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Has anyone heard? Just thinking of what a nice 1-2 punch he and DeSousa could be while Doke is out.

The expectation is he'll be back. The Silvio news doesn't hurt those chances at all. Ditto RJ

FarmerJayhawk said:

The expectation is he'll be back. The Silvio news doesn't hurt those chances at all. Ditto RJ

Right... and the group psyche here seems to be a real "team unity" focus! Everything is pointing to all of these guys really excited to play together!

https://theathletic.com/996714/2019/05/28/what-devon-dotson-is-hearing-looking-for-as-the-nba-draft-deadline-nears/ ↗

Seriously worth the sub. But just to sum it up for you guys, Quotes from Dotson's dad are saying that he has heard a few teams interested in him at the top of the 2nd but nothing about being in the 1st round.

@Kcmatt7 so you think he will stay in?

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@Kcmatt7 so you think he will stay in?

They have said first round or bust this yr

If Dotson leaves and Grimes comes back, Grimes would have the opportunity to be primary PG, which he thinks is his best position.

Bill Self: KU freshman Quentin Grimes ‘probably as complete a guard as we’ve ever had’

... you all ready to hit the rewind button to that point?

@approxinfinity That works well with me repressing most of last season, so sure.

@approxinfinity no

There was a time before Dotson took over and Grimes withered on the wing that I was ready to see Grimes be the ball handler. I will meet you there.

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@Gorilla72

That would suck royally. Wed be subtracting a very good player for an average at best one

@BShark I'm a lil nervous, mainly thinking about next years pt's. Love to see him go before what's his name, not to be mentioned by me again!

To be clear, there are more pts in next years draft, and I want him to go higher than the one we just lost. Thought it might sound like I meant grimes. Nothing against him, I just don't think he wants to be at KU, or any school.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@BShark I'm a lil nervous, mainly thinking about next years pt's. Love to see him go before what's his name, not to be mentioned by me again!

Me too, next year would be rough without Dot and nothing is official until it is announced.

FarmerJayhawk said:

The expectation is he'll be back. The Silvio news doesn't hurt those chances at all. Ditto RJ

Re-upping.

FarmerJayhawk said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

The expectation is he'll be back. The Silvio news doesn't hurt those chances at all. Ditto RJ

Re-upping.

Hopefully that expectation is reality

@BeddieKU23 - hope springs eternal. Q did well at point in FIBA games.

@Gorilla72 he was gold all the way around! He did say during the combine, he only showed 50% of what he could do while at KU👀 🤬 not a good look, or smart thing to say in my book. He dove on the floor, so he wasn't protecting the goods, so beats me! I'm not begging him to come back.

Gorilla72 said:

@BeddieKU23 - hope springs eternal. Q did well at point in FIBA games.

In High School yes. In College the product was less then appealing. I cant imagine even if he comes back and Dotson didn't that he'd be the choice to run the team. His passing and vision was suspect at best most of the season.

Newell has a good piece up on the Star. Devon is still a second round pick. He'll come back without a guarantee of money.

@FarmerJayhawk Yay

@BShark Don't sound so enthused my dude!

@FarmerJayhawk Probably but not necessarily. Dana Dotson is quoted in a Star article saying that 92% of the top 22 picks in the second round received guaranteed deals. I did not know that either. That is almost everyone... I guess it comes down to how much you want guaranteed.

@Woodrow they must really want to go.

Woodrow said:

@FarmerJayhawk Probably but not necessarily. Dana Dotson is quoted in a Star article saying that 92% of the top 22 picks in the second round received guaranteed deals. I did not know that either. That is almost everyone... I guess it comes down to how much you want guaranteed.

For sure. I think the back half of the second round usually only gets a year, which isn't a ton of money comparatively. I think the minimum full season salary is around $800k, and there's a really high probability he'll spend a lot of time in the G League, where the pay is even less if his deal is a two way.

Do we know what time tomorrow decisions have to be turned in?

The odds are small that coming back to school would hurt him, the odds are very high that another year at KU will greatly help him.
He wants to be a high draft pick ? Get yer arse back to KU.

I read where the Dotson family was upset over a story a week ago saying he would be back. They adamantly denied they had made any decision at all. I mean...if Dotson doesn't come back, i'll bet we'll see Derryck Thornton's name come popping up. Ugh...

KUSTEVE said:

I read where the Dotson family was upset over a story a week ago saying he would be back. They adamantly denied they had made any decision at all. I mean...if Dotson doesn't come back, i'll bet we'll see Derryck Thornton's name come popping up. Ugh...

