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Horns down. We good.

Dotson is starting

@BeddieKU23 Yep.

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@BeddieKU23 I don't feel good about him.😩.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@BeddieKU23 I don't feel good about him.😩.

They say he looks good

Gameday is coming to Lawrence next Saturday.

Texas couldn't get the coach for KU right in the program.

Take a guess who they put

@BeddieKU23 Bruce?

approxinfinity said:

@BeddieKU23 Bruce?

Yupp

This game is never ending I hate the acc

Holy shit UNC is so bad.

Erwin is maybe 70% full at tipoff.

UNC not just running the clock out is a joke.

Turnover already

That shot is never going in so much indecision

Yeah this game will be a slog on both ends.

Shut up Fran

Davey Buckets game?

Good start for Dave.

Outside shot, steal, then an assist. Nice, Dave.

Nice play doke

approxinfinity said:

Good start for Dave.

Havent said that in a month

@BeddieKU23 Spin cycle :eyes:

BShark said:

Shut up Fran

Diarrhea of the mouth

As usual OSU SUCKS

Don't leave your feet Garrett

Yeah that was a horrible decision by Garrett.

Im looking forward to seeing Dokes stats at the combine. That length.

31% 3pt shooter pure because he was wide open.

How do they leave someone that wide open???

BShark said:

31% 3pt shooter pure because he was wide open.

Same but this time a 33% shooter.

Dot looks decent

Yup some nice plays

So I get that guarding the three line tightly is Yaklich's thing but man, inviting this KU team to drive ain't it.

We are taking it to the hole nicely.

Dot does look good enough, hope he looks this way the whole game

@BShark

We will take it.

BShark said:

So I get that guarding the three line tightly is Yaklich's thing but man, inviting this KU team to drive ain't it.

You are right.

Ochai very passive again. 4 starters have taken at least 2 shots each - none for Ochai. Self should run a couple of plays for him to get him going...

I thought ochai hit a 3.

No shots yet. He is going to have to take a drive or get him a lob to get him flowing

Huh. Damn. Imagining things.

@approxinfinity KU currently 0-1 from three. Just getting whatever we want at the rim.

Tried one there...

@BeddieKU23 Yeah just wondering if they adjust at some point.

Trey balls keeping Texas in it

Damn

Guys need to take shots. So timid

@BeddieKU23 Biggest issue for Braun at this pt

3 straight turnovers

If you would have told me KU had 17 pts 10 minutes in I would have thought we would be leading. Yikes.

Self is pissed at Moss right now.

What an awful pass.

What kind of f pass is that

Wow

Much needed timeout the offense looks like shit

Sloppy play. Texas 4-6 from 3. If they stay hot, we're in trouble.

I thought UT had one of the slower tempos in the country and struggles to score???

"what is wrong with you?" Self to moss

DCHawker said:

I thought UT had one of the slower tempos in the country and struggles to score???

They do

HCBS not very happy right now.... ;(

@DCHawker Hot from three because Self doesn't value playing three point defense.

I think HCBS is looking to get T'd up...

More shit

Shaka 💩

Trash call

Should be 21-19 right now jeeeez

Not going to end wel

@BShark Totally bogus travel on Doke.

BShark said:

Should be 21-19 right now jeeeez

Doke shuffled his feet on that dunk. It was a good call.

@Texas-Hawk-10 Nah, watch it again.

Wtf the opposing coach gets to call travels. Get a T Bill

Too much dribbling on offense going no where, move the ball!!

BShark said:

@Texas-Hawk-10 Nah, watch it again.

I'm in the arena, he got the ball and shuffled his feet, it was a good call.

Not sure why Dotson stopped attacking. Had 3 early buckets and hasn’t been aggressive at all the last 4-5 minutes

@Texas-Hawk-10 That's not what they said after watching the replay.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I thought so too when the call was made. The replay showed otherwise.

We haven't scored in 4 minutes - 5 TOs and 2 missed shots since we hit 17....

If Shaka gets fired, he better not go into reffing

@DCHawker Interestingly enough, the two big line-up has been better today.

This offense really is offensive

@BeddieKU23 Playing into Yaklich's hands now. Back to two bigs and drive imo.

@BShark Not saying a whole lot right now...

@BShark Dave hasn't been bad, just redundant.

Good d

Cancel this lineup

They haven't scored lately

Crimsonorblue22 said:

They haven't scored lately

More than 6 minutes without a point...

Dotson should draw a 1 and 1 it would be smart

Missing dunks now

My god we suck

BeddieKU23 said:

My god we suck

Lucky that Texas has cooled off a bit...

Maybe Bill should draw something up for Moss to get a look

On a run 18pts, woohoo, then give up a bucket ugh

Both teams were bound to cool off tbh.

LOL

@BeddieKU23 looks like Bill Self's Wildcats are beating Lon Kruger's mountaineers

Agbaji can find the bus

I’m not sure that Ochai should even be getting minutes. He brings nothing to this team right now.

