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Knocking Off 'Nova
Dec 15, 2018 02:25 PM #1

It's just a few hours until game time and I'm wondering if Vick has behaved himself this week and will get back to playing. In the Penn loss on Tuesday, Villanova shot 50% (24/48) and was only 35% from 3 (9/26). Only guards Gillespie 3/4 and Booth 4/11 did any scoring from 3. Oh yeah, let's not foul Gillespie, he hit 10/11 on FTs.

I know all the focus is on Paschall, but Gillespie deserves attention too. Limit one of them and we should do well.

Also, get ready for an in-game infomecial on Villi's NBA players from last year. ESPN is very annoying with all its graphics, photos, etc. during games. I really just want to see the game, please.

Dec 15, 2018 02:49 PM #2

@stoptheflop We're favored by 7 1/2. I hope Vegas is right on this one.

Dec 15, 2018 03:23 PM #3

Headed that way!

Dec 15, 2018 03:30 PM #4

@Crimsonorblue22 Drive like Hell!!!

Dec 15, 2018 03:32 PM #5

@dylans 10 mins away

Dec 15, 2018 03:46 PM #6

Finals are over, so most students have left Lawrence for home. I sure hope those attending are going to make it rough on the Wildcats and the officials. Come on Bill, please start Vick.

Dec 15, 2018 04:55 PM #7

Vick is starting today. Hopefully, he gets back to his scoring from 3.

Dec 15, 2018 05:00 PM #8

Nice start!

Dec 15, 2018 05:00 PM #9

Devon

Dec 15, 2018 05:01 PM #10

Guarding out high

Dec 15, 2018 05:02 PM #11

I think we need to beat these guys 150-90

Dec 15, 2018 05:03 PM #12

Refs take a frickin lap

Dec 15, 2018 05:04 PM #13

So much for the good start after that joke of a foul

Dec 15, 2018 05:04 PM #14

Cant make a layup

Dec 15, 2018 05:04 PM #15

Was that not a call for the outside ref?

Dec 15, 2018 05:05 PM #16

Grimes should have taken that to the rim himself...

Dec 15, 2018 05:05 PM #17

Typical immature play

Dec 15, 2018 05:06 PM #18

We don't need an east coast whistle to appear in this game.

Dec 15, 2018 05:07 PM #19

@wissox

We do a good job making it easy for them

Dec 15, 2018 05:07 PM #20

Wow, Allen Fieldhouse is rocking.

Dec 15, 2018 05:07 PM #21

@wissox too late

Dec 15, 2018 05:08 PM #22

@kjayhawks 2-0 foul count is a little too early to tell!

Dec 15, 2018 05:08 PM #23

BeddieKU23 said:

Cant make a layup

Have to finish a look that good. Great pass from Grimes too...

Dec 15, 2018 05:08 PM #24

@stoptheflop

Never gets old

Dec 15, 2018 05:09 PM #25

Two fouls on Dotson within 10 seconds of game time..

Dec 15, 2018 05:10 PM #26

Announcers don't seem to notice Dotson just got his 2nd foul.

Dec 15, 2018 05:10 PM #27

Sad

Dec 15, 2018 05:10 PM #28

WOOF

Dec 15, 2018 05:11 PM #29

Not gonna beat Nova with Chuck.

Dec 15, 2018 05:11 PM #30

That's maybe the worst call in the history of college basketball.

Dec 15, 2018 05:11 PM #31

We are the dumbest defensive team ever

Dec 15, 2018 05:11 PM #32

Nova sucks defensively because they aren't athletic but KU doesn't have the players to exploit it.

Dec 15, 2018 05:11 PM #33

6 fouls in 5 minutes. Just giving them the game

Dec 15, 2018 05:11 PM #34

What was the last call?

Dec 15, 2018 05:12 PM #35

That's maybe the 2nd worst call in the history of basketball.

Dec 15, 2018 05:12 PM #36

East coast whistle?

Dec 15, 2018 05:12 PM #37

Self is Jay Wright's beeyotch.

Dec 15, 2018 05:12 PM #38

@BShark Shutup

Dec 15, 2018 05:13 PM #39

Nice play

Dec 15, 2018 05:13 PM #40

No.

Dec 15, 2018 05:13 PM #41

You're making this thread almost unbearable to read.

Dec 15, 2018 05:13 PM #42

Then don't.

Dec 15, 2018 05:13 PM #43

Playing against 8 today fellas

Dec 15, 2018 05:13 PM #44

Let's take it down a notch, please....

Dec 15, 2018 05:14 PM #45

If we play better the refs wont be a factor

Dec 15, 2018 05:14 PM #46

I didn't violate the rules by using profanity

Dec 15, 2018 05:14 PM #47

Great to see dedric make one

Dec 15, 2018 05:15 PM #48

Did we get our mojo back?

Dec 15, 2018 05:15 PM #49

Sad that was a foul

Dec 15, 2018 05:15 PM #50

BeddieKU23 said:

Great to see dedric make one

Yep. It's a game changer if he gets that to 35%+

Dec 15, 2018 05:16 PM #51

Refs are whistle happy.

Dec 15, 2018 05:16 PM #52

Great play by dedric just wish he had that xtra unph to get that in

Dec 15, 2018 05:17 PM #53

Hating the refs

Dec 15, 2018 05:17 PM #54

Sorry to everyone for telling someone to shut up.

Dec 15, 2018 05:17 PM #55

We are so sped up on offense must be the nerves. But I see a alot of confusion with guys out there

Dec 15, 2018 05:18 PM #56

Let the the make up calls begin, why they cant just call it right to start lol

Dec 15, 2018 05:18 PM #57

wissox said:

Sorry to everyone for telling someone to shut up.

No need.

Dec 15, 2018 05:18 PM #58

Another dogfight for our slow first half, down to the wire Jayhawks. Villanova came to play today. They don't look anything like they did against cross-town rival Penn.

Dec 15, 2018 05:18 PM #59

everyone clam down lol

Dec 15, 2018 05:18 PM #60

BeddieKU23 said:

We are so sped up on offense must be the nerves. But I see a alot of confusion with guys out there

Yeah, huge game so players are a bit nervous. You know Self really wants this one.

Dec 15, 2018 05:19 PM #61

I think our nerves are on edge how the last two games against this team have gone. One the refs screwed devonte and the next they made nba jams look like a comedy

Dec 15, 2018 05:19 PM #62

stoptheflop said:

Another dogfight for our slow first half, down to the wire Jayhawks. Villanova came to play today. They don't look anything like they did against cross-town rival Penn.

They did almost come back and beat Penn. You are right though, and it's no surprise they are jacked up for this particular game.

Dec 15, 2018 05:20 PM #63

ESPN sucks really

Dec 15, 2018 05:22 PM #64

Garrett is a really good defender

Dec 15, 2018 05:22 PM #65

BeddieKU23 said:

Garrett is a really good defender

Best perimeter defender for KU by a mile.

Dec 15, 2018 05:23 PM #66

Whew boy, Chucky. Poor Dotson on the bench due to foul trouble.

Dec 15, 2018 05:24 PM #67

Gotta finish that Vick. Vick still isn't really a playmaker but I do appreciate that effort.

Dec 15, 2018 05:24 PM #68

@BShark

He got so high but had no touch.

Dec 15, 2018 05:24 PM #69

Nova in a severe drought, but KU can't take advantage to get a big lead. Still, better to be ahead...

Dec 15, 2018 05:24 PM #70

Is this a Villinova home game, ESPN?

Dec 15, 2018 05:25 PM #71

Dotson's two fouls are really going to hurt our first half offense.

Dec 15, 2018 05:25 PM #72

@BeddieKU23 Definitely seems that way - guys are getting the ball out of their hands - bad passes

Dec 15, 2018 05:25 PM #73

Go Tech

Dec 15, 2018 05:25 PM #74

Good d

Dec 15, 2018 05:25 PM #75

Getting tired of bilas breaking down old plays instead showing current replays

Dec 15, 2018 05:26 PM #76

What a joke call

Dec 15, 2018 05:27 PM #77

Seriously what is a player supposed to do

Dec 15, 2018 05:27 PM #78

Grimes is so disappointing

Dec 15, 2018 05:27 PM #79

Vickkkkkk

Dec 15, 2018 05:27 PM #80

Not sure that's a charge tbh.