Whoever started that rumor needs to disappear...

As for Thornton, not in any universe. I'd run Garrett out at the PT over him.

@KUSTEVE

I'd let doke be pg before thornton

Thornton...Thornton...Thornton...Just the name evokes primal screams from the audience...lol. 2 to 1 his name pops up if DD flys the coop...Book it, Danno...

Fightsongwriter said:

Do we know what time tomorrow decisions have to be turned in?

I believe it’s midnight eastern tomorrow. I expect him to announce some in the morning. I’m sure they will make the decision this evening.

@Woodrow

More from the article that talks about how more and more second rounders are getting guaranteed contracts and thus deciding to stay In the draft

“...That doesn’t mean it’s always the right decision to forego remaining eligibility. These salaries are big, but they aren’t life-changing and certainly don’t amount to the kind of money that would allow a player to avoid having to work once their basketball career comes to an end. What it does is muddy the waters, and make it that much more likely that a borderline first round pick would opt to enter the NBA draft.”

Fightsongwriter said:

Do we know what time tomorrow decisions have to be turned in?

I think they have all the way till midnight -- I think

Here’s more fun about NBA second round picks
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@Woodrow thank you.

Just found this

The deadline for college players to remove their name from the 2019 draft pool if they wish to return to school is 10:59 p.m. Central time Wednesday.

Heard an interesting rumor about Grimes returning to college but transfering to Arizona State.

kjayhawks said:

Heard an interesting rumor about Grimes returning to college but transfering to Arizona State.

That would be a weird choice. ASU has Remy Martin, who's a really good PG. Probably a 4 year guy too since he's maaayyybe 5'11.

@FarmerJayhawk It would be really weird, but Grimes also isn't a PG.

@kjayhawks Exactly. I would think the reason he'd transfer is to play PG. I've about given up figuring out what those folks want.

@FarmerJayhawk no lie lol

Kinda curious as to why Grimes would transfer. He would have to sit a year. He can play at KU....

Gorilla72 said:

Kinda curious as to why Grimes would transfer. He would have to sit a year. He can play at KU....

His circle still firmly believes he is a PG and that Bill mis-handled him is my understanding of the situation.

Odd .. if Grimes thought he should be playing PG, he committed to KU after Dotson committed. Not sure what his camp thought.

HighEliteMajor said:

Odd .. if Grimes thought he should be playing PG, he committed to KU after Dotson committed. Not sure what his camp thought.

This was the main reason Marquette thought they had a chance. But Bill did a great job selling Q on the program. It's too bad Grimes was just so damn slow and it was such a huge adjustment for him to play off the ball.

From a very recent 247sports article:

“...For now, Parrish listed Dotson under his expected returnees, while backcourt mate Quentin Grimes is in the “definitely gone” section despite Grimes’ lack of an official announcement to this point.”

Good !! my always very active dislike of grimes and his parents (or just his dad) keeps growing by the day. Let us only hope we can learn in future recruiting from this.

Yeah, that’s it !!! self just didn’t use you right Quentin! otherwise you would be a first-rounder!!

Why wouldn’t Grimes just go overseas for a year and re-enter the draft next season? He’s not really nba material unless we truly only saw 50% of what he can do. Cough * bullsnit cough *

Grimes will never be NBA material. The Michigan State game aside (which also didn't impress me due to them playing off the ball thinking that he could and would drive), I knew it after only a few games - a slow mover both with and without the ball, hesitant while trying to decide on his shot, shoddy defender at best.

HighEliteMajor said:

Odd .. if Grimes thought he should be playing PG, he committed to KU after Dotson committed. Not sure what his camp thought.

Yeah very good point. Their fault from the beginning. And Dotson beat him out for that spot.

Great coaches like Self break you down and build you up. Some players break early and build early(Dotson), some break early and take half a season(Oubre), and some break and need more than 1 season to really get it. I'd put Grimes into that last category. Of course, his mental makeup inst going to allow himself to be coached long enough to maximize his overhyped ability.

BigBad said:

Great coaches like Self break you down and build you up. Some players break early and build early(Dotson), some break early and take half a season(Oubre), and some break and need more than 1 season to really get it. I'd put Grimes into that last category. Of course, his mental makeup inst going to allow himself to be coached long enough to maximize his overhyped ability.

Some break entirely and never recover (Bragg).