Woodrow said:

I’m not sure that Ochai should even be getting minutes. He brings nothing to this team right now.

And blew that defense to allow the open 3

Now 1 pt in over 7 mins.

Agbajis defense has been better than everyone's except Marcus's.

They've outscored us 13-1 since the 11:40 mark...

We have scored 1 point in 8 minutes, lucky it ain’t a 15 point game. Need to relax and run some offensive.

@approxinfinity not really. He’s given up two open 3’s on helping when not needed and also allowed his man to drive right by him for a easy two once.

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@Woodrow ok. In this game yeah. But for the season, 2nd best perimeter defender.

We run plays out of timeouts - why can't we regularly run set plays???

Cancel Garrett today

If that's our offense. Please Self let someone else coach today

Doke might foul out their front if he keeps this up. Be nice if it'd be And 1's though.

This is just bad basketball....

They have got every 50-50 ball.

Agbaji should not be playing

Have made one basket in 10 minutes...

Garrett missed moss for a 3

That's a foul

Coleman hasn’t even played the last 8 minutes with 2 fouls.

Well, we scored 2 more points in the half than we did against Baylor...

Start the 2nd half with Braun just for some energy.

We had a chance to be make it closer but screwed it up. We can make up 5 pts, but man do we need to not play so sloppy.

Lucky to be down 5 I guess. Not too confident though. That was a pretty uninspiring effort.

No clue why Dotson disappeared for 15 minutes.

That was ugly, we missed a ton of chances with Doke at the line. We just need to work the ball. Defense has been decent.

Mildcats killing the mountain boys.

kjayhawks said:

That was ugly, we missed a ton of chances with Doke at the line. We just need to work the ball. Defense has been decent.

Defense maybe gets to the decent level. UT has only hit 70 once against a real opponent (OSU). Couldn't get to 50 against Baylor or Providence...

I wonder if Shaka isn’t fouling Doke on purpose, it sure looked like it at times.

Woodrow said:

Lucky to be down 5 I guess. Not too confident though. That was a pretty uninspiring effort.

No clue why Dotson disappeared for 15 minutes.

you wanna talk about disappearing? - where the hell has Oachji disappeared to ? - -he has done nothing - -again. what's going on there he has got to step up

boy we just struggle to score 8 minutes plus without a field goal. - -that simply can not happen. - -26 points in a half lordy

Shaka is fouling doke on purpose! Don't know how long he can do that!

4 w/2 fouls

I don't know what Self is doing with this offense. Unless we shoot and make a few 3s, we are going to struggle to score points. We need to run set plays to get Moss and Braun (maybe Ochai) some open looks from the corner and wing.

Doke cant make free throws so it's a strategy he can use all game

@Crimsonorblue22 shaka has a stable of too 100 croots. Swoosh.

Damn it Moss

Ok now

Shaka what u calling?

Dokeus!

Damn Ochai

Simms 10 secs in the lane

Ochai is terrible

Ochai can’t make a 5 foot shot

@BeddieKU23 feels like grimes 2

Doke the savior

Good patience by Doke. We take the lead.

@Crimsonorblue22 Nah, Ochai tries.

Och has no confidence though!

Big response

BeddieKU23 said:

Big response

Time to out tough a Texas hoops team. Shocking...

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Och has no confidence though!

Not trying to bag on him either his defense 98% of the time is great but he is so far away offensively. I guess it stems from him not being the man in high school until Sr yr. He absolutely needs to stick around and find a shooting coach

@BeddieKU23 don't think he is going anywhere. Tyon will fight for his starting spot next year.

@BShark

Maybe. Self clearly loves the kid. He just needs to stay and really drill confidence in his game

If Bill is serious about this game Tristan and Silvio never see the court this half.

All ball

Gotta foul sims before he can get the shot off

Bad defense to let Sims get the ball there.

@Hawk8086 Hectic possession. An eyelash away from stealing it on the pick earlier.

@BeddieKU23 I love him too, don't we all?

Other than the layup off the turnover, Doke is our entire offense. 3 dunks and short hook/jumper.

@DCHawker Yep. Only sub him out when he is gassed, and ONLY Dave.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@BeddieKU23 I love him too, don't we all?

Yeah I have to remember he was going to redshirt and he wasnt a highly regarded recruited player until the end. So I get he still has a ton of growth

LUCKY

No rhythm in that shot.

PLEASE get Ochai off the floor. What a stupid and awful foul

@Woodrow What on earth is he thinking there???! Let him try on Doke...if he gets it just move on to the next possession.

Fuck you ref

THE FUCK IS THAT NOT A FOUL?!

BeddieKU23 said:

Fuck you ref

Could you repeat that...

Self refusing to take Ochai off the floor tells us everything we need to know about what Self thinks of his bench.

DISGUSTING NON CALL ARE YOU KIDDING ME

Not legal

Do your damn jobs refs. Clearly you cant

Oh god fran just shut up

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Wow hit in the head and no foul, lost a little respect for Bill there, not standing up for his players on that one.