Dec 15, 2018 05:27 PM #81

Grimes will come around . Right?

Dec 15, 2018 05:27 PM #82

Woodrow said:

Grimes is so disappointing

Refs have it out for him

Dec 15, 2018 05:27 PM #83

Starting Vick makes a big difference.

Dec 15, 2018 05:27 PM #84

DanR said:

Grimes will come around . Right?

Next year maybe...

Dec 15, 2018 05:28 PM #85

BShark said:

Not sure that's a charge tbh.

It's not hes already in the air and you see him trying to avoid a player that just slides up under him.

Dec 15, 2018 05:29 PM #86

stoptheflop said:

Starting Vick makes a big difference.

Catch and shoot. It's the role we need

Dec 15, 2018 05:29 PM #87

Refs are whistle biased

Dec 15, 2018 05:29 PM #88

We've got to use our screens better. Most of our fouls today are on screens and charges. Too damn many offensive fouls.

Dec 15, 2018 05:29 PM #89

stoptheflop said:

We've got to use our screens better. Most of our fouls today are on screens and charges. Too damn many offensive fouls.

Doke would have 3 by now too

Dec 15, 2018 05:29 PM #90

BeddieKU23 said:

BShark said:

Not sure that's a charge tbh.

It's not hes already in the air and you see him trying to avoid a player that just slides up under him.

Exactly but the refs are calling it like this for some reason.

Dec 15, 2018 05:30 PM #91

Only 3 jayhawks have scored. We've got to get the other guys going.

Dec 15, 2018 05:31 PM #92

@BShark asks for it

Dec 15, 2018 05:31 PM #93

Has Booth ever attempted a three w/o kicking out his legs to hope for a foul?

Dec 15, 2018 05:31 PM #94

@stoptheflop I think 5 of our 8 fouls were offensive...

Dec 15, 2018 05:32 PM #95

Not a huge fan of KU's offensive gameplan today.

Dec 15, 2018 05:33 PM #96

DOn't like that quick three by Lawson.

Dec 15, 2018 05:33 PM #97

I think we need some lightfoot

Dec 15, 2018 05:33 PM #98

Sure have a hi dribble, I want to rip that sucker

Dec 15, 2018 05:33 PM #99

DanR said:

I think we need some lightfoot

Eh...

Dec 15, 2018 05:33 PM #100

Almost every foul against us has taken away a possession from us. 6 of 9 now.

Dec 15, 2018 05:34 PM #101

I called it

Dec 15, 2018 05:34 PM #102

DanR said:

I think we need some lightfoot

Nice call coach!

Dec 15, 2018 05:34 PM #103

Mitch + Chuck line-up. Nervous.

Dec 15, 2018 05:34 PM #104

I mean what on earth is this line-up? I don't like it one bit.

Dec 15, 2018 05:35 PM #105

At least Charlie is out

Dec 15, 2018 05:35 PM #106

@BShark Trying to steal some minutes...

Dec 15, 2018 05:35 PM #107

Awesome D by Mitch

Dec 15, 2018 05:36 PM #108

DCHawker said:

@BShark Trying to steal some minutes...

Definitely feels like stealing.

Dec 15, 2018 05:36 PM #109

Now he's back
Or was he always in

Dec 15, 2018 05:36 PM #110

Beautiful to see Jay upset.

Dec 15, 2018 05:36 PM #111

Smile once in a while vick

Dec 15, 2018 05:37 PM #112

Attababe Vick.

Dec 15, 2018 05:38 PM #113

Unforced errors

Dec 15, 2018 05:38 PM #114

Kj wow. Sit

Dec 15, 2018 05:38 PM #115

Bilas is right - we are keeping Vill in the game as a result of too many bad TOs...

Dec 15, 2018 05:39 PM #116

HOLY SHIT. KJ WYD????!

Dec 15, 2018 05:39 PM #117

@DCHawker

8 already. Ugh

Dec 15, 2018 05:39 PM #118

BeddieKU23 said:

Kj wow. Sit

I can't even...

Letting Nova back in it.

Dec 15, 2018 05:39 PM #119

That was going to be ugly fast break. I'm glad it got poked out

Dec 15, 2018 05:40 PM #120

@DCHawker He read my mind, I was about to post that when I looked at the box score and realized Nova has made only 6 shots this whole game. We've made 8 by the way which I guess proves his point.

Dec 15, 2018 05:40 PM #121

The offense doesn't look near as good without Dotson on the floor.

Dec 15, 2018 05:41 PM #122

@wissox Best defensive effort so far this year, but playing really sloppy and tight on offense.

Dec 15, 2018 05:41 PM #123

Nova is only shooting 30%. We should have a bigger lead.

Dec 15, 2018 05:41 PM #124

@kjayhawks

That speed he has is a game changer

Dec 15, 2018 05:42 PM #125

BeddieKU23 said:

@kjayhawks

That speed he has is a game changer

Need Dotson back in there bad. Nova is pretty slow defensively too. This KU team is definitely going to have some brick games.

Dec 15, 2018 05:43 PM #126

Zone d?

Dec 15, 2018 05:44 PM #127

DanR said:

Zone d?

I'd zone this KU team. Esp with this Nova team that doesn't have great athletes.

Dec 15, 2018 05:44 PM #128

Trying to come up with something positive to say about Garrett's offense. The only thing I can come up with...I really like his defense.

Dec 15, 2018 05:45 PM #129

Can’t stop him

Dec 15, 2018 05:45 PM #130

Layup drill for dedric

Dec 15, 2018 05:46 PM #131

Rebounds keeping Nova in it.

Dec 15, 2018 05:46 PM #132

Mitch is wearing cement sneakers

Dec 15, 2018 05:46 PM #133

10-5 foul count.

Dec 15, 2018 05:47 PM #134

Lawsons both seem to have slow feet on defense

Dec 15, 2018 05:47 PM #135

We are the best at blowing leads

Dec 15, 2018 05:47 PM #136

So Moore and Dotson 2 fouls each, let's play Dotson.

Dec 15, 2018 05:48 PM #137

Was that a set play to get Marcus a 3 ball shot???

Dec 15, 2018 05:48 PM #138

Game complete changed

Dec 15, 2018 05:48 PM #139

BeddieKU23 said:

We are the best at blowing leads

Garrett shooting a 3 is basically a turnover.

Dec 15, 2018 05:48 PM #140

Great plan, drive to the basket and pass to Garrett in the corner. Notice to Jayhawks: Garrett isn't a shooter. Stop passing to him.

Dec 15, 2018 05:49 PM #141

BShark said:

So Moore and Dotson 2 fouls each, let's play Dotson.

Nah, we're a second-half team. Our effort comes late in the game. Let's save the good guy for then.

Dec 15, 2018 05:49 PM #142

What heck happened to our defense? Had every chance to be up 10 plus, wake up.

Dec 15, 2018 05:49 PM #143

Gotta love a set play for a turnover

Dec 15, 2018 05:49 PM #144

Sad. Sad and more sad

Dec 15, 2018 05:49 PM #145

Mitch sucks tbh.

Dec 15, 2018 05:50 PM #146

Charlie Moore on defense is hilarious.

Dec 15, 2018 05:50 PM #147

We're a 2nd half team.

Dec 15, 2018 05:50 PM #148

BShark said:

Mitch sucks tbh.

Bullshit he was knocked out while in air.

Dec 15, 2018 05:51 PM #149

Well, we have a half time lead for a change...

Dec 15, 2018 05:51 PM #150

@Bwag That's what I saw too. Another no call benefiting that other team.

Dec 15, 2018 05:52 PM #151

Well, we're ahead at half. That's unusual.

Dec 15, 2018 05:52 PM #152

Last 2 minutes were some of the worst defensive I've seen in over 40 years.

Dec 15, 2018 05:53 PM #153

Many of our players have a slow first step when attacked off the dribble.

Dec 15, 2018 05:53 PM #154

Dotson getting in foul trouble cost us. Gillespie rained down all over Charlie.

Dec 15, 2018 05:53 PM #155

Ok half considering foul situation and about 5 stupid turnovers

Dec 15, 2018 05:54 PM #156

Some pretty suspicious foul calls and non-calls. I agree that Mitch was fouled when he went up for that oop.

Dec 15, 2018 05:56 PM #157

Bwag said:

Many of our players have a slow first step when attacked off the dribble.