@BShark that had nothing to do w/coaching, IMO

Dotson was previously scheduled to do a workout for the Kings today and is no longer reported as going to be there. :pray_tone2:

BShark said:

Dotson was previously scheduled to do a workout for the Kings today and is no longer reported as going to be there. :pray_tone2:

Maybe/Hopefully

BShark said:

Dotson was previously scheduled to do a workout for the Kings today and is no longer reported as going to be there. :pray_tone2:

So he either is coming back or got a guarantee.

FarmerJayhawk said:

BShark said:

Dotson was previously scheduled to do a workout for the Kings today and is no longer reported as going to be there. :pray_tone2:

So he either is coming back or got a guarantee.

REALLY NOT LIKING THE SECOND POSSIBILITY

Everything I read was that he was supposed to fly home yesterday and didn't have anything planned for today as far as workouts.

I read the Athletic article with quotes from NBA personnel and the consensus seems to be that Dotson’s a late second rounder at best.

Shooting and distribution need to improve dramatically for him to stick in the league.

That said, it’s hard to see D leaving unless he desperately wants out of college ball. Guess I don’t understand why the decision is going down to the wire when it’s apparently a no brainer.

Really...
if he come back to college he will eventually be a first rounder. What I’m guessing is happening is that teams are dangling some guaranteed numbers at the dotsons... teams need role players and low paid bodies and are willing to take a gamble on guaranteed contracts, but usually these are guys in the top 50. Dotson is not currently in the top 50, and would obviously benefit from more Hudy and more D1 level competition, As well as lots of TV exposure with Kansas

BShark said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

BShark said:

Dotson was previously scheduled to do a workout for the Kings today and is no longer reported as going to be there. :pray_tone2:

So he either is coming back or got a guarantee.

REALLY NOT LIKING THE SECOND POSSIBILITY

What if I told you it's more slim than the possibility of me becoming a dook fan?

From Bossi, "FWIW, I was told last night that the possibility of Grimes returning to Lawrence had increased quite a bit in the last 24-48 hours. Not saying he will (though we will know soon enough) but this time yesterday I would have put his chances of return at slim and none with slim out the door."

@FarmerJayhawk At this point I'd be okay with running it back. Would rather have Walker than Grimes but ya know a bird in the hand these days.

I would love to have Grimes back assuming he gets the right people in his hear and gets his head on straight. There's no doubt he's incredibly talented, we've all seen it. Just needs to be motivated in the right way.

And the crazy thing about it is Grimes is only 5 months older than Walker.

Grimes coming back makes all the sense in the world for both parties at this moment.

Kcmatt7 said:

Grimes coming back makes all the sense in the world for both parties at this moment.

100% agree. At this point it's almost like seeing your ex later on and you're both single and bored so might as well get back together for awhile just for gits and shiggles

My gut is we get one or the other, but not both. Not based on any info since everyone is currently in the dark, but would make sense.

I dunno the longer this goes today - the more nervous I get , makes me think this is a lot harder of a decision for him to make - -& that's not good.- - He wouldn't be the type of kid as to where he doesn't make an announcement and just automatically stay in the draft would he without telling us anything? - -I sure wouldn't think that is the case - -but man after the way this year has gone - anything is possible I think.

Another thing , seen the post about how in the last 24-48 hours there has more talk in the Grimes camp about him seriously coming back to KU - - he hasn't made any announcement either. - -

Question - -now just hear me out on this , you don't suppose do you - you don't possibly think that maybe - - JUST MAYBE he is holding out - -waiting to see or not IF Devon stays in the draft or not do you? - -MAYBE - - MAYBE he just waiting to see - If Devon sticks in the draft - -Quentin wants to come back and run PG - - MAYBE ?

Hope Dotson made an epic video like Anthony Cowan hot damn: 🐦 View Tweet

Cool! Nobody more disappointed than d dot!

When will we know?

approxinfinity said:

When will we know?

Soon trademark patent pending

approxinfinity said:

When will we know?

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I heard soon

Slant tweeted the family has taken a break. Still no decision.

BeddieKU23 said:

Slant tweeted the family has taken a break. Still no decision.

quick fingers lol - -just beat me too it - -Family taking a break will talk more in a bit. - -I don't like that , - -I think when it's all said and done now - - Devon is Gone

Who is holding him back? Mom, dad, d dot?

We'll lose Devon, and then Q will announce he's coming back to play point guard...ugh...

I've got an announcement to make....I just saved money by switching to Geico.

