Starting the game thread early to give everyone this..

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@BeddieKU23 are u there and is that first pic your work?

Been a great ride with Frank.

@Blown

No I'm not there, I wish.. @Crimsonorblue22 is though that lucky duck.

Found the Mason one on Twitter, some great work people do

I must be getting more sentimental, I seem to feel worse than I did when Nick/Kirk had their senior night.

@BShark

Hope it keeps going all the way into April!

@BeddieKU23 quack, arrived in Lawrence! Super blessed!

Buddy is up there. He ran Into frank DG and JJ about an hour ago outside

@autohawk said:

I must be getting more sentimental, I seem to feel worse than I did when Nick/Kirk had their senior night.

I am 100% to cry during his speech.

"We get older and they stay the same age"

Does any one know if there will be a live stream of the Senior ceremony? With UNC-Virginia before, chances are we miss several minutes at the start of the game anyway and as soon as the game ends ESPN cuts to Norwegian curling...:smiley:

@JayHawkFanToo

facebook, instagram, twitter will probably be your best bet

@BeddieKU23 I'm betting he doesn't have those. What about radio?

@BeddieKU23 I want one of these posters!

Man it will be a tough night when Frank speaks, he's such a mellow guy I doubt he gets emotional. Remember how Mari's was and Sherron's? Those probably are hardest in resent memory.

82-67 Good Guys and Tyler Self swishes a 3.

@Crimsonorblue22 Will you be at AFH on a week night?

I swear, Baylor & WVU both 👀 hapless except for Phillips. He is just undressing Lindsay every time he guards 👋 him... Since Gettys & Holthius are calling this one, we're prob stuck with FF. Let's hope Hollys back in full force-Heaven forbid Walton is ever allowed in Allen without taking a breathalyzer... & is forced to wear a chastity belt...

@Crimsonorblue22

I do have Facebook and use it and I also have a twitter account but I really don't use it at all. 👍

Gonna hate to see those guys go. They have done so much for our program.

Frank's dad, 😭 Whaaaa killed me! Frank's lil boy so cute!

What is all this air time before our 8:00 pm Big Monday game? Unheard of.

Higgins

@Crimsonorblue22 Damn Higgins.

There always is a video of the senior night speeches on LJW and I have seen them on ESPN before.

Man I always get so pumped right before tip off.

Seniors look emotional during the intro.... eh, me too.

Let's go Jayhawks!

Jayhawks amped.

@KUSTEVE Aunt Fran :frowning:

@RockChalkinTexas lol...

well, great start guys

O fer so far

set a play for tyler and let's get this thing going

Tyler for three

Funky offense

Nerves for Frank? Can't finish as of yet..

take frank out and leave Tyler in

@cragarhawk

He will.

@RockChalkinTexas missed a walk

Different line up got them off.

These guys are tightern' a gnatts ass stretched across a rain barrel ...

You ready for this Lon?

Just cant make a basket. Shooting slump continues

see what happens now

I bet this is coach Self's prouder moments, seeing his son out there starting.

@Bwag said:

see what happens now

Turnover, takeaway and a made 3

Goodness guys gonna have to play

Bragg has learned nothing since he got to KU

@Eric-san but then having to pull him as it just isn't working. Ups and downs.

@kjayhawks well, make shots anyways

"Franks for the memories" sign in glitter... Winner!

Bragg looking very soft on that rebound. Dont bring the ball down.

@HawkChamp

Needed to pass it out.

Well Tyler it was real, but you had to get out of the game.

@BShark yo B, you think Tyler will stay on staff?

@BShark if Mason could make a lay up and JJ FTS he'd still be in and we'd be up.

@HawkChamp Yeah tough to break playground habits putting that ball 🏀 on the floor

@kjayhawks

Lol. Still OU knew they didn't even have to put a guy on him.

@approxinfinity said:

@BShark yo B, you think Tyler will stay on staff?

Wouldn't shock me.

He needs to keep hanging out with Judy!

Oh man Frank's dad bawling. It's OK Frank II, it's OK.

Already in the bonus wow

Offense is a problem so far. Hopefully they aren't this tight in the tourney...

@BShark Been in a slump lately. Hopefully they will get out of it.

@BShark

It's senior night. Wouldn't you be tight?

Bragg needs to flare out on that pick and roll and get a wide open shot.

But they came out vs UT and put the ball in the basket.

Getting to the hoop with ease but not finishing...

Bragg looking 👀really unsure... IDK 😐 what the H to think ...

They are calling tic tac on OU

@globaljaybird coaching staff needs to instruct him on how to run a pick and roll

two good plays from Lucas

Lucas doing work.

Geaux Les Jeyhaux

When Svi has defensive position he can challenge layups well in the air. When he doesn't have position it's usually a 3 point play.

LL shows them how to do it.

@approxinfinity Svi doesn't raise his hands above his own shoulders when challenging a three. It's weird.

@JayHawkFanToo said:

Getting to the hoop with ease but not finishing...

▪ Rim protection: Oklahoma ranks second in Big 12 play in both two-point percentage defense and block rate. Also, for the season, the Sooners’ defense ranks 43rd in opponent field-goal percentage at the rim.

@HawkChamp l'm sure he's been instructed many times over, but the wheels are still just spinning Face it, Carltons just not the sharpest tool in the shed...

I think we're about to blow the lid off the place

@DanR Is that what it is? Seems like he should be able to challenge 3s with good length and decent hops.

@Bwag no we're getting shots but missing

@globaljaybird I dont believe that. That is very simple and he must not be getting told

@DanR OK 👌

@Bwag c

No rim protection just missed layups.

Or jackson might break his missed dunk record

Missing dunks now yeesh

Lucas with the foul on Graham

Lucas shooting a one and one

Games to fast for refs

That's not a foul on OU.

:stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

@Bwag said:

Lucas with the foul on Graham

Lucas looked like he was pushed though

OU picking up fouls like they are going out of style.

JJ needs a seat 3 missed FTS and two dunk fumbles WTF man

@HawkChamp Yeah surely he's an effin genius & the coaching staff has shit for brains...

Push in the back....

@globaljaybird calm down man

Yep, Lucas was pushed...

Is Lattin going to graduate some day?

@JayHawkFanToo Fran sure got excited!!

It's only a matter of time

@DanR said:

Is Lattin going to graduate some day?

Whenever Lucas does.

Lagerald La-JIT!

Oh yea Mason will keep going to the lane.

@HawkChamp said:

@JayHawkFanToo Fran sure got excited!!

I thought he was about to lose his shit

@BShark lol typical Franny

0-0

nice catch by the fan in row three

Tevin Mack got kicked off UT today apparently.

@HawkChamp ??

@Texas-Hawk-10

Correct.

Vick killing us

No one does the hedge like Lucas, except for that dude from UCLA back when they beat KU in the Final Four

@BShark thats the trouble with gambling on steals. It can put the team in a bad position

@Texas-Hawk-10 Since he was granted his release isnt Tevin Mack available to transfer and play immediately?

@DanR Unfortunately, I think we lost in the E8, not FF?

@DCHawker yeah was it mbah moute?

Man I hope the second half goes better than this. Boy oh boy good thing the tournament isnt today

How many seconds can Higgins count to -not 3 for damn sure

@approxinfinity Don't think it works that way and I don't want him even if he plays a position of need for KU. Not worth it considering the off court issues KU has had this year.

@approxinfinity said:

@DCHawker yeah was it mbah moute?

Yeah - not sure on the spelling?, but that was him....

@Texas-Hawk-10 no no, wasnt insinuating we should pursue him at all.. just to me "granted release" means the kid is eligible next year. I'm just trying to clarify if thats true.

@Texas-Hawk-10

Absolutely do not want him. Also he would have to sit. You always have to sit unless you go down a level, have graduated or get an exemption (quite rare).

@DCHawker you're right 2007

@DCHawker

Luc Mbah a Moute

Failor beat the Hillbillies :smiley:

Joining late - Frank's line not very good right now - pressing on senior night???

