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Hmmm, sure is looking like Wichita State is getting ready to lose - - Again today. - Down 12 to Houston just a smidge past the half way pint in the 2nd half - -That would be just terrible lol. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

The selection committee can put them as a 7 or 8 seed in KU's region again. Yay.

Yeah just watched Houston close out the game & it was “bute” not only for Houston beating Wichita State “ best team in Kansas..lmao” at home on that floor but also realized that was where my Highschool graduation took place! Now feeling a bit happier knowing WSU went down on that same hardwood! Here’s to my vote for Houston & Sampson + Co. to being 1st University to join the Big 12 whenever/If ever it should happen

Check out this abismal trae young show going on now. He's like 1 for 8 right now, ou down by 15 and he's still jacking up 35 footers...cause hey, they went in one time before and got him on sportscenter.

Wichita State goes down again. Not a top 10 team.

It just means he'll make like twelve 3's when Oklahoma plays Kansas.

Oklahoma is getting drilled, though.

bmensch1 said:

Check out this abismal trae young show going on now. He's like 1 for 8 right now, ou down by 15 and he's still jacking up 35 footers...cause hey, they went in one time before and got him on sportscenter.

Oh dam , don't get people all fired up on here again about Trae - they will bombard you - - - -but ummm - -your right - twice already seen him come down get just past half court and jack up one of those 35 footers' - -still waIting for someone to justify how that's a high percentage shot. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Oklahoma down 12 at the half - - -Texas Tech down 9 at the half, things going good so far - things can change . ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@Jayballer54 I think we will wait for @bmensch1 to post his, oh, let's say 10th or so, diatribe about Trae before we get on him about it.

Jayballer54 said:

Oklahoma down 12 at the half - - -Texas Tech down 9 at the half, things going good so far - things can change . ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Yep.....so far so good. Would be great if OSU and ISU could hang on to their leads.

@mayjay hey he only has 4 to's at half, improvement there.

Oklahoma St is starting to feel that choking feeling

Officials are letting Oklahoma play West Virginia defense.

Oklahoma St needs to clean up their defensive rebounding.

Young starting to impact the game as well

@KirkIsMyHinrich osu just needs to make shots. Started the first 5 minutes with only 1 bucket. And I can only remember 2 others since. First 9 minutes and only 3 buckets and they've had probably 10 real good shots...just ain't gonna cut it.

Hawk8086 said:

Jayballer54 said:

Oklahoma down 12 at the half - - -Texas Tech down 9 at the half, things going good so far - things can change . ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Yep.....so far so good. Would be great if OSU and ISU could hang on to their leads.

Iowa State doing ok so far in the 2nd half. - -Oklahoma state turning into warm Dog doo lol, - West Virginia trying to let Texas stick around. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Woof Texas Tech.

@bmensch1 I would agree with that. They need to start making shots. They also need to limit OU to one shot, though. They've already let OU get 15 offensive rebounds.

@mayjay I could go on for quite a while why I don't like trae Young's game; but, it would just come down to the fact that OU doesn't have much of anything else and the kid isn't punished for selfish and/or bone head plays. So shoot on young man. Keep firing those 15 35 footers up. Nobody is talking about the 13 you miss...but only the 2 that you make.

@KirkIsMyHinrich agreed 100%. At the beginning osu was rebounding quite well. But I think the emotions just wore off.

Does Oklahoma St practice shooting ever? Yikes.

Is tech just getting throttled by the cyclones or are they just playing bad? I haven't watched a single minute of that game.

@bmensch1 Both. A lot of turnovers by Tech, ISU is making shots.

@bmensch1 Tech is shooting very poorly too.

bmensch1 said:

Is tech just getting throttled by the cyclones or are they just playing bad? I haven't watched a single minute of that game.

Tech is gonna lose their 3rd conference game , down by 20 with like 4:00 minutes to go. - -Iowa State has pretty much controlled from the tip - -taking the ball inside a lot to lard - but also hitting outside shots. - -just a good old fashion butt kickin. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

I've never seen a team shoot so many shots that didn't hit rim first as I have in this OSU game. Lordy.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

@bmensch1 I would agree with that. They need to start making shots. They also need to limit OU to one shot, though. They've already let OU get 15 offensive rebounds.