Reading all scouts recommended going back to school. Didn't think he would go til late 2nd round.

It appears to be a hard decision. No guarantee? Early 2nd? So much to weigh!

@Crimsonorblue22 Hope he listens to those scouts:pray_tone2: :fingers_crossed_tone2: :fingers_crossed_tone2:

Are we looking for white smoke?

@Fightsongwriter No, we're looking for crimson and blue smoke:grinning:

Well... We'll know in the next 5 hours.

KUSTEVE said:

We'll lose Devon, and then Q will announce he's coming back to play point guard...ugh...

As much as I hate it buddy - that is what I'm starting to feel. - -I posted earlier that I wondered if the reason Grimes hadn't announced yet was he was waiting to see what Dotson was going to do. - If Dotson comes back - -Grimes is Gone whether transfer or stay in the Draft - -If Dotson stays in the draft -I'm just wondering Maybe -Just Maybe Grimes comes back cause he is wanting to run the point

wissox said:

I've got an announcement to make....I just saved money by switching to Geico.

Lmao - - now you stop that lol

Must be really on the fence about what to do?

2 of the last 8 left undecided. Par for KU 2019.

Why???
... The last minute??

Really?

Jerk move

@Bosthawk I disagree. The deadline is not until midnight.

KUSTEVE said:

We'll lose Devon, and then Q will announce he's coming back to play point guard...ugh...

Worst case scenario rather have neither then just q

@BeddieKU23 I'm kind of hedging that a bit. We've seen many guys come back and improve their game in the past. This article makes me ponder :

https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/Feature-Quentin-Grimes-emerging-for-KU-basketball-as-Bill-Self-saw-129697270/ ↗ ↗

@KUSTEVE

So, you surmise that he is still weighing offers?
He’s had weeks... he needs a few more hours??
... Unless he’s fielding calls from nba people right now

Maybe Devon will wait until 11:59:59 to declare and leave Q no time to say he's coming back.

BeddieKU23 said:

KUSTEVE said:

We'll lose Devon, and then Q will announce he's coming back to play point guard...ugh...

Worst case scenario rather have neither then just q

You’re a harsh man ...

@Bosthawk The phrase "jerk move" would not be what I would personally use to describe the biggest decision of their lives. I feel they have more skin in the game than we do, and if they want to take as much time as they need to make their decision, then I'm certainly ok with that.

well...I'm glad Tucker didn't provide false hopes! come on Dotson!

@KUSTEVE
Good point... it’s just that, if it’s such a big decision, he would have DECIDED IT by now. Unless he is still fielding calls from people, including overseas reps, this decision has been done. His draft stock is not going up in the next hour.

@Bosthawk It's not just the kids that are running the show. Maybe him and Dad don't see eye to eye on the decision. I'll bet you he wants to come back, and Dad wants him to stay in the draft.

Rayjon Tucker is staying in the draft....LMAO.....nice get, Memphis!!!

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Three guys who can really change the college hoops landscape next season:

Devon Dotson/Quentin Grimes
Jordan Nwora

Grimes was considered gone, but considered a second-rounder (at best) and could wind up coming back to KU.

Dotson and Nwora are toss-ups.

HighEliteMajor said:

BeddieKU23 said:

KUSTEVE said:

We'll lose Devon, and then Q will announce he's coming back to play point guard...ugh...

Worst case scenario rather have neither then just q

You’re a harsh man ...

It was a bit harsh and I was a huge supporter of his coming in. Maybe I've written him off too soon. However something just feels off about this situation. Hopefully everything works out

Grimes is withdrawing from the draft??? No word on transfer tho

I won't feel burnt if Q comes back and gives it his all. I will feel burnt if he's a distraction. We cannot have another Vick this year. We need focus and clarity of purpose.

If Grimes comes back to KU...which I think he will because of sitting out a year...that would be great for the mighty Jayhawks!!!!!! Or he could pull an RJ...then, I won't care for him anymore

Quentin is back....with us???? not sure....

Where do you see he withdrew?

approxinfinity said:

Where do you see he withdrew?

It was just announced just now

Like, show me the source so I can follow along?

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Kansas guard Quentin Grimes is withdrawing from the NBA Draft, a source tells @247Sports. Averaged 8.4 PPG, 2.5 RPG & 2.0 APG this past season.

Don’t pop any champagne yet...

@approxinfinity scott chasen....

thanks

Q coming back leads me to surmise that DD is probably staying in the draft. I'm not sure Q would've come back if DD did, in light of his wanting to play PG .