Big

Of course he missed

F You ref

Can’t fault Doke much but needs to make that

That's the shot we want.

No clue how Garrett is going to come back in. If that was me I’d be in a fetal position for hours !

Woodrow said:

Can’t fault Doke much but needs to make that

Yeah I will take that situation/look 10 possessions out of 10.

Woodrow said:

No clue how Garrett is going to come back in. If that was me I’d be in a fetal position for hours !

Dude is made out of rusty nails and super glue.

Mmm, Bill gets to draw up a play here to hopefully extend the lead.

Doke has made 7 of 9 shots. The rest of the team is 9 for 27....

@Woodrow

Tough man

Garrett's back on the floor thankfully

Jesse just summed up Dokes level of play. Hes playing at the highest level of his career

DCHawker said:

Doke has made 7 of 9 shots. The rest of the team is 9 for 27....

Taking this a step further, Dotson is 4-10. So non-Dot/Doke players are 5-17.

Keep aggressive draw fouls

Good pass from Dave. Man, Doke got hammered.

Fran u don't know

DAVEY BUCKETS

When was the last time Dotson made a jump
Shot??

Bad shot

Woodrow said:

When was the last time Dotson made a jump
Shot??

And they aren't close to going in...

Have Marcus play pt

WOW MOSS

DAVID

Dave got fouled too

DCHawker said:

Woodrow said:

When was the last time Dotson made a jump
Shot??

And they aren't close to going in...

Every single one has been short

Boooom

OK. 5 pt lead. Let's see if we can stretch it out so I won't be so nervous.

I think dot playing for next year?

Wearing them down slowly

@Hawk8086 I'm always nervous

@Woodrow Makes sense with the bum hip. Sucks for our already rough offense though.

Moss needs to shoot more

Crimsonorblue22 said:

I think dot playing for next year?

Good foul

Doke getting a nice rest here

Is it their ball?

Hawk8086 said:

Is it their ball?

Yes

@Hawk8086 Yes

@Woodrow

That's why you play 4 guards

Woodrow said:

Doke getting a nice rest here

Dave playing pretty well in this stretch too. I have my answer from earlier in regards to Bill taking this game seriously. No Tristan or Silvio in sight.

@BShark

Dave having a good game on both ends is what we need.

BShark said:

Woodrow said:

Doke getting a nice rest here

Dave playing pretty well in this stretch too. I have my answer from earlier in regards to Bill taking this game seriously. No Tristan or Silvio in sight.

Also no Braun...

@BeddieKU23 He is our second best big and it's not close.

@DCHawker If Braun isn't gonna shoot I can't blame him. Too timid in the first half.

@BShark

Silvio's minutes weren't bad either today. But when dave actually doesnt turn it over and just plays hard this is good

@BeddieKU23 All our bigs are better when they play their natural position: C.

Wow. Hope this stoppage doesnt change momentum

Some kind of medical emergency in the stands, going to be a little delay in the game.

None the less we can use the rest. Doke should be able to go the last 8

The emergency is by the UT bench, it's an elderly person that just got stretchered out.

@BShark yep no reason for Braun or Moss not to start.

@Texas-Hawk-10 Oh no. Hope they are okay.

We still can't make an outside shot - Moss' 6-8 footer only one of the half outside the paint - but we avoided TOs this half (hope I don't jinx) and we're doing a much better job of defending the 3 pt line...

@kjayhawks I would start Moss. Braun is going to be even more hit/miss. He was a lower rated FR and has already exceeded my expectations for this year.

Big Dave hitting them

Awful pass

Wow. Tough rebound Dotson.

How many times this year has this team had a chance to build a lead only to turn it over and the other team gets a easy bucket. So damn frustrating.

Dot! Don't help

Yeah, I jinxed it...

@Woodrow Every game I have seen!!!

Agbaji's awareness is terrible.

Bunch of junk

Yikes

Awful

Giving up dunks and layups and we can’t even get a shot off

I 'm sick of Sims getting an easy one underneath

Oh boy dave and Enaruna coming in

No kill in these Jayhawks at all. NONE!!!

That extended timeout has zapped all.life

My goodness why are we doubling a not big with his back to the basket outside of the paint

If we can't win this one, I don't think there is much hope of getting the conference crown back. Tough to see wins at WVU and TTU. Could lose one between OSU, TCU and KSU.

lol Shaka

Overruled - he is in the circle???

Good reversal on that call.

Good reversal ref.

Thank you

DCHawker said:

Overruled - he is in the circle???

That's what I saw.

He was in the circle all day

Big Clyde52 said:

Good reversal ref.

Only good call today

He was in the circle!! They need to make that reviewable, see they over ruled it now.

Wonder if Texas will start fouling Doke with next foul being 1-1

Albeit with better defense, Ochai risks turning into Grimes. 4 pts, 1-6 from the field, 0-3 from 3, 2 rebounds and zero assists...

Garrett, not Dotson Fran.

Clock on UT's end went out.

