Tomorrow, we get a real test in Ames.
I encourage those who oft wear black hats to remember, this is a battle and not the war. What great progress have we seen? Surely a regression against a good team in some areas on the road would be expected.
Still, with the emergence of Shak as a strong contributor, if he is healthy, and we can hit 30% of our 3s and 70% at the line, we can certainly win this one.
I'd say we've had plenty of real tests already!
A cake walk would be nice :)
If you have any superpowers @approxinfinity , now's the time to use em!
I sure hope Hunter, Flory and KJ score and score often in the paint. RC
I'm sorry I really am , but just trying to be honest & realistic. I don't have a very good feel about tomorrow night & that's not a knock against the guys , I think we will play hard and fight but bottom line I just think they are better then us THIS YEAR. -They are like us many years , they are just really good. You never know which one or whatever is going to be the one who lights it up for them on any particular night.
Like I mentioned yesterday, we are going to have to match their defensive intensity for a full 40 minutes and find quick open perimeter looks/shots. Jefferson pretty good , got a good pg- - they have the guy that comes off the bench that actually is their leading Scorer -a lot of weapons. We got to take care of the ball & hit the glass.- -We have to make a better percentage of hitting our shots from distance. -I hope I'm wrong about this feeling , I hope I'm dead wrong just RIGHT NOW as of this moment , at this time of day I just feel like could be a 6-7 point L - Hell I'll do anything if I am- -- I'll dance naked in the rain if we win even lol - -ROCK CHALK
@stoptheflop
Especially Hunter he needs 20 in this game.
Flory needs 8.
KJ needs 10.
Zeke needs 20 also.
We have to make them guard all our guards. They will clog the lane as everyone else has. Coit will shoot from three he always does. Moore needs to make a couple and drive for floaters, Zeke needs to make a couple and get to the rack. Storr needs to make one and go at it hard and keep drawing fouls. Shak needs to make one and drive it with his speed. Juan has to make one and drive and dish and drive for his floater or reverse scoop layup. We need one or two more treys one for Hunter because he will be played rough and he will play rough but will get calls against him. He will get pissed and a pissed Hunter will make one or two threes just to show the Cyclones and the refs the finger. That will be nine treys which will get us in the upper 70's and a 5 point win.
Do not and I mean don't get below 35 in the first half. We need to be tied all game. We actually get more offensive rebounds than they do. Zeke is surprisingly adept at putting back his misses. it would be nice if Flory has a breakout game and help Hunter control the defensive boards. I can see KJ and Hunter and Flory sitting out with two fouls and three fouls but hopefully not at the same time. Hunter our potential AA needs to hit all of his little jumpers.
Can our suddenly vaunted defense actually hold ISU to 70 points while our offense gets after it until they are scorching the nets.
If they are just better than us like faster, tougher, more energized and better shooters okay but if we are equal, as tough and as energized we can over come the noise and maybe some bad calls. When we beat up UCF on the road we saw what this team can do and if AJ, Moore and Shak can stun the Cyclones with their breakout games. I know it's coming and we can ride it all the way to a one seed.
Itās always the same equation for us in Amesā¦. Can we take care of the ball? Hilton is a tough venue and if we start this game with turnovers and fall behind the temperature in Hilton rises from screaming fans and becomes easy for them to roll us! If we keep it to around 10 total turnovers in the game, we stand a chance. We need to keep Hunter in the low post and space properly.
Yeah i am not bullish on Hunter from 3 more than once in a blue moon, as a trailer, and with Bidunga already on the low block.
I want 20+ minutes for Flory. Keeping out of early foul trouble will be key.
As i said during last game, thought we looked good with Hunt out second half and KJ and Bidunga pairing. Its when we got to double digits.
Dajuan, Shak, hot scorer, KJ and Bidunga is a really good defensive core.
At least we didn't give up any offensive magic last game. Due for a little regression back to average on that end. Hopefully, these guys have really bought in to the idea that defense travels.
I'm really hopeful this bunch rises to the occasion. They know it's a big game. If ISU guards them straight up and doesn't change their style to sag off Juan and KJ I think they can win this game.
Gotta score points, make enough 3's to keep the gameplan honest. Push the pace and never stop attacking the basket. Only way to overcome the crowd and what will be a biased ref crew will be forcing them to actually call fouls.
On defense we just need to limit foul trouble in the post and keep Gilbert away from the FT line. I'm hoping Shak gets that assignment to take the head off the snake. Rebound and stay in it.
Should be a good game, i hope. These kind of games are what Self lives for
If KU somehow wins going away I'll be bouncing off the walls. If it's played closely (5 points either way-ish) I'll feel about the same as I do now that this is a good team. If Iowa State wins in a blowout that would be fairly concerning.
Iām honestly less worried about these type of games. We seem to bring our A game when the situation calls for it. It the games when we are playing less competition like WV or Fizzou we have zero energy.
@kjayhawks said in Looking forward to Hilton:
Iām honestly less worried about these type of games. We seem to bring our A game when the situation calls for it. It the games when we are playing less competition like WV or Fizzou we have zero energy.
Yea, weird. The energy part makes no sense to me. Itās very evident at times though. How can guys not be fired up to play? KU needs a Flavor Flav hype man. Yeah Boyeeee!
Last year I think we'd all agree was one of our weaker teams and we went up to Ames and were down 2 with a minute to go. Lost by 4. We've had some bad in Hilton I agree but last year wasn't so bad. We've been a little shell shocked by some epic routs in the latter part of the Self era therefore there's some pessimism for tomorrows game. We've won 8 out of 10 against them. But lost 2 of the last 3. I feel decent about this one.
Ugh, 6.5 dogs to ISt. Ames is my favorite place to win. AFH East. Please, please, please defend their guards and look to score in the paint. KU does have an advantage with our bigs. Come on Hunter, show some energy; dunk the damn ball!
@BShark said in Looking forward to Hilton:
If KU somehow wins going away I'll be bouncing off the walls. If it's played closely (5 points either way-ish) I'll feel about the same as I do now that this is a good team. If Iowa State wins in a blowout that would be fairly concerning.
This is exactly where Iām at. Expecting us to lose a close game 4-8 points but itās tight until a few free throws late. Will be fun to watch with this expectation.
If this team is actually closer to 2020 and 2022 as people are saying per the āmetricsā than they should go win this one.
Isu has better guard and their bigs are more mobile. They run pnr a lot so we will see if Hunter can adjust at all or if Flory needs to get more minutes.
Hope Shak and Rylan both play 25+ minutes tonight
Maybe Moore! He seems to want to cheerlead these guys!
Momcilovic is likely OUT tonight and for another 5+ weeks with an injury.
@BShark said in Looking forward to Hilton:
Momcilovic is likely OUT tonight and for another 5+ weeks with an injury.
Oh that's a big one. He's not a great matchup for us at all.
@BeddieKU23 said in Looking forward to Hilton:
@BShark said in Looking forward to Hilton:
Momcilovic is likely OUT tonight and for another 5+ weeks with an injury.
Oh that's a big one. He's not a great matchup for us at all.
Big time floor spacer. Indications are he broke some finger(s) in his non-shooting hand.
Mom was the one guy on that roster las year i wish we had
Does he start?
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It's official now (ISU reporter tweet here)
This basically puts ISU at 7 deep and their two bench players are 4 ppg types.
Still, we have to play a near perfect game to win this one. All their guards will be automatic from 3 if we leave them evem a little open.
Ox knows how to play this. They will be even a tougher out without Momci.
@Jhawk69 said in Looking forward to Hilton:
Still, we have to play a near perfect game to win this one. All their guards will be automatic from 3 if we leave them evem a little open.
That's just not true though? They shoot it 1% better than KU and just lost, by far, their best shooter. They also rate 253rd in threes attempted per game, KU is 271st for reference. This game will be won or lost inside and we need to not commit fouls (their guards are quite good at drawing them).
We are going to have to have Rylan or AJ show up tonight for sure we need that additional Scorer tonight right now other then Zeke we don't have that outside consistent threat, s U really like what Shaq has added brought this team to a different look, at least he does have the tools to score some instead of just another passer.
The thing I'm afraid of is Jefferson is going to neutralize at least enough Hunter that's going to be an issue. If we can have a night where we can get either or Rylan or AJ to be productive enough that would be sweet.- -We are going to have to play a full forty minutes, can not afford any 2-3-4 minute -- droughts - -be on the Hunter watch for foul trouble their Bigs pretty athletic - got to crash the boards and keep them off no 2nd- - 3rd chances , just can't have it
Hunter with 20 and the two shots he takes from the arc which he can make one or both will be a boost. Can Juan, Zeke and Shak contain their guards? Maybe and depends who they each guard. Just slowing them down will be enough.
@Zabudda Hunter will attempt about 20 shots. He will make 7-8 of them. He will also be in position for about 20 rebounds, he will come down with about 12 of them and be outhustled by smaller ISU forwards for the other 8. He will finish with something like 18 points and 12 rebounds but will be largely ineffective. To make up for that, Mayo and Harris will have to shine and Rylan will need to knock down some threes.
Isn't their 6th man their high pt guy?