Agree , -- Oklahoma just kicking their ass on the boards. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Great to see Tech get 3 losses.....OSU hanging tough with OU.

I would love to see UNC in our bracket this year. Going to get a good bump because of name, but underwhelming for sure

And yet young isn't that good to some lol

Trae Young is a video game.

All I need is osu to pull this out, ku to win, zion to commit to lawrence and I can call it a good day. And to confirm, I believe only 33% of the aforementioned will come true.

And OSU is the anti-video game.

I can't wait to watch Young in the NBA after he really learns the nuances of the game and has nothing but time to work on his handles.

Horrible foul call. My goodness.

If only they could make their free throws.

WOW - -Kendall Smith , you talk about a clutch shot. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Wow

BeddieKU23 said:

And yet young isn't that good to some lol

And YET - to others - -he is GOD. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY - - talk loud - -talk long

Jayballer54 said:

BeddieKU23 said:

And yet young isn't that good to some lol

And YET - to others - -he is GOD. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY - - talk loud - -talk long

I'd like you to find where anyone has said that

State with a 4 pt lead with an eternity left

BeddieKU23 said:

Jayballer54 said:

BeddieKU23 said:

And yet young isn't that good to some lol

And YET - to others - -he is GOD. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY - - talk loud - -talk long

I'd like you to find where anyone has said that

Simple - - - plain - - -plain - -plain - - simple fact there buddy, I hear ESPN talking about WOW he has got logo range he has got logo rage lol - -AND? - -NOT high pct shot who gives a F - - - - -NOT A HIGH PCT SHOT. - - Finally today got someone with a brain talking about some of his shots are just dum. - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@bmensch1 Yet, even at 40% (14 of 35), Trae is still shooting better than the team as a whole.

24 offensive rebounds for Oklahoma.

What if KSU is really good?

@BShark Then it's fortunate that they are coached by Weber.

@Jayballer54 You are right. Saying he is incredible = calling him God.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

24 offensive rebounds for Oklahoma.

That is where they are getting beat - -Oklahoma killing them on the boards. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

@BShark Then it's fortunate that they are coached by Weber.

Dumpster trucking TCU right now.

My favorite baseball team announcer doing the OK game Jason Benetti. He'll be a household name by the time he's through with his career. Has CP, terrific wit, knowledgeable, plays well with his color guys.

By the way, I was reading through your comments Young's 46 aren't particularly impressive?

mayjay said:

@Jayballer54 You are right. Saying he is incredible = calling him God.

Yoy sure the hell not going to find me calling him GOD. - -I KNOW who my GOD is

Bad shot!

Dang ESPN3 cutting out at the wrong time.

Trae Young is a really good player, otoh in a game where he has 48 points his team might lose to Oklahoma State. We see why he went to OU though, he has over half their shots in this game. That doesn't happen at KU.

omg

@wissox On espn

ISU and KSU don't lose anyone important and ISU adds some really nice pieces. Both will in top 4 in the league next year.

Trae about to walk-off right here.

Best OSU D of the whole game!

Tech and OU with 3 losses........excellent!

Huge loss

Dicky v just found out Clemson has a basketball team. Poor v only thought duke and unc were in the acc

BeddieKU23 said:

Huge loss

Same old same old. You think there is a contender and then they all piss down their leg.

Hopefully KU wins today...

@mayjay We are currently living with in laws, long story, but helping them manage old age. TV isn't always available to me, thus I rely on wifi which isn't always reliable here.

The annual big12 meltdown appears to be happening a month early this year.

Did anyone of you all Trae GOD fearing fans just happen to catch what the announcer said when he Jacked up another 30 footer in the end of regulation? -- NO ? - -didn't think so. - - OH one other thing - -did OU win that game? - -GOD TRAE can score 40-50 and lose - -whats the point? - -THEY LOST , - - - -now in all seriousness, putting the chipiness aside , all this game does is probably sit us up for Trae to have another monster night and OU kick our ass Tuesday , gonna to be a war, not sure who we got that will/can guard him/

Glad he is only here for one year - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

48 points on 39 shots. 8 assists but 7 turnovers. I don't know, was it a good game or a bad game?

