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Emporia State EXI
Oct 20, 2018 01:36 PM #1

Thank goodness we now have actual dribbling, shooting and defending to talk about. I still like playing the Kansas colleges; Emporia State has players from Burlington, Osage City, Spring Hill, Bonner Springs and Tonganoxie. I think it's great that Kansas kids get to play in Allen Fieldhouse.

And, Emporia State brings a new coach to the game. Craig Doty just got hired in April and gets to play the Jayhawks as his first game for Emporia. Welcome aboard Coach. Good luck.

KU starters: Dok, Dedric, Grimes and..... . I say Vick and Moore. Both because they've been in the program and know how KU operates. Rock Chalk.

Oct 21, 2018 04:09 AM #2

I think we should give ESU a couple of our guys. Seriously.

Oct 21, 2018 04:12 AM #3

Same. I’m tired of just talking legalese and rumors. I do post a lot on those just because it’s what I’ve done for a living, but I like actual basketball more. If I had to guess, I’d say the starters will be Dotson, Grimes, K.J., Dedric, and Doke. Though it would be zero surprise to see Vick starting at the 3. I’m like 90% sure Devon has shown the staff enough to claim the PG spot over Charlie. He’s probably better suited as a canned offense guy off the bench.

Oct 21, 2018 04:17 AM #4

DanR said:

I think we should give ESU a couple of our guys. Seriously.

Elijah and Luinstra? ;)

Oct 21, 2018 04:24 AM #5

BShark said:

DanR said:

I think we should give ESU a couple of our guys. Seriously.

Elijah and Luinstra? ;)

This is a 12:30 Farmer is finishing his beer take but EJ is gonna make a big 3 for KU at some point in his career. Dude is a legit mid major talent who’s family doesn’t give a rats ass about paying for school

Oct 21, 2018 01:17 PM #6

It's just been a long wait for Dedric, KJ, Grimes and the rest to get on the court. I was underwhelmed by the Late Night scrimmage. Looking ahead two weeks to Nov 6, Michigan St probably starts:
Nick Ward, F 6'9", 245 lbs. 12.4 pts.
Xavier Tillman, F/C 6'8", 245 lbs.
Cassius Ward, PG 6'1", 12.6 pts., 49.7%-3 pt shooting
Matt McQuaid, G, 6'5"
Josh Langford, G 6'5"

Winston's 3 point shooting and Nick Ward's inside play seem to be the strengths. Oh boy, do I love beating Coach Izzo. How you going to stop Dok & Dedric Michigan State?

Oct 21, 2018 01:25 PM #7

@stoptheflop As a Big 10 follower, MSU is more beatable this year than most I think. But they've kind of had our number in recent years.

Oct 21, 2018 01:34 PM #8

@wissox Yeah, MSU lost their two best players. Bridges and Jackson. Of course Izzo didn't play Jackson enough in the first place.

I've mentioned this before but my family is mostly MSU and U of M grads so I follow those two almost as closely as KU.

Anyway, not saying MSU can't win, because Izzo is a decent coach but this definitely isn't a vintage MSU team. The way I see it they have 4 dudes: Winston, Langford, Tillman and Ward and the rest are just guys. Patent pending on dudes and guys rating system. :joy:

Oct 21, 2018 02:11 PM #9

Who may remind me of the players involved in Tom Izzo's isolation play when MSU beat us in the tourney? I still have a mental image of MSt's 4 offensive players isolating 4 of our defenders away from the basket, leaving the game to be decided by two guards going one-on-one. Great play called by Izzo; one of the best I can remember. Can anyone explain why our other 4 defenders let themselves be isolated and became spectators for the decisive play of the game? One KU defender in the paint helping our guard would have solved the problem. How do the rest of you remember this play?

Oct 21, 2018 04:52 PM #10

@BShark Does your family believe that UM plays by the rules in recruiting? Just about everyone I talk to here believes that.

Oct 21, 2018 05:40 PM #11

@Hawk8086 They surely don't in football.

Oct 21, 2018 07:20 PM #12

@BShark Yes. But basketball?

Oct 21, 2018 07:59 PM #13

@Hawk8086 I think they are probably as clean as anyone can be and still be successful. By that I mean I'm sure there is still some shady alumni/booster thins going on. But that John Beilein is probably pretty dang clean himself. He does a lot finding hidden gems and lands mostly localish players.

Oct 22, 2018 02:12 AM #14

@DanR Give them Silvio and Vick, the two guys most likely to not finish the season!*

[* I HOPE I AM WRONG}

Oct 22, 2018 03:17 AM #15

Where would Vick be going?

Oct 22, 2018 03:22 AM #16

With all of this FBI BS I’m the least excited I’ve been for KU basketball since I started watching in the mid 90s. It will be interesting to see what’s mentioned on the air on the case.

Oct 22, 2018 01:47 PM #17

I'm looking forward to seeing the Dedric that Coach Self has been talking about: "unguardable" and "best passer." Dok may practice his free throw shooting during the exhibitions and Grimes, Dotson and Moore may acclimate to the flow of Coach Self's offense. I can't wait for the season to begin. Finally.

Oct 22, 2018 01:59 PM #18

The exhibitions really are just going to be scrimmages this year, with all of the focus on getting continuity before playing Sparty to start the year. It will be interesting to see what lineups play together and whether Self toys with some of his more exotic options or goes back to his more traditional 3 out, 2 in. There are some creative lineups he could put together with Dedric at the 5, and some equally creative lineups with Dedric and KJ at the 3 and 2. Whether Self does that will tell us a bit about how much he may be willing to push the envelope to create favorable matchups this season with so much depth at his disposal.

Oct 22, 2018 02:01 PM #19

stoptheflop said:

I'm looking forward to seeing the Dedric that Coach Self has been talking about: "unguardable" and "best passer." Dok may practice his free throw shooting during the exhibitions and Grimes, Dotson and Moore may acclimate to the flow of Coach Self's offense. I can't wait for the season to begin. Finally.

Dedric should look completely unstoppable in the exhibitions if he puts forth an effort. I'm intrigued to see him against MSU who has some big athletes in the post.

Oct 25, 2018 01:11 PM #20

@BShark Yes, I was disappointed to hear Coach Self complaining about the lack of effort Grimes puts in and his comments about Dedric being low key, but sneaky with his scoring. I always admired Frank and Josh's motors: It showed me they cared about winning.

Oct 25, 2018 02:03 PM #21

@stoptheflop I don't think he meant it exactly that way. I think he meant he has more to give and can do more than he knows. I don't know if that makes sense. If you saw him play in the USA games, he's not lazy! Josh has to have that motor cause he can't shoot, the best of josh and wiggs together would be a great bb player! That fire I love about josh has also got him in trouble.

Oct 25, 2018 02:16 PM #22

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@stoptheflop I don't think he meant it exactly that way. I think he meant he has more to give and can do more than he knows. I don't know if that makes sense. If you saw him play in the USA games, he's not lazy! Josh has to have that motor cause he can't shoot, the best of josh and wiggs together would be a great bb player! That fire I love about josh has also got him in trouble.

Yeah he just meant that sometimes Grimes needs that extra push. Grimes responds well to being challenged. It won't shock me one bit if Grimes has more points on average against Nova, UK and MSU than he does against Wofford, South Dakota etc...

Dedric is the kind of player that isn't likely to throw down dunks in a game and sometimes won't look like he is doing much but then you check the stat sheet and see like 18/8/6/2/1 or something like that.

Oct 25, 2018 02:33 PM #23

@stoptheflop Anyone know if the game will be on the ESPN+ ???
Cuz I am really needing to watch this game tonight.
Someone @ me on this!

Oct 25, 2018 02:33 PM #24

This is not the same thing as Wiggins just coasting. This is more like he shies away from trying to be THE scorer when he needs to because he is the best.

Grimes is not the physical specimen that Wiggins was and therefore not the guaranteed Top 5 pick Wiggins would have been either. He will have to show out at the college level to be a lottery pick.

Oct 25, 2018 02:35 PM #25

@stoptheflop If Coach Self can get Wiggs to play good ball, then he can get Grimes to do it. Never met the kid but I bet he has more heart in his pinky than Wiggs does in is whole body.

Oct 25, 2018 03:02 PM #26

@Kcmatt7 I watched Grimes compete in the FIBA tournament and was impressed with his size. The roster says 6'5", 210. He has broad shoulders and isn't afraid to defend bigger guys in the paint. He played bigger than a shooting guard in the FIBA tourney last summer.

Oct 25, 2018 03:03 PM #27

Powerful legs too

Oct 25, 2018 03:04 PM #28

Lulufulu said:

@stoptheflop If Coach Self can get Wiggs to play good ball, then he can get Grimes to do it. Never met the kid but I bet he has more heart in his pinky than Wiggs does in is whole body.

Part of it with Grimes is he has such a good basketball mind that he always just wants to make the right theoretical play even if that was a pass to a player that is less likely to score than he is.

Given that he will be surrounded with much more talent at KU than he was in HS/AAU that should help him as well.

