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Stay tuned, we may have a starter out.

An already bad outlook for this game looks , well challenging if what's to be announced is true

@BeddieKU23 zeke's knee?

Bummer. Maybe that will allow more playing time for a frequently pulled quickly after a turnover guy?

Growth. i'm all for it.

Mercy, seeing things that we all been thinking there sounds like a lot of issues goin on in the locker room causing friction. Sure sounds like really a lot division among players/Coaching- - lot of things involved, sure sounds like Not only Coach but the staff in entirely has lost this group.- - Players confronting one another.- - I think it's a safe bet this Season is done-- -players have checked it in for sure

@Crimsonorblue22

So far everyone going through warm ups. No finality to anything yet.

@BeddieKU23 Zeke ?

Mayo starting. Self starting 3 bigs.

Bidunga starting again @approxinfinity

KJ at the 3 to start.

I got nothing to say anymore

Mmm k

@BeddieKU23 lol. So this is a “f you rylan” move i guess

@approxinfinity

It's already heavily rumored he's checked out and will be leaving at seasons end.

@BeddieKU23 Hang in there-- things GOT to get better- - can't get any worse

@SlimShaddy54

Rock chalk. I'll be sitting the chat out

Is the game not on ESPN?

@BeddieKU23 I debated myself

Same. Everyone watching weird indoor golf?

Ok here we go.

Sigh

This is going great.

0 for three vs 3/4

We're trying to out 3 BYU?????

Start 3 bigs, can’t rebound and jack up 3s smh. That hasn’t work once this season Bill why try it again?

Haven't we seen enough of this crap

@DCHawker With Juan and road zeke.

Time to watch anything else

Not sad to see our guys get punched in the mouth right away. See how they respond...

Budunga mauled no foul

Maybe guard the corner??

Or rebound like ever.

We have 3 front court guys playing and they don't have anyone over 6-8 and we're getting killed on the glass...

Lmao okay maybe Bill had lost it. What are we even watching 😂😂

Do these guys have any idea what the word pride means ?

@Kcmatt7 said in Tonight's game:

Lmao okay maybe Bill had lost it. What are we even watching 😂😂

He hates this team. Has to.

Trash, but this seems to be the game plan. LOL

@benshawks08 More like there are some players that hate him

This team is flat out comical at this point

I hear the Discovery Channel has a scintillating documentary on the sex life of the Monrovian fruit fly

@DCHawker and this surprises you how ?

Good news is I didn’t want to stay up and watch all
this lol

Just got home. Im sure my presence will stabilize the team.

@BeddieKU23 Just arrived, which starter is out?

First inbounds play in at least 10 games. Good start.

This pace is way out of Dickinson league-- these guys running Ku right out of the gym

I’m not convinced Hunter has ever gotten a rebound that didn’t come right to him.

And we are already down a dozen.

I remember when Bill wouldn't play Withey against a small Mizzou team. Good times.

Teams just water at the mouth when they see KU next on the schedule

Can Flory come in for Hunter please?

I want a dude named Egor (even Igor) on our team

Gee - they are 7-11; 8 RBs to our 3; and 7 assists with zero TOs. Sterling effort....

We dont want any Mor… mon

I still don’t understand the switching 5 with 2 or 3 bigs on the floor. I honestly wonder if opposing coaches don’t giggle making a scouting report. Make them switch mismatch for an open 3 or draw the big guys out and lob over the little guys.

We are now the officially the laughing stock of the Big Twelve. -- BYU playing with MUCH MUCH more energy

Hey Bill, take the big useless piece of shit out, OK.

So who’s banging who’s girlfriend? Wtf is this chemistry about? Bill just needs to dismiss some discontents if this is the way it’s going to be.

@kjayhawks said in Tonight's game:

I still don’t understand the switching 5 with 2 or 3 bigs on the floor. I honestly wonder if opposing coaches don’t giggle making a scouting report. Make them switch mismatch for an open 3 or draw the big guys out and lob over the little guys.

This is so true. Like what is the ideal goal here? What is the point except to give up easy mismatch buckets.

@approxinfinity you know how many Mormons it takes to beat KU?

NONE. Anybody can beat KU.

@DanR I play with some guys at the Y -we can come play lol

@benshawks08 said in Tonight's game:

@kjayhawks said in Tonight's game:

I still don’t understand the switching 5 with 2 or 3 bigs on the floor. I honestly wonder if opposing coaches don’t giggle making a scouting report. Make them switch mismatch for an open 3 or draw the big guys out and lob over the little guys.

This is so true. Like what is the ideal goal here? What is the point except to give up easy mismatch buckets.

Yep been doing it for 3 years and it doesn’t work.

Jesus -- Serious

I think Bill read our fishing thread and wants to go

How many times is Flory going to get MUGGED on rebounds, Bill.

Hunter out… consecutive good possessions

Rebounding stats are the best indicator of effort - barring a weird shooting night where everything goes in.

My friend is a Tottenham fan and this week they chanted “you’re nothing special we lose every week” at the opponent. And that’s how I feel now.

Not even nine minutes gone and BYU already 25 points- -now that's what you call stiffening defense

@DanR said in Tonight's game:

How many times is Flory going to get MUGGED on rebounds, Bill.

He may need to get a tech. It’s real bad under there.

Seriously, Flory's been knocked or pulled to the ground three times so far on defensive boards. How the refs missing that shit.

K-State is the Livestock school.

Kansas is the Laughingstock school

They are going to hit the century mark with about 5 minutes left....

Rebounds -

KU -3

BYU - 10

@DanR offensive side too even when the ball isn’t around. The BYU game plan is absolutely maul the bigs and then run run run. It is working very well.

@benshawks08 switching 5 was okay in 2022 with 4 guards and David that was excellent at guarding a ball screen. I’m just lost to how a HOF coach can do the same thing repeatedly with shitty results and wake up on game day thinking it will work today.

@DCHawker in the first half.

@benshawks08 Yep. Good strategy on BYU's part

@kjayhawks The guars we had in 2022 were MUCH better then these clowns

We may very well lose at Colorado.

I'm not really watching this crap now. But I'm having lots of fun with you folks

Weakest foul so far. Good job ref, for waking up.

Not to play devils advocate here, but we looked a lot better against Duke with Hunter off the floor

I'm proud to be a Jayhawk!

KJ can outjump that chump that's guarding him.

@DanR said in Tonight's game:

KJ can outjump that chump that's guarding him.

Run it again.

I seem to remember once upon a time that we were ranked #1, 7-0 to start the season, with wins over Duke and MSU, but perhaps I'm imagining things...

Two hand shove in kjs back on that screen.

@wissox Me too. Starting September 6th

Kevin Young looks a lot different than I remember as a Jayhawk.

