loss. Those were our guys. They were not players using KU for a shot at the league. They were guys who gave their all for us. For KU, for the glory of the fine program we've established here.
We've always had guys leave early. That's not quite my gripe here. Yes, I did gripe a little when Josh Selby blew his chance to write his name in KU lore. I did the same when Xavier Henry did the same. But it was different. They were role players on veteran teams. I did understand and sympathize with BMac's incredible story just to get here and realized when the
overwhelming need to take care of his family made it absolutely the right decision.
But now we are stuck in what looks to be a cycle that Self doesn't know how to get out of. The first signs were last season. Getting thoroughly embarrassed at Florida was my first inkling that this was not going to be a great era in KU basketball. Other bad losses last season didn't help with my disillusionment.
Getting pushed around by Stanford was the next nail in my fandom coffin. I know we probably win some more games if Joel stays healthy, but still got pushed around by a lousy Stanford team that had no business being on the same floor as us.
And then they were gone. Replaced by two or three guys who could be gone this season. They're asking us fans to invest emotional energy into following this team that will look drastically different next season. As some have pointed out, we are in a recruiting game that we, and every other team is losing, well except UConn which is laughing at all of us.
I don't know what Kentucky is doing. I can't believe that there isn't something illegal happening there. But it's not going to be found out anytime soon. And as much as I hate to admit it, Cal may be giving an honest effort on this one and the rest of us will be stuck with the UCLA of the 2010's and 20's.
Major sports leagues have taken measures to ensure competitive balance, with MLB getting on board late. But look what happens, the Royals!! One hit away from tying, or winning a WS game 7. NCAA needs to figure out a way to fix this. There's something wrong with a system that allows one University to bring in half of the top recruits every year and then see 6 or 7 of those guys go pro after one season.
Most of you know that I have a deep passion too for Wisconsin. And the contrast between the two programs is stark this season. One blue chip recruit on the whole team that was a missed shot away from knocking off UK. A veteran laden team. Frank Kaminsky said playing in the NBA sounds boring, so he came back for another season instead of getting picked in the 1st round like he would have. Players contributing to the team who redshirted a year. Happens almost every year, and happened again this week.
What if Connor had redshirted instead of transferring? Rio too, and others? Do you think Milton Doyle could be helping this team had he taken the shirt and been essentially a veteran on this team, with three years of eligibility left? He is thriving in the Missouri Valley right now with Loyola.
And that's part of my disillusionment. Others have expressed this too. There's something wrong when a kid who's always wanted to play at KU leaves. Maybe he was falsely advertised. In a strange kind of way I hope he shoots us out of the NCAA tournament some day.
And the other night sure didn't help with my disillusionment. I was realistic. I figured we'd lose, but certainly didn't think we'd look so bad doing it. I'm not going to rehash it. I'm done with KU until something changes. Go ahead Cliff and Kelly. Use us for your dream of playing in the league. Coach Self, get us some kids who will stick around here and make us a powerhouse again. We aren't anywhere near it.
See you KU brothers and sisters. Have a good year. Rock Chalk Jayhawk KU. I will live on with the glorious memory of 1988 to my grave.
Since the 2012 final, which we lost, how many signature wins do we even have? We beat Duke last year, but then proceeded to lose 10 or 11 games including blowouts at WV, Florida and an embarrassing NCAA loss, not to mention the Bahamas failed mission and getting manhandled on our home floor by San Diego State. The year before Michigan stands out as another embarrassing loss, blowing a big lead. TCU that year stands out as one of the worst KU games in recent decades.
And now we have the year started off with a 40 point effort. When I decided enough was enough and turned it off, we had 35 points and there was over 10 minutes left. Imagine my chagrin when I woke up and saw we scored 5 points the rest of the way.
Or another way to put it is the announcer said "I don't think I've ever seen a team score their first points of a half on a 1-1 FT."
I'm a pessimist by nature and I just don't see how this team will really make an impact nationally after this. That being said this is the toughest team on our schedule by far so we will still win a lot of games. And maybe over the course of those lots of games we will gain some confidence and be ready to make some noise come March. But right now I fear the only noise in March we'll hear is all of us whimpering.
No I think it reveals how foolish some of these recruits are. How do they think they're all going to play at that school?
A new wrinkle that bears watching. Kentucky plays in a league that is 'owned' by ESPN, at least their network is. ESPN wants Kentucky to do well. ESPN might tell officials they need Kentucky to do well. We'll face this again in a few weeks when we play Florida.
All right, as soon as I started watching and we're losing. I will watch Badgers again and hope they come back.
Been watching Melvin Gordon run wild on Nebraska and checked the KU game, whoa. Can we keep this up?
I miss Oakville, we need to get him here!
Cool, I just don't want one of these dumb air craft carrier games.
Things that could go wrong on an aircraft carrier game:
The boat could spring a leak, team drowns, there goes our conference title streak.
F-18 could accidentally land on the court, Jamari tries to take the charge, doesn't work out too well.
Bill Self steps in something on the poop deck.
Several key Jayhawks think this military life sure looks fun, they sign up during halftime and leave for basic training.
Tom Crean 'accidentally' gets ahold of a grenade and 'accidentally' lobs it at our bench. He gets a T-d up twice and ejected.
Freshman OAD KU player tries a 360 tomahawk dunk. Misses. Coach is so pissed he makes him walk the plank, making him the first true OAD in college hoops history.
A close game comes down to the wire. Perry Ellis is about to shoot the game winning FT when a crazed Indiana fan blasts the ships whistle. Perry misses, we lose, and Self makes him walk the plank. The crazed fan it is discovered is Bobby Knight.
After the Navy hires Bill Self, not to coach the Midshipmen, but to run their boot camp.
Typhoon Phog strikes the Hawaiian Islands. ESPN says the game must go on. The ship rocks and rolls. Alexander (who stuck around for a second season) goes up for a dunk, the wind blows him 3 feet from the rim and he air balls his dunk. He too has to walk the plank.
Frank Mason is streaking downcourt when the wire which catches landing jets is deployed and trips him.
During the game Putin pushes the world to the brink of a war, the ship is called immediately into service. Our team has no chance to get off board. Svi is especially excited because he really wants to kick Putin's A.... after what he did to the Ukraine last spring.
In this OAD era, experience, while helpful, is a bit overrated I'd say. A KU team this young 15 years ago would not have been able to defend their conference crown. Ask Roy about that as he seemed to have some young teams that came up short in the league.