Oct 25, 2018 03:10 PM #29

@BShark @Crimsonorblue22

I remember way back when, before many Bucketeers were even a glint in their parents' eyes--heck, before some of their parents were even a glint in the g-parents' eyes--that the huge knock on Amos Otis was that he "wasn't giving 100%," or he got by on "superstar talent with journeyman effort," and stuff like that. He stole bases and made it look easy, so why didn't he try harder and steal more? He could cover 36,000 acres in centerfield, so why didn't he catch that one at the wall in right center? He trotted to first on groundouts to the pitcher, but shouldn't you run every time? Then Brett came in, who blew every one away with his crazy full-bore hustle, probably cementing Otis's legacy as not givlng it all. The performance by Cain in the WS years was hailed as an Otis with the "right" approach, with all those advanced metrics to document his superhuman feats.

Looking back at Otis, and now Wiggins, I think that people see those guys as blessed with ability that enables them to perform spectacularly all the time if they would just try harder, or focus more. But I think the reality is that no one in history can be spectacular all the time. Even Wilt, with the single greatest and longest variation of statistical excesses over average in basketball, was accused of not doing everything he could (couldn't beat Russell, so he must not have been a team player, etc). I think what we see is that these guys are so fluid in their movements that we think they are taking it easy when they really are giving it all. Sometimes, circumstances (a rebound at just the right angle, an opening in the line in football, a reachable line drive n the gap, etc) provide the uniquely talented some opportunities for the spectacular, but we err in thinking spectacular can ever be routine.

"He makes it look so easy" is one of the worst things that can be said about an athlete. These sports are not easy for anyone, and that is why very, very few athletes (even the greatest hustlers in history) have few seasons spectacularly exceeding the mean. If it were simply effort, we would not see the very ones we extol as examples of better effort regress in years we forget or don't pay as much attention to.

Now, I agree that "focus" obviously is different. Not paying attention to a coach's play-calling, making dumb fouls, not blocking out, passing to someone who isn't there.... All these are things we have seen every athlete do. I just think they are magnified when a guy who "makes it look easy" does them.

Sometimes a tiny bit of luck can play a big role in perception. If just a couple each game of Mahome's wild scrambles had resulted in fumbles, or his tipped passes in more interceptions, we would not be as happy. People would say he was trying too hard, and that he needed to focus better. When, not if, his performance regresses toward the mean this year or in the future, or when, not if, he isn't setting or tying records each game, I just hope people will attribute it to the usual trends of athletic performance and not think he has gotten complacent or stopped giving it his all.

Oct 25, 2018 03:34 PM #30

@mayjay AO isn't that far back; I watched him play in the 70's when I sat in the cheap outfield seats back when I was at KU. $5 for a seat then. That was a fun time for Royals fans. George Brett, et al.

Oct 25, 2018 03:40 PM #31

stoptheflop said:

@Kcmatt7 I watched Grimes compete in the FIBA tournament and was impressed with his size. The roster says 6'5", 210. He has broad shoulders and isn't afraid to defend bigger guys in the paint. He played bigger than a shooting guard in the FIBA tourney last summer.

Thought the same, he looks every bit of 6'5 on the court. He's physically ready to handle the battle's he'll be in

Oct 25, 2018 03:54 PM #32

@stoptheflop They got him in 1970, I think. Traded Joe Foy to the Mets. 48 years ago!!! 48 way-too-freaking-fast years ago! My entire post jr high life!

Almost a half-century. Just think, 48 years before that was 1922, 4 years after WWI. So, practically halfway back to WWI. WAY TOO MANY YEARS AGO!

Sorry...feeling my mortality today. But maybe I will have another 48. I'd only be 110. But at least then when I rant and rattle on people will just attribute it to being an old geezer.

Oct 25, 2018 03:56 PM #33

@mayjay Loved him.

Oct 25, 2018 04:51 PM #34

“You know what? I don’t know that it does matter. I’ll visit with my staff when I get back and we’ll evaluate practice today," Self said. "I think there’s a good chance Doke and Lagerald and Dedric will start. After that, I don’t know if we’ll go with some experience or throw the young kids out there. I wouldn’t be surprised if we go with two different starting lineups in the first two games just to see how they react, but don’t read into who starts.”

Oct 25, 2018 04:58 PM #35

@mayjay

This one is just for you...

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Oct 25, 2018 05:18 PM #36

FarmerJayhawk said:

Same. I’m tired of just talking legalese and rumors. I do post a lot on those just because it’s what I’ve done for a living, but I like actual basketball more. If I had to guess, I’d say the starters will be Dotson, Grimes, K.J., Dedric, and Doke. Though it would be zero surprise to see Vick starting at the 3. I’m like 90% sure Devon has shown the staff enough to claim the PG spot over Charlie. He’s probably better suited as a canned offense guy off the bench.

This comment is exactly how I feel too. I'll add that I hope Marcus Garrett plays a lot this season.

Oct 25, 2018 05:28 PM #37

@JayHawkFanToo One of the best scenes in history. KAJ pulled it off, and so did the kid.

So, you earned another LOL! I am appointing you Official Comic Scene Finder to underscore all the important points I make. And, you will be happy to know, this important job does not require an FBI background check or taking testimony from anyone you knew in HS!

Oct 25, 2018 05:54 PM #38

I've always watched the exhibition games on my appleTv with ESPN3 for FREE. Looks like its ESPN+ this time and it costs....UGH

Oct 25, 2018 06:21 PM #39

@BigBad 4.99 plus tax for a month! Some times there's a free trial period. I think you get the pre and post game action. I'm anxious to hear Vick speak🗣

Oct 25, 2018 06:24 PM #40

@Crimsonorblue22
Can my $5 go towards our recruits? :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Oct 25, 2018 06:28 PM #41

@BigBad I have cox and espn+. I also have fox sports to go. I get most Vb games, a few soccer and the first(?) fb game. I love the interviews in the post game segment.

Oct 25, 2018 07:52 PM #42

BigBad said:

I've always watched the exhibition games on my appleTv with ESPN3 for FREE. Looks like its ESPN+ this time and it costs....UGH

reddit.com/r/ncaabballstreams

:eyes:

Oct 25, 2018 07:53 PM #43

I'm actually paying for ESPN+, but if you don't want to, check that link a little before tip-off.

Oct 25, 2018 07:53 PM #44

Also it's on 38 the Spot tonight right?

Oct 25, 2018 07:54 PM #45

Kcmatt7 said:

Also it's on 38 the Spot tonight right?

Correct. But only people near KC can get that.

Oct 25, 2018 07:54 PM #46

@BShark Just wanted to throw it out there

Oct 25, 2018 08:32 PM #47

Or Cox 2022 or 22

Oct 25, 2018 09:51 PM #48

@BShark ya I'm paying for ESPN Plus too -- eh 4.95 a month no biggie lol

Oct 25, 2018 10:17 PM #49

I’m excited to see how good Dedric really is, Self doesn’t praise a guy like that often. “Best passer on the team”, “we simply have no one who can guard him”, etc.

Oct 25, 2018 11:41 PM #50

@Kcmatt7

Half an hour pre-game and one hour post-game as well....sweeeeeeet!!!

Oct 25, 2018 11:41 PM #51

Finally, the season is here. The quest for number 15 and a National Championship begins. Dotson gets the start at point.

Oct 25, 2018 11:42 PM #52

Former Jayhawk Nick Bahe who transferred to Creighton is doing the commentary/color.

Oct 25, 2018 11:44 PM #53

Dotson Grimes Vick Dedric Dok

Oct 25, 2018 11:51 PM #54

LETSSSS GOOOOOOOOOO

Oct 25, 2018 11:57 PM #55

Let's go Jayhawks.

Oct 26, 2018 12:03 AM #56

Not sure if Dedric could jump over a dollar bill. :thinking:

Oct 26, 2018 12:05 AM #57

Dok...

Oct 26, 2018 12:05 AM #58

Glad Self let Vick start at the 3.

Oct 26, 2018 12:05 AM #59

This ESPN app is sooo much better than the watchespn app.

Oct 26, 2018 12:06 AM #60

Yeah this is rough lol

Oct 26, 2018 12:07 AM #61

Lawson needs to stop trying to do everything.

Oct 26, 2018 12:07 AM #62

approxinfinity said:

Lawson needs to stop trying to do everything.

I don't think that's the issue rn

Oct 26, 2018 12:08 AM #63

I think so. both those last possessions were where he was the scorer not the facilitator. easy buckets.

Oct 26, 2018 12:10 AM #64

Grimes is an NBA PG

Oct 26, 2018 12:10 AM #65

Beautiful passing. Much better.

Oct 26, 2018 12:10 AM #66

We can absolutely run a lineup where nobody is shorter than 6'5. Grimes looks very comfortable on the ball.

Oct 26, 2018 12:11 AM #67

Kcmatt7 said:

We can absolutely run a lineup where nobody is shorter than 6'5. Grimes looks very comfortable on the ball.

He's a PG for sure.

Oct 26, 2018 12:11 AM #68

Dedric is going to be fun as hell to watch!

Oct 26, 2018 12:11 AM #69

Woodrow said:

Dedric is going to be fun as hell to watch!

If he could jump he'd be in the NBA right now LOL.