@DCHawker I watched them beat preseason top 10 unc too. This team is listless now. It’s sad

A guy five inches smaller then Dickinson beats his ass for rebound repeatedely

Griff is trying. Appreciate that.

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@wissox said in Tonight's game:

I'm proud to be a Jayhawk!

💯 just not proud of our basketball team

@DanR He is advertising for his next team.

Maybe they blew their load too fast. Like KU vs Texas in the t rob game.

Woo hoo. Got er to single digits. Temporarily.

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@patoh3 said in Tonight's game:

@DanR He is advertising for his next team.

I'm OK with that

@nuleafjhawk Sorry nuleaf, but the snide sarcastic comments from a lot of commenters are getting tiresome. This is obviously a startling thing to see our team going through, but what good is it to act like we're the worst team in history? Maybe we don't know how to act when our team is not good. It sucks, but for the first time since maybe the early 1980's we've got a team that isn't goode enough to compete.

Maybe Hunter can pick up an NIL deal with Charmin Ultra soft

Great D then a BS bailout call by the ref

Storr aint ever heard of a bounce pass?

@wissox said in Tonight's game:

@nuleafjhawk Sorry nuleaf, but the snide sarcastic comments from a lot of commenters are getting tiresome. This is obviously a startling thing to see our team going through, but what good is it to act like we're the worst team in history? Maybe we don't know how to act when our team is not good. It sucks, but for the first time since maybe the early 1980's we've got a team that isn't goode enough to compete.

I mean… nothing good to say about the start to this one.

@wissox said in Tonight's game:

Storr aint ever heard of a bounce pass?

Has he heard of a pass, period???

@wissox different strokes for different folks.

Some of us handle these things with anger. Some sarcasm. Some apathy. Some encouragement. I'm in the sarcasm group (mostly)

If we have to rely on Juan shooting three's- - - ummm

@nuleafjhawk Truer words have never been written!

@wissox honestly, I'd much rather be 23-2 and ranked Top 5. All the comments would look different.

@wissox @nuleafjhawk this is the worst Kansas team in 42 years. No one is happy at this point, I’m at the point and laugh stage of it myself. Let’s not turn on each other.

BYU has already gone 10 deep. Clever move to actually play the bench guys...

We've suffered some. That Dedric Lawson year was pretty bad too. Not this bad though.

@DCHawker I honestly think this team could run like you wouldn’t believe if hunt was on the bench we cycled guys in and out

@kjayhawks True. And we all do process things differently.

Hunter doing a great job jogging three point line to three point line.

The season already ended. This game is irrelevant

Hunter finally makes a shot and they count it off.

Lord have mercy. I've got to find something else to watch. Y'all have a good night.

We aren’t even putting our hands up on defense, Jesus that’s the first thing I tell my 4th graders on defense. A bunch of grade schoolers are more sound than Kansas a blue blood D1 basketball program. New lows every game

Nice offensive rebound, Hunt.

I can't believe we're just jacking threes now. Gross.

Well we have people ssaying here that we are talking badly about these guys -- -well truth hurts some times all you got to listen also to /KU's announcers talking also about how KU is making it to easy like being said we aren't even getting hands up but careful what you say

@DanR we have no offense to run it seems.

Why can't this team start games well? It seems we're down 8-0 every time now. Totally affects the morale of the team and it just spirals.

Have they even tried to drive to the rim so far?

Maybe we can get a moral victory and win the second half.

@patoh3 said in Tonight's game:

Have they even tried to drive to the rim so far?

They’ve tried and fumbled it or gotten stripped every time. Rylan got bailed out on one with a foul.

If we take a three at least someone is already back on d! lol.

I see them running ahead with Hunt’s outlet pass and then they always pull up. Frank or Devonte or Devon would run for a basket or FT’s.

What does coach even say at halftime?

@wissox S. O. F. T.

@wissox said in Tonight's game:

What does coach even say at halftime?

Probably nothing, like I assume he has all year.

WTF

lol. Maybe diggy will save us.

I'm going to say it. Bill doesn't look good.

@nuleafjhawk Whether people want to admit or not continue lying to yourself-- -you watch it's about to start getting ugly at the phog with play like this.- -- - - - -This team is looking at a first game loss in the NCAA-----dropping out of the top 25 in how long ?-- Truth is this team not close to a a top 25 team

The things that are being said with what's going on with this team are looking more true by the second- - They have checked out

@DanR would you if you were coaching this team?

@DanR It's beginning tto look more like after the way the season is turning out Bill will be gone after this season

Why?

Down Twenty lol

Their starters are 15-24 from the field...

We should be down 30.

@wissox "Where can I buy a fishing license? "

Finally get a FTA attempts with 30 seconds left...

I’m gonna say the half time speech might be something like, maybe don’t leave the guys in the corner.

Honestly this looks a lot like the gonzaga game last year.

@benshawks08 Ten Threes for BYU and so many Wide , Wide open

@DanR said in Tonight's game:

We should be down 30.

Just wait 5 minutes into the 2d half...

I'm just blown away by the total ineptness on D. Like 10 wide open threes from the corner. How are you going to fix that with a halftime speech. Should have been coached from day 1.

@DCHawker That long ?

“This is the most un-Kansas team I have seen under Bill Self.” Seth Greenberg

I mean seriously , where is this team's pride ?-- Do they not realize how bad they look ?

@DanR some of it is Bills philosophy on Fools gold, the guards are way way over helping to paint after the ball is reversed. It’s not 1980 anymore guys can hit 3s at 45% clip all game long or better.

Who do we play next ?

@patoh3 said in Tonight's game:

“This is the most un-Kansas team I have seen under Bill Self.” Seth Greenberg

This is the most un-Kansas team I've seen since James Naismith. -- Dan R.

@DanR ya I’m mean if the 2013 team was losing to the Topeka YMCA this team is losing to a wheel chair ball club

They don’t deserve to wear the jersey…

It’s an embarrassment to our history and the guys who have worn it and competed with pride. This group is a bunch of quitters and should be remembered as such.

And Self isn’t off the hook either. This is what happens when you play favorites..

@DanR nailed it. They don't care. Some of them, enough that it kills the chemistry.

@DanR said in Tonight's game:

I'm just blown away by the total ineptness on D. Like 10 wide open threes from the corner. How are you going to fix that with a halftime speech. Should have been coached from day 1.

It's not being fixed with a speech. This team is beyond speeches. It's at the point where certain players have to decide if they give a shit or not. Nobody on the roster has enough fire to hold others accountable for phoning it it.

@Texas-Hawk-10 it’s to that point and has been for atleast a month. My question is why are playing the guys that obviously don’t give two fucks like Hunter and Storr. I’ve always said I’d be happy to lose by 50 with walk ons if we actually play hard. The guys that don’t care shouldn’t see the floor don’t care if they are the best player on the team or not.