Never mind - just hit the 3....

@DCHawker missing bunnies

That's a signature move

Went under the screen against Mason. RIP.

@DCHawker said:

Joining late - Frank's line not very good right now - pressing on senior night???

Never mind - just hit the 3....

Never mind again....

BIFM feelin it bois

Mason = Money

BIFM ready to rock n roll.

Boy mental breakdowns late in the shot clock. Come on guys!!!

OU offense is pretty ugly this year

OU is trying to challenge us for Big Hair Supremacy.

@HawkChamp said:

Boy mental breakdowns late in the shot clock. Come on guys!!!

I've only been watching 5 minutes or so, and that's the 3rd one...

Bragg and Lucas in there at the same time.

Does JJ really shoot 90% in practice? Not sure I believe that

THATS DWIGHT COLEBY'S MUSIC

Man JJ? so Close.

Jamaican in the house

So many turnovers.

OU is 8-26 from the field and we're behind???????

Anyone know the story behind the dent in Coleby's head?

@DCHawker We will be better 2nd half.

Struggling with a BAD OU team. The tournament is a couple weeks away...

Is Bragg on our team?

@approxinfinity said:

@DCHawker We will be better 2nd half.

I expect so, but will they continue to shoot 31% from the field and 25% from 3????

@DanR He is such a soft, timid player. He needs to spend time around some grown men during the summer and play stronger.

@DCHawker Where were you?

This is as bad a half as KU has payed in a long time...

@DCHawker

Just gotta stop turning it over.

@HawkChamp I still have hopes for Bragg. Maybe TRob or one of the Morrii can spend a summer in Lawrence with him.

Dang it, why can't we play perfectly all the time? All is lost....all is lost...oh wait...

@Bwag Ah, had a dinner meeting.... Sorry to be late to the party....

@JayHawkFanToo And yet we're in the game.

Be interesting to see where our missed shots have been. OU tough in the 2pt defense.

The Higgins show isn't helping the flow of this game.

@DCHawker you held us back, obviously!

Completely different than the runs they went on Sat. Maybe a little road hard.

KU playing a terrible game, yet game is basically tied.

If JJ plays like this in a few weeks we are out very very early. Dunk the damn ball with two hands, catch the ball with two hands!! Worst game he's played in 3 months.

Bragg got to dunk that

@BShark And make the freebies.

Wow Bragg you gotta score that

Does Josh have smaller than average hands?

JJ pulls the trigger quickly with his passes...never would say the ball really sticks in his hands.

Oh, yeah. Bahamas. Not Jamaica. LOL

Both teams playing poorly.

@Bwag said:

@DCHawker you held us back, obviously!

Guilty as charged. I'm on the case now, so I'm expecting a huuuugggeee turnaround...

@Texas-Hawk-10

Huh? Why are you looking at his hands?

@KUSTEVE I dont expect perfect play but rather good execution. Isnt this a veteran team? They are sloppy, miss layups and have mental breakdowns. there is a reason OU has lost 18 games.

not sure why everyone is freaking out. we'll win this game. we're distracted..it's senior night...everybody relax...

@KUSTEVE

I know right?

@KUSTEVE this should be a 15 point game, not 2

@HawkChamp OU should be up by 15?

Wow Frank missing at the line

@DCHawker Glad to have you on the bench...we'll be just fine now.

@Texas-Hawk-10 Shoots FTs like hands are big... can't hit shit

Higgins show

Man that Svi plays no defense. :kissing_heart:

@Bwag I'm good at pine time....Too old and slow for the floor these days....

@HawkChamp we should be ahead by 40. this is a pretty meaningless game, imo.

Wow. come on

U G L Y

How many times have we heard Fran say the opposing team just wants to "stay within striking distance".. How about "you want to be up by at least 10 going into the half to give yourself a chance".

I'm glad they didn't play like this Saturday night when I was there!

So many turnovers

Sad!

man im gonna cry at work during Frank's speech

We have almost as many TOs in the first half as we did the whole game in Morgantown....

Cleanthe blood up at half time...come on

@DCHawker

Sloppy and a lot of it is on Josh.

OU is shooting 25% from the field and is in this game

KU 8-15 from the line...

So Jackson is reminding us he's a freshman tonight.

@BShark said:

@DCHawker

Sloppy and a lot of it is on Josh.

Well, he is on pace for a triple double - one of those doubles being TOs.....

refs oh lord

HIGGINS SHOW

@BeddieKU23 joke of a half. And on senior night

Terrible call.

@DoubleDD Which, the basket interference? Looked like a good call to me.

That was not an aesthetically pleasing half of basketball.

@HawkChamp said:

@BeddieKU23 joke of a half. And on senior night

and our defense was solid except for fouling in the last 3 seconds of the shot clock

Bragg plays like an idiot... Send him to med school-needs lobotomy

@BShark said:

HIGGINS SHOW

Infectious bull crap. Sets refs back 50 years

@globaljaybird

out of control!

Coach Self seemed just as upset about the first half. You can tell he is really freaked out....oh, wait....

Eh well.

London Perentes looks more like Kramer every time I see him.

@wissox

There was no way that ball was going in. If the defense grabs the ball nothing called. That's punish an offense big for doing their job.

Fair score considering how poorly both teams played...

Boy Frank may circle this game that costs him POY with missed bunnies and FTS. Hopefully we wake up, him and Josh have been terrible for the most part.

@approxinfinity LMAO......

@DoubleDD I dunno man. Maybe it doesn't usually get called that way, but it looked like the right call.

So can anyone find a player who played well?

When we went up 28-26 I thought we could play well and get a little separation at the half. Poor last few possessions kept us from doing that.

One starter didn't miss a shot

@Hawk8086 thats what Im saying. Inexcusable for a supposedly battle tested, hungry veteran team.

@BeddieKU23 The one that played the radio ??

@BeddieKU23 No. Does it matter though? If we have a crappy 2nd half I'll be a little concerned.

@globaljaybird said:

@BeddieKU23 The one that played the radio ??

Maybe holly she found a way to wear 12 rings

@approxinfinity

Yea maybe by the so called rules. Yet there was no way the ball was going in. Like I said Defense grabs that ball nothing is called. That's just dumb.

@dylans Tyler?

@approxinfinity

I think the 2nd half will be different. Crowd needs to help

I had to check the box score.....Josh with 5 TOs.......yikes!

@globaljaybird Yeah, great night for him so far!

Turnovers the key. We were just brain dead. Senior nightitis.

Frank isn't going to let his team lose tonight. He will get them on track.

This could go down to the wire... Bill puts the seniors in for the final 15 seconds and Tyler drains a three to win it at the buzzer.

@BeddieKU23 No doubt, bill's rippin butt as we speak...

Tight. 8-23 shooting won't happen in the second half.

@BeddieKU23 It felt like the 6-0 run to start for OU deferred us finding our groove the whole half. The crowd was ready to explode and they never got to. If JJ hadnt stepped on baseline and flushed that dunk 2nd possession this half might be totally different.

Actually I think we'll win by 20 and Tyler still drains a three at the buzzer.

HCBS seemed pretty sanguine about things at the half, but 28 points at the half against OU? 35% shooting at home? 53% from FT line. 11 TOs. Missed bunnies? Don't we want to be getting past some of those issues heading into the post-season? Can we just flip the switch and turn it on when it counts the most???

@globaljaybird said:

@BeddieKU23 No doubt, bill's rippin butt as we speak...

Best half time ripper there is

@Fightsongwriter Bragg ain't no damn senior... I'll be shocked as shit if he's here that long.

@DCHawker said:

Can we just flip the switch and turn it on when it counts the most???

Based on about half our games, I'm pretty sure the players think they can flip that switch.

@DCHawker I think the team is tight enough without Bill piling on. I believe he's trying to calm them.