BShark said:

Trae Young is a really good player, otoh in a game where he has 48 points his team might lose to Oklahoma State. We see why he went to OU though, he has over half their shots in this game. That doesn't happen at KU.

@Jayballer54

BShark said:

ISU and KSU don't lose anyone important and ISU adds some really nice pieces. Both will in top 4 in the league next year.

@KirkIsMyHinrich

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

48 points on 38 shots. 8 assists but 7 turnovers. I don't know, was it a good game or a bad game?

Trae has to bust his ass. - -The Big 12 has found how to try and get after him - -get physical crowd him - -doesn't always work BUT think it has to wear on him. - He get
s mugged sometimes, plus he doesn't have a lot of help. - -38 shots - -un-godly amount - -BUT who else is going to do it - -without him on that team - -Oklahoma be struggling to be in the middle of the big 12. - it was a so so game for Trae, a lot more goes into it then just points. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@Jayballer54 Again, not only do we call him God but every single person who has ever thought or said anything good about Trae Young has gone on record as saying he has never made a dumb mistake.

You waste a lot of time attacking people for comments and opinions that do not exist except in your imagination.

@KirkIsMyHinrich I don't know about the advanced stats, but it'd be interesting to know what they say about his performance.

@wissox Ah, the move north. Very kind of you to do that. Especially if watching sports is more difficult.

You could just take over completely and make them watch, the way we did with my mom!

wissox said:

@KirkIsMyHinrich I don't know about the advanced stats, but it'd be interesting to know what they say about his performance.

Today or in general?

@BShark What if TCU is just overrated again this year?

@Kcmatt7 Well in fairness they did just lose Fisher for the season.

mayjay said:

@Jayballer54 Again, not only do we call him God but every single person who has ever thought or said anything good about Trae Young has gone on record as saying he has never made a dumb mistake.

You waste a lot of time attacking people for comments and opinions that do not exist except in your imagination.

ONE thing I like about you - -I really like your sense of humor - -I like that , thanks for making me laugh, almost every time you post - -thank you. - - IN all seriousness if you call him GOD - -I'm sorry for you, maybe when you meet our real GOD - you can ask him if he is Trae - -then see what happens roflmmfao. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BAB - -OH have a great day

Kcmatt7 said:

@BShark What if TCU is just overrated again this year?

I'm just baiting an old friend.

@Jayballer54 YOU are the one who said people think he is God. Did you forget that? I was being facetious.

Who were the announcers for the ou-osu game? One guy crying about KU beating them.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Who were the announcers for the ou-osu game? One guy crying about KU beating them.

Robbie hummel who player on Purdue when ku beat them in 2012

@mayjay Just a season, we're going to buy a house within a few months and I will become the master of my domain, well, at least master of the remote! I'm finding actually I can watch every game I need to with my devices, project them to the TV.

@BShark Today actually.

mayjay said:

@Jayballer54 YOU are the one who said people think he is God. Did you forget that? I was being facetious.

AGAIN - more humor - -love it. - well it's time to get serious , KU game getting close. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@BeddieKU23 good! Awesome game!

BShark said:

wissox said:

@KirkIsMyHinrich I don't know about the advanced stats, but it'd be interesting to know what they say about his performance.

Today or in general?

His conference advanced stats are okay in some areas and meh in others. 105 ORTG and 108DRTG are not great.

Everyone's DRTG for KU sucks in conference though, for obvious reasons.

Also these stats can be misleading. Mitch has a 136 ORTG in Big 12 play!!! He also has the third highest PER for us in league play. God bless Mitch.

@BeddieKU23 Really? Hummel did that game with Benetti? Hummel has been doing BTN games. Saw him the other night in Lincoln. He's really young and pretty good already I think.

@wissox He was also a really good player at Purdue. I feel bad for him because of the injuries he's had to deal with. Hopefully this goes well for him, I think his commentary is pretty decent. Definitely better than a lot of other people that ESPN employs...