Woodrow said:

Wonder if Texas will start fouling Doke with next foul being 1-1

They should...

This is ridiculous

Fran needs to take a break

BShark said:

Woodrow said:

Wonder if Texas will start fouling Doke with next foul being 1-1

They should...

I agree. I’d do it 3 straight times

@Texas-Hawk-10 are you there buddy?

Only in texas

@Woodrow Would hope Bill would pull him for Dave after the first.

Fran doesn't match😩

BShark said:

@Woodrow Would hope Bill would pull him for Dave after the first.

Silvio actually the best FT shooter of the 3, by far...

@DCHawker Yeah but Silvio is unplayable.

West Virginia decided today was the day to let Bruce win a game

Dave's good

I'm good w/dot now

Finally !!!

Stop that

OH MY DOTSON

@Crimsonorblue22 u mean Fran?

@BShark matching?

I hate when teams burn the clock like that. Just run the offense and get a good shot

Killer by Dot

Why give the ball to Dave 30 ft out with under 10 on the clock???

@Woodrow especially us

That's not a foul

Omg

Close a damn game out. Goodness

Got to get a better shot!!!

Fran, no

We've struggled all year executing in the last 2-3 minutes of games...

God are we ever going to get a call inside

So, Garrett gets hammered no call, Moss reaches in a bit, whistle immediately.

Just thankful their execution is just as bad as ours...

@DCHawker doesn't help when we get fouled

Huge make it dot

Make FT's and we win.

If Self is not going to throw the ball into Doke he needs to get another shooter in the game.

CLENCHER

What a 2nd half response

Shaka keep fouling?

Gritty comeback!!!

Rock Chalk ladies and gentlemen!

Fran has droven, driven me insane this game. Ya'll complained about him for years and I finally saw the light. He acted like a Texas cheerleader.

40 points in the second half - and give up fewer than 30...

Good comeback. Big road win.

Another road win!!! We have arguably played better on the road than at home.

@wissox I was just smiling when he was basically begging Shaka to have them hack Doke.

@wissox I'm always right! He talks to much too, so full of info, I mean himself!🎈

Defense was solid again today, just wish we could hit a wide open 3, think dot and Ochai missed 3 of those a piece.

@Crimsonorblue22 I always thought he was full of sh-t

@kjayhawks 2-10 from three overall. Secretly Bill is happy.

kjayhawks said:

Defense was solid again today, just wish we could hit a wide open 3, think dot and Ochai missed 3 of those a piece.

2-10 from 3. Ochai 0-3; Dot 1-4; Marcus 0-2; Moss 1-1.

@wissox Fran did rag on the Texas players mid second half, called them out for lack of effort. He also called out the crowd for lack of energy.

Yet he still pissed me off several times. I just wonder if fans from other teams get as annoyed with him as we do?

@jessejayhawk agree! I can not stand him! He knows a lot of KU fans are on to him and he's tried to change, he just can't hide it!

@DCHawker I still think we should shoot a few more and make more lol.

@Crimsonorblue22 didn't his son play for tx?

No, was it osu?

Oklahoma.

@BShark thanks

Remember our walk on fell on his kid accidentally ? Or hit him?

He had another kid that went to Harvard as well I think.

Big win

@BeddieKU23 thought it was a fugly win but I'll take it

Now for 2 home games

WV and TCU go down!!!

@BeddieKU23 fun 2nd half, they cooled off. Dvring post game. Watching shocks vs grimes.

jessejayhawk said:

@BeddieKU23 thought it was a fugly win but I'll take it

Absolutely it was

Grimes doesn't start.

@Crimsonorblue22 thought it was one of the better halves that they have played this year

@Crimsonorblue22 mentioned this somewhere on here recently. He has been trailing off lately. SOFT.

I still want him to do good.

Especially today

@Crimsonorblue22 Wonder if his camp is still blaming Bill for his performance when he was given every opportunity here, never benched.

tundrahok said:

@wissox Fran did rag on the Texas players mid second half, called them out for lack of effort. He also called out the crowd for lack of energy.

Yet he still pissed me off several times. I just wonder if fans from other teams get as annoyed with him as we do?

The crowd part was justified, Erwin was maybe 70% full and dead for most of the game. If anyone has ever seen it or been in it, it's basically a giant concrete mausoleum. Moody Center should definitely be a big upgrade for them. A smaller basketball capacity and more modern look is something I'm looking forward to in 3 seasons.

He called it a hospital. Maybe after somebody fell ill? Jk

When did moss hit the 3?

Austin has some of the worst traffic control ever for postgame events. 🤬🤬🤬

@BShark maybe his daddy finally has accepted he ain’t Jordan. He started the honeymoon good down there against Haskell level competition.

Anybody see post game?

Braun playing 4 minutes. Self is sealing our fate here in typical Self fashion.

Some coaches play for March. Some don't. He doesn't. He's probably more worried about winning a meaningless conference title.

