CBS broadcast. Raftery on the call, saw him post a video inside Allen yesterday.
Ernest Udeh returns to KU for the first time. He isn't lighting the world on fire for TCU so far but you can bet today will be different.
Conference opener. Let's start this gauntlet the right way
Ugg Raftery is east coast New Jersey annoying. Grating voice with no insight to the game. But in the positive side he will talk about someoneās balls, I mean onions at some point. Just a weird fascination he has.
Good grief I miss Max and Bob. Back when it didnāt matter who called the game on the tv, because the radio was always on. Hannini or whatever his name is just doesnāt do it for me, hopefully they will replace him before he ages out. Heās very young though so we may very well be stuck with him for a the next 30 years.
@BeddieKU23 Will be good to see some conference action! Canāt wait so remind Udeh what he turned his back to.
I road the bench for state title teams and started for losing teams. I know which was more fun for me and it wasnāt playing more.
I like Raftery. I like Hanni too. These are a few of my favorite things. Sounds like I'm starting a fight with Dylans, but I'm not!
Why doesn't the tech exist to sync the radio broadcast with the streaming game? Seems like it oughta be possible.
If the announcers get too annoying, I put up with the slight delay and listen to KU radio on my phoneā¦ extremely knowledgeable and biased towards us is nice. Too bad they donāt cover the big dance.
AI just needs to get a little better so I can request a live KU broadcast in Max Falkensteinās voice and speech pattern. With Bob Davis as his partner. I just canāt get past the horrible canned radio announcer voice of the new guy.
@dylans said in KU vs TCU game chat:
AI just needs to get a little better so I can request a live KU broadcast in Max Falkensteinās voice and speech pattern. With Bob Davis as his partner. I just canāt get pasted the horrible canned radio announcer voice of the new guy.
Hanni seems to have toned down the 1970's FM DJ voice from the back of the throat. Even if I get the radio and TV synced, something changes and it's off again. And, I can't post in real time on Buckets. So, I mute the TV announcers and don't miss much at all. 95% is worthless jabber anyway.
@dylans said in KU vs TCU game chat:
@BeddieKU23 Will be good to see some conference action! Canāt wait so remind Udeh what he turned his back to.
I road the bench for state title teams and started for losing teams. I know which was more fun for me and it wasnāt playing more.
Difference there is you didn't have realistic NBA expectations whereas Udeh did coming out of HS. Riding the bench at KU didn't seem like the best path forward for Udeh to achieve that goal. At the end of the day, for most of these players, college is a business to help players achieve professional goals. A lot of P5 players do end up playing professional basketball somewhere around the world once their college careers are finished.
@Texas-Hawk-10 I still think his best path to the NBA was thru Bill Self. There is a history of developing talent. Udeh is raw, he needs developed. Maybe TCU can do it, but I know Bill could. He just chose the path of least resistance to playing time. Not necessarily the best path to the nba. Time will tell if he develops or not.
And it could prove to be the right path even if he doesnāt develop into an nba talent; at least he can play the last few years he can. The NBA is a tough nut to crack, I donāt know if any of the current Jayhawks will even stick and they are better than him.
I hope to see much more of Johnny, Parker and Jamari. Much, much less of Nick.
I just want to win
TCU likes to score. This one could be a game our Offense is going to have to step up
Listening on the Jayhawk radio network since the early game is going long again.
Saw a reminder that this team walloped us last year in AFH. Also, watching this game waiting for ours I don't understand the scheduling of games for national TV. Why did these teams, both unranked get this exclusive treatment over other games? OU-ISU on ESPN+ for example should be a great game. South Carolina is 12-1 and unranked....hmmm, SOS anyone? Same with miss st. 11-2, not ranked. Although that crowd sounds loud enough I can pretty much guarantee there's thousands of empty seats there. I don't get it except i guess the SEC is that desired to televise.
So, I'm estimating the last 38 seconds will take more than 15 minutes to play. It's now 1:07.
@stoptheflop youre stuck watching this mississippi state s carolina game too?
Very excited to watch the end of this SEC mid-off
This game before ours blows. Run out the clock idiots
Naturally the game before kansas gets extended for as long as possible.
Rooting for Mississippi State now
Good news: KU's start is seems to be delayed.
215
Yeah I bet CBS holds our game since thereās no stream
I guarantee the highest rating period for this SC/MsSt game started at 1PM central.
Im getting more Jesus commercials these days. You guys too? Who is bankrolling Jesus commercials i wonder.