@approxinfinity said:

He's had about 5 missed layup dunks so far. And his free throws look lIke he's shooting blind

Worst half this year?

@dylans Gnatts ass over the rainbarrel.

@stoptheflop Second half at WVU was the worst

@stoptheflop Nah. second half vs ISU at AFH...JMO

@globaljaybird and that half too

@DanR Tossup ?

@DanR you cant get away with that in the tournament.

@globaljaybird I think I've blocked the ISU game from my memory, so it was probably the worst. Ending the streak

I'm not worried about a good team playing poorly in a regular season game because of extraneous value being placed on a game. Like our loss to Texas when Tom Rob's mom passed...

This team will be a monster come tournament time. If all we have to do is win a game, that's what these guys are good at. Life's the hard part.

Life will go on the shelf for the tournament this year.

@stoptheflop @DanR this is the worst half because OU is 170 in RPI while ISU and WVU are top 30. This on paper is the easiest game this calendar year.

They seem to be really amped and playing too fsst. Need to pass the ball around for the open guy.

@globaljaybird said:

@dylans Gnatts ass over the rainbarrel.

I'm sorry, what? Ya lost me

@DanR Conf road losses are easier for me to digest I guess,, but losing on a neutral court or at home give me the jaws... Dance losses or Sprint are almost as bad as losing.

Josh leaves some points on the floor by going for and missing the huge, athletic dunk, when the ball could just be laid in.

@dylans How do you spell TIGHT?

@globaljaybird tig... hit? what does that mean? oh TITE!

Fun fact at half time - Tyler has a better line than Svi. Both zeros across the board except Tyler has only one foul and Svi has two.....

@stoptheflop said:

Josh leaves some points on the floor by going for and missing the huge, athletic dunk, when the ball could just be laid in.

Remember when we wanted Wiggs to dunk everything?

6th TO for JJ.... More TOs than points right now...

@stoptheflop said:

Worst half this year?

Depends on this half.

My word the turnovers

When was the last time we lost on Senior Night?

Nothings changed

@BeddieKU23 nah. wait for it :smile:

@wissox Said at beginning of the broadcast KU has won 33 straight Senior Night/home finales.

@dylans said:

Tight. 8-23 shooting won't happen in the second half.
Lightbulb on?

Got a layup...way to go Svi

Okay, Svi now better line than Tyler....

Svi struggling hardcore

I hate that mid range fadeaway no matter who takes it. Least efficient shot in basketball.

@BeddieKU23 said:

Nothings changed

Yep. Feels like a loss.

@wissox We lost to Texas Tech in their senior night when Voskuil was there in 2009. Does that count, kinda?

OU's young core is interesting.

@BShark Hang in there, man

@wissox 33 years ago

Bragg = LOST

@BShark agree. Lon is going to have this team humming next year if their recruiting class is half decent.

Wake up!!!!

Nope just continue to make them look like all Stars

@approxinfinity Well, not really, but I guess it's been a while!

Everyone's concern about being #1 were right. This is NOT performance from one. Yes they will find a way to win but it's against a 18 loss team!

Big man with a pulse alert

We've seen a team celebrating with 14 minutes left several times this year

When you can make a layup you can't win

@DanR Wont last-game is 40min

Well we already know bragg can't make free throws so let's hope ou misses for once

@BeddieKU23 they're getting a lot of kind rolls as well.

Is not at OU is playin well as much as KU is playing so poorly...

Phog is getting ready to settle if necessary

@BShark I'm curious - what do people think is going to be different in the tournament? Their defense has not been good all year, their shooting has been down this year and they are not very disciplined. I don't buy the short bench excuse. Villanova has had blowouts in conference and they are just as thin.

:mask: Man the negativity is making me sick.

@globaljaybird Tyler Is Getting Hot Tonight?

Come on on guys... It's not like nothing is at stake. A loss to a 10-18 team at home would definitely imperil a #1 seed - and it should. Especially if it's backed up by a loss in Stillwater or in the B12 tourney. We can stand a loss at OSU or in the tourney and still lock-in a #1 seed, but this would be just BADDDDDDDDD. No other prospective #1 seed would have a loss that is close to comparable....

The point is, WAKE UP. This game matters....

@HawkChamp No pressure on OU. Their season is over.

@HawkChamp said:

@BShark Villanova has had blowouts in conference and they are just as thin.

May say something about the conference

@DoubleDD negativity = facts. Fact - we are down at home in the second half to an 18 loss team

@HawkChamp and look abousolutely terrible to be nice.

@HawkChamp Makes it hard to cover the spread.

That was embarrassing for Bragg

Ouch, that makes sports center

The W is hardly in jeopardy.

Of course he misses the dunk. This is a joke.

Come on Braggggggggggg......

@HawkChamp

Fact a win is a win. Nobody remembers the score. NOBODY.

Oh and KU will win.

@kjayhawks Carlton, what dude? lol

I've missed several dunks exactly like bragg's, I admit.

@DoubleDD true but facts are facts

How can you be that tall and athletic and miss a dunk like that.

and the flubs are starting to add up...maybe a TO Coach...

@Bwag

Yep Facts are facts. KU 4 and 0 against top 10 teams, and will win tonight.

F em up, Dwight.

Every possession gets worse

@Fightsongwriter Trying to be like Michael and not take a needed dribble on a breakaway

@BeddieKU23 fourth bad half in a row

Omg guys

@BeddieKU23 I think you have to threaten to turn the TV off and that you're gonna leave before they fix this mess.

well this is looking fun

jeez

We are not going to lose this game.

@BeddieKU23 said:

They already have gave up

Correct

@JayHawkFanToo He fell flat on his ass & knocked the wind clean out of him on that miss...maybe there was really some confusion on this Bragg MCDAA thing-like maybe he was just living at a Ronald MC Donald House or something.??

Turning it off now.

They haven't given up...they are pressing...which is why we needed the time out.

@DoubleDD I hope you're sitting at Buffalo wild wings

@BShark See ya

Blew all the emotion during the rose ceremony.

WAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH !!!

This looks exactly like an early round upset. No discipline, bad passes, can't make a shot and can't get a stop.

Ok. Let's send some positive vibes...ohmmmmm....

Secret weapon time....bring back Tyler!!!

Hell. Maybe I was wrong. Obviously the B12 is a jugernaut of a conference when 4 win OU can embarrass the top team in their own building

@autohawk

Naw sitting in some hotel in some crappy town in God's country.

37 points in almost 28 minutes - really??? So, I guess the good news is that we're still on track to score more than UNC did tonight. Oh right, that was at least against a 20 win team with one of the best defenses in the country....

When is the last time KU lost two at home in one season?

Absolutely no way this makes the sweet 16 let alone FF. Flat ass lazy on the glass, lazy on defense and 3s from 30 foot guarded with 25 seconds on the shot clock.

Hey Self! This is OU, not OSU! You're supposed to win!

We were down 14 against a GOOD team (WVU) with 2:43 left, and I still thought we had a shot at that game. This one is FAR from over with 12 minutes left

The negativity is killing me.

Bragg smiling as he sits down after the missed dunk. I doubt Self had seen it and I doubt Self would have been smiling if he'd seen Bragg smiling.

@rocketdog reality, man

@DanR said:

We were down 14 against a GOOD team (WVU) with 2:43 left, and I still thought we had a shot at that game. This one is FAR from over with 12 minutes left

Agree, but the point is that there is really no excuse to be in this position. OU is NOT good - and, they're not exactly shooting lights out...34% from the field and 27% from 3. This is all on us.

Ok. Full court press, make them earn it...

Good thing these weaklings are giving up so many offensive boards.

That last possession epitomizes their defense this year. That can't get a stop when they need it.

@autohawk

Tough I feel like I'm sitting at some bar in Kstate or MU bar. I never seen so many KU fans spewing such negativity.

@HawkChamp

I bet WVU disagrees with you..

@DCHawker I'm not one of those guys that expects perfection for 40 minutes. Both teams are trying to win.

