Wife graduated from IU! House divided. ROCK CHALK JAYHAWK GO KU!!!!!!'
First game in 21 years crazy!!!
Jacque Vaughn 3 to beat IU is loudest I've ever heard AFH in person
Speaking of overtime Tum just hit a miracle 3 to tie the game.
YES@! ALLEN!
First time in history I'm happy with UofA / Stumpy win!!!!!
Stumpy comes through!!!!
HIDE YO KIDZ!!
Ready for this to tippppp.
I was born in Indiana. Lived there for 3 months... Lived in Maryland in 1987. As a 13 y/o I watched Danny Manning and the Miracles defeat Darth Vader, and became a fan for life at that point. I am from Colorado and graduated from Colorado State University. Somehow and some way I live in LFK. I should be torn. < Not really.
I'm in favor of a KU win.
You're a true hero
Stumpy finally has a guard.
Here we go. Inside out.
I also think that Tyshawn Taylor should run against any district that Chelsea Clinton is given in NY.
HCBS's hair is lookin good this year!!!
's is probably not correct, JB. ;p
HERE WE GO BOYS.
I would throw a chair.
Let's Geaux Jayhawks
Very pretty
D3!!
JJ Shall be know as Dynomite. Offenders will be prosecuted.
CB!
Wow
Hello there Bragg.
Carlton needed that.
Needed that one too.
Ticky tack fouls
Have had a couple of quick triggers.
I really think KU can start the season 2-0.
But had players that could not go pro..
You can't compare UCLA and KU Other than its actually more remarkable in today's era.
Well boys be ready for small ball. Self doing it in a real game.
So many fouls.
And so real Ball starts!!!
IU is triple teaming Landen on the glass!
Texas up 3 to incarnate word with 52 seconds left
Good job on the boards thus far, need to run some offense tho
Has anyone gotten rough yet?
So far I like how this game is going. Indiana getting some looks, but KU looking good offensively as well.
@dynomitehawk welcome to LFK, dynamite. On my second tour in Lawrence 6 years each time
Ratso in black✔️
Really ESPN? Reduce the screen so we can see Izzo?
Too bad Doke didn't throw that down.
With Carlton playing well we feel extremely deep.
With all these stove pipe hair cuts everyone might only be 5-9
Better step up the perimeter D we knew they shoot 3s come on,
Puffiest team in history, JB. Greatest Fro on Earth.
Everything but the finish for Josh. Indiana only shooting threes tonight? Jeez.
Doka no foul loca
Live by the three
We should be close to bonus.
PHOF
KU already in the bonus.
Son of a gun, we are.
My annual rant. They need to put # of team fouls on the screen. It's important info.
Luke's hair is 7-2!!!!!
crean wearing a long sleeve sweater in Hawaii?
Stone hands there Landen.
bad hands but good hustle to get teh tie up.
Great energy from Carlton and Lucas so far
@dynomitehawk Even LL with the classic nappy look...be proud say it loud... Godfather of soul...
Lucas has buttered popcorn finger syndrome.
Looks like Luke's got some support inside that left pontoon
That jump ball is the exact play DG fouled out on in the Villanova game. Still hacked off about it.
Crean is starting to look like Roy.. baptist minister shiny metal framed glasses and orange tan
Everyone on our team is named Honor. BIG FAMILY the Honor's are!
Frank's hair is 6-5
Butter or humidity, Lucas?
Lucas or Bragg should've had that. Need to tighten up perimeter D and we will be in good shape.
Lucas needs to work on catching the ball two dunks he should've had
Like a steady rain. It won't be long before IU is KU soaked.
@jaybate-1.0 6 inches of hair might get Frank into the league. Plays 6-3 anyway
Hey yo Landen
!link text ↗
Not stopping Josh in transition.
Mason leading team in rebounding
I'm in favor of sitting LL and playing JJ!!!
Bad defensive footwork by Josh before that drive on him
Landen just worked over Bryant inside...
Dunk the dang thing
Jacksons jumper looks exactly like his layup
JJ scored, now he's talking. I hear he's really good at talking.
Josh is good but his concentration on fundies wavers
@approxinfinity Maybe but looks like he's a tad more conservative with his hair color... or maybe my TV's are adjusted to the non Elvis tint. But that's a nice historical reference about EP's contribution to the PH Memorial...
That was an awesome block by JJ. He probably was talking about that too.
Ugh rebounding
Josh is a little faint around the big guys down low
@jaybate-1.0 First REAL game as a frosh vs a powerhouse on primetime Nat TV first weekend of season??? I'll live with it...
Spoke too soon on the glass
Nice pass from Josh too bad Svi missed.
We can't grab the ball in any traffic
JJ two pretty quick hooks tonight.
Oh shit Graham
I think Carlton should grow a beard and maybe get some tats. That and about +20 lbs is what he's going to look like in the league
Don't like DG grabbing his string
comical rebounding
IU is bailing us out with stupid uncontrolled tips. Are they afraid of our bigs' D?Credit th D, Self thrive on that type of refusal...
We're getting killed on the glass...we never rebounded, got the ball cause they knocked it out
Doke looks like a Big Boy locomotive from WWII.
Takes awhile to get the mass moving but once it starts there is no stopping it!!!!
Crean got to much sun
crean looks itchy
@jaybate-1.0 And, it looks like HCBS had a few extra beers the offseason....
Hack him jj
Jackson needs to come out
Our slender jumpin' Jays are starting to feel the effects of Big 10 banging now
@approxinfinity Yeah but Self thrives on resistance stands like that so I credit the D...
Silly errors keep costing us points. Had a chance to put them away but too many tipped passes, missed rebounds, etc.
I guess KU forgot how to drive the ball. I hate to say it but give me some bad ball.
@kjayhawks Svi I think is playing better D
@approxinfinity Did not mean to edit your post- my mistake.... sorry
Josh is useless so far
Now that sailor was wearing some proper AOR-2 camouflage
@globaljaybird no worries man.
There we go Frank. Drive it all day
Free throws greatly improved from the exhibitions.
We need some uniforms out of that stuff when we go into Manhattan!
When was the chain invented? Kind of fascinated by that big ship tether and never thought about it before
LL!