Oct 26, 2018 12:11 AM #70

Dedric already has like 10 points and 5 boards. Yeesh!

Oct 26, 2018 12:11 AM #71

@approxinfinity lol

Oct 26, 2018 12:12 AM #72

Dedric Lawson is a cheat code.

Also that pass by Grimes was very nice, and good to see Devon drive it.

Oct 26, 2018 12:12 AM #73

I like that our PG can be score first with a point forward.

Oct 26, 2018 12:12 AM #74

@BShark about that bet🤔

Oct 26, 2018 12:12 AM #75

Crappy ATT internet at my house. We're about to switch to something else. Needless to say, I can't watch. I'll just watch your comments!

Oct 26, 2018 12:13 AM #76

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@BShark about that bet🤔

What player was I arguing about? I lose track lol.

Oct 26, 2018 12:13 AM #77

I like that they already involved Dedric in the weave.

Oct 26, 2018 12:13 AM #78

@wissox get the espn app and pay 5 bucks a month... casting with that to my tv via chromecast. It's beautiful (i'm shocked), and the pregame coverage was excellent.

https://plus.espn.com/ ↗

Oct 26, 2018 12:14 AM #79

Garrett in.

Oct 26, 2018 12:14 AM #80

This usually looks rough, but so far, usually rougher than it has been imo.

Edit: By that I mean we look good.

Oct 26, 2018 12:14 AM #81

Doston is lightning in a friggen bottle!!

Oct 26, 2018 12:14 AM #82

Dotson is a blur with the ball. Maybe the fastest Self has had at KU.

Oct 26, 2018 12:15 AM #83

The lineup is Dotson, Grimes, Vick, Garret, and Dedric. Cool....

Oct 26, 2018 12:15 AM #84

Bill usually full court press in these games?

Oct 26, 2018 12:16 AM #85

Bill is already fooling around big time.

Oct 26, 2018 12:16 AM #86

@approxinfinity I'm tempted but we are going to change providers. ATT techs have been to our house about 10 times since July. It never ends.

Oct 26, 2018 12:16 AM #87

Big Dave is big. Name checks out.

Oct 26, 2018 12:17 AM #88

-2 points for Big Dave!

Oct 26, 2018 12:17 AM #89

Love that KJ is confident in chucking that. Big Dave still needs to work on Hip flexibility.

Oct 26, 2018 12:18 AM #90

You will never see this line-up in a real game. LOL

Oct 26, 2018 12:18 AM #91

Lots of shots missing long. Tends to happen when you're excited.

Oct 26, 2018 12:19 AM #92

Mitch will absolutely get minutes if he can hit that shot consistently.

Oct 26, 2018 12:19 AM #93

Mitch with the stroke!

Oct 26, 2018 12:19 AM #94

@Kcmatt7 ha, you're like 30 seconds ahead of me.

Oct 26, 2018 12:19 AM #95

Garretts form is butt

Oct 26, 2018 12:20 AM #96

MARCUS NOOOO

Oct 26, 2018 12:20 AM #97

Kcmatt7 said:

Garretts form is butt

Pretty okay with him never taking catch and shoot threes.

Oct 26, 2018 12:21 AM #98

Unfortunately, Garrett's jump shot is still ugly.

Oct 26, 2018 12:21 AM #99

@BShark If he can't hit that shot, he will struggle to see the floor EOY I think.

Oct 26, 2018 12:21 AM #100

I'm pleased with Moore's effort defensively.

Oct 26, 2018 12:22 AM #101

@Kcmatt7 We need to bring Drew Hanlen on staff for Doke and Marcus to fix those shooting forms.

Oct 26, 2018 12:23 AM #102

I think Moore is going to get more run than people think. Especially if he can knock down the three ball.

Oct 26, 2018 12:23 AM #103

Moore is the type of guy who should play in spurts. Hockey style. Give him 3 minutes at a time and tell him to go 110% that entire time.

Oct 26, 2018 12:24 AM #104

Kcmatt7 said:

@BShark If he can't hit that shot, he will struggle to see the floor EOY I think.

Counterpoint: Russ Rob, Tyshawn, FR Selden etc...

Oct 26, 2018 12:24 AM #105

@BShark was russ rob's form broken? I thought it was good. I mean he didn't shoot that much. but it was ok.

Oct 26, 2018 12:25 AM #106

I expected Moore to be able to knock down 3's. I was more concerned with him being a defensive liability. If he can be solid on defense he should get a lot of run.

Oct 26, 2018 12:25 AM #107

approxinfinity said:

@BShark was russ rob's form broken? I thought it was good.

Didn't go in a lot.

Oct 26, 2018 12:25 AM #108

Wow Garrett, go get it!

Oct 26, 2018 12:25 AM #109

Woodrow said:

I think Moore is going to get more run than people think. Especially if he can knock down the three ball.

I hope not. KU is in trouble if he is getting more than 12 or so mpg.

Oct 26, 2018 12:26 AM #110

@BShark Those guys could hit a wide open 3 lol. But if he can finish in the paint at a crazy efficient rate I'll take back my comment.

Oct 26, 2018 12:26 AM #111

If he can knock down free throws, I'm fine with him not shooting 3's.

Oct 26, 2018 12:27 AM #112

Lol Bill getting everyone in within the first 8 minutes.

Oct 26, 2018 12:27 AM #113

Charlie Moore just got put on skates by a D2 guy.

Oct 26, 2018 12:27 AM #114

Then Moore turns it over and gets beat on D 🤦🏻‍♂️

Oct 26, 2018 12:27 AM #115

@BShark wow you're right. RussRob was a .407 career college shooter. I totally had crimson and blue goggles on I guess! Loved me some RussRob.

Oct 26, 2018 12:28 AM #116

@Woodrow Spurts lol. Sparkplug type of guy. Don't get too high on him. He is only 5'8 (maybe)

Oct 26, 2018 12:28 AM #117

@approxinfinity But also a career 3pt shooter over .300

Oct 26, 2018 12:29 AM #118

GRIMES IS ALRIGHT

Oct 26, 2018 12:29 AM #119

@BShark VERY alright!

Oct 26, 2018 12:29 AM #120

Grimes looks good !!

Oct 26, 2018 12:30 AM #121

I can't wait to block the sh-- out of some 3 point shooters this year.

Oct 26, 2018 12:30 AM #122

approxinfinity said:

@BShark wow you're right. RussRob was a .407 career college shooter. I totally had crimson and blue goggles on I guess! Loved me some RussRob.

He defended like a warrior, one of my favorites too.

@Kcmatt7 We will see where Garrett ends up.

Oct 26, 2018 12:30 AM #123

Red.Rooster said:

Grimes looks good !!

Glad to see you are okay brother!

Oct 26, 2018 12:30 AM #124

@Red-Rooster DUDE! HEY!

Oct 26, 2018 12:31 AM #125

Not sure what to make of Dok struggling big time against ESU.

Oct 26, 2018 12:32 AM #126

Glad to be Back with you guys !!!

Oct 26, 2018 12:32 AM #127

wissox said:

Crappy ATT internet at my house. We're about to switch to something else. Needless to say, I can't watch. I'll just watch your comments!

I was only able to get 1.5 mins on a picture 1/4 the size of my phone scrreen. Quit!

Oct 26, 2018 12:33 AM #128

@wissox I think its a 7 day free trial on espn plus if that means anything.

Oct 26, 2018 12:33 AM #129

@Red-Rooster DUDE! GOOD TO HEAR FROM YOU!

Oct 26, 2018 12:34 AM #130

BShark said:

Not sure what to make of Dok struggling big time against ESU.

Wouldn't worry about it yet.

Oct 26, 2018 12:35 AM #131

With all the line-up tinkering it can be hard to get a flow, but you can see where this team might struggle offensively from time to time. Lots of line-ups in this game you will never see in a real game though so yeah.

Oct 26, 2018 12:35 AM #132

@Red.Rooster Hell yeah! Over or under on a 4 loss team this year?

Oct 26, 2018 12:36 AM #133

Also worth noting, Vick and Dok are used to 4 out 1 in, this is quite a different style so they have to adjust. Growing pains.

Oct 26, 2018 12:36 AM #134

I wish I could get the midwest ads for all my tv viewing. They're calm, no flashing images or annoying as hell songs.

Oct 26, 2018 12:38 AM #135

It almost feels like Lawson needs another big like him to play with, someone mobile that can pop out when Lawson goes inside. Do you guys think Doke and Lawson can play together?

Oct 26, 2018 12:39 AM #136

We got guys who can pass. This O gets going by B12 play.

Oct 26, 2018 12:39 AM #137

Im definitely gushing over Grimes already.

Oct 26, 2018 12:40 AM #138

Grimes body control evident.

Oct 26, 2018 12:41 AM #139

Steroids are a helluva drug. Yeesh Hudy. (They said she told her players they werent tough enough in the weight room, so she demo'd bench press, ripped her shoulder muscle, and kept going>

Oct 26, 2018 12:42 AM #140

I expected better post scoring, but perhaps Bill has changed to a more modern offensive identity. No player appears to be scared to shoot the 3 besides Doke.