@HawkChamp said:

This looks exactly like an early round upset. No discipline, bad passes, can't make a shot and can't get a stop.

This is 100% how this team has lost early in the tournament under Self. PATTERN.

I'm embarrassed to be a fan right now, let's stand whole OU grabs a rebound. No more JJ tonight he sucks so bad right now he wouldn't start on a HS JV team

Someone, anyone needs to get the ball to drop and get a stop and get the crowd back in it. They feed off the crowd and it just ain't happening so far.

Switch on ... here we come.

@tis4tim damn straight.

Lots of emotions tonight. Seems to have got the best of us. Let's tighten it up and make a run, Hawks.

@DanR said:

@DCHawker I'm not one of those guys that expects perfection for 40 minutes. Both teams are trying to win.

Nor do I, but this is so far from perfection right now....

@tis4tim And one Tim-Schizz on !

@BeddieKU23 here come the fans.

Mason warming up

KU waking up.

@DanR this team can score at the pace of an NBA team.

@DoubleDD I hope so its about time...

Back to within 7

At home

Sr. Night

9 minutes left

who to worry?

I'm good with Mason just handling every possession for the final quarter.

When is the last time we played this poorly on Senior night?

@DanR you and me both. That drive and one was beautiful

@HawkInMizery every year I can remember

BOOM

Boom

Crowds taking over now.

@DanR We played TTU a couple years in a row and smacked them pretty good on Senior night recently. I know we played them the year Wiggs was here and beat them handily

Ooh nice move James.

@DanR Damn that looked like a walk

JJ with the nice finish!!!!!

Bout time they tried

We have a ball game. :bowtie:

@approxinfinity Dagger...

Vick wants it. Damn.

Vick great effort

All righty then...

Back down to 4..........have to make it happen now!

Hope quitters went home!

I believe that we will win

@BeddieKU23 said:

Bout time they tried

I thought I had a half empty attitude

@wissox We should..........I worry about OU continuing to hit tough shots.

@approxinfinity said:

Vick wants it. Damn.

Loved that hustle.

@Bwag me

AFH is crakin'...

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Called it.

Senior time

Must wake up defensively and box out.

Rebounding is key

D is key

OU burns a timeout. :satisfied:

Maybe OU can miss a few shots too!

@DoubleDD said:

OU burns a timeout. :satisfied:

hopefully they will have needed that here in a bit

Lucas has senior nightis. JJ last game at homitis. Frank is waking up. Play thru Frank. Tell em Frankie...

@wissox YES !!

@Crimsonorblue22 said:

D is key

@BeddieKU23

Both are key!!! Finally some energy and execution. But, we dug a deep hole... Have to keep climbing....

Lucas dropped three sooners, LOL

Last TO burned !!

OU out of time outs...

That's right JJ you can lay it in too. :yum:

LOL Landen. I'm glad that pressure at half court worked out!

@globaljaybird said:

Last TO burned !!

And 6 minutes left...

OU taking time outs to get the crowd MORE fired up?

@globaljaybird said:

Last TO burned !!

So, we should continue to apply pressure....

Told you guys...full court pressure...

@DCHawker Hell yes is a frogs butt waterproof ?

@approxinfinity said:

LOL Landen. I'm glad that pressure at half court worked out!

He's been pretty good lately on that...

No more time outs for OU. :smiley:

The PHOG is rocking.

When we get the lead we need to bury them

OU is done.

Who uses all the timeouts with 6:00 to play?

@truehawk93 Not Roy Williams

@Texas-Hawk-10 I agree

LOL- they are toying with OU

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam

Is there simply no excuse for kicking their asses?

@truehawk93 Also shot violation straight outta a TO-PPOOR coaching & thats a fact

BIFM...

OU cannot stop KU's momentum right now. This is where you call a timeout if you had one.

JJ working on that double double

Let's put this one in the books and party on senior night

D'tae

@Texas-Hawk-10 Charlie Tuna says...

So, we had 37 points in the first 28 minutes. 27 now in the last the last 8 minutes....

Graham Crackers. you all.

@DCHawker we scored 21 in 2:47 against WVU

DG is ICE

Bragg ought to miss fast court dunks more often, that's the last shot we missed I think

McGusty putting up a McNasty fight tonight

BIFM has 21

Childs play.

@truehawk93 he's good. they're going to be a challenger next year.

Epic

Sometimes I think Bragg mascaraded as a top 20 HS baller to get good seats.

Only 4 fouls for each team...amazing.

Don't stop the clock guys...geez

Lon better try and see if he can get Woodard a medical redshirt.

@DanR said:

BIFM has 21

Right on his averages - also 5 assists. Not a good start, but finishing strong!

@wissox That was the most awful miss I've seen in years man- and damn it had to happen to Bragg of all people. I bet his ass hurts for days...

@Texas-Hawk-10 Nope it's ovah

@truehawk93 said:

Let's put this one in the books and party on senior night

How about they go home and stay out of trouble...

@BeddieKU23 didn't u give up?

@Bwag IT's Monday night...go to bed?

@Bwag +1000

@truehawk93 YES!!!!

@truehawk93 said:

@Bwag IT's Monday night...go to bed?

that's what I'll be doing...by midnight or so

I don't think Carlton needs any assistance breaking his confidence right now.

Hope he comes back strong next year and proves all us naysayers wrong.

@Crimsonorblue22 Where the H are all those quitters now woman ???

@Bwag They need to as well

@approxinfinity said:

I don't think Carlton needs any assistance breaking his confidence right now.

Hope he comes back strong next year and proves all us naysayers wrong.

Most definitely.

@globaljaybird I truly hope Bragg uses this year as a learning experience, not just basketball, but life, and comes back next year as the player all the pundits thought he'd be this year.

I like Lon, but not sure about his team.

Tear rolls down the cheek as LL dunks..

@truehawk93 they're really young. Look out next year

OU Self-destructed

That was a SENIOR REBOUND !

Time to bring Tyler back in.

In the books

All the KU haters just turned the tv off

that was pretty LL

When I turn off the game good things happen.

Jamari omg

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@truehawk93 6th man helped!

Mason you are truly one of the greats!

Please get Tyler a shot

RRRROOOOOOOOOCK ChAAAAAAAAAAAlk Jaaaaaaaayhaaaawk KaaaaaayU

@BShark said:

Jamari omg

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Savage

Good night OU and be safe on I35

@DanR

Bill is too classy, we will run out the clock.

Nice to see Josh get a curtain call. He earned it, unpacked his bags.

31-9 run to end the game.

In like a lamb, out like a lion...I like it...

@DanR Rock... Chalk... Championship?

@BeddieKU23

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Awfully glad for Frank and Landen that we pulled this out. Super happy for them. Frank has had one of the great senior seasons at KU. Good for him!

Losing most of the game

Win by 10

Is it safe to come back now?

@approxinfinity I like this team in any given game

@KUSTEVE it's always safe if you can handle a differing view from time to time

There's no place like Home. There's no place like Home...

Know why KU is ranked #1?

Because they can flip the score like no other team can. They can be down 12 and go up 6 in mere seconds.

When Mason left the game and hugged Self... Mason said Self told him he loved him and he's proud of him #kubball

Damn, BIFM letting go... one of our best ever IMO... Would not be denied- That's why guys want to play for KU. ROCK CHALK!!!

Damn just shed a tear for Mason.

@cragarhawk i'll try to be more hysterical next time...my bad...

Well I was right about getting our 3rd straight double digit win!! Lol

@KUSTEVE yes

In the second half my ahem 7 year old boy was overly concerned about KU. I told him not to worry that KU would win by 10. I didn't think it'd take a 31-9 run to get there, but what the heck!

@approxinfinity said:

There's no place like Home. There's no place like Home...

Players did it, but you can't deny the crowd willed them to turn that damn mess around

@KUSTEVE sure if that's easier than just being the terrific fan you are while also letting others be who they are

Are the speeches going to be streamed somewhere?