Luke, ya gotta shoot to get the foul
balanced scoring
Prior shot fake is imperative that close by LL......re: Coach Knight
I have better post moves than LL
Vick could get a steady job as a pipecleaner with those legs
Can't over help and give up threes
@kjayhawks I'm tougher
Way to get on the floor and keep the play alive Landen
I think JOSH came to KU, because Vick's legs would make Josh's legs look bigger!
Bryant is dominating our "bigs"
Got to start making threes and guard the perimeter
@kjayhawks Really ?? Somehow I must have to :smiley: question that claim ...
Too easy, not making them pay what so ever for 8 turnovers
That looked like a jump ball
These guys need a talk from Kevin Young. It's going to be a long season if they don't start climbing up the backs of guys for boards.
Really need to put bodies on their guys. Not rocket science
How did all the recruiting services whiff on Anunoby?
JamTray sub for LL?
I think Graham just got screwed on that call. Never saw the replay up close, but his body language said a lot.
@approxinfinity Because it was
Are backdoor cuts and lobs not on the menu tonight?
@globaljaybird My thought too but wasn't gonna say anything.
Could use a little less cutaways of Tom cream sweating in long sleeve shirt in 808 state
pfffffft refs, count that shit
Frank is just a man among boys out there
Mason game mvp
Great sequence there
Bragg finally got a rebound.
We need to end the half strong!
Svi has gotta grow a pipe!
Svi
UKRAINMAKER
Can't afford to wait until the tournament for LL to the tournament LL. Come on kid. You are the big man
@jaybate-1.0 As we speak!
Nice run!!!!
Glad we're hitting our free throws
Jay is all over our junk tonight. Digging it. This is what EC media bias feels like . Could get used to this!
Svi is kicking some ass
Great boards
The first basketball run of the year!
Some nice want to out there!
11-0 run in one minute. Smart decisions, Brag, UA and Svi rebounding and mason driving. I like it
@approxinfinity same here!
@Crimsonorblue22 makes the biggest difference
Bragg with first board, LL only with 2
Doke almost dunked that bad pass too, lol without jumping
OK maybe not such a good Idea to run with KU ???
@kjayhawks Mason our best rebounder 2 yrs running... minimum...
Great to see a sample of what we are capable of.
Music no longer enough for Blake. Gwen takes commercials to provide for
Bragg having the type of game I was hoping for. Had a nice hook shot also
@cragarhawk said:
@kjayhawks Mason our best rebounder 2 yrs running... minimum...
I heard Frank was bit by a poisonous snake and the snake died.
Bryant is a tough sob.
Doke got a B1G face smash
Dammit we gotta rebound...
Brag still funking
Next practice Mason puts on a rebounding clinic for the bigs. Must happen
BULLSHIT CALL
svi
Deeeeep!
attaboy Ukrainmaker
They can't review that?
Sveeeeet
Me neither- we're old but not blind...
Sucked!
After a call like that. Promise ya @kjayhawks is bout to chestbump and official
Bragg had his man in the air and didn't take him
Bill due in feb?
These refs guys...
That's twice we were denied the and one!
Also. BAH GAWD KING, THAT's LIGHTFOOT'S MUSIC
Indiana is gonna have some kids foul out methinks.
Let's see what Mitch can do!
Boy HCBS gonna chew some butt for not getting back.
Refs only reason we aint up 10
@Crimsonorblue22 Ya know me to not whine abt the refs, but they're costing us a few points right now, however I still think we win by min 10 pts... but re: one's good as :100:
@kjayhawks not the only... poor transition d. And dammit were not blocking out... miss FTS. Not moving the ball well enough often enough..
Not good D from Mitch, but it was in transition
This game kind of feels like we're losing.
Well, our bigs suck so far.
Lightfoot with the worst defense I've seen in over 40 years (I'm only 28 )
Rebounding not terrible, but too many brain farts defensively. Should be up 10. Bryant and Anunoby are good practice for our big guys against Duke
@cragarhawk said:
@kjayhawks not the only... poor transition d. And dammit were not blocking out... miss FTS. Not moving the ball well enough often enough..
16-20 at the line. Hard to expect better especially when Udoka took two of them.
I thought u could look at a play w/2 mins to go? Huh?
Losing on the glass 21-18 and let up 10 offensive boards, if we clean that up we will win going away.
Rebounding looks even statistically but that's because we are making more shots than them.
@kjayhawks anyone w/3 fouls, either team?
@kjayhawks Agreed - outshot them 52 to 39% - just way too many second chance points.
@cragarhawk Def not only but a shit stretch of 3 or 4 missed calls for IU benefit
@Crimsonorblue22 said:
@kjayhawks anyone w/3 fouls, either team?
Don't think so. Indiana has 5 kids with 2.
@kjayhawks what are you drunk?!?!? 😁
@HawkChamp said:
@chriz I wouldn't say suck, they just need to body up Bryant on the glass
Kid has a motor that does not slow down.
I say hit the afterburners and let this KU team fly. It's seems that's what they do best.
Udoka moves about as fast as my grandmother whos dead FU
@kjayhawks Kenneth.... not cool
Dang Seth just called us k state! Ah
Bryant looks green out there and we aren't making them pay for poor decisions. Landen looks weak. I'd like to see more Udoka. And maybe wings double down and rip from Bryant. Challenge him. If we can keep slashing on O we should be able to foul them out. Also would like to see us open up the playbook a bit. Our offensive narrative seems very limited. I think adding some lobs might help 2nd half if theyre expecting to take some charges on our drives.
Whoa my man. Udoka may look like a man but he's still a boy. I mean he can't even declare next year because he's to young.
@Crimsonorblue22 Grounds for dismissal
@approxinfinity I just started to type about half that. Agree!
@Crimsonorblue22 said:
Dang Seth just called us k state! Ah
Fire him I say.
@HawkChamp said:
@BShark he is a tough matchup for anybody. They won't have to face anyone like him all year.
Kentucky will be a challenge inside.
@kjayhawks Since you uniquely qualified yourself & your level of expertise for us, we won't use a grain of salt for your further commentary, we'll use a block & then try not to respond......
So what adjustments will Crean make?
Different shirt?
@cragarhawk 16-20 for 80% on FT
@globaljaybird For?
@cragarhawk said:
@DanR they can't run with us. Cream will try to slow it
I don't think that is in Crean's DNA.
@kjayhawks plus 1 million
@Crimsonorblue22 All of our starters except LL (0) have 2 fouls.