@HighEliteMajor Braun sucked today when he was in. I'm not afraid to criticize Self but Braun is not a huge factor in how far this KU team will go in the tournament.

@BShark I agree about Braun today but also see @HighEliteMajor That he doesn’t coach for March in the slightest. I was surprised that Tristan didn’t get many minutes with how inefficient Ochai and Braun both were.

Tristan was awful when he played. He has been bad lately. I'm not surprised that two freshman are not consistent. I wish our bench was better.

BShark said:

@Crimsonorblue22 Wonder if his camp is still blaming Bill for his performance when he was given every opportunity here, never benched.

Telling that HCBS wouldn't bench him, but Kelvin Sampson has. Grimes averaging 6-7 points over his last 5 games. Don't wish ill of the kid. Just ridiculous that he isn't close to one of the best players for Houston in the AAC, yet somehow HCBS was convinced that he deserved to play 30 minutes a game for the Jayhawks - all visual and statistical evidence to the contrary...

@DCHawker who was Bill going to play, Teahan? I guess Charlie Moore or KJ Lawson. All options sucked last year after Doke got hurt and Vick was told to pound sand.

Next year we might finally have a full roster. Though Bill will mainly play 6-7 guys as always.

This win keeps us in the race. Great to see... hoping we can get back to the vintage foot-on-the-throat-of-the-conference mode.

@BShark self has given those 3 chances, when they produced they got more time. Gotta be ready!

BShark said:

Next year we might finally have a full roster. Though Bill will mainly play 6-7 guys as always.

I'll just be glad to add a dam shooter.

BShark said:

Tristan was awful when he played. He has been bad lately. I'm not surprised that two freshman are not consistent. I wish our bench was better.

hell about the only time I seen Tristian today was as just about as long it took for him to tie his shoe's lol

@jayballer73 gotta hope for some internal improvement mostly. We gain Bryce but lose Moss. Braun, Wilson and Agbaji can make shots but we need them improved and healthy. Don't think Tyon is much of a shooter but he is a good player.

BShark said:

@DCHawker who was Bill going to play, Teahan? I guess Charlie Moore or KJ Lawson. All options sucked last year after Doke got hurt and Vick was told to pound sand.

Fair enough - although he was keeping him as a starter before the Vick implosion. Bigger issue is what does it say about our depth and recruiting when the almighty Houston Cougars can relegate him to the bench and be better off as a result...

@DCHawker today they said he was their #1 scorer til conference and now, #2.

@BShark I see Braun’s development as critical to our chances in March. Otherwise we have no 5th perimeter player. Dave will be irrelevant in many games.

@DCHawker last year was a very bad situation brought on by failed recruiting in previous years leading to a large influx of transfers. Charlie was a baffling take a terrible fit with Self as I stated at the time. KJ probably should have played more, imo.

To be fair Grimes did still play 23 minutes today.

There is also the unfortunate politik aspect. I think that was a factor here.

@HighEliteMajor part of it today was the opponent. This was a David game. He played well and got 20 minutes. There will be games, like you suggest where he isn't as playable, and plays mainly only as Doke's back-up. In these games there will be more perimeter minutes. Seems like Bill is maybe taking a hot hand approach with Moss and Braun. I'm not fully sure. Self definitely clenched today and did his usual play six guys in a big game thing. It's just who he is. Bill will never play a real 9 player rotation in games that matter. Tristan, Silvio and Braun all had a short leash today. Braun needed to be more assertive.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@DCHawker today they said he was their #1 scorer til conference and now, #2.

That is true - was their leading scoring at 13 ppg and just behind in second now - and averaging 30 mpg. But something is clearly amiss given that he is no longer starting and in his last 5 games his scoring totals are 10, 5, 5, 4 and 10.

@DCHawker oh, I agree w/u. I saw most of the game, missed a wide open bunny! Traveled. Made all or most of his throws. Playing not to screw up is an awful way to play.

BShark said:

@jayballer73 gotta hope for some internal improvement mostly. We gain Bryce but lose Moss. Braun, Wilson and Agbaji can make shots but we need them improved and healthy. Don't think Tyon is much of a shooter but he is a good player.

if we can get Ajbaji to improve and really work on his three this coming off season put him with Bryce , would be nice - there is times he just disappears though next year especially he can't disappear for sur, he will or should be one of the leaders his JR year. - -I have confidence I his 3 point shooting I think he will be fine. - He just going to have to work a little harder though to get that shot

@BShark Kind of a David game. But that’s really the issue. If we are half in on Dave 3/2, half in on 4/1, we compromise our ability to reach our peak one way or the other.

We have to stomach the bad and commit to Braun. Four minutes is a joke. We have no idea what the next 4, 8, or 12 minutes would have looked like. If Self didn’t play Braun because he sucked in his four minutes, Self is foolish. Really, Self played Dave because he thought it was best TODAY. Completely short- sighted. And Dave was so-so today. One nice stretch.

This goes to Self’s historical over emphasis on the regular season. What do we need to be in March? Does he really care about March or the precious Big 12?