@Bwag Was simply a train wreck for 33 minutes.

@cragarhawk sorry you're so wounded. maybe rub some dirt on it....

Frank😭

Self: We slept walk for about 32 minutes.

@globaljaybird said:

@Bwag Was simply a train wreck for 33 minutes.

Good thing games are at least 40 minutes...and some time more, right WVU?

@Eric-san Usually on espn3. Locally on Time Warner/Spectrum Sports

https://www.facebook.com/KansasBasketball/ ↗

@KUSTEVE I'm doing good bud. I'm not looking for any safe places. But thanks for looking out for me. You have no idea how much it means to me. Always a family we are

Self: “Devonte, wouldn’t it be special to come back next year and do a senior speech?”

@BShark hell yes!

@Crimsonorblue22 Yeah, that's a toughie...I'm going to miss Lando as well..

@BShark have you ever heard him say that???

Three more years crowd @Josh

@dylans And Josh is gone, too...I LOVE this team...

@HawkChamp

Self is talking right now.

@BShark i know I'm watching

@Bwag said:

@globaljaybird said:

@Bwag Was simply a train wreck for 33 minutes.

Good thing games are at least 40 minutes...and some time more, right WVU?

We've certainly demonstrated that we can turn it one and come back, but that's a high wire act doing that every game. Got hot and ended up shooting 50% from the field, but we were below 35% most of the game. 19 TOs. 7th straight game where Svi hasn't contributed. Just think if we could actually pull it all together for a stretch of games!!!

@HawkChamp Where????

@DCHawker It really does worry me, though! I think the psychology can get all screwed up in the one and done tournament environment. It's all great until it's not that last game of the season.

@Bwag

Can't beat a team like Wichita State playing the way they did tonight.

@BShark said:

@Bwag

Can't beat a team like Wichita State playing the way they did tonight.

I don't know about Wichita St - this year at least - but in the tournament...not at home...teams may be less likely to fold. OU is bottom of our league. Folding was in the cards, but not before I questioned if it would play out that way.

Tyler is going on a lot longer than five minutes

@Bwag

This is Marsha's best shooting team down in wheatshock land. Honestly I hope we avoid them. I know @KUSTEVE feels differently though.

@BShark idc who we play, if we play like we did for 30 minutes tonight or against WVU we lose badly.

@BShark I hope they are in a different region.

@BShark absolutely agree. That's a second round matchup we need to avoid like the plague. Thats exactly the kind of game we lose. Even Self admits we're on borrowed time with these comeback wins. Can't do that all the time

@kjayhawks Guessin C Frankencamp would be motivated.

The shockers?

Really?

KU nation is scared of the Shockers?

You guys and gals are going to drive me to drink. oops to late.

Did we forget the wv game awhile back?😳

@DoubleDD

What happened last time? WSU plays hard ALL game.

@BShark

What was that like 2 years ago? Um KU plays hard too. If the shockers are so awesome where is the love?

@Bwag His Daddy would be

@globaljaybird I have found that not getting on here until after the game that the "quitter" posts don't bother me as much. And the games are far more enjoyable. More people need to adopt @DoubleDD positive attitude.

@BShark yep and sadly we don't play hard the whole game.

@BShark exactly. A solid fundamental team that guards, hits FTS, and plays with 100% effort all the time. Doesn't matter who is on the jersey. That is exactly the kind of team that has been the Achilles heel for us in the tourney.... I.E. Any of our first and second round losses

Sadly we keep on winning

@cragarhawk

Another theme is teams that slow down the pace. I'd like to avoid UVA if possible as well. That game would just be brutal to watch.

Kind of surprised Self told Graham to stay one more year. Maybe he is gone.

What did wv do tonight? Hmm

So the same people that predicted that KU would lose tonight are predicting a loss against the Shockers?
:fu:

@Crimsonorblue22 Sadly we keep on winning

:sob: :sob: :sob:

Shockers by double digits

@Crimsonorblue22

Winning in a way which encourages bad habits. Still better to win than lose though obviously.

@Blown said:

Kind of surprised Self told Graham to stay one more year. Maybe he is gone.

99%

@DoubleDD said:

So the same people that predicted that KU would lose tonight are predicting a loss against the Shockers?
:fu:

I predicted a win tonight ftr.

Go tell Frank what u think!

@BShark

Fair enough. Now I'm going to get in trouble with @approxinfinity :sweat:

Great speech Landen.

@Crimsonorblue22

I have a rule I don't tweet at players or recruits.

@BShark Tweeting is for punks.

@brooksmd wouldn't the world be somewhat to quite bland if everyone was the same? Individuality is beautiful in its own right. Myself.. I like lots of different kinds of music, don't always want the same position In the rack, enjoy something other than what I ate last night, and appreciate opposing views

@dylans

Twitter is a cesspool.

TIME FOR FRANK'S SPEECH

@DoubleDD did someone predict a loss? Or just express displeasure with the way the team played for 30 min?

@BShark

FTR KU rolls the Shockers.

@cragarhawk

You tell me? I thought I was at a funeral. Now I'm hearing KU's demise against the Shockers. You tell me what gives?

We actually played good defense OU only shot 35% from the floor. Rebounding was terrible outside of the last 8 minutes, we gave them 20 second chance points but ended up edging them bye 3 total.

@cragarhawk

You keep nit picking KU, yet they keep winning. I don't understand you're logic. I just don't.

@brooksmd I'd have to agree Pops too many dick downers can take the fun outta the rally that we all inevitably know is coming.. It pisses me off that someone says he's a fan & whines out all that negative 💩 with zero faith. To me it's like showing a lack of courage. I'm like@KUSTEVE. I. expect to win every freaking game.

This team is like the 14/15 royals. You just feel they'll come back. Magical.

Screw all this talk of an easy bracket. I hope the NCAA powers screw KU, and loads up their bracket. It's going to be that much sweeter when KU wins it all.

@Crimsonorblue22 Wiggy in the #9 POTD on SC.

I feel like DG is a transitional piece to the next run of players and keep a little bit of the identity from the last couple of years. I'll be really sad to see him go.

@Blown I agree

The way Self called out DG to stay I'd say there's a good chance he goes.

@kjayhawks have to agree unfortunately

He didn't call out Svi

@Blown Wonder if he wouldn't want to come back and run the team after having been behind Frank and seeing what that senior year did for Frank = POY and a real shot at getting on a team or leaving and taking a big chance on getting on some DLeague team (like so many others trying to do) making meager wages or having to go overseas. That's a lot for a 22 year old to have to weigh.

Graham is so good WSU's best player transferred from KU to get minutes.

Hope he comes back for a sr year to showcase that talent!

@DoubleDD I would actually prefer that as well. of the 5 teams that have been number one this season we've played 3 of them and have gone 4-0 against them (Baylor twice). I welcome a hard bracket as we tend to play up to our competition and match their intensity.

Team reminds me of 2012 so much except they are rope a dope extreme.

@Blown @RockChalkinTexas After how Svi has played here lately I see no chance of him getting drafted. I think this is one of the stronger OAD classes myself. I've said all year I bet we don't lose both DG and Svi, maybe one I'll stick to it and remember how young Svi still is. Which IMO helps his case to stay. We also have the Arizona state transfer next year that guys haven't mentioned much on here with Malik.

@RockChalkinTexas Makes me wonder why is it not that important to these kids to finish a degree ? It's just a piece of paper 📝 but the damn thing is an absolute necessity to be successful in today's world 🌎

@cragarhawk Like I posted after the last game, I'm old and simple and I just enjoy watching them win. If they lose they lose. If you missed it this year, UK, UNC, Puke, Gonzaga, WVU, Baylor and many other top teams lost this year. But the world didn't end. Some of those teams, KU included, constantly have a bullseye on the back of their jersey. And for some teams beating that bullseye is the NC of their season. They've got nothing to lose and therefore no pressure. And as it usually happens some dude who hasn't hit a 3 all season suddenly anything he throws at the hoop beyond the arc goes in. That's college bb and no predictor of what will happen in future games. Relax and enjoy the game and if we're lucky we'll win 6 in a row in the big crap shoot.