@globaljaybird at this point in life, I've quit making hair jokes
Who is this Mason Jr. I keep hearing about?
I wonder if Crean remembers losing by 41 points in the 2nd half of a final four game against KU?
@KansasComet Would that be franks Dad? lol
@KansasComet One hell of a player.
JJ looked a step slow on D. Needs to get tougher. This is good for him though
There's a lot of IU fans who would love to show Crean the door, even after their Big1G championship last year.
We are getting killed on the offensive glass.
@HawkChamp true story. And KUdoka looked jittery. To be expected. They will get it
Let me just say this now and get it out of my system...I love LL and wish we had someone Self trusted enough to play in front of him all year. But he'll probably play big minutes all year and I hope he contributes to a national championship. If he plays big minutes and we flame out early I'm gonna blame him & Self.
@kjayhawks I'll like your response if you tell me what that means!
@kjayhawks take your pick of any of your prev 3-4 comments- unless you just failed to qualify with @wissox83 "FU" certification...
@kjayhawks I think you are on to something.
Phone died and had to get to the box to get back into it.
Embiid scored 25 tonights wrapping up Rookie of the Year honors.
wow Josh yikes
@globaljaybird Lmao ok forgot on one wow
Bryant is a load, but Landen's foot is apparently operable.
More first half stats (box score)
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You da man!!! thanks for the box score.
Landen is running on that foot.
Landen is hedging on the foot.
Jackson with the 3 point jack!
@jaybate-1.0 & JJ is still a frosh - yeaaaah!!
Lando d'ing up Bryant lately. Also that was a SOFT call just now.
BS call
moisture is coming from crean
Great shot in rhythm by JJ
Another offensive rebound. That's the only stat they're beating us in!
We must be wearing our cleats because we're not slipping much tonight.
Crean should just get down and roll around and mop it up with that shirt of his.
No trip call there, huh?
Defensive rebounding is killing us
I swear if ESPN reduces the screen once more.....
Is it just me or does Self look like he put on some weight
Self is 6 months pregnant and hasn't even broken a sweat in his short sleeved white shirt
What the hell wuz dat?
Bill could learn from IU's motion to get 3 pt shooters open without the inside out action. Add it to the toolbox.
Bryant was an idiot not to come to KU.
Refs are just bad
Frank has decided its time to foul up the Hoosier on him
Graham true from 3!
Did Self not participate in boot camp?
Bragg is running around like some entity in a new body on the original Star Trek.
Why are we defending the lane like it's fort knox
oh, and Landen, really, learn to handle the ball.
He just is not comfortable yet at this weight.
Uh, didn't touch ll again
Did I mention the ref's were bad...
That Graham Mason show folks, enjoy it while we've got it.
That's our ball Mr. blind official
yeah the phantom calls start coming in.
Forget running a 4 out and 1 in - we should just go with 5 perimeter guys - getting nothing out of our post guys....
LL why does a senior bring it down middle school stuff
too slow with the ball
Lucas is clearly at a low ebb on his biorhythm tonight, but he's got to be strong enough after all these years to clamp and dunk!!!!
Way too much overhelping. A three is worth more than a two.
I say let Mason get to the lane, they haven't stopped that action all night
@BeddieKU23 agreed - he is faster than all of them
Refs owe us at least 3 calls. But LL needs to get some pine time
Drive and kick to Grahman and SVI
I'm not thrilled with Lucas and Bragg so far
Same old story... Bad calls a two way street: the ref that makes the call and the kid that puts himself in a situation to have a bad call called on him.
@DanR First thing I noticed at the WU Games exhibitions last year at Sprint was HCBS was puffed up like a toad----in June already!! Too damn much fried food & golf ?? Now I can't say diddley squat cause I've put on 20 f-in lbs in the last 6 mo my damn self livin on a frickin golf course,,,
Livin' la vida Doka!
svi didnt even try to stop that guy going to the hoop
@approxinfinity Excellent!
Doke!
@approxinfinity How long have you been waiting on that one :) ?
This footage is very interesting, because Japanese PM Abe is making some overtures to players in East Asia that appear somewhat like hedging on our alliance.
There is Udoka sorry about missing the FU or JK earlier
@jaybate-1.0 said:
This footage is very interesting, because Japanese PM Abe is making some overtures to players in East Asia that appear somewhat like hedging on our alliance.
Exactly
@approxinfinity Dunno what happened - didn't like smiley face
Frank kinda looks tired
a missed call on masons drive leads to that junk!!!!!!!!!!!
I thought we just had a 9 point lead a minute ago???
We need Doke to put a little wood on Bryant.
They are Big Tenning us now.
1st time this year I'm really ticked.
Dang
wow these refs just plain suck
keep drawing fouls boys
vick with a huge shot
Vick with the Hawaii Rainbow Classic!
Did I mention that the ref's have really sucked
IU is showing that he was a RATSO IZZO assistant right now. They are fouling rock hard to get back into it.
Vaporub put one in
Unbelievable bad call against Graham
its like contact is just not allowed
That ref is owes 5 calls
Good foul doke
Graham does not look in the moment, as he tended to last season.
He needs to get untracked.
another ill advised jackson shot, just took himself out the game
Come on refs! This is a physical game, let them play!
Too many whistles this half messing up the game flow
Ah, Devonte has a bad leg.
Refs should have fouled out by now...
FT's coming too joke
If you're going to foul them, leave no doubt.
Good for Jackson. That guy needed that.
Why are we shooting only 3s?
It looks like Self has given the guys the word to mix it up a little now.
@approxinfinity Missed corner threes hurting us on both ends.
Yuck bonus with 13 left, this is why need quarters
Why was LL under the basket, maybe blocking out, but completely took himself out of the play as well.
no post game this early in the yr
Landen is getting beat up and down the floor to both ends. He's got to be in a bad way.
@BeddieKU23 said:
no post game this early in the yr
Probably going to be a problem all year against good front lines.
@approxinfinity cause we don't trust our bigs?
Though we did have some good action going inside off and on
@BeddieKU23 Wellp. I can't wait to see Udoka develop post game over the next 2 years... TWO YEARS! GEEKED
Self complained about our first half transition D, but it hasn't gotten any better this half...