Q withdrawing does not mean he’s staying with Kansas.

Bosthawk said:

Q withdrawing does not mean he’s staying with Kansas.

That’s how I read it as well. Daniels tweet did not say withdrawing AND returning to KU....

This is too funny

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So thinking more about Grimes. Could this be some BS where he transfers to say Texas A&M and applies for a special waiver so he can immediately play next year?

@Bosthawk So you think Q is going to commit to staying in college for 2 more years? I don't see that happening at all. Could it be possible? Maybe a 1% or less chance he transfers...

KUSTEVE said:

@Bosthawk So you think Q is going to commit to staying in college for 2 more years? I don't see that happening at all. Could it be possible? Maybe a 1% or less chance he transfers...

Malik Newman did it.

dotson news is coming!!!

@FarmerJayhawk The ONLY way I see him doing that is if DD comes back. The guy wants to play PG, and we need a PG.

Devon is coming back....rest easy fans...rest easy. We're all good now!!!!

Wooooo he back

and Grimes is coming back!!!!!!!!

bmensch1 said:

and Grimes is coming back!!!!!!!!

Not announced yet officially

DOTSON IS BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hallelujah!

Ok...so maybe Q DOES transfer...lmao....

bmensch1 said:

and Grimes is coming back!!!!!!!!

Transferring is most likely trust me.

@KUSTEVE
From what I’ve heard, ok mostly on this site, is that Q
And his dad Think he is not being utilized correctly here.

Good riddance

THANK GOD.....

Who heard???
Official??

Dd is coming back

PHEW

we dodged a big one there....

@BShark Jeff Goodman didn't confirm his source before he stated. He's deleted his report pretty quickly.

DD announced via Twitter. He’s back! “Unfinished business!”

Grimes too!

Bosthawk said:

Why???
... The last minute??

Really?

Jerk move

NO, - -not any Jerk. - -The kid was having a tough time deciding? - played better in the Combine , possibly changed things a bit. - No matter - - -HE IS BACK

Yep, Dotson's back.

https://twitter.com/d_dotson1?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor ↗

bmensch1 said:

@BShark Jeff Goodman didn't confirm his source before he stated. He's deleted his report pretty quickly.

Didn't even see a tweet. Believe Grimes will transfer based on everything I know about the situation.

Wow. Huge news.

Gorilla72 said:

DD announced via Twitter. He’s back! “Unfinished business!”

Grimes too!

Grimes just announced he is withdrawing from the draft that's it.

It doesn’t sound like Q will be back. I bet his family will sit down with Self in the next week and see if they can come to some agreement, but I bet he transfers.

We have two more schollies? Grimes or another combo and Jalen?

KUSTEVE said:

@Bosthawk So you think Q is going to commit to staying in college for 2 more years? I don't see that happening at all. Could it be possible? Maybe a 1% or less chance he transfers...

could be he is going to go over sea's and collect a little green play a couple of years - -work on his game , come back Home and enter the NBA draft in a couple of years

More are reporting Grimes will be back

Gorilla72 said:

DD announced via Twitter. He’s back! “Unfinished business!”

Grimes too!

Grimes stated unfinished Business too?

Don't think grimes is official, that he's back at KU

approxinfinity said:

We have two more schollies? Grimes or another combo and Jalen?

Ideal scenario now would be - - Jalen -- -& my Man Kyree. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

BeddieKU23 said:

More are reporting Grimes will be back

Back at KU?

Silvio tweeting Grimes is back but I’m not sure he would know.

Grimes transferring

Q is gone. well...It was nice knowing you

Well there you go..Matt Tait just said Grimes is transferring....

Ok so Kyree - -Come on down buddy

@jayballer73 i missed that one... i'm surprised he would do that...

Jalen Wilson and Walker time.

@KirkIsMyHinrich NEXT>>>>>

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Statement from Self

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Jalen Wilson and Walker time.

we got to started pushing the pedal - -Would love to have my boy Kyree at the 2 - he is a beast

I would hope guys we don't stat bagging on Quentin - -just didn't work out - doesn't mean he is not a good kid - just didn't work - wish him the best - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

So Q goes from a OAD to a 3 year guy.

KUSTEVE said:

@jayballer73 i missed that one... i'm surprised he would do that...

What did you miss buddy? - -surprised who would do what? - -sorry kinda thick lol

I ask those “once a Jayhawk, always a Jayhawk” folks — what you say now?

