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So looking at TT's schedule, this is their first true road game? Interesting.
@HighEliteMajor and they’ve beaten the all powerful Wofford. 😂
pretty veteran group. - Think they start 5 Seniors right? - -should be a good game. - - They kind of took it to Baylor - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I mentioned before that Tech. might be the sleeper team in the conference. Hopefully KU does not get too confident or cocky. Hit them early, hit them hard and don’t take the foot off the gas pedal.
Doesn't baylor have a key player out?
Crimsonorblue22 said:
Doesn't baylor have a key player out?
ya their 7 footer = Acual that's not how it's spelt but him I don't know why - -but he missed the game. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@Jayballer54 I thought a guard had a broken hand?
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Jo Lual-Acuil Jr. is out with a left foot sprain. He is day-to-day. Now for the good news... pic.twitter.com/QzB1Z5geqH
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Terry Maston has been medically cleared to return from a broken right hand. He is a game-time decision.#SicTech 🏀 pic.twitter.com/XGXjrvOA3s
2:13 PM - Dec 29, 2017
I don't know if he played
Crimsonorblue22 said:
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Jo Lual-Acuil Jr. is out with a left foot sprain. He is day-to-day. Now for the good news... pic.twitter.com/QzB1Z5geqHBaylor Basketball
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Terry Maston has been medically cleared to return from a broken right hand. He is a game-time decision.#SicTech 🏀 pic.twitter.com/XGXjrvOA3s
2:13 PM - Dec 29, 2017
Oh ya that's right they had two that was out, for that game. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@Jayballer54 I think he played, but did not score.
HighEliteMajor said:
So looking at TT's schedule, this is their first true road game? Interesting.
Their schedule was not exactly taxing.
TT is rated 7th in Kenpom some how, even with an SOS average of the mid 200s. They are #4 in adjusted defense and 31st in adjusted offensive. They have a veteran group of guys, it will be interesting being their first road game of the season but they have the leadership to give us a battle.
This is a pretty big game. Since #5 and #10 lost I expect KU (and OU) to jump into the top 10. And I expect Tech to be in the teens after blowing out Baylor.
Overall I expect the Big12 to have 3 teams in the top 10 and 5 teams in the top 25 tomorrow. Pretty far from a down conference I'd say.
Veteran squad that passes and shoots well.
Tech has a few freshman playing really well. Besides the guys we already know they have great depth and can bring in a ton of fresh bodies. We will have to play our best at home to win, I see a high scoring game and one we must control Keenan Evans from scoring
Ku will win at home Tuesday night
Will be interesting to see how fouls affect this game. Tech goes 10 deep.. They have made more free throws then we've attempted (which isn't anything new) but they have been more aggressive. So we'll see how the whistle plays into this game. Their top 4 scorers are guards, 2 are freshman and they shoot a very respectable 38% from 3 as a team.
Doke is a major mismatch for them inside. They have bigs but nothing to really challenge him if he's aggressive and we look to get him the ball consistently. 3 of their bench guys are primarily 3 point shooters accounting for 35% of their made 3's. So we have to be mindful of when they go to that 2nd unit.
It's Tech's first road game, this could be ugly for them or this could be a typical game where the opponent comes in fired up. We dominated them in Allen last year and many of those guys are back again. We'll see if the Baylor blowout was more of a product of Baylor being shorthanded or a sign that Tech is for real. I believe the key to victory is limiting Keenan Evans from having a big game, he's been their go-to guy when they've played better teams (29 vs BC, 25 vs Northwestern, 32 vs Nevada, 21 vs Seton Hall.
Quick - Don't look it up, who is the coach at Texas Tech? Did you really answer that question quickly? Why did the last one leave? What was his name? Why did this coach get hired?
This is a must win game for KU. I have a Tech. as my Conference sleeper team and they have good stats and a deeper rotation, the big advantage for KU is Doke for whom they have no match.
Welp haven't heard a peep today soo guess NO BILLY AGAIN tonight. - -Damm, this is getting so old, looking less and less every day. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Well something has to give I heard, Ku best in the big 12 in offensive fields - -TT best defensively, TT best in defending the 3 in the Big 12, - -TT plus 9 in rebounding - - -Really defend the 3.
A/the big picture - -how they going to defend our big Boy Doke-they have nobody to match up with him. - Could bring their 6'11 boy just not sure how he competes against Doke . - Another big question - -how is Doke's back- how is he going to hold up? - Sounds like he might still be sore - -that's NOT GOOD.