Maybe we should play a 5 guard line up with the way our bigs are playing
he's got a long ways to go
@approxinfinity 4 out & 1 in ... Don't fret Okie ball will return. If not tonight, it will rear its' ugly head soon. Bill tolerates losses poorly... JMO
Guys are just in bad positions for rebounding and not getting their body on somebody and pushing them out to the parking lot. Standing around won't get you rebounds
Was Self helping Bragg put on weight all summer?
Not looking like a typical KU team right now. No toughness at all. IU is owning us.
@jaybate-1.0 DG always cramps up
that was better
holy cow a lob!
Nice play Self
Bragg scored his 8th point about an hour ago, and nothing since.
RELIEF
when we built leads it was built off tempo
Bill is going to have his work cut out for him this year forming this into some sort of coherent way to play and put the pieces together to get there.
That's a high percentage shot
tempo is the key to winning this game, our half court offense late in the clock is going to be a work in progress, quick shots are working best
Black isn't even an MSU color.
I think our guys should start wearing AOR-2 camo with some ghilliy suits when watching the MSU game
Let's try five guards and run like hell for a few minutes
You know, we have to be pretty good to be ahead of this team and we are only running on about 5 cylinders of our V-8
Did you predict that Presidential outcome on Tuesday?
I'd like to see a few more plays run through Vick, he can get his own
@jaybate-1.0 not a good place to be. Lucky it's very early...
@BeddieKU23 I feel like all our guards can get to the paint anytime
@jaybate-1.0 Don't wanna be playing your best in November just improving
yeah we need to get to the bonus, mason/graham got most of their points at the line
Vick dunk?
Well, then we have got that covered for sure. :-)
That's how you sell the and 1!
TEMPO TEMPO TEMPO
Guys you are never going to believe it.
AND ONE !!
Finally! We got the And One!
HOw'd we score after the Timeout?
Nice interview, bad timing
Clean rip. BS.
@Crimsonorblue22 Displeased I am
YUPP
Looks like if they're gonna call that on Mason, we need to give LL a break, he was fouled on that attempt to go up for a dunk.
I guess players are not allowed to touch the ball while a player of the other team is in possession of it.
That ref owes us six calls
you have got to be kidding me
I'd get a T if I was Self this is Ludacris
Anyone that loses a shoe should go the bench. Tie your damn shoes.
Looking at the stands, any former Navy guys on here? If so, how did you keep your whites white? If I had to wear them they'd look like crap as soon as I put them on.
Indiana = allergic to shooting 2's
Vick can fly somehow in those bird legs. Oh, of course
Guarded lob to Lucas?
that is svi's fault
This run started on a crap call against Mason
Lost shoe sounds like it's injury related. Same for that was in a boot?
Timeout situation not looking good.
Goodness one timeout left and foul trouble better pick it up
We're on a crashcourse with an L if we don't start getting some quality possessions.
Bragg ought to be fresh
Foul trouble is going to be a big story for us tonight I'm afraid.
good job mason
Why no dunk
Glad to see Bryant is okay
BRAGGG
Good job Carlton! two big buckets!
Great play by Landen, then threw it away.
No toughness at all
Love me some Frank drawing that foul.
wow lucas just mugged a guy
as soon as bragg does something great he does something bad, smh
Bragg literally banged that one in
Gonna be ugly ball the rest of the way...
We're still not in the bonus, they're 1 foul from the double bonus I think.
Carlton, this is your conscience,
DUNK!!!!
Need some stops. D HAS to step up or this is a loss.
Box score update:
Well this is sucking
Boards
IU 35
KU 26
3 pt shooting and they have 15 ORB's...
that rim out shot by Graham really hurt momentum
Bragg just needs to dial it back a half notch until he can handle his speed
@BeddieKU23 said:
as soon as bragg does something great he does something bad, smh
Yeah he needs time and experience.
Bragg may need a hypnotist to plant the suggestion: I am a big strong man now and I can pretty much go to iron whenever I want. And gosh darn, people like me.
Grahman, Mason and Jackson combine for 9/28 from the floor
their fg% was 39% first half, ours was 52%.
holy shit svi destroy that rim
svi moves his feet, still a foul i just dont get it
Svi!!!!!!
omg you got to be kidding me
Svi is trying to shame these Americans into dunking.
Refs suck
hmmmm what is the call here
Svi, you've got to grow a pipe in order to shame them with that sort of dunk.
That ref owes us seven calls
officiating just hitting a new low every game
its not a foul on anyone, redicilous
So you can review a call but not a shot clock violation?
Rebounding ... or the lack there of, will be this teams undoing..
Ed Hightowers nephew?
Coach Self, please don't let Tom "I'm a grown nerd" Crean dog the refs too much. Oh, good, he got into it.
double foul is stupid af
Wow did IU pay these guys??
No foul a better resolution
yup just bring in freshman who chuck 3's.
Lucas under the basket...
Did I not see LL get shoved when he went up?
Mason got fouled before the goaltend
A double foul?
What did our guy get too much blood on his attacker?
Lucas can't jump at all. Get him out
refs are paying us back guys
Bad ball.
Need shots to go down
LL worst 5 year player in Self era
But Frank's a little rusty. He's forgotten how to really drive into the guys at the iron.
4 fouls
but who doesnt have 4 fouls
Also we've got a bench full of talent, and seem to want to push and shoot early in the possession. Wouldn't you want fresh legs for that game plan?
We have only one FT attempt this half...
Landen, welcome to playing operable.
Its a high honor that hurts like hell.
SVI
lucas has just been badddd
Lucas not moving his feet.
either did DG
Think how long this season must seem to Landen right now knowing he's going to be playing operable for 35-40 games.
@BeddieKU23 So true!
We're still not in the bonus.
I am loving me some Svi right now!!!!
That looked like offensive player created contact by extending his arm...
This is feeling like an L now
lucas at 80% is not useful
LL is killing us badly
@jaybate-1.0 You're right. we should have a little sympathy. He's hustling.
The good news is. For the long haul. It's not a bad thing to realize the BS behind the rankings and be humbled into working really hard to earn it the rest of the season
wow josh what a terribe night
We've got to find the range, or the ukuleles are going to be strumming taps for us.
bragg gone
Its lucky Josh got fouled because he was driving away from the basket
Doke time
Just joined the thread....is it me or are refs terrible.