Sounds like they are moving to the KU game
Top notch cbs work
LFG
Get this game over already
Yay freethrows
yay timeouts
Why are they taking a timeout
Topeka channel switched to KU Kc did not
We'll be lucky if there is no post game crap
This is worse than getting three teeth pulled which I did the other day.
DONT FOUL GOOD LORD
5-0 us
Hate it when KU and Wisconsin tip at the exact same time.
Nobody guarding hunter
And they go to commercials lol
AND COMMERCIALS WHAT THE FRUIT
It's on here
@RockChalkinTexas Well I'm watching KU in case you're wondering! But with UW ranked, taping it is tougher because I'll see the scores.
CBS shows commercials with live action on going. #1stworldproblems
Good board kj
Again
KJ came to play
My CBS is a Sinclair station. Have to spread the lies
4 turnovers
KU might want to think about guarding the wide open 3s. My goodness KU leaves that shot open
Good more commercials
Good D, hunt getting around
@BeddieKU23 2 fouls š¤·āāļøš¤¦āāļø
All sped up
Heed the words of whatever Coach Owens told them!!
Be nice to get back on defense
Wobbly start
I thought I saw Nick Collision
Announcer āwe didnāt have no timeā
Hunt
Feed the big fella
5 turnovers in 5 minutes is not great
4 TOS already
Nice drive Kev
Kev has played TCU before don't forget
Dixon is a great coach at places itās not real easy to win
Ahhh bad pass
Nice Kevin
Kev looks good
The Furph isnāt scared
NICE PASS
Use the backboard, Johnny
Anyone can shoot it but not everyone can make it
Funny, Johnny passing it back to Parker thinking he was a guard
My ā¤ KJ
@stoptheflop said in KU vs TCU game chat:
Funny, Johnny passing it back to Parker thinking he was a guard
I about hurt myself on that one
Nice D, then great lob!
Just once I'd like to jump like KJ
Coach Drew charging out to the middle of the floor on the TO. KU good
Kj that was sick
Defense by Furphy there was real good.
Hunter with 9 Udeh has a personal foul.
We play fast we run em out
We play fast we run em out
That assist % is wild
š for Nick to do something
Bill must've spent a little too much time at Johnny's last night because this lineup is a choice
So Nick runs the point with Juan out? Not what I expected
Sherron
Announcers are a little obsessed with the KU turnover count
Sherron with the grab
KEV
Wow Kev, nice lonnngg 3!
With all of these liberal transfer rules they ought to let players use up their eligibility who leave early!
9 turnovers. Whew
Feed the Hunter machine without turning it over
Hunter eatin
I'd say Hunt is the one that needs to be fed
@DanR said in KU vs TCU game chat:
Announcers are a little obsessed with the KU turnover count
I'm pissed with KU's TO count, more than obsessed.
9 turnovers and 8 steals for tcu is the only reason this isn't close to a blowout
Juan and Jackson have yet to score. And only 1 bench pt. YIKES, KU's 3 guys against all of TCU
Nice feed
WooHoo
Dunkeroo
Wow KJ
BIG HUNT
Come on kev
@FarmerJayhawk said in KU vs TCU game chat:
BIG HUNT
Hunter 18 pts, 6 rbs; the man came to play and win
@BeddieKU23 trampoline
TCU is tough no doubt about that,
It was pointed out to me that Johnny Furphy looks exactly like this person ā from a 1998 disney channel original movie, and now I can't unsee it.
TCU moving the ball really well
Still, Hunter, KJ and Kev against 8 TCU scorers
KJās free throw stroke is looking smooth
Harris!
Half time lead works for me
Hunter missed 2 big shots there
Defense has not been good. Ball security bad. Iām curious to see the adjustments made at half.
Definitely beats our first half against them last year at this timeā¦ we went in down by 10
Just need to wake up a bit, with the turnovers and defense we are lucky to be ahead
Well at least it doesn't appear that Udeh will have a great game and beat KU.
2 observations from the 1st half. - -We have got to quit turning the ball over & we have got to get more scoring from three people, Well Furphy has ONE sooner or later that's gonna come back and bite you in the ass. - -Hunter came to play today
The adjustment on defense is to quit double teaming. So many mistakes with that
AFH doesn't seem to have the energy and noise I would expect for a team that beat our asses last year.
Are students back?
@stoptheflop students still on break for a bit I believe.
(Looked it up. Classes start the 16th)
TCU is actually doing a pretty good job of forcing a double team off the dribble-drive and cutting to the basket, but ya our defense needs to be better.
Jamie has got him a good team
It is unbelievably hot in here Iāll you that, we are dripping with sweat
West Virginia basketball took a nosedive. Yeesh
TCU seems to be playing with more energy and moving the ball very well. Our guys need to show better energy and step it up.
TCU shot 51.5%. I really hope our defense picks up in the second half
Elmarko lost on both
Furor in for some rebounding I hooe
Furph needs to play more
Welp
Harris has been awful
Freshman mistakes
Turnovers are starting to cost us
Juan finally
Nice job nick
Do we have ANYBODY that knows how to take care of the dam ball ?
Juan needs to be more aggressive. He is too passive today.
@AsadZ said in KU vs TCU game chat:
Juan needs to be more aggressive. He is too passive today.
I agree. Heās letting TCU mess up the offensive flow way too much
Boooooo
FURPH
Big time shot by furph
Johnny needs to play more. He's been throwing really good passes into Hunter today too
Very weak call on hunter there. Not impressed
Let's Go Bench!
This maybe the worse game Iāve seen Juan play
Wow , back and forth , back and forth we go, I'm tellin you I'm getting to old for this lol
This place is ready to get wild just need a steal and a dunk or 3
Or another trey from down under
Tyler is there!
@DanR said in KU vs TCU game chat:
Turnovers are starting to cost us
Dominating the offensive(+12) and defensive(+5) glass, but fewer shot attempts thanks to 14 TOs (to their 6)...
Time for a lob to KJ
TCU guys were ready to play.
KJ with 14 despite very little offense actually running thru him.
Hope that guy goes cold when it counts
Whatever johnny
@DanR said in KU vs TCU game chat:
Hope that guy goes cold when it counts
Yeah. Looking for regression to the mean for sure.
Insane shooting by TCU
Announcer jinx on them!
Dixon is a good coach but not sure if that fully explains why these guys play us so tough.
That's what we need. Some hustle
Dixon bitches about everything though
Nice pass, great steal
bang bang. McCullar is legit superhero
Nice play kev
@AsadZ said in KU vs TCU game chat:
Insane shooting by TCU
Actually, we are hitting almost 60%. Just way too many stupid TOs...
Lets go
Starters have 13 to's
TCUs D has not taken a moment off. Pretty much what they are known for.
D!
Nick man
Good grief Nick
I cant
Yeah even worse on replay
Bill is going to draw and quarter Nick
Alright
Nice finish KJ
Forcing passes and they know where we want to go.
KAY JAY
Good read
Nice d!
We could double down more often like kev did there. Those guys arenāt kicking it out
kinda glad we only play these guys once this year, just seems they play well here in the phog
That was a big possession and I feel like this one coming up is also big. Good that we're coming out of a time out. Let's get a 3 pt lead here and start putting the pressure on them to play from behind again
Need more plays for HD, he has been shut down by TCU
Everyone has their super bowl game vs us š¤¦āāļø
Do we play tcu 2x?
Hunter is not Kareem
@bskeet said in KU vs TCU game chat:
@Crimsonorblue22 said in KU vs TCU game chat:
Do we play tcu 2x?
only if in the post season tourney
And we don't have to play on that ugly floor!
El Marko ought to be fresh
And one ?
@DanR said in KU vs TCU game chat:
El Marko ought to be fresh
Fresh or stale, he hasn't done squat today...
Was out
maybe DeJuan is under the weather.
Way to hang, KJ
Atta boy Juan
TT is having an out of body experience
Lol sure kid
I feel like that's his last three. Clankers from here on out.
This dude averages 7 points a game and has 24 today
Can someone guard him?????
Hit the boards!
We need to play clean offense the rest of the way and force them to junk it up.
He did make 176 3s at his previous stop but still this is redic
@BeddieKU23 In how many years and where?
@bskeet said in KU vs TCU game chat:
@BeddieKU23 In how many years and where?
2 at much lower school
TCU looks more athletic.
If El Marko would grab a rebound with two hands and then keep track of the hottest guy on the floor, it would be nice.
this guy Kennison had been averaging 7 points a game. - -you might know he comes and plays against us and has the game of his life.- -Everyone seems like they play out their ass against us with 6 treys geez
will be interesting to see if Self puts Jamari on D to cover TT at some point down the stretch.
Jeez they should have furphy in there
Playing 4 on 5 with elmarko out there
Get Elmarko out
Awful
Nice D
part of TCU's strategy is to be super physical. Dixon's DNA
LET"S GO!
BS
weak
Soft
Thanks refs
allowing 80 points is not great.
They are in the double bonus. The next 3 for us will be front-ends...
A lot resting on KJ here
Yep
Towson
Cmon guys
I heard Nixon screaming for a timeout from my house
That was one of the biggest flops in history
We need Dub for @kjayhawks
Let's shut them down.
Box out
Time to roll in the Phog
El Marko is back in
TCU Targeting ElMarko
Nice forearm shiver
Put Johnny in?
Can we drawup a 3-point play here?
No need to hash this one win or lose. We know what happened.
Let hunter take a three
Flagrant
As usual don't value the ball
Physical
We've had stuff like that go against KU every damn time
That's intentional.
It's flagrant when an elbow goes above the neck. Whether intentional or not.
Let me elbow Nixon in the mouth and he can decide for himself
Miller got a cheap one too
They cut to the UNLV game for me lmao
THANK YOU FOR MAKING THE VERY OBVIOUS CALL
Play well for one minute please
Udeh learned how to set a good screen
NICE
It's only 3.4 seconds here and we lead by 2 ā¤
HUNTER
Don't foul!
Nice shot Juan!
Time to play some great D boys!!! No threes allowed!
@Crimsonorblue22 said in KU vs TCU game chat:
Nice shot Juan!
I might call it a wing and a prayer.... :)
DeJuan No No No YES!
Don't let Lord Tennyson shoot.
pressure off ball
Wowsa!
WOO HOO! Rock chalk, Udeh!
Damn what a game
Never in doubt amirite
Studs withstood an epic effort by TCU
Not starting league play in a hole is nice.
Way to get revenge and start conference
Whew
Gotta win all the home games, so this was big.
Hunterrr...........
How many times are we gonna hear about this call?
@Crimsonorblue22 said in KU vs TCU game chat:
How many times are we gonna hear about this call?
We'll, it was a HUGE break...
Hunter and DeJuan
Kind of ironic it was Udeh
Thank you Phog Allen.
Already know what's going to be talked about around the league- - - well you know your play 5-8 in Lawrence teams always get screws in the Phog , I can hear it now
He clearly hit him on the face
If ever there was a simple equation: HH > EU
@Crimsonorblue22 said in KU vs TCU game chat:
How many times are we gonna hear about this call?
A LOT you already know , it's going to gt a lot of attention
@jayballer67 Mainly because of the announcers. But the rules are clear on this and I've seen it called like that plenty of times before.
Gueldner thought it was a bad call
@AsadZ said in KU vs TCU game chat:
He clearly hit him on the face
you know that and they know that , but if you heard the announcers which is only going to add fuel, and to hear the rules guy say that thought it was simply play on it was a basketball move no intent intended
If he was reaching for the ball his arm would not have been going backwards. To me it looked like a move to clear space.
Thanks Udeh haha that last shot looked good man whew
Hunter sold it, but I've seen it adjuticated like that many times. There is always the discussion of whether it was intentional or not, but the officials are not supposed to speculate on that. (I'm not a rules expert, just reiterating what I've heard and read in the past.)
Hunter with 30pts???!?!?!?
This team is really good.
It used to be an auto flagrant. Weāve gotten jobbed on that many a time (see Smart, Marcus)
Once again , things tight late/on the line Juan who did nothing in the 1st half scores some huge baskets, think scores 10 in the 2nd half
@FarmerJayhawk Exactly! That's the first time I can recall us benefitting from that call. We're usually the one getting the shaft.
Makes up for flop on their end
KJ rebounding ball better and Coach still finds a way to deflect that say KJ and Hunter gotta get better rebounding the ball lol defensively - -Dam KJ with a double double 18/11
I thought the refs kept them in it personally, at one point it was 9-3 in the second half foul wise
Udeh with the game winner!
@kjayhawks TCU was driving it. KU wasnāt. Then the script flipped. How did it seem in person? Hope your kiddos had a blast!
We didn't rebound as well 2nd half.
Udeh looks very different, could not recognize him.
I am impressed by P Braun, he has exceeded my expectations coming into the season. He plays with great energy.
Self looks much calmer this year, no red face and not much yelling.
Perhaps this is the result of his recovery from last year's cardiac procedure.
@AsadZ said in KU vs TCU game chat:
I am impressed by P Braun, he has exceeded my expectations coming into the season. He plays with great energy.
And there seems to be organic chemistry between DeJuan and Parker. We know why, but that's a nice intangible.
Good to see Udeh still helping KU win games, lol!
Just got through listening to TCU postgame , Jamie really slick trying to play it cool about the calls or some of the calls without getting himself in trouble with the league. - -He would work his words around like talking about they was hoping they could get some traveling calls on some lobs, BUT the pass was right on the money, or he would say w was hoping we could work hard enough that we might get some calls for push in the back and yada , yada , yada -thought he was pretty slick on taking jabs about the officiating without getting in trouble
@Texas-Hawk-10 4 pt swing
@dylans it was good, turnovers were insane and TCU flopped often. Couple of the fouls they showed replays of probably fired up the fans more than the game. Kids loved it. I had to physically remove my daughter (5) from hugging baby Jay. She was upset he couldnāt come live with us lol. Always a good time in AFH. That last shot was close. The guy next to us thought it went in lol.
Iāll add #4 for them had a lethal step back, #11 can shoot lights out and they were freakishly long
@kjayhawks that last shot was pretty dang short.
Miller flopped, you could tell by the fans reaction. The foul they called on kj. Dixon teaches flopping.
Our turnovers kept them in the game. We should have won by at least 10 points if not more.
Coach has to impress upon the guys to take care of the ball.
@Crimsonorblue22 yep it was right online with the hoop and the net moved Think thatās all he saw lol, we were at a bad angle for that shot
@Crimsonorblue22 Doug Gottlieb chimed in on twitter, something about Bill Self getting calls.
All conference wins are good. Just look at the chaos today...
Jay Wright liked the call.
The neutral fans just want to see Kansas lose. I doubt they'd be nearly as irate if a TCU player had caught an elbow from Hunter, and TCU had gone on to win the game. In fact, just based on some of the comments I read about Hunter and KU, I'm betting a lot of people would be saying it was a good call, and calling Hunter a dirty player. But I won't be losing any sleep over it.
@KirkIsMyHinrich We are Kansas we only win because of the refs š¤£
@kjayhawks What are the odds we would get so many calls? Self should play the lottery!
@kjayhawks in football too. Ask UNLV.
@nuleafjhawk Cincy and Phil fans still griping today in The WPost about the NFL fixing it last year for the Chiefs.
Different question. Who were the 3 TCU male fans the TV kept showing? Big guys. Apparently they had seats in an upper corner.
One was the dad of the kid who shot the last shot. He played ball somewhere. Kid was Jameer Henson jr. I think. Copied and pasted
Son of Jameer and Imani Nelsonā¦ Has younger sisters Jamia, Jayden and Jayceā¦ Father, Jameer, starred at Saint Josephās University from 2000-04 before enjoying a 14-year NBA career, and is currently an Assistant GM with the Delaware Blue Coats.
Were going to be hearing quite a bit about that call for some time , I hate that things like that just take away from a really exciting game. 26 lead changes , can't remember how many ties. National media all over the call , Self said he thought it was clear -you have people like Jeff Goodman , -The guy Childress- --can't remember his first name , played college ball and another guy that have the field of 68 - -saying KU should not of Won that game it was a flop by Dickinson , how KU got help from the refs, - others saying that even a former ref said that it was a bad call, should of been a play on.
Even Micheal Swain our KU beat reporter said Hunter sold it, that it should of been a play on , but with Hunter laying on the floor for the time sold the call., Swin if this would of been a game on the road and Hunter swung the elbow it would of been a play on. - -It might not of been as a bad of look if it was at a different point of the game, but coming at the time it did and causing a dour point swing, resulting in a two point win, not a good look at all. -Did Hunter flop? - I think maybe to a certain degree thing is judt gives fuel to people- - -media and just adds more to the fire about how KU get's al kinds of help from whoever it takes when playing at the phog
If we don't get some home cooking in Allen at times then what's the point of a home court advantage. We see it happen to us all the time on the road so I will not lose sleep here.
The rule is clear and it was called. What sold it was Hunter, as Self said in the post game.
No different then Miller selling that foul on KJ or guys calling for the ball that goes out of bounds to be their ball when they know it's not. You influence the play however you can and Hunter did what he had to do to change the play so credit to him. Udeh being the guy that fouled is fitting because we know his antics and foul tendencies.
Wasn't even mentioned in either the ESPN site game recap or Kyle Boone's CBS article.
TCU is a good team, perhaps even a lot better then they are getting credit for in the rankings. They are top 25 in at least 7 team statistics including 8th in steals per game. Some of the turnovers were from TCU being a really good team at forcing turnovers with their traps and doubles.
They are just like KU but with more firepower from the perimeter at times. Nelson that comes off the bench is clearly a starter level guy and they are top 5 in experience in all of D-1.
Dixon has played KU tough the past 3-4 years and elevated to compete against us. He thumped us in Allen last year and the road games have always been difficult. I expected this game to be tough and it pushed us to the brink at home.
I like that this game kind of sets us up for the next couple games, unknown road game at UCF who will be looking for a bounce back after getting dismantled at K-ST and then a big one again next weekend with Oklahoma. They needed this kind of game to knock some rust off after only 5 games in the past month.
@Gorilla72 said in KU vs TCU game chat:
Different question. Who were the 3 TCU male fans the TV kept showing? Big guys. Apparently they had seats in an upper corner.
It was the father of one of the TCU guards. I'm guessing it was Tennyson since he was having a career day. But it could have been a different guard. ESPN showed the guard on the court then his father with admittedly not great seats.
We need a bit more production from bench, starters cannot play 35+ games in this brutal league.
Elmarko needs to step up, if shots are not falling, he needs to become a lockdown defender.
Without watching replay, his D looked soft yesterday.
Is Jamari in Self's doghouse, got yanked out quickly.
Jameer Nelson, former NBA player and St Joe's legend. His son Jr plays for TCU
The minutes played by our starters yesterday just can't be sustained over the rest of the season: Juan, 39 min.; Kevin, 38; KJ, 37; and Hunter, 35. And 24 wasted minutes by Elmarko, 0 pts. 0/4 shooting, 2 rbs and 2 assists. I understand the starters were needed yesterday against an inspired TCU team. Now that KU plays two games a week, we'll see how the playing time gets divided. Nick at the point yesterday was a complete surprise to me, even though it was only a minute. Parker could take some of KJ's minutes; I really think KU would benefit by giving him more minutes than the 5 he played yesterday.
@AsadZ said in KU vs TCU game chat:
Elmarko needs to step up, if shots are not falling, he needs to become a lockdown defender.
Without watching replay, his D looked soft yesterday.
Is Jamari in Self's doghouse, got yanked out quickly.
He got yanked out quickly because just had n sooner came into the game and I believe he was the one who made silly turnover with I think Double Dribble. Couldn't of picked a worse time to screw up that was one of the stretchs where Bill was trying to find that fifth guy, Furphy came in got yanked then Mcdowell came in and got yanked, Bill was not in a good mood during that stretch. They mentioned it either on the TV broadcast or Radio broadcast at that time
@stoptheflop said in KU vs TCU game chat:
The minutes played by our starters yesterday just can't be sustained over the rest of the season: Juan, 39 min.; Kevin, 38; KJ, 37; and Hunter, 35. And 24 wasted minutes by Elmarko, 0 pts. 0/4 shooting, 2 rbs and 2 assists. I understand the starters were needed yesterday against an inspired TCU team. Now that KU plays two games a week, we'll see how the playing time gets divided. Nick at the point yesterday was a complete surprise to me, even though it was only a minute. Parker could take some of KJ's minutes; I really think KU would benefit by giving him more minutes than the 5 he played yesterday.
I agree, they have just got to find/get some kind of minutes/production out of this bench , because of the physicality of this league we just can't continue to have the starters having to play those type of minutes. There is no way they won't wear down over the stretch of the Season. By the time the tourney rolls around they will be so exhausted.
Also they have just got to gt more scoring production out of other players - -Kevin , Hunter , & KJ had to do this all by themselves in the first half - -other then Johnny's ONE point . In the 2nd half others finally was able to get some contribution. - -Juan has just got to score or look to score more, - he has proven he can do it. Coach has said multiple times Juan is a reluctant shooter. I think maybe to a point other
He teams realize a lot of times when he drives baseline of course he isn't going to try and score - - going to try and kick it out, and I think part of the problem for his recent rise in turnover, stupid forced passes. He is capable - -someone has to step up. Three guys isn't going to get you to the promised land the deeper you go in the tourney we need others to produce more
@stoptheflop said in KU vs TCU game chat:
The minutes played by our starters yesterday just can't be sustained over the rest of the season: Juan, 39 min.; Kevin, 38; KJ, 37; and Hunter, 35. And 24 wasted minutes by Elmarko, 0 pts. 0/4 shooting, 2 rbs and 2 assists. I understand the starters were needed yesterday against an inspired TCU team. Now that KU plays two games a week, we'll see how the playing time gets divided. Nick at the point yesterday was a complete surprise to me, even though it was only a minute. Parker could take some of KJ's minutes; I really think KU would benefit by giving him more minutes than the 5 he played yesterday.
@stoptheflop I had to check the box score to see if Jackson recorded a stat besides a TO.
Iām wondering if Furphy is close to taking the 5th starting spot? Nick even.
@Crimsonorblue22 Nick looked good yesterday, had a couple of steals and was much better defensively. Iām kinda shocked that Jackson has a leash of 6 miles while the other youngsters have one thatās 6 inches. If he has a game like yesterday again, Iād start Timberlake or Furphy
If they counted how many times he gave up a basket he'd lead the team. Really poor defensive game from him yesterday and you could tell he was not having his best day. Nerves for conference opener. Hopefully he settles. We are just seeing the up and down for sure
Guess Fran lost his mind on X with the call. Itās odd to me why espn has him call our games. He is obviously super jealous of Self and canāt stand us. Can you imagine SEC football talking trash on Saban for 3/4s of the telecast.
@kjayhawks said in KU vs TCU game chat:
@Crimsonorblue22 Nick looked good yesterday, had a couple of steals and was much better defensively. Iām kinda shocked that Jackson has a leash of 6 miles while the other youngsters have one thatās 6 inches. If he has a game like yesterday again, Iād start Timberlake or Furphy
The problem is that we desperately need Elmarko to start and improve. Heās the only athletic small we have to help guard opposing smalls. We all love us some Furphy, but heās not that guy. Timberlake hasnāt proven to be that guy either. McCullar is great on D, but smaller quicker guys are tough to stick with.
So unless we are playing a bigger, slower team, I canāt see how Furphy starts.
And we know how Self feels about defendingā¦
@rockchalkjayhawk I donāt disagree with that assessment at all. I feel like Kevin disappeared for much of the second half yesterday. I trust Self and heās at practice everyday assessing these guys. But I do think our season hinges on these younger/bench guys developing into serviceable players at this level. I think Wednesday is a huge game because itās probably the weakest team left on our schedule. A good chance to rest starters as we prepare to play 2 games a week from here on out and some experience for Mari, Furphy and Elmarko.
Glad we are all on the same page that we need production from at least 5 guys, and a few good minutes from our bench.
First... let's remember this is our conference season opener... so it is new to all our newbie players. I wasn't expecting much from the Furphy, Timberlake, Jackson combo for this reason alone, plus add in TCU's ability to play us tough on our own court. TCU came in with energy, were well-prepared and had us properly scouted. Their attitudes were right on and I still can't believe we won this game.
Comparing these 3 in this one game I'd say Jackson was at the bottom. You could see his confidence was lacking and that not only hurts his play but also puts a damper on the rest of the team. Timberlake was up and down. Loved it when he was up! Furphy is young but I feel like he keeps his composure well. Furphy gives us another real rebounder. The biggest problem with all 3 players is their defense just isn't there. All teams are going to take it right to all 3. Furphy had 4 quick fouls because they took the ball to him. For this season, Jackson probably has the most defensive potential because of his athleticism... but he makes so many mental and newbie mistakes.
Self is going to have to engineer a defensive strategy to help prevent getting chewed up at that spot. It isn't enough to put these guys on the worst offensive players because they get nailed in switches and offer little weakside help.
While I'm being critical... I think the best way for us to help cover this weakness is to turn up our defense all the way around. I realize our guys play a lot of minutes, but our overall defensive intensity was low. It was our conference home-opener and we faced a team that thrashed us last year in AFH. We did not disrupt their offensive flow at all. And which team scored off their defense? Our fast break defense was lacking.
I'd rather see our starting 5 turn it up to 100% intensity and sub them out more regularly. Parker has been a nice surprise on defense. Jamari has been okay. I just think our low-intensity games are going to cost us big eventually and it also sets us up for bad habits.
Positives... Hunter and KJ! Wow! It wasn't one of Kevin's best games but he never stops hustling. Juan finally turned it up a little bit late. He needs to shoot the ball more.
We dodged a big bullet... let's all be thankful for that! The Udeh smack deserved the call. Can't believe what I heard from whats-his-name (the old ref) saying it was incidental play-through contact. BS. Udeh's arm went back while his play was moving forward. There was no reason for that motion. It was out of control and could have caused a lasting injury. I'm not going to claim it was intentional... I can't get in his head. Flagrant fouls don't relate to intention (and why they aren't called "intentional fouls"). By all definitions, this was a foul. His arm went out of control and it reminded me how rough his skills were when in Lawrence.
@drgnslayr ya it looked intentional and like an easy call live and at the game. Watching replays today, I donāt see the cause for an uproar. It was avoidable contact to the head or neck. Literally written that way in the rule book.
Do you possibly think, Self has no idea what Fran says on the air? The reason I say that is cause fran acts like they're best friends, like coach has him at his camps, practices, etc. He sucks up so bad! š¤¢š¤® fran also said that Hunter traveled on the winning layup when he clearly used a power dribble. He thought it was funny to add that after he said he agreed w/cbs expert, who clearly wasn't up on new rule.
Any kind of hit or blow to head can cause a head injury which is why they call these! With these head injuries they protect kids better than they use too, which is the right thing. We've had kids in our high school they have had more than 1 concussion in BB. Scary! So my point besides protecting them is they could miss a few games at the very least.
Udeh did apologize
Coach said our offense lead to their offense, meaning our TO's lead to 3 on 2's and 2 on 1's. Hard to guard those. Somebody said they knew a lot of our sets, anticipated our passes well.
Wasn't it last game or 1 before marko had his best game? They abused him yesterday! Athletic team. @kjayhawks how was the crowd when Udeh was introduced? I heard mixed.
@rockchalkjayhawk said in KU vs TCU game chat:
@kjayhawks said in KU vs TCU game chat:
@Crimsonorblue22 Nick looked good yesterday, had a couple of steals and was much better defensively. Iām kinda shocked that Jackson has a leash of 6 miles while the other youngsters have one thatās 6 inches. If he has a game like yesterday again, Iād start Timberlake or Furphy
The problem is that we desperately need Elmarko to start and improve. Heās the only athletic small we have to help guard opposing smalls. We all love us some Furphy, but heās not that guy. Timberlake hasnāt proven to be that guy either. McCullar is great on D, but smaller quicker guys are tough to stick with.
So unless we are playing a bigger, slower team, I canāt see how Furphy starts.
And we know how Self feels about defendingā¦
Agree that Furphy can't start, but would like to see him get 20 minutes a game at both the 3 and 4 for Kev and KJ...He has high Bball IQ, which can't really be taught, and he rebounds more aggressively than anyone else on the team...
@Crimsonorblue22 I read that he was cheered during introductions but booed during game
@Crimsonorblue22 there were more cheers than boos for Udeh for sure.
@DCHawker Iām all for more PT for Furphy! :)
I thought he was even aggressive with a rebound or two. Love it.
I was a bit sad that Self hooked Jamari after one nervous double dribble. Canāt grow accustomed to the game speed and intensity from the bench
And more Parker is a great idea. Give a few guys some rest. I honestly donāt get how stubborn Self can be at times. But, our scoring ability dips considerably without the 7 footer on the floor.
@rockchalkjayhawk thatās my deal with not letting anyone get a chance to play thru a mistake outside of Elmarko. 2 of Furphys fouls were garbage imo.
Even in the first half
This game will be much easier to evaluate at the end of the season.
My personal opinion: Hindsight will show that our turnovers are as much a credit to TCU's defense as to our sloppy play. Good defenses cause TOs. And TCU is well coached, so they have an edge on anticipating actions and lanes.
I think this will look like a good win in March.
Also, this was a 50-50 game throughout and we won. Neither team got or gave up a big lead. Winning that kind of game is always good!
Great post, agree on all. Biggest lead was 6 (KU) for either team. TCU is top 10 in the nation in steals. The way KU is generating offense this year is heavily influenced through passing (a reason assists are so high) with a lot less ISO ball so it's something KU will have to navigate and continue to improve on. There were certainly some careless mistakes made but a good chunk of turnovers came off good TCU defense. It is an area of concern though as Harris & is averaging a career worst 2.7 turnovers per game & his coach has been on him about that and other things more than a few times already this season. Some out of character mistakes from him at times this year. Hopefully it's something they get behind them and doesn't keep popping up.
I'm happy that Kevin is shooting and making his free throws with 78 made at a very nice 83.9% rate. This is 50 more makes than Hunter or KJ. Since Kevin came back to raise his draft stock, I guess, one thing the NBA tracks and values is percentage of finishes at the rim and it seems to me Kevin has an opportunity to get more "and ones" than he is getting now. No one is tougher than Kevin and he sacrifices himself every game but if he would complete say for comparisons sake two more at the rim makes and hit the free throw that adds two more points and would up his conference leading scoring average to 22.1 and get him even closer to first team AA status.