Yet still nothing on Billy , I think he is a lost cause guys - -hopefully De Sosua get's cleared soon - -we are going to have to have him for sure down the road.
I know crazy but IF in the end run Billy doesn't get ever cleared. - -Would it be feasible to at least try and work our walk a little bit more for you know just some spot minutes for Doke- - along with Mitch? - -Give us yet that other body if nothing else to relieve Doke for even 2-3-4 minutes in case of foul trouble - I dunno - -just grasping.
One thing again KU has made 146 three ball's - -TT ha only given up 86 all year. - -Coach Self says this will be the best defensive team we will play all year period.
One kind of a funny note - - Doke finally has found someone that shoots worse Ft % then him - Zach Smith -well wait let me re-phrase -right there with Doke anyways - -Zach shoots 42.9 - -gonna be a very hard game - -buckle up, strap it on - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Texas Tech actually gives up less then Texas only allowing an average of 58 points a game. Coach says best rebounding team we have faced to date. - -Gonna be a war. - -ROCK CHALK AL L DAY LONG BABY
Gray averages 5.6 ppg and shoots 12.5% from 3. He already has two 3's and 8 points.
@KirkIsMyHinrich always
Figures. KU has this bad habit of giving one visiting player a career day.
Tech has gotten away with 2 obvious moving screens already. I thought that was a point of emphasis this season.
KU's got to be tougher fighting through screens and on the boards.
They got some momentum and gave it right back....
Just not a defensive minded group. Three straight times Tech got to the rim for a layup. This is why offense doesn'tget you to the final four folks.
We look really bad! Wonder what they did for New Year's Eve? This might be the worst game I've seen, but I'm not giving up.
@Crimsonorblue22 not a disciplined group same as last year's squad. Too often gets out toughed and out hustled.
Are the officials playing a game where they see how long they can go without someone calling a reaching foul on Tech?
the boys are getting taken to the proverbial shed tonight
Dg getting to cute
Obvious foul. Why can't you call reaching fouls? Wow.
just getting out played in every phase of the game. - -50/50 balls going to the floor for loose balls, -- -rebounding, - -fricken turnovers, - really bad shots selection. - Newman shouldn't see the floor the rest of the game
@KirkIsMyHinrich 3 comments implying bad reffing. You really think the refs are causing this debacle? They are reffing much better than KU is playing!
Just no toughness or poise. Doke is the shortest footer I've seen in a while, or TT has folks with reach who can disrupt. Vick doesn't have enough strength with the ball.
just getting beat every phase -getting beat by 10 on the boards -- Ku 10 turnover at the half - -TT 49% - KU 46% - - points off to's 17-4 TT -- pretty well sums it up
Tech is +10 in rebounds and getting almost 50% of their misses with 9 offensive rebounds in 19 chances (KU has 10 defensive boards). This is an effort issue more than anything else on defense. Somebody has to want to play defense and motivate the rest of the team because whatever Self and staff have told them repeatedly clearly isn't working
mayjay said:
@KirkIsMyHinrich 3 comments implying bad reffing. You really think the refs are causing this debacle? They are reffing much better than KU is playing!
Always easier to blame the officials - every reason but the REAL reason - JUST PLAYING LIKE CRAP
Vick has 2 pts and 0 bds.
How many TOs?
Someone po'd Doke!
@truehawk93 10?
10 so far...
Good gawd, it's HACK A HAWK
Walked
@KirkIsMyHinrich And missing the point is missing the point.
mayjay said:
@KirkIsMyHinrich And missing the point is missing the point.
I'm not the one playing the game here, pal. It doesn't matter if my focus is on KU's poor play or bad officiating. So I don't think I'm the one missing the point here. Thanks for counting my posts, though.
bottom line KU is just getting the hell beat out of them on the boards. - you GOT to get a stop - you can't just keep trading baskets. Here we go again - another case where on the year a team shoots like crap at the line all year and then they play us and lights out
Montie Morris
think about this , this will be the 3rd time this year we will have been what's considered our home floor
even when we play a zone they get the drive and get fouled this is sure not like our teams of previous yeas
Dokes got so much to learn and he's not tough- yet
Svi just not having a good game.
Svi and Vick both still stink. Done can't guard passes on the ground.
We are pussies.