AJ Storr is too damn lazy to even put a hand up to contest someone shooting a 3 in his face.

Do yall think we could lose out and miss the tournament?

@nuleafjhawk I'm not sure I understand that comment?

How often are they paid? Do they get monthly payments during bb season?

@Crimsonorblue22 why should they care? They don't have to make the roster. They're getting a paycheck. No need for floor burns

@wissox sorry. That was in response to your question of what will Bill say at halftime

Bill should be told that fool’s gold is paying top dollar on NIL for piss poor effort.

Unfortunately it is how people act in the worst/most stressful times that define their character. ie there are a lot of nice folks in the state pen that just get a little stabby from time to time. I try to remember that when I start to get exceeding cheesed about KU sports. I’d hate to be defined as a poor sport because I can’t act as gracious in defeat as victory. (I’m not though I try)

Doesn’t mean I like the play through. That I find off putting. That someone who was recruited to come represent the university I slaved to pinch pennies to attend putting forth this effort is bothersome to say the least.

The talking heads keep saying we are inconsistent. I have to disagree. This seems pretty consistent.

I think I’m going to turn to alcohol. 😂

Tell ya what , there is a individual here that thinks all I like to do id talk smack , shade all negative crap about this KU team. Tell ya what I would love to be able to have positive things to say about the team, so Please-- can somebody , anybody give me something positive about this group so I can say OH YA would love to have positive things to say.- - So somebody ? - - Anybody got anything positive about this team right now that I can relay along

20 minutes for some PRIDE fellas.

@SlimShaddy54 We kept BYU under 50 points in the half.

Boom good start. Ball off stone hands BYU guy

@patoh3 OH Cool well thats good--- great job guys

If I’m Bill Self at halftime, I walk in laughing ass off. Telling them something to the tune of I’ve got 16 conference titles and 2 national titles, I’m probably gonna be remembered pretty positively if I retire tomorrow. Y’all are gonna hold the title of Bill Selfs worst team and arguably the worst team Kansas has put out in over 40 years.

Pretty sure Hunt has never taken a charge in his life.

one good possession and two bad possessions is not the path to recovery.

Hunter's scared of contact. Easy charge to take and he ole'd out of the way.

@patoh3 The issue isn’t NIL - plenty of teams paying players who are playing.

It isn’t “playing hard” it’s actually we don’t have legit talent

We are the team paying big contracts out to bad players who we valued incorrectly (Hunter, d2, kj, storr ect)

Bill’s eye for talent sucks and he loves him some good players that would have excelled when Self was in college

@bskeet we ain’t coming back in this one not a remote chance dont set yourself up for failure my friend

Lol Self wanted to call a time out and the guys ignored him Hanni said

@SlimShaddy54 said in Tonight's game:

Tell ya what , there is a individual here that thinks all I like to do id talk smack , shade all negative crap about this KU team. Tell ya what I would love to be able to have positive things to say about the team, so Please-- can somebody , anybody give me something positive about this group so I can say OH YA would love to have positive things to say.- - So somebody ? - - Anybody got anything positive about this team right now that I can relay along

You know the outcome before the tip - use that insider knowledge at the sports book!!!

The money's making these guys soft. Maybe that's it.

I can't believe the plan was to shoot threes back into this.

@kjayhawks I'd be ok only losing this one by 20. In other words, playing even the rest of the way. That's an embarrassing bar to set. And yet, it ain't happening either.

It’s not the money. They’re just not that good. Imagine if we built a team around Naadir Tharpe and Darnell Jackson…that’s essentially what Coach has done the last two years.

@dylans But I can't say that's positive about the team

I don’t want to hear how great of a winner Juan and kj are on senior night as we have back to back years finishing middle of the pack in the big 12

I’m going to bed, I’ve had enough pain and suffering for one evening. Good night all

@TYOHawk said in Tonight's game:

It’s not the money. They’re just not that good. Imagine if we built a team around Naadir Tharpe and Darnell Jackson…that’s essentially what Coach has done the last two years.

Finally someone has eyes - well said

@kjayhawks said in Tonight's game:

I’m going to bed, I’ve had enough pain and suffering for one evening. Good night all

@kjayhawks said in Tonight's game:

I’m going to bed, I’ve had enough pain and suffering for one evening. Good night all

Don’t tell me you expected something different tonight lol

@TYOHawk said in Tonight's game:

It’s not the money. They’re just not that good. Imagine if we built a team around Naadir Tharpe and Darnell Jackson…that’s essentially what Coach has done the last two years.

Don't insult Darnell Jackson like that. He was actually drafted and spent 3 years in the NBA. I'd take him in a heart beat right now.

Time to play flory passmore rest of the game. Growth for the freshman. Hunter, kj, storr, mayo harris have been embarrassing don’t play them rest of the game.

I actually think there is adequate talent on the floor. This team was very competitive early in the season.

What has happened, starting around the Mizzou game has been a decline, then a plateau, then a decline, then a plateau. Meanwhile everyone else is getting better.

@kuballin10 umm many more then Self using his eye for talent- -let's make sure we get ALL the people involved in eyes for talent- -I know how much you love Bill but lets spread the joy

@dylans I quit drinking a long time ago, but watching these guys feels just like a hangover. A bad hangover.

Don't get on the floor or anything, Storr

So the offensive sets need blown up for future games. If your going to play Hunter no more having him setting screens and shooting midrange crap. Post him or play flory and go 4 guards in the future.

@kjayhawks Good night buddy

down 25. Cut it to 20 and maybe make a run....

Saving all the offensive sets and defensive wrinkles for the tournament. That’s what it is. I’m sure of it.

@DanR LOl are you Serious - -Storr try to make a play-- Hell some say he needs to be on the floor MORE lol-- you think he might try to make a play then roflmao?

@jayhawks2010 His screens are useless because he just stands there after setting them. Every time. Kills the offense.

@benshawks08 Lmao-- I think your onto something

@SlimShaddy54 said in Tonight's game:

@dylans But I can't say that's positive about the team

Just your bank account. Bank it. They will not cover very many of the remaining games. Maybe Colorado and OSU. Maybe.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Tonight's game:

@TYOHawk said in Tonight's game:

It’s not the money. They’re just not that good. Imagine if we built a team around Naadir Tharpe and Darnell Jackson…that’s essentially what Coach has done the last two years.

Don't insult Darnell Jackson like that. He was actually drafted and spent 3 years in the NBA. I'd take him in a heart beat right now.

Fair point lol. Maybe Jamari Traylor and it’s nothing personal against him

@SlimShaddy54 Buck stops with him - it’s on him more than his assistants

They spot talent and he has to “okay it”

@dylans Ya just bet against the guys-- -make some money I reckon-- that would be positive for me anyways

@benshawks08 I have that dream as well. Hoping that they have decided to sleepwalk in conference to play like their life depended on it in the tournament, but alas it is only a dream.

