nice shot by Big Dave

Och

Hey, where'd everyone go?

Franny's dream game. KU could lose the B12 conference for the first time since 2005. NOT TONIGHT, FRAN.

Dave has to make that short little shot. So frustrating

Turnaround J in the lane. Be nice to make those.

Frans fired up for historic pm for streak to end

@wissox Fat Tuesday perhaps?

Can’t leave maniac

This looks lackadasical on both ends

Gotta make easy buckets

Yet another Grimes weak-ass drive - falls away and throws up a prayer rather than trying to draw contact...

Find shooters

Good start

For Oklahoma

OU peaking early

Bricked an open 3

Bill Self has set a records for TO's before the first TV timeout this season.

My God

My God

My God

My God

My God

Shades of tech again

wissox said:

Hey, where'd everyone go?

The same place as our offense and defense?

Dont know why it posted 4 times but it was fine in the end. Zero energy and give a damn outta the boys in blue on the road again. I'm picking us to lose first round

@kjayhawks I thought it was effective with the repetition!

Final Four

We start slow EVERY game

Hard to watch this right now...

Fran's line for the night "Final Four run"

Our 3 pt attempts aren't anywhere closing to going in...

OU getting cocky now and bricking shots

Wow, this team looks ready to give up the streak right now.

Marcus Garrett doesnt need to be standing on the perimeter...offers nothing

Flop

This lineup is embarrassing

Wea ass play Rewarded by weak ass reffing

@Woodrow I'm not embarrassed.

Looks like these guy already quit, on to next season.

KJ is in suck mode

Woodrow said:

This lineup is embarrassing

2 trips and 2 turnovers

Woodrow said:

This lineup is embarrassing

They haven"t lost any ground that the starters had already lost

32 minutes left. There's plenty of time.

There's more of that stellar perimeter D.

No effort at all tonight zero!

I don't get nervous til the last minute

Some of the most pathetic basketball I've seen

@BeddieKU23 6 turnovers already...

@BeddieKU23 EVER?

lol

wissox said:

I don't get nervous til the last minute

May be way over by then...if this continues

I remember when we did this to UNC in the Final 4 in 2008.

It's not fun when its the other side

As this game started....I felt like we didn't have much to play for....compared to previous years, that is. yes...seeding is important and this game would help. But it seems like the players feel the same way.

@BeddieKU23 True, the stakes are smaller right now however.

DanR said:

@BeddieKU23 EVER?

Depends on if YMCA topped this or the tech game recently

Darn, I was hoping they'd start showing gymnastics instead of this.

I think some fans are projecting their own feelings and emotions. I'm pretty sure the players want to win this more than any of us do.

Can we do a running clock

This feels like an OU - KU football game...

Yay, 16-0 run over.

Maybe they will get 10 points in 10 minutes. Small goals

We're going to make a game of it.

We scored

@DanR doesn't look like they care at all, never does laziness=give a damn.

Some good shots being put up

And none of them by the team we are rooting for

@DanR KU is in suck mode.

First bucket in about 8 minutes...

Might guard Manek

At least we can't blame the refs.

Don't let maniac catch the ball

Appropriately, I think I'll watch some recorded episodes of "What on Earth?"

Don't care about a bank shot, Grimes needs to see shots fall even if they're lucky shots.

Close the gap...then lets steal it in @wissox last minute

I still think we're going to win this. If we're going to be on the short end of a 16-0 run, I'm OK with it if it's in the first half.

Bwag said:

Close the gap...then lets steal it in @wissox last minute

Or in the first 5 minutes of 2nd half and run away...I'm not choosy

Not a charge

I feel like Dotsons outside shot has regressed

Of course if I'm OU I'm looking at empty sections in the stands and thinking what the heck fans, where are you? Of course, Fran runs his mouth. That was so NOT a charge.

Garrett needs to take a break on the bench

The spirit of Marcus Smart lives strong in this OU team

Fran how bout some Jayhawks?

We have 1 TO left.

Back to the pits

I was feeling good when we cut it to 8....right back to 12

Baby steps

After he runs out of timeouts should he just pick a fight

Dedric apparantly is gonna just throw up guarded 3s....

wissox said:

Of course if I'm OU I'm looking at empty sections in the stands and thinking what the heck fans, where are you? Of course, Fran runs his mouth. That was so NOT a charge.

Most Big 12 schools should thank their lucky stars that KU is in their conference, otherwise it'd be crickets in the stands for EVERY home game.

Plus they gave tickets away

@nwhawkfan True, it's not that great of an attendance conference. Too many football schools.

Now I get it - HCBS is doing Kruger a solid - knows the conference streak is over and is handing OU a win that's necessary for them to make the tourney...

Self should be on the trail looking for a dead eye shooter. Even if that’s all that person can do. Just someone I mean anyone that can shoot.

BeddieKU23 said:

After he runs out of timeouts should he just pick a fight

use technicals to talk to your team?

I quit worrying about timeouts the day Roy Williams left for North Carolina. That guy was obsessed with them. I never worried about timeouts before Roy. Bill doesn't use them at the end of the game anyway.

This is the laziest team to ever play at kansas.

Hard to make a run when you miss layups

Woodrow said:

Self should be on the trail looking for a dead eye shooter. Even if that’s all that person can do. Just someone I mean anyone that can shoot.

Is Braenen Greene on the market still/

3 layups missed...

I know ESPN has to know how much fans hate that split screen they go to to show the most pointless info.

This KU team just can't shoot.

Lol. That was our run. We cut it to 8.

Baylor won by 30 here

Big Dave not lawson

Dont worry we are only down 17

Congratulations Big12. You beat our JV team to break our streak.

Clear the bench Bill, 3 damn times in a row we get beat up the floor. Lazy lazy, I'm out if can show any heart please everyone transfer

If Bill uses all his TO's in first half does he get a full suite for the second/

Stone cold

Heat check we might score

Beating a dead horse but KU is now

7-21 2-11

....

They haven't doubled us up...yet

Nope just 1

BAD SHOT CHUCK

Down 16...we got this

Charlie not afraid to shoot

Moore is like I gotta get on this action. I have a low field goal % to keep up

@BShark We're now 2-13 from 3pt and one of those was a lucky bank shot...

Only 6 points away from Texas tech

@Bwag They did double us up when it was 36-18

Dedric scored.

kjayhawks said:

Clear the bench Bill, 3 damn times in a row we get beat up the floor. Lazy lazy, I'm out if can show any heart please everyone transfer

Roy did that once early in the game...yanked all the starters and put in the bench. Starters got the message and won the game. Don't know if that would work on these guys.

But we're winning the PF and RB margins

Jesus, Grimes, force some contact

Grimes has not turned a corner

That was a turnover waiting to happen

@Woodrow

2 games is a lot to ask

Gma could've picked that off

This team just can't play away from AFH.

@Texas-Hawk-10 freshmen. They're pretty good, but still babes

@Crimsonorblue22 Not my gma

Afraid to take it to the hole

Gotta love dedrick effort on d

Wow grimes! Layups passing😞

Self got a free timeout

Only down 17

@wissox it would've knocked her over

Remember back in the day when we beat Tennessee and Michigan State?

We are so gonna score at least one bucket before half

OU did score 92 their last game against a depleted WVU, but other than that they haven't scored more than 74 pts in a B12 game this year - but we are making them look an offensive powerhouse...

@wissox doke!

@Crimsonorblue22 And good LG Vick

The whole world is celebrating!😭😡

We're shooting 29% OU is shooting 60%

Frankly, it could be worse.

We're looking at a dreaded 5-vs-12 seed matchup in the tournament

Our luck, isu and ou win sat.

Fran throw Seth under the bus

Mitch only takes charges wth

@Crimsonorblue22 then we can still TIE. We're not losing this one.

I'm more upset with Vick than anything this season. He just totally let this team down and his coach who gave him a 2nd chance. He could have acted like a senior who helped a team to the FF.

Go!

stop then a 3 and go into the half down by ten?

Down 13

D dot the wall?

Are you serious Dotson. That’s awful.

It could be worse

Now they left us just intrigued enough to watch the 2nd half

Still in it. Need to get the shooting average around 50% for the second half.

Yeah, I've missed two of the last three games, and was really excited to watch and chat with y'all and then it's this bad. The chat is good though. My wife noticed I'm barely yelling at the TV. Nothing to yell at.

@wissox This is pretty much what the OSU game looked like too. Really bad shooting for KU in the first half again.

Expecting a KU run to start the half. Down 6 with 10 to play. Rock Chalk.

Dotson, Ochai, Grimes: 3 of 14

Well, I think our uniforms look nice.

@DanR Ochai has been woefully short on every 3 he has taken.

@Woodrow Is he hurt? He seems really off.

A win tonight might have pushed us up a couple of spots. UK struggling and Purdue about to lose.

@joeloveshawks I feel the same...but I also think it could be a manek 3, Lawson missed bunny, buddy heild lite 3, grimes clank, and some layup...and dowe by 21...but the good news is we would be out of tos and the pain suffering will end quicker

@DanR I hate excuses, but it could just simply be the Freshman wall since he started so late. He’s had a rough 2-3 weeks

Second half prediction: We'll foul more and Bill forces the play through Dedric every offensive possession. I hope he's up for it.

I'm wondering if the streak ending will actually make this team play better in the B12 and NCAA Tournaments because there won't be much pressure on this team and the expectations won't be sky high like normal.

Dedric has no business guarding Manek. Every time he switched on him, Manek drained a three. So ... hope that doesn't happen second half!

Jeez

@Kcmatt7 ESPN is so bad. I go to their website to see what you mean about the Purdue game. I click on NCAAM and it shows three top 20 womens games going on!

Maniac can shoot but not a stud, stick w/him

They can’t even must a run or any game pressure on OU

I always wanted to get fouled and fall into the laps of the cheerleaders (don't tell my wife)

Defense is nonexistent tonight. They’re turning misses into layups

3-20 from 3

What was that?

And they’re just daring us to shoot. Because why wouldn’t you?

We're the team everyone wants to face in March.

what happened to Garrett

See man see ball?

@wissox we're good on neutral courts!

With Doke

This team is ripe for the 5 /12 upset

Winning on the road is fools gold.

@Woodrow slow down, man. One loss at a time!

This team is historically bad on the road considering we are likely to finish undefeated at home this season...

If the committee based our tourney resume solely on the body of work since Dokes injury we shouldn't even make the dance

Paging DOTSON. DOTSON? DOTSON?

Technically the streak was still alive win this game began. The effort and energy this team came out with is a embarrassment to the KU program. If I was a former player I would be pissed off.

However, when you don’t really have any players that have bought into the program ( sans Mitch) not sure what you can expect.

@Woodrow well, you're not a former player, so relax

@Woodrow You can’t tell me Ochai doesn’t care. Nor that Dotson doesn’t try.

The first time I tuned in it was 23-7. The second time it was 52-35. My blood pressure is fine, I won't turn back again. Good luck in the tournament boys.

@dylans are you watching?

Woodrow said:

@dylans are you watching?

I repeat Baylor won by 30 here

This is turning into a cerealistic nightmare.

Yeah, this team just sucks without Dok. Dedrick is a great trashman, but can’t carry a team as the primary option.

Dedric might end up with 50 and the guards 10

Fire the coach, hire Les Miles. (oh sorry, thought I was watching the football team for a second)

Trying to decide when to turn the tv to househunters.

@Woodrow If you want to sell me on Grimes not trying I’ll bite, but not those two.

Lots of time left. We’ll see how it plays out.

@Woodrow you don't think d dot, big Dave doke, Marcus, none of then has bought in to our program? Ochai

Just down 5 minus 15! Let's go!

@Crimsonorblue22 frustrated fans everywhere want to know wtf?!? Lol we’re spoiled!!!

Only dedric shoots from now on....the rest of the season included

6-0 run!

@Crimsonorblue22 No. I don’t think Freshman have enough equity to buy in yet. If they did you wouldn’t see this effort. This team can’t shoot, but defense is all effort and this team is exerting none.

looked like a good block by Dedric

That is the first time ever I have seen self just sit there when the team is coming to the bench

Could you imagine this team in an alternate universe where KT seals the deal (legally) and Dok is healthy? How would you like to guard Dok and Zion?

that was the worst series coming out of a time out that I have ever seen from a Bill Self team. Period

He said he was embarrassed earlier in the game. I'm never embarrassed being a fan of a team that has won 14 titles in a row, has been a #1 seed every season seemingly for half a decade, has defeated this years #1 team, has a HOF coach, etc. etc. and it takes a major injury, a trusted senior flaking out on us, the NCAA screwing us out of one of our best players to make us lose our streak. Not embarrassing. Bad luck? Maybe. But no one is to blame here. And oh, one other non embarrassing thing. This team will play in its 30th NCAA tournament in a row, and barring an upset, will win it's 28th out of 30 first round games during that streak. Of course, it won't be embarrassing either when once again 16,300 fans show up Saturday and give them a rousing ovation for the great accomplishment of all these years.

@wissox I guess this has been the most "embarrassing" season for KU fans in 15 years. Stay classy. Don't storm the court when we beat KSU and TTech at home next year.

bskeet said:

that was the worst series coming out of a time out that I have ever seen from a Bill Self team. Period

It’s not his fault Grimes can’t dribble or pass

See ya grimes.

Put Doke in!

How bad does Doke want to play right now? :heart: :muscle_tone4:

@Woodrow not enough equity to buy in? I submit the name Josh Jackson

@wissox sorry, I missed it. Who’s embarrassed? Fran?

@Woodrow not enough equity to buy in? I submit the name Josh Jackson

@bskeet chuck

Good grief, you'd think we'd hit 20% from three at least.

I'm getting worried about Dotson.

Needs to stay 3 more years.

DanR said:

I'm getting worried about Dotson.

What's up with these passes?

@dylans Pretty sure one person mentioned early in the game thread he was embarrassed. I'm not going to mention his, or her, name. They know who they are.

How many turnovers?

I'm off to Twitter for entertainment

wissox said:

@dylans Pretty sure one person mentioned early in the game thread he was embarrassed. I'm not going to mention his, or her, name. They know who they are.

It was me. This performance is embarrassing. Plain and simple.

@wissox more than one was embarrassed

Let's not play shame the boobird ;)

@bskeet 13

@approxinfinity whining in the first 7 minutes, shame is the game, man.

cragarhawk said:

This is turning into a cerealistic nightmare.

This isn't your father's Wheaties...

Leads only 13 and then 10. Let's get it down to 10

@Crimsonorblue22

Thanks. That seems like about how many 3s they've hit too.

Dotson seems ready to hit the showers.

I've spent most of the second half trying to figure out what the hell is going on with Dotson, tbh

The wall

I'm definitely embarrassed by this performance. Why wouldn't you be? It's ridiculous. It's one thing to have sub standard talent. It's quite another to lack effort. And another yet for it to plainly obvious this team has zero fundamentals whatsoever. Wtf do we work on in practice? Our suntan? When you don't have superior talent you focus on controllable things.... Fundamentals, defense, rebounding. And actually playing hard. It's beyond embarrassing that this team has failed to develop one of those items on a consistent basis. Completely thottled by a goddamn bubble team.

if this game were a breakfast cereal, what would it be?

@DanR i think he's too sped up, and doesn't feel like he can slow down.

@approxinfinity good pt, trying to do to much.

Bill, where do I go from here with this team?

Are we really paying these guys lmao

kjayhawks said:

Are we really paying these guys lmao

No.Adidas is

cragarhawk said:

I'm definitely embarrassed by this performance. Why wouldn't you be? It's ridiculous. It's one thing to have sub standard talent. It's quite another to lack effort. And another yet for it to plainly obvious this team has zero fundamentals whatsoever. Wtf do we work on in practice? Our suntan? When you don't have superior talent you focus on controllable things.... Fundamentals, defense, rebounding. And actually playing hard. It's beyond embarrassing that this team has failed to develop one of those items on a consistent basis. Completely thottled by a goddamn bubble team.

Correct. This team has zero identity. It doesn’t do anything great. It has nothing to use as it’s crutch.

@kjayhawks if one mf'er on this team was paid 1 cent then the entirety of the staff should be shit canned. Tonight

It seemed like the team had something to play for. Sure, OU got off to a hot start, but this team seems to have no resiliency. In their defense, it is a young team.

As good as D Lawson is, he doesn't seem to be the leader that is needed to take a team on his shoulders the way others have.

Okay Bill: 17.6% from 3Pt is fools gold...

We're 5/27 from three. That's not lack of effort or lack of "want it more", it's just stone cold shooting on the road again.

Next

It's so bad...grimes is coming back in

Sorry-- I meant that's how many 3s OU has hit.

What, we haven't lost this yet....

I mean Mitch looks lackadaisical out there. That never happens.

Charlie quick shot is in

Woodrow said:

I mean Mitch looks lackadaisical out there. That never happens.

Yeah this game has been over.

Big Dave powered that up and in

@DanR that is complete bs. Shots aren't falling does not tell the entire story at all. There is more to the game than shooting. And this team has none of it. Plain and simple.

Cheap foul call...fricken refs

Dave got range

@Bwag a rare bank-dunk by Big Dave!

When this game was like 7 -6...I was thinking this is great...we're starting well and we seem to have energy and McCormick is helping out....then down by 11 about 2 minutes later.

bmensch1 said:

When this game was like 7 -6...I was thinking this is great...we're starting well and we seem to have energy and McCormick is helping out....then down by 11 about 2 minutes later.

Me too...how quickly it got away

Range

@cragarhawk Why are you embarrassed? I don't get it. I'm getting up tomorrow to go to work. No one's going to laugh at me. They may ask what happened. But I just don't get when people say they're embarrassed.

It's so bad that espn is giving ku points on Oklahoma buckets

Big Dave - FT Line jumper....maybe we will be a force by time of tournament. #1988

Love the Addidas sentencing notices at the bottom of the screen as we watch Silvia sit..

Did Fran just say you know a great player when you see one "like Frank Mason as a freshman"? Maybe I heard him wrong

4 minutes left in this tragedy

Only down 22...just need about 40 stops in tje last 3 minutes and we got this

bmensch1 said:

Only down 22...just need about 40 stops in tje last 3 minutes and we got this

KeepTheFaith

Big Dave still hustling

So Grimes has a banked in 3 and 3 turnovers.

Loving Dave's energy and hustle

Remember when we used to have only one or two awful performances per season?

A hero is born Teahan! :fire: :fire:

Woodrow said:

So Grimes has a banked in 3 and 3 turnovers.

He only has 3 turnovers???? That's the most surprising thing I've heard all night

I remember when our talent wasn't all sitting on the bench injured

bmensch1 said:

Woodrow said:

So Grimes has a banked in 3 and 3 turnovers.

He only has 3 turnovers???? That's the most surprising thing I've heard all night

Thanks for making me laugh. I’m just going by Yahoo Sports box score. It sure as hell feels like more.

@wissox because as a fan I don't like to accept getting beat by a worse team that simply plays harder, focused more on the task at hand. And hell yes. Just plain wanted to win more. And make zero mistake. That is 100% absolutely what has happened tonight. And on several other occasions this season that has absolutely caused the end of the streak. Not bullshit excuses about being 5 for whatever from 3 or this guy's was out .. waaaa waaaa waaaa. The ncaa screwed us. Blah blah blah. Getting hammered by 20 plus all night to a terrible team. That's right. Terrible... Not even a remotely good basketball team. I have pride in teams that play hard and overachieve I.E. 2012... And thus will be realistic about the opposite type of team. Hence. Embarrassed

nwhawkfan said:

Remember when we used to have only one or two awful performances per season?

Last year was a struggle for about an 8 game stretch starting with washington...everybody was having career nights.

Career high for Dave with 15?

bmensch1 said:

nwhawkfan said:

Remember when we used to have only one or two awful performances per season?

Last year was a struggle for about an 8 game stretch starting with washington...everybody was having career nights.

Yeah, but in those games at least we put in the work.

@cragarhawk Well when we're forced to rely on guys who are not starters or even close to top ten team type players, these are the games we're going to get. I don't want to get into a peeing match with you, so you've had your say. My last word is I'm proud as heck to be a Jayhawk fan for the last 30+ years. I know you are too. RCJHKU

Fran just shaking trying to hold in his excitement.

Nice while it lasted.

it lasted a long long long long long.... time

@wissox we're all entitled to our own view bud. I respect you. But I don't buy that at all. You think Bill had top ten talent at Tulsa and Oral Roberts? How did he take those teams so far? It wasn't talent. It was fundamentals, defense, and effort. I don't care if this team loses. I'm not embarrassed by losing. It speaks to the character of team, the players, and the coaches to lose in that manner. That's my view

Streak is done...now, let's win the NCAA Championship and put our little boards ongoing argument to rest!

bskeet said:

Fran just shaking trying to hold in his excitement.

He peed his leg. Was it left or right?

@Bwag both

8 assists on 27 made FG. This team is easy to defend when they don't share the ball like tonight. It's been a problem all season for KU. They have very seldom assisted on 50% or more of their made FG's this year.

When that happens, it makes a team extremely easy to defend because there is no ball movement.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@Bwag both

Short...right down the middle!

@Bwag yes

@Texas-Hawk-10

yes. They especially seem to forget how to pass on the road.

Very very proud of the streak. It was a phenomenal run. It's sad to see it end by losing to subpar teams rather than someone who is just plain better. But even more sad to see that it will probably actually end a year shy for ncaa violations.

Gotta get Dotson back on track and see what will happen in the tourney(s). With these freshmen, I'm just going to enjoy what's left of the season. Big Dave is coming along. Keep in mind, we would probably have at least 5 more losses if this was our team from day one (No Doke, No Vick)

@cragarhawk we are a subpar team, dude. Not a subpar PROGRAM, but this particular team has 4 freshman starters.

Welp, I stand by them when they win and I'll stand by them when they lose.

They need to find their mojo soon if they want to find some silver linings in this season. I'll keep watching and hoping there's a rabbit up Self's sleeve.

Jay Williams gave KU a standing ovation for the streak. First time I can remember KU getting a non-condescending standing O after an ass whoopin’

I think the most frustrating thing is this team just never really got better as the tear went on. Clearly Dave is becoming more comfortable and has improved, but I’d make a argument that Grimes, Dotson, and Ochai have regressed as the season ( short season with Ochai) has gone on. That is just extremely out of character for a Self coached team.

I just don’t remember a team as fragile under Self. Obviously there is a lot going on around the program right now and I’m sure that’s part of it, but hoping up flat tonight with all that was on the line was sad to see.

cragarhawk said:

Very very proud of the streak. It was a phenomenal run. It's sad to see it end by losing to subpar teams rather than someone who is just plain better. But even more sad to see that it will probably actually end a year shy for ncaa violations.

I see what you mean, but if we are losing to subpar teams, then it means we built the streak by beating subpar teams. True, it's not the ACC or B10, but dissing the other teams unintentionally degrades the accomplishment.

If I'm not mistaken, of all the teams in the B12, OU is the only other that has reached the Final Four... They have a great coach. Yeah, their record isn't great, but their SOS is 10th.

We are not an experienced team this year. We're going to finish 3rd or so.. It is what it is.

@DanR we are subpar to the normfor this program yes. But we are not subpar to several of the teams we've lost to. Not even from a talent stand point. Look it up....

We lack many qualities that good teams have, talent not withstanding, but have failed to harness the controllable qualities of what makes a good TEAM.

4 freshman? Really? Sorry but that's an awful excuse. Look around the country sir... Clear back to the fab five.... And before anyone says "but they were paid" people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones

@bskeet no that isn't what it means. The streak was definitely accomplished by scratching and clawing for years against some stiff competition. And vs teams with players of the year and so on. It is not to diminish what's been done. It's how that actually was done. Lots and lots of effort. Which you didn't see largely this season. That's the point.

I mean seriously? This OU team is actually better than KU this season? And by 20 points? West Virginia is better than KU this season? Uh... No sir

Our 4 frosh are pretty comparable to the fab 5🤔

We got bailed out at least 4 times during the streak by other better teams pooping the bed.

cragarhawk said:

@bskeet no that isn't what it means. The streak was definitely accomplished by scratching and clawing for years against some stiff competition. And vs teams with players of the year and so on. It is not to diminish what's been done. It's how that actually was done. Lots and lots of effort. Which you didn't see largely this season. That's the point.

I mean seriously? This OU team is actually better than KU this season? And by 20 points? West Virginia is better than KU this season? Uh... No sir

Well, the evidence suggests we are a Jekyll and Hyde team.

At home things we can look great; on the road, we are not good... possibly bad.

But we will see soon enough how we perform on a neutral floor.

On the bright side, since the streak is over, the rest of the Big 12 will not "want it more" for the next 15 years. They can have their one-game home season championship against KU and then forget about the rest of the year.

Woodrow said:

Technically the streak was still alive win this game began. The effort and energy this team came out with is a embarrassment to the KU program. If I was a former player I would be pissed off.

However, when you don’t really have any players that have bought into the program ( sans Mitch) not sure what you can expect.

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Such a funny saying for something you don't believe exists. Even though it's proven over and over again throughout time. SMH. You think wanting it more is a cliche? Or damn me... Could it possibly mean doing more of the things that actual win... Focus, effort, energy, scouting, practice, fundamentals.... Things of that sort. Nah surely those things don't matter. If I work harder than you that absolutely can't mean that I want it more. Lol. Ridiculous

Also, teams shot out of their minds against us this year. It's happened in passed years too, but it seems like every other game our opponent gets into the "can't-miss-from-3" zone and someone has a career night.. Maybe that's because our defense is bad, but maybe it's a bit of bad luck too.

@bskeet it's both but let us not forget that chance favors the prepared mind.

@cragarhawk If you're replying to me, yes, I think "want it more" is the stupidest cliche in sports. I've pointed out a few actual reasons why we played poorly, but if you think it's just that OU "wanted it more" then go be a coach and scream that at kids.

@cragarhawk I agree that chance favors the prepared mind.

I think @DanR equates "want it more" to doing all it takes to win, including having "a prepared mind". It didn't look like we were fully prepared for this game.

That's a rarity in the Bill Self era. I saw a few Roy Williams teams show up like that and he would call a time out, scream "dad-gum-it" and sub out all five starters.

@DanR I have coached plenty of kids, most of which would tell you they miss having me as a coach. It isn't about screaming. It's about getting the maximum potential out of them. We beat and competed with a helluva lot of teams that had way more talent than us. I suppose it was just luck by your standards. Or then there's that other option. We simply worked harder. Talent without effort will not beat effort with a purpose.

If that's not a thing... Then why the cliche Grande's every year "KU is everyone's Superbowl" "we always get everyone's best shot" blah blah blah bullshit. What does that mean if not that? It means they tried to work harder and work as hard as they could to beat us cause we're KU. Not "oh we bottled all of our luck up all year for this one game". I mean wth

It’s not even debatable that many times this year on the road KU came out flat, no energy, not prepared, etc...

Idk how to help anyone that thinks me working hard than them can't yield a more positive result. I mean that's the guy that shows up late to work, stands around half the day, and does nothing to improve his situation bitching about the neighbor who has a new truck, a nice house, a hot wife, and kids that aren't fuckups cause he actually has put effort into his life.

@bskeet I equate "want it more" with fans complaining, that's it.

I've never heard a player from any sport say, "well, I really didn't care about this game. I'm just here to get my degree in art history. I guess they just wanted it more." Goes off to smoke some weed.

Anyone that thinks this KU team plays hard should be checked into a mental hospital. Simple question: Teams that are playing hard seldom get beat down the floor? True or False? We got beat down the floor for layups at least 10 times tonight.

@DanR so you actually watched the game tonight. Decided that the KU players "wanted to win" as much as the OU players and then dismissed the result as OU was simply a better conglomeration of players. A better team. Is that right? Wow

I'll damn well be the first one on here saying our kids are playing their hearts out on the nights they do. So no. "Wanting it more" is absolutely not just something for fans to complain about. It's absolutely real. And it translates to everything in life. Far beyond basketball

@cragarhawk I'm not going to play the rhetorical game beyond this. I've said repeatedly that "wanting it more" means jack sh*t to players. It's a fan thing. Fans want it. They don't earn it. They don't work for it.

Did KState play hard in Lawrence last weekend? It looked like they were playing pretty hard to me. They probably even wanted it more (big goal for the season to beat KU at Lawrence). They might even have more talent and definitely more experience. How did they lose? It just makes no sense! Clearly "wanting it more" means nothing. Nothing.

@DanR KSU stood around on offense and didnt move the ball so no I dont call that playing hard. OU shot well yes but if KU just hustled down the floor to prevent wide open dunks and layups (which would've lessen that%) they would've had a chance to win. Read Jarred Hasse's book floor burns and watch tape of him then rewatch this game, I'll bet you'll change your mind. No team plays hard all 40 but playing hard for 4 wont win anything this time of year.

Oklahoma had some decent players before the Trae Young circus came to town. Lon's a Hall of Fame coach. Can't win em all.

@kjayhawks 10 times? For dunks or layups? Hmm . Bout 20 points there huh. Interesting.... Must have been sheer luck.

I mean if I was playing idk... Defense, and wanted to actually give effort I may have tried to stop the ball or get back in defensive position. But clearly wanting to do that isn't a thing. Obviously I should stand there like a bottle of piss and let luck and divine providence handle the outcome without trying to create a different result.

@cragarhawk I know right? The players cant control running back on defense. Wide open layups and dunks are like roulette, who knows where they are gonna end up.

@kjayhawks ya remember. Forrest Gump had it all along. Basketball is like a box of chocolates... You never what you're gonna get. So just be there and let the chips fall where they may. If you just do that... Somehow you'll be an elite program by the grace of God or something. Don't try. That's shits overrated. It really doesn't affect anything

I honestly get the feeling we dont win again til November. I could be wrong but I just don't see it happening.

Ahh, bitch-slapped by Oklahoma. How nice.
For those of you not paying close attention, this is an Oklahoma team that lost at home to Baylor by 30.
At the very least this team should be able to put up a fight on the road.
I laughed the first play of the game when Dedric gave up a baseline dunk for lack of give a shit.

— Grimes should feel lucky if he hits the rim from deep. There’s simply no telling where his shot will go.

— Ochai has hit the wall.

— We would have a chance most games if Dedric could start hot.

— Big Freaking Dave with an awesome left handed post move hook in the lane!!! Loved that.

— Big Dave is not a good rebounder yet. He needs some Hudy time.

— Grimes the Giant Pussy, Example 799: three minutes left in the first half...open (ish) lane on left of the rim for a dunk...weak, missed toss up layup thingy. Fail.

— Doolittle, player of the year! Oh, wait, no. Hmmm.

— Manek, player of the year! Oh, wait, no. Hmmm.

— OU was smokin hot early, and KU was ice cold.

— I kept thinking if we could get it to 10 by half or the 10 min mark, we had a chance.

— More Chris Teahan!

— seriously, why not more Chris Teahan? It’s not like he could be worse on defense, right? Vick played no D. Shoot the rock!

— I guess this is what happens to a team with four freshman starters.

— I know I’m currently blue, but I don’t see next year being much better.

— I would not be sad if anybody but Dotson and Ochai left this team.

— I remember way back in the day when OU came to town, me and my buddy would sneak down from the stands to check out the OU cheerleaders in the hallway. Smokeshows galore! A sight to see back then! :)’

— our defense needs work, or effort.

— The Streak is over...

One team played for their tournament life- the other cake walked it.

The guy that covers our local sports here and has been for 40 years, a KU grad and fan, said that was the most dead man walking team he had ever seen at KU. He said their body language before tip looked like a team that didn't want to be there at all.

@DanR I would really disagree. The "wanting it more" thing is really related effort and desire. Showing that in your play. It's what Roy used to refer to as "want to." It's evident with teams in dugouts, on the sidelines, and on the bench. Different teams have different character. This team is what @kjayhawks just mentioned when referencing a sports talk guy -- they looked like dead men walking. They really do sometimes. It's a state of mind. It's why coach Self tries to instill effort first and foremost. That guides the ship.

But I know what you're saying, I think. That our guys, in their minds, may really want it too. But it's the objective display that is really telling.

@DanR I disagree with you but I still you like you ole friend

I mean, part of it is that this team just doesn't have anyone good enough yet to lean on. Dedric is good. But he's not T-Rob good. Dotson isn't Sherron (yet). This team has nobody good enough to be a de facto leader. A closer. Someone who, when we get punched in the mouth, is capable of punching back.

This team is just simply missing that leader. I think they WANT to win. I think they try hard. I didn't once think that the team last night wasn't trying. They were just not good, and everything compounded upon on itself. A missed 3 with a long rebound was basically an outlet pass. And we had like 17 of those. We had a few nice drives, only to not see them go in the basket and that miss turned into a 4 on 3 break routinely. Conversely, they made shots, which forced us in to half court sets. We missed shots. They got the ball. And that was the cycle for the entire game. We couldn't finish a layup, much less hit a jumper. And, no matter how hard you try on defense, if the offense isn't there sometimes it doesn't matter.

But, again, I never thought anything about effort. I just thought "We kind of just plain suck at basketball."

Thought it was interesting the announcers talking last night and saying that the Oklahoma radio guy heard that the athletic dept at Oklahoma had gotten a message from EVERY Big 12 school wishing them luck to end the streak. - mercy some envious sniveling little Bitches out there - -to that I say - Hate the player - -no the game

To all those little bitches - -enjoy it boys - -as you hear them say -- Hell Even the Sun has to shine on a dogs ass sometime. - enjoy this ONE year , these little wanna be's have been waiting for this year. - -

Last night perfect Example - they were saying about what a large large group of Seniors playin for Oklahoma - -against our freshmen THIS TIME it was all you - - NEXT yr ? - -umm not so much