Q?

HighEliteMajor said:

I ask those “once a Jayhawks, always a Jayhawks” folks — what you say now?

Q?

Best of luck to him, sorry it didn’t work out at Kansas.

I told y'all Q was transferring, my sources are usually spot on.

@HighEliteMajor He's always a Jayhawk. I will not forget the season where he shot 38.4% from the field and played no defense. I wish him luck wherever he goes.

HighEliteMajor said:

I ask those “once a Jayhawk, always a Jayhawk” folks — what you say now?

Q?

Quentin is STILL a Jayhawk - and always will be. - -I just posted hope we don't start dogging on him - -not saying you are HighElite - just don't want to see that - -not a good look. - -Quentin is a good kid - just didn't work out

Quentin is a good kid & hope things work for him where ever he lands now - -He was a part of JayHawk Nation even if it was just the ONE year. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

FarmerJayhawk said:

HighEliteMajor said:

I ask those “once a Jayhawks, always a Jayhawks” folks — what you say now?

Q?

Best of luck to him, sorry it didn’t work out at Kansas.

Me too buddy , how it works out - -he will be allright

Would love to know the rationale for that one.....they really must feel he needs to get away from Self. Illusions of Grandeur, I think. Now he has to sit out. I do wish him well.

Bottom line is Grimes wasn't a great fit with this KU group. It happens. Don't forget that Malik Newman went to Mississippi St. as a projected OAD and ended up in college for three years after transferring here.

Right now a projected starting line up of Dotson, Garrett, Agbaji, De Sousa, and Doke.

If Enaruna does play next year, it seems like it'll have to be a the 3 because KU doesn't have much in the backc court right now. None of Enaruna, Braun, or McBride seem ready to play meaningful minutes out of the gate next year, but may have to due to lack of depth on the perimeter.

I'll say right now that I think KU will have the best front court in the country next year with the 4 pieces we have in place currently. Self definitely needs a guard that's ready to play now for back court depth.

@Texas-Hawk-10 KU will push to add Jalen Wilson and Kyree Walker. Both would immediately slide into the guard rotation imo.

No offense to Grimes but I'm not disappointed to see him go. Best of luck to him but I want guys that play hard and want to win, not stand on 3 point line and chuck up bricks. Hes one of the laziest defensive players in memory, even Vick showed more on that end. Hopefully he can figure it out between the ears, this ain't high school son.

kjayhawks said:

No offense to Grimes but I'm not disappointed to see him go. Best of luck to him but I want guys that play hard and want to win, not stand on 3 point line and chuck up bricks. Hes one of the laziest defensive players in memory, even Vick showed more on that end. Hopefully he can figure it out between the ears, this ain't high school son.

I wish him the best going forward but he was one of the worst starters in the entire B12 last year.

@jayballer73 i knew for a fact that Q was buh bye, but then I let my guard down, and read a soapy article about Q and his struggles, and got to thinking he would come back.Of course, I felt like DD was gone, gone, gone. So, the thought of him transferring didn't seem right, or even plausible with DD gone. But then DD pulls out, and a minute later, Q transfers. My question is...if DD had stayed in the draft, would Q be transferring? Could you imagine a Q/Marcus backcourt?

I'm thrilled with Dotson back. Frankly, I'd love another year where Grimes has to prove himself to the NBA--I still think he's a legit stud, but just has to get a big chip on his shoulder.

KUSTEVE said:

@jayballer73 i knew for a fact that Q was buh bye, but then I let my guard down, and read a soapy article about Q and his struggles, and got to thinking he would come back.Of course, I felt like DD was gone, gone, gone. So, the thought of him transferring didn't seem right, or even plausible with DD gone. But then DD pulls out, and a minute later, Q transfers. My question is...if DD had stayed in the draft, would Q be transferring? Could you imagine a Q/Marcus backcourt?

I was wondering about if Devon DID stay put - -Q come back so he could play the point - -But I don't know seems like a lot of , what is the word I'm looking for - -maybe just to much friction with all parties concerned - could of been a cancer in the end. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@BShark no question

@jayballer73 I think he was indirectly blaming us for his struggles. The truth is, he couldn't beat out DD for point guard. Very few players could've beat out DD- he's just too good. I don't know this as fact, but I get the feeling we had some pretty bad attitudes on the team last year. Maybe some entitlement issues were going on. Maybe some of the guys that outplayed Q weren't fond of him starting no matter what ... I'm not sure. But i do wonder if Q was the one coming back instead of DD if the team would've bought into the Q showcasing. I don't want showcasers...I want team players that care about winning. nothing personal against Q, but i cannot imagine him being our #1 option. Trae Young redux????