@SlimShaddy54 said in Tonight's game:

@dylans Ya just bet against the guys-- -make some money I reckon-- that would be positive for me anyways

It’s all I got man. They aren’t a team. Just a collection of basketball players. And a collection of guys will get whooped by a cohesive team that is much less talented most of the time. 🤷‍♂️

@kuballin10 Roflmao -- so your trying to pass that crap saying the assts are saying that's talent ?-- Come on even that's a first for you

@TYOHawk said in Tonight's game:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Tonight's game:

@TYOHawk said in Tonight's game:

It’s not the money. They’re just not that good. Imagine if we built a team around Naadir Tharpe and Darnell Jackson…that’s essentially what Coach has done the last two years.

Don't insult Darnell Jackson like that. He was actually drafted and spent 3 years in the NBA. I'd take him in a heart beat right now.

Fair point lol. Maybe Jamari Traylor and it’s nothing personal against him

I'd take Traylor too at this point to because effort was never an issue with him and he was willing to do the dirty work Dickinson refuses to do.

Not sure if Shak moore was defending Mag or cheering for him 5 feet away

Why is Flory not in?

I feel like we are the Washington Generals.

Take their Scholi's lol

Can we just not have to watch Storr and Hunter any more? That's really all I want at this point.

I think Bill should just get on the plane and leave them all there. lol bums

Bill made this. He can suffer with them.

@dylans Lmao

Maybe coach should rethink that pregame speech "Let's go out there and have some fun."

@SlimShaddy54 remember your post the other day about stepping back? Just don't stress yourself out, friend

Plus, that BYU guy traveled. Still should have had his shot smashed down into his face.

@approxinfinity yep. He is not off the hook. This is his fault. There is PLENTY of blame to go around for this mess.

@approxinfinity said in Tonight's game:

Bill made this. He can suffer with them.

He is. Don’t kid yourself.

Entitlement is the enemy of effort.

I think this is the appropriate time for an overrated chant. Can I start it?

Hunter got a double double!! He’s the best.

@nuleafjhawk ya I'm getting to that point for sure thanks-- but every time I try they pull another laugher

Good ol hUnt. Never got beyond the three point line. Good grief.

@benshawks08 Lmao

Good shot hunt.

It’s not like other teams aren’t paying their players too. $$ doesn’t help, but it isn’t all the problems either. I’m beginning to think Bill needs to kick someone off the team - be it a coach or player to wake them up. This is play is unacceptable and not near their ceiling.

Im running out of things to complain about. Its just stunned silence

Honestly down thirty maybe ONLY Hunter and AJ should play. Like no breaks.

It’s a business now. Fire someone.

Someone here mentioned here hell put Rakease in Flory in maybe some walk ons can't be any worse- -mercy the headlines on this will be murder Actually KU doesn't belong in the Tourney

So like.. flory is still coming back right? Because i would be benching the fuck out of Hunter.

@approxinfinity He's probably gone to the NBA

@approxinfinity Don't tell me HD is still eligible!

@DanR is that a vibe or sourced?

@DanR Are you sure? He started playing when he's like 16.

@approxinfinity He's international, so no NIL. Might as well move on and make some $$

@approxinfinity I wouldn't count on it----welcome to the portal. - -And with this score the way it is, and the way some of these guys efforts can you explain to me why Rakease hasn't touched the Floor- - he will be gone too

@SlimShaddy54 they're going to get beat. It's a fact. Turn the channel. Watch a good comedy. Or game show. Or a TV evangelist. Something not KU. Lol

@DanR I wonder if he knew about it when signing the contract.

@jay4ever what contract?

AJ Storr, 1 rebound, 4 turnovers tonight.

As a Sox fan I'm used to saying Sell the Team Jerry. Can anyone sell this team? Would that help?

@DanR contract playing for the lifetime coach.

@SlimShaddy54 Sounds good to me. Play the young guys for next year. The old mercenaries can sit. They aren’t winning anything this season. Need to plan for the future. Sorry seniors. You had the chance to lead and completely blew it. Set the framework for next season. Give Flory full run. See what you can get out of Passmore. Can Tiller play? See if you can re-engage Rylan. … Time for a shakeup with an eye on the future. - maybe. Will it happen? I’m afraid it’ll be more of the same.

this is our big break

@nuleafjhawk actually might go to bed-- but afraid I'll have nightmares

nope

Revenge by Rylo

Is there some advantage that I don't see that would cause us to intentionally throw the season?

Maybe everyone's stock drops so much they can't leave. So we only lose the ones that age out or that we want to let go???

Alright. I thought Bill would make it another year but now not so sure.

Kease sighting.

@dylans Hey Rakease is in

I cannot hold my peace, Rakease!

That's confidence 3 by Z

That's like 10second in the paint.. geez

10:39 to play- - BYU has 69 points and KU 41- - so we suck on both ends

Officials in the B12 are no help.

Good screen by Flo

Wow look at how their big boxes out and rebounds

At least Passmore TRIED to drive. Thank you, son.

I think i am just going to praise opposing teams players the rest of the way

@bskeet sorry you can't blame refs for 33 pts ass whupping

basically we allow 70 points in the first 3 quarters of the game

@approxinfinity Roflmao

Get KJ out there for Hunter and run that line up the rest of the game.

@SlimShaddy54 Oh. totally agree.. This is an ass whooping largely of our own making.

I can still hope that the officials can call things evenly.

Is that Bill hailing a cab? Oh coaching nm

They got KU's head spinning so bad

That was some great D. NOT

Can you imagine doing a job you dont enjoy in front of hundreds of thousands of people for months?

Can we hit 50?

I hope we lose by 40 at this point, so some sincere questions can be asked

Wonder if the conflict that's going on in the locker room between the Coach and players they decided to just show Bill up in this game on purpose

@DanR I think the first part of your wish is well on its way.

oh, man.. that's a wrap up for me.

KU's worst loss of all time was a 40 point loss to Nebraska, in 1900.

@SlimShaddy54. I don't think any decision was made recently.

This game isn't that different from the Utah game or take your pick of a dozen prior games.

I heard there is Shad, Perch, even Gar and Bowfin in the James. Havent ever caught anything in a river but looking forward to it this Spring. Oh, wrong thread. Defensive reflex.

Serious question , wonder how many wins we get to end the Season-- - Houston -- loss -- Texas Tech -- loss - -Idunno

That call is a great example. They could have called that 12 times in this game.

@SlimShaddy54 said in Tonight's game:

Serious question , wonder how many wins we get to end the Season-- - Houston -- loss -- Texas Tech -- loss - -Idunno

2, Saturday to OSU and 1 in the Big 12 Tournament.