Agree.

Dedric, KJ, Mitch, Grimes all super slow. Moore is just too small mostly.

Dec 15, 2018 05:58 PM #158

Charlie and KJ did nothing but take up minutes that half. They combined for 3 rebounds, 2 points and 3 TOs in probably 25 minutes.

Dec 15, 2018 06:01 PM #159

Why do we insist on playing with our food?

Dec 15, 2018 06:02 PM #160

Mitch was fouled right in front of me

Dec 15, 2018 06:03 PM #161

Jay Wright wants this win, badly. He's coaching his tail off.

Dec 15, 2018 06:07 PM #162

kjayhawks said:

Charlie and KJ did nothing but take up minutes that half. They combined for 3 rebounds, 2 points and 3 TOs in probably 25 minutes.

Want to get really concerned? Both are in line for more minutes next year due to recruiting whiffs.

Dec 15, 2018 06:08 PM #163

Paschall with a stiff arm

Dec 15, 2018 06:09 PM #164

Not a fan of Garrett's offense...

Dec 15, 2018 06:10 PM #165

Wow - Grimes completely out of it...

Dec 15, 2018 06:10 PM #166

Garrett is killing us on offense. Losing possession after possession. But, I like his D.

Dec 15, 2018 06:10 PM #167

Grimes is LOST.

Dec 15, 2018 06:11 PM #168

Missed about
ten layups

Dec 15, 2018 06:11 PM #169

Can Marcus like stop shooting 3s.

Dec 15, 2018 06:12 PM #170

UGH. Here comes Nova.

Dec 15, 2018 06:12 PM #171

Come on grimes. Flip the switch

Dec 15, 2018 06:12 PM #172

Game. Blouses.

Dec 15, 2018 06:13 PM #173

Jayhawks play the 2nd half the same every single game.

Dec 15, 2018 06:13 PM #174

About as bad a response out the half as you could imagibe

Dec 15, 2018 06:14 PM #175

KU drives gets hacked no call. Nova player fades away and FOUL.

Dec 15, 2018 06:14 PM #176

Great play by dedric. Hes special at times

Dec 15, 2018 06:15 PM #177

Dedric is quicker than he acts 90 percent of the time

Dec 15, 2018 06:15 PM #178

Grimes - 0-2 from the field, 0 RBs, 2 TOs, 3 fouls

Dec 15, 2018 06:15 PM #179

@DCHawker need to get a chair for him to sit in on offense

Dec 15, 2018 06:15 PM #180

@DCHawker More productive than Quinerly

Dec 15, 2018 06:15 PM #181

If we had 5 guys with the offensive skill of dedric that's one heck of a team.

Dec 15, 2018 06:16 PM #182

DCHawker said:

Grimes - 0-2 from the field, 0 RBs, 2 TOs, 3 fouls

Remarkable how KU has been gutting out wins with Grimes basically being a non-factor.

Dec 15, 2018 06:16 PM #183

That was a spin move by Lawson

Dec 15, 2018 06:16 PM #184

@DCHawker

Great stat line. Hes lost in his own head

Dec 15, 2018 06:16 PM #185

Vick has gone to sleep on offense. Thank goodness Dedric is playing this half. Come on Vick

Dec 15, 2018 06:17 PM #186

Eric-san said:

Can Marcus like stop shooting 3s.

Hey, Garrett has been working hard on his 3-point shot, and you can tell by his improved percentage over last year – from 27% to 29%.

Dec 15, 2018 06:17 PM #187

Grimes is Novas MVP thus far

Dec 15, 2018 06:17 PM #188

@stoptheflop We need at least one of our guys to step up with Dedric...

Dec 15, 2018 06:17 PM #189

Steaming the game- Commercials come in perfectly. The game buffers every trip down the court.

Dec 15, 2018 06:17 PM #190

@dylans Priorities.

Dec 15, 2018 06:18 PM #191

Grimes no feel

Dec 15, 2018 06:18 PM #192

Vick with a play

Dec 15, 2018 06:18 PM #193

Lawson and Vick have 32 of our 41 points...

Dec 15, 2018 06:19 PM #194

Grimes killing us

Dec 15, 2018 06:20 PM #195

Marcus great on d

Dec 15, 2018 06:20 PM #196

@Crimsonorblue22 Passing to his own team is not a strength of his (Grimes).

Dec 15, 2018 06:20 PM #197

Okay that was a great play by Booth.

Dec 15, 2018 06:20 PM #198

Travel?

Dec 15, 2018 06:20 PM #199

@Crimsonorblue22 The look on is his face at the FT line.....

Dec 15, 2018 06:20 PM #200

Great hustle

Dec 15, 2018 06:23 PM #201

Watching Dedric on offense is so fun. Not so much on D. hah

Dec 15, 2018 06:23 PM #202

Damn, KJ. Tough foul to take there but the right call. Just can't do it.

Dec 15, 2018 06:24 PM #203

We cant rebound anything

Dec 15, 2018 06:25 PM #204

What a game: KU vs. the refs and the Wildcats. RCJH

Dec 15, 2018 06:25 PM #205

Bilas is right, the only offense Nova really has is offensive rebounding.

Dec 15, 2018 06:26 PM #206

@BeddieKU23 Understandable with not much height, no bulk and very little in the way of hops...

Dec 15, 2018 06:26 PM #207

DCHawker said:

@BeddieKU23 Understandable with not much height, no bulk and very little in the way of hops...

Indeed. We thought this team was loaded inside but then Silvio is being held out, Doke gets hurt and Dave is in cryoice.

Dec 15, 2018 06:27 PM #208

Dedric is so calm and unflappable. You'd think this was just a pickup game in the park. I love this guy.

Dec 15, 2018 06:28 PM #209

We actually have more defensive AND offensive rebounds right now - just seems like they've hit a 3 off of every one of their ORBs...

Dec 15, 2018 06:28 PM #210

Foul are now 12-12

Dec 15, 2018 06:29 PM #211

Charlie just isnt good

Dec 15, 2018 06:29 PM #212

Crap foul there for sure

Dec 15, 2018 06:29 PM #213

Villy is nearly 40% from 3

Dec 15, 2018 06:29 PM #214

Zero effort by Charlie on that play

Dec 15, 2018 06:29 PM #215

Chuck ain't it chief.

Dec 15, 2018 06:30 PM #216

In the bonus with 10 to go.m

Dec 15, 2018 06:30 PM #217

Keep grinding guys

Dec 15, 2018 06:30 PM #218

Chuck didn’t touch him on replay

Dec 15, 2018 06:31 PM #219

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Chuck didn’t touch him on replay

Been a couple calls like that...

Dec 15, 2018 06:33 PM #220

Typical lack of effort

Dec 15, 2018 06:33 PM #221

Dedric got hacked twice. Guards need to be driving on every possession now

Dec 15, 2018 06:33 PM #222

Great D my ass Jay.

Dec 15, 2018 06:34 PM #223

Rebounds have Nova ahead now...

Dec 15, 2018 06:34 PM #224

Cant go this next possession with out points game is trending the wrong way

Dec 15, 2018 06:34 PM #225

We are gonna screw around and lose. Move the ball, rebound and this is a 15 point game. In the elite eight they killed us on the offensive glass and it's the only reason it's a contest today.

Dec 15, 2018 06:35 PM #226

@kjayhawks yep. They have at least 9 points ( three - 3’s) off offensive rebounds.

Dec 15, 2018 06:36 PM #227

@kjayhawks Plus our turnovers. Give them another shot.

Dec 15, 2018 06:37 PM #228

Dedric and Vick now have 44. The rest of the team has 10.

Dec 15, 2018 06:37 PM #229

Good job Garrett third missed layup thougj

Dec 15, 2018 06:38 PM #230

44 of 54 points now from Lawson and Vick...

Dec 15, 2018 06:38 PM #231

First five were for sons so that's pretty bad

Dec 15, 2018 06:39 PM #232

Dotsons

Dec 15, 2018 06:39 PM #233

@7:57 left, KU has 3 guys on the floor with a total of 7 points. The other 2 have 44. I see the problem....

Dec 15, 2018 06:39 PM #234

Garrett habitually misses the first

Dec 15, 2018 06:39 PM #235

DanR said:

Good job Garrett third missed layup thougj

At least he got fouled and gets to shoot free throws. Because that always works out well.