They may zone us up, keep them out of foul trouble.
Now that it has enough possessions together to qualify, K. Adams / H. Dickinson / D. Harris / Z. Mayo / S. Moore is our BEST 5 man group so far. Swapping in Rylan for Shak is just behind that one.
Hunter shooting threes is just another look to get the lane congestion smaller. He's shooting at 25% and we have seen him make a couple and he started the season shooting 50% from the free throw line and now he is at 75% plus he's a good passer and can drive as evidenced in the last game. If Flory is playing with him he rebounding success improves. We've got a bunch of midgets who have figured out it's a good idea to drive into the lane and those misses are easier to anticipate than threes which bounce way off. Zeke is a good at rebounding and if our shots get blocked it's as likely to come back to us as not.
Do you like the earlier start at 6:00?
I like Hawks being prime time but now with the collapse of the PAC maybe we can be the West Coasts team in the 9 slot
Jayhawks by 5
Let's do it
Always get the ball
Those are the kind of dumb misses that hurt us later
Turnoverfest
I think ISt's coach wants to win this. Jeez he's a maniac on the sideline
Missed bunny and 3 sloppy TOs...
Fans are too dumb to recognize a travel call is the right call.
We'd be winning if it weren't for dumb plays on offense. Got +2 on fouls in that first sequence and from guards.
@wissox said in Looking forward to Hilton:
Fans are too dumb to recognize a travel call is the right call.
Or a foul
Interesting that they have already subbed and we haven't. They are short-handed - we should play 9 and push the pace all game...
@BeddieKU23 Yeah I just saw them foul us obviously and fans in the stands standing with arms raised like they've just been victimized by Jack the Ripper
Nice tackle KJ
Weak
Mud ball as expected. Gotta cut out the turnovers.
Or make a shot or 2
Sad ref. It's a foul, you're right there and just blind
He looks like a Wisconsin guy.
Sweet
Nice cut and pass.
Nice play Juan to mayo
ESPN for a decade now thinks we love seeing a split screen. I don't want to see Bill Self even talking to a player. I want full screen. How dumb are they?
Iowa St doesn't seem like they have any offense so far. If we could just figure it out on offense at some point this one could go our way
The only split screen I liked was coach k riding off into the sunset(lol) after his last loss w/his wife.
And just like that espn misses a score
Not their ball
Every out of bounds call has gone their way.
Ok just got home. How we looking?
Wow great hustle KJ!
@approxinfinity Meh. Some turnovers hurting, offense has been ok
Nice effort KJ!
Reminiscent of Jamari Traylor both ends of court hustle
Adams is big time at the line this yr
KJ just got fouled 3 times and wouldn't be hurt if they called either of the first two.
@dylans said in Looking forward to Hilton:
Nice effort KJ!
Agreed, but he still leans away from contact every time rather than into it...
Hm Rylan with the drive. Not just a spot shooter
That ref is bullshit
Stupid TOās.
6 TOs , ugh
Apart from the bad TOs, they are moving the ball a lot better and getting much better looks...
And again. Travel and calls a foul. PAID
Rough call
Made to pay
Shorten the bench by putting them in foul trouble.š
Typical
A 5th senior clanking FTs smh
This would be a great game for Storr to show up and build trust
That highlight they just showed before the commercial was a blatant walk by the ISU guard.
@approxinfinity said in Looking forward to Hilton:
This would be a great game for Storr to show up and build trust
Even better if he learned where that trust could be earned, by playing team defense
@BeddieKU23 making baseline jumpers doesnt hurt though
Just draw another foul and get to the bonus. Need to get this crowd and momentum shifted
@approxinfinity said in Looking forward to Hilton:
@BeddieKU23 making baseline jumpers doesnt hurt though
Sure but we all know that's not what Self cares about.
Flory ya soft :)
@BeddieKU23 We need to make FTās, though.
No. Keep Flory out there
No. Keep Flory out there
5th travel of the game for jackson not called
Is Zach available yet?
Ehhhhhh KJ at the 5
Lol
I hate refs
Horrible pass - 8th TO...
What a ref show this is
Where is Clemence?
I rate refsā¦.
1
Getting away quick.
No offense.
we have to protect the ball and we have to stop committing phantom fouls when they travel
41% FG
Rylan needs to get on track. Mayo needs to shoot more. Hunt needs to dunk, KJ needs to only dunk. You know the normal gripes.
Not an ideal stretch here
Done with these refs.
Big 3
Thank you. 8th travel called
Lazy effort by Griffen on that loose ball...
Bill Walton (RIP) would have said just catch that ball instead of blocking it.
ISU upped their defense intensity a level or two smelling the blood. Nice bucket by Juan.
Unforced errors
Very disappointing from harris
DJ struggling
HCBS face in hands says it all...
That won't get you minutes as a freshman
wtf are you doing Juan? Jesus looking like a freshman
What a weak-ass block out attempt by KJ...
Boom
Pathetic ref show
Oh no, that wasn't a reach in foul
What is up with Hunt?
So sloppy
Wow it was 2 points, now 10
We are having a lot of trouble even trying to get into the offense...
Jones canāt miss.
So lame
Hunt about -20 feels like
just sloppy
Not unexpected. This is who they are
Zero percent grabbing 50-50 balls
ISU is a good team.
I like our chances
Hold ISU to 15 in the second half and blow them out! Itās an evil plan really. I approve.
Jones making us look like boys
I want Hunter to foul out asap
We once again have little energy and are getting out hustled
We are getting almost nothing in the paint...
@SlimShaddy54 Jones is 8/11 and 4/5 from 3
Dajuan stinks
Has Shaq been playing ?-- -haven't heard much on him, put him on Joned, Bigger frame to guard -- better defender
I feel like a loss here and we are all but done in the conference
@kjayhawks bit of a stretch
Remember at the end of last year Self sat there and said there will never be another year like this well seems he was wrong.
@SlimShaddy54 Shak only played 9 minutes. Not sure why he didn't play more.
@kjayhawks huh? Theyāre ranked higher than we are
Dajuan, Shak, Mayo, KJ, Flory. This is the way.
Every bounce and unexpected luck went to ISU. We worked our ass off and it blew up in our face. Jones has the worst shot set up I've ever seen. They fumble bumbled around and a miracle happened. Three big treys by Juan, Griffen and Mayo that keep us in touch wasted.
Remember when Self sat there at the end of last year and said this will never happen again, well it seems like little has changed
@Crimsonorblue22 I know he had foul trouble, but when he is on the floor, he is out of sorts. That is what I was asking.
We need to the ball to go in the hoop. Defense notthe issue. 20 points in a half isnāt winning anything.
Take care of the ball this half and we can win. Iād play a lot more guards.
Well it will be a hard task to come back by 10.
Coit played 1 minute. Would like to see more.
@dmurban said in Looking forward to Hilton:
Remember when Self sat there at the end of last year and said this will never happen again, well it seems like little has changed
What specifically is happening? This years team smokes last years team.
It's not the end of the world and let us see who steps up.
All those defensive metrics and great second halfās against bad teamsā¦.
Letās see if we can flip a switch and shut them down defensively this half
@Crimsonorblue22 On the offensive side? I think their in-your-face pesky defense has him off kilter more than usual.
KJ and Hunt have to stop over helping, 3 wide open dunks because if it
I'm afraid it's about to get really ugly
@SlimShaddy54 My sister didnāt tell me she was going to the game.
@Kcmatt7 thatās probably true. Just feels very similar. Zeke has been our saving grace. We have gotten little from two highly touted transfers, Hunter looks less athletic and more lazy this year and Harris will still never shoot the ball. Having a dawg for point was always Kansas to me with Chambers, Collins, Mason, Graham and Dotson. No one cares if half the starters shoot
They've out shot us, out rebounded us, and out hustled us. Need to do better on both ends...
Nvm we suck
Right off the bat - - another turnover
Please Hunt foul out
Another turnover
Please foul out
Oof, lookin like a rout
@kjayhawks Same trash for 2 years defensively - giving up easy baskets which Self claims he hates yet he doesnāt adjust or sit guys
D2 getting dominated tonight but plays 40 minutes cause itās a big game and Bill trusts him
Griffin looks alright makes 1 mistake and heās out
D2 losses the ball to the big guy for a three cause he plays with zero urgency
We can't get into any kind of offensive set...
@SlimShaddy54 d2 playing legit top 5 d1 team tonight and shockingly this is it
Go figure this core 3 on the road against a legit team still isnāt good enough
Self canāt evaluate talent worth trash
Nice job mayo. Sittrr
Would you mind if i coin your excessive pessimism as āhyturdboleā @kuballin10 ?
Hunts passes
@approxinfinity lol. Lovin the block feature
Kill him!
Wolp. Flory and Hunt time
Oh boy, KJ looks like he's done for a bit.
Collarbone?
That or AC sprain.
Where is the helments ?- - Where is the flags ?
Anything that forced Bill to play Bidunga increases our chances of a win. Sorry KJ.
@approxinfinity not arguing in this game but we need kj
Iowa state is tenacious and dogs on defense but still prioritizes offense
KU is Self with our defense that isnāt good against top teams and we ālaborā yet again year over year to score
Didnāt he say after last years blowout this wouldnāt happen again?
Rs32 @$$ whoopin incoming
@approxinfinity said in Looking forward to Hilton:
Anything that forced Bill to play Bidunga increases our chances of a win. Sorry KJ.
Until he fouls out.
every time Hunter passes the ball it's an adventure
@approxinfinity said in Looking forward to Hilton:
Would you mind if i coin your excessive pessimism as āhyturdboleā @kuballin10 ?
Haha fair enough brother š
Does this bode better for Griff or AJ?
ISU only scored 2 in 4+ minutes, so we are on same 2nd have defensive pace as last two games!
Hunts body language is kinda sad tonight
Hunter is flat awful, but maybe with Bidunga playing D for him Hunter can stop trying to move on that end of the court
Wait, how in the heck is that their ball?
I predicted kj, hunt and Harris 3 turnovers each because isu is great defensively (unlike us but you all lapped it up against bad teams)
Hunter, Harris, and Mayo have 3 turnovers each. 9 of our 13. Kj was about there until his injury which sucks
Good job Flory!
Just dont pass the bsll anywhere but out Hunt. Dont play d. Just be a giant trebuche on the offensive end
If bill grows a beard Iām going to have to grow one to keep up my streak of three times a year people asking if Iām bill self
Nuther crap pass by hunt
@kuballin10 said in Looking forward to Hilton:
I predicted kj, hunt and Harris 3 turnovers each because isu is great defensively (unlike us but you all lapped it up against bad teams)
Hunter, Harris, and Mayo have 3 turnovers each. 9 of our 13. Kj was about there until his injury which sucks
Shut the fuck up and take the negative shit out of here. Why are you even still a KU fan at this point?
@kuballin10 yeah but the thing is we are on a run right now while you swear we will get blown out.
Got back into this
3 pt game, so much for my rout theory. I love being wrong when Iām negative
These stupid turnovers....
@approxinfinity let moore run point and it changes things
Diggy makes me sad
Lucky!
Coit
16 TOs - incredible...
Shak has no business passing the ball to Bidungas waist in transition
Flory! Flory! Flory!
Ok Hunter! Here we go. Offense only.
Boo. And one ref
Come on refs
Gotta stop the floating passed and shots
Do not want KJ, garbage
Wonder if KJ received a shot into his AC joint.
We have so many balls fall off the rim.
Struggling on layups tonight.
I love possessions where we get a bad shot with no passes
So ugly
Weird that Juan and Griffen are our second leading scorers at this point...
One Big Difference- - Dickinson getting nothing what 4 points ?
Really dont understand putting KJ back in for Bidunga. To the point of being a little irritated about it. Hunt is absolutely useless without Flory next to him in this game
Nice set play for Shak.
2-3, hm
Bilas he ran into Hunter.
@approxinfinity Bill has his pets and his guys who he trusts 100% and do no wrong in his eyes and āgive him the best chance to winā
His eye is off with us being 20-14 in the calendar year of 2024
We need these Juan
pass that Harris
DaJuan bad at the line today.
We're 2-5 at the "charity" stripe...
Griffin hasnāt played one minute this half
He and storr are pissed but especially Rylanā¦.bams looks nice now
DJ - 3 missed FTs all yearā¦ tonight 3 misses. Go figure
Flory got 4 blocks tonight, 8 as a team.
ccould of cut it to four- - putting some pressure on them
Held them to 11 so far this half... let's go boys!
@SlimShaddy54 but heās a national champ and clutch right? Thatās what Self tells us
We have 16 turnovers. Is that good?
@wissox sits bench for kj as @approxinfinity and I lose our minds at bills @$$ rotations
Which player is going to step up? I think Mayo or Little Shaq
Dajuan, Moore, x, Flory and x wins this
0-4 Juan.
not Harris apparently
Hunt stuffed at the rim ugh
Could we please make a basket?
Time running out
Hunter is going to dominate his local YMCA next year
Please put Flory in. Please. Please.
Moore so much better than Juan and itās not even close
Defensively heās what Self thinks d2 is and offensively he impacts the game with how he attacks while not scoring.
Selfās sawwffffttt
Not sure how Self can put these same five back out there
This was always penciled in as a loss. So Iām not sweating.
I think the biggest issue is we arenāt running enough through Mayo.
Mayo being off is not good. This team doesnāt shoot very well. Rylan needs to get going to take pressure off Mayo. But thatās a tough ask tonight.
Moore needs to be on the floor as much as possible-- just a big difference with him on the floor
Hunt and KJ 4-15...
@approxinfinity That could explain the difficulty in running on 2 feetš
As much as we might try to find others to blame , once again Dickinson ha done nothing - -6 points
Nope, no Bidunga.
Otzelberger seems to be moving up from the 132lb to heavyweight wrestling class
Well I take that back- - -Hunter can foul
@SlimShaddy54 said in Looking forward to Hilton:
As much as we might try to find others to blame , once again Dickinson ha done nothing - -6 points
Would be nice if someone else would step up. Itās just been mayo and hunt carrying the offensive load this entire season.
@DanR said in Looking forward to Hilton:
@Kcmatt7 this game was/is totally winnable
Sure but a loss isnāt the end of the world is all Iām saying.
We were always going to be underdogs this game.
We just start to get close and then throw it away
@DanR said in Looking forward to Hilton:
Otzelberger seems to be moving up from the 132lb to heavyweight wrestling class
Heās going to look like that boxer Butterball if he doesnāt watch out.
Yeah not the end of the world, just disappointing. We could have won this.
Just cut it to five and watch them fold
@SlimShaddy54 and who steps up in his absence?
AJ with a block - - Griffin with key bucket -- -hmmmm
fresh legs
Yeah Storr and Griffin did nothing to warrant riding pine until now.
@DanR said in Looking forward to Hilton:
fresh legs
Iād think their butts are half numb from the bench. Lol
here we go on another mini run
Good D by Storr
And one
one bad lob there by juando
Storr with another rebound
Theyāre not giving up, like that
Block by Rylan
Juan makes his FTs and this game is tied....
Wide open 3 to cut it to 2, brick
@BeddieKU23 well double hop step back
@DCHawker said in Looking forward to Hilton:
Juan makes his FTs and this game is tied....
If Dickinson does anything on offense, KU has a lead.
no offensive set. Come on
How many steps?
That's why storr don't play
Storr š¤¦āāļø
Storr has peaked. Get him out.
Oh well. Flory out
game. Rebound the ball bro
Hunter with the pitiful reboUnding
Hunter decides not to go for that lose ball.
And THIS IS WHY IOWA ST IS 2ND IN THE NATION
Took Flory out and Hunt did that
@BeddieKU23 said in Looking forward to Hilton:
That's why storr don't play
You could visibly see Billās frustration after that shot
Tat on you Hunter
Hunt. Grab the rebound - rebounds win games guys. Figure it out.
Dagger
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Storr with a stupid shot, Hunter lazy as hell, Coit doesn't know where to go to guard.
Hunter is so lazy it is frustrating to watch
Three possession game, kids. Step up.
@BeddieKU23 said in Looking forward to Hilton:
Has an ugly shot too
This team has about 3 guys I canāt wait to not see in a Jayhawks uniform ever againā¦
@approxinfinity Hunter pitiful period-- and I wish I was there and take that dam siren and shove it right up some Iowa St fans ass -tell now blow that bitch
I know Humter has to play cautiously right now with 4 fouls, but there was no excuse for that one.
9 point game - 9 point difference at the FT line...
Bill didnāt even wait for the under 4 timeout
Iām cracked fellas. Just wanted to win this one bad. This isnt a player regression. Its a stubborn ass coach.
we hit our free throws and Hunter do ANYTHING and this game would be in our favor
Why is Coit is still out there?
@Texas-Hawk-10 its like this is a rec game and Bill realized he needed to give Coit more minutes
what else would that have been other than a held ball? Cyclowns.
AJ played aggressive defense until the foul.
phantom foul
AJ Storr plays the same defense as middle schoolers.
Weak call
Hunters lack of hustle is glaring today.
Can't have five guys out there not knowing how to run the offense and expect to win at this point. Gross.
Bilas right - we have gotten beat to most of the loose balls...
@approxinfinity said in Looking forward to Hilton:
@Kcmatt7 AJ Storr, Hunter Dickinson and ā¦ Bill Self?
Honestly Juan. Juan is a crutch.
Iowa St just quicker to the loose balls
wild passes no plan
Storr must have a sky high usage rate. Black hole
Come on Hunter!
@dylans said in Looking forward to Hilton:
Storr must have a sky high usage rate. Black hole
Over 30% last season.
@DanR said in Looking forward to Hilton:
wild passes no plan
That's just how AJ Storr plays offense.
Iowa St going to end up parading to the line make this game score look worse yet then it was
Actually have more FGs and FG%, but huge difference at the FT line and getting beat on the boards...
that about wraps up how how this game went the entire night
Five guard lineup stinks
Dickinson should of just stayed home
@DanR said in Looking forward to Hilton:
Five guard lineup stinks
Because 3 of those 5 are shit defenders.
3 of Harris, Moore, Adams, and Flory need to be on the floor for the defense to be its most effective.
Well, that was a rough one. We kept staying close and then kept doing stupid stuff.
This team just is mid af. Talent is there. This is a Bill Self problem
Give the clowns some credit. They usually fold. Unfortunately, this KU team has no beast mode.
I told you guys. Leave ISU guards a little space on the perimeter and its an automatic 3.
This game was lost on 50/50 balls. Hopefully a lesson for the squad. On to the next one.
KU'S collective would like a refund on the Storr fee
Not an eighteen point losss just gave a total ho hum in the end for sure
Game got away from KU late, definitely some give up vibes.
This was the first game I have honest feelings about wanting to move on from Self.
Its scary, and hard to replace a coach like Self.
But it might be time if we are an early out this tourney on his account.
Talent is there.
One alpha dog on the team, and Bill won't let the team ride on his shoulders
I am going to predict - - -Hoston beats Iowa State
Bill has two of best scorers transfer in from the Big 10. Has a guy who scored 11 ppg from a FF team. A guy who dropped 22 ppg a year ago. The POY from Summit.
And we canāt fucking score.
This one on Bill
Congrats, ISU. Hope you can handle the heat!
Elite defense. Offense is very much not elite. I don't think the offense is going to get much better this year unfortunately.
When Self retires, who would you want to replace him?
Disappointing loss and there isn't a lot of positives to take from it. You just have 3 Sr's that are very limited offensive players. Mayo not being the focal pt and not realizing just how impactful Flory has been, kind of keeping the team from finding it's ceiling which has shown itself a lot since December to be low
Can we hire an offensive coordinator?
@BeddieKU23 doesnt matter if he is stuck coordinating Hunt Harris and KJ
The team isnāt jelling. Storr is in desperation mode. Kinda sad to watch.
Iām not sure this is Selfs fault. Hunter looks slow. Kj plays his heart out but canāt really score, and now this team is struggling. Mayo is a nice surprise.
I remember before the season, the consensus was that this team was going to suck on D. Actually their D is pretty damn good at times.
Would be hard to see this squad be a potential nat champion, but Iāve decided to chuck expectations and try to enjoy them as they are
@Bosthawk said in Looking back at Hilton:
The team isnāt jelling. Storr is in desperation mode. Kinda sad to watch.
Iām not sure this is Selfs fault. Hunter looks slow. Kj plays his heart out but canāt really score, and now this team is struggling. Mayo is a nice surprise.I remember before the season, the consensus was that this team was going to suck on D. Actually their D is pretty damn good at times.
Would be hard to see this squad be a potential nat champion, but Iāve decided to chuck expectations and try to enjoy them as they are
Only thing I would say is they Bill has a very large purse to get āhisā guys. NIL changes expectations, fair or not.
@Bosthawk said in Looking back at Hilton:
The team isnāt jelling. Storr is in desperation mode. Kinda sad to watch.
Iām not sure this is Selfs fault. Hunter looks slow. Kj plays his heart out but canāt really score, and now this team is struggling. Mayo is a nice surprise.I remember before the season, the consensus was that this team was going to suck on D. Actually their D is pretty damn good at times.
Would be hard to see this squad be a potential nat champion, but Iāve decided to chuck expectations and try to enjoy them as they are
Storr isn't in desperation mode, that's always been his game. He has always been selfish with the ball and takes a bunch of bad shots and makes dumb passes.
@Texas-Hawk-10
Didnāt know thatā¦ that explains his selfish play
@Texas-Hawk-10 AJ moves his head completely to see ball and man instead of getting in position to see ball and man at same time. I know you coach jr hi boys and I watch jr hi gals. Been awhile since I coached that age. You're right.
Iām still in the tweaks not overhaul mode. A couple minutes here, a couple there and all the sudden things look a lot better. As much as I hate to say it because I adore KJ, but if heās out for a bit we might see some guys step up.
The defense wasnāt terrible, you wonāt beat them while they are shooting 62% from 3 in Hilton. We just had zero answers on offense a combined 10 points for Hunt and KJ wonāt win us many games. Silly turnovers and missed FTs at key moments by our 5th year senior PG was definitely disappointing.
Hunter was soft as baby shit tonight. There's no reason why he shouldn't make multiple trips to the FT line every game, but zero tonight.
Other than the FT line, Dejuan wasn't bad tonight and I don't put a ton of blame on him for tonight. And this doesn't mean that he was perfect, but he doesn't get the majority of the blame tonight the way Hunter does.
@FarmerJayhawk said in Looking forward to Hilton:
Iām still in the tweaks not overhaul mode. A couple minutes here, a couple there and all the sudden things look a lot better. As much as I hate to say it because I adore KJ, but if heās out for a bit we might see some guys step up.
Game was closer than the final score for sure. It was tight with 6 minutes left and got away. I hope we are done with AJ after this showing and the Diggy minutes baffle me.
@Bosthawk said in Looking back at Hilton:
@Texas-Hawk-10
Didnāt know thatā¦ that explains his selfish play
AJ had a 32% usage rate at Wisconsin last season. He is the Temu version of James Harden
@approxinfinity Heās regressed on roster construction and his scheme
High low with a 5 whoās slow and canāt guard
A 4 who canāt shoot anything but a dunk and canāt rebound
Pg who canāt defend on the ball, canāt attack and canāt score or shoot consistently
Billās āguysā are real and he values stuff that doesnāt translate
Our awesome D held them to 74
Our incredible offense scored a solid 57
You take scorers and teach them to defend and scheme the D up
Bill takes defenders and hopes they magically figure out how to score
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Looking back at Hilton:
@Texas-Hawk-10 AJ moves his head completely to see ball and man instead of getting in position to see ball and man at same time. I know you coach jr hi boys and I watch jr hi gals. Been awhile since I coached that age. You're right.
Jr. High kids doing this is fine because it's the first time for the vast majority to play organized basketball instead of recess or PE basketball. His closeouts suck and that second foul that most were complaining about was a poor technique of wrapping his arms around the guy instead of extending his arms. I teach my players all the time that when they guard like that, a smart player is going to initiate contact a draw a foul every time to take advantage of poor defensive technique.
@SlimShaddy54 Self made sure we #leveledup
Rolls the same 3 guys expecting a different result
Another @$$whoopin on the road to a top 10 team
Man would be nice to actually have a chance to win the conference again
Iām out see you all next year when we have a legit d1 Kansas level pg and pf
Bill sucks at roster construction and coaching guys equally and instilling confidence. Donāt be surprised if Rylan and Storr āare injuredā and donāt finish the season
If you arenāt his guy than good effin luck here
Heās gonna ruin dp as well cause heās past his prime
@FarmerJayhawk ā¦.gets beat by almost 20 on the road and feels a few tweaks here or there and āwe got this boysā
The same rd 32 crew last year is back and everyone expects different results - humanity truly is dumb
@kuballin10 said in Looking back at Hilton:
@SlimShaddy54 Self made sure we #leveledup
nevergonnahappenagain
Rolls the same 3 guys expecting a different result
Another @$$whoopin on the road to a top 10 team
Man would be nice to actually have a chance to win the conference again
Iām out see you all next year when we have a legit d1 Kansas level pg and pf
Bill sucks at roster construction and coaching guys equally and instilling confidence. Donāt be surprised if Rylan and Storr āare injuredā and donāt finish the season
If you arenāt his guy than good effin luck here
Heās gonna ruin dp as well cause heās past his prime
Don't let door hit you on the way out.
@kjayhawks shocking our offense labored yet effin again
Thatās all Billās said for freaking decades - hey bill maybe be introspective and check your philosophy
LOL. Goooodbye. Hope you stick to it, might be good for your mentals to not watch.
@approxinfinity I don't think so. Not yet anyways. This team lacks effort but I think that will change once Hunter is gone
@approxinfinity Self has always had this
Traylor
Morningstar
Reed
Heās always had āhis guysā that are in his circle of trust that limit the teams ceiling. He values things that donāt translate to scoring
Rather than having his team go play excellent he prefers to āmake you play worseā. Already thinking about the other team versus thinking āhow can we play our bestā.
His entire coaching philosophy has been bad but heās been successful due the greatest home court of all time and we did get talent even if he didnāt always play it
He picks some guys to encourage and give huge leashes and other guys he canāt stand and pulls with 1 eff
Iām telling you Rylan aināt happy and his sick of this crap
Others on the team are pissed at what kj, hunt and Juan get away with and the going on three years of Lās is ZERO proof they are WINNERS
14 point differential on FTās made and 3 more 3 pointers made were the difference. Actual shots were exactly the same total at 59. We actually shot 3 more 3 pointers than they did. We had 14 less shots at the charity stripe. Getting to the line and then making them along with reducing stupid TOās and fouls would solve our problems. Wish it was as easy as saying it. I donāt understand why we cannot get fouls called when we drive into the paint.
Tweet Derek Johnson - so telling. Self isnāt tanking his legacy he values defense over offense and schemes that donāt translate to today. You all can see it with minimal bball knowledge which says plenty
Kansas has lost 41 games in the Bill Self era at Kansas by 13 or more points (average of about 2/season)
However, 12 of those have come in the last 2.5 seasons
@BShark said in Looking back at Hilton:
LOL. Goooodbye. Hope you stick to it, might be good for your mentals to not watch.
oh heās going to only watch halves. If weāre down at half, ITS MUST SEE TV
@FarmerJayhawk ā¦ and then must comment on the forum to let us all know how terrible the team and coach are.
@kuballin10 said in Looking back at Hilton:
@FarmerJayhawk ā¦.gets beat by almost 20 on the road and feels a few tweaks here or there and āwe got this boysā
The same rd 32 crew last year is back and everyone expects different results - humanity truly is dumb
Look beyond the box. It was closer than that. This team isnāt that far away. We still have to figure out how to get better on offense with the Juan/Shak combo but we can get there.
gonna have a big turnover again this year.- - AJ will be gone - - -Rylan won't come back --- -Coit will be gone -- Moore will be gone- - - KJ gone - -Hunter is gone - -sorry but the way he plays against athletic bigs or overall athletes not just %'s he is worthless proof is in the pudding, So really won't miss him that much --Rather watch the development of Flory - good rim defender, and eager to see his offensive side develop, more athletic than Hunter - -v Oh ya Zeke gonna be gone too
@SlimShaddy54 said in Looking back at Hilton:
gonna have a big turnover again this year.- - AJ will be gone - - -Rylan won't come back --- -Coit will be gone -- Moore will be gone- - - KJ gone - -Hunter is gone - -sorry but the way he plays against athletic bigs or overall athletes not just %'s he is worthless proof is in the pudding, So really won't miss him that much --Rather watch the development of Flory - good rim defender, and eager to see his offensive side develop, more athletic than Hunter
Rylan and Coit should be back as of today
Not going to win very many games when your Minus ten in rebounds ,----Minus fourteen in free throw points , minus two in assists-- not a winning receipe
@FarmerJayhawk Rylan not going to come back with the way things have went for him-- Coit can for sure go
@SlimShaddy54 said in Looking back at Hilton:
@FarmerJayhawk Rylan not going to come back with the way things have went for him-- Coit can for sure go
Bill will play a proven player alongside two newbies in the backcourt. They wonāt kick Coit to the curb either. Heās a good deep bench piece that understands how to play here. And with revshare itās good money to pass up.
@kuballin10 i cant blame the personnel, even if many of them have limitations that wont go away.
But you cant recruit guys like that and then play to their weaknesses instead of their strengths.
I hope that this game is used as evidence in the court of practice that Shak needs more time on ball, Rylen needs more minutes, and Bidunga needs to be unleashed.
Also I disagree with some here that think AJ should be cut from the rotation. He was capable first half, then rode pine until we were behind and did alright before making a couple mistakes.
I see a guy whom i could see settling down with more consistent minutes.
@FarmerJayhawk Rylan wonāt but nice out with the āas of todayā ya big insider
I can tell you from my Bama connection heās had enough of this trash
@FarmerJayhawk This team has no effin chance to win a title and they are another rd32 exit or sweet 16 beatdown to a legitimate 1 seed
Your eye is as Iād expect with the coaching staff feeding you crap cause they canāt judge talent or maximize rhe roster either
Bama buddy texting me Self is gonna mess up dp and get another pg who canāt score in the portal plus a big who canāt shoot outside 5 feet
If I go on his podcast Iāll let you all here it
@approxinfinity Self doesnāt have his favorites or his pets I swear
If he pumped Shak up as much as he loved d2 - shak would be a more defensive version of Frank
@FarmerJayhawk said in Looking back at Hilton:
@SlimShaddy54 said in Looking back at Hilton:
gonna have a big turnover again this year.- - AJ will be gone - - -Rylan won't come back --- -Coit will be gone -- Moore will be gone- - - KJ gone - -Hunter is gone - -sorry but the way he plays against athletic bigs or overall athletes not just %'s he is worthless proof is in the pudding, So really won't miss him that much --Rather watch the development of Flory - good rim defender, and eager to see his offensive side develop, more athletic than Hunter
Rylan and Coit should be back as of today
Need the 5th year thing passed, get Zeke back to play with DP. But regardless, we could have a fun group, lots to play out yet though.
@approxinfinity itās January and heās completely gutted mentally and lost
Self plays stupid games and wins stupid prizes
We havenāt legitimately competed for a big 12 title going on this third year
Yet the field of 68 guys and everyone pumps self as some stud recruiter and gangster
Those guys got no clue either with how to properly evaluate talent and build a program/maximize it
@BShark said in Looking back at Hilton:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Looking back at Hilton:
@SlimShaddy54 said in Looking back at Hilton:
gonna have a big turnover again this year.- - AJ will be gone - - -Rylan won't come back --- -Coit will be gone -- Moore will be gone- - - KJ gone - -Hunter is gone - -sorry but the way he plays against athletic bigs or overall athletes not just %'s he is worthless proof is in the pudding, So really won't miss him that much --Rather watch the development of Flory - good rim defender, and eager to see his offensive side develop, more athletic than Hunter
Rylan and Coit should be back as of today
Need the 5th year thing passed, get Zeke back to play with DP. But regardless, we could have a fun group, lots to play out yet though.
Thatās going to be an affair. I havenāt read the actual proposal (if there is one?), itāll be interesting to see who it applies to, in what sports, etc etc
I really donāt think this loss changes a lot with it being to a top 5 team on the road. I wouldnāt even be remotely worried if we had taken care of business against Fizzou and WV. We can still win this conference but it just got a lot tougher IMO. I think 3 losses wins it but the way we play on the road Iām not banking on us winning another away from Allen.
Itās concerning that guys like KJ, Hunt, Storr and Coit seem to have zero bounce to start games. Our starters are all experienced seniors but they donāt play with any poise. I donāt think Juan was terrible in the game tonight but a few freshmen level turnovers and 1/6 from the line for a 5th year senior guard is flat out unacceptable. Which in turn made it a terrible night. Hunt was super soft tonight which we all knew was a terrible match up with how ISU plays. Hopefully we take our frustration on the Mildcats Saturday like we did UCF.
Edit: Iāll continue to blow my horn at KJ playing too much. Both of our big runs had him on the bench.
There will be people here come Saturday that will think everything with Dickinson is just fine when he rebounds with an effort like 20 & 12 and people will say see everything is fine- - ummm NO - -NO it's not , Dickinson I'll say once again is slow ---so slow , and every time he comes up against another Big that's close to his size and athletic count him out he is a no show does nothing - -once again NO VERTICAL gets beat on defense , complains about every call- -Dickinson is NOT Athletic at all,- -What Hunter is -- -is Big- -Bulky- -and a very slow non athletic even his post moves are slow and methodical. Dickinson may not be our main problem but he for sure is a problem
@BShark you want another year of kj and d2??? You canāt be serious
āKansas beats top teams early in the season; he lets them play for a couple of games, then puts them into the round holes. Notice that after KU wins those games, he says something like, "Well, we didn't play any defense.."ā
Truer words never spoken
@SlimShaddy54 crazy what happens when you dont play ucf
@kjayhawks said in Looking back at Hilton:
I really donāt think this loss changes a lot with it being to a top 5 team on the road. I wouldnāt even be remotely worried if we had taken care of business against Fizzou and WV. We can still win this conference but it just got a lot tougher IMO. I think 3 losses wins it but the way we play on the road Iām not banking on us winning another away from Allen.
Itās concerning that guys like KJ, Hunt, Storr and Coit seem to have zero bounce to start games. Our starters are all experienced seniors but they donāt play with any poise. I donāt think Juan was terrible in the game tonight but a few freshmen level turnovers and 1/6 from the line for a 5th year senior guard is flat out unacceptable. Which in turn made it a terrible night. Hunt was super soft tonight which we all knew was a terrible match up with how ISU plays. Hopefully we take our frustration on the Mildcats Saturday like we did UCF.
Edit: Iāll continue to blow my horn at KJ playing too much. Both of our big runs had him on the bench.
It really doesn't. It didn't change much with computer rankings at all.
I wonder how much Huntās foot is bothering him, if at all, that limits his aggressiveness and intensity.
Defense wins titlesā¦.
Top 5 ranked teams
1) Auburn - 86ppg
2) ISU - 86 ppg
3) Duke - 80 ppg
4) Alabama - 89 ppg
5) Florida - 86 ppg
@patoh3 Bottom line is we need to try and getting looking for excuses for getting beat and some of these players just flat getting beat on defense and just not having their heads in the game - -Time to stand up and be accounted for you play piss poorly then you should be willing to take accountability for the poor play
So here is this - -Both teams shoot identical FG % for the game 40.9 %- -24/59. Big reason for this loss ISU five less turnovers m and Fourteen free throw advantage of made- -18/4 - -no reason for this -- these are FREE POINTS your opposition is giving you-- -they are FREE for God's sakes.-- & getting beat by ten rebounds with our 7'2 guy-- NICE--No Excuses, time to stand up and represent the name written on the Jersey- -you play like a pile then be willing to admit-- I played like crap - - No Excuses-- time to get your ass in gear-- How Dickinson ever got mentioned as a possible Big Twelve player of the year/All American- -WHERRE I don't see it, if that's an All American then something is fixed & if he is then play like an All American against quality opponents not just Cream Puff University
This was one we were always going to lose. Its okay. Let's take care of K-State now
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The lowdown
Self letās his upper classmen guys get away with a million mistakes but they are āhis guys with a leashā even though their results are more Lās and blowouts than ever before
Brings in other upper classmen and treats them like freshman
Oats aināt coming here and programs licking their chops watching Houston and isu run things while another blue blood becomes the next ucla/indiana
@approxinfinity Sorry for the late response, the Y was calling for a late night swim so I turned it off. Maybe this is true for a lot of schools like them but team construction is different. Not too many 5 stars playing there. System players seems to be Gard's MO and he seems to be pretty good at constructing a team. Right now they're fairly deep, but guys coming off the bench are not big time portal guys, but a UWGB guard Kamari McGee who has been amazing, or John Tonje, again not a huge name but is probably an all american, 2nd team, 3rd team? He's pushing the right buttons this year it looks like.
"Itās always the same equation for us in Amesā¦. Can we take care of the ball? Hilton is a tough venue and if we start this game with turnovers and fall behind the temperature in Hilton rises from screaming fans and becomes easy for them to roll us! If we keep it to around 10 total turnovers in the game, we stand a chance. We need to keep Hunter in the low post and space properly."
Hunter was pure awful... very anemic. It's so hard to win when he plays outside the paint. His high ball screens do nothing. He hasn't hit a three in centuries, he has no chance at a rebound, and his strength is in low post scoring, but he allowed himself to get pushed around in this game. Didn't help the refs had some bad calls. His "arm bar" foul was ridiculous. Self should have thrown a fit and drew a technical to see if his guys would wake up.
Our guys came in here feeling sure they were going to lose. It's that kind of game we get from several foes in AFH. I bet we go 10 in a row losses in Ames now. It's already been 3 in a row. The mental conditioning has begun.
KJ didn't have a great game but I give him kudos for bringing effort above the rest... except for Zeke, who was his normal greatness!
@kjayhawks said in Looking back at Hilton:
wtf are you doing Juan? Jesus looking like a freshman
x100
Hey, it sucks to lose. But losing like that is maddening and frustrating. F-U-G-L-Y.
I lost track of how many times we got a turnover and within a split second turned it right back over.
But, we had a chance to be in this game all night. Stupid turnovers and bad decision making.
I think starting Shak has positives and negatives. The defense is obviously better. But, today at least, we suffer with really only ONE offensive threat on the perimeter. Shouldnāt take much for teams to try to shutdown Zeke. Leaves zero room for Hunter to operate and gain good position.
So, if youāre starting Shak, you gotta start Rylan and not KJ, who is a non threat on O.
Self has his hands full. I wish he would think about offense. You have to score more than the other team to win.
And of course ā fun with the box score.
Sums it up:
FTs
KU 4-11
ISU 18-25
Game over.
Hunter made two decisions to take it easy and not over exert himself and ISU hustled and got possession. One was followed by an ISU three dagger. They played us tougher than we could handle but in spite of our bad passing we still got good looks but couldn't convert. It looks like Juan, Zeke and a top five recruiting first year class of three and four stars who we thought and they thought were likely one and done guys. Our basic offense just looks like a road to nowhere. I go into games thinking it will finally click and the pent up talent will explode. I haven't given up but hurry up before I give out. Of course it is hard to win when Cyclone Jones who shoots with one butt cheek facing the basket is making 30 footers.
@rockchalkjayhawk that shows how aggressive we aināt. Not sure I remember a team of KUs hovering around single digits for FT attempts.
@Zabudda said in Looking back at Hilton:
Hunter made two decisions to take it easy and not over exert himself and ISU hustled and got possession. One was followed by an ISU three dagger. They played us tougher than we could handle but in spite of our bad passing we still got good looks but couldn't convert. It looks like Juan, Zeke and a top five recruiting first year class of three and four stars who we thought and they thought were likely one and done guys. Our basic offense just looks like a road to nowhere. I go into games thinking it will finally click and the pent up talent will explode. I haven't given up but hurry up before I give out. Of course it is hard to win when Cyclone Jones who shoots with one butt cheek facing the basket is making 30 footers.
I posted earlier this season, every year we have ran 4 guards since 2010 we have made it to atleast the elite 8. The years we ran the 1980s high low we were setting at home after the first weekend.
KU's season point distribution (% of total):
- 3-pointers: 26.9% (ranked 292)
- 2-pointers: 61.0% (ranked 4)
- Free throws: 12.1% (ranked 364 - this is dead last)
Had a friend send this to me and I stared at it for 10 minutes like it was a modern art masterpiece (of terrible). This would have been bad in 1996. We cannot win this way.
@MoonwalkMafia Uh uh uh yeah we can cause you wonāt play every game good so uh uh when we play bad we just gotta make sure they play worse
The problem is we play bad a lot (more blowouts in 2.5 years than ever before). Selfās philosophy is iowa football: win 17-14 - vs. we need to be Oregon or Ohio State with athletes and let them play.
Other site nailed it - we win big games early like the Duke game but then you hear Self say āoh well we didnāt play any defense tonightā. He fails to recognize we won that game as Hunter sat the last 8 minutesā¦..heās that oblivious
Heās won consistently with defense but only has the 2 titles after more 1 seeds than you can imagine.
Playing the way we do though it makes sense with how the tourney goes. Tony Bennett, Iowa football - that crap never works in any sport for multiple titles unless you have a ton of luck like 2022 (Billās words).
If Bill canāt be successful unless you have guys in the system for 3+ years he needs to retire. He treats jr transfers like freshman which he canāt grasp not to do.
Rather than taking us to new heights after his heart heās taken us the opposite direction while supposedly getting the players he wants with no ncaa cloud and great nil.
This is all on him and he wonāt ever fix it because he wonāt switch the rotations up because of his trust and loyalty
As @approxinfinity is seeing we come back with kj on the bench and he puts him right back in and their lead expands.
Bill hasnāt seen clear for well over 3 years now and without remy and kalkenbrenner heād be looking even more foolish
Dajuan is atrocious. He is the worst PG of the Self era by far. KJ played with effort but he isnāt very skilled so at some point it becomes harmful. Hunter wasnāt into it at all yesterday.
At this point Iām just looking forward to next season and getting some new kids in the program.
@MoonwalkMafia said in Looking back at Hilton:
KU's season point distribution (% of total):
- 3-pointers: 26.9% (ranked 292)
- 2-pointers: 61.0% (ranked 4)
- Free throws: 12.1% (ranked 364 - this is dead last)Had a friend send this to me and I stared at it for 10 minutes like it was a modern art masterpiece (of terrible). This would have been bad in 1996. We cannot win this way.
To not get any free throws while taking mostly 2s is astounding.
@kjayhawks said in Looking back at Hilton:
@Zabudda said in Looking back at Hilton:
Hunter made two decisions to take it easy and not over exert himself and ISU hustled and got possession. One was followed by an ISU three dagger. They played us tougher than we could handle but in spite of our bad passing we still got good looks but couldn't convert. It looks like Juan, Zeke and a top five recruiting first year class of three and four stars who we thought and they thought were likely one and done guys. Our basic offense just looks like a road to nowhere. I go into games thinking it will finally click and the pent up talent will explode. I haven't given up but hurry up before I give out. Of course it is hard to win when Cyclone Jones who shoots with one butt cheek facing the basket is making 30 footers.
I posted earlier this season, every year we have ran 4 guards since 2010 we have made it to atleast the elite 8. The years we ran the 1980s high low we were setting at home after the first weekend.
This statement is objectively false.
@TYOHawk The more I look at the program since 2013 the worse it actually gets on how he handles players and his system
The best teams as the other poster pointed out were 4/1 and yet heās talking about playing 3 bigs because heās so frustrated with our wings. Maybe coddle them like you do the big 3 and theyād produce better.
If he Embiid or Oubreās incoming DP he needs to be āretiredā next year because he will have effed up yet another roster.
Heās going to value Elmarko and McDowell and somehow Clemence might get minutes because they know what he wants and practice well versus all the young guys and 1-3 upper classmen transfers he brings in and gets mad at how they do things in practice.
He runs a program like the 80ās
Heās gaslit the program for multiple years that Juan is the truest pure pg and incredible - people said āself knows more than message board idiotsā and actually the people watching the games from their house could see it clearer
He thought Hunter is the next Jokovic and he canāt defend a ball screen or the rack, roll quickly to the hoop or hit 3ās consistently. Yet Bill knows more and plays him
Heās gaslit us that kj is as impactful to a game as Ochai was. He had the game against Duke and watching Duke that would go different if we played again. Every other game he canāt score outside a dunk, kills all offensive spacing (doesnāt matter Juan canāt beat his man off the dribble consistently anyways) and canāt rebound.
He plays a pg who isnāt a threat to score and canāt shoot - when he shoots a lot the other team loves it. And he plays a 4 man that is zero threat to score and other teams donāt guard. We then canāt score but he doesnāt care because defensively heās happy getting beat 74-57. Oh but with 4 minutes left it was a 6 point game. Did you all watch? We never had control, weāre down the 15-11 and NEVER took the lead again. OH YEAH BUT WE WERE RIGHT THERE BABY AND ALMOST HAD THIS ONE!
Yet Self never sits these three - thinks they are his best shot to win and has yet another year where we arenāt even conference contenders let alone a title
Hope you all keep those title hopes alive and keep on believin because you clearly are seeing the same stuff I have for 3 years and somehow expecting different results which is the definition of insanity
Frank - Josh team - Oregon loss
Graham, Svi, Newman team - nova final 4 blowout as we dumped it into big doke to start, didnāt guard nova out to the 3 line and got trounced
2022 team with JW at the 4 - reversal to nova and revenge
Whatās false about it?
If you are talking about my statements then you may be right.
But you cannot mean that about Butt Cheek Jones' side straddle release!
@kuballin10 said in Looking back at Hilton:
Frank - Josh team - Oregon loss
Graham, Svi, Newman team - nova final 4 blowout as we dumped it into big doke to start, didnāt guard nova out to the 3 line and got trounced
2022 team with JW at the 4 - reversal to nova and revenge
Whatās false about it?
@kjayhawks said since 2010 correct? 2011 and 2012 each used high-low with 2 bigs as the base offense with an Elite 8 and title game appearance. 2013-2015 were all 4 guard line up teams and none reached the Elite 8 and two of those teams were 9 and 10 loss seasons with second round exits. Also, Doke didn't play in the 2018 Final Four because he was out for the season with injury.
So, an objectively false statement just like yours about being done posting for the year, yet you're still posting.
@rockchalkjayhawk Alot of that is from 2nd chance points and ISU attacking the rim-- -that's something we don't seem capable of or just flat don't want to do - good reason for that separation
My blood pressure is so much better after giving up college basketball. I'll still watch college football even though the transfer portal and NIL evil exists, but at least in football you get to watch them knock the crap out of each other. That's always fun. See y'all August 23rd.
@kuballin10 said in Looking back at Hilton:
@TYOHawk The more I look at the program since 2013 the worse it actually gets on how he handles players and his system
The best teams as the other poster pointed out were 4/1 and yet heās talking about playing 3 bigs because heās so frustrated with our wings. Maybe coddle them like you do the big 3 and theyād produce better.
If he Embiid or Oubreās incoming DP he needs to be āretiredā next year because he will have effed up yet another roster.
Heās going to value Elmarko and McDowell and somehow Clemence might get minutes because they know what he wants and practice well versus all the young guys and 1-3 upper classmen transfers he brings in and gets mad at how they do things in practice.
He runs a program like the 80ās
Heās gaslit the program for multiple years that Juan is the truest pure pg and incredible - people said āself knows more than message board idiotsā and actually the people watching the games from their house could see it clearer
He thought Hunter is the next Jokovic and he canāt defend a ball screen or the rack, roll quickly to the hoop or hit 3ās consistently. Yet Bill knows more and plays him
Heās gaslit us that kj is as impactful to a game as Ochai was. He had the game against Duke and watching Duke that would go different if we played again. Every other game he canāt score outside a dunk, kills all offensive spacing (doesnāt matter Juan canāt beat his man off the dribble consistently anyways) and canāt rebound.
He plays a pg who isnāt a threat to score and canāt shoot - when he shoots a lot the other team loves it. And he plays a 4 man that is zero threat to score and other teams donāt guard. We then canāt score but he doesnāt care because defensively heās happy getting beat 74-57. Oh but with 4 minutes left it was a 6 point game. Did you all watch? We never had control, weāre down the 15-11 and NEVER took the lead again. OH YEAH BUT WE WERE RIGHT THERE BABY AND ALMOST HAD THIS ONE!
Yet Self never sits these three - thinks they are his best shot to win and has yet another year where we arenāt even conference contenders let alone a title
Hope you all keep those title hopes alive and keep on believin because you clearly are seeing the same stuff I have for 3 years and somehow expecting different results which is the definition of insanity
He keeps calling Juan a winner but weāve gotten our ass kicked more during his era as PG than ever before in Coachās history. If it wasnāt for Remy we wouldāve never saw the second weekend during Dajuanās tenure.
Hard to see Zach being on the roster next year if I'm being honest
@Texas-Hawk-10 Iāll dive into the teams another time but your flat out wrong again about 2018
Whoās this #35 that played against nova? You donāt remember them talking about his Mom coming over to see him play?
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore/_/gameId/401025886 ā
The thing that bothers me most about last night besides the poor in-game management of rotations and reading the room of who was playing well/wasn't, is the fact three Seniors, two of them 5th/6th year guys did not have a lot of poise during critical parts of this game. The turnovers last night were awful from Juan and Hunt in particular. This is a reoccurring issue that happens in big games like this, especially on the road. We've seen the ceiling of all 3, there is nothing untapped to unlock from any of them. Maybe they will learn from this but I'm not optimistic there.
Hunt's effort last night was piss-poor on both ends. There's a pattern there with him when things don't go well. Competitiveness especially.
Juan missing 5 Free Throws at critical points of the game. Unfortunate I guess is the nice way of putting it.
Hopefully KJ is okay with that shoulder, but he was not good on offense around the rim. 4 years later with his athletic ability and still not finishing strong and through contact.
Zeke is our best offensive player and yet he is rarely the focus. Flory is one of our best 5 players and yet he's a sub playing out of position when Hunt stays in. What a mess
Also wanna say I hate that Zeke is on this roster. I know the front of that jersey means something to that kid and heās played his ass off. Heās just stuck on a roster where the circle of trust runs this roster.
@TYOHawk said in Looking back at Hilton:
Also wanna say I hate that Zeke is on this roster. I know the front of that jersey means something to that kid and heās played his ass off. Heās just stuck on a roster where the circle of trust runs this roster.
You don't think the front of the jersey means anything to Juan or KJ??
@Woodrow said in Looking back at Hilton:
@TYOHawk said in Looking back at Hilton:
Also wanna say I hate that Zeke is on this roster. I know the front of that jersey means something to that kid and heās played his ass off. Heās just stuck on a roster where the circle of trust runs this roster.
You don't think the front of the jersey means anything to Juan or KJ??
Considering weāve been getting our ass kicked during most of Juanās tenure not really. For KJ I do think it means something so Iām wrong for omitting him but Zeke is a Lawrence kid.
ESPN radio just said Self has lost by 12 or more points 40 times in his KU career, 13 of those have came in the last 3 years to date. Thats over 32% of blowouts in a very short time frame for Kansas basketball. We all aināt used to that for sure
@Texas-Hawk-10 I meant to say 2015 in terms of the high low garbage not working. Slice it up any way you want to its pretty damn evident it isnāt working and hasnāt since 2011-12. Bill Self this point has lost his damn mind IMO.
Doesnāt it kinda suck that for the last four or five years every argument comes down to KJ and Juan?
@rockchalkjayhawk said in Looking back at Hilton:
Doesnāt it kinda suck that for the last four or five years every argument comes down to KJ and Juan?
Theyāre kind of holding the program hostage.
@rockchalkjayhawk yes to the point where people on X are asking what pictures they have of Self he doesnāt want to come out. The same radio show was saying Juan maybe the worst 4 year starter 5th year senior in NCAA history and itās hard to argue at this point.
Wow! How low can you go? Ask some of the players what KU means to Juan, CB, Och, Wilson, Big Dave, Kevin, KJ, ask last yrs team or Gurley and Hanni. These players and guys know a hell of a lot more than you do!
@TYOHawk Yeah problem is Self is the only guy on the planet who doesnāt see it that way
In his mind Juan is one of the greatest KU pgās and led them to a national title - because heās said that for now 3 straight years and his actions of playing him so many minutes confirm it
@kuballin10 said in Looking back at Hilton:
@TYOHawk Yeah problem is Self is the only guy on the planet who doesnāt see it that way
In his mind Juan is one of the greatest KU pgās and led them to a national title - because heās said that for now 3 straight years and his actions of playing him so many minutes confirm it
Legit laughable take. We wouldāve been out in the second round if it wasnāt for Remy. Creighton was leaving Dajuan open all first half. Self has had favorites before ie Jamari Traylor and etc. But the love for the core 3 and them being in the circle of trust is making for some unwatchable basketball.
@BeddieKU23 I agree probably with you on 99% , I also think in a lot of these bigger , more intense games these guys get sped up, which is not good. They get caught up with better more athletic players and then turns into a cluster F - - - , Has to be changes BUT were not going to see it --Coach has that bull headed streak in him, which is not good.
I'm still a huge fan of Coach but dam got to fix this as much as i hate to say the article I read and then posted the thread here titled about harsh was spot on.- -I think coach has to turn that leash lose and let these guys go. - - How can a kid feel comfortable/confident when he spends more time looking over at the scorers table every time he makes a mistake, worried about getting yanked,
Dam straight does it suck mistakes are being made? -- hell ya it does, but we see mistakes galore from Dickinson -- even Juan and yet you don't see either getting yanked out in a flash- -let these kids play through the mis mistake and learn- - the mistake is in the past and move on There is no way a player can focus on his game- - -and play to his capability if he is scared to death the first time he screws up he is getting yanked.
All your doing with that approach is destroying any self confidence the kid may have to where he becomes a shell of himself and then what?- -Plus you can believe this or not BUT sooner or later this kind of happenings is going to get out and players aren't going to want to come play here and go through this bullshit --you don't think if another player who is considering KU if they talk to AJ and or Griffen or whoever and ask how their experience here and playing for Coach Self was, you don't think they won't say it sucked and your an idiot if you come and go through this- --Ha guess again
Now watch come Sat and if we curb stomp KSU and play well then all you hear is - -ove see people just over reacting we are fine we don't have issues- - - umm YES we do and they need fiixed and fixed now
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Looking back at Hilton:
Wow! How low can you go? Ask some of the players what KU means to Juan, CB, Och, Wilson, Big Dave, Kevin, KJ, ask last yrs team or Gurley and Hanni. These players and guys know a hell of a lot more than you do!
You are missing the point young lady. No one is saying these guys donāt care about KU. Maybe Storr doesnāt care about anything or Hunt didnāt last night. A bit of advise that I got from a successful college coach āMy job is to find someone better than my current players. The players job is to push themselves to the level that I canāt do my jobā. Coaches have to put their team in the best position win games regardless of whom you like better or have had on your roster longer.
@kjayhawks reread it!
I think people are overcomplicating what's going on here. An offense with Harris and Adams each playing 30 minutes a game is never going to be better than mediocre because of how limited they are offensively. It's exacerbated by Shak Moore (and I like him) not being a good shooter and David Coit being on a legendary cold streak shooting the ball.
Griffen needs to be playing 30+ minutes (currently only averaging 18), and Storr needs more minutes too (also averaging 18). I realize Storr has sucked this year, but he's a career 35% 3pt shooter and is probably our best hope of getting to the FT line more often if he can manage to get his act together.
Defense has been pretty good for the most part, but Hunter has the mobility of a 40-year-old man and good teams like Iowa St that force Hunter to defend PnRs, rotate, and recover are going to get a lot of open looks/layups.
Basically I think Zeke and Rylan need to be leading the team in minutes, KJ's minutes need to go down significantly, and Juan's minutes need to go down slightly. And if Coit continues to play like this I'd rather see Passmore get minutes.
@rockchalkjayhawk It is a little tiresome. A little unfair too, that players worse than them take none of the blame. But that's the way the cookie crumbles.
Imagine thinking you actually know what is going through Bill's mind. The narcissism required for that is enormous.
@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Looking back at Hilton:
I think people are overcomplicating what's going on here. An offense with Harris and Adams each playing 30 minutes a game is never going to be better than mediocre because of how limited they are offensively. It's exacerbated by Shak Moore (and I like him) not being a good shooter and David Coit being on a legendary cold streak shooting the ball.
Griffen needs to be playing 30+ minutes (currently only averaging 18), and Storr needs more minutes too (also averaging 18). I realize Storr has sucked this year, but he's a career 35% 3pt shooter and is probably our best hope of getting to the FT line more often if he can manage to get his act together.
Defense has been pretty good for the most part, but Hunter has the mobility of a 40-year-old man and good teams like Iowa St that force Hunter to defend PnRs, rotate, and recover are going to get a lot of open looks/layups.
Basically I think Zeke and Rylan need to be leading the team in minutes, KJ's minutes need to go down significantly, and Juan's minutes need to go down slightly. And if Coit continues to play like this I'd rather see Passmore get minutes.
Been saying this for over 2 years now on Juan and KJs minutes
@rockchalkjayhawk said in Looking back at Hilton:
Doesnāt it kinda suck that for the last four or five years every argument comes down to KJ and Juan?
Can we all agree that Hunter is the most immobile upright ferret weāve ever seen run? Just looking for something to unite the boardā¦
Son of Thom, Son of Mickel, Son of Dickins.
All the Hunters I know.
@approxinfinity Hunter doesnāt seem to have a spec of athletic ability at this point.
@approxinfinity yea, sure. butā¦
He doesnāt need much athletic ability to get his shot off. Great touch. He needs teammates or a coach with the ability to get him open near the hoop. Not 15 feet away from the hoop where his unathletic ability slows things down. Spacing!
Itās happened before. It can happen again. Maybe.
Hunter was decent until he picked up his second foul. After that, he was playing not to commit any more fouls which manifested as him being very unaggresive last night.
@BShark Honest question - has he not said all those incredible things about Juan? And does he not play him an obscene amount of minutes in big games which confirms what he said?
Not sure how a poster is a narcissist but maybe the coach whoās ego has never ever been checked and is experiencing legitimate failure with his favorite pg of all time - needs a reality check about his analysis????
Just maybe?
@kjayhawks Itās those two plus Hunt as wellā¦..but definitely those two dating back to the Ark game
@approxinfinity said in Looking back at Hilton:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in Looking back at Hilton:
Doesnāt it kinda suck that for the last four or five years every argument comes down to KJ and Juan?
Can we all agree that Hunter is the most immobile upright ferret weāve ever seen run? Just looking for something to unite the boardā¦
Son of Thom, Son of Mickel, Son of Dickins.
All the Hunters I know.
It is all 3
Best guys to build around at Shak, Zeke and Rylan and definitely sprinkle in Hunt and KJ
No way Bill sees it that way - ooppps Iām a narcissist for even attempting to know what he thinks
I mean wth - what kind of message board is it when the coach says it and plays him a ton
Itās evident he attributes that title to starting pg
More proof??? Try right after the game when THE FIRST guy he gave credit to was Juan
Any other coach points out Big Daveās bucket or remyās herorics but nah we get the guy who stepped ob with 3 seconds and sat for almost the final 10 minutes of game time
I mean speak of a narcissist heās obsessed with giving Juan credit
KU now dead last in free throw attempts in all of college ball
@BeddieKU23 and we donāt shoot a lot of threes
But we love tough 2ās and the mid range game cause we canāt get to the rim well
HUNT - I read other KU stuff, too. I liked the idea where the rest of Huntās NIL money is based on a performance contract. Heās making his big money in life now. Makes sense. He is way too laid back!
JUAN - Self is playing him off the ball now (2 guard). Seems like heās less focused. I like Shaq and his defense but we need more offense out of the 1-2. If itās not him then Juan needs to score more.
SHAQ - heās still not 100%. Most of it now is psychological. Getting him to feel like he can do more and not get hurt. Iām still hopeful to see more improvements from him.
KJ - heās playing with more intensity and itās a huge help. Now if he can regain his shooting touch from mid range!
Rylan/AJ - essentially we play both a few minutes and hope they add a couple buckets. Not big production and itās a pity because many of us expected more.
Diggy - a smaller version of Rylan/AJ.
Flory - heās inconsistentā¦ but heās a freshman. What is clear is we donāt coach up our bigs.
TEAM - we are capable of killing the best teams or losing to the worst. It all depends on the mindset we bring into games. Hope we peak in Marchā¦ could be exciting. I can just as easy see us go home the first weekend. As far as conference crownā¦ forget it. No way! ISU or Houston. I expect us to finish 3 or 4.
I think we've seen Juan isn't a scorer, nor can he be relied upon to do so on any kind of consistent basis. The Creighton/Mizzou week where he went 11/35 from the field in two games where both teams baited him to shoot is a good example.
@drgnslayr it tough to score points when 3 starters donāt look to score and the defense doesnāt have to respect them in the slightest. You only have to guard Zeke and Hunt. Long story short itās just too easy for opposing teams to hold us below 70 most nights.
@drgnslayr I also really like the idea of pay for performance, but I donāt think that is feasible with the current NIL structure.
@patoh3 Donāt worry. The courts just said Title IX means the women need paid an equal amount as menās sports. That 20 million payroll is to be split evenly between womenās and mens sports.
Guess that upcoming 4 million dollar volleyball budget will pay major dividends since volleyball draws the eyes.
Round and round we go. Just when NIL was making people do things above board, title ix swoops in and creates a new necessity for under the table NIL
Hearing KJ is for sure gonna be out tomorrow
@BeddieKU23 said in Looking back at Hilton:
KU now dead last in free throw attempts in all of college ball
A remarkable (remarkably sad) stat. We don't have a player averaging more than 2 FTAs pg other than Dickinson, and he less well less than 3. The past two years, McCullar and Wilson averaged about 6 trips to the line per game. Same with Dotson, Graham and even Lawson. Mason averaged about 7 his senior year. The title team had 4 players averaging 3-5 FTAs per game.
We're on a pace for about ~400 team FTAs. The title team had about 660. The 15-16 team had 762.
Inexplicable, but this team just plays soft...
@DCHawker Agreed. They play very soft, it seems all players do everything in their power to avoid contact. Iād love to see slashers putting pressure on the other team by fouling them up. Iād like to see Flory drawing as many fouls as he gives. Improved rebounding and fouling up the other team are mostly effort plays, they can do it if they set their mind to it.