We are horrible.

I'm just curious. The players effort is bad, but... does anyone scout? does anyone work up a f'in game plan? Do they even bother to practice?

Honestly, we look like we have not practiced since December and we're just going out there winging it like some third tier mid major that has a basketball team and 20 fans.

Welp wonder if Bill will even come talk to Gurly post game

Put the dam walk ons in

I think BYU could sit their players and we would still lose.

Not that it matters, but that's not F1.

That wasn't a flagrant

Passmore steal- -Passmore score

How can you give up so many dam open three's

Were not even a top forty team

That didn't look like a charge

Wellp. You know youve hit rock bottom when we are losing by 34 and @kuballin10 is no where to be found. We are all on the same page more or less at this point.

I'd like to see an analysis of our margin of victories and margin of losses over the bill self era.. My sense is that margin of victories were greatest in the 2008-2018 and have been declining steadily since.. And the margin of defeats have been increasing since 2020.

@approxinfinity Oh he is here like always loving taking his shot s at Self-- ys he is slithering here somewhere lol

Beleive me he will be loaded tomorrow- -nothing new willl come from him but still he will repeat the same blah - - blah- - blah- - blah

Time to watch Landman. Looking forward to a new leaf whenever that is.

By the way, flagrant fouls are supposed to be reviewed. They did not review the flagrant 1 on KJ

@bskeet First time maybe was the 2018 ff against Villanova. I mean that was a historically great Nova team, but it looked like a lot of these losses, them just making 3 after 3, bill calling TO, then more of the same.

Take heart guys. Savor the rarity of this ass whooping

you can't tell me these guys haven't checked it in

Also, this team seems to get into double-team trouble that lead to a turnovers more than most junior high teams.

Correct me if I'm right but this is now a two game losing streak to BYU which has made us look without ept, inept, each time.

We made over 50 points! Yay!

@wissox said in Tonight's game:

@bskeet First time maybe was the 2018 ff against Villanova. I mean that was a historically great Nova team, but it looked like a lot of these losses, them just making 3 after 3, bill calling TO, then more of the same.

That loss wasn't like these. That Villanova team was an all time great team and got red hot and shot above their normal %. KU wasn't great that night, but they were nowhere like this.

Four fouls tells me a lot too.

Afe the way this Seasons played out are we sure Peterson still comes

Tied for 3rd worst loss in program history.

Making some history. Way to go

Those boys straight up quit! I’m sure glad they are getting paid now.

And I'm free

Free fallin'

Yeah, I'm free

Free fallin'

@bskeet gonna glide down, down to manhattan, gonna lose to K State cuz we’re highhhh

@approxinfinity right on

:anguished_face:

Soft culture
Soft parenting
Entitled players
Outdated Staff -OLD
No skill development by positions who coaches the big men ? Townsend?
Bad player evaluations in portal
Bad chemistry
No pride
Predictable offense
= 2024-25 mess

Lol. I mean, its close to the real words and Tom Petty was a world class stoner.

@cajhwk welcome to the board!

Rock chalk! Hope we make the tourney as an 8/9 or play in. That'd be fun, like SEMO or Murray State.

@approxinfinity

Thanks!

How many games do we need to win to still be in the tourney?

Am I missing something , because Hanni said still a lot of talent on this team?---- -Where ?-- doesn't take talent to keep getting your ass made look like a bunch JV boys

I wish the post game show was still on in Lawrence on local TV. I'd love to hear an explanation.

Hanni is a HOMER , what do you think he’s gonna say they feed his family with that kush job he has

I think there's talent. But the pieces have not meshed. I feel like Self is still waiting on DeJuan to transform into the locker room leader a la Sr Mario or Sr Sherron Collins or Sr Frank Mason or Sr Davonte Graham....

But he's not that kind of personality. He's not taking over the locker room. While they wait for someone to call the team meeting and make that impassioned speech and pull the pieces together, the team is heading off the cliff.

For whatever reason.. the alpha is absent on this team. And at this point in the season, if you haven't found your source of energy in the locker room, your team is not going to have one.

80 straight weeks only behind Houston in rankings-- -GONE. - --- -- only the 2nd time in 312 weeks fallen out of the rankings------GONE

@bskeet

Sir they’re past that they’ve hit the ground and they’re crawling from the wreckage

@nuleafjhawk said in Tonight's game:

@dylans I quit drinking a long time ago, but watching these guys feels just like a hangover. A bad hangover.

I just started this season.

@bskeet Some talent yes, say top 25 and sweet 16 max - yeah

But in reality it’s horribly skilled players and no one respects d2 on the squad especially the new guys. They hear all this talk of how great he is then watch him get his lunch eaten nightly…..throw that in with worthless Hunter and kj who can clap his hands real hard for dunks but when it comes to late game free throws blockouts he forgets to actually go rebound the ball

@cajhwk Talent next year will be better but everything else you listed won’t

Time for Self to retire he’s not winning anything and he’s taken us to new lows instead of new heights

@DanR said in Tonight's game:

@approxinfinity He's international, so no NIL. Might as well move on and make some $$

He played 3 years of high school in Indiana, so he's probably a permanent resident by now. Reportedly, his NIL deal is worth $530K this year.

Watch this and tell me it looks like our offense…Self is cooked and he’s underachieved (crazy to say with two titles)

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Ive seen my share of authoritarian mindfuckery by coaches imposing their egos on kids from a position of power in travel sports. Now that poor coaches are armed with analytics, they will use the eye test when it suits them and analytics when it suits them, to back into a preordained conclusion while attempting to invalidate opposition and overwhelm it into submission.

Good coaches, on the other hand, strip away the how and get to the why that motivates everyone and validate it, and build from there. They do not lose the team. The team grants them authority because they earn it.

Im not seeing much of this happening the last 3 years at Kansas.

One minute and thirty seconds.

That’s all the time it took for us to be out of the game tonight.

Hard to believe we can this bad.

Self mailed in the game starting 3 bigs. That was a new low for him

@BeddieKU23 said in Tonight's game:

Self mailed in the game starting 3 bigs. That was a new low for him

It's looking like 2 straight seasons of Self mailing it in after it looks like the team doesn't have it. Pretty embarrassing given his wage.

Man. I don't know whether to admire those of you who watched the whole horror show last night or mock you. Are you great, die hard fans who never give up hope? Or just twisted sickos who like watching train wrecks?

I quit watching the 2022 NC game when we were behind 15 at halftime. I shouldn't have, but I did. That was a different team. Capable of making a comeback. This team is not. We get down 15 now, it's turn out the lights, the party's over.

@rcjhdraft said in Tonight's game:

@BeddieKU23 said in Tonight's game:

Self mailed in the game starting 3 bigs. That was a new low for him

It's looking like 2 straight seasons of Self mailing it in after it looks like the team doesn't have it. Pretty embarrassing given his wage.

What about the players "wage"? GTFO! Self at least has earned his over YEARS of work and success. He's proven he cares. These kids have proven NOTHING.

@BigBad said in Tonight's game:

@rcjhdraft said in Tonight's game:

@BeddieKU23 said in Tonight's game:

Self mailed in the game starting 3 bigs. That was a new low for him

It's looking like 2 straight seasons of Self mailing it in after it looks like the team doesn't have it. Pretty embarrassing given his wage.

What about the players "wage"? GTFO! Self at least has earned his over YEARS of work and success. He's proven he cares. These kids have proven NOTHING.

Not sure why we can't maintain some sort of standard for him. Love him for his legendary tenure, but these last few seasons have been a disaster and he's the main architect for this roster with a top 5 NIL budget in the sport. He said he was thinking about the roster for this season for the majority of last season and ended up putting out the same main parts and added complimentary transfers versus making an actual change and doubling down on archaic basketball principles.

@rcjhdraft

This is a coach who built the program around developing 3 and 4-year guys and mixing in stars. He's done this for TWENTY years. The 3 and 4 year guys were pushed hard and the strong survived and then thrived. So now we are expecting him to change and get guys turned around in 6 months? Not going to happen. You can call that "archaic" if you want that's fine. Or you can get into playing shooters over bigs. None of that matters. What matters is the game is now about mercenaries and you need AAU style coaches. 1-2-3 Family chants are an absolute joke. 100% of these kids would bail on their "family" for a bigger payday.

dah. ignore me. testing something. need to take the board down this offseason for real and upgrade it. want to bring drag and drop pictures back.

Et tu brute? I’m sure those that act like these posters would make great friends that would be by your side in the thick and thin. 😂

Coach K pre-season #1 across 8 years - one national championship. UNC has 10 or more losses 10 of the last 13 years. UConn has double digit losses 10 of the last 16 years with two years below .500. Kentucky has double digit losses 6 of the last 13 years. Kansas has double digit losses in 3 of the last 25 years.

But I guess those with pitchforks are going by the eye test on a two year sample size?

@dylans
Not to mention Indiana

@dylans I mean, saying KU has 3 double digit loss seasons in the last 25 years is clearly warping the situation right? "This used car has run great 22 of the last 25 years!"

@approxinfinity KUs three double digit loss seasons (so far in the last twenty five years!!!) are last year, 7 years ago, and 12 years ago. So no it’s not cherry picking to include all of Bill’s career and a bit of Roy’s to get to a quarter century of sustained success. If I go back further it gets a bit darker only highlighting how good off all the newcomers to KU basketball, that have only known Bill Self as the coach, have had it.

Bill Self 3/22 years with double digit losses. (One more on the way)

Roy Williams 5/15 years with double digit losses.

Larry Brown 3/5 years with double digit losses.

Ted Owens 8/19 years with double digit losses. Three years below .500

@BigBad Self having zero accountability for this roster is laughable. We have 3 or 4 years guy….. they SUCK! We gave away 2 good recruits to get Hunt that would be 3 year players right now and are better than Hunt/KJ most nights. Hunt was lazy as hell last year but still brought back. AJ Storr is on is 3rd school in as many years and a known to half ass it. Self wanted him and he’s here.

@kjayhawks said in Tonight's game:

@BigBad Self having zero accountability for this roster is laughable. We have 3 or 4 years guy….. they SUCK! We gave away 2 good recruits to get Hunt that would be 3 year players right now and are better than Hunt/KJ most nights. Hunt was lazy as hell last year but still brought back. AJ Storr is on is 3rd school in as many years and a known to half ass it. Self wanted him and he’s here.

"ZERO accountability"

What do you want? Him to be fired today? Send back his salary? What exactly? You don't think the guy is embarrassed? He's insanely competitive but all of his characteristics that make him a great coach don't fit the transfer portal and soft kids era.

I'm not naive and understand the end is near. However, I believe he deserves more respect then what some people are showing.

I think the issue is more with conflicting opinions in our echo chamber. We want other people to hold Bill more accountable. Imo.

@dylans ah my bad man! I just assumed it was the last 3 seasons. Let me go back and look.

I think my point is the last 3 points have been a rapid and sustained drop

@BeddieKU23 said in Tonight's game:

Self mailed in the game starting 3 bigs. That was a new low for him

Was a blatant middle finger to the fan base. Starting 3 centers and a non scoring threat PG.

I'm still lost on 3 things still, they did BYU film prep, scouting and game preparation and came to the conclusion that starting 3 Bigs against a team that shoots a high % of 3's and spaces the floor schematically was the best matchup to win this game. That seriously cannot be the outcome, but it literally happened.

I don't believe the coaches put the players in the best position to win the game last night. The players quit as well for the most part. That level of play is not acceptable at any College Program, but we witnessed what felt like Rock Bottom.

We've seen poor play that leads to blowout losses. This was far beyond any of those kinds of games. You could see the turmoil in body language and reactions to plays. It was like the entire team was given a half speed pill before. There is actually a serious problem going on within this team.

@BeddieKU23 said in Tonight's game:

I'm still lost on 3 things still, they did BYU film prep, scouting and game preparation and came to the conclusion that starting 3 bigs against a team that shoots a high % of 3's and spaces the floor schematically was the best matchup to win this game. That seriously cannot be the outcome but it literally happened.

I don't believe the coaches put the players in the best position to win the game last night. The players quit as well for the most part. That level of play is not acceptable at any College Program but we witnessed what felt like Rock Bottom.

Yes anyone with basketball knowledge can see we aren’t running correct line ups to succeed, our game plans are bad. Yes the players do some of the blame but the head guy that wanted them here and preps them deserves more

Kenpom dropped KU 7 spots and offense went down 14 more spots to the #59 ranked offense. Still #6 defense (only 1 place down after giving up 91).

The Analytics are probably off on both ends tbh

It would be nice if Self would pick his 7 guys and just run with them the rest of the year. The rest can sow dissent from the bench, instead of sabotaging the team unwittingly thru sloppy play. I just don’t think there are 7 “KU” guys on the roster.

@dylans

I agree, I would simply start with benching Hunter and seeing where the next 4-5 games go.

We could play even with their 3rd-string lineup.

It looks now like every game dips lower. If this keeps up we lay eggs the remaining games and Self declines an invitation to the NIT. At this point, I’d hope he declines an invite to March Madness. We might have the worst loss in tournament history.

It should appear clear to everyone this is more than a few bad players. Heck, Juan and KJ played big roles on our championship team.