@DoubleDD I respect your right to believe that we beat a good team playing like that for 33 minutes. Is it really that hard to respect mine to believe we won't? I didn't say the shockers. You can simply insert quality teams name here as far as I'm concerned. You really believe when we play like that the team goes to coach in the timeout and it's all rainbows and omg you guys are so wonderful? There's not a thing in the this world wrong with critisism if it breeds improvement. Everyone didn't vote for Hillary or Trump, everyone doesn't get a trophy, and everyone doesn't believe we can beat anyone on earth playing that way for 75% plus of the game.. but you know what. It is okay with me if you did or believe any of those things. You're an individual. And I like it that way

@Crimsonorblue22 You going back home tonite?

@brooksmd no

@brooksmd I absolutely have no issue with your take. And if you go back and read a previous post of mine. During the WV game in the phog you will see that I was pretty relaxed and wouldn't have really bothered me to lose. It hasn't really bothered me for years. I just see no issue with calling a spade a spade. When there's obvious improvement needed in certain areas I'm certain that Coach Self doesn't leave that unsaid. I respect the views of anyone who is positive or negative and recognize that it is exactly that which make the world go round. Im not having a terrible time posting nor watching the game cause ppl are positive. It's good to have difference. I like the negative stuff too. It makes you think. And I believe in the world there's a place for realism too. IMO that's my view. Doesn't have to be yours too. In fact. I kinda prefer that it isn't.. I like you just as you are

@Crimsonorblue22 Playin' hooky huh?

@cragarhawk It seems your perspective is overly black and white... What we do today predicates exactly what we do tomorrow, and so on. That seems pretty dismissive of hundreds of other elements that a more optimistic fan is willing to acknowledge exist.

It seems a pessimist can be characterized as holding an irrational belief in the predictive capacity of a data set that is too limited, while an optimist might be said to hold an irrational belief in his team's abilities, knowing full well that he has not attempted to accommodate all available data into his perspective.

Both are faith based beliefs that are in direct conflict. So you see, it's a holy war.

@approxinfinity I just call it individuality. And I believe that in itself to be a positive thing. If it makes me the bad guy. I'll be all too happy to be that. Theres one in every good story is there not? I don't have to have a bad time doing anything just because I don't agree with everyone present. Wrong or right. I believe acceptance of others opinions, thoughts, analysis, insight, and positivity or lack there of to be a good trait.

@approxinfinity said:

So you see, it’s a holy war.

And it can be fun when people give information to support their thought. But, when two or more fans of opposite belief sets just ruin an entire thread for everybody by doing nothing else but sniping and name-calling, it is more of an a--holey war.

@mayjay said:

... but sniping and name-calling, it is more of an a--holey war.

Lol, well played.

@cragarhawk I agree, nothing wrong with being disappointed after we were out played for 35 minutes bye a 19 loss team in our own building. I was cussed out repeatedly my first week on this site 2 years ago for saying WSU would smoke us easily and they did. I'm realistic, we have to play better to go past the first weekend. News flash just about every team in the NCAA tournament will be better than OU and the game won't be at AFH. I expect to lose games, some folks on here, god bless them, think we are going to stomp the living daylights outta every team we play. I'd be more concerned will them not taking the loss. Rather than someone that upset with playing poorly or getting out hustled.

@kjayhawks no apparently you're an a hole and have name called ppl by not agreeing with everything they say. Ya know it's funny to me. The Truman show... Was a terrible, just awful picture in my honest opinion.. but can you imagine how butt awful it would've been without Truman? Ppl are different. When did that become offensive. I guess it just comes down to an awful realization when a man has outlived his time

@cragarhawk nothing wrong with different. I just don't think you're accounting for the fact it was senior night, or that this team has beaten plenty of good teams as well and are 27-3. You're assuming that the only predictor of tourney success is destroying everyone we play. Look at some of the UConn or Syracuse teams that went deep in the last decade. You don't have to blow everyone out to win it all.

@approxinfinity @cragarhawk I always like to see peoples views on stuff, good or bad. No one individual or team is perfect. This team can be crazy good at times and crazy bad at times. It would boring to watch us play great all the time, which no one does or to be like fizzou and watch us play terrible all the time lol. I love the positive posts and topics but I also enjoy read about our flaws, to see if we can over come them.

@globaljaybird took half day tmrw

@approxinfinity I guess I don't follow. My posts tonight we're that maybe nerves getting to Mason early.. can't finish as of yet. Implying exactly what you said. Senior night. And "as of yet" meaning that will likely change. I said LL and JJ were suffering from the senior night/last game in AFH itis if you will. And that Frank was waking up. Which he decidedly did in my opinion. I suggested that a previous post I made on another thread was perhaps wrong considering a 4 win OU team can embarrass us in our building. I believe they more or less did for 30 minutes. And I suggested that we can't play that way in the second round of the tourney against a quality fundamental team and expect to win. I think history has clearly shown that to be a favorable opinion. And it isn't anything I described as fact. It's simply and "IF THEN" statement. If we play that way. We likely lose. Doesn't mean we will play that way nor lose. I think ppl take alot of what I say and try to make it black and white when that is not necessarily so. I've said multiple times if this team is within a bucket or two with a minute to go against anyone. I like our chances 9 out of 10. I think that's a positive statement. And I also think it can't be necessarily lumped to black or white. But I've been wrong before. And I'll bet my sweet Irish ass I will be again 😊

@DoubleDD @Blown doesn't want to jinx us😉, yes he's weird😳

@cragarhawk all the fans sitting around me have a damn good time, we're not bland at all!

@Crimsonorblue22 I have no doubt. We always have a great time as well!

@cragarhawk alright. I guess I'm taking "if we do this in the tourney, we will lose" as meaning "because we are doing this now, we are likely to do this in the tournament and lose". Isn't it implicit in your statement that you believe there to be a correlation between the performance at hand and the likely performance in the tourney? If no causation, then why mention the correlation?

@approxinfinity He was simply stating a fact, which sounded like a depressingly negative prediction when it was really just a conditional "if....then." Not necessarily predictive, just sort of morose analysis perhaps.

Of course, you can reply in kind from a more optimistic perspective: "If we play the entire tourney like we did in the last ten minutes, we will never lose." Also a fact!

@approxinfinity I believe it's definitely a correlation. Am I wrong? If we do that in the tourney a rationalization based on history and atleast in my mind, common sense suggests that to be a true statement largely. It does not mean we will do that it. It doesn't even imply we will. Simply a realistic statement to my view. In the same manner that a person might say. If we're within a bucket or two of any team in this country with a minute to go. We likely win. "likely". Meaning best chance is.. doesn't mean we will definitively win any game against anyone with the said criteria. I mean if that's not gray... Rather than black and white. Idk if I know the meaning. It basically suggests that this team is in fact the master of its own destiny this season. Hell idk if I'd want it any other way

@mayjay precisely. So I then ask... Is the negative mind the one that takes it there? Or the one the says what you so beautifully explained? 😁

The coolest thing about the entire night was seeing how both our offense and defensive efforts fed into and reinforced each other.

Astounding defensive play by Mason on his steal of the inbounds pass leads to a step back 3 by DG--shades of Sherron '08 (except SC got the ball back and made the 3 himself).

@cragarhawk Both of those mind-halves are taking me off to bed! Nite!

I'm watching the game.. seeing JJ make those passes ahead to Bragg.. in transition ya know... Awe... Another turnover.. and I'm thinking that's okay son. You keep on trying that. Cause although they were slightly misplaced passes. Bragg is a lil green on game minutes right now. You keep working that. In the next ten games that could become such beautiful ball

@Bwag yes we did, they couldn't hear💩

@cragarhawk :smile: We ripped a good but young OU team to shreds in the last 7, a team that wanted this signature win badly to hang their hat on. Yes there was AFH. But damn if we aren't lethal. I agree with you that some of our wins have been nail biters. And that we dont want to let good teams hang around. But we won this one by 10, it wasn't close to a 1 possession game by the end. That with everything that went wrong and OU playing better than their age. So that's 3 in a row double digit wins isn't it?

@approxinfinity after JJ's vicious dunk with about 8 to go in the first half. I told my family. Now watch this team go to work. They can score points in droves like nothing I've ever seen we will score 20 more in the next 8 you watch. Of course that didn't happen then... Cragar was wrong again.. but it did happen. And as always. You just sit and watch in awe.. it's a thing of beauty. Those three 3 balls straight by Devonte? That'll make a grown man cry.. specificly Lon Kruger..

@cragarhawk lol. Those 3 treys were amazing!

I gotta go to bed. Work in am. Night man.

@approxinfinity I was thinking that tonight after that. Which I've thought it before during this season as well. Need an icy cold clutch shot at the end of the game? If it's wide open. FM all day long. Never think twice. But heavily guarded? Devonte is my man every time

Lon Kruger did not get the win tonight, but he showed his kids that they could play toe-to-toe with us in AFH -- until the 6th man kicked in and we awoke from our ceremony-induced coma. OU, young and inexperienced, lost composure. Next year, they may be a bit tougher to knock out.

If OU ends our streak next year, we may look back to this game as the source of evidence that Lon could refer to over and over for lessons of what to do to keep a great team on its heals, and what not to do when a lion bites back.

Sounds like Self shares my PoV concerning, Flip the switch mentality.

“I told our guys, ‘We’re running out of time,’” said KU coach Bill Self after the emotional night. “These guys are confident, but I think they think that, whatever the situation, they can flip the switch, which is a bad trait. You get behind like this in a game that really matters and you may not and probably can’t.....”

@Bwag two things about that quote.

A. same sentiment well as what we were discussing: can't play like this in tourney and win.
B. acknowledgement that this game did not really matter ("...In a game that really matters")

Trial combat is not real combat. I believe this team will win the war.

@dylans

McDuffie is WSU's best player. Looks like he can play in the NBA tbh.

@bskeet

Yea, I was thinking that too... OU is going to be tough next year. But i still wouldn't bet on them winning at AFH :satisfied:

Not too excited about the conference tourney (as usual), but man, I am stoked for the Dance this year. These kids know how to win, and just never give up!

It's good to be a Jayhawk these days.

@BShark Why do you watch Wichita? Life is too short.

@BShark

McDuff reminds of Cleanthony Early

@dylans

I like basketball.

@BeddieKU23 said:

@BShark

McDuff reminds of Cleanthony Early

Interesting comp.

@BShark I see. I like KU basketball.

@cragarhawk

Every person is entitled to speak their mind. After all this is America regardless of who you voted for. Yet what is misleading? Though you have a right to speak your mind doesn't mean nobody can respond to what you wanted to say.

Yes KU played like crap. Yet instead of saying they stink. Try to understand why? From you're posts I'm getting the feeling you're all but guaranteeing a early tournament loss? You want to focus on the 33 minutes of bad play. Yet you don't want to give any props that KU out scored OU 31-9 in in what 7 to 8 minutes.

You may want to say it's luck but KU has done it all year long. It's just the way this team is built, and have to play. They are short handed on the bench. So they have to play it safe for most of the game as to not foul out key players before the game really counts. It's only in those later moments are they allowed to play with the fury we see time and time again. What good does it to play great for 33 minutes, yet then lose it in the end because 2 or 3 of your best players are sitting on the bench, because they fouled out of the game?

I'm fine with criticism, yet at least try to understand what you're criticizing. I may have to disagree with you again? Coach seems not to get hard on this team. In fact he goes out of is way to defend his team's play. Either way he isn't criticizing them.

@autohawk Always

@DanR Yeah...I'd look out for KU too, just sayin'

@BeddieKU23 did he get shot w/a hooker? 🤔

@DoubleDD yes. You can bank that. If they play that way against "insert tournament teams name" here for 33 minutes. I will gaurantee a loss. No that doesn't mean they will. And no it doesn't mean I said they will. Best thing to do is probably read all information rather than picking parts of it that only supports what you think my opinion is. I'm largely fond of this team. And if you can't see that. Then you haven't seen enough of my posts to make an objective reply. Either way. I couldn't care less if you agree with my opinion. Whether you feel it to be backed up with data and info or not. I respect your opinion. You can do the same with mine or ya can't. Really doesn't affect me. I'm not changing my train of thought for you or anyone. And id expect nothing less than the same from you. Hey. I love your positivity. And I sincerely hope you and others keep it coming. I also hope negative opinions keep coming. I also hope realistic opinions keep coming. I love it all. This board is where it's at. And it will continue to be as long as the individuals that make it what it is continue to do what they do. It's all great. It's all part of it

@cragarhawk

It's not about whether I agree or disagree with your opinion. It's I don't understand your logic. I've explained why I think the way I do about this team. You have yet to do so. I've read many of your posts. It's pretty much KU sucks and then well KU dodged another bullet.

So if KU cuts down the nets does KU still suck? I know you say you're quite fond of this team. Yet I have to wonder with some of your posts. Hey all I can do is read and draw conclusions.

I have to question some of your logic. In one of your previous post you make a claim that Coach is just ripping this team during timeouts. Like a jockey going to the whip way to much. However every thing I read and see. Coach is quite fond of this current team. Do you have a link where Coach is pissed off at this team and he has to brow beat them every time out? Pretty sure Coach has said this is his toughest team. So why are you right and Coach is wrong?

I guess I don't know what is driving you? KU is number one in the nation, continued the conference winning streak, 4-0 against top 10 teams and is likely the overall number seed in the tournament. At this point in the season what more do you want?

Are you an expert on what it takes to win a National Championship? I mean KU has had the great teams you so desire and they bowed out of the tournament early. So what gives?

Anyways by all means criticize, as for me I going to enjoy the ride. Even if they play like crap for 33 minutes, then blow off the doors of the opponent.

Well let me ask this, if our current comeback style is one that inspires belief, what about the ISU game at Allen?

There is no doubt that our "style" is a risky one.

What makes our style even more risky is that we don't have AFH on our side in the NCAA tourney. We'll have, most likely, a partially hostile arena (as the fans of all other teams will be rooting against the #1 seed).

We have to really win three games to get to the final four since the first one is a gimmee.

Coach Self's quote, as noted by @Bwag, is right on point, and think goes to what @cragarhawk's concerns .. “These guys are confident, but I think they think that, whatever the situation, they can flip the switch, which is a bad trait. You get behind like this in a game that really matters and you may not and probably can’t…”

That says it all. Self knows our style is very risky in one loss and out tourney format.

Of course, our toughness is a great asset.

We've had all sorts of teams lose short of the final four under coach Self. Until we get there, I don't expect that we will. It has not been the pattern for whatever reason. The pattern has been finding some way to lose, short of the final four.

All we can hope for is that this unique toughness that Self describes will be the x-factor this season.

I also think that the "good guard" theory is on our side, too. And we have one, POY Frank Mason, that can lead us to the title like so many other PGs have done for their teams. That, in my opinion, is our greatest weapon.