Svi is badass... but a jump shootin team ain't missing right now.... won't last at crunch time. KU will prevail...
Really? Can't front your man now?
Our bigs are a huge work in progress...
We just lost
How can they call 25 freaking fouls on a college basketball team? And if we have to foul to catch up, we'll top 30.
Carlton, this is your conscience: you are strong enough to front the post.
@kjayhawks Let Josh and Dokes have a crack at it.
@JayHawkFanToo You sure you haven't been reading the posts? You nailed it.
Graham and Josh both with rough nights shooting.
Don't forget that he's going against a future literary pick
So many missed opportunities. I think they're done. Too many jump shots that aren't going in and they refuse to block out on shots.
Seriously, this Bryant is an excellent experience for our bigs and new small guys. He is a good basketball player. And long and strong. Our guys needed to see what the real thing looks like sooner rather than later.
Wow, down 3 with 3:45 to go and folks giving up.
Rebound update IU 41 KU 30, there is the game boys that's a joke
I still like our chances, mason and graham
@HawkChamp said:
So many missed opportunities. I think they're done. Too many jump shots that aren't going in and they refuse to block out on shots.
yep unfortunately
This is where our guards are supposed to weigh in.
Just not passing the eye test tonight
Jesus. This may be be double digits...
@approxinfinity said:
@BShark Graham's leading the team in pts though
He has done well at the line. Rough night from the field.
@jaybate-1.0 Good job Landen! Clutch FTs
LL hits FT's
Think we just got one of our bad calls back
We've been out fought and out hustled, but this is still winnable...
Jerry slaying me here.
@jerrymeyer247 9s10 seconds ago
Gonna be tough for college basketball games to last as long as college football games, but the basketball side is giving it a go on day one.
Frank getting some BAD BALL RECALL
This is what's great about FTS. The score narrows, but the clock doesn't
Defense wins this right here
did I mention I LOOOOOVE Frank?
Mason!
PF's
KU 25
IU 23 now
Bulldog
Its clear that a lot of our guys are just not used to defensing big strong D1 athleticism f
second game in a row Frank has gotten full extension with his left and taken it to the cup on a big. LOVE THAT
I LOVE svi's play on the break every time 'this game
Frank is just BAD BALL personified.
Frank is just beastly
That ref still owes us seven calls
He had to actually come back to get the foul
cant leave blackmon ever
C'mon guys, just for old time's sake, everyone start driving!!!!
go dig a grave refs
Damn... game
well guys we tried
@kjayhawks didn't say it was...just a stat check
Frank knows the strikezone, and that aint the strike zone, ump.
Not over
I am sorry.
Did he foul him?
How in all things mighty is that a foul???
Done. Bad foul. Rebounds really hurt. Really hurt ourselves and kept shooting our ourselves in the foot
he came in from out of bounds!
May wanna go ahead and skip the pleasantries and sightseeing in NY. Work to do. Much work to do
Just went back and watched, total phantom call against Mason wraps this one up.
We didn't guard the line and our rebounding stunk,
But goodness, these referees.
Do it frank
Shit that looked like Tyus Edny... - IU who ?
OMG this is the worst reffed game ive ever seen
Embarrassing that our big guys refuse to put their rears on their man and push them back to the concession stand. The coaching staff has to help them with this fundamental strategy that cost us an important win.
Time for Svi to squeeze a trey
Still not over - but giving up almost 90 points. Indiana is a good team, but really thought we were going to be much better defensively...
Frank the Endless Tank!
Nope, time for BadBall
Need a stop
bye bye bryant
He needs to more than foul out.
He needs to be electrocuted, or something.
There we go
Self woke the refs up
omg thats so good Frank!
And 1
No way!!!!
you guys
FRANK
MASON
See no shit I speak !!
Frank!!!! Sweeeeeeet
FRANK THE GOD
FRANK THE KING
FRANK THE TEAM
Clearly a make up call, I'm tired of Bilas
Now, guard the 3 point line please!
Frank!!!!!!!
Frank is willing the team to win....
Frank willing us one.
Pretty good start to the college BBall season with these 2 games in the Aloha State...
Hope that doesn't cost us. Force a quick contested shot
I have faith in these refs to come to IU's aid in these last 30 some seconds.
@jaybate-1.0 9 sec differential... Last poss is ours... Yeaaahhh!!
I'm not a fan of the offensive player extending the arm to create contact and getting the call...that is what Frank did there, but that's the way it's called and we had the same thing go against us. ..
@globaljaybird no more offensive rebs for IU!
If I'm Indiana I ride or die with Blackmon
Hard to be mad at frank but you have to make that as a senior
Tom, you are very unmanly not to let your guys try to finish it.
You are over coaching.
You are making me listen to Bilas.
garbage. clean block.
All ball
All effing ball...
that was not a foul btw
Looks like Graham and the nutristionist haven't gotten it figured out yet.
Well, this is a well planned play, right Jay?
@approxinfinity Gotta disagree - not smart by DG - brought his arms down - Blackmon was too deep and wasn't going to make anything.
Even if he makes both we get the ball with 13 secs. Let's go!
Good move here by DG to buy us a little time to figure out what to do.
Ride mason all the way
We need to take a 3 to win or lose this in regulation. Our entire team will foul out in OT.
Also, remember that gift bucket IU got on the shot clock no call?
Actually, we've got them right where we want them.
They'll make two.
We come down and Frank, or Svi, can a trey.
I have all my salt ready
How is that for making a guy think about a FT
@jaybate-1.0 Just what I was gonna say. Hell with the tie, shoot the trey.
Dang, it didn't help
I say go for the two and get a chance in ot
B I'm Frank Mason!
Lucas, Jackson, Mason with 4 fouls...
Frank "Icewater" Mason
OMG! He drew a foul on the second or third try.
Smart move by frank. Don't foul on this possession!!
DA BULLDOG !! I GOT ONE TOO !!
Two FTs
Yessssss
Mason for president 2020
Sure would like those two points back from the shot clock violation.
Love me some Frank!!!
I age 2 years every basketball season
our entire team may foul out guys
So...
Mason or Sheron Collins?
Frank, make the FT and trust me the girls are gonna luv ya
OT
What a gutsy comeback by our guys!!!
Hell yeah
Wow what a game.
Defense Jayhawks Defense
At least by Frank.
We are in big foul trouble. Lucas, mason, Jackson with 4...
Bring Doke for a quick bank and dunk.
Frank the Tank
@jaybate-1.0 Leads team in scoring, assists and rebounds tonight. What a performance...
Need Josh to show something now...
Rebound in traffic...nice LL
DEEEEEEFENSE
Self letting Landen know that playing operable is no big deal. OT? what me worry?
Frank carried us to OT, time for the rest of the team to step up
Who will we bring if someone on the perimeter fouls out?
Sink em LL
@jaybate-1.0 Tyler, of course...
Frank Mason Offense...three drives and a cloud of fouls.
Just drive the lane every time
Would like to see svi jack threes instead of frank at this point
Landen was pushed all the way to Molokai
@jaybate-1.0 Lightfoot or Coleby and go big?
Calling JJ
Landen, worst looking FT i have ever seen you shoot.
Twice
@jaybate-1.0 Vick?
How about a trey
This is going to be my question for awhile and would love after this is over to hear discussion on it:
Do we have the scheming to play small ball?
FTs FTs
Natural free throw ability in OT is a very good sign for our chances in March.
Oh yeah Vick is already in
@jaybate-1.0 Blackmon heard you. He's quite the player.
Blackmon career night no surprise
That wasn't bad defense but...dang
@BeddieKU23 why do guys always seem to get "career night" vs us? Ugh...
Need Jackson to be a hero like Jacque Vaughn was
I think Bilas wants Indiana to win.
That was a great shot bye blackman, we cant have a 5th senior going empty from the stripe no excuses just cant do it
Hey, I just realized I haven't seen @HighEliteMajor for a lonnnnnnng time. Do we know what happened to HEM?
@jaybate-1.0 lost in da 50's...
He would be screaming for a trey about now.
Frank is dominating
Whatever it's over
F that freshman
Let them drive...don't go for any fake drives
Frank is just kind of driving around doing what he wants.
Terrible turnover
@approxinfinity But them guys are nailin some shots. I'm impressed.
Prob enough clock for us to prevail once more...
Has Frank played the whole game?
Game, Glad Mason played well very proud of him. Its really simple to me if we don't learn to rebound really fast Duke will beat us too.
IU 15-32 48% on 3's
1/2 of their made shots are 3's
Frank looks fresh!
@jaybate-1.0 lol. 29 pts... 30 pts....
Offensive Rebounds and loose balls like that.
Nobody wants the ball jus to sad
lets go mitch. this situation was made for you!
Come on Mitch!
that was a travel by Anunoby lol
Watch him nail them
Really nice play by Josh
Lets see some of that nasty
Lol of course
Josh is getting a real baptism in KU ball
There's a Jacque moment, jj!
those 2 FTs bye LL are just huge
Make 2 good plays
That was some quick :shit: Go JJ
I know he's struggled, but he's played all the way and we're in it against a good team in OT.
OK, do we foul, or play D and try to score with 5 seconds left?
2 defensive stops win the game...
I am now delirious and must have lol in all my posts apparently.
Speak of the green sapling devil.
My day started a 6 lets steal it and hit a 3
This is where its good to know we have Bill Self in our huddle.
Ohhhhh man too bad Indiana had a time out
@JayHawkFanToo Damnamn few stops at all tonight...this has been a defensive clusterf88k.
Anyone see if Bill is on his cell phone? Larry's probably texting him a play.
Bailout timeout to make good defense irrelevant
Defense has no chance when a team can bail itself out
Super nice trap.
@BeddieKU23 Nothing wrong with that in my view
Mason out we are done.
Was that Vick staying with the dribbler before the trap
THATS TYLER SELF'S MUSIC
Good effort but again we find a way to lose big games
JNewell said we didn't have a long bench, but I never thought we'd have to use Tyler in crunch time
It was bad that he got faked out, but he made a smart foul.
Tyler?
Good job Lightfoot, it didn't make a difference, but it could have. Way to show up!
When is the last time 4 KU players fouled out.
Man that stings.
Damm!
Great game tho.
We have one player that's ready for the season.
All other pieces aren't there yet.
Crean sounds like the March Hare.
All that hype... damn. Long season. Long way to go
well if that's a march game as crean just said its a-typical of how we lose every time
If not for Frank Mason. Were not even in this game
If you think these refs were bad, wait until you get a load of the ones for the Duke game...
@jaybate-1.0 said:
Remember when this was an incredibly deep team last summer?
My how things change.
I mean to be fair, the refs aren't going to call this many fouls once we get into the meat of the season. We can't afford an injury but otherwise it's okay. Honestly, Self needs a 4th big he can trust.
Thanks officials for ruining a game between two good basketball teams. They truly took this game out of the hands of the players and coaches with their inconsistent calls. I don't even know if we would have won if the game had been called better, but it's a shame that their ineptness caused this to happen.
I'll say it again, why on earth the big guys can't figure out blocking out I'll never know. Indiana shot superbly tonight - we didn't play bad defense, as most of their threes were contested. Lucas and Carlton HAVE to figure this out. Blocking out is a skill taught in middle school yet a lot of guys don't do it. Post defense wasn't good either. Probably going to be 0-2 to start the year.
@JayHawkFanToo Has been a defensive clusterf**k... None at all with 100pts vs a Self team. I am surprised.1st game of the year-not shocked but surprised. Not likely to happen again this season. This game means MUCH more in the loss column than it does in the W column.
I really think Svi kind of did not step up and take the shots he needed to at the end. He's got to stay a threat all the time for this team. Frank was great, but Frank needed to get Svi into the game.
Does Puke keep a stat on Allen trips?
@JayHawkFanToo refs aren't the issue. Ksuck excuse for losing. It's far too tired
@JayHawkFanToo I guess some of us watched a different game than others.
very true, he showed up, everyone else played when they felt like it
Fb games lasting longer and now bb
Probably starting 0-2, but there are things to build upon from this game.
Oouch and now the long flight to the east coast.
I don't won't to be a downer, but if this our game plan to get by with only LUcas in the paint. Man this is going to be a long season.
We haven’t opened the season away from Allen Fieldhouse since 2001. That was also in Hawaii, and also a loss. To Ball frickin’ State.
That season we went undefeated in the Big 12 and went to the Final 4. So let's not get too concerned just yet.