@dylans said in Tonight's game:

@approxinfinity KUs three double digit loss seasons (so far in the last twenty five years!!!) are last year, 7 years ago, and 12 years ago. So no it’s not cherry picking to include all of Bill’s career and a bit of Roy’s to get to a quarter century of sustained success. If I go back further it get a bit darker only highlighting how good off all these newcomers to KU basketball that have only known Bill Self as the coach have had it.

Bill Self 3/22 years with double digit losses. (One more on the way)

Roy Williams 5/15 years with double digit losses.

Larry Brown 3/5 years with double digit losses.

Ted Owens 8/19 years with double digit losses. Three years below .500

I think this is really helpful for perspective.

The pit that I'm feeling is that it feels like the blow-out wins have become fewer, the 1-2 possession victories have increased in frequency, and the number of AND margin of defeats have grown. So it's the sense of a trend that's getting me.

@BeddieKU23 said in Tonight's game:

@dylans

I agree, I would simply start with benching Hunter and seeing where the next 4-5 games go.

If I’m Bill Self, this is without knowing what the legal terms are of the NIL. I’m kicking Hunt and Storr off the team as soon as we get back. Clear out your lockers and get the hell outta here. We have 7 guys that care and can play Start Juan, Shak, Zeke, KJ and Flory. Learn some defense and muddy up the games over the next few weeks and tell Rylen he is on Americas shortest leash. Use Diggy and Rylen off the bench and Justin Cross to use if need be for blows for KJ and Flory while Zack is out. You can also run 4 guards most of the time.

@kjayhawks i think we are at a point where everyone is shook and has their hands dirty. How do you decide to punt AJ but not Rylen? It doesnt seem to be by attitude but by performance. I dont think we can do that.

Bill needs to play the right guys, and figure out how to look up into a 7’2 paul bunyanesque ax murderers eyes and convince him that becoming college basketballs most expensive practice player can be a positive experience for everyone.

I like Bill’s suggestion during his press conference ,let’s just go home and get away from each other and go get on your mother’s milk for a while and then come back in a Kumbaya circle

You can’t enjoy the highs, if you aren’t hurt by the lows too. Welcome to the bipolar life of a normal basketball fan. The drug of Bill Self’s dominance has worn off this year. How will we handle the withdrawal?!? Sports sobriety, Ugg. Curl up in the fetal position and cry? Full body spasms as it works its way thru our system? Uncontrollable sweating and Tourette’s like swearing when watching a ball game.

Well, I’ll be damned if the hopium doesn’t have me hooked for at least another year…

@dylans

Ooga-Chaka Ooga-Ooga

Ooga-Chaka Ooga-Ooga

I can't stop this feeling

Deep inside of me

Bill, you just don't realize

What you do to me

When you hold players

In your arms so tight

I just want to know

That everything's alright

I'm hooked on a feeling

I'm high on believing

That you will set us free.

Lol

@dylans hopium! Lol, good stuff

@approxinfinity I think Griffen is much more engaged most of the time

Ok look it's easy to blame Coach Self , nothing to it & yes he IS -- - ( part )OF the problem I think Most- -not all , but MOST people acknowledge that, BUT to imply from some here to say that Coach is the ( Majority ) part of this problem is just Wrong, nothing but Wrong , no other way simpler bottom that's jest not true/WRONG

Coach Self can work these guys to death/ practicing on these glaring screw ups all day all night. During the game he can draw up the plays he want's run-- he can diagram defensive schemes he wants run- offensive schemes he wants run -but at the end of the day it's THE PLAYERS Themselves that have to EXECUTE these things, they have to accept responsibility, Coach can draw them up in the Locker room or timeout but thes kids that are now getting paid and paid well bottom line they have to work it out and Execute What Coach drew up/talked about

Sitting Screens-- - Getting pick & roll done right - -Dribbling the dam ball without dribbling it of your own foot or leg time after time after time. You have to a least try and defend instead of worry when we do get the ball wondering how fast I can jack up my shot. -Carrying through on what he want sis up to the Players to do NOT THE COACH, he can't do it for you

We have people here bitching about well he isn't giving this guy any minutes and or that guy any minutes--- How when Coach gives them those minutes they get in-- sure enough they either throw some ridiculous pass-- or shot -- or play the classic Ole defense. Then people bitch he plays favorites and yanks them right out, saying he just keeps playing these ame three

Not sure how close your watching the game but I sure see Dickinson- - KJ- & Juan all getting pulled a lot faster now then they was-- they screw up - -they come out, that's Coach's frustration- -The biggest one's just playing so bad Dickinson & Storr- -You got Dickinson last night perfect examp;e He FINALY makes a three so all of a sudden he comes down and jacks up like three/four more like all of a sudden he is Steph Curry. In this game this was way to fast paced for him, this is a game where Flory should of been playing more and Dickinson backing hem-- lot more athletic faster, --Storr ? - -Storr ?- -nothing left to say about him

Yes for sure these guys getting paid now , and some paid really well - -no different then you and me in our regular 40 hour week job ew had to be accountable for things - we screwed something up - --w had to take responsibility for it & take the heat. - These kids are no different, no way do they get a pass.- - They are going to learn - - It's a cold hard world out there and if they don't get their crap together it is going to chew them up and spit them out period The cuddling time is over, they need to stand up and act like they got a pair

Gonna be real interesting how much of the backing they have at the Phog Saturday- won't take much to start hear some booing trickle out if they play like dog crap- - AGAIN -- so yes the players play a huge part and have to take responsibility not all Coach

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@SlimShaddy54 this sounds like a self fulfilling prophecy, of course they play poorly if they lack confidence, motivation and cohesion

There is no lineup that fixes this. The spirit of this team is broken. I don’t think it’s fair to blast a few players placing blame.

What can we expect moving forward? With my limited experience of seeing teams broken at this level I’d say expect the unexpected. But in this case, I’m not expecting these guys to have the ability to string together 40 consecutive minutes of execution. I expect everything to be very stiff and laborious.

I previously said there should be a performance clause in their NIL contracts. I guess indirectly this exists already because most, or all, their NIL values have dropped and they continue making new deals.

@drgnslayr said in Tonight's game:

We could play even with their 3rd-string lineup.

It looks now like every game dips lower. If this keeps up we lay eggs the remaining games and Self declines an invitation to the NIT. At this point, I’d hope he declines an invite to March Madness. We might have the worst loss in tournament history.

It should appear clear to everyone this is more than a few bad players. Heck, Juan and KJ played big roles on our championship team.

The worst loss in NCAAT history clearly belongs to Marquette on the biggest stage when we were beating them by 40 points, doubling their point total throughout almost all of the 2nd half. They had a dude named Duane Wade so they weren't chumps!