Well here we are again, right now at this point , here it is - -it is starting to become a two team race - - -KU - -& West Virginia - -same song - - 2nd verse.

Tuesday game is going to be huge. - - Oklahoma going to be soooo ready , if they want ANY kind of chance in this championship , they just have to win Tuesday.

Trae will be ready you know that as we were right there in the end for his recruitment - -imagine Tuesday even Noble might actually be loud. -We are going to have to bring our game - -strap it up - it will be a war. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@KirkIsMyHinrich He had some great battles with Kaminsky and Leuer and Hayes at UW. Really enjoyed watching him play. Purdue by the way is scary good this year.

Well here we go. - -# 4 - - # 7 - - # 8 - -so far go down today. What a crazy year. I don't think there is really ONE really dominant team this year in college Basketball. Every team has some flaws for sure, going to be an interesting tournEY I think. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@wissox They appear to be very good, yes.

BShark said:

BShark said:

wissox said:

@KirkIsMyHinrich I don't know about the advanced stats, but it'd be interesting to know what they say about his performance.

Today or in general?

His conference advanced stats are okay in some areas and meh in others. 105 ORTG and 108DRTG are not great.

Everyone's DRTG for KU sucks in conference though, for obvious reasons.

Also these stats can be misleading. Mitch has a 136 ORTG in Big 12 play!!! He also has the third highest PER for us in league play. God bless Mitch.

Ha you missed what I said about not knowing the advanced stats. What I mean was I suck at math and ORTG/DRTG/PER are meaningless to me, but humor me at least and tell me what they mean!

@Jayballer54

You did acknowledge that Trae might be the best option OU has. Here are the shooting stats for the game. For comparison, Trae's overall % on 14 of 39 was 35.9%, he shot 40% from 3, and 100% from the line (12/12).

The rest of the team shot 2 of 15 from 3 (13.3%), and 3 of 5 from the line. They made the same # of fgs, 14, but took 5 more shots to do it, 32.5% on 14/43.

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PER is player efficiency rating and it's one of the better stats to indicate offensive efficiency. Right now his PER is 33.8, which is very very good. It might go down after this game. PER doesn't consider defense, though.

@wissox Mitch's 136 conference ORTG means he is a TRUE STUD BALLER.

But on a serious note they try to measure how many points that player would score on 100 possessions. However it is impossible to factor in the fact that Mitch is only really taking open shots and dunks vs Trae Young is actually chucking up a lot of shots and is a volume scorer.

Mitch's conference 21.5 PER is really quite nice and more than I expected out of him. He knows his role.

@mayjay Ya Trae needs help. - No matter how good he is , you can't do it by himself , which I think he forces at times and there goes your turnovers. - -Glad he is here only one year. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Trae Young can score 150 against us - as long as we win. Who gives a crap if somebody averages 35 per game if they lose?

But if you are a good coach, what do you call for ou at the end knowing they will be double teaming your guy that takes over 60% of your teams shots?

@Crimsonorblue22 I watched the whole stupid game and i've already forgotten - was OU down 2 or 3 at the last possession? If it was 2 - give it to anybody that can shoot 60% from the FT line and let him drive to the basket.

Wow, those unis on Silo Tech. Probably the ugliest uni I've seen since ..... never.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

But if you are a good coach, what do you call for ou at the end knowing they will be double teaming your guy that takes over 60% of your teams shots?

Maybe an alley-oop from Trae? Get someone close to the basket and have him throw it at the basket sooner rather than trying to create an open shot.

Easy to say with 20-20 hindsight. If Trae hits that game winning shot, his legend grows.

@bskeet they are not going to let Trae catch it?

Well, for you one's that think it's me - - I have a woody for Trae , how I have a personal vendetta against Young, not sure if you watched or have been listening to sports figures , former players - analysts - -writers even OU fans on message boards ? -They tearing his ass up. You seem think I have it in for Young - you have no idea - -no clue , the things I'm saying is just the same as many many many others are.