Big 12 teams are drooling!
Got an early morning - I'm not going to stay up and watch undisciplined basketball. Multitude of reasons for this down year but recruiting wiffs are chief among them.
@betterfireE offensive minded players = soft
We have been dominated from the start, this is by far one of our worst teams in some time
Would help if we had billy in the lineup
Maybe Newman CAN finish.
They aren't quitting though!
Gut check time. Let's see how badly they want to win.
Can't miss
I’ve missed the entire game due to a meeting. Should I turn it on, start from the beginning or be glad I didn’t see it?
@HawkChamp goodnight
TT has missed several treys. They aren't just going for a win, they are going for a statement.
We don't need treys with this much time. Let's see who hucks a 3pt shot.
dylans said:
I’ve missed the entire game due to a meeting. Should I turn it on, start from the beginning or be glad I didn’t see it?
you might want to turn it on
We need stops
Need to attack the rim and hit some FTs.
No Defense
Thank you DG for the all needed huck
We don't care what u think Fran
Crunch time
we can't get key stops
Newman and a trey....damn it
@Crimsonorblue22 He was moving after Newman left his feet. It was the correct call.
our worst 3 point shooter feels the need to jack it up
Can Newman just not shoot any more 3's? His bricks are absolute momentum killers.
Can't take care of the ball. What in the hell is wrong with this team. That was it. They get within 5 and can't close.
DG trey...miss
It was also caused by a poor shot from Newman, surprise surprise.
anytime we play a team that gets in our face defense we wet all over ourselves can't hit shit.
Can't play D, but we can sure foul.
Wow
SEVENTEEN OFFENSIVE REBOUNDS FOR TT - -FIFTHTEEN KU TURNOVERS
Vick, miss, this is a joke
Can't throw a rock in the ocean tonight.
truehawk93 said:
Vick, miss, this is a joke
Haas he even score tonight?
Never seen dg to the ball so much
Self is just going to let them lose it tonight. Who cares? Team has no leadership.
Lost track after so many misses...
Don't really think we have to worry about a 14th straight championship this year, - this is not a group of guys like previous years
@betterfireE I wouldn't say he is just letting them lose
Got their azzes kicked and handed to them. They are not a team with a high bball IQ. This just about seals their place in the B12. Let's see what happens to them after this game. No team mtgs or any kind of team anything. This is not a team. This is a bunch of individuals that think they can shoot.
Svi🤮👀
This is the second home loss? They are destroying that home winning record. I just don't understand this team.
FIGHT GUYS
Not listening to Fran. I can only imagine. He's been waiting for this a long time.
" - - - -THE PHOG - - -- -HAS LIFTED - - - "
TT has answered every threat.
I'm having flash blacks to the WVU game last year, but without Frank?
This team knows not how to play ANY DEFENSE - -dam radio announcer only talking about how Devonte is working on a career high -- who gives a crap. - -SEE NO DEFENSE - - EVERY FRICKEN TIME everytime we score a point we give it right back
@truehawk93 we need some 4 and 5 guy back ups
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@truehawk93 we need some 4 and 5 guy back ups
what we need is some guys - - - any guys who knows how to play defense
No effort tonight. Lack of defense and effort really shows in the rebounding tonight. 18 offensive rebounds for Tech in 39 chances with 2 minutes left.
Has Vick scored tonight
@Jayballer54 I’m trying. The internet is failing me though.
@Jayballer54 2 points
Let's see how long the NCAA sits on Billy and Silvio's eligibility.
@Texas-Hawk-10 on the oop
Graham and Cunliffe are only two trying tonight.
truehawk93 said:
Got their azzes kicked and handed to them. They are not a team with a high bball IQ. This just about seals their place in the B12. Let's see what happens to them after this game. No team mtgs or any kind of team anything. This is not a team. This is a bunch of individuals that think they can shoot.
Post of the season
@Crimsonorblue22 We don't have it and Self said it won't be until February before we see any difference with their play. If they get cleared.
truehawk93 said:
Let's see how long the NCAA sits on Billy and Silvio's eligibility.
Billy not going to be cleared - -& De souse lmao - -who the hell knows- -Coach screaming for a foul at half court -and what do we do - we foul on a slam dunk - -this team is GGOING NOWHERE
And this is why Self wants a 3-2; because when KU can't make 3's they lose.
Give TT credit. They came ready to play and hit KU right in the mouth. So will every other B12 team that comes into the Phog. This is going to be a long year folks.
Again, I will be shocked if Billy and Preston are cleared this week. We shall see...
TT beat us by 15 in the Phog. OU and WVU are going to be interesting games.
6-26 from 3, out-rebounded by 15, and turned the ball over 15 times. Not going to beat many teams doing that.
Congrats to Tech, they played hard and deserved to win.
@Jayballer54 so u giving up?
@KirkIsMyHinrich Nope and this is just sad after such an outstanding performance in Austin. Well, TT will vault up the polls, and KU will slide back down to 20-25.
39 rebounding opportunities on Tech's end. KU got 21 and Tech got 18 of them. That really is just an effort issue beyond anything else. Not going to win with effort like that.
This season just got very scary.
Well...glad I missed it? I can still remain guardedly optimistic.
Who thinks we just might get swept by WVU and possibly OU?
@truehawk93 Depends if the 3's are falling.
@KirkIsMyHinrich This team came within a few field goals and they went for treys. I said it at about the 7-8 min mark. They were within a few buckets and they went for three treys, and missed all of them. Part of being a good shooter is to know when to pound inside or attack. We don't have a player that can attack the rim like Frank. Graham is the closest thing we have to Frank. Graham does not lead attacks. He leads guys to do the wrong thing on certain plays.
Graham was the only one who drove to the basket. And Cunliffe a bit at the end. Graham shot 13 free throws. Doke shot 7. The rest of the team shot 3. Vick and Svi have to be willing to put the ball on the floor and try to get to the line every once in a while.
@KirkIsMyHinrich Apparently he didn't attack enough. As the senior leader, he has to stay in attack mode.
I just got sick at my stomach...
Eh, I don't have too many complaints about how Graham played tonight. He went to the line 13 times and had 6 assists. If I were to make a criticism it's that he got a little too cute sometimes and turned the ball over. He had 5 turnovers. I think getting beat by 15 on the glass was the biggest thing. Tech just look like they wanted it more than KU did tonight.
At least KU has an easy next game @ TCU, though.
Tech had 18 offense rebounds, we 21.... total. Rebounding is a hustle stat tho several disagree but HOF coach Self days "the rebounds tell you who played harder" no heart on this club.
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
At least KU has an easy next game @ TCU, though.
Serious?
Way I see it. If we're gonna lose home games I guess we just have to win 9 on the road. Possible. Not probable
For those interested in rebounding effort, go to 1:20 of first half. We take a shot, and everyone stands and watches. This happens too often.
Now that we got our 2nd round tourney loss out of the way.....
Saw more pu$$ies tonight in 2 hours than Hugh Hefner saw in a lifetime.
@nuleafjhawk eww
@Crimsonorblue22 Sorry. I'm so damn mad right now it's pathetic. A lot of that anger is directed at a guy that wasn't even on the court. Three home losses (so far - i'm afraid the worst is yet to come) - Happy Frickin New Year. Will it go round in circles?
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@nuleafjhawk eww
I assume he is referencing the little-known fact that Hugh H subscribed to Cat Fancy magazine.
@nuleafjhawk 100% true, the softies won't like it but I bet Self said far worse in the locker room.
I find the tiniest bit of solace in the fact that the worst KU hater where i work is an incredibly obnixious OU fan - so at least he won't say anything to me - 54-48. Bwaaa ha ha
Thought Coach was gonna be on ESPN. Must be too pissed...
i’m guessing self doesn’t come down hard on them. he has no where to go until Preston or Silvio become a factor
@cragarhawk he was on postgame w spectrum. he didn’t seemed pissed. he was gushing over Chris Beard and how hard his team competed.
@kjayhawks pretty sure we all agree how soft these guys are! Where was Vick? Coach said it was hard w/5 and having 7 to play was difficult. I bet he could kill Preston or whomever is responsible
truehawk93 said:
@KirkIsMyHinrich This team came within a few field goals and they went for treys. I said it at about the 7-8 min mark. They were within a few buckets and they went for three treys, and missed all of them. Part of being a good shooter is to know when to pound inside or attack. We don't have a player that can attack the rim like Frank. Graham is the closest thing we have to Frank. Graham does not lead attacks. He leads guys to do the wrong thing on certain plays.
Careful... I got blasted for calling out DGs lack of leadership.
Still wondered if they all partied on nye.