Oct 26, 2018 12:42 AM #141

approxinfinity said:

It almost feels like Lawson needs another big like him to play with, someone mobile that can pop out when Lawson goes inside. Do you guys think Doke and Lawson can play together?

Lawson + Lawson is probably our best post pairing.

Oct 26, 2018 12:44 AM #142

approxinfinity said:

It almost feels like Lawson needs another big like him to play with, someone mobile that can pop out when Lawson goes inside. Do you guys think Doke and Lawson can play together?

Just wait.

We have a ton of spacing issues right now with the guards and ESU is packing in the post and doubling hard (what else can they do to even TRY to win?). The spacing issues are leaving us with almost no outlet across the court. You've seen Dedric and Doke both throw a pass cross court expecting someone there.

Oct 26, 2018 12:45 AM #143

Dedric has like 14 and 12 in 9 minutes. Lol.

Oct 26, 2018 12:45 AM #144

@BShark I would like to see more of the Lawsons together to see what that looks like. Right now, it feels like Dedric is demanding the ball and clogging up the lane on O. The talent is evident, and the alpha dog greediness could actually be refreshing, as long as the other big can work with it.

Oct 26, 2018 12:45 AM #145

Grimes played PF in HS for a year. That post up will be a real weapon.

Oct 26, 2018 12:46 AM #146

Chuck has some range.

Oct 26, 2018 12:47 AM #147

CHOLLIE MOOOOO

Oct 26, 2018 12:47 AM #148

Welcome back @Red-Rooster !

Oct 26, 2018 12:47 AM #149

Grimes has great vision, too bad Dave couldn't finish.

Oct 26, 2018 12:48 AM #150

Big Dave ain't seeing the floor this year.

Oct 26, 2018 12:48 AM #151

I really want Marcus to develop a jumpshot. No reason not to work on his form through the season. We don't need his scoring.

Oct 26, 2018 12:49 AM #152

Charlie is automatic from 3.

Oct 26, 2018 12:50 AM #153

Geez, Charlie. So many new players to like this year.

Oct 26, 2018 12:50 AM #154

Kcmatt7 said:

Charlie is automatic from 3.

Helps being wide open. BUT, that may happen a lot this year as opponents pack the paint.

Oct 26, 2018 12:50 AM #155

@approxinfinity Garrett's 1/2 from 3, but shoots the ball sideways, instead of shoulders square to the rim. Weird.

Oct 26, 2018 12:51 AM #156

Kcmatt7 said:

Big Dave ain't seeing the floor this year.

Definitely not that ready yet. Going to see a lot of KJ at the 4 imo.

Oct 26, 2018 12:52 AM #157

The key with a guy like Grimes is that he's willing to impact the game in ways other than scoring. That will help him be an even better player because he doesn't have to score, which will help the team since there is so much offensive talent on this team already.

Moore has been excellent in this game. I have zero criticisms.

Dedric Lawson makes basketball look really easy. He's as good as advertised.

Oct 26, 2018 12:52 AM #158

My notes from the 1st half: We are long. Grimes is good. Dedric is good. Dotson is fast.

Oct 26, 2018 12:52 AM #159

Charlie showing why he was Illinois Mr Basketball.

Oct 26, 2018 12:53 AM #160

Self nailed it, all the player shuffling kinda killed the rhythm.

Oct 26, 2018 12:55 AM #161

justanotherfan said:

Moore has been excellent in this game. I have zero criticisms.

Dedric Lawson makes basketball look really easy. He's as good as advertised.

I am pleasantly surprised with Moore, but I want to see him against MSU.

Dedric definitely showed up. He is incredible.

Oct 26, 2018 12:55 AM #162

I am factoring in the opponents when I say this. Grimes looks like a Top 5 NBA PG pick. I need to see him hit the 3, but he looks like the most polished OAD we've had so far.

Oct 26, 2018 12:55 AM #163

KJ is 0-fer on threes right? None of them looked great either from what I remember.

Oct 26, 2018 12:56 AM #164

@BShark Yea they weren't great, but the confidence with which he took them gave me confidence that he can probably hit them.

Oct 26, 2018 12:57 AM #165

Kcmatt7 said:

@BShark Yea they weren't great, but the confidence with which he took them gave me confidence that he can probably hit them.

I hope so. He was 31% at Memphis though.

Oct 26, 2018 12:58 AM #166

@BShark Maybe Self can pair the bigs together. If you had to split the bigs into 2 primary pairs, what would be the best 2 pairs? The perimeter I think can be more fluid.

Oct 26, 2018 12:58 AM #167

@BShark He would absolutely get yanked out of a real game for the last one he took. I expect shot selection to improve and see him around 36%

Oct 26, 2018 12:59 AM #168

approxinfinity said:

@BShark Maybe Self can pair the bigs together. If you had to split the bigs into 2 primary pairs, what would be the best 2 pairs? The perimeter I think can be more fluid.

I'd play the Lawsons together a lot. Then put Mitch with Doke. But in general I'd try to get the Lawsons as many minutes as possible.

Oct 26, 2018 01:01 AM #169

KU was 6/16 from 3, 38%

Oct 26, 2018 01:01 AM #170

BShark said:

approxinfinity said:

@BShark Maybe Self can pair the bigs together. If you had to split the bigs into 2 primary pairs, what would be the best 2 pairs? The perimeter I think can be more fluid.

I'd play the Lawsons together a lot. Then put Mitch with Doke. But in general I'd try to get the Lawsons as many minutes as possible.

I'm good with that. Mitch hitting 3's is critical for that to work, I think.

Oct 26, 2018 01:02 AM #171

stoptheflop said:

KU was 6/16 from 3, 38%

Basically only Charlie was hitting them haha. If that keeps up, he's gotta get more tick than I was hoping for.

Oct 26, 2018 01:03 AM #172

approxinfinity said:

BShark said:

approxinfinity said:

@BShark Maybe Self can pair the bigs together. If you had to split the bigs into 2 primary pairs, what would be the best 2 pairs? The perimeter I think can be more fluid.

I'd play the Lawsons together a lot. Then put Mitch with Doke. But in general I'd try to get the Lawsons as many minutes as possible.

I'm good with that. Mitch hitting 3's is critical for that to work, I think.

Agree. I'd mostly want to have a Lawson out there. Like...out of the 80 post minutes something like KJ 25+, Dedric 25+, Doke 20, Mitch 10 or less.

Seems like KJ might play all over the court though, as needed.

Oct 26, 2018 01:05 AM #173

Only 16 first half points in the paint. ????

Oct 26, 2018 01:05 AM #174

Loved the defensive effort.

Oct 26, 2018 01:06 AM #175

Vick and Doke felt like ghosts this first half. Weird having the team being REALLY really good, and the upperclassmen looking like the guys struggling hardest to fit into the new identity.

Oct 26, 2018 01:07 AM #176

Btw, Bahe is doing a pretty good job on color commentary! Like, way better than the guys we have had in the past for this games.

Oct 26, 2018 01:10 AM #177

Little weave to high low...

Oct 26, 2018 01:10 AM #178

WOOF

Oct 26, 2018 01:11 AM #179

Lawson's old man game is going to settle us down in times of trouble I think..

Oct 26, 2018 01:16 AM #180

Doke jumps too early on rebounds.

Oct 26, 2018 01:17 AM #181

<3 Garrett

Oct 26, 2018 01:18 AM #182

Kansas needs to play defense simply because Dotson in the open-court is devastating.

Oct 26, 2018 01:18 AM #183

Emporia State's keeping it interesting. Their post double team is working and will give us something to improve on the next two weeks.

Oct 26, 2018 01:19 AM #184

SHOOT THE 3 GRIMES

Oct 26, 2018 01:20 AM #185

Kcmatt7 said:

SHOOT THE 3 GRIMES

You absolutely have to let it fly there. WIDE OPEN.

Oct 26, 2018 01:22 AM #186

OMG DOKE

Oct 26, 2018 01:23 AM #187

BShark said:

OMG DOKE

I just heard Chris Berman in my head that whole time lol.

STUMBLIN BUMBLIN RUMBLIN

Oct 26, 2018 01:23 AM #188

Yeesh. Rough night for Azubuike.

Oct 26, 2018 01:24 AM #189

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Yeesh. Rough night for Azubuike.

We need Silvio badly.

Oct 26, 2018 01:25 AM #190

Doke with the stare-down on an ESU player that's half his size. lol

Oct 26, 2018 01:26 AM #191

@KirkIsMyHinrich Dok's frustrated, but I bet they work on the post double team this week.

Oct 26, 2018 01:27 AM #192

@BShark I'm starting to see what Vecenie was talking about. Of Doke and Silvio, objectively speaking, I'd take Silvio, but they ARE redundant.

Oct 26, 2018 01:29 AM #193

approxinfinity said:

@BShark I'm starting to see what Vecenie was talking about. Of Doke and Silvio, objectively speaking, I'd take Silvio, but they ARE redundant.

Yeah, this roster has 3 guys that have to play C w/ Silvio.

Oct 26, 2018 01:30 AM #194

This half has been garbage.