Hell if anything I'm on the lower end of the totum pole for Trae , I can acknowledge he is sensational player but if you listened to Jay Bilas - - Jay Williams - - Seth Green berg , the commentators on the game afterwards - -sports writers - -hell even OU fans. - -I could post quotes , thread after thread after thread - but I'd wear my keyboard out. - -Only thing I can tell you to do is check out the ESPN college conversation board about the OU-OSU game for one example.

As I mentioned Trae young plays terrible defense if any for 3/4 of the game. - Jay Williams and Seth both giving an example asking what the hell was he doing when OSU was down by 3 in the final seconds and allowing the OSU player to drive right down the side of the court and offered little resisitence flipping an arm as he put up the tying three point shot - -uncontested no defense at all, they gave multiple examples of what he could/should of done.

Before you want to try and justify his shots and play talk about he has no help - - ya he doesn't maybe BUT like they showed on multiple possessions you just have Trae dribbling with the ball and FOUR players just standing around doing nothing watching Trae and waiting to basically rebound NO OFFENSE at all, and then when he HE DOES pass the ball they aren't ready cause biggest majority he is one on one and jacks up shots.

Seth says at some point their going to quit rebounding the ball, there is going to start having decension on the team - -Jay Williams saying that they have to get this fixed with Tare.

14-39 - -8-20 from the arc and no one else o the team made more then THREE shots no one more scored more then 8 points.

I'm saying you think I hate Trae - -lmao - -ok that's your little story , you write it up all you want to twist it knock yourself out. - -here to tell you that it's FAR from me - -these other are really on his ass. - I could give you many posts - -articles but I won't. - just don't be coming at me with how I have a hard on about Trae. - I think he is a really good player, I just don't have my nose buried up his ass like you do that's all - -and evidently neither do ALOT of others including his Oklahoma fan base

@Jayballer54 I agree, Young is going to have to learn to use his teammates more. I thought he took so many ill advised shots yesterday when Latin had his man sealed for a dunk or lob. I read some folks complaining about some of the fouls DTG and Newman got yesterday, Young gets every call you could imagine around the hoop. He had one play where he fumbled it away and OSU took it without touching him but a foul was called. He lives at the line. If he doesn’t start playing thru other guys he may cause them to quit on him, you can get away with it awhile when winning games but a guy shooting it 39 times and only making 14 not gonna fly.

@kjayhawks they always show Trae complaining to the refs, some day that will back fire

T. Young is a very rare talent; at this moment, the only Big 12 player I am inclined to watch, other than our Jayhawks. In my opinion, he is much more enjoyable to watch than was collegiate frosh Andrew Wiggins. In recent Jayhawk seasons, the only two players who could match him in eye-catching astonishment might have been Joel Embiid and Josh Jackson. I think it is a shame that his OK teammates cannot deliver on his sometimes amazing passes. If the Sooners possessed a topflight forward or center, Trae would probably average 12 or 13 assists rather than his current 10; and opponents would not be so bent on double and triple teaming him right from the opening jump. I fully expect Bill Self and Co. to figure out a way to defeat Oklahoma, at least one of the two league games. But that kid is bound to give us fits...and to post some scary stats. I look forward to watching him play professional ball, surrounded by teammates whose skills are commensurate with his. By Year 3 in the NBA he will most likely be recognized as a top 6 NBA pt. guard. Just my not so humble opinion, freely shared!

@Crimsonorblue22 Crimson, I think some of his chatter with officials is merely an attempt to swallow and adjust their whistles and viewpoints. Recently, I have noticed a bit of Young's chesty shoulder shaking after his spectacular shot making, something which detracts from his normal steady serious demeanor. Curry does that kind of stuff, too. Maybe the kid is spending a bit too much time studying not only the play but the ugly glitter of NBA moneymakers.

@REHawk Oops, I meant to type "swallow and DIGEST."

kjayhawks said:

@Jayballer54 I agree, Young is going to have to learn to use his teammates more. I thought he took so many ill advised shots yesterday when Latin had his man sealed for a dunk or lob. I read some folks complaining about some of the fouls DTG and Newman got yesterday, Young gets every call you could imagine around the hoop. He had one play where he fumbled it away and OSU took it without touching him but a foul was called. He lives at the line. If he doesn’t start playing thru other guys he may cause them to quit on him, you can get away with it awhile when winning games but a guy shooting it 39 times and only making 14 not gonna fly.