Lucas got a lot of credit for stabilizing our team last year...and stepped up his game after that whole mess of meetings between coach and 'The Core'. But not seeing carryover and we don't have the cohesiveness that thought we might see mixing experience and new talent.
Maybe IU with their offensive approach isn't a bellweather for where we are against a more balanced approach team.
@Bwag Devonte was out of control and fell asleep on defense on a key possession that cost us three points. His focus was not what I expect from an upperclassmen. Svi played pretty well. Carlton was better offensively and showed a low post game but isnt blocking out. We need to run more pick and pops with him for shot opportunities.
@cragarhawk I think some let it get to their head. Devonte has not looked focused even during the exhibitions
Why no. Just stating the obvious.
Tom Crean beat us excuse me while throw up. The good thing is its early. I was disappointed in the lack of effort on the glass, Self always says that's how you tell if you played hard and outside of frank idk that we did. Well short turnaround boys lets hope we can beat duke but looking at our defense I'm fairly worried. 89 points let up wow
As I said before. Lucky it's early. Very humbling. Now maybe we can get past the hype and get down to business
Well, maybe we won't need to get any more recruits
@HawkChamp saw Svi step away from defensive action a couple times too.
well this team just missed shots period, so many missed bunnies, so many missed shots from guys that usually make them. some FT's as well at critical times.
Blackmon and that freshman were the key for them otherwise the rest of their team played like our other 7 rotation players
15-32 threes for IU... tough to overcome that, and we almost did. Free throws kept us in the game.
@BeddieKU23 that and Indiana made a lot of tough threes. Very tough to stop those
Doke and Josh will get better, not sure about ll
@Bwag said:
Lucas got a lot of credit for stabilizing our team last year...and stepped up his game after that whole mess of meetings between coach and 'The Core'. But not seeing carryover and we don't have the cohesiveness that thought we might see mixing experience and new talent.
Maybe IU with their offensive approach isn't a bellweather for where we are against a more balanced approach team.
IU seems insane offensively. Shooters at every position. Crean puts a premium on it when recruiting, and rightly so.
@Crimsonorblue22 I wonder if us losing these early season games have hurt recruiting, we lose about every year in the champs classic its getting a little old.
@HawkChamp agree with that on Devonte. Thought he was actually more aggressive tonight though. Still room no question
Yeah, Devonte is going to have to get back up on that edge again.
But it will be harder, because they are scheming on him, now. Last year he was the third option behind Perry and Frank. Now he is second option, maybe even first if he gets untracked. It will take a few games for him to get used to the increased attention. But he should adjust, unless he too is playing with unreported injuries, which it sure looks like. But I'm withholding judgement since folks said he was just battling cramps.
@cragarhawk said:
As I said before. Lucky it's early. Very humbling. Now maybe we can get past the hype and get down to business
Self would have rather had a win ofc but secretly he is a little happy.
@BeddieKU23 said:
well this team just missed shots period, so many missed bunnies, so many missed shots from guys that usually make them. some FT's as well at critical times.
Yep missed a lot at the rim. The curse continues.
@BeddieKU23 Ya to me it was disappointing to see their freshman make fts while our senior bricked 2 huge ones not to put it all on LL but that was really what gave them a lead in OT. Rebounding, Defense and shooting 3 areas that we do better in one we win this contest.
@kjayhawks well I don't see Alabama going or Lsu or miss state or Washington...... Etc
yes those misses were disturbing as he didnt even come close on either attempt. froze under pressure
@BeddieKU23 but hit nearly 79% FT's...not terrible.
Offensive boards and 3pt shooting for IU were our achilles heel.
So, I asked awhile back in the thread if anyone knew what became of @HighEliteMajor ?
It was OT, so maybe everyone was too busy.
Anyone have any idea what became of HEM?
@approxinfinity Yep I been saying rebounds all night, not much you can do but put a hand in a guys face I don't think we gave them a ton of open looks
@Crimsonorblue22 I agree I'm glad we play a tough schedule I believe it help break the horses just wish we won a few more lol
I can see why Coach wants to play the 4 and 1. Yet one problem they were still trying to pound the ball inside. Man I'm really confused and to tell you the truth a lot worried.
@jaybate-1.0 Just guessing he got tired of the bickering his posts seemed to inspire. I always liked his stuff, well almost always. Maybe he'll show up again. People come and go.
@BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 said:
well this team just missed shots period, so many missed bunnies, so many missed shots from guys that usually make them. some FT's as well at critical times.
Yep missed a lot at the rim. The curse continues.
Looks like we shot 50% from 2pt range to go with under 32% from 3. So does look like shooting % is down.
@BeddieKU23 I can't really fault the offense. 45% isnt great but that with the exceptional FTs was enough to get us 99 pts and put us in position to win most games. As much as the offense felt flat at times, it still produced (although the FT % is probably anomalous).
I hope next practice is all about defensive rotations, how to rebound, and how not to get fouls called on you.
I don't think we tried to pick and pop with Bragg all night. Bragg played well besides the fouls and a missed bunny. But for this team to maximize its potential it needs to plug Jackson into the game offensively and use Bragg as a outside mismatch. We didn't do much tonight other than let Mason go wild, which he was terrific.
@kjayhawks yeah, they were +11 on the glass. How many teams are going to make all those step back hand in the face threes? Most opponents would have struggled with that. If Duke doesn't make 15 threes, we have a chance.
@jaybate-1.0 And they still haven't solved his cramping issue.
Felt like they made as many 3s as we attempted. :grimacing:
I set my DVR to record an extra 30 min and still missed the overtime plus. Luckily, I have no desire to go back and watch the game.
I just had a thought. We gave up 10 and 3 points. Maybe that had a lot to do with us losing this game. I can't remember the last time we gave up 10 and 3 points.
@BeddieKU23 yeah, I'm wondering about our scheming.
Outside of playing personnel changes 4-1, not sure I'm seeing anything yet that says we will use that to maximum effect.
@approxinfinity said:
@DanR Good take. We beat them in every stat except 3 pointers (we were 7/21) and rebounds (-11).
Yepppp. Knew if we lost, threes would be the reason.
Also will say it again, post game talk pretty rational here. I don't even dare load up the Phog.
I expected the fouls to be out of control because the refs are under a microscope to enforce new rules like every year. But there is little consistency as always.
The shooting % was okay, enough to win games but shots that were critical really hurt us in the end.