Dec 15, 2018 06:40 PM #236

Stay calm guys. We haven't deployed the phog yet

Dec 15, 2018 06:40 PM #237

@DanR Voice of reason.

Dec 15, 2018 06:40 PM #238

kjayhawks said:

We are gonna screw around and lose. Move the ball, rebound and this is a 15 point game. In the elite eight they killed us on the offensive glass and it's the only reason it's a contest today.

To be fair KU was crap at rebounding last year with the 4 out 1 in. Just don't have the special athletes to rebound well out of it.

And you are right this team is still pretty lost offensively. Give the ball to Dedric or Vick and hope for a bail out seems to be the gameplan.

Dec 15, 2018 06:41 PM #239

BeddieKU23 said:

Garrett habitually misses the first

Lol

Dec 15, 2018 06:41 PM #240

We're missing dokes one rebound per game

Dec 15, 2018 06:41 PM #241

Gorilla72 said:

@7:57 left, KU has 3 guys on the floor with a total of 7 points. The other 2 have 44. I see the problem....

Garrett can't score and Grimes is lost. It's a real problem. Not sure how Grimes is a first round pick.

Dec 15, 2018 06:42 PM #242

BeddieKU23 said:

BeddieKU23 said:

Garrett habitually misses the first

Lol

Like clockwork.

Dec 15, 2018 06:42 PM #243

@DanR And we're missing his 6 dunks a game.

Dec 15, 2018 06:42 PM #244

Brutal turnover Vick.

Dec 15, 2018 06:42 PM #245

not positive he was out.

Dec 15, 2018 06:42 PM #246

Foul?

Dec 15, 2018 06:43 PM #247

Yeah, he wasn't out there. Bad call.

Dec 15, 2018 06:43 PM #248

Nice Garrett

Dec 15, 2018 06:43 PM #249

Marcus with the swipe!

Dec 15, 2018 06:43 PM #250

Garret's D has been stellar

Dec 15, 2018 06:44 PM #251

Bill gives out a reward for defense, it's called playing time.

Dec 15, 2018 06:45 PM #252

Another offensive lull for both teams.

Dec 15, 2018 06:45 PM #253

Brutal bad call

Dec 15, 2018 06:45 PM #254

Oh god. Basically a turnover

Dec 15, 2018 06:46 PM #255

It's funny because Marcus' offense is garbage and so we say he sucks. When someone is great on O like Marcus is on D, but sucks at D we don't say he sucks.

Dec 15, 2018 06:46 PM #256

Mitch had not been good today

Dec 15, 2018 06:46 PM #257

wissox said:

It's funny because Marcus' offense is garbage and so we say he sucks. When someone is great on O like Marcus is on D, but sucks at D we don't say he sucks.

I say Charlie sucks! Oh wait his offense isn't good.

Dec 15, 2018 06:47 PM #258

Well, someone had to make a bucket eventually. KU better get an answer now.

Dec 15, 2018 06:47 PM #259

@wissox But we think he's a glory hound and a weenie.

Dec 15, 2018 06:47 PM #260

DanR said:

Mitch had not been good today

Mitch isn't good.

Dec 15, 2018 06:47 PM #261

DEDRIC THO

Dec 15, 2018 06:47 PM #262

Lawson got fouled on that pick and roll finish.

Dec 15, 2018 06:48 PM #263

wissox said:

Lawson got fouled on that pick and roll finish.

He's been hacked all game. Should have about 10 fta by now honestly.

Dec 15, 2018 06:49 PM #264

Mitch has frying pans for hands today

Dec 15, 2018 06:49 PM #265

DEEEEEEEEEEEDRICCCCCCCC

Dec 15, 2018 06:49 PM #266

Huge plays by Vick and Dedric

Dec 15, 2018 06:49 PM #267

50 for the two

Dec 15, 2018 06:50 PM #268

Memphis Jayhawks

Dec 15, 2018 06:50 PM #269

@Bwag They are in a scoring contest, each with 25. I like it! Who will win?

Dec 15, 2018 06:50 PM #270

No 3s out this time out.

Dec 15, 2018 06:51 PM #271

Let's set up a play where Garrett gets an assist

Dec 15, 2018 06:51 PM #272

Couple of stops and make FTs down the stretch. Is that too much to ask/hope for???

Dec 15, 2018 06:51 PM #273

Villy down to 28% 3pt rate. Down from near 40%

Dec 15, 2018 06:52 PM #274

BeddieKU23 said:

No 3s out this time out.

Nova 7-25. This is an oddly bad shooting team for them. System doesn't look so hot when you don't have the shooters or great athletes.

Paschall had a horseshoe up his rear against KU in the FF.

Dec 15, 2018 06:52 PM #275

Breathing fouls

Dec 15, 2018 06:52 PM #276

BeddieKU23 said:

Breathing fouls

Only against KU tho

Dec 15, 2018 06:52 PM #277

DanR said:

Let's set up a play where Garrett gets an assist

Then he'd have 4 steals, 4 assists, and 4 boards. And one point.

Dec 15, 2018 06:52 PM #278

Refs just dont even know their own job

Dec 15, 2018 06:52 PM #279

DCHawker said:

Couple of stops and make FTs down the stretch. Is that too much to ask/hope for???

3 point defense has been pretty good! Gotta rebound.

Dec 15, 2018 06:53 PM #280

BeddieKU23 said:

Refs just dont even know their own job

That call was absurdly bad. Booth is trash.

Dec 15, 2018 06:53 PM #281

Pretend that didn't hapoen

Dec 15, 2018 06:53 PM #282

UGGGGGH Mitch

Dec 15, 2018 06:53 PM #283

Dotson

Dec 15, 2018 06:54 PM #284

Dot!

Dec 15, 2018 06:54 PM #285

Dotson finally with an answered prayer

Dec 15, 2018 06:54 PM #286

Dotson is a pit bull

Dec 15, 2018 06:54 PM #287

@wissox And good D on Gillespie...

Dec 15, 2018 06:54 PM #288

Gillispie is the shit version of brunson

Dec 15, 2018 06:54 PM #289

BeddieKU23 said:

Gillispie is the shit version of brunson

LOVE THIS POST

Dec 15, 2018 06:54 PM #290

DCHawker said:

@wissox And good D on Gillespie...

Dotson is the 2nd best perimeter defender on the team imo.

Dec 15, 2018 06:54 PM #291

WAY TOO QUIICK VICK??

Dec 15, 2018 06:55 PM #292

DCHawker said:

WAY TOO QUIICK VICK??

Yeah, I'm a fan of running clock in that spot...

Dec 15, 2018 06:55 PM #293

Dotson playing some defense

Dec 15, 2018 06:56 PM #294

The Little guy is playing big

Dec 15, 2018 06:56 PM #295

Fouling already, this is going to be a long finish. Thanks Jay.

Dec 15, 2018 06:56 PM #296

Wow so fun

Dec 15, 2018 06:56 PM #297

That's a top 10 there.

Dec 15, 2018 06:57 PM #298

Grimes should be doing that flush three times a game

Dec 15, 2018 06:57 PM #299

@wissox Dotson?

Dec 15, 2018 06:57 PM #300

DanR said:

Grimes should be doing that flush three times a game

He just can't get by D1 athletes.

Dec 15, 2018 06:57 PM #301

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@wissox Dotson?

Booth's dunk I would bet.

Dec 15, 2018 06:57 PM #302

@Crimsonorblue22 The Booth dunk. Dotson's was nice too.

Dec 15, 2018 06:58 PM #303

@BShark pretty sure he can

Dec 15, 2018 06:58 PM #304

Mahomes stood up urged crowd on! Awesome

Dec 15, 2018 06:58 PM #305

wissox said:

That's a top 10 there.

Bill will beat them with that highlight.

Dec 15, 2018 06:59 PM #306

That electro music is horrible.

Dec 15, 2018 06:59 PM #307

DanR said:

@BShark pretty sure he can

Dunno. He reminds me of Selden but a better passer. He has the same issue where if he doesn't hit a shot early he disengages from the entire game. He will learn.

Dec 15, 2018 06:59 PM #308

I can't believe they're reviewing the time. WHat a joke.

Dec 15, 2018 06:59 PM #309

Bwag said:

That electro music is horrible.