Here is some of what was written in a article. Oklahoma scored at just a 1.01 points per possession - -that's not going to win you very many games.

Saying it's not like Young doesn't have other capable team mates of being and have been good secondary options - -James & Manek are shooting a combined 41 % on 3s. - It says you can't seize opportunities if you have been missing 25 shots in 43 minutes.

They were saying last night during game day with Kentucky and then later Trae needs/better be getting his team mates more involved again - -his teammates are standing around -cause their thinking they not getting the ball - -to much one on one -

here is another post: Basketball is a TEAM game , something Trae obviously didn't learn and STILL isn't being taught. - He had 48 points but several of his 3's that he made were poor shot selections.

Another point brought out in a article states: The question here isn't whether Young is really sensational ( a point which I have stated many times here , he is an awesome talent BUT - then there are people that think I'm on a vendetta against Him what the F - - - ever ) -- nobody not saying he isn't really good. But it says the question is whether Okla would have a better chance of winning if the freshman did not record THE HIGHEST FIGURE FOR POSSESSION USAGE in the seventeen years of data set at Ken pom .com. - -many many other statements - -examples from people former players - BUT yet I have the vendetta - - I've had it in for him - -ya ok. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@nuleafjhawk

Not quite. If a player is shooting 60% from the line, the chance of making BOTH shots is only 36%.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@kjayhawks they always show Trae complaining to the refs, some day that will back fire

Ya perfect example. - -Scrum on the floor with Trae and another player - -Tare on his knee's the other player gets control get's the ball and Trae continues to sit on the floor and complain to the referee

@JayHawkFanToo So, a 60% shooter can never make two consecutive free throws?

Better than the odds of throwing up a 30', guarded trey...

@nuleafjhawk

That is NOT what I said; I am just using plain statistics.

It is like flipping a perfectly balanced coin, the odds of getting head or tails is 50% every time and if you flip a coin 100 times you will get pretty close to a 50-50 distribution. Now, the odds of getting either side 2 times in a row is not 50% but 25% and the odds of getting either side 3 times in a rows is 12.5% and so on. This DOES NOT mean that you cannot or will not get one side 2 or 3 times in a row, only that the likelihood becomes smaller.

In comparison, a 70% shooter has a 49% chance of making both shots, an 80% shooter 64% chance and a 90% shooter and 81% chance. I would want Malik or Devonte at the line and not Doke or Garret.

@JayHawkFanToo I'm not that smart. Math bugs me. My point was - Young took a really dumb shot (being behind by only two) and about any other would have been a better idea.

I've seen a lot of Oklahoma games. Fun to watch when things are clicking. Things went bad this past week. The TCU game last weekend was a great game, the Ok St was a great game to watch. OU is going through changes as a young team.

Young is a great player, the best I've seen in the Big-12 since Durant. Especially when you consider Young doesn't have the physical tools that usually separate the best from the best its more impressive what he's been able to do. The expectations are through the roof with the amount of publicity he's getting now. He's got to get away from hero ball though.

His coach should be a major part in what happens going forward if OU is going to turn this around. The one thing Young has to change about his game is the selfish 30 footers. It's a low % shot for a player who clearly has "in the gym range". Kruger has to reign that in, we know other coaches wouldn't allow a player so much freedom. You notice guys standing around for OU when they feel like the possession is going to end in a Young shot. I get the sense that the attention Trae gets has affected the team in a negative way. This week certainly felt like Trae let the attention go to his head. I can't imagine the pressure he's under right now. It's a good lesson for him to be experiencing now before he becomes a professional.

I highly doubt Young is going to let a bad week ruin this great season he's having. He's just got to learn what a good shot is. His teammates also have to do a better job of capitalizing on opportunities. OU missed a ton of open shots off Young passes Saturday. OU isn't good enough to play poorly and rely on Trae doing everything. Manek, James, McGusty all have to bring it every night.

I wouldn't be surprised to see OU look completely different tomorrow. Its a big game for them

@JayHawkFanToo Odds like those for coins do not transfer to human events. If they did, players' shooting percentages would not change (improve or get worse) over time. 50% for coin flips is predictive due to perfectly balance coin. 60% for a shooter is merely historical data, and has nothing to do with the likelihood of making the next shot.

In other words, it is due to the presumed inherent, immutable characteristics of the coin that the next flip will be 50% either way. A basketball shot's chance of going in depends on a huge number of other external variables--distance, defenders, etc.

@mayjay I’m pretty sure he’s talking about free throws, so less variables and the math does work better. (Unguarded, same distance, same ball, same hoop, all the differences are mental and conditioning)

With free throws, it is very predictable -- Michael Jordan, for example, before his minor league baseball season, was between 83.2% and 85.1% in nine seasons.

You also have to look at the sample size, of course. We all know that.

@BeddieKU23 I hope he plays exactly the same. With the same outcome.

It's a big game for us too.

@dylans @HighEliteMajor That makes more sense, but Garrett shooting 48% on FTs after shooting 61.8% in 165 attempts in HS seems to suggest a degee of unpredictability for players in the center of the bell curve. You would expect he would get better in college. Perhaps only having half the chances per game, or less, exacerbates the variation because if a guy has a pattern of making more after getting comfortable, his misses get added weight.

@mayjay

Like other have mentioned, FT are a lot more predictable than other shots since the only variable is the player himself and, once his average has been established through enough attempts, the percentage tends to remain fairly constant (it is called regression to the mean) with the variation accounted by the standard deviation which, for a situation like this, would become narrower with a larger sample; 19 games give us a decent size sample.

My point was that although a 60% FT shooter can make 2 FTs, the odds are not as good as they would appear. Sending an 85% shooter to the line instead doubles the odds from 36% to 72%. Now Doke has made 2 FT in a row before but I would not count of him doing it more than roughly 25 out of 100 tries given his average of 50%. A made layup is the best shot and this is why teams prefer to foul rather than allow the layup.

Enough math for one day.:smiley:

@JayHawkFanToo Dok's variation in FT performance does to probability he will make it what that proverbial lake that averages 3 inches deep does to someone who thinks that means they cannot drown in it.

mayjay said:

@dylans @HighEliteMajor Garrett shooting 48% on FTs after shooting 61.8% in 165 attempts in HS

I didn't know those hs FT numbers. So we have a starting guard who can't shoot 3's, FGs or FTs, and not being that big or tall is not much of rebounder.

Ack.

Are we really, really sure that taking a chance on giving someone else at least some those minutes isn't a reasonable gamble before we get too close to March?

@StLJhawk

Are we talking about the same player? Garret is 6’-5” and inch-for-inch perhaps the best rebounder on the team. Only Doke, Vick and Newman have better averages and they play a lot more minutes per game and Doke is half foot taller.

I've thought we've been playing Garrett out of position since his confidence in his shot went down the tube. If he can't shoot the 3 why is he roaming the perimeter so much. Why isn't he the de-facto "4" in our 4 guard lineup. His shooting % is so skewed by his poor 3 pt %. He's shooting 57% on 2's. Why isn't this guy closer to the basket where he makes a better %. He might even extend a few possessions in games (like we saw against Baylor) having him closer to the hoop for rebounds.

@JayHawkFanToo ok, my bad, I retract the rebounding statement. But standing by my opinion that he is fast becoming more of a liability and I'd like to see others get more of his minutes.

@StLJhawk

Don’t fret, soon enough Coach Self will figure out a way to get him more involved offensively. He might guard Trae tomorrow and shut him down which is better than any offense he can contribute. KU has plenty of shooters/scorers but not enough defense.

@JayHawkFanToo I would love for you to be right and me to be wrong and have Garrett break out tomorrow, shut Trae down- and actually score some points. I'll send out some good vibes...

I will be shocked if Garrett can ever get going on offense. His confidence is just so shot at this point, I'm not sure there is any chance of recovery until the offseason.

If he just concentrates on D he will be fine!

@StLJhawk

I’ll take it.👍