@Crimsonorblue22 yeah, too many fouls.
Why does the NCAA have to keep jacking with these early season games.
Rebounding is going to be a problem for this team. Our best rebounder is our point guard.
Landen WAS a good rebounder, but now he seems to be injured and not likely to pull down big numbers against most teams, until his foot heals.
Bragg apparently lacks the rebounding gene. He's big enough and strong enough now, but he just doesn't get tot he ball.
Our perimeter guys are athletic and tall, but none of them but Frank has the rebounding gene...not even Josh. Josh gets some caroms because he is so springy, but he doesn't have a clue about how to get rebounding position against D1 players.
This will be really interesting to watch how Self deals with this issue.
I suspect we will see some very serious rebounding drills for a few weeks to see if there can be any improvement.
But what he might do if there isn't, wow, it is hat rabbit time again.
Nice of a game that had a tip time of 8pm to end around midnight. Thanks again refs. Gotta try to get some sleep!
iU made 15 3s, KU 7, that is a 24 point differential right there. They will likely not get that lucky again.
@JayHawkFanToo IU might...that's their game...
Duke can probably do the same things with K's philosophy.
6 is going to come early, good night buckets. Its been fun talking ball with you guys. I loved the uniforms tonight, paying tribute with the crazy stuff going on in our country is awesome and I like the character it shows, Thanks again to the Veterans! RCJH
It's early and Self said the 4 guard lineup wasn't very good yet but offered the most long term potential.
we'll see tonight wasn't a very good first impression of what most fans think could be the year. again I'm not overreacting but we shouldn't have lost and we did.
My thinking too. I just kept watching IU get one after another rebounded on offense. You can't win that way I don't care how much talent you have.
Bottom line IU crashed the boards and KU didn't. MY fear is this something that can me fixed?
That's a good point.
We played well enough to win.
Not our best, but well enough.
We're a good team.
We just have some injury issues and Josh has to figure out how to position on defense one and two passes away.
And Self has to go to the drawing board on rebounding. Its not that we are a bad rebounding team. Indiana is a good rebounding team, so we have nothing to be ashamed of. But if we are going to play this small, our small guys have to really by into positioning most of the time, and climbing up the backs of people, when they can't get position.
Thought we were supposed to rank near the top of Self teams defensively.... 103 later
... FUCK!
Where's that article written from 2026 looking back where Self embraced the 3 point shot and the team went on to win more championships?
That's looking pretty implausible at this point.
@Bwag now that I think about it, you're right. We would need to be able to match Dukes three point output, something we didn't do tonight.
@Jaybate I don't agree about the "rebounding gene" but I do think Carlton and Josh can be taught better rebounding skills. The coaching staff needs to work with them
IU's offense is one that lives on 3's, much like Duke. If they were missing them this wouldn't have been a close game. Crean has changed his offense and has made it exciting. Self has to adapt and I'm sure he'll do it
On a happier note, Embiid scores 16 of his 25 points in the fourth quarter to lead the sixes to their first win of the season.
Yeah, I'm not trying to rag on Josh here. I'm just trying to analyse the break downs. A lot of times he just wasn't remembering proper position one and two passes away. In Self defense, you have to be able to play on ball AND help one and two passes away. Josh is a fine on ball defender 90 percent of the time; that's not the issue. The problem is his foot positioning when the ball is away. But this was his first game, and he clearly had to experience this kind of play and talent and strength, before he could begin adjusting to it. He will over the next few weeks.
Good for Joel.
Gotta do the sand man thing.
Here's to some work on footwork and positioning on defense and rebounding.
And to getting healthy.
Rock Chalk.
Our solid help defense, don't ever get beat to the hole...kills us against 3 point shooting teams.
Too often we play off of 3pt shooters and help off of 3 pt shooters because of our core defensive philosophy.
I suppose it's asking too much, especially in an early season match up with a team with that philosophy, to get players to adjust for a single game (or two with Duke coming up).
Looking at what Villinova did to us defensively on short turn around last year in tournament, seems like things like that can be done to effect.
But I know, Self's a system guy and that gets us a higher win% than everyone else...guess pick your poison and your bliss!
Bottom Line is the season is far from over. Yet KU is further from a finished product than most thought. The rebounding and inside game overall needs a lot of work.
@jaybate-1.0 true story for him. It's gonna take a lil time. You can especially see it from the corner to the baseline. Buy its a rarity to get all of that on day 1
See you all tomorrow for additional post mortems and strategy for Tuesday.
Yeah I have no doubt he will.
Lucas just drives me nuts
@jaybate-1.0 asked where @HighEliteMajor is. Idk. But I certainly hope it's in coaches ear. We could use alot of that at the moment. Love that it's early. A season can culminate in many different ways. But I do have faith we have the right guy to make the best way come to fruition
Graham battled cramps, and Self guessed that's why Blackmon went wild late. "We probably should’ve switched and put Svi or Lagerald on him."
It's an opening game against a high quality opponent. Both sides made some mistakes late, but Blackmon's 3 in OT that put IU up for good was just a great shot made over quality defense. KU will be fine in the long run even if the lose Tuesday as well.
@Texas-Hawk-10 could u tell if Frank fouled him on the 3?
@Bwag Not sure what advantage 4-1 gives us. I'm not sure what makes our team better than Indiana actually. They were better at basically everything. We were called "one of the best in the country defensively" on air, but I didn't see us make them play bad. At minimum, they made us play just as bad as we did them.
I'm pretty disenchanted. Perhaps we can get better as a team if Jackson and Vick elevate their play, especially defensively. Or if Azubuike develops, but how likely is that?
At the same time, I was VERY impressed with Indiana. An athletic, deep team, of players with ball and shooting skills. Perhaps this is their year.
@betterfireE we didn't play our best and we beat them in every stat besides 3pts and rebounding. We have a wealth of good players. Self knows it's mostly up to him to maximize them. I'm going to give him time to figure this team out. Every year we talk about how we would trade regular season wins for a deeper tournament run. We know Self will be more reluctant to do so during conference play. I believe that yesterday was instructional for Self and our team. Looking forward to the next one.
@betterfireE I'm not convinced that we have a good scheme for 4-1 as a standard formation. I suppose drive and dish, but are we a better 3 point shooting team than last year? Will Self actually make that transition?
IDK