Oct 26, 2018 01:30 AM #195

:wastebasket: :wastebasket: :wastebasket: :wastebasket: :wastebasket: :wastebasket: :wastebasket: :wastebasket:

Oct 26, 2018 01:31 AM #196

ESU getting wide open 3s

Oct 26, 2018 01:34 AM #197

Good pass, Dedric.

Oct 26, 2018 01:34 AM #198

Dedric makes everything work. 30 mpg imo.

Oct 26, 2018 01:35 AM #199

BShark said:

Dedric makes everything work. 30 mpg imo.

NBA really whiffed on him. Could have gotten him for a bargain. Now they'll have to take him early in the 1st.

Oct 26, 2018 01:35 AM #200

I've really liked Dotson tonight.

Oct 26, 2018 01:35 AM #201

Dotson is a dude. He'd be a double digit scorer easy on a team not so stacked.

Oct 26, 2018 01:36 AM #202

It's w/e but ESU basically gets to murder Doke and Dave inside lol. Tends to happen when the other team is undersized.

Oct 26, 2018 01:36 AM #203

I'm really liking Dotson's play. Dotson to Dedric on the fast break for a layup should be a regular thing this year.

Oct 26, 2018 01:37 AM #204

The good news is that most of the turnovers are self-inflicted and KU can clean that up. I was expecting some sloppiness with so many new players playing together.

Oct 26, 2018 01:37 AM #205

I do think we need to slow the pace on O a bit. I know that playing an inferior team usually speeds you up, but this team can't run and gun this same way all season, imo.

Oct 26, 2018 01:38 AM #206

Anybody know what the 3P% is right now?

Oct 26, 2018 01:39 AM #207

SOFT call.

Oct 26, 2018 01:40 AM #208

Vick still can't create his own shot.

Oct 26, 2018 01:40 AM #209

I think you were right about Grimes playing down to or up to the level of competition though.

Oct 26, 2018 01:41 AM #210

Might not break 80 against Emporia yikes.

Oct 26, 2018 01:42 AM #211

23 turnovers

Oct 26, 2018 01:43 AM #212

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

I think you were right about Grimes playing down to or up to the level of competition though.

He definitely doesn't feel comfortable on the perimeter or off the ball. He's used to being ball dominant and in the lane. It'll take a bit for him to adjust I think.

Oct 26, 2018 01:43 AM #213

ESU was winning the 2nd half for a second there...

Oct 26, 2018 01:45 AM #214

I can't wait to not watch the new Rocky movie.

Oct 26, 2018 01:45 AM #215

KU 30 Emporia St 29 in the 2nd half. Yikes is right

Oct 26, 2018 01:46 AM #216

@KirkIsMyHinrich Not a Michael B Jordan fan?

Oct 26, 2018 01:46 AM #217

@approxinfinity No he's fine. Just looks kind of dumb.

Oct 26, 2018 01:46 AM #218

Lawson is the real deal, isn't he?

Oct 26, 2018 01:47 AM #219

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

@approxinfinity No he's fine. Just looks kind of dumb.

I didn't like the first one.

Oct 26, 2018 01:47 AM #220

KUSTEVE said:

Lawson is the real deal, isn't he?

Thank goodness, because the rest of this team...

Oct 26, 2018 01:48 AM #221

There you go, Grimes.

Oct 26, 2018 01:48 AM #222

Charlie and the Lawson bros have a connection. When Charlie is in, they both need to be in as well.

Oct 26, 2018 01:49 AM #223

Wow. Nice transition!

Oct 26, 2018 01:49 AM #224

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

There you go, Grimes.

Bang!

Great to see that go in. He needs to shoot with confidence and he will be fine.

Oct 26, 2018 01:49 AM #225

Why stop at Mr.?

I'm going to start calling him Dr. Lawson.

Oct 26, 2018 01:49 AM #226

BShark said:

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

There you go, Grimes.

Bang!

Great to see that go in. He needs to shoot with confidence and he will be fine.

His stroke looks real, real nice. Like form-wise, nothing I see wrong.

Oct 26, 2018 01:50 AM #227

Kcmatt7 said:

BShark said:

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

There you go, Grimes.

Bang!

Great to see that go in. He needs to shoot with confidence and he will be fine.

His stroke looks real, real nice. Like form-wise, nothing I see wrong.

Agree. I want him shooting it when open. He was scared to do so earlier and drove into a clogged lane instead.

Oct 26, 2018 01:51 AM #228

Hey we broke 80.

Oct 26, 2018 01:52 AM #229

Strangely, I'm no longer worried about the point guard play. Dotson and Moore have been great. But, what's up with the front court? Except for Dedric, the front court didn't show up.

Oct 26, 2018 01:52 AM #230

@Kcmatt7 That break was started by a great pass from KJ. Those Lawsons can really pass...

Oct 26, 2018 01:52 AM #231

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Hey we broke 80.

IT TOOK AWHILE

Oct 26, 2018 01:52 AM #232

2nd half observations: We can rebound. Dedric is still good. Grimes is still good. Dotson is a solid PG. A lot of coachable things we can improve upon.

Overall, a good 1st day imo.

Oct 26, 2018 01:53 AM #233

stoptheflop said:

Strangely, I'm no longer worried about the point guard play. Dotson and Moore have been great. But, what's up with the front court? Except for Dedric, the front court didn't show up.

Moore has shot good, but overall this game I think he has been below average as a PG. Like, entry passes and initiating the offense have not been really good for him. I'd prefer Garrett in that role even.

Oct 26, 2018 01:53 AM #234

Agbaji looks good to me.

Oct 26, 2018 01:53 AM #235

@stoptheflop KJ and Garrett can play the 4. Agreed, Doke and Mccormack were not good, and Vick shouldnt have ever played the 4 in the first place, but did not look good at the 3.

Oct 26, 2018 01:54 AM #236

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Agbaji looks good to me.

Ochai can shoot it a bit

Oct 26, 2018 01:54 AM #237

I jumped the gun on my observations. Ochai looks like he could be a dude. I hope he redshirts.

Oct 26, 2018 01:54 AM #238

Agbaji!

Oct 26, 2018 01:54 AM #239

We sure we want Agbaji to redshirt?

Oct 26, 2018 01:54 AM #240

1 and 0

Oct 26, 2018 01:55 AM #241

approxinfinity said:

We sure we want Agbaji to redshirt?

No that dude a talent

Oct 26, 2018 01:55 AM #242

Alright so the only thing I was really disappointed in tonight was Doke. He looked bad. He needs to be better.

The turnovers and the slow 2nd-half are typical things with young/new teams.

Oct 26, 2018 01:55 AM #243

Red.Rooster said:

1 and 0

So talkative tonight.

Also, I only had like 3 upvotes. So clearly a warmup game for you as well :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Oct 26, 2018 01:56 AM #244

approxinfinity said:

We sure we want Agbaji to redshirt?

Yes, actually. He can shoot and is athletic but he looked lost in other regards. If he isn't going to get many minutes this year and is willing, the year off just studying the game could really help him improve.

Oct 26, 2018 01:56 AM #245

@Kcmatt7 lol, don't be greedy.

Oct 26, 2018 01:56 AM #246

31 points (11-16) and 15 boards for Dr. Lawson. What a beast.

Oct 26, 2018 01:57 AM #247

What's the score?

Oct 26, 2018 01:57 AM #248

@wissox 93-55 final.

Oct 26, 2018 01:57 AM #249

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Alright so the only thing I was really disappointed in tonight was Doke. He looked bad. He needs to be better.

The turnovers and the slow 2nd-half are typical things with young/new teams.

  1. If spacing is better, I think he has more outlets to pass out of a double-team.
  2. He won't be double teamed as much.

I wouldn't be worried yet. He did look rough tonight though. I do think he may end up getting a degree here though... I don't think the NBA would touch him still.

Oct 26, 2018 01:58 AM #250

@approxinfinity That was my thought. That kid is miraculous from 3.

Oct 26, 2018 01:58 AM #251

@Red.Rooster The rooster!!!!! Welcome back, buddy....

Oct 26, 2018 02:00 AM #252

I'm digging the pre-game and post-game from ESPN+.

Oct 26, 2018 02:00 AM #253

@wissox Lawson 31 points...15 rebounds...

Oct 26, 2018 02:00 AM #254

These kids staring at the camera are cracking me up.

Oct 26, 2018 02:00 AM #255

Also, Doke will do better when we aren't running up and down the court like this. And you can bet that we won't be able to do that all season long. Add in that we basically didn't run an offense tonight.

Doke is not an NBA guy (yet). He is not meant for an out of structure type of play (yet).

Oct 26, 2018 02:01 AM #256

KUSTEVE said:

@wissox Lawson 31 points...15 rebounds...

Meh.

Oct 26, 2018 02:01 AM #257

KUSTEVE said:

@wissox Lawson 31 points...15 rebounds...

IS HE GOOD? !alt text ↗

Oct 26, 2018 02:01 AM #258

@KirkIsMyHinrich It was pretty good. I liked that Bahe color guy. I wish they would spend a few bucks, and lose the headsets for gueldner and his partner.

Oct 26, 2018 02:02 AM #259

KUSTEVE said:

@KirkIsMyHinrich It was pretty good. I liked that Bahe color guy. I wish they would spend a few bucks, and lose the headsets for gueldner and his partner.

Said it earlier in the thread and the bar is low, but Bahe is probably the best color guy we have had for these JTV games.

Oct 26, 2018 02:02 AM #260

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

@wissox 93-55 final.

Did we have 93 or 55?

Oct 26, 2018 02:03 AM #261

Is there a box score anywhere? @BShark You were logging stats, right?

Oct 26, 2018 02:04 AM #262

The way garrett plays, he'll get a lot of minutes. He is just nails in every way except the 3 pointer. His drive to the basket was a work of art.

Oct 26, 2018 02:07 AM #263

Gonna be weird having a low post Wooden Winner after a Guard Winner and a Guard Runner Up.

Oct 26, 2018 02:08 AM #264

I really like the ESU coach. His interview has been fantastic!

Oct 26, 2018 02:09 AM #265

Craig Doty. A name to keep in the back of your mind. Charismatic 33 year old. I'll try to remind myself to keep up with ESU this year.

Oct 26, 2018 02:10 AM #266

@KirkIsMyHinrich !alt text ↗

Oct 26, 2018 02:11 AM #267

@Kcmatt7 I like him too. I thought he had a good game-plan doubling the post and the defensive rotations were good. They made some tough shots. They were just out-classed in terms of personnel. I agree, good coach.

Oct 26, 2018 02:11 AM #268

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

@Kcmatt7 I like him too. I thought he had a good game-plan doubling the post and the defensive rotations were good. They made some tough shots. They were just out-classed in terms of personnel. I agree, good coach.

They played with the future national champions for most of the 2nd half. No shame in how they played tonight.

Oct 26, 2018 02:12 AM #269

Craig Doty's a well-spoken coach. I'm interested to see how his team does this year.

Oct 26, 2018 02:12 AM #270

Really like this Emporia State coach's interview. He's smooth, optimistic, complimentary with specific details. Sharp.

Oct 26, 2018 02:13 AM #271

@BShark Thanks for posting this.

I am surprised Dotson only had 3 assists. I am also surprised we shot 40% from 3. That's encouraging.

Oct 26, 2018 02:13 AM #272

Self stealing Ochai last minute was such an underrated move. Dude finds gems.

Oct 26, 2018 02:14 AM #273

Oh ha. I just repeated you @Kcmatt7

Oct 26, 2018 02:14 AM #274

approxinfinity said:

Oh ha. I just repeated you @Kcmatt7

I think that it really just speaks to how charasmatic he seemed lol. Three of us made a point to say something...

Oct 26, 2018 02:15 AM #275

@KirkIsMyHinrich @approxinfinity Yeah, Doty did the best he could with the players he had tbh.

@Kcmatt7 Kid was about to commit to Wisconsin, KU got in there just in time. !alt text ↗

Oct 26, 2018 02:18 AM #276

I think they just showed a graphic of the Jayhawks box score lines. 10 guys on it, and Doke wasnt one of them. ouch.

Oct 26, 2018 02:18 AM #277

15 of the 22 turnovers were from Dedric, Doke, Dave, and Mitch. Need to be stronger in the post and better passing out of it. Especially Doke.

Oct 26, 2018 02:18 AM #278

ACCURATE

Oct 26, 2018 02:19 AM #279

Well let's be honest we - - On to the next game. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY won, pretty easily but get Emporia St credit they kept trying especially in the 2nd half. combination of things they played more relaxed and our defensive intensity fell off for sure.

Observations: -- Doke just looked really , really bad - - - I think 7 boards - -not sure how many to's h had-- -still looks soo mechanical . like he is thinking way to much he is going to do. - -McCormack had a rough opener , - - -Vick looked really passive, - - But the worst of all ? - - - -WAY , WAY , to many turnovers , this part for having that many turnovers is inexcusable. -- yet having played to say from great - - still win by 38 so ya - -lots of time for improvement and it was the 1st game - -for sure a lot of things to work on.

Now for some positive: Let's just get this out here right off the bat - -sure it was Emporia State but still - - -- D Lawson IS for real , let's make no mistake about that. Sure he isn't going to do this every time out but dam he mad it looks so smooth 31 - & 15 not a bad debut. -- - - -Dotson just played a very solid game - - he going to be fine. - - - Garett had a good game on the boards like 8-9 I think -- - - - Charlie hit some nice shots made a couple of nice passes - -Grimes was ok - -not terrific but ok.

I think I'm just to spoiled nit picking but I know there was others that probably have some of the same thoughts - it's ok 1st game - Again probably the biggest letdown for me was WAY to many TO's lots of work to do. -- Every thing considered I don't think Coach Self gonna really be that happy with tonight's performance.-- -Not sure if I would be looking forward to tomorrow practice. - -Time for the next game - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Oct 26, 2018 02:20 AM #280

@approxinfinity HE got 2 points -came on a dunk -- Damm

Oct 26, 2018 02:20 AM #281

Good Night ALL !!!

Oct 26, 2018 02:20 AM #282

BShark said:

ACCURATE

He has to be laughing at everyone else right now.

Oct 26, 2018 02:21 AM #283

@Red.Rooster Night bud!

Oct 26, 2018 02:22 AM #284

I think we may be overdue for a new tshirt. I really enjoy our little community. You forget how great it can be until basketball gets back in swing lol. I'll work on a design soon.

Oct 26, 2018 02:23 AM #285

Question guys. Do you think Doke deferred to Dedric tonight? - - -not even really that many shot attempts - he just really struggled.- - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Oct 26, 2018 02:24 AM #286

@Kcmatt7 Sweet!

Oct 26, 2018 02:25 AM #287

jayballer73 said:

Question guys. Do you think Doke deferred to Dedric tonight? - -

Not really. I think he got double teamed a lot and hacked by ESU's small guys and didn't respond well to it.

Oct 26, 2018 02:25 AM #288

@jayballer73 Definitely. I don't think Doke knows how to play with Dedric. And I would say Dedric doesn't know how to play with Doke... but that's not as important because we NEED Dedric on the floor.

Oct 26, 2018 02:26 AM #289

Well maybe deferred isn't the word I'd pick. But he looked lost trying to play with Dedric.

Oct 26, 2018 02:27 AM #290

approxinfinity said:

Well maybe deferred isn't the right word. But he looked lost trying to play with Dedric.

Yep. He's only ever played 4 out 1 in under Self.

Oct 26, 2018 02:28 AM #291

approxinfinity said:

@jayballer73 Definitely. I don't think Doke knows how to play with Dedric. And I would say Dedric doesn't know how to play with Doke... but that's not as important because we NEED Dedric on the floor.

Actually we need them both for sure. - Doke gonna need to play - -we can't have Dedric to carry us all the time like he did tonight , it's ok Doke will be ok. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Oct 26, 2018 02:28 AM #292

Also Vick was pretty off tonight with his shot. Other than that I thought he played alright.

Oct 26, 2018 02:28 AM #293

Ochai is really well spoken. Going to be a fan favorite

Oct 26, 2018 02:29 AM #294

BShark said:

Also Vick was pretty off tonight with his shot. Other than that I thought he played alright.

He will fill his role. Solid D. 3 point threat. Doesn't take many stupid shots. Type of guy all good teams need.

Oct 26, 2018 02:29 AM #295

Spartan blood will be spilled.

Oct 26, 2018 02:29 AM #296

I'm going to sound really negative here but...

As great as Lawson looked today this was massively inferior talent. He has an old man game via below the basket with a methodical pace. He will do well in certain match ups but I foresee some serious issues when he goes up against length and speed.

Overall team speed is not great. Maybe I'm used to last years team that was so damn fast and they knew where they were going which made them even faster. Tonight we looked slow.

As for all the depth I firmly beleive this team goes as far as Grimes and Dotson take it. Scary to be that dependent on two freshman guards.

Marcus' shot looks about the same.
Vick's decision making looks about the same.
KJ looks really soft. The kind of soft Self hates. I'd be shocked if he sees much time.

Oct 26, 2018 02:30 AM #297

BShark said:

Also Vick was pretty off tonight with his shot. Other than that I thought he played alright.
To me - - Vick looked pretty passive - -another one of those dis engaged type of nights again. - Then to that is suppose to be more or less the leaders - -the Senior and the JR - really had bad nights

Oct 26, 2018 02:32 AM #298

Self saying Dotson, Grimes and Garrett have separated themselves from the other guards and that Garrett has made a case to start.

Oct 26, 2018 02:33 AM #299

BigBad said:

I'm going to sound really negative here but...

As great as Lawson looked today this was massively inferior talent. He has an old man game via below the basket with a methodical pace. He will do well in certain match ups but I foresee some serious issues when he goes up against length and speed.

He was amazingly efficient at Memphis. Add in an improved 3 point shot, strength and vertical and I don't see issues. He is as long as most 7 footers. I don't know that length will bother him that much. I don't expect 30 points, but I do expect 15.

Overall team speed is not great. Maybe I'm used to last years team that was so damn fast and they knew where they were going which made them even faster. Tonight we looked slow.

I think we will see some vintage Bill Self pace to make up for this.

As for all the depth I firmly beleive this team goes as far as Grimes and Dotson take it. Scary to be that dependent on two freshman guards.

We will find out a lot against MSU. Can't say you are wrong to think this.

Marcus' shot looks about the same.

Agreed

Vick's decision making looks about the same.

Agreed

KJ looks really soft. The kind of soft Self hates. I'd be shocked if he sees much time.

Disagree. Guy is a Pitt Bull and a rebounder. Not a star. But provides very important versatility.

Oct 26, 2018 02:35 AM #300

BigBad said:

I'm going to sound really negative here but...

As great as Lawson looked today this was massively inferior talent. He has an old man game via below the basket with a methodical pace. He will do well in certain match ups but I foresee some serious issues when he goes up against length and speed.

It did feel that way at the beginning of the game when he was getting stuffed. Then he played off the ball and got two easy buckets. There will be times where other guys will have to step up to keep him from getting double-teamed. I think they will.

Overall team speed is not great. Maybe I'm used to last years team that was so damn fast and they knew where they were going which made them even faster. Tonight we looked slow.

I thought Dotson looked like the fastest player we've had that I can remember. You really thought last year's team could get out in transition better than this one will? I didn't think we got that much off of transition last year. And this is a bunch of new players with a very high ceiling.

As for all the depth I firmly beleive this team goes as far as Grimes and Dotson take it. Scary to be that dependent on two freshman guards.

Those two looked good for their first game. Both have great body control and solid handles.

Marcus' shot looks about the same.
Vick's decision making looks about the same.

Agree. Agree.

KJ looks really soft. The kind of soft Self hates. I'd be shocked if he sees much time.

I don't know. He did look soft. But he also played within the flow. I think he gets minutes.

Oct 26, 2018 02:35 AM #301

@Kcmatt7 I agree 100%. Dedric is really long and had much success at Memphis. I don't agree with the comment that he will struggle in certain matchups.

Folks have to remember that every year we look sloppy to start and EVERY YEAR we steadily improve and get better. Last year was a great example of this. Its hard to take too much away from one game, especially the very first game.

Oct 26, 2018 02:37 AM #302

@approxinfinity Yep, we did not run much last year. Not sure the source of this comment.

Oct 26, 2018 02:37 AM #303

Dedric Lawson on Bill Self's postgame feedback: "He didn't praise me at all. He said it was the ugliest 31 (points) he's ever seen. And I agree with him."

Oct 26, 2018 02:38 AM #304

Self says any future decision to redshirt Ochai Agbaji will be a decision made between the coaching staff, player and family. "My personal opinion is he's too good to play five minutes a game."

Oct 26, 2018 02:41 AM #305

approxinfinity said:

You really thought last year's team could get out in transition better than this one will?

I'm hoping this one will play much faster than last years. I think its just really really early. You could see the nerves with some guys.

It will be fun to watch this team evolve.

Oct 26, 2018 02:45 AM #306

I had to cut off the Self interview early. Anything else interesting?

Oct 26, 2018 02:45 AM #307

BigBad said:

approxinfinity said:

You really thought last year's team could get out in transition better than this one will?

I'm hoping this one will play much faster than last years. I think its just really really early. You could see the nerves with some guys.

It will be fun to watch this team evolve.

Agree. Once Self pushes buttons and gets rotations set this team will be so much better. They need to learn how to play together. Lots of room for growth.

Oct 26, 2018 02:47 AM #308

approxinfinity said:

I had to cut off the Self interview early. Anything else interesting?

Not particularly. He is worried about MSU of course.

Oct 26, 2018 02:52 AM #309

BShark said:

Self saying Dotson, Grimes and Garrett have separated themselves from the other guards and that Garrett has made a case to start.

I want to like this comment more than one time. Post it again.

Oct 26, 2018 02:54 AM #310

@KirkIsMyHinrich Self saying Dotson, Grimes and Garrett have separated themselves from the other guards and that Garrett has made a case to start.

;)

Oct 26, 2018 02:54 AM #311

Thanks chief.

Oct 26, 2018 03:05 AM #312

Pretty sloppy as expected, getting the right rotation and guys playing together could take several games maybe even most of the non conference portion of the schedule. Dedric could be a very good player in time, he reminds me of George Niang. Doesn’t have a ton of athleticism but plays smart, Sherron was giving him Jazz about not dunking it, Hoiberg always claimed you couldn’t get Niang to clear a sheet of paper in vertical jump. Dedric maybe in that same boat but he definitely will be a stud. Doke had arguably his worse game in a KU Jersey, panicky in the double team and wasn’t aggressive enough by a lot. I was very unimpressed with guard play, I thought Moore and Garrett easily out performed Dotson and Grimes. Which isn’t all that surprising, they are freshman and we are used to good guard play with Frank, DG the last few seasons. Its actually surprising we scored 93 with how poorly we shot the ball in the first half and a whopping 22 turnovers. I still have the same concerns as before, teams will pack the paint with a zone to prevent Doke and Dedric from scoring easy and make our guards prove they can hit from the outside. We could definitely struggle to score against teams that play solid defense like KSU. Good to have plenty to work on, let’s see what we can do better next week.

Oct 26, 2018 03:08 AM #313

Considering how sloppy it was with all the turnovers 38 points is a solid victory margin even considering Ochai padded at the end. Over the last several seasons KU has won by less than 20 in one of the exhibitions. Plus who could forget 62-50 over Washburn in the 12-13 season.

It really speaks to the talent level of this team, imo. Just think of how good they will be when they learn how to play together and Self plays a tight, coherent rotation. :D

Oct 26, 2018 03:11 AM #314

@kjayhawks Dedric's jumper isn't some broke ass weak shit like Niang!!!!

Joking about Niang's form aside, that's actually a decent comp. I think Dedric is better but SR Niang was extremely productive.

I felt Dotson was much better than Moore overall. Moore just canned some threes. Dotson did a lot of nice things. No turnovers, got to the line.

Agree with your concerns about the team.

Oct 26, 2018 03:20 AM #315

@BShark You definitely don’t wanna put too much stock in these games, once you build a lead you know you will win.

Oct 26, 2018 03:22 AM #316

@BShark Dotson did have some nice drives, Grimes has a lotta work to due if he’s a OAD. I know it’s the first game but we have seen some pretty good guards in both KU and opponents jerseys not get drafted.

Oct 26, 2018 11:35 AM #317

I thought it was pretty interesting in the second half that Coach Doty and the Hornets almost caught us napping when they attempted a backdoor lob pass. It was open, but the pass hit the rim. Pretty amusing that Emporia State tried to use our favorite play against us. I really like Coach Doty and I'll try to follow the Hornets a bit this year.

Oct 26, 2018 11:38 AM #318

@kjayhawks It's all about getting comfortable. I think we'll see a lot of Grimes, Dotson, Marcus, and Charlie, and they'll get better and better. No way is Grimes ready for the NBA right now, but he will grow into a huge role with this team, and we'll see where that takes him by the end of the year. Dotson is a perfect point guard for this team, imo. Controlled, steady, quick as a cat, plays excellent defense. No doubt Garrett will get heavy minutes, and he deserves every one of them. As much as I like Charlie, he is a real liability on defense. Guards just blow by him. Emporia St guards. Doke played poorly, but I think with some coaching on double teams, he will rebound nicely. Dedric is a bad ass, plain and simple.

Oct 26, 2018 12:18 PM #319

@kjayhawks @KUSTEVE It's kind of funny the different lens that we as KU fans view these players. Now see I'd agree with you guys, based on production he might not add up to being a OAD. Lots of basketball guys were gushing on Grimes last night and talking about him flashing some plays and that is why he will be OAD and drafted highly. Never forget NBA drafts on potential. If they like his game and think he can be a PG at 6'5'', he gone.

Oct 26, 2018 12:30 PM #320

Well if last night was any indication what's to come, Lawson will average 20+ a game

Oct 26, 2018 12:45 PM #321

@BeddieKU23 Regarding Dedric's 31 pts. Dedric said Coach Self called it the ugliest 31 points he's ever seen scored. Later, in Coach Self's interview, Self didn't admit to the comment and attributed it to Dedric himself. But, Coach Self agreed with the comment and said Dedric was often off balance and out of position. My guess is Coach is telling Dedric he should be doing more and playing better.

Oct 26, 2018 12:49 PM #322

stoptheflop said:

@BeddieKU23 Regarding Dedric's 31 pts. Dedric said Coach Self called it the ugliest 31 points he's ever seen scored. Later, in Coach Self's interview, Self didn't admit to the comment and attributed it to Dedric himself. But, Coach Self agreed with the comment and said Dedric was often off balance and out of position. My guess is Coach is telling Dedric he should be doing more and playing better.

Push your best player to be better, Self's good at this stuff.

He got 31 in 23 minutes and it looked pretty easy. He's a heck of an offensive talent

Oct 26, 2018 01:21 PM #323

The team needs confidence. I'm not sure we'll be firing on all cylinders by the Sparty game, but at some point in the season, this will be a great team. We have all the elements in place.

Oct 26, 2018 01:26 PM #324

Well, hooray! I tried watching the ESPN+ replay today and it worked full screen. Last night, it only came through on the little window where you scroll thru the shows available. Clicking on it gave a several minute long rotating "loading" circle. (Too many tuned in?)