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@Texas-Hawk-10 KU will push to add Jalen Wilson and Kyree Walker. Both would immediately slide into the guard rotation imo.

I don't have a ton of faith in landing either or both guys at this point. With the way recruiting has gone this year, Wilson probably ends up back at Michigan and Walker ends up staying 2020.

I'm relieved Grimes isn't with us next year. Nothing on this roster jumps out as possible drama. Wish him the best. I think this is emotionally best for both sides. If Dotson had left and Q returned it would have been a strained marriage maintained out of necessity.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

BShark said:

@Texas-Hawk-10 KU will push to add Jalen Wilson and Kyree Walker. Both would immediately slide into the guard rotation imo.

I don't have a ton of faith in landing either or both guys at this point. With the way recruiting has gone this year, Wilson probably ends up back at Michigan and Walker ends up staying 2020.

KU or UNC.

Walker needs the grades is the biggest issue there.

I saw nothing last year to lead me to believe Q was anything other than what we did see. Good luck buddy.

The real larger issue is how we keep recruiting these guys. Guys who, with their families, are solidly deluded. Guys who, With their families, are not good fits for KU for a whole lot of reasons.

Maybe other schools have had the same challenges, but Man! We seem to have a solid list of busts. Brannon, Cliff, Preston, Vick (who was not a classic bust, but... ) who’s the guy who smoked pot all the time? please feel free to fill in more names here

Yikes

Bragg

Bosthawk said:

I saw nothing last year to lead me to believe Q was anything other than what we did see. Good luck buddy.

The real larger issue is how we keep recruiting these guys. Guys who, with their families, are solidly deluded. Guys who! With their families! are not good fits for KU for a whole lot of reasons.

Maybe other schools have had the same challenges, but Man! We seem to have a solid list of busts. Brannon, Cliff, Preston, Vick, (who’s the guy who smoked pot all the time? please feel free to fill in more names here)

Yikes

Honestly, Greene was fine. He contributed to wins.

Grimes ended up being a bad fit but it's hard to turn down top 10 talent (perceived anyway) that is also a legacy.

Great news on Devon Dotson returning! Quentin Grimes was great against Michigan State. He is an excellent ball player and will continue to get better. Sad to see him go. From year one to year two can make a big difference.

Has Jaevin Cumberland signed yet? Have we talked to him?

Anybody heard anything from Vick?

Bosthawk said:

I saw nothing last year to lead me to believe Q was anything other than what we did see. Good luck buddy.

The real larger issue is how we keep recruiting these guys. Guys who, with their families, are solidly deluded. Guys who, With their families, are not good fits for KU for a whole lot of reasons.

Maybe other schools have had the same challenges, but Man! We seem to have a solid list of busts. Brannon, Cliff, Preston, Vick (who was not a classic bust, but... ) who’s the guy who smoked pot all the time? please feel free to fill in more names here

Yikes

Greene and Vick had mental health issues pop up at Kansas. Can't really prevent that.

I know the Bragg for Cunliffe deal didn't work out for either team...maybe a Grimes for Jaylen Fisher deal????

KansasComet said:

Great news on Devon Dotson returning! Quentin Grimes was great against Michigan State. He is an excellent ball player and will continue to get better. Sad to see him go. From year one to year two can make a big difference.

Stop the presses. Who is this @KansasComet? Nice to see you return.

Bosthawk said:

Anybody heard anything from Vick?

Yes, he’s in Memphis. Had pressing family business to attend to.

Anyone know for sure Self didn't just show Grimes the door? That's the usual M.O.

DanR said:

Anyone know for sure Self didn't just show Grimes the door? That's the usual M.O.

Mutual parting of ways.

KUSTEVE said:

Has Jaevin Cumberland signed yet? Have we talked to him?

wondering the same -still uncommitted -have we made contact with this guy?

I love Self’s comment about supporting his decision to transfer. That’s some backhanded support.

Well don't think it would be a reach at all guys. - Enjoy Devon THIS year because after that - -all bets are off. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

DanR said:

Anyone know for sure Self didn't just show Grimes the door? That's the usual M.O.

Divorces can be amicable. Sometimes things just don't work out.

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Damn. I'm actually excited about this team like 2011-12, only fearing injuries a lot less. No OADs needed. Plenty of pieces for Self to assemble.

@jayballer73 The guy shoots like Devonte and Svi from 3. I'm sure he's probably looking for a full time gig. I think I'd rather get a guy like him, and play Ochai at the 3 than going for Jalen. That way, we have experience added to the lineup, and Ochai would get a full year starting. That would give our starting lineup a lot of experience- something we didn't have last year.

@Woodrow That is hilarious....lol. Doogie Snotleib calls out Q...

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Doug probably thinks someone will get a steal. hehehehe

Telling stat on Q. 3.6 rebounds per 40 minutes played. Agbaji - 7.1 Garrett - 6.0 Dotson 4.5.

Effort.

@bmensch1 not sure you can transfer in the same conference

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@bmensch1 not sure you can transfer in the same conference

You can, you just lose a year of eligibility. I don't think it would matter for Grimes since he won't use all 4 anyway

@Crimsonorblue22 I didn't think so...the comment was made in jest.

For q to be guaranteed a pg spot...he needs to go to a team with better than avg players in a shitty conference...or his stats arent good enough...so...no sec, no acc, pac12...no exposure.

So, I'm thinking he goes to marquette or Wichita state. I'm thinking he follows markus Howard at marquette

I forgot about this till just now...but you know what grinds my gears....when Q committed, I watched some 45 minute intro of all his team members and some bs pomp and circumstance that his high school coach made me watch. And they started like 15 minutes late. I should've known then that this son of a gun was just another bragg. Cliff, did the old hat thing...to date, still the only "hat" selection I think ku won. In short, if a kid can't just do the normal thing and say I'm going to ku on twitter...my hopes for the kid are zero.

I'm a little bitter he's transferred. I'll still keep tabs and sort of root for him, but his story is screwy. He'll go into my micah downs and Connor frankamp file of "yeah, I remember you"

@bmensch1 i think very similar to Downs. Weird dad, not nearly as good as he thinks he is, transfers and fades away. I will bet grimes never makes the league. Good riddance.

@Fightsongwriter

I’m with you. I would take bets right now on whether he makes the nba or not. Quentin G-league Grimes at best. Rather than “good luck”, I’m definitely more “good riddance”
I’ve tried hard to adopt the “KU player for life” positive mentality that so many posters here have, but it’s not easy with some guys, and Grimes is one of them. He is a young man, and I suspect it’s his dad who is influencing him. I wouldn’t be surprised if his dad is already setting up meets with other programs, and compiling a list of expectations. “The ball has to go thru Quentin” ... “don’t expect him to play any more D than would be asked of him in the NBA “..

@bmensch1 Great minds think alike. I was writing a post about Q, Markus Howard, and Marquette, and the storm knocked out the power here for a minute, and then I just let it go. He wants to be Trae Young.

bmensch1 said:

I forgot about this till just now...but you know what grinds my gears....when Q committed, I watched some 45 minute intro of all his team members and some bs pomp and circumstance that his high school coach made me watch. And they started like 15 minutes late. I should've known then that this son of a gun was just another bragg. Cliff, did the old hat thing...to date, still the only "hat" selection I think ku won. In short, if a kid can't just do the normal thing and say I'm going to ku on twitter...my hopes for the kid are zero.

I'm a little bitter he's transferred. I'll still keep tabs and sort of root for him, but his story is screwy. He'll go into my micah downs and Connor frankamp file of "yeah, I remember you"

My favorite commitment lately might be McBride. He was doing an audio interview with someone (maybe Tait? I don't remember) and he was just like oh yeah I'm committed to KU. :joy:

Seems to me the KU staff and team really liked q. I don’t dislike him either. If he wants to play pt it’s a great idea to transfer. Just wondering if d dot stayed in, would q be our pt? I hope he does well.

Q might have played PG here if Dotson didn't return. I think we are better off not knowing what could have been there.

Have all of you forgotten that Grimes became more and more pissed when he would not be in the game for the entire second half of games and that we heard reports of his displeasure about not playing. Yes he started every game, but when he was off, he was too off to be trusted during crunch. My sister fell in love with him after the Michigan State game, we all did, then he disappeared.

@wrwlumpy agree.

@wrwlumpy spot on

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Cousy Award predictions. I'm not sure how I feel about Dotson being behind Jones, Hagans, or Nico Mannion who hasn't played a game in college yet.

@KirkIsMyHinrich :wastebasket: