Kenpom released its preseason rankings. Take them with a grain of salt. He has Texas #2 for example. Perhaps they will play to that lofty ranking.
KU #8 with #16 offense & #10 defense.
Preseason poll is out. KU is 5th which is probably too high.
I think what Texas has coming back plus what is coming in puts them comfortably in the top 10.
KU has a lot of questions to answer before I'm ready to think they are even a top 10 team tbh. I personally am not impressed by McCullar. Rumor out of camp about Gradey is great, but freshman have just struggled for Bill outside of maybe JJ. The 5 spot is a huge question mark at the moment.
I'm guessing KU has some early struggles but finds their stride (per usual) come conference play. Never easy to replace 2 first round picks.
@BShark said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Preseason poll is out. KU is 5th which is probably too high.
Tied for 5th with Baylor.
Full top 25 is:
T#5. Baylor
T#5. Kansas
Big 12 and SEC tied with 5 ranked teams each and each with 4 in the top 15. The ACC, Big 10, and Pac 12 have 3 teams each. The Big East has 2 teams and the AAC, A10, MWC, and WCC have 1 team apiece.
There's a lot teams with questions entering the season so I'm fine with KU's rankings. I think it's largely based on knowing Bill Self's history and track record over the last 20 years in what he's done with teams.
On paper Texas has one of the most talented rosters. Certainly, looks like the most athletic bunch in the league.
I'm terrified that Self is going to play Cam Martin. He certainly hasn't said anything so far to kill my fears either. Yikes!
I'm with you on having a lot of questions about this team. I'll let Self figure it out and try and enjoy watching this young team grow up. They don't have the #5 roster on paper, but Self will find a way to coach them into something. I've lowered my expectations for this squad a lot & we won a title so the pressure valve is really low for this year.
@BeddieKU23 lol!
@BeddieKU23 Don't worry, if Bill plays Cam a single minute he will see the defense. When this happens he will actually pass out and the game will have to be stopped.
5th, 8th...it's just a number. I think we have some real growing pains coming, but Bill will figure out a way to make us competitive enough to have a good seed in the tournament. I have to admit I've dialed back expectations- too many new parts, big learning curve, questionable shooting, etc. Doesn't mean we'll be bad, but I think we'll be closer to '21 than '22.
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Numbers don’t lie. Sit Harris. Start Jank.
@benshawks08 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Numbers don’t lie. Sit Harris. Start Jank.
The NuMbErS STiLl don'T LIe.
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@benshawks08 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Numbers don’t lie. Sit Harris. Start Jank.
The NuMbErS STiLl don'T LIe.
the only problem with that is Juan plays close to 25- minutes a game -- Jank plays like 2-3 - - sure Janks numbers going to be a lot better - not nearly as much time to screw up
@jayballer67 don’t entertain them it’s sarcasm man lol - no one thinks Jank should take Juan’s minutes
@kuballin10 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@jayballer67 don’t entertain them it’s sarcasm man lol - no one thinks Jank should take Juan’s minutes
@kuballin10 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@jayballer67 don’t entertain them it’s sarcasm man lol - no one thinks Jank should take Juan’s minutes
pretty sad sarcasm at that
Updated after giving that Johnny Boy his first L. Glad it was KU
At this point its clear, Jank is too good to play & they must protect his draft stock.
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Jalen on 1,000 pt club watch. He's on pace for a monster season. Kevin could also join the club by end of year.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, numbers, numbers, numbers, blah, blah, blah; when a Duke player had an open court for a layup/dunk in the first half, I saw the headband on a KU player streaking down court for a the terrific block that was followed by a second block. Of course that was our #3, Dejuan Harris starting that defensive play and not giving one inch to a Duke player. That shows why Dejuan is on the court; the rest is just blah, blah, blah.
Our defense is sensational. Juando is a big part of that. Our offense scores because Juando drops a whole bunch of dimes.
@BeddieKU23 KJ's PER should be 14.6 not 1.6 XD
@BShark said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@BeddieKU23 KJ's PER should be 14.6 not 1.6 XD
Yupp typo, fixed
@BeddieKU23 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@BShark said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@BeddieKU23 KJ's PER should be 14.6 not 1.6 XD
Yupp typo, fixed
I was like whoa that can't be right he hasn't been that bad and went to check lol
I will say things are going to get interesting when teams dare Juan/KJ to shoot it. We were somehow getting into the paint against Duke late. I think ultimately we will need 1-2 of Juan/Bob/MJ to show they can at least hit wide open threes.
The key around those 2 is ball movement. We seem to do well when we get Adams cutting the middle of a high pick and roll. If he's good for 4-8 pts a game on those kind of plays it's impactful in a full game.
Harris hasn't shot the ball well at all so far. At some point he'll have to make some perimeter shots. He's very streaky when it comes to that. So far he's done enough offensively but as scouting reports get more in-depth again we'll see teams adjust especially in conference play.
@Jethro said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Our defense is sensational. Juando is a big part of that. Our offense scores because Juando drops a whole bunch of dimes.
does he drop any quarters ? - -if he does I wanna pick em up lol
Juan looks hesitant when shooting the three he needs to shoot it with confidence like he practiced (or should have been) them all season.
No clue what he did but chucking 1000 threes a day and floaters should have been the requirement
Gradey needs more shots
Kj needs to just drive hard right every time. He’s so quick and built you can’t stop him. He did this one for a little one handed shot in the lane in the 2nd half and I about fell out of my chair. If he can do that we are legit modern ball
@kuballin10 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Juan looks hesitant when shooting the three he needs to shoot it with confidence like he practiced (or should have been) them all season.
No clue what he did but chucking 1000 threes a day and floaters should have been the requirement
Gradey needs more shots
Kj needs to just drive hard right every time. He’s so quick and built you can’t stop him. He did this one for a little one handed shot in the lane in the 2nd half and I about fell out of my chair. If he can do that we are legit modern ball
KJ looked good on the pnr. The poor guy suffers from Tyrannosaurus rex arms, and is very good defensively, so if he can make a few shots, then his value increases a lot, imo.
@kuballin10 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Juan looks hesitant when shooting the three he needs to shoot it with confidence like he practiced (or should have been) them all season.
No clue what he did but chucking 1000 threes a day and floaters should have been the requirement
Gradey needs more shots
Kj needs to just drive hard right every time. He’s so quick and built you can’t stop him. He did this one for a little one handed shot in the lane in the 2nd half and I about fell out of my chair. If he can do that we are legit modern ball
If KJ somehow becomes a threat to score we will be very dangerous.
Updated for the Southern U win..
Jalen is elite. Jank has been shutdown for the season to protect his draft stock:beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:
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Jalen might hit 1000 by end of December at this rate
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Updated post Bahamas Tourney. Not that great...
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Kenpom. In the Self Era this team is slightly better so far then the 20/21 Covid squad. 2nd lowest rated squad in the Self era. The other 3 teams with similar rating, did not win the Big-12. Something to monitor for expectations.
Wonder what practice will be like this week.
How much practicing will they actually do?
Recap since Friday- Friday night game. Fly home Saturday, film, rest, maybe a light walk through? Practice for Texas Southern Sunday. Game tonight. Tuesday, rest/ etc. Wednesday practice for Seton Hall, Game Thursday.
I know I'm not expecting much uptick this week given injuries and what not.
@BeddieKU23 Heroic of Jank to step in in a tough situation and tank his PER. Really gonna hurt his draft stock, but still elite.
@BeddieKU23 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
How much practicing will they actually do?
Recap since Friday- Friday night game. Fly home Saturday, film, rest, maybe a light walk through? Practice for Texas Southern Sunday. Game tonight. Tuesday, rest/ etc. Wednesday practice for Seton Hall, Game Thursday.
I know I'm not expecting much uptick this week given injuries and what not.
If anything we want to make sure they are rested for tonight.
Wondering if they upped his NIL deal in order for him to enter the game. Protect him at all cost.
@BShark said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@BeddieKU23 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
How much practicing will they actually do?
Recap since Friday- Friday night game. Fly home Saturday, film, rest, maybe a light walk through? Practice for Texas Southern Sunday. Game tonight. Tuesday, rest/ etc. Wednesday practice for Seton Hall, Game Thursday.
I know I'm not expecting much uptick this week given injuries and what not.
If anything we want to make sure they are rested for tonight.
Yeah Tejas Southern shouldn't challenge us but these guys are tired and that's not going to change in 2 days. I would expect to see the same level of play that we just saw in the Bahamas. Some good, some bad and a lot in the middle
Practice time during the school year generally is so limited they won’t do much.
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Jalen getting close to 1,000 real fast. Going to be very interesting to start tracking how high he can climb up the list. Zach has yet to score this season in 37 minutes, major disappointment there.
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Big jump for MJ Rice after the 19 point outburst. We'd all love to see that unleashed more going forward. Udeh is trending hard in the wrong direction.
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You know by now they didn't leave till 6 am sun?
Really surprised to see Jank as our 4th best player. He'd been so strongly leading in the early games. It just goes to show how razor thin the margin between superstar and walk on really are. Injuries really put him in a tough spot the last few games and missing that 3 was just a critical error that could have long lasting implications for his future stock.
@benshawks08 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Really surprised to see Jank as our 4th best player. He'd been so strongly leading in the early games. It just goes to show how razor thin the margin between superstar and walk on really are. Injuries really put him in a tough spot the last few games and missing that 3 was just a critical error that could have long lasting implications for his future stock.
I'm thinking of starting a " don't yank the Jank" fanclub.
Guessing he wanted a mulligan on that 3 attempt
Right now on Kenpom the Big-12 has 8 of the top 30 defenses in the country.
Only Baylor #75 is outside the Top 40. Baylor has the #2 ranked Offense so Jekyll/Hyde going on.
On Offense only 2 Big-12 teams are in the Top 30 not including KU. Expanding out to the Top 50, only 6 teams.
There is going to be a lot of 52-48 type games in the Big-12 if these trends continue
Still things to work out but as of right now...
I looked up similar team profiles to the current KU team on Torvik. Unsurprisingly 2019 and 2021 KU are listed. Self one of the few coaches that even wins a tournament game. Some teams missed the tournament like 2018 LVille and PSU.
Things could change if we can get some bench production out of Joe/MJ, or really anything out of the 5 spot but that's what it looks like at the moment.
Dusted this one out, Kenpom comps in the Self Era. Look how similar this years team is to a few others. This might be our ceiling (hopefully not) but it is an early warning of what might be. This is a bottom 4 squad since Self has been here so far.
@BeddieKU23 Feels right to me unless we start getting bench production. I feel fairly confident we won't win the league.
I'm fairly excited for next year, depending on who stays.
@Crimsonorblue22 Texas has a legitimate chance to go undefeated in league play but I'd guess they lose 1-2.
Texas has looked sharp, athletic at every position and outside shooting hasn't hurt them, yet. They play Creighton & Illinois back to back. The game they beat Gonzaga stands out & if they play at that level it will be difficult to match them.
Convenient in the Big-12 schedule, KU travels to Texas for the last regular season game which could also have championship implications on the line.
@Jethro said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@benshawks08 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Really surprised to see Jank as our 4th best player. He'd been so strongly leading in the early games. It just goes to show how razor thin the margin between superstar and walk on really are. Injuries really put him in a tough spot the last few games and missing that 3 was just a critical error that could have long lasting implications for his future stock.
I'm thinking of starting a " don't yank the Jank" fanclub.
Unfortunately, I'm afraid not yanking the Jank is what brought us here. I mean, I'm still a fan, but the numbers now show he is actually only the 4th best player on the team instead of a statistical superstar destined for the league. The numbers still don't lie. With that said, based on the numbers I would still start him next game.
@BeddieKU23 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
My days of doubting Self winning the league are long gone. I don't think we are in any position to win the league currently, but we'll see how this month goes. League play is where Self always finds a way to get the upper hand.
While it is unrealistic to expect any of our current bigs to develop at the same speed or get to the same level as Embiid, with time and effort, most bigs get better at Kansas. I think freshman Doke is a good comparison for Udeh. He doesn't have the same dominating presence on size alone, but his length and athleticism can be special if properly directed.
I thought Udeh reminded me of young Dave the last 2 weeks. They are completely different players but the immaturity they show on the court is/was similar at this stage. Udeh likes to take himself out of every play by jumping for blocks he can't make or misjudging offensive rebounds/putbacks which then has him out of position for basically everything. He needs a ton of practice working on screens as well.
I can't lie I've been really disappointed with Ernest but I had some higher expectations coming in then I probably should have. He's sped up and being asked to play before he's ready so it's not his fault per say. I knew he was raw coming in but had the right tools to mold. If we had an experienced post player like we are used to having he probably only sees mop up minutes so having him out there before he's seasoned enough is what we are currently seeing. He just looks so wild out there and not in a good way. I know in due time he'll be fine.
KU's freshmen bigs are raw. Very raw. I knew Udeh was raw. I thought Ejifor was a bit more polished, but he is more raw than I expected from his HS performances. We may get something from them in spurts, but I don't expect much consistency from them.
One of the tough transitions for bigs from HS to college, especially P5, is that the guards are tons better than what they are used to seeing. You think you can block a shot because HS guards can't hit that floater. Guys in college can, and they are good at baiting you out of position (or into a foul) by hesitating that split second, or lofting the ball just out of your reach. They will draw you up the lane, then hit the cutter behind you where most HS players can't make that pass, or don't have a teammate with the awareness to cut into that open area. That's why a good freshman big is so startling, and why those types of players usually aren't in college for very long.
I think both Ejifor and Udeh will be good eventually. I think they will both help KU win games this year. But there will also be moments where you want to throw the remote because they are so raw and will make mistakes. But they have to play. Self can't give in to the temptation to just ride his perimeter guys. He needs Ejifor and Udeh because he will need their size. Clemence too, because he's the only one of those three that has an offensive game other than "lob threat" right now.
@benshawks08 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@Jethro said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@benshawks08 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Really surprised to see Jank as our 4th best player. He'd been so strongly leading in the early games. It just goes to show how razor thin the margin between superstar and walk on really are. Injuries really put him in a tough spot the last few games and missing that 3 was just a critical error that could have long lasting implications for his future stock.
I'm thinking of starting a " don't yank the Jank" fanclub.
Unfortunately, I'm afraid not yanking the Jank is what brought us here. I mean, I'm still a fan, but the numbers now show he is actually only the 4th best player on the team instead of a statistical superstar destined for the league. The numbers still don't lie. With that said, based on the numbers I would still start him next game.
I wouldn't. They'd take the ball away from him and dunk in his face.
Based on the numbers, my starters would be Wilson, Dick, Ejiofor, Jank, and Harris. I'd bring Rice in as the first wing off the bench with McCullar getting similar time as a 7th man and use Adams as the first big off the bench. Again, based on the numbers.
Not Kenpom but stat related. A couple of things that sticking out in our conference: - -the most obvious - -we suck with our free throws, don't understand that - - 62.3 - -DEAD LAST - 2nd in Conference in assists , kind of weird after had been hearing about our rebounding -we are 3rd in Conference the 3rd best rebounding team. - - 3rd best & 4th in blocks- -couple of area's I didn't think we would do that well at taking care of the ball- -- negative other then our free throw % 7th in conference in Fg, --- 5th in - -3pt shooting
OK...trivia question. Who has more dunks this season? Juando or Jalen?
@BShark said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@Jethro Well Jalen has 0 so I'd say Juan.
Trick question- they're both tied ... with ZERO.
O-fer this season. In the past, Juando has had a couple memorable dunks (OK, maybe just one). Wilson has no memorable dunks. Wilson's legs are huge, like oaken logs, solid for horizontal movement or cabin construction, but like lead weights for leaping.
On the other hand, Selden clanked more dunks off the rim than the two of them combined have made dunks
@BShark said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
If KJ somehow becomes a threat to score we will be very dangerous.
If KJ had just a bit more polishing he would be outrageously lethal in the post... and also against footers.
What he lacks in size he makes up with strength, speed, and hustle.
Give him some post moves.. head/body/ball fakes... knowledge how to use his body to go into the defenders and then create just enough scoring space...
He would foul out all but a few 5s and all 5s would be afraid to guard him.
And he would OWN the boards!
Yes... that lethal!
Hey KJ... you out there? Read the book about Chab (Charles Barkley)!
My question: when is this team going to become even mildly prolific at lobs? Holy smoly, guys...
Stats are tools and useful to some degree... but somewhere they lose value... kind of like driverless cars. So the car approaches an intersection with someone running a red light... there is a 70 yr old woman crossing with her groceries and a skateboarder boarding across... which does it decide to potentially kill?
@drgnslayr Are you saying you don't agree with my proposed starting line up using statistics only? Wow. That hurts.
@drgnslayr said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@BShark said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
If KJ somehow becomes a threat to score we will be very dangerous.
If KJ had just a bit more polishing he would be outrageously lethal in the post... and also against footers.
What he lacks in size he makes up with strength, speed, and hustle.
Give him some post moves.. head/body/ball fakes... knowledge how to use his body to go into the defenders and then create just enough scoring space...
He would foul out all but a few 5s and all 5s would be afraid to guard him.
And he would OWN the boards!
Yes... that lethal!
Hey KJ... you out there? Read the book about Chab (Charles Barkley)!
I think a large part of us being better with KJ is simply the fact that he isn't playing inside. If you are posting a guy up he better be good at it. This way we keep the paint open.
I think rebounding will always be an issue for him. He tries so that isn't the issue.
@BShark Exactly, effort isn't the issue. But it might be about WHEN he tries. He goes after rebounds but is almost never in position to get a rebound. This could be a result of him playing outside of the pain on purpose to open up the lane for drives or just not doing his work early enough when the shot goes up or even earlier.
@drgnslayr said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
My question: when is this team going to become even mildly prolific at lobs? Holy smoly, guys...
I think they should calm down on the lob until they practice it some more. Execution of that play has lacked because of chemistry etc. I don't think our guards have done a good job of selling the lob and I don't think our bigs have done a good job of catching and finishing either. It's looked rough lately especially since teams know its coming
@BeddieKU23 They looked good the first few games but since then the defense has been playing more to stop the lob than the actual guy with the ball. We've thrown them anyway.
We have to remember KJ hasn't spent a lot of time playing or practicing exclusively as the 5 so I do think some of his issues are still comfort and game reps. Rebounding is not a strength of his and its weird because we never have to question effort but you do wonder what additional effort it will take to get him to be more effective
Yup film has hurt them recently. I think it comes from teams not respecting our guards to finish at the rim. Harris is getting a paint touch and he's probably looking to dish it. Bobby hasn't been a scorer at all and really likes to look for that lob when he gets to the middle of the paint area. Yesufu is the guy I think a defense would respect to shoot it and is someone that would have an easier time baiting the big to hedge a step more to set it up. I just think they need practice to figure it out
@BeddieKU23 Offensive rebounding is more of an effort stat and he is fine there. Dave was a better offensive rebounder as well but he wasn't abysmal defensively.
For sure KJ is pretty good at those 50/50 balls on offense.
I think Dave's size especially in the latter parts of his Jr & Sr seasons became a factor with him rebounding better. He got smarter and through game reps he learned positioning.
KJ doesn't have that luxury (size) & he's playing out of position first and foremost. Game reps and experience though should sharpen him a bit with boarding
Being undersized helps on the offensive boards, but hurts on the defensive glass.
On defensive rebounds, you have to get physical with your man and box him out. Trouble is, if you are significantly undersized (and at 6-7, KJ is very undersized for a 5), it can be hard to hold that position because you have to move that guy out, otherwise you don't have an advantage when the ball comes off the rim.
On offensive rebounds, though, being undersized doesn't necessarily hurt you because you can get off box outs with your quickness and hit gaps to knife in for rebounds before guys can make contact with you. Having big guys always helps on the glass, but it helps more on defense because if you get superior position, you have an advantage.
@BeddieKU23 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
I think they should calm down on the lob until they practice it some more. Execution of that play has lacked because of chemistry etc. I don’t think our guards have done a good job of selling the lob and I don’t think our bigs have done a good job of catching and finishing either. It’s looked rough lately especially since teams know its coming
It's just a great indicator of how far we are away from playing good team offense. Timing, spacing, connecting... these guys need practice time... but down the road... wow, what potential!
KJ is out of position for most rebounds because we use him on ball screens. And then he should slash better to the boards on the shot and understand where rebounds are going to go. The great rebounders see the shot and have a very good idea of where it will go.
He should take advantage of his build. Being short, but built strong, can help him because his center of gravity is low. Wish he had a bigger butt, though. Stick it out there and create spacing! lol
I'm celebrating the game tonight by watching it on my new 85" tv! No more squinting on a 75"er! lol
@drgnslayr said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@BeddieKU23 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
I think they should calm down on the lob until they practice it some more. Execution of that play has lacked because of chemistry etc. I don’t think our guards have done a good job of selling the lob and I don’t think our bigs have done a good job of catching and finishing either. It’s looked rough lately especially since teams know its coming
It's just a great indicator of how far we are away from playing good team offense. Timing, spacing, connecting... these guys need practice time... but down the road... wow, what potential!
We saw some improved lob play last night. I also think Seton Hall did a poor job defensively against that. We'll get teams as we've seen already that won't fall for it but it was nice to see improvement there
Updated post Seton Hall Shellacking
PER's
Udeh the biggest riser after his 10pt performance. Adams also saw a nice bump. After averaging 11.25 on the PER his first two seasons, Harris at 17.9 really lets you know how much his game has improved this season. Harris is first in the Big-12 in Assists, Steals, Steals per game.
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Jalen Wilson needs 51 points to join the 1,000 pt scoring club. He'll get there in the next 2-3 games. Zach still with a goose egg on the season.
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The next time I watch one of our 3 pt shots come up short while the shooter stays outside the arc, I am probably going to hurt myself hitting the tv.
The only person who has direct knowledge of a shot's likely distance is the shooter. Follow your short shot, get the rebound.
@mayjay said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
The next time I watch one of our 3 pt shots come up short while the shooter stays outside the arc, I am probably going to hurt myself hitting the tv.
The only person who has direct knowledge of a shot's likely distance is the shooter. Follow your short shot, get the rebound.
I’d guess coaching and game plan come into play here. Self has likely drilled into their heads that certain positions/players have to or be ready to leak back to stop any breaks.
Two positive notes on 3 pt shooting so far.
Jalen Wilson is well on his way to a career year shooting from 3. Currently at 35.7% on 20 makes, he had 40 makes as a freshman & 30 makes as a Sophomore. We are 9 games into the season and he's already halfway to his career best. He's improved his shot a lot. I also think he's capable of shooting 75%+ from the line, currently at 73%. Jalen's already been to the FT line 56 times & is on pace for over 200 attempts on the season which would double his career best.
McCullar sitting at 37% from 3 on the season (10/27). As a career 30% shooter from 3 before coming to KU this is huge. His shot looked great last night from the right corner. Also trending to set career best marks on makes and %. Positive stuff for Kevin.
After last yr, I am really pleasantly surprised with JW! I think Och was a great influence on him.
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The next time I watch one of our 3 pt shots come up short while the shooter stays outside the arc, I am probably going to hurt myself hitting the tv.
The only person who has direct knowledge of a shot's likely distance is the shooter. Follow your short shot, get the rebound.
Guaranteed that's deliberate on Self's part as part of his team philosophy for this season. No team, unless they're just absolutely clueless, which this group isn't, is that bad without it being intentional strategy to get back on defense.
Self usually has a number he sends back, depending on who they play.
@Texas-Hawk-10 I would buy that explanation if the shooters were breaking the other way. They have just been stanfing there until the ball clanks. Often they get tovthe other end after the ball. Thus...grrrrr.
Updated post Methzu beatdown!! Everyone likes us again. Thanks Methy!
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Jalen continues his torrid pace. He is 6th in D1 in scoring at 22.1ppg, 32nd in rebounds per game at 9.4 per. Top 3 player in the Country and its not debatable anymore. He has a great shot at 1,000 points Saturday against Indiana.
Harris is tied for 8th nationally in assists per game. Gradey Dick is 6th nationally in freshman scoring per game. Kevin has a legit shot at 1,000 point club this season with his recent play.
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JANK's 3 put him back on top where he belongs. Kevin is rising quickly to really good status.
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I wonder if Jank got extra points for the range of the three he hit? That thing was DEEP!! It was clearly a message that he’s still ready for the league.
Based on these stats I’d consider benching Harris and starting Jank in his place next game.
Little surprised KJ didn’t get more of a bump.
Ken Pom is not to be trusted.
What's the o/u for Jalen's first dunk?
@wissox said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Ken Pom is not to be trusted.
You certainly can't predict results from his list. I'm always baffled where he comes up with strength of schedule. He has us 44th, and has Purdue 25th. We have played Dook, Wisconsin and Tennessee. Purdue has played Dook, Gonzaga, and Marquette. So, throw out Dook since we both beat them, and you have Tenn (6th) vs. Gonzaga (15th), and we have Wisky (22nd), vs. Marquette (unranked). They've also played a 2-9 FSU team. And they're 19 spots ahead of us.
@Jethro Yes, the SOS thing is baffling. It really doesn't like teams that play defense is my observation. Wisconsin plays D but doesn't exactly play UNLV Tarkball. So currently they sit 35th, while they have a 3-1 record against teams ahead of them, with the 1 loss of course being the OT defeat to us. Obviously then Wake Forest says well we beat Wiscy and they're up there ahead of us so what gives? It's why, I think, there needs to be some human element, as there is of course. I hate Iowa as much as any college out there and KP loves them. Iowa hasn't visited the Sweet 16 since last century, heck, last millenium. Yet KP will keep them up there.
Should be a fun update. :D
Should be a fun update. :cigarette:
@BeddieKU23 Last few games have really changed the outlook with the computers. Great to have Self back.
I of course cheated and already looked but figure this thread is your thing.
I think it matters WHEN we both played who we played. I'm not sure if it crystalizes our opponent's ranking at the time we play them and then weights that moving forward... or goes back on our earlier opponents and updates their current ranking and applies it to our game?
Then it matters how our opponents' opponents perform... and in theory, our opponents' opponents' opponents... and so on and so forth.
Sounds complicated... and it is... but a computer can mash any numbers you want so you can manipulate it and tell the story you want it to tell. Ooops... I gave away the punchline! lol
IU fans raving about the Phog experience. It just blew them away:
As promised, update after the Blowout victory over Indiana. That was fun!
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Jalen is 16 pts from 1,000. He definitely didn't have his best performance Saturday. If he did Indiana would have started the bus home a lot earlier.
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Cam Makes one shot and now he thinks he's Jank!
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This is now a Top 10 Self Era team via Kenpom. Movin on up
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Thanks for putting together this data.
Gradey and Jalen have VERY STRONG PER for non-bigs. Really insane for Gradey considering he is mostly a jump shooter too (I know he does some other things here and there but mostly).
McCullar has 14 steals in his last 3 games. He's turning out to be an amazing pick up.
Creating the 3 headed monster at Wing. Self the last 2 years has bullied teams with elite wing play throwing waves of 6'6-6'8 wings at teams and there's nothing they can do about it.
Kevin is a big reason why this team is trending up. He still has his moments like early in the Indiana game, but he's been better than I even imagined. He wasn't this good at Tech, flashed but has really thrived here so far.
Yeah its crazy the balance they have right now according to PER. Bobby saw a nice jump from this past game in really his first extended minutes of the season. He's capable of ascending up to the level others are at.
Harris at 18.6 is crazy, +7 from his career avg there. Let's you know how good he is playing. Adams, same deal, +5 from a year ago. McCullar +4.5 from last season. These guys have improved a lot
@BeddieKU23 Kevin is finally playing for a real coach :relieved_face:
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@BeddieKU23 Kevin is finally playing for a real coach :relieved_face:
Ooof, that's good and so true
I know it's early, but I like this team way more than last years team at the same time. Tyler Hansborough called us out as the hottest team in the nation right now, and I agree. The team speed and quickness, the passing, the smart basketball decisions make this a formidable foe. Also, we replaced one clutch scorer ( Remy ) with another clutch scorer ( Dick ). And if Zuby can continue to make strides, along with KJ's breakout, I think we're set at the 5.
As unfortunate as it may be, a shot at repeating hinges on Bill finding something consistent from the bench.
If Zuby can give you 6 ppg a night and defend, that is all we need. And then one of MJ/Bobby/Yes have to become a consistent piece off of the bench. I'm a big Joe fan, but I really think MJ should be getting those minutes. I'm sure there is some stuff behind the scenes there (not sure if it is effort or attitude) but MJ just brings more to the table. He can finish in transition, he can switch defenders, and he is an elite athlete.
On the bright side, Joe isn't THAT bad (we moan but he's a pretty solid bench piece tbh). I just think a comfortable MJ in March is way more dangerous than Joe. I thought after the 19 points and 22 minutes he got vs. Texas Southern we were about to see some more of him. But that apparently wasn't enough to get him out of the dog house...
If we flame out early and the bench only gives us like 2 points, this will be a season we ask "what if" about Bill's usage of MJ. I really don't understand him getting 6 total minutes in the last 2 games we won running away with it, but Bill is the GOAT for a reason. I will do my best to not whine about it, hoping that Bill has a plan to go back to back.
I think we know why MJ has not been playing much. When you see how unselfish our team played and what the results were from that, that's a big reason why. Gotta be sharing!
Sometimes, the actions this team runs reminds me of Golden State. I don't think it's a coincidence.
@Crimsonorblue22 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
I think we know why MJ has not been playing much. When you see how unselfish our team played and what the results were from that, that's a big reason why. Gotta be sharing!
While I definitely agree, I don't think benching him is going to encourage him to shoot less. He needs to play more and realize that the points will come from moving the ball.
He's not Cheik Diallo selfish... And he seems to say the right things when he gets interviewed. I just think he's pressing because he expected to be playing. Just my thoughts from the few hours we get to watch these guys each week.
I’m glad we finally have a big challenging for best player on the team with cam up there. He and Jank are clearly starters that self needs to get more playing time for. We talk about needing bench scoring. It’s right there with two elite players (statistically speaking) languishing at the very end of the bench.
@Kcmatt7 in all honesty I don’t think selfishness is really the problem. It’s that the ball sticks when it gets to him. He’s still catching the ball, then thinking, then making a decision. Bill doesn’t mind if guys shoot open shots but he hates when the ball doesn’t move. The only guy that gets to stand a dribble is Harris and that’s because you know he is setting up the action for everyone else, directing traffic, getting the ball screens, etc. everyone else on the floors job is to move and when the get the ball keep it moving whether that is toward the basket or with a shot or a drive, or swinging the ball to the second and third or even fourth side of the floor. That’s what I’ve noticed is missing when MJ plays.
I think Udeh and zuby have been caught in that blender of ball movement and rotation as well as the other guys move it so fast it’s hard to keep up and be in the right spot.
It’s honestly astounding that Gradey and McCullar have both been able to play that way so far.
Same is true on defense. Bill demands you not only guard your man but react immediately to help and rotate. Help the helper. His best teams help the helpers helper.
The young guys are still in thinking then acting mode instead of reacting or even anticipating. I wouldn’t be surprised to see MJ have a few breakout games in February or March ala Malik Newman.
I used to be one of Self's biggest critics.... afterall.... I knew what was best for our team! (lol)
But I changed my perspective and stepped more out of my bubble. It wasn't just that Self won his second national trophy (but it definitely adds to it). It wasn't just Self's amazing conference title streak (that may never be broken again in D1). Instead... over these past years I feel like I have a better grasp on Self himself.
I'm not about to pull out a Bill Self prayer rug here... though I do idolize his achievements. For quite some time I have realized that "hey, whatever it is he is doing... it is working!" That goes a long ways!
My old perspective was; how do I think we can improve to create more wins, more titles.
My new perspective is; I trust in Self and I'm going to be open to try to understand what he is doing and why is he winning so much!
Is the glass half empty or half full? Are you still harping on our loss to Tennessee? That came at a perfect time and we are already seeing fruit from that loss!
Self does want to play his bench more. I trust his word on that. I also trust when he decides to use it or not. We are about a third of our way way through this season with the best (and hardest) to come... I feel like we are ahead of schedule. Not sure if we are ready for conference play, but do we ever feel ready? The 5-spot needs time to resolve... but just look at how we are getting good production from that spot now!
@benshawks08 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
He’s still catching the ball, then thinking, then making a decision.
In football, that would be the punt returner who freezes and gets only 1/2 yard despite not getting hit until a full 2 seconds after catching the ball.
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Big jump in polls. I guess you demolish a ranked team you jump in rankings.
I think the Tennessee loss is too fresh in my memory to anoint this team as a repeat threat. It has been fun to watch however.
@benshawks08 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
It’s honestly astounding that Gradey and McCullar have both been able to play that way so far.
It’s honestly astounding that Gradey and McCullar have both been able to play that way so far. So true.
People are forgetting that MJ has been hurt and missed a good chunk of practice. A little like Remy did last year. It's going to take some time before he gets it figured out. It wouldn't surprise me to see him have a break out game soon.
@Jethro totally agree and MOST guys don’t figure it out at Kansas right away.
What freshmen or transfers have really gotten it right away?
Off the top of my head I’ve got Kevin and Gradey, Dotson, sherron, oubre maybe but certainly not to the level of McCullar and Gradey. Who am I missing?
@Kcmatt7 don't get me wrong! We need him! He just needs to focus on D, passing and boarding. Get the ball moving to both sides. No sightseeing. Gradey is doing that, if he does that they will get him the ball. I'm sure they are drilling that into him in practice. If he's smart he'll listen to coach!⭐️🌾🌾
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We need to change the perspective that Joe needs to score. The guy can play, let him play if he scores or not. He definitely can play okay on defense and he has a great set of wheels.
When a player knows his minutes are determined by how many points he scores the pressure makes him play forced... over-thinking, stiff, and making mistakes. His play looks forced and sometimes he is taking forced shots.
This strategy is simply not going to work. Change the perspective on him and watch him step up, big time! Joe is a quality player that is in a place he shouldn't be.
Unshackle him and watch what happens!
@drgnslayr said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
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We need to change the perspective that Joe needs to score. The guy can play, let him play if he scores or not. He definitely can play okay on defense and he has a great set of wheels.
When a player knows his minutes are determined by how many points he scores the pressure makes him play forced... over-thinking, stiff, and making mistakes. His play looks forced and sometimes he is taking forced shots.
This strategy is simply not going to work. Change the perspective on him and watch him step up, big time! Joe is a quality player that is in a place he shouldn't be.
Unshackle him and watch what happens!
The stats do not agree fwiw. Maybe it would change with more minutes but the problem is he is at his best when he is ball dominant. Not what we want when we have Dajuan.
I was skeptical on Dajuan last year. When he made some crazy layup, or shot, I was worried that it was fools gold and he'd think he can do something like that again and it wouldn't work out because it was a very low-percentage shot to take. But he was steady and played within himself all season and the rest is history.
Fast forward to Saturday. The game had tightened up the second half. And in a span of less than 2 minutes, Dajaun put the game away. Pretty much by himself.
13:53 Dajuan Harris Jr. made Layup. 38 52
13:29 Dajuan Harris Jr. Steal. 38 52
13:24 Kevin McCullar Jr. made Layup. Assisted by Dajuan Harris Jr.. 38 54
13:10 Jalen Hood-Schifino made Free Throw. 39 54
13:10 Jalen Hood-Schifino made Free Throw. 40 54
12:54 Dajuan Harris Jr. made Jumper. 40 56
12:42 Trayce Jackson-Davis missed Layup. 40 56
12:26 Dajuan Harris Jr. made Jumper. 40 58
Timeout Indiana.
And this stretch didn't include any of his spectacular highlight-reel passes. He has come a long way in my mind and he legitimately must be one of the best PG in the country. He makes the guys around him better play after play and doesn't force shots.
I was high on Yesufu, and I think he'll be good, but he's not where Dajaun is. I'm as surprised as anyone at how good Dajaun is. He was fantastic on Saturday.
KJ was really good too.. Oh yeah, and Grady... but Dajuan was the glue and the difference maker in that pivotal 1:27 in the second half.
@bskeet Juan and McCullar are two of the most dominant players absent scoring in the sport. They just create good things all the time even if it’s not them putting it in the bucket.
I agree we’ll need MJ before it’s all said and done. He’s too good (and that word choice is on purpose, he’s good, not just talented) to be in a slump all year.
I said this in the game thread, but we’re not close to our ceiling. I’m very confident one bench but will emerge (who? Idk, Bill would love to know) and MJ will get better. Bobby is obviously showing flashes, he just needs time. Given that everyone kinda sucks, I think we have as good a shot as anyone. But that is not a good chance. There’s too much parity in the sport this year for anyone to feel good about their chances.
@FarmerJayhawk agreed that our chances are as good as anyone but still highly unlikely. Repeats just don’t happen that often and selfishly, I’d like this team to believe that no one thinks they can win this thing. Chips win Ships. Jalen was all in on the no one believed in us train last year and if we keep him there this year that can only be good for us.
@benshawks08 couldn’t agree more. I get the feeling this will be a season of many ebbs and flows, and whoever gets hot in March will win. Like some random school could make a run. Could be us? But, like you said, not likely. After all, this was supposed to be a bridge year.
Why couldn't it be us!
Stats are misleading. Heck... we should be starting Jank!
For the most part, Joe isn't passing the eye test. I'm not saying he shouldn't look for his shot... he should. Sometimes his stuff looks forced and it sticks out more when the rest of his team is playing like they are.
BTW: I'm a Joe fan!
Glad to see someone else think like me that we can win another title, back-to-back!
But it's a long season.... let's hope we stay healthy!
That Indiana game came at the right time... with us having to defend the paint. Spending the week working on that was not only brilliant but helping us for the entire year defend down low (which was questionable until now). We are starting to play like a really good Nova team!
@drgnslayr said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Stats are misleading. Heck... we should be starting Jank!
For the most part, Joe isn't passing the eye test. I'm not saying he shouldn't look for his shot... he should. Sometimes his stuff looks forced and it sticks out more when the rest of his team is playing like they are.
BTW: I'm a Joe fan!
I think he is okay but Self and this roster specifically are not a good fit for him.
Not a good fit right now... but like I said, relieve this idea he has to score a bunch of points. Joe has great wheels and body. He can be another great defender for us if he was focusing heavy on defense and then letting his shot come to him.
He's a guy that should represent quality bench depth... he's not so far away from being that. Change his focus and watch what happens.
@drgnslayr That's not his game though, very hard to change at this stage.
@drgnslayr I wouldn't disagree with that but I don't see it happening for Joe. At this point he has been here for over a season and Self has avoided playing him when possible.
@drgnslayr said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Glad to see someone else think like me that we can win another title, back-to-back!
But it's a long season.... let's hope we stay healthy!
That Indiana game came at the right time... with us having to defend the paint. Spending the week working on that was not only brilliant but helping us for the entire year defend down low (which was questionable until now). We are starting to play like a really good Nova team!
You’re right, it is definitely a possibility. Other teams have done, why couldn’t we?
I also like the Nova comparisons. As you and I have talked about numerous times, the size of the team you have doesn’t matter if the players are skilled enough to negate that disadvantage. That’s how Nova beat Roy in 2016 in spite of Carolina’s vastly superior post presence.
A couple things I saw in the final four that Self used that give me confidence going forward is the trapping and posting up guards, both classic staples of Jay Wrights teams that we ALWAYS struggled with, and now we are not only doing it to other teams but defeated Nova using their own game plan! That first half defense against Nova was literally a combo of the 2008 champs and Novas 2016 team - very impressive.
Oh this team can definitely repeat but it's too early in the season to worry about it. The last 3-4 games have shown us a real glimpse of how good we can be and there's several more layers I think this team can reach if certain guys continue to grind away. We may not have a perfect roster but our 1-5 can match just about anyone.
Right now KU has 4 starters good enough for First Team all Big 12. Voters would be lying to themselves if they didn't see this as realistic right now
@BeddieKU23 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Right now KU has 4 starters good enough for First Team all Big 12.
From your lips to God's ears. Now that would be incredible.
@drgnslayr said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Stats are misleading. Heck... we should be starting Jank!
For the most part, Joe isn't passing the eye test. I'm not saying he shouldn't look for his shot... he should. Sometimes his stuff looks forced and it sticks out more when the rest of his team is playing like they are.
BTW: I'm a Joe fan!
I don't understand why they don't clear out a lane to the basket, and let him drive, drive drive. The dude is lightning quick.
Your post is soooo spot on!
KJ :eyes:
@wissox He knows his role for sure. Dunks/lay-ups only. KU's offense being as solid as it is with so many non-shooters is pretty impressive and also says something about 5 out basketball in general. You basically shouldn't even be posting up guys unless they are scoring around 65% of the time. It's been a welcome change. I'm intrigued to see if it will stick or if it is because we just don't have a guy that can post up at all.
I'd be interested to play Tennessee again on full rest without Dajuan in foul trouble. Final four perhaps, heh.
@wissox They weren't super far off in terms of overall ratings. Tennessee has the #1 defense by a fair bit which we are probably helping by being so good after that. They apparently had a players meeting after the Tennessee game. I do think even despite the team being tired, Juan not being able to play was a big impact as well.
I remember the foul and how bad it got after it. But I'm still not sure we win. Last year I was similar in thought because Kentucky really embarrassed us. I thought after that loss there's no way that KU team is going to win the NC. Similar to 88 KU's win was paved with good fortune along the way. Playing Miami in Elite 8, injured Villanova in FF, 8th seed in NC game. We'll take the trophy and enjoy it as 'payment' for the Duke whistle in '86, the misfortune of playing red hot Arizona in without Hasse healthy, missing 18 of 32 FT's and losing by 3 in '03, the sting of Burke's bomb in 2013, the hurt of villanova owning us twice in their championship years, and even the dysfunctional unit that got embarrassed by USC, and not the least the terrible misfortune of losing a chance to show what we knew in 2020 when we knew we were going to win it all.
It's a good thing if we learn our lessons before March. Some years... even though we had a few losses during the season, we didn't learn the right lessons to improve by March.
No way in hell we win the NC last year without that in-house beat down by Kentucky. No way in hell!
The most-important games during the year are the ones we lose. Every loss is opportunity to learn and improve.
@wissox Gotta spin that better! Bills first Championship came against the first final four to feature all four one seeds. KU won the most recent championship when the final four was all blue bloods. Bill looked so masterful in doing so two all time greats immediately retired after the final four!!! 😝
@dylans that’s awesome when you think about it - both championships came when the final fours were mostly filled with blue bloods. Amazing when you think about it.
I’ve always thought, as others have too, that Bill was going to pull a Roy and really figure out the tourney later in his career and start racking up more final fours and championships later in his career. The last seven years have solidified that opinion and I still think he won’t retire until he wins one more title. He talked last tournament about us needing to win more championships, and I think in the next five years he does that, then rides off into the sunset.
@drgnslayr Great Comment! I've heard chatter with unbeaten teams or teams in a hot streak that their fans say 'we need to lose so we'll get better'. Horse Hockey as Sherman Potter would say! I don't believe it. I don't think you can say we don't win it all if we didn't get the wildcat lashing. I know it sounds kind of logical but not sure there's logic to it. Same players. What if it was close but we lost to them? Would that be a bonding type of loss too?
@dylans Great comment! I know my comment looks like I don't appreciate the championship very much. I do! It was a great thrill!
@HawkChamp Your comment is great too! Not sure how old you are but Dean Smith couldn't win the big one, neither could Coach K who was a nearly annual disappointment in the Final 4. But once the lid came off, those men succeeded a few times each.
Of course Iowa is not going to benefit at all from losing to Eastern Illinois University the alma mater of Sean Payton whom I saw play against KU in 85 or 86, and Tony Romo. Other than them Mattoon is just famous for corn. Iowa is going to endure taunts and mockery for decades to come.
The team has admitted to a complete gut check after that Kentucky beatdown.
That told them just how far off they were from competing at the highest level.
Do I hope we lose games? Only if we need to. If we were playing at that Final Four level earlier we may not need to lose.
This is where it benefits from being a Jayhawk and with a HOF coach. We are expected to be the best. Our guys don't fold up when down. They know they have to rise to the situation.
Heck.... look at Mizzou. They took a quick leap forward after we beat them down. We exposed where they were at the time of our game and they weren't up to snuff.
Gonzaga... they've had some great teams and Few is an excellent coach. But they used to have a real easy schedule, allowing them to lose no or almost no games until March. Now they play easily the toughest, or one of the toughest, pre-conference schedule. It should help them become a better ball club, especially in March.
Gosh... where would this team be without McCullar? He's a possession monster! Versus Harvard: 11 reb, 3 steals, 2 blocks...
@drgnslayr said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Gosh... where would this team be without McCullar? He's a possession monster! Versus Harvard: 11 reb, 3 steals, 2 blocks...
Can’t upvote this enough! Huge benefit for the ‘Hawks!
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Torvik HAMMERED us. Makes sense given we didn't play a second of defense in the first half.
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@BShark said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Torvik HAMMERED us. Makes sense given we didn't play a second of defense in the first half.
We didn't, but they also made some hero ball shots. But we did also give up a lot of wide open looks from 3.
I don't think a lot of teams are beating Oklahoma St when they shoot 13/29 from 3. To our credit, we were 11/23 from 3. Two of those were from Harris.
ESPN has KU as the overall #1 seed right now for the tournament after UConn & Purdont's first losses of the seasons. Obv will be short lived if we don't take care of biz tonight
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Just more evidence that the Big 12 is the most dominant conference in ALL of Basketball - - The Big 12 --now ALL TEN TEAMS are in the top FORTY ratings of Kempon Ranking's -- the top FORTY. - -do we need to say anymore ?
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Jalen is just outside the Top 50 now all-time
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Update post Huggy Bear beat down.
Jalen is just outside the Top 50 now all-time
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pretending Jalen scores another 300 points by the end of the season, where does that put him?
Given we have 18 more games minimum and I would suspect at least 20 in reality (ie we win the first round of Big12 tournament and against our likely 15/16 seed opp) I don't think 300 more points is a stretch for him at all. That's 15 a game if we do which is close to his floor this year due to his volume.
Updated post OU win. What a comeback in ugly ugly fashion
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KJ up over 10 ppg, insane development right before our eyes.
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Zach above 0 now, yay.
Is Cuffe healthy?
Are Martin and Jank going pro? Is Cam the one minute LeBron?
Updated post Iowa St win!
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Jalen sits in 49th place all-time.
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KJ 1st in PER and 2nd in BPM among our rotation guys.
WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT???!
Can I go ahead and put my vote in for KJ as our MVP for the Season now lol ?
@BeddieKU23 lol, maybe? Love it! Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. Actually we have quite a few good guys on our team, Self does know how important chemistry is to success. I love how they share, that's why all stats even the ones that don't show up, matter.
They didn't even move KJ to the 5 until just before the season started. His improvements this year are remarkable and perhaps we are seeing it in real time during games because its the first time he's settled at one position. Impressive stuff
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Jalen passed LeGerald Vick for #48th all time on the scoring list. Jalen needs 18 points Saturday to pass David McCormack!
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Updated. Very painful one.
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The only positive- Jalen is now tied for 44th all-time in scoring with 1,156 points with Rick Suttle. Jalen can pass Svi & Aaron Miles tonight with another big game.
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Updating post big win in Rupp!
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Jalen passed Svi & Aaron Miles and now sits in 41st All-Time, 1 point behind Wayne Selden. Jalen will pass Selden, Jacque Vaughn, Greg Dreiling & Scot Pollard on Tuesday & then starts his chase towards the Top 30.
Jalen has 10 regular season games left + 2 guaranteed post season games currently. At his current scoring rate, he can pass Wilt Chamberlain for 27th all-time. More Big-12 tourney & NCAA tourney games could push him could get him closer to the Top 20.
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We are also ranked #1 on Kenpom. #1 Strength of Schedule.
Updated post lil brother beatdown
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Jalen is now 37th all-time in scoring after passing 4 guys. He needs 20 points against Iowa St to pass Steve Woodberry.
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Weird Kenpom thing this year (to me) is Shaka Smart coaching the best offensive team in basketball. Incredibly efficient scoring. Was always a "defense first" coach, at least how people looked at him after VCU.
Still can't figure out why he struggled so much at UT. Apparently not just a one-trick pony, and not a bad coach. I think he suffered a bit from turnover. Mo Bamba, Jarrett Allen, Jaxson Hayes, etc. Not excusing his inability to win despite landing elite talent, but certainly weird to see him succeed elsewhere.
@Kcmatt7 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Weird Kenpom thing this year (to me) is Shaka Smart coaching the best offensive team in basketball. Incredibly efficient scoring. Was always a "defense first" coach, at least how people looked at him after VCU.
Still can't figure out why he struggled so much at UT. Apparently not just a one-trick pony, and not a bad coach. I think he suffered a bit from turnover. Mo Bamba, Jarrett Allen, Jaxson Hayes, etc. Not excusing his inability to win despite landing elite talent, but certainly weird to see him succeed elsewhere.
I have pondered the same thing, and I think it may have something to do with landing Mo Bamba, Allen, Hayes, etc. All big men. I haven't seen them yet, but I'll bet he's back to running his 4 out like he did at VCU. I thought they looked big, slow and cumbersome at Texas.
@Jethro Maybe the pressure to showcase those guys for the NBA caused him to not make the team as good as it could be too. That is a tough thing to balance. Bill Self gets knocked for NOT doing a good job of this, and that's part of the reason he doesn't get nearly as many top 5 guys anymore. It really takes special freshman to play for Bill Self early.
I feel like anyone who is willing to get into bed with OADs understands that you have to do that to an extent though. Selling your soul a bit to get talent in the door.
Yeah its crazy. Does he have some offensive guru on staff with him at Marquette? They had a good offense last year and then lost their two best players & somehow, they are better this year.
Perhaps he's just evolved and figured he needed to change to survive. Also, he has one of the best point guards in the country Tyler Kolek that has improved leaps and bounds as a facilitator and playmaker. Things are clicking for them.
@BeddieKU23 I really hadn't paid attention to them. I just see the Kenpom stuff and can't help but see that Marquette team stick out...
I'll have to make a point to watch a Marquette game before March.
@Kcmatt7 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Weird Kenpom thing this year (to me) is Shaka Smart coaching the best offensive team in basketball. Incredibly efficient scoring. Was always a "defense first" coach, at least how people looked at him after VCU.
Still can't figure out why he struggled so much at UT. Apparently not just a one-trick pony, and not a bad coach. I think he suffered a bit from turnover. Mo Bamba, Jarrett Allen, Jaxson Hayes, etc. Not excusing his inability to win despite landing elite talent, but certainly weird to see him succeed elsewhere.
Player retention is insanely underrated.
I'm perfectly fine with how Self is attacking recruiting and roster management these days, avoiding the sure-fire 1-year HS guys and targeting those guys likely to stick around a few years. We know what works here and what doesn't. I mean he's had success with 1-year dudes too but it's just not his bread and butter.
Self might be a hard coach to play for but I've yet to really hear of a player that didn't benefit from his coaching. In fact, the opposite tends to happen.
We used to worry so much about Duke or UK's recruiting classes and now it's like why bother, those teams aren't winning anything with freshman. The transfer portal completely leveled the playing field and made experienced players more valuable. Guys from lower levels are not at a disadvantage anymore it seems when leveling up. Things have changed so fast
@Kcmatt7 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@BeddieKU23 I really hadn't paid attention to them. I just see the Kenpom stuff and can't help but see that Marquette team stick out...
I'll have to make a point to watch a Marquette game before March.
Yeah same I need to catch some of their games. #1 offense with that roster is something. At least in recent games it's not if they are scoring 90 every night but shooting 50% as a team is really good. If KU was shooting close to 50% as a team they have 1-2 losses tops. I wonder if they can sustain it.
@BeddieKU23 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
I'm perfectly fine with how Self is attacking recruiting and roster management these days, avoiding the sure-fire 1-year HS guys and targeting those guys likely to stick around a few years. We know what works here and what doesn't. I mean he's had success with 1-year dudes too but it's just not his bread and butter.
Self might be a hard coach to play for but I've yet to really hear of a player that didn't benefit from his coaching. In fact, the opposite tends to happen.
We used to worry so much about Duke or UK's recruiting classes and now it's like why bother, those teams aren't winning anything with freshman. The transfer portal completely leveled the playing field and made experienced players more valuable. Guys from lower levels are not at a disadvantage anymore it seems when leveling up. Things have changed so fast
I'd pause to say Self has completely avoided the OAD's. When the Rice recruitment started, we didn’t know if he'd ever make it to Lawrence and Gradey Dick was also a projected 1st round pick for quite awhile before he committed, but he's also a local kid who wanted to play here so that may be an exception.
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@Kcmatt7 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@BeddieKU23 I really hadn't paid attention to them. I just see the Kenpom stuff and can't help but see that Marquette team stick out...
I'll have to make a point to watch a Marquette game before March.
Yeah same I need to catch some of their games. #1 offense with that roster is something. At least in recent games it's not if they are scoring 90 every night but shooting 50% as a team is really good. If KU was shooting close to 50% as a team they have 1-2 losses tops. I wonder if they can sustain it.
They blitzed Baylor. Barely lost at Purdue. Have losses to good teams and some really nice wins. Shaka's best team ever. They're on FS1 at 1pm tomorrow.
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@Jethro Are you being snarky or just forgot that Shaka don't coach there anymore?
I was talking about Marquette.
Here is the comment I was replying to:
"Yeah same I need to catch some of their games. #1 offense with that roster is something. At least in recent games it’s not if they are scoring 90 every night but shooting 50% as a team is really good. If KU was shooting close to 50% as a team they have 1-2 losses tops. I wonder if they can sustain it."
Updated post huge win against Tejas.
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Jalen moved up 1 spot to 36th all-time passing Steve Woodberry. Jerod Haase is now in Jalen's sights after an off game against Texas, needs 16 points Saturday to move into 35th place. Eric Chenowith & Jo Jo White are next up.
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Did we really drop in the Kenpom rankings after a win vs. the #10 team?
They are 11th on KenPom as of this morning. I am 99% sure that is what they were before the game as well. So no movement.
Pretty crazy to win against a top 10 team when your best player plays his worst game of the season. BPMs were wild last night. Never a good stat for one game but it does tell the story of the game. I don't think Joe's success is sustainable but I think most of use would be happy with around half of that consistently.
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@BShark The production isn't necessarily stable but the energy should be.
Think it was a big factor for Joe and MJ knowing they would get real minutes by default.
Creighton has won 7 in a row to go from 9-8 to 16-8 and is now up to 12th on Kenpom.
Really unfortunate that we missed out on Scheierman. Would have been the perfect fit for this season imo. Rebounding, shooting, passing, etc. Guy does it all.
Going back to the preseason they have been in the hype mix. Fell off and coming back in. Shrug.
With our victory last night, our record against Quad 1 opponents goes to 12-5, which is the most wins against Quad 1 opponents in the nation. 2nd place ( Texas) has 10. Quad 1 & 2 record: 15-5. We are the only Div 1 team that has zero losses to unranked teams.
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With our victory last night, our record against Quad 1 opponents goes to 12-5, which is the most wins against Quad 1 opponents in the nation. 2nd place ( Texas) has 10. Quad 1 & 2 record: 15-5. We are the only Div 1 team that has zero losses to unranked teams.
Here’s to hoping Okie St doesn’t get ranked on Monday!
Updated for the big OU win!
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Jalen now sits in #35th place all-time on the scoring list. He can realistically pass Eric Chenowith & Jo-Jo White on Tuesday night.
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FYI Kenpom currently rates this as the 16th best team in the Self era.
If we look at prior teams around this one (3 above, 3 below), you have everything from a 1st round exit to a Final 4.
Also will mention, 3 of those 4 teams below this group did not win the league.
@BeddieKU23 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
FYI Kenpom currently rates this as the 16th best team in the Self era.
If we look at prior teams around this one (3 above, 3 below), you have everything from a 1st round exit to a Final 4.
Also will mention, 3 of those 4 teams below this group did not win the league.
I do think this team is pretty gritty. You definitely have to kill them and I would expect max effort in any tournament game.
Talent wise that does feel about right.
Updates are always fun after big wins!
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Jalen is tied for 34th all-time now with 1,281 points. He will pass Jo Jo White on Saturday for 33rd.
He is currently 35 points away from going into 32nd place, 62 pts away from passing Mario Chalmers for 31st & 91 points away from passing Marcus Morris for 30th all-time. Jalen will most likely finish somewhere in the 20-30 range. His current avg has him on pace for 28th all time without accounting for extra games in the Big-12 tourney & NCAA's.
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Up to 7th! Top 15 off and d. WOW!
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@BShark Doesn’t look too flattering to anyone. I don’t see anyone projected to snag even 3 wins
I think this team gets to the 2nd weekend but it is some interesting perspective. One of these teams (2018 PSU) missed the tournament entirely. Bill navigating this to a 1 or 2 seed is insane. I will also add Udeh playing more could change the calculus.
@BeddieKU23 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Right now, Kenpom's 12th ranked team in the Self era. The teams closest to that all won the Big-12. Tourney- 2nd round, Sweet 16, Final Four appearances.
Definitely on an upswing. Feels like earlier on this team was closer to the worst teams of the Self era.
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Right now, Kenpom's 12th ranked team in the Self era. The teams closest to that all won the Big-12. Tourney- 2nd round, Sweet 16, Final Four appearances.
Definitely on an upswing. Feels like earlier on this team was closer to the worst teams of the Self era.
TBH their numbers are still a bit behind where I think this team is. The last 4 games have shown that.
UPDATE- BAYLOR WIN
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Jalen is now in 33rd place passing Jo Jo White. Tonight he can pass Walter Wesley for 32nd place with 14 points.
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Right now, Kenpom's 12th ranked team in the Self era. The teams closest to that all won the Big-12. Tourney- 2nd round, Sweet 16, Final Four appearances.
Definitely on an upswing. Feels like earlier on this team was closer to the worst teams of the Self era.
TBH their numbers are still a bit behind where I think this team is. The last 4 games have shown that.
Yea what a weird squad this year. At times, they could beat anyone in the country by 20. At other times, it feels like they could lose in the 2nd round.
I really don't know what this team's kryptonite is other than playing a team with some athletic wings (think Timmy Allen). I'm a little worried about facing another dominant big man, but I also think that KJ's ability and Udeh's development makes me not nearly as worried about that.
Yeah I have no idea what our kryptonite is either.
I want to say Athletic guards that can create 1 vs 1 & facing good rebounding teams.
I think we've seen we can negate an inside size advantage now with the presence of Udeh. We also have had success limiting guys like Jackon-Davis etc as well.
At the end of the day I think this team sinks and swims with Dejuan Harris's offense and defense. He's a total game changer when aggressive on both ends.
I think health is the kryptonite. We now have 7-8 pieces in place. If they can all be at 100% in the tourney, sweet 16 is the floor. We don’t have any bad losses. We can and will beat teams that are not on our level.
My concern would be if the starters get worn down significantly or straight up injured we could get mediocre real fast. That’s how we lose in the first weekend. Severe fatigue or injury.
Harris and Kev have me most worried because they’ve been “knicked up” and “getting treatment” fairly regularly this last month.
Honestly, winning out (would need a big win tonight) the regular season probably guarantees us a #1 seed.
Wouldn't hurt my feelings if Bill rested some guys in the Conference Tourney after that. Bill did that with Dave last year, only played 10 minutes in game 1, 13 minutes in game 2, and then played the championship fully.
Bobby, Joe and Rice get a lot of run in the conference tourney if that #1 seed is locked up makes a lot of sense to me. Rest Kev and Juan.
I worry that cold shooting is our kryptonite (though we've won plenty of games this season despite significant stretches of minutes with a lid on the bucket, and even though we're a hell of a shooting team). It's just that cold shooting at the wrong time deflates us - drains our Mojo, as @drgnslayr might say it - and brings out this team's first-half-Baylor energy, the Dr. Jekyll to our 2nd-half-Baylor Mr. Hyde. Also...the right combination of foul probz has done/could do something similar - Juan and Jalen on the bench for long.
But maybe this is all just sayin' bad luck is our kryptonite.
I honestly believe the fellas are their own kryptonite. Mentally. It's all mental. I had a rec league team(yes I know there is no comparison) but hear me out. They would play sluggish, slow, and very uninspired unless I sent them out there to press, press ,press. Then they got energized and it mentally made everything they did just that much quicker and easier. This team. Defensive mentality sparks it all. Get out there and just heckle the hell out of the ball and it just intensifies everything they can do. Without it we look steps(yes plural) slow, uninspired, and frankly not very talented. They must take a defensive (they don't score, they don't get the rebound) mindset into the game. Then they look like and could very possibly be National Champions. Might be damn fun to watch. Stay tuned
UPDATE. GRITTY WIN ON THE ROAD
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Jalen's off game keeps him in 33rd place 7 points off 32nd place.
Kevin approaching 1,000 points for his career with 970. While he didn't earn a bulk of his points here, he's a Jayhawk forever. That dude bleeds here.
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Now a Top 10 defense, finally catching on Ken. Their D is better then 9th too FYI.
Gradey is currently 8th all time for points in a FR season at KU. Will pass Rush and Dotson in the regular season barring a disaster. A chance to end up 4th behind Wiggs/BMac/Josh depending on tournament runs.
@BShark it’s interesting from the standpoint that I think this team would mop the floor with 19 team no question. The 2019 doesn’t make the NCAA tournament with anyone but BS coaching it. Feel the same way about the 2021 team. I used to be big on these metrics and stats but you can never predict anything with them IMO. TCU shooting insane in AFH is the prime example.
@kjayhawks That 2021 team was so bad I became apathetic towards basketball that season. We got robbed of at least a final four by covid in 2020 then in 2021 just a horrible team limited on talent and never seemed to get what it took. So thankful for the 2022 team. 2021 was a dark time.
I don't know. That 18-19 team with a healthy Doke could have made noise. Then you had the Vick drama to go with it. The talent was there to be good.
The 2021 team was BAD.
The 21 team is undoubtedly Self's worst here. The only one to not finish top 25 kenpom. I agree a lot of coaches would miss the tournament with that roster. Were they expecting Dotson back??! It was baffling to not have a PG.
@BShark I honestly think they were and as much as I like Dot he made a huge mistake leaving early. Guys that are projected first rounders I have zero problem with going. But Dot went undrafted and has played in only 28 games this far in the NBA averaging less than 7 minutes in those 28 games. He’s been bouncing around the G-league for 3 years. I don’t think he ever would’ve been lottery with his size but could’ve seen him going late first round/early second if he stayed another year to work on his shot.
Some more Stats. Who doesn't like Stats. Stats! Stats!
KU has 2 remaining home games. Under Coach Self, KU is 38-0 in the final 2 home games of the season. Pretty good win record for the next two!
KU in conference play- leading the Big-12 in 2 pt field goal defense and 2nd in defensive rebounding.
Baylor's defense is currently the worst defense in the Big-12 in the last 4 years. Keep doing what you're doing Scottie.
@BShark And that is with Jalen struggling... He's shooting 36% from the field on 64 shots during this stretch and 23% from deep.
It feels like this team is SOOO close to clicking 100%. Kevin is finally back to being the gritty ball player we know he is. Gradey's shot is back. DaJuan has found a nice balance of scoring and passing. KJ continues to just be Mr. Consistent. Udeh has found a way to contribute. The bench guards have all been playable.
If we can get the good JWill back for the tourney we are a legit contender.
I miss Dave, but I don't miss this:
@Kcmatt7 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@BShark And that is with Jalen struggling... He's shooting 36% from the field on 64 shots during this stretch and 23% from deep.
It feels like this team is SOOO close to clicking 100%. Kevin is finally back to being the gritty ball player we know he is. Gradey's shot is back. DaJuan has found a nice balance of scoring and passing. KJ continues to just be Mr. Consistent. Udeh has found a way to contribute. The bench guards have all been playable.
If we can get the good JWill back for the tourney we are a legit contender.
He's pressing. Opinion: he wants it so bad, he is playing a step sped up. Slow down, let the game come to you, and you'll be fine, JW. I'm calling it - 30 against WVU.
My opinion of Jalen lately!
Anyone able to find a good update of top coaches performances in the NCAA Tournament? Like I found Self is 46-16 at Kansas and 55-21 overall. That's a pretty solid win percentage that has to be close to the top ever if not at least top over the span of his career.
Guess I must be ready for March... lol
Found this: not sure how reliable it is as a source… also, doesn’t give win percentages.
https://www.rookieroad.com/march-madness/coaches-with-the-most-march-madness-game-wins-6644016/ ↗
@benshawks08 Looks to be a least a year out of date. Bill should be one spot higher assuming the rest is correct!
@BShark said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
I knew we were on a heater but whewwww
Who is he claiming had a better 2.5 weeks? Alabama? They lost a game; I must be missing something.
Update!
Points-
Jalen moved into 32nd place and now sets his aim at Mario Chalmers for 31st. He needs 22 points on Senior Night to pass him.
Kevin is also closing in on 1,000, he needs 15 points on Senior Night to reach the 1,000 point club.
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Kenpom, Torvik
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Bracket Matrix, Sagarin, Massey
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Here's so more fun stats after the West Virginia Game.
KU is 10-0 when shooting 50% from the field this year. 293-12 in the Self Era.
KU improved to 184-26 when scoring 70-70 points & 110-46 when allowing 70-79 points in the Self Era.
Harris moved into a tie with Sherron Collins for 23rd all time on the steals list.
Gradey Dick is now 4th among KU freshman in 3 point makes (71) attempts (170). He's also 9th all time for field goals made with 145.
Bill Self playing on Saturdays- 204-56. Self in February- 126-32. Self on ESPN 183-62.
KU has 12 conference wins for the 23rd straight season. Self has 24 wins in 18 of his 20 seasons at KU.
KU is 8-1 this season in games decided by 5 points or less. 122-52 in Self Era, 48-10 at Allen Fieldhouse.
KU has a 39-game win streak on Senior Night.
How is the player efficiency rating determined? Udeh having a PER of 22 on a night his +/- was negative is not exactly what I’d expect.
I can't seem to figure out how WVU is so highly rated in the Net and in Kenpom. Playing a tough schedule is definitely a key. But winning some of those games would seem to be a premium.
@cragarhawk It’s like the year KU had Wiggins and Embiid. KU was ranked high even though they lost nearly all the games to the top ranked teams that year. -Almost all the losses were to good teams, but you’d think you’d have to beat one to earn a high ranking yourself.
Being a Kansas homer I still think with a healthy Embiid KU makes noise that March.
Update. We are CHAMPS!!!!
Points-
Jalen ties Mario Chalmers for 31st all-time on the scoring list.
Jalen needs 31 points to pass Marcus Morris for 30th, 34 to pass Adonis Jordan & 37 points to pass Richard Scott for 28th.
Kevin has exactly 1,000 points getting the most important one late in the game. Kev, what a play.
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Kenpom-
Still doesn't like us.
@BeddieKU23 Saw a thing that we are still within the Kenpom Rankings that match all of the most recent champions. Something about top 27 D and top 37 O I think.
@dylans said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@cragarhawk It’s like the year KU had Wiggins and Embiid. KU was ranked high even though they lost nearly all the games to the top ranked teams that year. -Almost all the losses were to good teams, but you’d think you’d have to beat one to earn a high ranking yourself.
Being a Kansas homer I still think with a healthy Embiid KU makes noise that March.
No point guard.
@cragarhawk I don’t think that Wiggins didn’t care. He just isn’t an alpha, which is too bad. He could be dominating.
If you like stats, here's some more.
If Bill Self wins the final 10 games of the season, he would pass Phog Allen as the winningest coach in KU history.
Bill Self has been a 4 seed or better in the NCAA Tournament every year. The streak will continue.
If Bill Self were a university, he would rank 9th all time in conference championships. CJ Moore gets credit for this.
Bill has won 17 titles in 20 years at KU.
Coach K won 13 conference championships in 42 years, Roy won 13 ACC+Big-12 titles in 33 years, Izzo has won 10 Big-10 titles in 28 years.
Harris is now tied for 22nd all time in steals
KU is 23-0 this season when leading with under 5:00 minutes left, 533-18 in the Self Era.
Pretty crazy, KU's last 8 wins against Texas Tech have all been under single digits.
@BeddieKU23 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Pretty crazy, KU’s last 8 wins against Texas Tech have all been under single digits.
Like fractions?
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@BeddieKU23 Bill Self had now been the coach of KU for 16% of their years as well. Basketball is a young sport. Kinda cool to be able to remember such a large chunk of the entire history of basketball.
Update post West Virginia win
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Jalen now sits in 28th place all-time. He is 48 points away from passing Wilt Chamberlain for 27th. With a deep run in the tourney he can creep up further at his current scoring avg.
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Harris is now 21st all time in steals passing Nick Collison.
Gradey is now 2nd all time for made 3's from a freshman. Needs 3 more to pass Jeff Boschee.
KU has now won 13 of its last 15 B12 tourney games
Jalen is now 14th all time in rebounds at KU.
@BeddieKU23 KU has now won 13 of its last 15 B12 tourney games
While Faylor has lost 7 of their last 8. Yikes
@benshawks08 Seems fluky…with that NC and those 6 wins they average less than 2 NCAA tournament w’s per year over the last 7 appearances.
Update:
Points-
Jalen passed Wilt Chamberlain for 27th all time on the scoring list. He needs 43 points to pass Brandon Rush for 26th.
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In the Self era this ranks as the #15th best team via Kenpom.
There are 6 teams this current team compares with. When Self's offenses are in the 20's, his defense has always been good. 5 of 6 were Top 11 Kenpom on defense.
Here are the finishes for those 6 teams- 2 (lost in 2nd round), 2 (lost in Sweet 16), 1 (Elite 8), 1 (Championship game, 2011-12).
@BeddieKU23 GENEROUS to include those two better teams. I think this team really closely matches the 2nd round loss/S16 teams though.
Matches the eye test. They are good, but definitely not a dominant team. Could lose in the round of 32, could win the whole thing.
Update: Howard Dub out the way.
Some important Milestones for Gradey Dick and Jalen Wilson.
Gradey became #1 in 3 pointers made for a KU freshman passing Jeff Boschee who had 79, Gradey has 82 now. Gradey also hit 500 points as a freshman which now has him in 4th place all-time for a KU freshman.
Jalen Wilson surpassed 700 points for the season becoming only the 11th Jawhawk to do so. Jalen has now scored 20+ in 6 straight games as he continues to climb the all-time scoring chart. He needs 23 points on Saturday to move into 26th place.
Update: End of a great season is here, way too soon for my liking!
Jalen finishes in 27th place on the All-Time Scoring list with 1475 points, 3 short of passing Brandon Rush. Congrats Jalen, you are a KU legend! Remarkable transformation this man made. He truly understood what it meant to be a Jayhawk!
Dajuan Harris will be on 1,000 point scoring club watch next season. He's at 606 points total, scoring a career best 320 points this season.
KJ Adams scored 10x as many points this season as in his freshman season (38 to 380). He's poised for an even bigger role next year.
Kenpom rates this as the 16th best team in the Self era overall. 9th overall in the Country, 24th best Offense, 11th best Defense.
@BeddieKU23 Assuming KJs growth is linear and not exponential, he should only score 100 points per game next season.
@dylans said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@BeddieKU23 Assuming KJs growth is linear and not exponential, he should only score 100 points per game next season.
Maybe if we start him at the 4...
@dylans said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@BeddieKU23 Assuming KJs growth is linear and not exponential, he should only score 100 points per game next season.
That's my expectation as well😁