We should play 4/1 ALL THE TIME even if it means a loss. All the time. We won’t get to the FF piece-mealing this. And we won’t get to the FF as a 3/2 team.

We need to try and perfect what gives us a title chance, and play the players necessary to reach our peak. My opinion.

Braun had 24 & 25 mins in the OU and ISU game

Right, but Self, myopically, plays him 4 today because of this useless game. How he sees winning today. This demonstrates the absurdity of the PT today. We have just one NC in his tenure. One NC in 32 years.

All we have to achieve that is of value is the NC. We’ve achieved everything else.

@HighEliteMajor so you think other coaches are playing subs who aren't playing well, just to play well in March-April, giving up wins now?

I think it's more important to keep guys fresh. If anything the heavy minutes Self plays his best players can grind them out a bit by the end of the season.

I think that it is a very regular occurrence that coaches play to perform in March. Duke and UK are two that plainly have done that. Nova the same. Gary Parish was on with Soren Petro last week discussing the same topic. Parish was saying he isn’t smart enough to criticize Self but pointed out the clear contrast in approach.

I’m focused on the 4/1. Dave and Doke together are a disaster. Today was the outlier. Look at the +/- posted by @BeddieKU23 this past week.

Would you agree that the more you do something and have experience, the better you can be? The answer is obvious. In fact, there are Self quotes in the past few years about how getting game experience is very important. Which is obvious.

@HighEliteMajor I fully agree that we should go to 4 guards. I’m a bit shocked that Self has not made this decision after the recent success with guard heavy lineups that we have had.

I can’t say I agree on playing to March. To me, you play to win every game and it appears that Duke and Kentucky do the same. I watched the Duke game yesterday and they basically played 6 guys the entire game. Kentucky went a little deeper but was predominantly a 7 man rotation. This seems consistent to me with most major programs. A couple of guys who thought they would be major contributors simply don’t get a lot of minutes.

Kentucky's minute distribution is incredibly similar to ours but that doesn't fit the narrative.

HighEliteMajor said:

Right, but Self, myopically, plays him 4 today because of this useless game. How he sees winning today. This demonstrates the absurdity of the PT today. We have just one NC in his tenure. One NC in 32 years.

All we have to achieve that is of value is the NC. We’ve achieved everything else.

Right Bill has ONE National Championship in his tenure. Yet in Comparison , how many championships does Calipari have at Kentucky during his tenure there? - Seems like Bill's One National Championship is against Coach Cal when he was at Memphis wasn't it?

People seem to wanna think that they just hand these Championships out an a silver platter. - There are so many things that have to fall into place to win a Championship. - -including right combinations, who's playing the best ball at the time. It's a crap shoot. Can you imagine how the people at Kentucky feel? As many top tier 5 * recruits they have had there since Coach has been there, and only ONE National Championship. They should of have had at least 2-3 right?

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I think that it is a very regular occurrence that coaches play to perform in March. Duke and UK are two that plainly have done that. Nova the same. Gary Parish was on with Soren Petro last week discussing the same topic. Parish was saying he isn’t smart enough to criticize Self but pointed out the clear contrast in approach.

I’m focused on the 4/1. Dave and Doke together are a disaster. Today was the outlier. Look at the +/- posted by @BeddieKU23 this past week.

Would you agree that the more you do something and have experience, the better you can be? The answer is obvious. In fact, there are Self quotes in the past few years about how getting game experience is very important. Which is obvious.

well with your reason that it is a very regular occurrence that Coach's play to preform in March and then point out UK, then I will again refer to UK since you was talking about that Bill had only won one National Championship , and I'm not saying that they don't but since you seem to bring up Kentucky as clearly playing that way again Has Kentucky won any more Championships then KU and Self? - -That would be big fat NO.

I think all teams in Basketball play to preform in March I mean isn't that the goal of the Season. Different teams play different ways. - You go with what is working for you - if it isn't working for you then you make a change. - Yesterday Dave and Doke worked Better , not great by any means but better then the other. Braun like they said looked timid again these last two three games he has been less & Tristian just looks totally lost right now to0. There are times Doke and Dave are disaster's then others they look playable , today was one of those days - looked better then the 4-1 TODAY. you play to match ups today was one of those days

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Still the #11 ADJO on Kenpom too. Offense is just down nation wide.

The problem is Dave is one of the 3 best players on the team. Bill has to get him minutes. Dok is the best player; he needs the most minutes possible. It’s hard to not pair them at some point during the game. Bill starts off that way to see how it goes then switches to a four guard lineup to feel it out. If KU has more than three good guards the 4-1 would be the obvious choice, but with the personnel it’s hard to be exclusive to one offensive set.

Funny how a stubborn, unchanging man’s unwillingness to commit to one offensive style has people’s cockles up. Dude can’t win.

@dylans

Interesting you think Dave is one of the 3 best players? Any reasoning behind that

dylans said:

Funny how a stubborn, unchanging man’s unwillingness to commit to one offensive style has people’s cockles up. Dude can’t win.