It really is... And I like good electronic music.

Dec 15, 2018 06:59 PM #310

wissox said:

I can't believe they're reviewing the time. WHat a joke.

Anything to help Nova.

Dec 15, 2018 06:59 PM #311

Bwag said:

That electro music is horrible.

Where's the band. What, is this a lifeless NBA arena?

Dec 15, 2018 07:00 PM #312

Jay Wright gonna hack-a-Marcus? I would...

Dec 15, 2018 07:00 PM #313

Good lord charlie

Dec 15, 2018 07:01 PM #314

DanR said:

Good lord charlie

Dotson knows.

Dec 15, 2018 07:01 PM #315

@BShark nice to see them having fun though

Dec 15, 2018 07:02 PM #316

Agree. Nice to see Dotson wanting the ball in this spot.

Dec 15, 2018 07:02 PM #317

Big game grimes is in

Dec 15, 2018 07:02 PM #318

They are scoring way too quickly and easily. Good thing we are making FTs...

Dec 15, 2018 07:02 PM #319

It's reflex bilas. That's why dedric is good

Dec 15, 2018 07:03 PM #320

YOU CANT FOUL THERE DEDRIC

Dec 15, 2018 07:03 PM #321

Dotson in double figures

Dec 15, 2018 07:03 PM #322

What is wrong with Vick

Dec 15, 2018 07:03 PM #323

Vick loses his head.

Dec 15, 2018 07:03 PM #324

Seriously how can you make that play

Dec 15, 2018 07:03 PM #325

Giving the game away, sweet...

Dec 15, 2018 07:03 PM #326

We had two TOs left...

Dec 15, 2018 07:03 PM #327

2 flippin timeouts

Dec 15, 2018 07:04 PM #328

FR mistake from Vick, he will learn...

Dec 15, 2018 07:04 PM #329

Big rebound by Vick to make up

Dec 15, 2018 07:04 PM #330

Hey we had a time out. Why can't we figure that out.

Dec 15, 2018 07:04 PM #331

Vick better grab that rebound

Dec 15, 2018 07:05 PM #332

Come on grimes Do something big

Dec 15, 2018 07:05 PM #333

There was no foul.

Dec 15, 2018 07:05 PM #334

Making FTs is really nice to see.

Dec 15, 2018 07:05 PM #335

Silly

Dec 15, 2018 07:05 PM #336

That was a dumb three but Nova was gonna hit one eventually. Gotta keep making FT.

Dec 15, 2018 07:06 PM #337

Watch these free throws

Dec 15, 2018 07:06 PM #338

We just need one friggin' stop....

Dec 15, 2018 07:06 PM #339

Guarded from 30 feet. Nothing you can do on that one.

Dec 15, 2018 07:06 PM #340

Typical

Dec 15, 2018 07:07 PM #341

I hate the fast whistle at the end of games.

Dec 15, 2018 07:07 PM #342

BShark said:

Guarded from 30 feet. Nothing you can do on that one.

Joke shot.

Dec 15, 2018 07:07 PM #343

BeddieKU23 said:

BShark said:

Guarded from 30 feet. Nothing you can do on that one.

Joke shot.

Circus Trey Burke crap

Dec 15, 2018 07:07 PM #344

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

BShark said:

Guarded from 30 feet. Nothing you can do on that one.

Joke shot.

Circus Trey Burke crap

Oh god. Hes dead to me

Dec 15, 2018 07:08 PM #345

Just like, play enough defense to take some time off the clock. I'd be okay with that even...

Dec 15, 2018 07:08 PM #346

My god. Just close the game out

Dec 15, 2018 07:08 PM #347

Nova brought a priest

Dec 15, 2018 07:09 PM #348

I'm scared

Dec 15, 2018 07:09 PM #349

So whoever gets fouled. Will miss the first

Dec 15, 2018 07:09 PM #350

Do have to give credit where it is due - Booth has been huge for them...

Dec 15, 2018 07:09 PM #351

Send vick down court go deep

Dec 15, 2018 07:09 PM #352

Jay Wright was smart to start fouling so early obviously.

Dec 15, 2018 07:09 PM #353

At least we used a Time out instead of a turnover

Dec 15, 2018 07:10 PM #354

Ugh

Dec 15, 2018 07:10 PM #355

BShark said:

Just like, play enough defense to take some time off the clock. I'd be okay with that even...

I blame myself for that last lay-up by nova. Technically it was what I asked for here. ;)

Dec 15, 2018 07:11 PM #356

Phew

Dec 15, 2018 07:11 PM #357

Give Jay a technical imo.

Dec 15, 2018 07:11 PM #358

I'm not sure there was a foul

Dec 15, 2018 07:11 PM #359

Cant stop fouling that wasnt a foul

Dec 15, 2018 07:11 PM #360

Our basketball IQ isn't very high.

Dec 15, 2018 07:12 PM #361

Jesus

Dec 15, 2018 07:12 PM #362

@wissox Bill has his work cut out for him with this group for sure.

Dec 15, 2018 07:13 PM #363

No foul bilas you clown head

Dec 15, 2018 07:14 PM #364

GOOD THING THEY ARE GOING TO THE REVIEW MONITOR./....

Dec 15, 2018 07:14 PM #365

He fell down, come on Bilas you fool

Dec 15, 2018 07:15 PM #366

Still playing on 2 or 3 cylinders but I'll take it!

Dec 15, 2018 07:15 PM #367

These refs should assess a technical on themselves.

Dec 15, 2018 07:15 PM #368

It is still a mystery to me how we are winning these games.........

Dec 15, 2018 07:15 PM #369

DCHawker said:

It is still a mystery to me how we are winning these games.........

Billy Self

Dec 15, 2018 07:16 PM #370

Hot dang!

Dec 15, 2018 07:16 PM #371

Game

Dec 15, 2018 07:16 PM #372

Whew!

Dec 15, 2018 07:17 PM #373

winner, winner...chicken dinner.

Dec 15, 2018 07:17 PM #374

ESPN can't cut away fast enough. And the fans aren't even interested enough to attend this football game.

Dec 15, 2018 07:18 PM #375

9 and 0, but our margin of victory is invisible. RCJH

Dec 15, 2018 07:19 PM #376

John Gasaway
‏Verified account @JohnGasaway

Since November 2015, Kansas is 21-3 in games decided by four points or less.

Dec 15, 2018 07:19 PM #377

No Dedric, No Desousa. Winner winner. We probably should have won this by more but as much as I hate to admit it, Jay Wright is the best coach in college hoops right now. I'm already nervous about playing them next year in Philly.

Dec 15, 2018 07:20 PM #378

I usually agree with Bilas but if they called that a foul on Vick it would've have been as ridiculous as calling one on Graham in the elite eight.

Dec 15, 2018 07:21 PM #379

@kjayhawks Thanks for the memory of that.

Dec 15, 2018 07:22 PM #380

@wissox Probably would have lost this one without Dedric. ;)

I know you meant Doke though of course.

Dec 15, 2018 07:25 PM #381

We need scoring without Doke, or Vick and Dedric will have to repeat today's performance next Saturday

Dec 15, 2018 07:26 PM #382

BShark said:

@wissox Probably would have lost this one without Dedric. ;)

I know you meant Doke though of course.

OR if we hadn't had LaGerald

Dec 15, 2018 07:26 PM #383

Love the come together

Dec 15, 2018 07:28 PM #384

Jay wright is dead to me!

Dec 15, 2018 07:28 PM #385

Jay with respect in the post game. "This is the toughest place to play"

Dec 15, 2018 07:29 PM #386

@wissox 🤮

Dec 15, 2018 07:30 PM #387

Tell jay to play w/out his “doke”

Dec 15, 2018 07:30 PM #388

Grimes has just gotten beyond lost. - - Not sure what's going on, could be something else - -who knows - -would be crazy if he never comes around - and still leaves or transfer out - - maybe he just isn't adapting - -something sure the hell wrong.

I tell you what guys - -right now KU is messing with a loaded gun - -if we don't get this crap straightened - - one of these times that gun is gonna go off in our face. -- -we are playing off a prayer right now. - - Just for one sure would be nice not have to worry about it coming down to a last shot. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Dec 15, 2018 07:30 PM #389

Phil Booth giving props to Self for how KU kept changing defensive looks.

Dec 15, 2018 07:30 PM #390

U c jay pulling his kids in all the time?

Dec 15, 2018 07:31 PM #391

@BShark I know I was rude to you earlier, but I'm glad you're still 0 for the season in picking KU games.

Dec 15, 2018 07:31 PM #392

I’m undefeated in AFH

Dec 15, 2018 07:32 PM #393

wissox said:

@BShark I know I was rude to you earlier, but I'm glad you're still 0 for the season in picking KU games.

I shouldn't have thrown in the swear. I edited it out earlier.

Dec 15, 2018 07:32 PM #394

Could hardly walk but I did it

Dec 15, 2018 07:32 PM #395

wissox said:

@BShark I know I was rude to you earlier, but I'm glad you're still 0 for the season in picking KU games.

Is this just a reverse psychology play at this point @BShark ?

Dec 15, 2018 07:32 PM #396

@Crimsonorblue22 Keep going

Dec 15, 2018 07:32 PM #397

@wissox a few more

Dec 15, 2018 07:33 PM #398

@Bwag guess? I give him heck all the time

Dec 15, 2018 07:33 PM #399

Bwag said:

wissox said:

@BShark I know I was rude to you earlier, but I'm glad you're still 0 for the season in picking KU games.

Is this just a reverse psychology play at this point @BShark ?

Well, I did predict wins for KU vs plenty of teams this year. Though notably thought Wofford would be a much tougher game.

Dec 15, 2018 07:34 PM #400

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Tell jay to play w/out his “doke”

He did say Nova got a break with Doke being out.

Dec 15, 2018 07:34 PM #401

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Could hardly walk but I did it

Get better soon. :pray_tone2:

Dec 15, 2018 07:34 PM #402

@BShark simple scope wasn’t so simple

Dec 15, 2018 07:35 PM #403

@jayballer73 Well, you're right on both counts. Grimes is completely lost. It will make the time he "finds it" even more satisfying ... so long as it's this season.

And we are playing with a loaded gun. We know it will go off in our face. Teams like this have the gun go off in March. We know that. A FF will be a surprise at this point. However ... big "however" .. lots of time to for cohesiveness to build, and identity to be found.

Funny how we thought we were so deep. Not at the moment.

Dec 15, 2018 07:36 PM #404

@jayballer73 2012.

Dec 15, 2018 07:42 PM #405

HighEliteMajor said:

@jayballer73 Well, you're right on both counts. Grimes is completely lost. It will make the time he "finds it" even more satisfying ... so long as it's this season.

And we are playing with a loaded gun. We know it will go off in our face. Teams like this have the gun go off in March. We know that. A FF will be a surprise at this point. However ... big "however" .. lots of time to for cohesiveness to build, and identity to be found.

Funny how we thought we were so deep. Not at the moment.

very true - -I mean if teams scheme to shut down Dedric - -at this point and time we are in some Serious trouble. Again true and again at this point THIS is not a FF team - I think we are for sure over ranked right now. - -Top 5 probably a lot more accurate then # 1 - -sorry if that hurts guys but were -- -just not.

Quite possibly for example - -if we had Doke playing quite possibly could of been would of been a lot different. - -Cause just have to have another scoring option , for sure going to have to have it come Tourney time - -but that's along ways down the road - - Devon helps - -has played solid - - Marcus helps in a lot of ways but no offensive threat what so ever - -let's just hope we keep sawing wood lol -- get better. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Dec 15, 2018 07:43 PM #406

KUSTEVE said:

@jayballer73 2012.

YEP

Dec 15, 2018 07:47 PM #407

@jayballer73 Jay Wright schemed to stop Dedric. He's a pretty good coach. Could tell he wasn't thrilled with how his team executed it though.

Dec 15, 2018 07:47 PM #408

@jayballer73 By this time last year, we had lost by 9 to Washington, and lost by 10 to Arizona St in back to back games. the very next game, we beat Nebraska by 1 point. We were 1 point away from losing 3 in a row. I feel like last year turned out pretty good. One thing we seem to do well is fight and compete, because we've played and beat some pretty good teams so far. The way conference is shaping up, it might end up being easier than what we're facing non-conf.

Dec 15, 2018 08:07 PM #409

@jayballer73 but, but we keep beating good teams, not playing our best and short handed. Lots of room to grow!

Dec 15, 2018 08:14 PM #410

KUSTEVE said:

@jayballer73 By this time last year, we had lost by 9 to Washington, and lost by 10 to Arizona St in back to back games. the very next game, we beat Nebraska by 1 point. We were 1 point away from losing 3 in a row. I feel like last year turned out pretty good. One thing we seem to do well is fight and compete, because we've played and beat some pretty good teams so far. The way conference is shaping up, it might end up being easier than what we're facing non-conf.

I will agree with you to some things for sure buddy. - - The thing about it is - - we have been in tight ball games most the year -- we have played form behind a lot - -this HAS to help us in Conference or in ANY game as far as that goes - -be like ho hum - here we are again lol - -but your right they don't give up - just keep digging.

Still think we gonna have some battles though for sure in conference - -I think Tech is looking pretty dam tough - K-Straight - might give us some issues in cow town - -plus you have to think SURELY were gonna get things rolling later lots of room for improvement - -yet - -some how - -some way - -we are 9-0 - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Dec 15, 2018 08:15 PM #411

!alt text ↗

Imagine sitting this close to a stud! Mahomes is so lucky!!!

Dec 15, 2018 08:15 PM #412

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@jayballer73 but, but we keep beating good teams, not playing our best and short handed. Lots of room to grow!

exactly - - we ARE winning - -winning ugly - -but were winning , - -if we can get some things straightened then will be in much better shape

Dec 15, 2018 08:15 PM #413

A closer look.

!alt text ↗

Dec 15, 2018 08:16 PM #414

@KUSTEVE Conference will be a bear. And this team is not as good as last years team. If DLawson or Vick has an off game, we are very beatable by quite a few teams.

I can not express my disappointment in Q and Charlie enough. I am in hopes that one or both will come around and live up to the hype. Plus if Doke gets back and becomes a force, we may just have a special season. Right now is helter skelter and just getting by.

Dec 15, 2018 08:17 PM #415

BShark said:

!alt text ↗

Imagine sitting this close to a stud! Mahomes is so lucky!!!

Former Texas Tech Stud - - NOW converted - - /KANSAS STUD lol. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Dec 15, 2018 08:18 PM #416

Big Clyde52 said:

@KUSTEVE Conference will be a bear. And this team is not as good as last years team. If DLawson or Vick has an off game, we are very beatable by quite a few teams.

I can not express my disappointment in Q and Charlie enough. I am in hopes that one or both will come around and live up to the hype. Plus if Doke gets back and becomes a force, we may just have a special season. Right now is helter skelter and just getting by.

You are impressed with the B12? I'm definitely not. Not saying KU coasts to wins a bunch by any means but...

Dec 15, 2018 08:18 PM #417

@jayballer73 Look closer. Former KU hoops player nearby. :D

Dec 15, 2018 08:20 PM #418

BShark said:

@jayballer73 Look closer. Former KU hoops player nearby. :D

OH DAM -- didn't even notice the 1st time isn't that Tyrell?. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Dec 15, 2018 08:24 PM #419

@BShark Not that impressed. Just know they are damn tired of us winning it. So we are going to get 18 best shots from them all. We always do. I am hoping these grinder games now will toughen us for the onslaught. And please no more injuries or suspensions.

Dec 15, 2018 08:27 PM #420

@jayballer73 Sure is my man.

@Big-Clyde52 Understandable, I'm just not sure there is a great challenger to KU. Maybe ISU when they have all their guys but I do think Self is a better coach than Prohm.

Dec 15, 2018 08:30 PM #421

@jayballer73 One of the hard parts of getting used to Bill Self was his penchant to win ugly, tight games. It took me years to like that after having Roy as coach. Roy would flambé teams. 150-95. Bill would've won that game by 7. That 2012 run cemented it. Bad ball.

Dec 15, 2018 08:36 PM #422

@Big-Clyde52 I don't see conference being tough. Imo, I wouldn't be the least surprised if there are only two ranked B12 teams in the Top 25 by the end of conference. Who knows, though. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Dec 15, 2018 08:52 PM #423

I assume Coach Self encourages Garrett to actively look for his shot on offense and to take it. I love his defense, but can KU afford to give him 37 minutes of playing time when he's such a liability on the offensive end. 1 point today on 0/4 FG, 0/2 from 3, 4 rbs. 1 TO, but 3 assists, 4 steals and 1 block. The kid is everywhere, but I just wish he didn't set up in the corners on offense. I think he's better in the paint for rebounding.

Dec 15, 2018 08:53 PM #424

jayballer73 said:

BShark said:

@jayballer73 Look closer. Former KU hoops player nearby. :D

OH DAM -- didn't even notice the 1st time isn't that Tyrell?. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Ya , good looking out. v- -like I said when I saw the pic the 1st time I was just looking at Ol boy - -then when you mentioned - -sure enough - -he was a pretty decent player too. - Let's see he played High School ball in Burlington right?

Dec 15, 2018 08:55 PM #425

While conference opponents knock each other out. KU just wins, night in and night out. Every round of games 1/2 the conference picks up an L, but only rarely is it KU. By the end of the conference season we know how it’ll shake out.

Dec 15, 2018 08:57 PM #426

KUSTEVE said:

@Big-Clyde52 I don't see conference being tough. Imo, I wouldn't be the least surprised if there are only two ranked B12 teams in the Top 25 by the end of conference. Who knows, though. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

I'd bet on three ranked teams. Seems about right.

Dec 15, 2018 08:58 PM #427

TexasTech, KU, and ...

Dec 15, 2018 09:00 PM #428

dylans said:

TexasTech, KU, and ...

One of ISU/KSU.

Dec 15, 2018 09:28 PM #429

@BShark I would add TCU. They have at least 4-5 guys that shoot the 3 pretty well. On a hot night can beat anyone. ISU pretty darn good. K-state everyone back. TTech very good. OU better this year. UT who knows? WV and OSU tough road games.

We need to win all home games and enough on the road. As @dylans said, teams will knock each other off, then we can sneak in.

Dec 15, 2018 09:40 PM #430

K State sucks.

Dec 15, 2018 10:04 PM #431

@BShark my sister in law was just a little ways down from him.

Dec 15, 2018 10:05 PM #432

I love this win so much. Only two guys on our team leave the locker room. Our big man is on the bench. Our other big man is in NCAA prison. Nova’s best players both have great games. We don’t hit FT’s. We make countless bonehead plays down the stretch. We still beat the defending champs and remain unbeaten. RCJH.

Dec 15, 2018 10:06 PM #433

I'll be honest I find myself wishing Sam had stayed and Moore left.

Dec 15, 2018 10:12 PM #434

KUSTEVE said:

@jayballer73 By this time last year, we had lost by 9 to Washington, and lost by 10 to Arizona St in back to back games. the very next game, we beat Nebraska by 1 point. We were 1 point away from losing 3 in a row. I feel like last year turned out pretty good. One thing we seem to do well is fight and compete, because we've played and beat some pretty good teams so far. The way conference is shaping up, it might end up being easier than what we're facing non-conf.

Excellent points. We haven't played great ball yet and we are undefeated with victories over some real good teams. I feel good about that. We will get better.

Dec 15, 2018 10:13 PM #435

Didn't care much for Jay Bilas' commentary today.

Didn't care much for Jay Wright's bonus timeouts at the end of the game.

Happy that the Jay Hawks won.

Dec 15, 2018 10:29 PM #436

Big Clyde52 said:

@KUSTEVE Conference will be a bear. And this team is not as good as last years team. If DLawson or Vick has an off game, we are very beatable by quite a few teams.

I can not express my disappointment in Q and Charlie enough. I am in hopes that one or both will come around and live up to the hype. Plus if Doke gets back and becomes a force, we may just have a special season. Right now is helter skelter and just getting by.

Interesting how people view past teams in retrospect. Many were saying last December that last years team wouldn’t make the tournament or win the Big 12. Again, pretty silly to make all these statements in December, don’t you think?

Dec 15, 2018 10:52 PM #437

Since margin of victory is now a factor on the NET ranking, I did some math and was surprised our average MOV is 9.56/game. Since every team KU has played has been competitive at some point and several games have come down to the wire, I thought the average MOV was less.

Dec 15, 2018 11:33 PM #438

Crimsonorblue22 said:

I’m undefeated in AFH

Let's put you on a bus in March, like the 88 team did with bus driver..

Dec 16, 2018 12:06 AM #439

@bskeet I've never been to a post season game.

Dec 16, 2018 12:07 AM #440

kjayhawks said:

I'll be honest I find myself wishing Sam had stayed and Moore left.

Hell no.

Dec 16, 2018 12:25 AM #441

Bill self is aging better than jay wrong

Dec 16, 2018 03:47 AM #442

@HawkChamp Which statements are silly? Q and Charlie? Or this team is not as good? I just do not believe this team is as good as last years. We lost three terrific shooters, two of which were senior leaders. We have none of that kind of fire power now, except for Vick going off occasionally. DLawson is trying to fill the gap lately. Just my opinion.

Dec 16, 2018 04:49 AM #443

@Crimsonorblue22 I've been to one postseason game, in the Superdome 2012! Wish we could have pulled that one off of course.

Dec 16, 2018 04:57 AM #444

@wissox that's where my avi came from

Dec 16, 2018 11:07 AM #445

@Big-Clyde52 Another way to look at it is how may pros were on the team last year vs. this. We lost 2 NBA players and 1 2nd tier pro. Replaced with maybe 1 2nd tier pro and a couple guys who are just not very good basketball players. Moore is slow, small, and makes bad decisions. Grimes may be Sean Pearson 2.0. Dedric is a terrific college player who will play overseas.

We are very overrated at this stage. However, don't forget how much progress we usually make over Christmas break. The genius will be going into his laboratory in just a few days and his track record proves he will come out with some new weird science that results in hoops greatness.

But overall I agree, we just dont have nearly as talented players this year.

Dec 16, 2018 01:54 PM #446

@Fightsongwriter looking at it that way doesn’t matter as much, really. College and the pros are two different games. Plus, it’s amazing how much of a different tune folks are singing in hindsight, when early on everyone was saying there was NO CHANCE last years team could anything they accomplished. The overreactions in December are rearing their ugly head once again, and we’ve already beat four ranked teams and are 9-0 for the first time since 2010-2011 season.

Dec 16, 2018 02:27 PM #447

@Big-Clyde52 Oh yeah...we're doing terrible. Woe is us...

Dec 16, 2018 03:41 PM #448

@KUSTEVE No one said we are doing terrible. Hell we are 9-0. That sure isn't terrible. But what would our record be without several career games by Vick? Or a couple by DLawson? Just worried that if one or both have an off night, who is going to step up?

My hope is that they both keep playing well along with Devon, and Doke gets back 100%. Then if Q can get it going during conference, we should have a very successful season. A miracle would be to add SDS in the second half. Fingers crossed.

If we can get by ASU, we may enter the Big 12 undefeated. I worry that a lot of people are underestimating our conference. KSU took a possible blow last night, but Baylor showed what they can do. Hope I am wrong, but think it will be a grind. My opinion only.

Dec 16, 2018 04:01 PM #449

These are normal games for Dedric actually he is amazing.

Dec 16, 2018 05:27 PM #450

@KirkIsMyHinrich - during the last “consultation” Villanova took during a KU free throw attempt, the look on the ref’s face was quite stern. He was almost angry but didn’t assess a technical against Villanova. Too bad.

@jayballer73 - you Know Mahomes will be in Lawrence for the TTU game. Any guesses on the colors he wears? Or will he go straight for Chiefs colors?

Dec 16, 2018 05:37 PM #451

Wright deserved a tech imo.

Dec 16, 2018 05:41 PM #452

Gorilla72 said:

@KirkIsMyHinrich - during the last “consultation” Villanova took during a KU free throw attempt, the look on the ref’s face was quite stern. He was almost angry but didn’t assess a technical against Villanova. Too bad.

@jayballer73 - you Know Mahomes will be in Lawrence for the TTU game. Any guesses on the colors he wears? Or will he go straight for Chiefs colors?

ohhhh that's a very interesting question - -- lol - - - maybe he will just opt for something neutral - - like you said quite possibly Chiefs - -cause ya - -he will for sure be there for that game. - - -ROCK CHALK AL DAY LONG BABY

Dec 16, 2018 06:48 PM #453

Yesterday we had our early Christmas party for those that will be away for the actual Christmas party so I was able to watch most of the game while welcoming guests but unable to post during the game.

Here are some of my observations...

First, the sky is not falling. KU is doing well and progressing slowly but surely. It is easy to win the big blowouts but its is harder to win the close ones and KU had done it while playing the toughest schedule of any top 25 team and is still unbeaten...while KU keeps on winning...

Only 2 returning players with significant experience and trying to merge 4 new players is not always easy, particularly when your top big is out and the second big is in limbo and unable to play...while KU keeps on winning...

We all though, particularly after the Michigan State game, that Grimes would be the best player in the team and after that game he practically disappeared and the hope is that he will reappear with a bang...while KU keeps on winning...

Dedric has merged nicely and is playing like we thought he could, Dotson has probably exceeded expectations and Marcus is stud on defense. On the other hand, K.J., Moore and Grimes and to an extent Big Dave have yet to fully integrate with the team...while KU keeps on winning...

The defense has also gotten better. in the last 6 games opponents shot: Marquette 41.7% and 45.2%, Tennessee 41.3% and 25.9%, Stanford 44.4% and 35.3%, Wofford 26.2% and 19.2%, New Mexico State 45.5% and 26.9% and Villanova 40.7% and 28.6%. It is obvious that KU is still a work in progress with Coach Self trying to find the optimal lineups for the various opponents with varying degrees of success...while KU keeps on winning...

KU is mostly playing now at what I would consider 60%-70% of potential and, while I don't expect them to ever get to 100% which no team ever does except for short spurts, when they get to the 80%-90% the team will be extremely good...while KU keeps on winning...

Dec 16, 2018 07:14 PM #454

Correct me if I’m wrong, but it looks like many KU players are passing up shots to feed Dedrick and LaGerald. It’s not showing up as an assist but the ball is consistently moved until those two get a touch...

Dec 16, 2018 07:18 PM #455

@Gorilla72 I think you are right, they have said that too. Feed the hot hand. D Lawson was scoring at will and Vick was the hot hand.

Dec 16, 2018 08:31 PM #456

@JayHawkFanToo I really liked Self's halftime talk about the initial half-court defense being really good, and that Nova only really hit their threes off of rebounds and kickouts. It's very exciting to see us defend the 3 well. We do seem to be rotating a lot better.

Dec 16, 2018 11:28 PM #457

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@bskeet I've never been to a post season game.

Hmm.. this could explain some things!

Dec 16, 2018 11:52 PM #458

Big Clyde52 said:

@ I just do not believe this team is as good as last years. We lost three terrific shooters, two of which were senior leaders. We have none of that kind of fire power now, except for Vick going off occasionally. DLawson is trying to fill the gap lately. Just my opinion.

I feel the urge to agree. However, I have to catch myself and try to consider how to make a fair assessment. Here are some things I think are influencing my evaluation:

1) Last year's team had Silvio and Doke. They are still on this team, but neither is playing. If they play, the team would be better. If/when they do, both have a year more experience than last year.

2) I am using current data against the team that finished strong with a conference and regional final championship. It's still just December. Trying to remember how the team was last year about this time. We were relying pretty heavily on Graham and Svi. Newman was a non-factor until conference, IIRC.

3) The vacancies were filled by less experienced players, but with ceilings as high or possibly higher. Dotson is not Graham, but seems to have found a groove already. His performance as a freshmen has been impressive, but no where near as potent offensively as Graham.

4) Vick is much more lethal than last year, shooting better than anyone I can recall since Terry Brown and Ron Kellogg. Not sure if he completely fill's Svi's shoes as a slasher, and certainly not as a defender, but there is room for improvement. Vick's athleticism continues to amaze. That bodes well for some moment in the future when he decides to play lock-down defense.

5) DLawson is unlike anyone we had last year.

6) Garrett and Lightfoot are a year older and both seem improved.

This team is less experienced as a group, less consistent and not as strong defensively as the team last year. And it's short-handed.

But the deficiencies are things that could be resolved through the season and, in almost every category, we could be better.

So we're not yet better, but this team could be better than a final four team, and that's encouraging to me.

Short version: glass is half full.

Dec 17, 2018 02:48 AM #459

@bskeet I think we're light years ahead of last year's defense, and light years behind the offense. Our game with Arizona St should give us a more accurate idea how much progress we've made on defense. Last year, they blew us off the court. Getting offense from 2 1/2 guys is certainly not optimal, and it's a bail out from our offense not working like it should. At least when Doke gets back, that will give us another option. I think Dotson has to assert himself a lot more for us to get where we want to go. He had that little stretch in the last few minutes of the Nova game where he just took over for a couple plays- the dude was total clutch. We have to get that type of performance from him the whole game. This dude should initiate alot more offense. Drive, drive, drive. We've got a mini-Frank, but he's taking mini-me shots. Turn it up, DD.

Dec 17, 2018 03:52 AM #460

It’s still very early. A lot of growth left. Last seasons team was worse at this point in the season. It took growth from Newman and De Sousa to turn us into a FF team.

This year we are no different. It will take improvement from several players to make this season special.

Dec 17, 2018 03:44 PM #461

Last Years team wasn't anywhere near this good defensively, I went to the Arizona State game unfortunately and witnessed my first loss in AFH. As stated it was all on Graham and Svi much of the season with Vick being good at times and Newman really just hanging out til march rolled around. Maybe Grimes can be this years Newman? Grimes has more of an excuse than Newman being a freshman but him progressing will be a huge factor in how far we can grow as a team. I feel like Dotson is playing great ball at this point of the season, Grimes has been a complete ghost outside of 2 games. Doke being back will help on the defensive side of the ball just because opposing teams know he'll be waiting in paint for them, even if he fouls them lmao. We have a tough schedule and keep winning games so its hard to get real frustrated at this point. I will this team is stating to remind me of the 05 team that started out 20-1, then limped to a first exit (W/O Langford albeit).

Dec 17, 2018 04:52 PM #462

@kjayhawks I'm of the opinion that when Doke gets back, Marcus starts, and Grimes goes to the bench. Dotson/Marcus/Vick/Dedric/Doke. This is 2012 all over again, imo.. A salty defensive team that has a knack for winning close games. That 2012 team just amazed us, as they looked butt ugly most of the time, but they would find a way to win.

Dec 17, 2018 04:54 PM #463

@KUSTEVE I don't think he'll take grimes confidence away by not starting him.

Dec 17, 2018 05:01 PM #464

@KUSTEVE That maybe the best thing to do but as @Crimsonorblue22 Says that may kill Grimes confidence, but he can't keep starting all year if it doesn't pay.

Dec 17, 2018 05:05 PM #465

@KUSTEVE The 2012 team didn't have near the depth that this season's team does. Self only played Teahan and Young off the bench basically, and Young only averaged 11 minutes per game. Dedric has kind of been like our Thomas Robinson, though, in terms of numbers and how much we rely on him. Dedric's numbers are probably a little bit better than Robinson's were.

I'd rather keep Grimes in the starting lineup; I want Self to play Grimes through his mistakes and growing pains early. I know it kind of sucks now, but it could pay dividends in March.

Dec 17, 2018 05:32 PM #466

@KirkIsMyHinrich I think that is exactly what Self is doing, letting him play tho he isn't playing well and thinking he will progress and wake the heck up one of these days.

Dec 17, 2018 05:43 PM #467

@Crimsonorblue22 I think the confidence ship has already sailed by the look on Grime's face in the Nova game, combined with the 14 minutes on the court.

Dec 17, 2018 05:45 PM #468

Dotson looks right on schedule. Hopefully Grimes catches up when Vick starts dropping off due to more defensive recognition.

Dec 17, 2018 07:22 PM #469

I think Self will keep starting Grimes in hopes that things will consistently click for him. Who knows where his confidence actually is.

Dec 17, 2018 07:32 PM #470

@HawkChamp

Yeah I think Self should continue to start Grimes as well at least through these last few non-conference games. If he hasn't made strides by the time Doke returns then I see the value in sticking with Garrett. At that point your choosing which guys can win you games, especially in conference.

Not much has gone right for him though. The refs have it out for him on his drives and he's made some other poor decisions and because the games have been close Self goes with whoever isn't making mistakes.