@drgnslayr said in Tonight's game:

There is no lineup that fixes this. The spirit of this team is broken. I don’t think it’s fair to blast a few players placing blame.

What can we expect moving forward? With my limited experience of seeing teams broken at this level I’d say expect the unexpected. But in this case, I’m not expecting these guys to have the ability to string together 40 consecutive minutes of execution. I expect everything to be very stiff and laborious.

I previously said there should be a performance clause in their NIL contracts. I guess indirectly this exists already because most, or all, their NIL values have dropped and they continue making new deals.

I think it WAS fair to point out some of the earlier issues and focus on what one or two players/coaches/etc. could do to address some weaknesses and amplify some strengths but for it to get to where we are now it is such a total failure that no one can really escape blame. Everyone is responsible for this. There is still strangely a lot of basketball left. Seems to me there are three real possibilities.

1. Everyone stays checked out and hating each other and we lose out. I don't see how a team that plays like they played last night would win another game. (I hope to god this isn't the path they choose)
2. There is some form of reconciliation that brings the guys together to spark more energy in some upcoming games. In this scenario we can still win some home games, maybe pick off Colorado on the road. Limp into the tournament and maybe win a game two at most. (this seems most likely at this point)
3. This team players and coaches included, does some SERIOUS soul searching and has it out until they get to some consensus. With rekindled effort, adjusted scheme, and a real passion for the product they put on the court, there is still a chance for a run. There are always the legends of those players only meetings that changed the season, but this team needs more than that. Real change has to happen at ALL levels for anything close to a "successful season" being the end result. To me an elite 8 run would be successful. Win 3 tournament games. anything else is really special. (this seems like the least likely scenario at this point)

@dylans said in Tonight's game:

You can’t enjoy the highs, if you aren’t hurt by the lows too. Welcome to the bipolar life of a normal basketball fan. The drug of Bill Self’s dominance has worn off this year. How will we handle the withdrawal?!? Sports sobriety, Ugg. Curl up in the fetal position and cry? Full body spasms as it works its way thru our system? Uncontrollable sweating and Tourette’s like swearing when watching a ball game.

Well, I’ll be damned if the hopium doesn’t have me hooked for at least another year…

Well said!

Blame game!

Juan - this guy receives all kinds of accolades from other coaches, including Bill. He has his strengths and weaknesses. We’ve all wished for a different Juan… scoring more. Someone correct me, but I think his scoring is slightly up and we do see him shooting more. Are we sure we want him shooting more now? Is he to blame on our meltdown? I’d say NO!

KJ - I’ve been on his case all year to rebound better. After his shoulder injury and Self coming down on him, he has shown more energy and had a few great games. Is he at fault for the meltdown? NO!

Hunter - he has hit a bad spot… missing close to the basket. And his defense is atrocious. It’s always been bad. His problem has always been (and remains) how he is used. That guy should live in the paint on both sides of the ball. He’s the same player he was last year and last fall. We’ve had all this time to mold defense around him, as well as build offense around him staying in the low post. It’s not going to happen at this point. Is Hunter the cause of our meltdown? NO!

Zeke - NO!

Flory - NO!

AJ - never really got on track and still has missed assignments, but at times he also offers small sparks, like a few key rebounds. His impact is small. Is he the cause of the meltdown? NO! He’s just not offering a real net gain.

Raylen - he’s pretty much like AJ but more a deep threat. NO!

David - NO!

Could ALL these guys perform at a higher energy? Of course. Do we know the inner workings of this team responsible for the low energy? I’d say NO! Do these guys have no ability to play together? NO! We’ve seen periods when they came together on defense so we know it’s possible for them to execute as a team. Does this team simply not like each other? There could be small issues here, but that is typical on most teams. Have we seen big problems here? NO!

My biggest complaint on Self has always been his inability to cheerlead his teams. It’s not his style. I will say I doubt there are many coaches in this country that care more for their players! Bill’s methods for teaching and controlling his teams does not seem based on him being a big, positive motivator. He’ll never be a Bruce Pearl! Might this be the biggest issue that has allowed this team to sink? I’d say… definitely YES!

I’ll put it like this. If Bruce Pearl took the helm right now to complete the season I believe we’d see an instant spark and improvement in play! Bill’s kryptonite is on full display right now! This team “got away from him” and he doesn’t have the skill set to pump them back to fight!

There is a very good chance this gets a lot uglier moving forward. I hope people don’t go venting out on any of these players. There is no way you can say a player or two caused this collapse!

I appreciate this @drgnslayr -- I never thought that Hunter was a team cancer, just that his recruitment was a mistake and his usage has been atrocious. This all comes back to Bill. But I appreciate your willingness to move past the "structure of the roster" blame, and focus on the bleeding edge of where Bill actually could right the ship if he met up with the ghost of Hunter S Thompson and tripped balls in Tijuana for a week, then came home.

@approxinfinity they have checked it in, Coach's not trustin players- - players not trusting Coach's confrontations among players in the locker room.- -Hell Self walked out of the locker room after the BYU game.

Also for the first time EVE since Coach Self has been here someone ask Self in post game -how do they re-group and get things turned around ?- - Bill's response after a second - - --- -I DON'T KNOW , we will fly back get in around 5 in the morning and then rest and we got to get away from one another the players getting away from other players, players getting away from Coach's & Coach's getting away from players. There is so much conflict in that locker room right now. - Zeke yelling at the Coach''s Juan shutting the team down.

I watched a KU pod cast off you tube-- - -it's called- - -Could be wrong, pretty good pod cast but they brought up a question- -good question and the others response to it is what I have been thinking and it was same with them. The question was how much longer does Coach Self stick around? They said ONE - - ONE more year , which I fully believe too, but Nick came back and ask and was a petty good point he says - -OK if you seriously think Self is here for only ONE more year then it's had to cross your mind that THIS could be his last year.

Makes sense with the way this Season has played out -- last Season has played out and with this fricken NIL & Portal Bill might just join along with all these other big name Coachs and say screw this I'm not doing it-- just call it quits not worth it --look at Roy Williams -- - Coach K from Duke - - Jay Wright- - - Tony Bennett- - Jim Boeheim, they all said screw it- - they are tired of what College Basketball has become.

The guys on the pod cast too is that these College Coach's don't want to be held hostage by these big NIL players --which is exactly is happening, These kids don't give a dam about the Schools history, the Name of the School, they just want to go to the highest bidder.- -A Kid that has that big bank money now he doesn't care if they win or not- - he is getting his money- -he tells the Coach now trying to hold tehm hostage and say if you don't play me 30 minutes- -I'll just leave- -I'll just move on to my next School and these Coach's are tired of this crap

@SlimShaddy54 If nothing else, this weeks happenings should have Goff clearing the war room table and starting the search, be it now or next year. Gotta hit a homerun.