Today, clear and crisp. So, watching the beginning of the game and the analyses/interviews at the end was really helpful. So, I guess I keep it through the regular season games at least.

Oct 26, 2018 02:14 PM #325

The game last night looked like a typical starting point. I'd actually be scared if the team was clicking on all cylinders right now. Self, I'm sure will love the tape on this game to push buttons and push what he wants with this group.

The talent though looks as good as advertised. I can't wait to see how they respond on the big stage right off the bat. Izzo will have his bunch ready.

Oct 26, 2018 02:57 PM #326

@BeddieKU23 +1000. Like I said last night, we go through the same thing every year. Play like crap to start the year, then really get rolling once conference play starts. This team will be fine, just needs some time to gel and learn how to play together.

Oct 26, 2018 03:09 PM #327

@mayjay Do you have a Roku?

Oct 26, 2018 03:28 PM #328

Highlights

Oct 26, 2018 03:30 PM #329

HawkChamp said:

@BeddieKU23 +1000. Like I said last night, we go through the same thing every year. Play like crap to start the year, then really get rolling once conference play starts. This team will be fine, just needs some time to gel and learn how to play together.

This group will definitely be a work in progress but I was hoping we'd see flashes of the talent out there and we did. It's a big, athletic team and I can't wait to see what they morph into as it gets going

Oct 26, 2018 04:14 PM #330

@mayjay

It is more likely to be a slow Internet connection. Are you on wireless/wi-fi or wired? If you are on wi-fi try using the 5G frequency instead of the 2.4G. Here is a good write up ↗ on the subject.
if you are on wi-fi and your rate is not good because of distance from router or interference, try a am Internet power line adapter that moves the signal over power lines and you will see a considerably higher transmission rate. I use a power line adapter to connect a repeater (second router) to the main router and works great.

Oct 26, 2018 05:13 PM #331

Quote from Self - “We didn’t run anything and we won’t on Thursday, just to try to save some crutches maybe for the early games,” Self said.

Oct 26, 2018 06:43 PM #332

@KUSTEVE No, I have Spectrum. I could use my Samsung Smart TV to watch games but I do it on my phone ytobavoid interspousal annoyance. Sometimes my phone is just fine, but it is possible the app wasn't activated properly until after it was closed down last night.

My brother had one and has now signed up for cable. I looked into it but almost egerything we watch, except Amazon Prime, is on network or main cable. Looked at Netfix but their shows haven't interested me.

Oct 26, 2018 06:47 PM #333

@JayHawkFanToo Signal is fine. I am on 5G with my phone. Only 10 feet from antenna. I am pretty sure it was my phone (Samsung S5) because I was able to stream other apps just fine. I should have just rebooted it because it gets quirky sometimes. But thanks for the suggestion!

Oct 26, 2018 08:38 PM #334

mayjay said:

@JayHawkFanToo Signal is fine. I am on 5G with my phone. Only 10 feet from antenna. I am pretty sure it was my phone (Samsung S5) because I was able to stream other apps just fine. I should have just rebooted it because it gets quirky sometimes. But thanks for the suggestion!

Phones can definitely have issues loading particular sites. I still have a pretty old phone (like 5 years, lol) so I run into a lot of issues there.

Oct 26, 2018 09:57 PM #335

@mayjay

You can sit next to the router and still have crappy transmission rates, it depends on how your router and phones are configured or how much bandwidth the ISP is actually delivering.

You can go to www.speedtest.net and run a test and you will have actual numbers for download and upload even whe I believe the test gives you inflated numbers. Your Samsung S5 has a utility that does the same things and actually is pretty good.

One time I was uploading gigs of data to my Amazon Cloud and I noticed very slow rates, I run the test and showed 7 Mbps where it should have been 100 Mbps. I called Consolidated and after checking I was told that my entire neighborhood had been slow due to defective equipment and nobody had complained. Another time I was told my account had been accidentally downgraded to the lowest speed and the idiot tech. kept telling me that it was the correct speed; it took a supervisor to admit his tech was a moron and I was correct. Often enough people don’t know how fast their connection should be and pay for a lot more than they actually get

Oct 26, 2018 10:38 PM #336

@BShark I know you'll disagree with me on this, but this is who I think Dedric resembles more than Niang: No doubt KD is a better 3 point shooter, but the resemblance is very similar.

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Oct 26, 2018 10:45 PM #337

@mayjay The benefit of the ROKU is you get the full screen on your tv. I was really impressed with the quality of the picture as well. I had canceled ESPN + until I found out the two exhibition games were only available through them, so i relented.

Oct 26, 2018 11:14 PM #338

@JayHawkFanToo I test my speeds periodically because I noticed about 24 months ago that they slowed to a crawl every evening. They oddly stopped slowing down since a particular IT guy neighbor moved away 23 months ago!

Oct 27, 2018 01:18 AM #339

@KUSTEVE You are right I do disagree with that. I don't think he is nearly the athlete Durant is. Plus Dedric is bulkier.

Oct 27, 2018 01:50 AM #340

Shorter and worse-shooting Dirk Nowitzki. They both have the old-man game. They both can't jump over a phone book. They both fill the heck out of the stat sheet.

Oct 27, 2018 10:56 AM #341

@BShark No doubt Durant is more athletic...quicker step...better shot. But Dedric is KD in slow motion. Same inside out game, same drives the basket, and Dedric is probably a better rebounder.

Oct 27, 2018 11:23 AM #342

@KirkIsMyHinrich That's a good comparison, too.

Oct 28, 2018 01:17 PM #343

Man, Doty can coach. Was looking into him a bit more. After his 4 year stint at Rock Valley (not great first year but then 3 straight 30+ win seasons, 2 titles and a title game loss) he moved on to Graceland U (in Iowa) where in his 2nd year they won the NAIA title, their first ever appearance in that tournament in the history of their school.

Hell of a hire by ESU. Not sure they will be able to keep him.

Oct 28, 2018 03:10 PM #344

It was interesting to think that our best 3 pt shooters could be all of our big men. Dotson and Grimes driving and dishing to the Lawsons and Mitch. I think Charlie needs to settle into a role, Dotson was clearly better in my opinion. Moore- focus on open 3's and the sometimes drive and dish.

Oct 28, 2018 03:11 PM #345

Also Big Dave could use some flexibility training.

Oct 28, 2018 03:22 PM #346

@JayhawksandChill The word from teammates during summer pickup games was that Charlie Moore was deadly from 3. I wonder if we'll see Coach Self play Dotson at point with Grimes and Moore on the floor. Charlie would take on the role that Svi had of spot up 3 pt. shooter.

Oct 28, 2018 03:24 PM #347

JayhawksandChill said:

It was interesting to think that our best 3 pt shooters could be all of our big men. Dotson and Grimes driving and dishing to the Lawsons and Mitch. I think Charlie needs to settle into a role, Dotson was clearly better in my opinion. Moore- focus on open 3's and the sometimes drive and dish.

I think Grimes will be good from deep, he just needs to let them fly. Vick will be fine to, just an off night.

Agree with you on the pg spot. Devon is clearly the guy.

RE Dave I think his biggest issue is that his adrenaline was at 11. Hopefully he is more settled down and flashes some of his game against Washburn.

Oct 28, 2018 03:26 PM #348

stoptheflop said:

@JayhawksandChill The word from teammates during summer pickup games was that Charlie Moore was deadly from 3. I wonder if we'll see Coach Self play Dotson at point with Grimes and Moore on the floor. Charlie would take on the role that Svi had of spot up 3 pt. shooter.

The issue is hiding Charlie defensively. Kid definitely has range.

Oct 28, 2018 04:52 PM #349

I think the guy that clearly looked the worst was Doke. Watched the game again ... he seemed completely out of sync the entire night. Almost like he needed to be a bit more deliberate. The amount of panic he showed when doubled was surprising, because in the past, he's handled that ok. But that can be a point of emphasis now in practice. Still, the guy I'm most excited about is Vick. He'll be our best three point shooter, I think, by both percentage and volume. Trusting that coming back in the manner he did has him laser focused.

Odd, but I just noticed that Carlton Bragg is at New Mexico. I guess I missed that.

Oct 28, 2018 05:37 PM #350

@HighEliteMajor Yeah, he transferred twice. Hoping for him that he has his head on right. Has the talent to play pro ball somewhere (not really NBA).

Oct 28, 2018 07:46 PM #351

@HighEliteMajor Did you watch Self's comments about Dok's free throws (he missed both)? He likened it to golf. Said Dok has been doing great in practice, made 19 0f 20 on Wednesday I think. Self says it is like the difference between hitting your shots on a range compared to having to hit it over water. The pressure makes a huge difference. But he says he expects Dok will hit 65% as he gets more comfortable.

Oct 28, 2018 07:53 PM #352

@mayjay I'm gonna have to see it to believe it. I did hear that, said he needs to see first one go in. That 2nd one 'bout stuck in the side.🙄

Oct 28, 2018 08:03 PM #353

@Crimsonorblue22 Yes, I am sure there was so much spin in his comments that the official keepers of Earth time will need to add a full second to the day.