@DoubleDD while I recognize that I could be wrong.. cause I have been before and certainly will be again. I don't believe I've said this team sucks. I don't believe I've said that Coach is having to "go to the whip" too much. I don't believe I've said they have no shot at winning an NC. I don't even think I've said they dodged another bullet.. but I will tell you I believe they have dodged some bullets. I don't think I'm alone in that theory. I think you've decided to view me and everything I say as negative and that is okay. But that doesn't make it so. And yes I am very fond of this team. I have said in agreeance with others that I like the way CS has handled this team. FM is in my top 3 of players all time of not number 1. I think Devonte is as clutch as any guard I've seen. JJ is far and away my favorite one and done. I'm not at all sorry that I refuse to find fault within myself for hoping they all still improve at some things down the stretch. I'm not saying a thing that I haven't heard Coach say honestly. Promise you he thinks they can still get better at some things as well. So this idea that you have that I think I know better than he does is unfortunately just simply a fabrication of sorts. Very much in conclusion on this topic.. I am enjoying this team and "the ride" probably more so than I have since 2012 and I don't really feel I need anyone to police that for me.

@HighEliteMajor Yep. Toughness factor and Frank.

Remember though, Tulsa for the first 2 games. Not that far away. Should have a good KU fan turn out. Then, hopefully in KC for the next two games. Basically home court advantage. Granted, its not AFH but its very close.

@Lulufulu @HighEliteMajor I've kind of had a theory on this team for while now... Have not spoken it out loud as of yet. There's no doubt they have huge grit... We all know what AFH is to every team. Every year. It's phenomenal. Hands down in my opinion the greatest home court. But I find myself asking if this team is actually a better road/neutral team. Or maybe they can just recognize they have to turn it up a lil more sometimes to compensate the lack of the Phog. I do realize that the game in Morgantown would not support this theory. Personally I throw away the Honolulu game for multiple reasons. Other than that I think there's much evidence to support this idea. The eye test is definitely a big part of it I won't lie. And of course the feeling that this team could very much be quite special. If so being great away from home probably is one of the requirements. The Saturday game could be an indicator or it could be nothing. It's really not for anything at this point other than some pride. Pride we would all happily sacrifice I'd think if it meant a run to or thru Phoenix.

@HighEliteMajor

If we win 1 game (as the first is a gimmee) we'll be playing in front of a packed house full of KU fans in the Sprint Center for a chance at Phoenix.. Can't think of a bigger advantage for any team going into March.

The ISU game and how it unfolded is definitely a concern going forward, 18 3's is exactly the recipe for beating a Bill Self squad. At least recently in the past 4 games KU's 3 point defense has improved a good bit 29% and the points per game allowed has dropped a good amount into the 60's. Are we seeing defensive improvement over longer stretches of time or just playing offensively challenged teams? And as I understand, 3 point defense is largely a statistic that defenses have no control over but the overall amount of points we give up has been decreasing as we get closer to tournament time which could be a positive sign?

I agree fully that our style is risky, and history suggests in the NCAA tourney a Bill Self team gets tight in situations where they are facing a deficit. I don't know if there is a correlation to this but KU has found ways to do it on the road (not just at home in front of an imposing home court advantage) overcoming deficits @ Rupp, and @ Baylor.

At least as you've pointed out we have a player tough as nails with the ability to proverbially "put the team on his back". Heck we might have 3 of those types on this squad.

@BeddieKU23 I have to imagine the overall amount of points were scoring has come down some recently as well. I feel like that happens every year to an extent on both ends. Second half of the conference season. Playing teams for the second time. I believe it's somewhat a by product of that. However, I will say I think this team has improved it's defense quite a bit from the start of conference. There's still room to do it more often.. but they've shown they can lock down when they want to. For some long stretches too if need be.

@cragarhawk

I have often looked at how KU has played on the road as the true "eye test" as far as March is concerned. In years past we've seen a Jekyll/Hyde type team on the road. This year the team has shown unbelievable poise/toughness on the road besides the one dude in Morgantown.

And while we lost to Indiana in a neutral setting we played well enough to win, we played great in MSG against Duke, we won the CBE while facing average competition. There's plenty of evidence to suggest this team brings its game wherever it plays. I think a large part of that is the experience Mason/Graham/Lucas bring to the table. It's something I think helps this team going into March

@HighEliteMajor

I don't know this KU team seems to play a more complete game on the road.

@cragarhawk

Police you? I'm pretty sure you can take care of yourself. Remember you responded to me with concerns on what I posted. I just responded. I just wanted to know what feeds your logic. You on the other hand want to act like I'm trying to infringe on your first amendment rights.

The fact or reality is no matter what kind of team you go into the tournament with, there is a good chance of losing. There is only one champion. Many of great KU teams have been sent packing from the NCAA tournament.

It takes a special team to win it all. They have to believe they can win. They have to have a special player or two. They have to excel and not whither when it counts most. Sounds like KU has all that in Aces to me.

Seems to me....... like to most teams that are 7 deep, if our key guys get quick fouls, see josh Jackson this year, frank and ll, West Virginia this year and Perry last year w/nova, we are severely handicapped. W/Perry's being offensive fouls, he was completely stymied. Mason was completely off his game at wv. Of course w/ISU, not to many teams can beat a team that hits 18, 3's. Part of me wants to play ISU again, I wouldn't let Burton catch the ball, wear that guy out. They show up for conference tourney.

@DoubleDD We've been beat time and time again over the years by great guard play in the tournament. The only time I can recall losing due to superior size would be the 2012 title game against kensucky. Our great advantage this year are our guards, which was our great advantage in 2008. So, the ingredients are there for a deep run.

We are a very tired team right now. It shows up in our shooting, our turnovers, overall sloppy play, and close game after close game. That's the product of running a 6.5 man rotation. For reference, look at Virginia going through the meat grinder, who lost 5 out of 6 before righting the ship somewhat. Look at Baylor running the gauntlet. WVU, too.

We are a distracted team right now- no less than 4 players have been in the news involving one immature act after another. Not your normal Bill Self team, to say the least. That is a brain drain, an unforced error, where one night of complete stupidity involves no less than 3 of our players. Then our other distraction comes up on Senior night, where at least 3 of our starters we know are playing their last game. For reference, look at kensucky's epic battle against Vanderbilt last night on their Senior night. Kensucky was down double digits. Heck, look at Nova's home loss to Butler.

Yet we have posters in here demanding that we essentially win every game by 20, that we lay everything out on the floor in a meaningless game against a last place team. When we don't, then we get post after post of critical commentary where the summation is always "if we play that way in the tournament, then we'll get our ass beat". And they are right. But they aren't accurate in their perspective in trying to equate a meaningless game versus a game where everything is on the line. Apples and oranges.

We're winning games normal teams would lose. We're winning games we would've lost last year. And here's the real kicker- we haven't played our best game yet. This team has such a fierce will to win, it is astonishing. I haven't seen that since ....2008. With some rest and focus, we will win the national championship this year.

@KUSTEVE

Solid post, good thing we only have 1 game over the next 9 days to rest the legs etc. The possible 3 in 3 days won't help that afterwords but this is College Basketball. I'd rather see this team win every game it has to suit up for then trying to predict whether rest would help anything at this point. We either survive as we have all season long and keep doing so or we don't..

@KUSTEVE

I would think the loss to Stanford was one due to superior size, wouldn't you agree?

@JayHawkFanToo I debated whether that could be included. But losing the rebound battle 37-35 is not a conclusive result, imo. You could certainly say their size bothered our shots...BUT, Tarik Black was our leading scorer, and our starting guards ( Wayne and Naadir ) were a combined 3 for 13 against a team that had no point guard.

@JayHawkFanToo And all this time I thought it was due to Self continuing to focus our offense on getting it into the post, and thus our shots in the post were contested by bigger players (i.e. we missed bunnies -- it was the missed bunnies game). Or, maybe, we're now saying the same thing?:astonished: (that is my first emoji here, and it was the "astonished" one)

I also seem to recall Wiggins sitting out on the wing, with multiple players in his face, all while the high post could have offered him an opportunity for some offensive looks.

The 2017 Self would never have lost that Stanford game.

@HighEliteMajor I was at that Stanford game. And as much as everyone may disagree. And as much as it pains me to say it.. I felt it was more an overall lack of effort or energy than anything else. Stanford did nothing special in my opinion. Minus Frankamp and Black. They came to play