Crimsonorblue22 said:
Still wondered if they all partied on nye.
So you are wondering if there is an excuse? There isn’t. The team just isn’t that good this year. On top of average talent, it’s extremely thin and too dependent on the 3. That makes our margin of error razor thin.
@Blown I would just about guarantee Self absolutely went off on the team in the locker room at some point tonight. He looked pretty pissed off most of the game tonight and I'm assuming their lack of effort was why.
Tonight wasn't KU getting beat by a better team, this was straight up a lack of effort which is absolutely within the player's control and something Self will peel the paint off the walls about with his team.
Self apparently won't publicly throw this team under the bus, but after tonight, they need to be thrown under the bus. The lack of effort was the biggest culprit tonight which is inexcusable at any point in time because it's the one thing that is always within a player's control.
Guys & Gals - here's the deal:
98% of the time that KU loses, it's on Bill Self. The reason we lost this game - and the reason we lose games in late March and early April - Bill Self decides the KU team that has brought him all the glory is suddenly a different team. He plays to the strengths of the opposition. You've heard it said that coaches tell players to just play and never look at the scoreboard? This year, Self needs to play the team that is in the elite in the country in 3 pt shooting and not look at the schedule. They should practice with KANSAS in mind - not any other team. We play our game, we win every time regardless of the opponent.
I don’t think we can complain about the complete lack of talent on the team. Cunliffe was the highest rated recuit to sign with ASU in nearly a decade and he sits on our bench. There is no post depth and no size beyond Dok. You add 2 post players who are ready and able to play and it completely changes the complexion of the team. All the sudden a guard messes up and he can be yanked to learn. If Graham could sit for 5 minutes a game he’d be a lot fresher and if you are only playing 3 guards instead of 4 you have that many more guard minutes to go around. KU could pound it inside and foul up the other team on a poor shooting night. Also with 3 guards you could hide the defensive shortcomings of Svi better by not leaving him out there all night. Svi is pretty much of a jump shooter, not a driver, not a defender. Malik needs motivated, I was hoping coming off the bench would do it, maybe he needs his minutes cut back until he’s healed up.
So I do think the team can get better by playing the guards less, but only if Billy Preston can play and is as good as I think he appeared in the pre-season. Dude knows how to get baskets. Silvio will help, but I expect less production from him than we could get from Billy.
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Eh, I don't have too many complaints about how Graham played tonight. He went to the line 13 times and had 6 assists. If I were to make a criticism it's that he got a little too cute sometimes and turned the ball over. He had 5 turnovers. I think getting beat by 15 on the glass was the biggest thing. Tech just look like they wanted it more than KU did tonight.
Coach Self said when he heard that Devonte said this " WE got to want it more " - -Coach Self said that was a ridicilious statement. He said when he hears a player say that - it just makes him cringe for a player to say that, something like that's on me coach said. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
HighEliteMajor said:
For those interested in rebounding effort, go to 1:20 of first half. We take a shot, and everyone stands and watches. This happens too often.
WAY TO OFTEN. - - - - so soft, who knows MAYBE if and I emphasize MAYBE if we should happen to get Billy and or De Sosua maybe they can bring a little more physicality to the team maybe not quite as much being the Charmin 5 - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
KansasComet said:
Now that we got our 2nd round tourney loss out of the way.....
ARE we going to make it to the 2nd round this yr? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
nuleafjhawk said:
Saw more pu$$ies tonight in 2 hours than Hugh Hefner saw in a lifetime.
That's what I saw too especially when it came to rebounding - - pu$$ie willows. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Jayballer54 said:
KansasComet said:
Now that we got our 2nd round tourney loss out of the way.....
ARE we going to make it to the 2nd round this yr? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Would depend on match ups.
@Crimsonorblue22 Was Vick sick or something? I have never seen him with so little energy. He is suppose to be our slasher, no evidence of that in this game.
@Crimsonorblue22
Billy could help front line depth but talent is still low for a kansas team.
@Texas-Hawk-10 No effort, not wanting it enough should upset Bill. Maybe he should take a page out of old Roy's gamebook and bench the starters? Wait a minute, do we even have 5 replacements?
@Gunman I wish he would do that, send these guys a message. I always told my team that effort was a must, all the time and if they didn’t bring that everyday they’d never play a minute for me. “I’d rather lose by 30 playing our tails off, than lose by 5 because we didn’t want it enough” - kjayhawks.