Except he's won 482 games at KU, 681 games overall as head coach.

@BeddieKU23 I'd probably put him 4th (behind Dotson, Doke and Garrett) but there is no doubt he is one of the five best players on the team. That's not even a question.

@tundrahok I believe Dylans is referring to the fact that no matter what Self does, some posters will never be happy.

@BeddieKU23 Advanced stats, PER specifically.

Top qualified players -

1. Udoka - 28.5

2. Dotson - 24.9

3. McCormack - 23.7

4. Garrett - 17.5

Maybe Elijah Elliot needs to play more he’s got a PER north of 25 too. Lol

@BShark I know. My comment was really directed at those other posters. Some people think only one game matters each season, the last one. If that were true, we'd miss out on a lot of joy along the way.

PER does tend to favor bigs by its nature. I think Garrett is a very important player for us. Agbaji has the potential to be good but he isn't there yet.

@BShark Garrett is more important. I just think Dave is better. Not necessarily better for the team, just as an individual. Garrett does more for the team, he might be the mvp, even though KU will only go as far as Dotson takes them.

@dylans Fair enough. It's kind of difficult to compare guards and bigs. Garrett, while injured, has really stepped up his game when needed in conference play. The only game he hasn't scored double digits was Iowa State when everyone was cooking.

@BShark It's also biased towards offensive performance. I'm actually pleased to see Garrett ranked so highly based on that stat. Shows how much his offense has improved this season.

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hmmm facts kind of seen to speak for themselves huh? we might not like it -- but who are we to ask I really think the 3-2 looks ugly a lot of times too but offensive tops big 12. - -guess you could look at THAT in two different ways though too , The Big 12 is pretty weak this year - hell I dunno we could go back and forth on these things all day I reckon

dylans said:

The problem is Dave is one of the 3 best players on the team. Bill has to get him minutes. Dok is the best player; he needs the most minutes possible. It’s hard to not pair them at some point during the game. Bill starts off that way to see how it goes then switches to a four guard lineup to feel it out. If KU has more than three good guards the 4-1 would be the obvious choice, but with the personnel it’s hard to be exclusive to one offensive set.

Funny how a stubborn, unchanging man’s unwillingness to commit to one offensive style has people’s cockles up. Dude can’t win.

Agree

tundrahok said:

dylans said:

Funny how a stubborn, unchanging man’s unwillingness to commit to one offensive style has people’s cockles up. Dude can’t win.

Except he's won 482 games at KU, 681 games overall as head coach.

and yet there are people that wanna challenge his decisions

jayballer73 said:

tundrahok said:

dylans said:

Funny how a stubborn, unchanging man’s unwillingness to commit to one offensive style has people’s cockles up. Dude can’t win.

Except he's won 482 games at KU, 681 games overall as head coach.

and yet there are people that wanna challenge his decisions

Always will be, but I’m glad as long as it’s not ugly. Keeps it lively in here!

dylans said:

jayballer73 said:

tundrahok said:

dylans said:

Funny how a stubborn, unchanging man’s unwillingness to commit to one offensive style has people’s cockles up. Dude can’t win.

Except he's won 482 games at KU, 681 games overall as head coach.

and yet there are people that wanna challenge his decisions

Always will be, but I’m glad as long as it’s not ugly. Keeps it lively in here!

love lively- -just not TO lively lol

Hi everyone. As bad as the first half was it got some what better ib the 2nd. The flow of the game was out of sync. At the 8 minute mark an older lady behind UT bench had a heart attack and play stopped for awhile and all the commercials didn't allow either team any rhythm. But the charge/block of Marcus was the game changer. I lucked out on my seats. 4 fans from Topeka who hated KSUcks as much as i do were behind me and 2 guys in front and 2 girls from Wichita next to me. Was fun when Devon made that 3 to seal the game as all the UT fans bailed. We sang the chant and it was beautiful. A young kid who sat next to me last year came by with his mom to say hi after the game!! I've met so many great fans over the years. I met Devon's uncle and aunt and showed them and another couple where they come out to get the bus and she told Devon when he came out to 'sign this nice lady's book' and he did! I got 3 media guides from HCBS earlier in the season so i had each player sign their page along with the coaches and even Gurley and Hanni and the team doctor i know. Hudy was around pregame and eas hugging everyone but Coach said he never got to talk to her when I was getting my picture with him. Did more videos than photos but it won't let me post here from my phone. Too big. Saw Dedrick and high fived all the Austin Spurs guys there with him.

@RockChalkinTexas - what an awesome day!

RockChalkinTexas said:

Hi everyone. As bad as the first half was it got some what better ib the 2nd. The flow of the game was out of sync. At the 8 minute mark an older lady behind UT bench had a heart attack and play stopped for awhile and all the commercials didn't allow either team any rhythm. But the charge/block of Marcus was the game changer. I lucked out on my seats. 4 fans from Topeka who hated KSUcks as much as i do were behind me and 2 guys in front and 2 girls from Wichita next to me. Was fun when Devon made that 3 to seal the game as all the UT fans bailed. We sang the chant and it was beautiful. A young kid who sat next to me last year came by with his mom to say hi after the game!! I've met so many great fans over the years. I met Devon's uncle and aunt and showed them and another couple where they come out to get the bus and she told Devon when he came out to 'sign this nice lady's book' and he did! I got 3 media guides from HCBS earlier in the season so i had each player sign their page along with the coaches and even Gurley and Hanni and the team doctor i know. Hudy was around pregame and eas hugging everyone but Coach said he never got to talk to her when I was getting my picture with him. Did more videos than photos but it won't let me post here from my phone. Too big. Saw Dedrick and high fived all the Austin Spurs guys there with him.

Boy sounds like you had a great time. I would of been in 7 th heaven. So glad you had a good time. - Your right the game was pretty choppy, sure hope the lady is ok - -bad situation , got heart conditions myself so I feel for her.

would be awesome to be able to meet Devons family and other things - -good for you again love seeing the opposing teams fans file for the exits. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@RockChalkinTexas 😎 that's so cool!💃 way to go girl! You are the queen of Jayhawk BB in Austin! I wish we could see pics, I couldn't send pics from my phone during the game at AFH. Somebody help!🆘 So from your perspective, there are no hard feelings from hudy? Seems so weird still!
At least we know Jayhawks can win ugly games. Thx for updating us! We miss you, hope all is well w/you and the girls. ❤️💙🙏

@Crimsonorblue22 I don't think anyone has a bad word to say about her and Coach told us when asked by someone that it was probably good he didn't talk to her (???) he said "No NO, She's got a great chance to do good."

But as I watched her throughout the game, I couldn't help but wonder if she gave them all our background stuff that she was privy too to steal a win. Guess it didn't work out the way she wanted. I did notice that by the time our team had come out and people were standing around I noticed her Jeep was already gone and that was barely 45 mins. after the game had ended. We did see that Haep guy and Sims and all KU fans told them good game. We weren't mean or anything.

I've tried resizing my photos and videos but not getting it done. How do I?

At the pregame met a fellow graduate (89!!!) of the Leavenworth Pioneers and he was telling me he was going to Morgantown for the first time. Lives 4 hours from there so didn't want to pass it up this year. Devon's uncle and aunt were from the Bay Area and I had swiped a Jayhawk cutout from the pregame and had brought one thinking I would get the guys to sign it, but instead asked his Aunt if she wanted one and she was so happy. That's why she told Devon to sign my book before anyone else. They were sure talkative and happy to see him bounce back. Very proud of all the kids. He winced several times coming back to bench after timeouts and you could tell in the first half he was still stiff.

Now Marcus's mom remembered me from San Antonio and she was standing the whole time Marcus was being worked on. You could hear him hit the floor (I was on that end behind our bench). Dr. Randall was out there too and when Coach came back to the bench you could read his lips....Marcus out. Enaruna get ready.

The place wasn't even sold out. Said in the paper today that there were a little over 11,200 there and there sure was a LOT of Blue.

I was the only one down there watching the bus when it came in and while waiting Fran Fraschilla came out of his car and into the ESPN trailer. When he came out, he looked my way and took off in the other direction. Before the game, he walked out to half court and talked to Hudy (who was doing warm ups) and Gurley went out and joined them. Never saw the other guy doing the broadcast with Fran. I've taped the game to see what Fran says at certain parts of the game. I'm going to wait on that for now.

I heard a lot of terrible weather stories from people trying to get there and they couldn't believe we were in the 70's. Was cold and rainy in the morning but sunny and warm when we came out. I think that's why they lingered outside. I asked Tristan about weather in KS vs weather in Nederlands and he said that this was so much better than either.

I took a pic of Coach with his granddaughter. You could see him as he was getting ready to sit for tipoff he turned to her and waved at her and Tyler was there. I asked Dajuan if it was hard just sitting there and he said "for sure it is" but he said it's been great to learn new things.

And finally, JALEN WILSON is even CUTER in PERSON than on TV. I asked him if he was going to get to play anytime soon and he said he hopes so.

I'll remember more but it's time to watch THE CHIEFS.

@RockChalkinTexas you are as good as Holly!

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@RockChalkinTexas Sounds like you had one heck of a time. These posts are amazing thank you for sharing!

@rockchalkwyo Oh I have more but I am so HAPPY FOR ALL OF CHIEFSKINGDOM. So happy for the City and all it's fans. Fun but exhausting weekend for me. Lots of emotions. I will be ready for Tuesday though. Gotta get a win vs. KSUcks.

@RockChalkinTexas we have great taste, Jalen is cute!💙❤️🥰

@RockChalkinTexas , @Crimsonorblue22 I don't know how many Lady Bucketeers there are (maybe just the 3 of us??) but we can certainly agree Jalen is cute. Kind of reminds me of Kelly Oubre:two_hearts: