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Is starting tomorrow, per Self

I like the move a lot. The main 4 flow better with him. I also hope that Elmarko mainly just spills Juan now. We can't keep playing Juan 40 a night.

Yeah, it lets Marko play the role he was brought in for anyway

It's time...and maybe this lights a fire in Elmarko. ZERO shot attempts in a road conference game was unacceptable.

I pumped my fist in the air after reading it a few moments ago on 247. Elmarko is a great athlete and will be a good player for us but he just don’t look ready for B12 basketball right now. Sit him and dont play Juan and him at the same time. As I said in the UCF game chat, with two non scoring PGs in at once. They don’t have to play defense on 2 guys.

It's Furphinator Time

Furphy! Awesome. It will be interesting to see the defensive assignments with him and McCullar. At least before all the switching. I don’t remember how small and quick Oklahoma is, but that is the main concern with Furphy. Hoping at least that his arm length can keep dribblers within range. An odd argument I know, cuz I love the Furph, but this makes us even less athletic in a way. Furphy is an athlete for sure, but not small and quick.

I sure hope this helps.

And I hope Self figures out how to use Elmarko and rest Juan for a few minutes at times. Ha, then I hope that Elmarko can keep it simple. Point, pass.

Also a bit sad for Elmarko. Other than the UCF game, I thought he had some brighter moments and was starting to get it. A tiny bit at least.

Also we don't have a huge sample size yet but on evanmiya.com, the main four and Furphy has been our best 5 man group this year so far.

@rockchalkjayhawk It seemed that he was a step slow defensively in the past two games and really had a difficult time guarding his man.

@BShark said in The Furph:

Also we don't have a huge sample size yet but on evanmiya.com, the main four and Furphy has been our best 5 man group this year so far.

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Elmarko is still gonna get minutes and be a great player here, just hit a learning curve.

@BShark it kinda reminds of starting Braun in 19-20. Like we didn’t really have a 2 guard on that team. Point, wings, Doke

@kjayhawks said in The Furph:

Elmarko is still gonna get minutes and be a great player here, just hit a learning curve.

I’ve been trying to figure out what Elmarko brings to the table. I’m not sure what his strengths are. Ball handling? Defense is average. Can’t shoot. Doesn’t drive. Court vision? He is quick.

I think this is a vey obvious choice. I think Coach didn't want to yank Marko to fast, giving him every opportunity he could to get things straightened out. -- Now we are in Conference play, Coach realizes there comes a time you do what you got to do if he is not showing signs of improvement, these last two games for sure have been bad for Jackson, he has just looked baad.

I like the switch, Johnny ha shown the ability or non fear factor to at least make the attempt to score the ball which he can do and has shown he can , gets some rebounds, and I think it very well could help El Marko in the end run. Who knows maybe he won't feel as much pressure of starting at this point. Maybe him backing Juan can help ease him in a little bettr, just think this is a move tht makes a lot of sense- -gives us a solid starting five.- -Johnny is just scratching his surface, think he can be really good for us in time

@dylans said in The Furph:

@kjayhawks said in The Furph:

Elmarko is still gonna get minutes and be a great player here, just hit a learning curve.

I’ve been trying to figure out what Elmarko brings to the table. I’m not sure what his strengths are. Ball handling? Defense is average. Can’t shoot. Doesn’t drive. Court vision? He is quick.

Big issue is he plays the same position as Dajuan and pairing them is a total nightmare because it puts three non-shooters into your line-up.

I think there was a belief that Elmarko would be able to defend the #2 position better than others but was not getting noticeably better so enter the Furph who almost certainly brings more scoring. One question is will the Furph guard the on the wing or out front? I guess it will depend on the lineup both ours and theirs. Should be fun and more interesting I think. I hope we explode and Elmarko plays well for Juan.

@Zabudda Boom!

Furphy will have to watch his fouling! He tends to lean in after he gets beat. He's better and his long arms help just needs to move his feet and take sharper angles.

Furphy has the highest ceiling of the young guys IMO. Hes gonna have his struggles but hopefully by March is ready

Depending on matchups, I wouldn't be surprised if there are games where Elmarko plays more that Furphy... games where we need a guard more than a wing... But in general, I like how this team operated with Furphy starting.

He's so jumpy! Hi motor. He seems to be really coachable.

@Crimsonorblue22 Furph is the man and not afraid. Self has figured this one out right just took a bit yet Furph was gone over December and wasn’t here as early as other guys. When look at the film and plus/minus it’s clear he’s night and day better than Elmarko so not sure why it took this long to replace him

@kuballin10 said in The Furph:

@Crimsonorblue22 Furph is the man and not afraid. Self has figured this one out right just took a bit yet Furph was gone over December and wasn’t here as early as other guys. When look at the film and plus/minus it’s clear he’s night and day better than Elmarko so not sure why it took this long to replace him

It's an uncomfortable topic for some but I think Furph is ahead basketball wise because he played in another country and wasn't in the putrid AAU system..

I'm probably way off base here, but I have been before so no difference. You know who Johnny kinda reminds me of ? - - -to me he looks like and kinda resembles to me anyways a young SVI M.,-- Furphy aggressive, might be a little better rebounder the SVI at this stage, lots of energy- -3 pt threat, which in time think Johhny gets even better. I dunno just reminds me of SVI some.

@BShark

Coming from an NBA factory as well.

Elmarko is just green to the game and it's showing at this level. He isn't close to his ceiling. Maybe his leap will come later in the season

If EJ can just focus on D and not let his man score his offense will come with time.

The Australian prince that was promised.

@BShark hope he plays like this for his parents! I love he how reacts w/out having to think. Nick is having more fun, fitting in. Marko is struggling. Need to find minutes. Has the talent! Still wish we had Udeh.

@Crimsonorblue22 - Udeh had 11 & 9 last night in 24 minutes in a loss vs Cincinnati. 6 offensive rebounds. Maybe he’s starting to break out.

Udeh made his choice. Would be nice to have him instead of Parker but the decision was understandable.

@Gorilla72 dont forget 5 steals!

@BShark

Udeh blew the game in Allen and missed a game winning FT last night. We are absolutely okay without him being the difference between wins and losses.

So now we expect Furph to do this every game and he'll get criticized when he doesn't make the snuff! lol

I'm hopeful we'll see a lot more games like last night from "The Furph" this year, and feel positive that we will. OSU showed off our entire team by not showing up... but still... we typically go down to Stillwater and play poorly. Not the case last night!

Furph definitely looks like our best fifth option... the team flows best with him out there. Without question!

@drgnslayr said in The Furph:

So now we expect Furph to do this every game and he'll get criticized when he doesn't make the snuff! lol

I'm hopeful we'll see a lot more games like last night from "The Furph" this year, and feel positive that we will. OSU showed off our entire team by not showing up... but still... we typically go down to Stillwater and play poorly. Not the case last night!

Furph definitely looks like our best fifth option... the team flows best with him out there. Without question!

Oh you know he will get criticized , it's the nature of the beast here lol. - -It will be all roses and candy when he does like he did last night BUT when he has a off night , some turnovers , gets beat on the on the defensive end, makes a couple of silly fouls , we will have a couple that I know of here that will be on him like White on Rice - -It will be Johnny get your gun lol. -I think he is gonna be good for us still reminds me of a young SVI

@drgnslayr said in The Furph:

So now we expect Furph to do this every game and he'll get criticized when he doesn't make the snuff! lol

I'm hopeful we'll see a lot more games like last night from "The Furph" this year, and feel positive that we will. OSU showed off our entire team by not showing up... but still... we typically go down to Stillwater and play poorly. Not the case last night!

Furph definitely looks like our best fifth option... the team flows best with him out there. Without question!

I'm upset he was unable to duplicate his first half performance in the second. Bench him.

From The Athletic:

Furphy had 15 points (which ties his season-high) on 5-of-6 shooting, three made 3s, seven rebounds, two assists, two blocks, and no turnovers against the Cowboys. KenPom even gave him the game MVP designation for that performance. Two games is a small sample size, but is Furphy the fifth starter Kansas has been waiting on? It’s too early to say, but something here smells intriguing. Per CBB Analytics, the lineup Self started the last two games — despite only playing 92 minutes this season — is Kansas’ most efficient (amongst lineups that have played at least 10 minutes) by a significant margin. — Marks

He is a freshman and missed some time, so he will have ups and downs. But, he has a good stroke, size, goes after rebounds, is better for spacing, and has a high bball IQ.

In another thread, I said if he was playing 20-25 minutes, he would be a 10 and 5 guy. I'm going to adjust that. It will be a bit match up dependent, but he should generally be getting 30 minutes a game from here on out. And, not all at the 2. He should be able to take Kev and KJ breather minutes, as well. If so, I think he can be a fairly consistent double digit scorer - similar to KJ - and 5-7 RBs per game.

EJ should be getting mostly Juan sub minutes. Just doesn't work well to have 2 guys who don't look to score on the floor together for any period of time. Puts more pressure on the other 3 and allows the defense to sag.

I think, not 100% sure, he gets tired in 2nd half, conditioning issue. Once his strength and conditioning improve, he will have better performance in second half.

@AsadZ

Yeah I think your right. He didn't have an off-season at KU and then was limited to begin the season with shin splints. He seems to be finding ways to overcome all the obstacles thrown his way. Future pro

Furph is a Flying Fox, biggest bat in Oz, Aussie Batman.

Hes actually from French Lick Indiana and is a total hick. Furphy’s a made up name.

@benshawks08

I'm thinking you are being sarcastic here... but there is something to this.

Might he be gassed going into the second half? I'm fine with getting 20 good minutes out of the Furph per game. Also... since he's an unknown in the B12, he is probably starting to earn some respect and emphasis in scouting.

And for those who are thinking he will run off to the NBA after this year... or even next year... here is a good read on Gradey Dick's first year in the NBA.

Imagine had he stayed in Lawrence. Imagine the piece he would have provided for us while taking his time developing his body (part of it is to just build on his age). He would have left Lawrence a legacy player with status and could have had a much easier transition into the next level, without having to dig himself out of a tough situation.

I still stand by my comments that Dick should have stayed!

https://raptorsrapture.com/posts/concerned-raptors-gradey-continues-struggle ↗

@drgnslayr Gradey Dick signed a 4 year / $21,422,551 contract with the Toronto Raptors, including $21,422,551 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $5,355,638.

Plus I have seen him in ridiculous commercials when I set my VPN to Canada. Kid is making bank.

@approxinfinity

Yep. And now they seem concerned he could be a bust. The game is more than about money, and sometimes, like poker, you hold onto a hand and not bet the pot early.

I hope Gradey makes it, and I think, to some level, he will. I just wonder what would have happened if he didn't race to make money.

@drgnslayr except in poker your King cant blow out his knee and you wont accidentally expose your Ace.

@approxinfinity

Yep.... good counter point!

@approxinfinity

Does he stand at a higher chance of injury playing in a league above his physicality over college ball, which is more at his physical level? He wasn't even physical enough at Kansas.

It seems like an obvious answer to this, but I'm not sure. Toronto has a lot invested in young Gradey and he has access to the very best in sports medicine.

@drgnslayr interesting thought. What if the nba draft / ncaa rules change to allowing the kid to stay at college a year after getting drafted rather than going to g league? Just retain the draft rights to them? Is this not allowed and a reason why this isnt a thing?

@approxinfinity

I like it!

@drgnslayr wouldnt teams often salivate at the idea of leaving guys to develop with Self, given how we finishes guys skillsets?

@approxinfinity

And in an environment where the fan base is totally supportive! We've embraced players like Kevin, Jalen Wilson, and Christian Braun!

@approxinfinity said in The Furph:

@drgnslayr except in poker your King cant blow out his knee and you wont accidentally expose your Ace.

If you play with the wrong people, someone else might blow out your knee, and your ass...I mean Ace...might never be seen again.

@approxinfinity baseball did it for a long time. The old draft and follow. But they got rid of it by pushing up the deadline to sign players. I imagine the union would want exactly zero part of it

I just wonder how many NBA busts from guys who left early, especially those who were good college players like Grady, made a mint, but never saw the court in the league would have traded in all that money for the opportunity to stay in school and be the BMOC? Economics determines some of that I'm aware, but how many have regrets?

I know some say once a Jayhawk always a Jayhawk. I understand that but that's not for me. You got to earn that title for me. Good luck Grady, but you gave up the chance for a ring, which they'd probably be overwhelming favorites right now had he stayed. Enjoy your future career in Europe.

@wissox run-on sentence ahead - I love KU with all my heart, but if I was as marginal of a talent as Brady and had the option to make $21million guaranteed as opposed to 3 additional years of collegiate glory, I would not have to think too hard about it. It would take most households over 100 years to earn that. Brady didn’t have a choice in my opinion. I don’t think he’s an nba level talent and would have been exposed.

@wissox I’m with you on not caring/forgetting about most OADs that played for KU. The ones I liked get fuzzy even. It’s just so little of them you see it’s not deeply engrained enough in the gray matter I suppose. I have more memories of TJ Whatley’s mustache than I do of say Josh Selby.

@dylans

Interesting perspective. You may be right. The entire time Grady was here the only thing I saw in his game that said NBA was his fluid shot release (and potential for accuracy). I remember watching many of Steph Curry's college games. He was small and fairly weak... but he had a real high basketball IQ and great handles while in college. More than Grady had.

Time will tell on Grady.

Had we won a title with Grady this year and he was perhaps our top scorer... and banging down 40+% from trey... wouldn't he have been a top 10 selection in the NBA draft?

@wissox

I feel pretty much the same as you on OADs. I have enjoyed watching Wiggins and Embiid at the next level. I didn't think either of those guys should have stayed at KU beyond one year.

I would have rather used the scholie we gave Gradey on a development player who would be mashing it now and giving us depth! Gradey didn't even propel us in his one year here.

Still... not trying to trash Gradey. He didn't come to KU with promises of more than a year and Self warned everyone early on that he would be gone.

So here we are... back to the all-time classic argument; are OADs worth recruiting?

Evidently, Duke and UK think so. I've watched several UK games this year and they might do some serious damage in March, especially if they clear another footer into the lineup.

Next year college basketball will all be about Duke. Cooper Flagg will give Duke more free PR than they could ever get anywhere else... even if they had won a Nattie! That kid better perform and Duke better bring home a title or the joke will be on them! Far more humiliating than when they bought Zion!

@drgnslayr said in The Furph:

@dylans

Interesting perspective. You may be right. The entire time Grady was here the only thing I saw in his game that said NBA was his fluid shot release (and potential for accuracy). I remember watching many of Steph Curry's college games. He was small and fairly weak... but he had a real high basketball IQ and great handles while in college. More than Grady had.

Time will tell on Grady.

Had we won a title with Grady this year and he was perhaps our top scorer... and banging down 40+% from trey... wouldn't he have been a top 10 selection in the NBA draft?

@wissox

I feel pretty much the same as you on OADs. I have enjoyed watching Wiggins and Embiid at the next level. I didn't think either of those guys should have stayed at KU beyond one year.

I would have rather used the scholie we gave Gradey on a development player who would be mashing it now and giving us depth! Gradey didn't even propel us in his one year here.

Still... not trying to trash Gradey. He didn't come to KU with promises of more than a year and Self warned everyone early on that he would be gone.

I just can't hold it against these guys for supposed OAD if they feel or been told/advised to enter then if they feel they got that chance, they got to follow their dreams -- it's a business for them just like it's a job for ordinary people --can't be a hater -- hate the game. - -Thing is about JO , Jo he WANTED to come back, Coach Self pretty much told him no , you need to enter the draft, you can't do anymore here -- GO so he did

Look, Bill told Gradey to get out of Dodge. Unlike some (some dude named Roy), Bill tells lotto picks to go and if you don’t I’ll kick your ass out. He’s like a good parent in that way, they know when to say hey it’s time to leave home and make your own way. JoJo REALLY wanted to come back but Bill told him absolutely not you’re going to the league and there’s nothing you can do about it so make the best of it. There are others like Ben and Thomas who felt the same but also they NEEDED to go to provide for their families.

@FarmerJayhawk

Yes he did!

When there is a guaranteed contract on the table, leaving is by far the safe bet.

One can also argue it's the best path for future success in the league, too. When teams invest a fortune on these guys you can rest assured they are being coached up to the max.

I'm just a bit nostalgic and trying to squint my eyes and still see the possibility that college basketball isn't 100% business... all the time.

What do we know about the Furphy family? If Furphy is predicted as a second rounder or G league, will he choose to leave to help his family?

@stoptheflop they just spent two weeks seeing America so I think they’re fine

I now think Furphy will start the rest of the way. I don't see him getting supplanted unless there's an injury.

Furphy has looked like a lottery pick since starting. I dont think he stays regardless of his parents financial state if he keeps this up.

@approxinfinity said in The Furph:

Furphy has looked like a lottery pick since starting. I dont think he stays regardless of his parents financial state if he keeps this up.

ya just thinking -not so sure Johnny is bck next year pretty solid - -15 again today and 6 rebounds-- been pretty consistent last 5 games now

I wouldn’t blame him if he is a lottery pick but like I always said about the NBA. They draft off of potential but do not give anyone time to develop that potential. Prime example is Gradey Dick I’ll bet anyone, any amount of money he never plays meaningful minutes after his 3 year rookie deal is up.

@kjayhawks he just had one of his best games as a pro like a week ago

@FarmerJayhawk he did and he has a high ceiling but one bad game and he’s back to the G league

@kjayhawks the Raptors are rebuilding. He’ll get minutes this year.

@FarmerJayhawk hasn’t he already been to the G league twice so far this season and it’s not even all star break yet?

@kjayhawks the Raptors have traded away their best two players over the last month.

@kjayhawks said in The Furph:

@FarmerJayhawk hasn’t he already been to the G league twice so far this season and it’s not even all star break yet?

What exactly do you think the purpose of the G-League is? Would you rather the Raptors have Dick as a DNP-Coaches Decision, or have him playing in the G-League getting meaningful minutes and coaching from the Raptors staff? Going to the G-League as a rookie doesn't have the stigma attached to it that it once did. The Phoenix Sun's are the only team that doesn't have a G-League affiliate at this point.

50% of NBA players this season have spent time in the G-League at some point. Pascal Siakim, Rudy Gobert, and Jordan Poole are among those who spent time in the G-League early on. Playing in the G-League isn't the issue you think it is because it's grown and developed to the point that it is a true development league that by the end of this season, the majority of the players in the NBA will have come through at some point.

@Texas-Hawk-10 maybe you guys know more about than me but I still don’t see players developing in the NBA. I see them overseas very quickly if they don’t have that 3 year contract.

@kjayhawks look at the entire Thunder roster

@kjayhawks said in The Furph:

@Texas-Hawk-10 maybe you guys know more about than me but I still don’t see players developing in the NBA. I see them overseas very quickly if they don’t have that 3 year contract.

Dick was a lottery pick. Toronto is going to do everything they can to develop Dick into the best player he can be. This is why he's spending time in the G-League because NBA teams have generally figured out how to use the G-League system now to develop players.
He's down to get game minutes to work on the holes in his game against game competition which right now is moving and playing without the basketball which was an issue for him at KU as well.

Siakam and Anunoby leaving were the key, and that was like 4 games ago @kjayhawks

@approxinfinity I didn’t realize they had traded away so many players so I’ll shut up lol. I just don’t have faith in the G

Let’s calm down on the furphy hype… he has a decent 3pt shot and he runs the floor well in transition for lay ups. But he’s got virtually no ability to create his own shot. He’s only getting some looks bc he’s not the focal point of the other team. He is a poor defender. He’s slow footed and he’s really weak. He gets offensive rebounds (flys In well for them) but defensive rebounds he loses to his guy a lot. He doesn’t box out well. The team is 3-2 since he started. He’s a fine prospect for a 3 and D guy down the road.

@kjayhawks said in The Furph:

@approxinfinity I didn’t realize they had traded away so many players so I’ll shut up lol. I just don’t have faith in the G

The G-League today isn't what it was 15 years ago. 29 of the 30 NBA teams have their own G-League affiliate now. Only Phoenix doesn't have one now. That means that NBA franchises now are controlling the development of their young players by controlling who the coaching staffs are, who the training and support staffs are which means those G-League teams are developing the skills the NBA franchises want to see developed. Like I said earlier, 50% of the players on the NBA today have spent time in the G-League. By the end of the season, that number will be over 50%. At the end of last season, the number was at 55% of players that had spent time in the G-League. Those numbers will only continue to rise as older players retire that developed before going to the G-League was common.

@jayhawks2010 i appreciate this. Thanks for making me temper the hype a bit

@jayhawks2010 devil's advocate, he's a 6'-9" wing who has averaged some 16/7 over the last few games at over 40% from 3 and has shown high level cutting ability. NBA loves wing players and there are prospects taken in the 1st round every year putting up less number than that.

I'm not saying he'll go, but if he continues at his current pace there will be a team willing to draft him in the 1st round. I think there would be a decent chance he stays though because he has top 5 pick potential going in the draft next year.

@jayballer67 Oh Lord, don't start the Svi comparison again. I thought several of us were going to have to duke it out. lol

I think we all can agree that, for a pick up late in the offseason, he was a pretty vital addition.

As much as I wonder where would we be with Morris, I also wonder where would we be without Furphy.

@bskeet

I'm much happier with rooting for Furphy then I ever would have been for Morris.

@BeddieKU23 Did Morris transfer to Penn State or was it the State Pen?

@dylans working hard or hardly working?

@dylans

From McDonald's All American to Prison State legend

Where will furphy rank in terms of great freshman?

@kjayhawks

Rising by the game. tbd

@kjayhawks said in The Furph:

Where will furphy rank in terms of great freshman?

If he closes strong and leads us to another Nattie... I'd say he will rank at the very top!

I did a scientific analysis on today's game and I have determined that Johnny Furphy is very good at basketball.

@Jayblaze I think we’re going to need another year of him in Lawrence to know for sure for sure

@FarmerJayhawk at the very least.

Kenpom that only includes games since Furphy started. :face_savoring_food:

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@BShark and that includes TWO games where the other team shot ridiculously well from 3 which a lot of evidence points to being more luck than anything else. (And one game where KU might have done the same…) [edit: checked the box score and we only made 6 threes??? Felt like a lot more]

Jeff Goodman from the field of 68 reported that for a long time KU needed that one more guy - -he said now KU has found that guy , also stating though if we could even fine one more to just give us even a little , he says he thinks without a doubt that KU's starting five is probably the best in the Nation & can play with anybody-- if we can get anything - - anything at all out of our bench

To put into perspective how good KU's offense was yesterday, here's a list of every other time UH has given up 78+ points since the beginning of the 2018-19 season began which is when they became relevant nationally.

March 7, 2019 - SMU scored 79 points in a loss

November 19, 2019 - Rice scored 89 points in a loss

November 22, 2019 - Oregon scored 78 points in a win

February 3, 2021 - East Carolina scored 82 points in a win

April 3, 2021 - Baylor scored 78 points in their Final Four win

December 11, 2021 - Alabama scored 83 points in a win

February 9, 2022 - SMU scored 85 points in a win

March 24, 2023 - Miami scored 89 points in a Sweet 16 win

Houston is arguably the best defensive team in the country and KU's starting 5 made them look bad. I fully agree with Jeff Goodman's assessment that when KU's starting 5 is on and playing well, they are the best starting 5 in the country.

I have no doubt we were fueled by having a chip. Self made it a huge deal to let them know they were not favored in AFH.

He brought similar fuel on the prep for UCONN.

Keep these guys on the same page and no one can handle us!

Kill Zach's redshirt now and I'll believe we will win-out in March!

@drgnslayr he did say he didn't know we weren't favored, and they told him, the media, it was the 2nd time. He didn't know that either. It was Baylor, forgot yr, 2020? Was he BSing? Don't know. This was during post game.

I bet a hefty amount Self told the boys they were dogs

In terms of Furphy leaving after this season. I think there is a 75% chance he stays for next season. You have to consider he just reclassified and shouldn’t be here this season. If I was in his circle I’d tell him you can go this season and go late first round/early second round. Or you could return work on getting stronger and handles most likely being a sure fire top 10 pick next season. We have had some kids get some bad advice imo. Henry, Dotson and Selby all could’ve been solid NBA players had they stayed a year or two longer. Especially with the NIL money of today, I don’t think it’s a great decision.

@kjayhawks said in The Furph:

In terms of Furphy leaving after this season. I think there is a 75% chance he stays for next season. You have to consider he just reclassified and shouldn’t be here this season. If I was in his circle I’d tell him you can go this season and go late first round/early second round. Or you could return work on getting stronger and handles most likely being a sure fire top 10 pick next season. We have had some kids get some bad advice imo. Henry, Dotson and Selby all could’ve been solid NBA players had they stayed a year or two longer. Especially with the NIL money of today, I don’t think it’s a great decision.

The difference between Furphy and those guys is that Furphy will be receiving first round/lotto projections this year

The Furph is, what, 17? His maturity level would be a problem hanging around older players with different, shall we say, perspectives on life. I’m sure his parents will have valuable input. I agree, the money is bigger every year he stays.

@Gorilla72 he turned 19 in December

@Gorilla72 said in The Furph:

The Furph is, what, 17? His maturity level would be a problem hanging around older players with different, shall we say, perspectives on life. I’m sure his parents will have valuable input. I agree, the money is bigger every year he stays.

The second NBA contract is where the money is at. If properly developed, the sooner you get into the NBA the sooner you make generational wealth by getting to the second contract. It’s tricky - if drafted high enough you are pretty much guaranteed a few years, but beyond that your have to perform.

Being a KU homer I want to see them all stay until well seasoned. Furphy is on the Ochai development arc it appears, but will he stick the 3 it takes to fully develop into a NCAA game wrecker?

https://throughthephog.com/posts/kansas-basketball-johnny-furphy-nba-draft-jayhawks-01hntkms47y1# ↗

16th sounds about right to me, with a chance to get top 10 with a strong tourney run

@approxinfinity Gradey seemed like OAD from early on, but I’ll be so bummed if Furphy leaves after this season. I hope it’s just a furphy:

fur·phy
NOUN
AUSTRALIAN
INFORMAL
a rumour or story, especially one that is untrue or absurd:
"I remembered the schoolyard furphy about sewer gangs"

@approxinfinity said in The Furph:

https://throughthephog.com/posts/kansas-basketball-johnny-furphy-nba-draft-jayhawks-01hntkms47y1# ↗

16th sounds about right to me, with a chance to get top 10 with a strong tourney run

I'm waiting for the big draft evaluator sites to update on this but if Furphy is mid-first round to lottery by the time March comes around there's very little hope we are getting a 2nd year of him here.

This is potentially a historically weak draft class.

Self is going to push Johnny to the draft if he has a shot at lottery. There won't be an option for him to return if the intel suggests he could legitimately be drafted into big guaranteed money.

He might be further behind Gradey physically but also ahead in other areas.

Size, wingspan & athleticism will likely help him (combine). BBIQ as well. Ability to pick up on coaching & apply- Will come from Self too.

This is pretty crazy if this is how it goes. As a KU fan it will suck but the kid has a ton of talent and the world is just starting to see it. This is why you come here..

@approxinfinity said in The Furph:

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16th sounds about right to me, with a chance to get top 10 with a strong tourney run

Hate giving this site clicks. Worse than the star for me.

@BShark cool, i havent kept up. I will keep that in mind.

@dylans said in The Furph:

@Gorilla72 said in The Furph:

The Furph is, what, 17? His maturity level would be a problem hanging around older players with different, shall we say, perspectives on life. I’m sure his parents will have valuable input. I agree, the money is bigger every year he stays.

The second NBA contract is where the money is at. If properly developed, the sooner you get into the NBA the sooner you make generational wealth by getting to the second contract. It’s tricky - if drafted high enough you are pretty much guaranteed a few years, but beyond that your have to perform.

Being a KU homer I want to see them all stay until well seasoned. Furphy is on the Ochai development arc it appears, but will he stick the 3 it takes to fully develop into a NCAA game wrecker?

How many of KU's players that have stayed until they are "seasoned" have gotten that big second contract? Only 4 KU players in the last decade have signed those life changing, generational wealth creating deals and 3 were OAD players. Embiid, Wiggins, Oubre, and Graham are only KU players drafted in the past decade to sign big second contracts.

@approxinfinity said in The Furph:

@BShark cool, i havent kept up. I will keep that in mind.

@FarmerJayhawk could tell you all about how lame they are, he used to write there.

But basically alot of their stuff is just reposting info from other sites. One guy got found out for reposting paywalled info on 247.

One thing that might play into his decision is he can't earn NIL at KU with his visa situation (not to be political but US immigration law... lol) so could be something to watch. Might make the Mexico City trip worth it...

@BeddieKU23 Furphy appears much more mature than Dick.

This game tonight is a prime example of why he won’t go and will fall down the draft board. All normal for a freshman

@kjayhawks Ochai had 25 vs Texas in his first game, an NBA ready body and shot…and played 3 years. It seems the fans are quick to show guys the door.

Furphy has a good shot, but not elite like Dick. Furphy has good awareness on the offensive end and hustles for rebounds. His defense and body need work. Depending on offseason development I could see him being well positioned to enter the draft after his sophomore campaign.

Plus, NIL $ takes some of the risk out of staying and working on your game. I think this is one of the best benefits of NIL to the game.

@bskeet year 2 of Furphy Mania could
Be Full Tilt $$$

Wonder how Furphy’s acting chops are?

Furphy can't legally work in the US so that's a problem

@FarmerJayhawk said in The Furph:

Furphy can't legally work in the US so that's a problem

Bill will get his guys paid but yes

@FarmerJayhawk Why can’t he get F1 status? Not sure of all the ins and outs.

@dylans my guess is he's an F1 right now, so legally he can only work on campus for the university (e.g. at the book store). Starting next year he can work off campus but only for a very specific purposes. NIL doesn't really fit anywhere in there.

Now when we go to Mexico City those rules don't really apply since the visa is meant to keep international students from taking jobs (THEY TOOK ER JEEEERBS) so he can get paid then.

@FarmerJayhawk - like $xxx,xxx?