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We good.

BShark said:

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We good.

We take care of the ball , this could get ugly. - K-state themselves turns it over more then us , about a 5 rebound advantage per game for us , free throw pct right at the same , we shoot the 2 & the 3 better and they have NO ANSWER NONE for Doke. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@BShark I was waiting all day to find out what you decided to title this thread. You never disappoint.

Gotta give the guy credit for some strength in his quads.... that's not a normal balanced human pose in that photo

Taking the Cats at -16.5. Would love to disembowel them like we used to but this team probably won’t score enough.

FarmerJayhawk said:

Taking the Cats at -16.5. Would love to disembowel them like we used to but this team probably won’t score enough.

YA I don't think we cover. That's a lot of points , don't care who you are. - Now 11-12 maybe - - maybe BUT 16.5 can't see it. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

I dunno Dotson is stroking it in warmups.

Ochai is killing the corner three too. Warm ups, but still promising.

Loud boos as KSU leaves the court. @jayballer73

Hope we crush em

@dylans Let's hope someone hits the threes tonight. Last few games have been bad.

Glad I don’t have to listen to Fran. Sorry guys.!3540B2B3-C584-47AC-8796-B6AD3A51C3EE.jpeg ↗

Whew, here we go again. Still recovering from Sunday after I watched the Chiefs game at the local fan hangout here (a BBQ joint, natch).
Guess I can't bounce back like I used to. (Still in denial...)

Don't quite see KU covering tonight, but they should pull away in the second half for a comfortable enough W.

Gonna hear a little wine tonight - crushed 🍇

Keys tonight are 3 point % on both sides and not turning the ball over, KSU lead the conference in steals and untrimmed nose hairs.

@rockchalkwyo Thanks. This one is in honor of @KUSTEVE

@dylans who are the announcers tonite?

FarmerJayhawk said:

Taking the Cats at -16.5. Would love to disembowel them like we used to but this team probably won’t score enough.

Yeah I think KU wins but I'm not confident in their ability to blow out anyone in this conference due to the stingy defenses and KU not being great on offense.

Wonder if that ESPN guy who just used the word "bugaboo" about this game gets the significance.

"The Bugaboo" is the name of a song that was cut from "The Wizard Of Oz."

Higgins in the house. Like hearing fran

That shot should never happen, cancel it

Better shots peeps

Wow that was a pathetic 2 minutes

looks easy when you just feed the beast

Imagine not starting your best line-up.

Nice Doke

there's the OCH

First ochai sighting in a while

Dotson and Diarra should be friends, both turnover machines.

good play, didn't work

yay braun

Big shot

LOL WHAT IS THAT CALL

Did they just make up something????

Yea that was a very quick 3 seconds

BShark said:

Imagine not starting your best line-up.

The first sighting of that o already got yanked city

Woodrow said:

Yea that was a very quick 3 seconds

3 seconds on what?? He had the ball

UPS!!

outside shooting alert

The court is so much more open when we go 4-1...

Dauntaun Christian Braun

KSU is so, so bad

Is that Higgins in the stripes?

Braun.

Dang Braun looks good!

FarmerJayhawk said:

Braun.

Stealing this kid out from under Bruce was a great decision.

Boom shaka laka

BShark said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

Braun.

Stealing this kid out from under Bruce was a great decision.

Thanks Sam Williamson’s mom!

Putting on a Clinic, I like it

FarmerJayhawk said:

BShark said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

Braun.

Stealing this kid out from under Bruce was a great decision.

Thanks Sam Williamson’s mom!

We owe her big time

Braun got a hair cut. Looks good

stoptheflop said:

Braun got a hair cut. Looks good

The ladies are back from break!

BeddieKU23 said:

stoptheflop said:

Braun got a hair cut. Looks good

The ladies are back from break!

😏😏😏

Speaking of hair - and splitting it - Braun is much more aggressive. But, he still hesitated on two open 3s - they just weren't WIDE open. I hope continues to develop confidence to let those fly in the flow...

Bingo Dot

Braun with the theft.

Like Ochai’s effort so far

Oh my

DAMN !

I'm pretty good with KSU bigs taking long threes.

This is a massacre

CLINIC

Braun once again!

This is the type of game that's good for the soul

This is fun. Let’s keep the foot on the pedal!

Let it rain on Bruce!☔️

Just can't get cocky. Expect one or two runs from the Kitties.

Love the D though.

FarmerJayhawk said:

Like Ochai’s effort so far

Evidently different

@BShark I'm good with Braun taking long 3's

Again, niggling a bit, but Dot could have dished back on both of those breakaways and had easy slams....

@nwhawkfan I'm cocky!

@nwhawkfan

They dont have runs

nwhawkfan said:

Just can't get cocky. Expect one or two runs from the Kitties.

Love the D though.

I, uh...KSUMKC doesn't exactly have offensive spurtability. The WVU game was a huge outlier.

I love it when we do exactly what I’ve been saying we should do for weeks and it works.

Should get above 60s today for a change methinks

Enaruna sighting

FarmerJayhawk said:

Enaruna sighting

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Thought for sure that was going in lol

Nice pass from Braun before his first miss

And Braun with rebound

Even when KU goes dry a bit on offense, KSU still can't score.

Dang almost Braun from 3 again

Slop minutes

@DCHawker Our guards always take it to the rim and end up on the sidelines when sometimes a pass would get an easy layup

BeddieKU23 said:

Slop minutes

I'm sure if it ever gets close again Bill will play real line-ups, probably.

Some unlucky events there. That ochai drive would have brought the house down. His 2nd he was fouled. Braun rimmed out a 3.

@BShark was gonna say odd line up here

Every lineup is odd sans Doke

kjayhawks said:

@BShark was gonna say odd line up here

Yeah, Bill knows he can in this game. KSUMKC is yikes bad.

K st has 8 turnovers already. Good news since KU was only forcing 6 in the last 3 according to jesse

FarmerJayhawk said:

Every lineup is odd sans Doke

Eh, Dave at the 5 with 4 of Dot, Garrett, Moss, Braun, Agbaji is probably fine. But Doke is definitely our best big.

Oh boy. No Braun, Dot, or Doke.

stoptheflop said:

@DCHawker Our guards always take it to the rim and end up on the sidelines when sometimes a pass would get an easy layup

I think it's partly a HCBS preference for "combo" guards. Dotson thinks score first, not pass. It was the same with Frank and Devonte, although both improved their distribution over time. Dotson is not really a great point guard - he doesn't (yet) make the players around him better. He is a very good college scoring guard...

@FarmerJayhawk Omegalul

Mawien doesnt get that against doke

Oh hai Enaruna

Tristan wow

Had not scored in over 3 minutes and it was still a 13 point game before that.

Does MYWEEN think he is an allstar or something?

Is this the YMCA squad

Diarra lmao

FarmerJayhawk said:

Diarra lmao

I mean...I will welcome looks like that from KSU.

Diarhea sucks

There are rumblings Diarra is going euro-pro after this year fwiw. Maybe he is trying to showcase lol.

BShark said:

There are rumblings Diarra is going euro-pro after this year fwiw. Maybe he is trying to showcase lol.

Cant stand him hope its true

BeddieKU23 said:

Diarhea sucks

Blows

DanR said:

BeddieKU23 said:

Diarhea sucks

Blows

Explosive

Now we are getting a little greedy with the trey

DanR said:

BeddieKU23 said:

Diarhea sucks

Blows

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Moss that open is good

The weave is poetic tonight

Finally moss

The weave is alive

We were bound to miss some shots eventually. Just padding rebound stats it's okay guys.

Is this a record for airball chants RE Diarra?

Our guards need to use Dok's screens better. The guards leave too much room, so Dok keeps jutting his hip out and getting the foul.

Another airball, they are spooked

Bruce is like those airballs we tried so hard

We’re not a good team fast break team. A few folks - Dotson - good in open court.

Don’t ask us to pass it!

Keep chucking grapes

Really, only issues are not being able to get the ball in to Doke (instead of nailing wide open threes and layups) and Dotson refusing to pass the ball on the break.

I can live with it

FarmerJayhawk said:

Keep chucking grapes

Bruce Weber's entire offense tbh

BeddieKU23 said:

Bruce is like those airballs we tried so hard

Have made 5-11 3s, but just 45% from field. The big difference is we have taken 9 more shots. We turned it over 4 times in the first 4 minutes, but no TOs since then. Amazing what NOT turning the ball over can do for scoring efficiency...

@DanR thought I was only one that noticed that.

But only one we can count on to finish at rim relatively consistently is Garrett

DanR said:

Really, only issues are not being able to get the ball in to Doke (instead of nailing wide open threes and layups) and Dotson refusing to pass the ball on the break.

I can live with it

They are also double and tripling Doke. Still his defense is stellar

DCHawker said:

Have made 5-11 3s, but just 45% from field. The big difference is we have taken 9 more shots. We turned it over 4 times in the first 4 minutes, but no TOs since then. Amazing what NOT turning the ball over can do for scoring efficiency...

Kicking their ass on the glass too. :D

Marcus had Doke on the roll for the lob

So who is this Zion fellow they speak of? Gee, I've NEVER heard them talk about him on ESPN...

@BeddieKU23 Yep. Doke has been busting his ass all year. I will not listen to any Doke slander (not saying anyone here is, but other forums, twitter etc).

Never again Ochai

Okay, that was not a good looking 3 ball...

Dok shouldn't be switching to the guard. Just doesn't work

Like seeing the other team lead in turnovers

All our guards are much superior players.

/captain obvious

Charity foul

Like seeing the bench score too

Moss has played some solid d here

Taking a few too many 3s here, let’s get a Lob to Doke

Kind of mucking along for a while. 17 point lead 2-3 times...

That last defensive possession was just a big hot mess. Can't really blame anyone for that open dunk

@BeddieKU23 maybe Self's ass chewings are payingg off

Yeah Doke !

Atta boy Doke

some free throw form right there

Wooooo doke

Doke Nash-Curry

that was sick, Garrett

@BeddieKU23 needs some pepto

Nice screen there Silvio

Nice garret move

Marcus, shook him

Not a laugher yet, but I do feel the urge to giggle...

Gotta say I'm loving this game.

FarmerJayhawk said:

KSU is so, so bad

Like REALLY - - -REALLY Bad

@nwhawkfan I;ll giggle when Brucie cries

I'm just enjoying seeing some threes dropping. That it's happening against the kitties is a bonus.

Man, if Braun could continue his Svi impression from here on out,,,

Didn't take David to get taken out. - - didn't take long after he was back in to get beat on defense either lol

I really like aggressive Braun and Ochai, makes a huge difference

Everyone getting minutes, hope everyone is happy, u produce u play! Need to keep Silvio going

Just got back from bball practice. How we looking? We good?

approxinfinity said:

Just got back from bball practice. How we looking? We good?

Bruce running to the locker room good

Did anyone else see the stat? - -Since the conception of the Big twelve , KU is 50-6 - -50-6 against K-State , you can't call it a rivalry until you get a little better competition - I mean they got to win once and awhile lol

@FarmerJayhawk noice!

@jayballer73 we need Mizzou back to hate on

Let’s run it up and get Teahan some PT!!!

approxinfinity said:

@jayballer73 we need Mizzou back to hate on

Lol , would be nice - - fresh meat

@jayballer73 I'm good with KSU never winning.

jayballer73 said:

Did anyone else see the stat? - -Since the conception of the Big twelve , KU is 50-6 - -50-6 against K-State , you can't call it a rivalry until you get a little better competition - I mean they got to win once and awhile lol

One of my favorite stats is KSU has lost to KU more than any school has lost to another in the history of the game.

BShark said:

@jayballer73 I'm good with KSU never winning.

lol - -- -me too

Dotson’s court vision is terrible. He doesn’t see alley oops and easy passes for layups on the fast breaks. Needs more time to figure some things out.

@Crimsonorblue22

I hope he gets some minutes in the under 10

@dylans I assumed Dotson was just being the alpha dog, rather than failing to see the easier scoring opportunity

approxinfinity said:

Just got back from bball practice. How we looking? We good?

Looked good. An A- half. Braun canned three, 3's. Ochai had some aggresive plays early.

@stoptheflop from the sideline it doesn’t look like he sees it half the time.

I’m about to chuck a short little bitch onto the court if she keeps kneeing my kidneys. Enjoy your couch!

Mawien seems to play harder against us. He's only averaging 7 pts a game; already has 8.

Wow Braun just don't care

Wow

Love the clock awareness by Braun...

DCHawker said:

Love the clock awareness by Braun...

Kid just has it

The rain man draineth.

Leads team in scoring, nice work mr. B

this could get uglier in a hurry

Dunkin Doke

Showtime !

@DanR you mean more beautifuller or something... ;)

Holy crap THAT SPEED

You love to see it.

x2 their score. Good place to be.

Gettin a lot of love from the announcers when we win

The empty court-side wine and cheese seats always irritate me. Come on guys, get back to your seat and support these guys.

I've seen much worse not called

some empty seats where Kstate fans left at halftime

There isn't anyone unlikeable on this team. I think Fran's having a hard time finding the hate this year.

Doke is a NBA Defender. I dont care what anyone says

Timeout.

doke is tired

Good lord how did that go in

This is garbage. Timeout.

Defense has taken a few minutes off....

time out this is stupid

Another Braun rebound, too bad he missed

DCHawker said:

Defense has taken a few minutes off....

Basically not even trying right now...

Wtf is this

Lots of good shots missing

Of course a 20% shooter makes it

about 3 minutes too late on the TO

There's that run

We had a 24 point lead at the 18 minute mark.....

Chucking threes because Doke was too tired to run back on offense

We knew they’d make a run just disappointed we missed 5 straight 3s without anyone within 10 feet of us.

They could have made them, they were all wide open looks. Just a bunch of bricks

Okay, a 13-2 run is actually concerning.

BeddieKU23 said:

They could have made them, they were all wide open looks. Just a bunch of bricks

A bit fast on the looks but other than that I can't complain too much.

Getting a bit complacent, time to turn on the jets again. And feed Doke inside, if they stop triple teaming him

Do you think 5 bricks on wide-open threes is the norm or the exception. It's hard to say

!AB3606AE-3A4D-4DBE-A207-5E9D821700A4.jpeg ↗ two brave? (Or dumb) souls

13-2 run by the Kitties over the past 4 minutes. Our missed shots were open ones. It's the defense that disappeared...

@dylans turn your phone, man

approxinfinity said:

Do you think 5 bricks on wide-open threes is the norm or the exception. It's hard to say

Some of them I expected to go in so I guess the latter

Points!

Long twos are OK too

Moss

Hey an alley oop from Dotson!

WTF Ochai

David no

Ugh ochai

Sloppy

run the damn offense, please

My wife is a Dave defender in my house. I moan and groan.

So sloppy. Need to run some offense and get easy buckets.

We really don't need Dave trying to score when he is in. Put backs fine. Dunks fine. Rebounds fine. Hedges fine.

Ochai 3/11; 0/3 from 3. But 6 rbds.

Dave needs to stop shooting jumpers 0-4 tonight all on jump shots.

approxinfinity said:

My wife is a Dave defender in my house. I moan and groan.

David loves himself a jump shot.

BShark said:

approxinfinity said:

My wife is a Dave defender in my house. I moan and groan.

David loves himself a jump shot.

If he had one, I woudn't mind so much...

Dave keeping that usage stat up. Kenpom has him super high. Cause he be shootin everytime he catches it

Moss and Dave never met a 16 footer they didn't like.

Dave made a couple on Saturday, so... emboldened, I guess.

Kstate looks second rate. Uniforms are dull. Hair cuts suck. Body language so so. Liberace for the coach...

This really should be a 25-30 point game right now...

Dave isn't terrible from midrange. It will be a much nicer weapon next year if he keeps developing and we play a 4 out it will allow us to get the opposing center out of the paint or it's a wide open look.

@dylans kstates conditioning also suspect.

nice ball movement

Nice play

Garrett is a helluva PG.

Braun another rebound, then Doke slammin

Braun has zero interest in mid-range. My man.

Ok this is better

@approxinfinity three or bounce pass of the backboard

Mr B another 3!

Leading scorer Christian Braun because of course he is.

I'll take 4 yrs of Braun playing like this against the purps

Glad Moss bounced up

BShark said:

Leading scorer Christian Braun because of course he is.

Kansans love beating Kansans

Braun is going to be amazing for us as a JR/SR.

Remember to open the game Fran was talking about how good KSU was? Pepperidge Farm remembers!

BShark said:

Braun is going to be amazing for us as a JR/SR.

Sophomore as well. He is just a bad bad man

!7F912600-3CE6-48D2-9A25-9F5D639BB2E0.jpeg ↗ T-shirt cannon time! (Sorry don’t know why everything is sideways today)

I saw D Wade show up on an NBA box score and I forgot it was Dean Wade.

BeddieKU23 said:

BShark said:

Braun is going to be amazing for us as a JR/SR.

Sophomore as well. He is just a bad bad man

Next year is going to be saltier than many expect, I hope we are eligible for post season play.

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

BShark said:

Braun is going to be amazing for us as a JR/SR.

Sophomore as well. He is just a bad bad man

Next year is going to be saltier than many expect, I hope we are eligible for post season play.

Love our backcourt. Not thrilled about post Doke life

@dylans Wish I could help but auto-rotate crap drives me nuts too.

@BeddieKU23 On the bright side it will force us into 4 out full stop. Lots of very good guards/wings. Bit of a drop off to back-up 5 most likely.

you could turn your phone 90 degrees @dylans

(enjoying the pics though!)

@dylans at least they aren't those lavender ones. I can't imagine my boys ever wearing those

Marcus on cue as they are showing interview with
Fran...

@DanR LOL. Odds are he is holding it normally and some auto detection thing is rotating it. Usually moving the phone position does not help.

Lord. We believe we can score at will

So for a minute ESPN gamecast had that Sneed foul as a foul on Michael Jankovich, who, we actually should see tonight LOL.

Marcixumus

Remember that time KSUMKC went on a 13-2 run? Me neither.

Will be second time we break 70 this year in real games - maybe first time busting 80 in regulation..

@BeddieKU23 are you not entertained?!?!

approxinfinity said:

@BeddieKU23 are you not entertained?!?!

I'm fully entertained! Thanks for getting the reference

Sloan looks like a k state lifer

DCHawker said:

Will be second time we break 70 this year in real games - maybe first time busting 80 in regulation..

slow down there on the 80 talk, amigo

BeddieKU23 said:

Sloan looks like a k state lifer

Sloan is good, clearly a better PG than Diarra. Bruce needs to figure that out and it seems like maybe he has.

DanR said:

DCHawker said:

Will be second time we break 70 this year in real games - maybe first time busting 80 in regulation..

slow down there on the 80 talk, amigo

I did say maybe, but fair enough. Just need a couple of Jank 3s in garbage time!

So did fran ever say who his favorite player is? He just said it wasn't Marcus.

@DCHawker BRING IN THE CLOSERS!!!

What are the chances Devon projects as a second rounder and comes back?

kjayhawks said:

Remember to open the game Fran was talking about how good KSU was? Pepperidge Farm remembers!

Wait...I got in a bit late. EFFING WHAT???!

@BShark

The best thing that can happen to squeeks is that diarhea moves on

Dot is consistently short on his jumper

Crimsonorblue22 said:

So did fran ever say who his favorite player is? He just said it wasn't Marcus.

Pretty sure his favorite players name starts with Trey

approxinfinity said:

What are the chances Devon projects as a second rounder and comes back?

He is a 2nd rounder currently. Staff does not expect him back

@DanR jones? Or Haliburton

@BeddieKU23 FR, it would bail him out. I believe you already saw I mentioned KSU is oversigned by 2 and is actively recruiting another guard.

BShark said:

@BeddieKU23 On the bright side it will force us into 4 out full stop. Lots of very good guards/wings. Bit of a drop off to back-up 5 most likely.

Kind of excited to see Prison Mitch next yr. I think he might have a decent impactful season here.

@BeddieKU23 I hope!

Just to note that we are just 2 for last 11 on 3s - reverting to the mean - but the early makes opened things up. Plus only 3 TOs since the first 4 minutes....

Back to fools gold?

approxinfinity said:

What are the chances Devon projects as a second rounder and comes back?

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Crimsonorblue22 said:

@DanR jones? Or Haliburton

I mean "Trae" the young

Marcus will be the best player in the league next yr

Sweet pass

Perfect

@BeddieKU23 wow that's bold. That means he shoots better?

Ochai dribbling in traffic is always a bad idea...

OChai with the open court dribbling clinic

There have been more Presidents than KSU wins at Allen in my lifetime

@approxinfinity

I expect slightly better then he is now but from a leader to impact he will be the best

Enaruna. Shooters touch.

Braun saw them slack off him and said "ok let's do this". Love it.

one person out of 397 members voted against Derek Jeter for the hall of fame. One Boston fan/alum, no doubt. LOL

Braun. No fear.

This kids a killer

Didn't really expect Braun to ever reach 20 this year. Think that is the 7th Jayhawk to do so???

Braun might drag us kicking and screaming to 80.

Mr B for 6th 3!

Oof.

Down town Christian Braun

You'd think Ochai would know the court is made out of wood by now. Ouch-ai

31 points and counting from the bench - gotta love it...

4 minutes, I smell 80

Clear the bench

Teahan time!

Love that steal, sneaky

Bill asking his team to chuck. Good stuff.

The team is actually under their season average from three tonight or this could be worse lol.

Is it possible Braun is a better 3pt shooter than Frankamp?

@bskeet 🤮

bskeet said:

Is it possible Braun is a better 3pt shooter than Frankamp?

Hell yes. Taller too.

Get starters out

Bill wyd

Why is dot out there?

Probably waiting until 2:30

KSU better enjoy that B12 co-champ banner from last year.

Gonna be a while before they even sniff another one.

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I guess Bill is out for blood.

BShark said:

I guess Bill is out for blood.

hope it's not ours

Better looking, nicer dad, drinks less, more hair🧍‍♂️

Here comes the loudest cheer of the night. Enter Teahan

crowd going nuts for the ginger and jank

Not tristans best game

Hilarious! even he laughed

Tristan giveth and he taketh.

80 still in doubt

Sneed get a new dew?

Big 12 bottom feeder ... The ca-bruce.

Way to hustle Big Red !!!

Yeah bruh get into it with Silvio. See how that works out

DanR said:

80 still in doubt

Very much so...not going to be much offense run from here on...

Somebody need to dress fran

Silvio with 2 fouls in 30 seconds

Last 2 minutes may take 12

FarmerJayhawk said:

Yeah bruh get into it with Silvio. See how that works out

Lil Purps need to settle down, this game is over.

Dave's a Good throw shooter

@Crimsonorblue22 he jumps on his freethrow. Loves his jumpshots.

We getting 2 80

Yep feelin 80 too

Is KSU seriously fouling? JFC Bruce.

Why is squeaky fouling and pressing down 20 plus under 2 to go

feed the ginger

Atta boy Silvio

JANK

JANK

There's yer 80 !

Lolol

Bruce deserved that three.

Yes!

NO CHRIS

ginger let the whole team down right there

SILVIO

I think Teahans hair got in his eye that time

Oh boy.

Not smart guys

NO 60 FOR YOU

what the hell

Crap

Uh oh - guys come off the bench - punches thrown - suspensions???

Silvio...

Self muttering the f bomb.

Silvio is going to sitting a long time after that one.

was about to turn it off and then all hell broke loose. Silvio is in trouble.

Well. Silvio and Dave can just not play for a few games. I'm ok with that.

Went all WWE on the guy

Wtf

who was the dipshit in the white pants

Silvio. Find the door out of Lawrence

McCormack is going to be missing time too.

HCBS yanking on Dave at the end of the scrum...

Possibly Garrett missing time too.

Can’t lose your cool like that Silvio. He’s a good kid but jeez

Silvio was stupid for standing over the guy. But the kstate guy in the white pants hit silvio first.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

Possibly Garrett missing time too.

Sure hope not on this one.

Silver lining. 4-1 here we come.

I thought Garrett was shielding the dude from Dave.

Way to get in there Bill.

Hate to be Captain Obvious, but this is gonna hurt us a whole lot more than it hurts KSU.

Wow. Fran got his fuel to hate someone on Kansas. Enjoy the leprachauns ire Silvio

Kstater james love was the guy who basically started it

BShark said:

Texas Hawk 10 said:

Possibly Garrett missing time too.

Sure hope not on this one.

I couldn't tell if Garrett did anything wrong, but he was holding down that guy in white pants and black top.

@Texas-Hawk-10 who was that? Bench guy

Where's was bruce

For the 2 minutes before the altercation, I was thinking SDS was disengaged. He seemed like he didn’t care. 2 fouls in 3 minutes and relegated to mop up time. I wonder if he leaves now...

silvio dropped the stool that was nothing.

He didn't do anything with the stool. Maybe he just had to move the stool out of everyone way so no one trips.

HCBS is REALLY angry! Wow.

approxinfinity said:

He didn't do anything with the stool. Maybe he just had to move the stool out of everyone way so no one trips.

Looked like he backed into it or something and picked it up. Don’t think he intended to do anything with it.

Looked like fans were helping stop it too

I do think there's a chance that this is the beginning of the end for Silvio

FarmerJayhawk said:

approxinfinity said:

He didn't do anything with the stool. Maybe he just had to move the stool out of everyone way so no one trips.

Looked like he backed into it or something and picked it up. Don’t think he intended to do anything with it.

He picked that stool up with some aggression so he may have had bad intentions at first, but I think he realized before he did anything he needed to drop it.

One fan looked like he went airborne. So much for sitting close to the action.

@DanR I think there was a K-State player who shoved Silvio first and then he retaliated and then others around him erupted.

FarmerJayhawk said:

approxinfinity said:

He didn't do anything with the stool. Maybe he just had to move the stool out of everyone way so no one trips.

Looked like he backed into it or something and picked it up. Don’t think he intended to do anything with it.

The look in his eye says differently. Glad he thought twice.

De Souza did not drop the stool
It was pulled away from him. He looked like he wanted to hit the guy with the stool
He is screwed- screwed from self, and from the ncaa

approxinfinity said:

I do think there's a chance that this is the beginning of the end for Silvio

I dont think Self will have that after seeing the video. Dave was almost as bad.

@Bosthawk

That's already happened before to him

Ooh @dylans got some pics. Didn't upload but you're right there right ! Share when you get a chance

Well that was certainly a different ending.

Downtown Christian Braun!

not as many punches as it appeared on first glance. KStater leaving the bench was the instigator.

I'd been a Silvio apologist, but I'm done now.

Bill should send a message and drop him.

K state player came off tHe bench to go after de Souza. He should be suspended heavily

There should be 2 KU players suspended for sure, Silvio at least 5 games, Dave probably gets 1 game, and the B12 is gonna have to look at what Garrett was doing as well.

I watched it several times on replay. Silvio was a stupid for staring down the dude after the block, but he didn't start the fight.

Why was only ku called for a T, KSU started the fight

Yes garret should know better. Wtf

well say Goodbye to Desousa for some time, - He was just flat wrong , wrong , wrong. - -you made the block at the end. - -you DO NOT go and stand over the kid - taunting. - -then you PICK UP A CHAIR - -WTF are you thinking you are obviously not. - Mc Cormick probably suspended a game - maybe two

I don't know. It's just unfortunate. Seems to be all this pent up angst by two 5 star big guys who Bill recruited that are redundant.

@kjayhawks taunting by Silvio

The stare down drew the T

What was Dave doing? Kicking someone?

Braun 4 rebounds, 20 points, some nice passing

@Hawk8086 mostly holding down the douche Kstate player who was in street clothes (white pants)

Dave and Garrett were standing over the white shirt black pants bench player on the floor at the end. Expressing their disapproval.

Enjoyed the first 39 1/2 minutes anyway.

Glad I was wrong about us not covering the spread. Seems not so big a deal now.

DanR said:

I watched it several times on replay. Silvio was a stupid for staring down the dude after the block, but he didn't start the fight.

Agree. I think #4 on K-State made the push.. either him or #11.. Those appear to be the two who rush in and confront Silvio.

Love from KSU is probably gone.

And I have to tell you, I'm sick of the issues with dribbling out the clock.

kjayhawks said:

Why was only KU called for a T, KSU started the fight

DeSousa instigated the whole dam thing - -block the fricken ball and walk - -Game over - - you DO NOT stand over the top of a kid AND TAUNT - - - you don't pick up a chair over your head and act like you gonna bust the chair on someone's head

Marcus didn’t do anything wrong. He shoved a guy at the end that was a more of a get out of my face shove.

Dave was just as aggressive as Silvio which is way out of character for him. However it looked like Jeremy Case got thrown to the ground and he was responding to that.

11 came off the bench. That's not good either. I think #4 started the altercation.

Garrett is in trouble because he came in hot.

The nba has ruined all integrity in basketball

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Wait...is there a rule about suspensions from the next game if you leave the bench?

@Woodrow Jeremy Case came to battle. Gaht dam.

All the players left the bench, if there are penalties for that beyond this game that leaves 4 players as Silvio is done for awhile at best.

in slow motion, it's clearer that three K-State guys (#4, and off the bench: #11 and the guy in the white pants) push Silvio repeatedly and he tried to defend himself but eventually they pushed him down, probably said something and he sprung up with fists flying.

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Not that it matters but it does appear that Silvio drops the chair on his own

I’m glad Silvio stared him down. They stole the ball while we’re having the clock run out and Silvio had a bad a$$ block. KSU started it by rushing SDS. What I do not like, and I mean DO NOT LIKE is the chair The rest is a blur for me. It seems like David and Garrett tried to separate players.

Christian Braun and Tristan Enaruna, lace up your chuckin' shoes.

Hawk8086 said:

And I have to tell you, I'm sick of the issues with dribbling out the clock.

We didn't have anybody on the floor who could really handle the ball. Certainly shouldn't have been Silvio trying to run out the clock.

And then he got upset when the KSU kid took the ball away from him. No excuse, but he shouldn't have been in that position.

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I cant imagine Silvio or Dave playing Saturday. Welcome to 4 out

rockchalkwyo said:

I’m glad Silvio stared him down. They stole the ball while we’re having the clock run out and Silvio had a bad a$$ block. KSU started it by rushing SDS. What I do not like, and I mean DO NOT LIKE is the chair The rest is a blur for me. It seems like David and Garrett tried to separate players.

David took a swing at a player

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@tundrahok I guess what bothers me is that if you are dribbling out the clock casually with a few seconds left..why try to steal it? It happens all the time. Let's agree to either play the game to the end or let the last few seconds tick off.

so this is how we go to 4 guards.

2nd dick move in Lawrence this year after the monmouth incident. These kids suck

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Hawk8086 said:

@tundrahok I guess what bothers me is that if you are dribbling out the clock casually with a few seconds left..why try to steal it? It happens all the time. Let's agree to either play the game to the end or let the last few seconds tick off.

Well, if you play to the end when you have the lead then the opponent gets all indignant like Iowa State..

jayballer73 said:

rockchalkwyo said:

I’m glad Silvio stared him down. They stole the ball while we’re having the clock run out and Silvio had a bad a$$ block. KSU started it by rushing SDS. What I do not like, and I mean DO NOT LIKE is the chair The rest is a blur for me. It seems like David and Garrett tried to separate players.

David took a swing at a player

I guarantee KSU swung first

@BShark That's a pretty incredible shot. Wow. That guy should be disqualified for the year.

BeddieKU23 said:

I cant imagine Silvio or Dave playing Saturday. Welcome to 4 out

I don't think you'll see Silvio for a Lonnnnnnnnnnnnng time. - -I bet you looking at a 2-3 game suspension from Conference - - McCormack will probably be suspended for a game. - -The DeSousa just got himself in so deep with Self - -he might not see the floor for some time to come.

For people wanted to see the 4- we got our wish. - question becomes who is Dok's backup now? I mean where was DeSousa head? - -how far up his ass did he have it? - - I mean you recover -- - block the shoot and walk away - -you don't stand over the top of a kid and taunt him - -that's taunting - -and then pick up a dam Chair? - -OMG

@bskeet That is Love. He was being recruited over anyway and was probably going to transfer. This will probably do it for him.

@bskeet That's definitely the player that attacked Silvio first. I'm not fully sure who it is as I don't pay a ton of attention to KSU and this is the first KSU game I've really watched all year.

I watched it about 20 more times. Love should be gone. Nothing was as bad as it first looked, and Fran freaking out made it seem much worse.

rockchalkwyo said:

jayballer73 said:

rockchalkwyo said:

I’m glad Silvio stared him down. They stole the ball while we’re having the clock run out and Silvio had a bad a$$ block. KSU started it by rushing SDS. What I do not like, and I mean DO NOT LIKE is the chair The rest is a blur for me. It seems like David and Garrett tried to separate players.

David took a swing at a player

I guarantee KSU swung first

1ST - -2ND - -3 - - 4TH - -5TH - -IT WILL BE A SUSPENION

DanR said:

I watched it about 20 more times. Love should be gone. Nothing was as bad as it first looked, and Fran freaking out made it seem much worse.

Fran didn't help, but it was still bad enough

@jayballer73 I fear David may get multiple games....I couldn't quite make out if he was swinging or not..or kicking.

jayballer73 said:

BeddieKU23 said:

I cant imagine Silvio or Dave playing Saturday. Welcome to 4 out

I don't think you'll see Silvio for a Lonnnnnnnnnnnnng time. - -I bet you looking at a 2-3 game suspension from Conference - - McCormack will probably be suspended for a game. - -The DeSousa just got himself in so deep with Self - -he might not see the floor for some time to come.

For people wanted to see the 4- we got our wish. - question becomes who is Dok's backup now? I mean where was DeSousa head? - -how far up his ass did he have it? - - I mean you recover -- - block the shoot and walk away - -you don't stand over the top of a kid and taunt him - -that's taunting - -and then pick up a dam Chair? - -OMG

relax and watch the replay a few times

The player from KSU that pushed Silvio will probably be suspended. Love (white pants) may be gone from the team. I fear the same for Silvio. I fear Dave may get more than one game. I couldn't see what Marcus was doing. There will be severe penalties. The league will see to it if the schools don't.

DanR said:

jayballer73 said:

BeddieKU23 said:

I cant imagine Silvio or Dave playing Saturday. Welcome to 4 out

I don't think you'll see Silvio for a Lonnnnnnnnnnnnng time. - -I bet you looking at a 2-3 game suspension from Conference - - McCormack will probably be suspended for a game. - -The DeSousa just got himself in so deep with Self - -he might not see the floor for some time to come.

For people wanted to see the 4- we got our wish. - question becomes who is Dok's backup now? I mean where was DeSousa head? - -how far up his ass did he have it? - - I mean you recover -- - block the shoot and walk away - -you don't stand over the top of a kid and taunt him - -that's taunting - -and then pick up a dam Chair? - -OMG

relax and watch the replay a few times

This is not good BUT as far as Silvio he hardly touch's the floor anyways. - -I's Dave like you say , guarnteee a game anyways. - Like they said question is will it be Saturday - -or a league game

A lot of wrong actions to go around. Silvio should not have walked over the guy....clearly. But th1e KSU guys should not have shoved him and then the KSU players came off the bench.....followed of course by our guys. Worst offender was Love ….he came flying at Silvio and looked like he threw the first punch. Of course, the 2nd punch is viewed as equally bad.

I can't see Marcus throwing a punch, or anything else other than getting between the active fighters

I think Silvio gets a handful, Dave maybe a couple, and we all go on. No reason to do anything super drastic.

rockchalkwyo said:

I’m glad Silvio stared him down. They stole the ball while we’re having the clock run out and Silvio had a bad a$$ block. KSU started it by rushing SDS. What I do not like, and I mean DO NOT LIKE is the chair The rest is a blur for me. It seems like David and Garrett tried to separate players.

Silvio needed to walk away after the block, that's ultimately what started everything was Silvio not walking away after the block.

Gary Bedore
@GaryBedore
Self said "there will be consequences" that he'll announce Wednesday probably. He said he will study the tape more but it's "obvious to me we played a role in what transpired and there will be penalties for that."

DanR said:

jayballer73 said:

BeddieKU23 said:

I cant imagine Silvio or Dave playing Saturday. Welcome to 4 out

I don't think you'll see Silvio for a Lonnnnnnnnnnnnng time. - -I bet you looking at a 2-3 game suspension from Conference - - McCormack will probably be suspended for a game. - -The DeSousa just got himself in so deep with Self - -he might not see the floor for some time to come.

For people wanted to see the 4- we got our wish. - question becomes who is Dok's backup now? I mean where was DeSousa head? - -how far up his ass did he have it? - - I mean you recover -- - block the shoot and walk away - -you don't stand over the top of a kid and taunt him - -that's taunting - -and then pick up a dam Chair? - -OMG

relax and watch the replay a few times

oh I seen it just fine - - -they showed it over , and over , and over , and over. - -Tell me why Silvio felt the need to stand over the top of the kid and taunt? - -Block the dam shot and walk - -this is where it all started - - Tell me why the hell Silvio felt the need to grab a fricking chair? - - No place for that in the game - -hell ya K-State better be having players suspended too - -just a really ugly situation

Silvio is in big trouble. Dude picked up a chair. Not good.

rockchalkwyo said:

jayballer73 said:

rockchalkwyo said:

I’m glad Silvio stared him down. They stole the ball while we’re having the clock run out and Silvio had a bad a$$ block. KSU started it by rushing SDS. What I do not like, and I mean DO NOT LIKE is the chair The rest is a blur for me. It seems like David and Garrett tried to separate players.

David took a swing at a player

I guarantee KSU swung first

Doesn't matter, Silvio and Dave each threw punches, they will be suspended for that. The KSU players will get their suspensions as well, but KU is going to be without a back up for Doke on Saturday now.

Kubie said:

I can't see Marcus throwing a punch, or anything else other than getting between the active fighters

I think Marcus should be fine

Self got an iron grip on Silvio's jersey. It looked like Silvio was slapping his hand to try to make Self let go?

Sucks. I wish we had a backup for Doke against Tennessee. Rick Barnes is chuckling.

FarmerJayhawk said:

I think Silvio gets a handful, Dave maybe a couple, and we all go on. No reason to do anything super drastic.

Silvio - - 4-5 ? - - I''m thinking Dave just the one -- maybe not - - could be 2

Texas Hawk 10 said:

rockchalkwyo said:

I’m glad Silvio stared him down. They stole the ball while we’re having the clock run out and Silvio had a bad a$$ block. KSU started it by rushing SDS. What I do not like, and I mean DO NOT LIKE is the chair The rest is a blur for me. It seems like David and Garrett tried to separate players.

Silvio needed to walk away after the block, that's ultimately what started everything was Silvio not walking away after the block.

No he went and stood over the kid staring down at him. - -I'm like you block the dam shot which he did - - GAME OVER and walk away

Enaruna better learn how to play some 5 real quick because he's going to be Doke's back up on Saturday.

I don’t see Dave doing anything but trying to pull guys apart. I count only one Jayhawk, Silvio throwing a punch. I count 4 wildcats and 2 could get charged for assaulting a police officer for pushing repeatedly.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

rockchalkwyo said:

jayballer73 said:

rockchalkwyo said:

I’m glad Silvio stared him down. They stole the ball while we’re having the clock run out and Silvio had a bad a$$ block. KSU started it by rushing SDS. What I do not like, and I mean DO NOT LIKE is the chair The rest is a blur for me. It seems like David and Garrett tried to separate players.

David took a swing at a player

I guarantee KSU swung first

Doesn't matter, Silvio and Dave each threw punches, they will be suspended for that. The KSU players will get their suspensions as well, but KU is going to be without a back up for Doke on Saturday now.

ya I think Silvio is gone for some time

Yay 5 out

@kjayhawks Dave threw a punch in there.

kjayhawks said:

I don’t see Dave doing anything but trying to pull guys apart. I count only one Jayhawk, Silvio throwing a punch. I count 4 wildcats and 2 could get charged for assaulting a police officer for pushing repeatedly.

you need to look AGAIN McCormack threw a punch

If the NCAA mob really cared about these kids. It would be some kind of anger management course. Forcing these kids to be together, but no they will want to make an example. I’ll leave at that. You know what I’m saying.

Did Weber get scratched on the chin?

@jayballer73 still don’t see it and it looks like a KSU bench warmer threw hands first.

Did anyone see Doke in that mess? I saw Devon run up but not get involved.

It does not matter who threw first, you punch you lose

Kstate was being rude when Ku was trying to show some respect. Yet no excuse Silvio. None.

kjayhawks said:

@jayballer73 still don’t see it and it looks like a KSU bench warmer threw hands first.

A KSU player did throw the first punch, but Dave threw one in the middle of all that as well.

On the KU side, Silvio is going to get at least 5 games, Dave is probably going to get 1 game. Garrett looked like he should be in the clear discipline wise from the B12, we'll see if Self does anything.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I would not be surprised if they are all running laps or worse at this moment!

From what I've seen Dave didn't throw any punches. I thought he tried to stomp the K-State guy who rushed in, but I don't think so. Silvio threw 2 or 3 punches from what I could tell. Marcus ran over to the K-State guy when he was one the ground and was shouting at him, but... Just a real bad look. I was cool with everything Silvio did up until he was standing over that guy. His stuff was a great response, but man, you've got to be smarter than that. I would think he'll receive a pretty punitive response from Self.

Self was saying all but the 5 on floor were ejected and could see suspensions. Which is odd because the clock said zero and everyone thought it was over.

I’m going to a different level. Add some spice. Kstate is so classless. I’m Mean really.

video I recorded does not show dave throwing a punch. He push a cheerleader's or Garretts arm and pulled his arm back, but didn't punch anything. IMO. I am not a lawyer

I have no trouble with any actions of any KU player besides Silvio grabbing a chair. KSU pulled some classless shit and Silvio wasn’t having it. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

@DanR ya I see Dave pushing guys away but nothing that looks like a punch to me.

lets call it a little photographer's stool, not a chair, that Silvio dropped after making sure no one tripped on it.

Kubie said:

I can't see Marcus throwing a punch, or anything else other than getting between the active fighters

He came up swinging from a pile at one point. Hopefully the cameras missed it.

wissox said:

Did Weber get scratched on the chin?

He said in his post game presser that he breaks our from stress during the season and that is what that was.

Seth and Co. were putting their two cents in at halftime of the ESPN game. Big picture of Silvio holding the stool. They were fanning the flames for him to be gone for the season. Also were saying that David was stomping, or trying to stomp on someone....which would be Love.

kjayhawks said:

@jayballer73 still don’t see it and it looks like a KSU bench warmer threw hands first.

they just showed it again at the half of the Duke game , actually McCormack stepping on people when they are down.

I was wondering about this - - they were saying it needed to be handled swiftly and sternly. - talking about a season ending suspension to Silvio. - -I could see that, could they said actually him grabbing a chair and actually thinking about using it is a criminal offense. - I just not sure what will happen with David

Vitale just said he will be shocked if Silvio wears a KU uniform again. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks of Vitale. What these guys say matters to the people at KU and the league that make decisions about what happens.

I would say expect the worst. NCAA does not like KU

Texas Hawk 10 said:

kjayhawks said:

@jayballer73 still don’t see it and it looks like a KSU bench warmer threw hands first.

A KSU player did throw the first punch, but Dave threw one in the middle of all that as well.

On the KU side, Silvio is going to get at least 5 games, Dave is probably going to get 1 game. Garrett looked like he should be in the clear discipline wise from the B12, we'll see if Self does anything.

agree with all you say here. - -they were talking on the ESPN that Silvio should be Season ending because of picking up the chair - -thank GOD Howard was able to grab him

stool, people.

Hawk8086 said:

Vitale just said he will be shocked if Silvio wears a KU uniform again. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks of Vitale. What these guys say matters to the people at KU and the league that make decisions about what happens.

He went further and said Silvio shouldn’t ever play college basketball again. Which I think is ludicrous.

@wissox wasn't that close! Maybe caught an elbow on the court🤣

@FarmerJayhawk Yes, that goes too far.

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Still don’t see David stepping on people. He stepped over a small railing but not a person. SDS you’re done bud. I was fine with the stare down but not the rest

I wouldn’t expect that, but a multiple game suspension? Yes

DanR said:

lets call it a little photographer's stool, not a chair, that Silvio dropped after making sure no one tripped on it.

lmao -- -- that's good I like that , not accurate but w will go with that lmao

Hey I thought Grayson Allen should never play basketball again like 5 times. Where was Dick Vitale then?

DanR said:

stool, people.

chair people

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FarmerJayhawk said:

Hawk8086 said:

Vitale just said he will be shocked if Silvio wears a KU uniform again. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks of Vitale. What these guys say matters to the people at KU and the league that make decisions about what happens.

He went further and said Silvio shouldn’t ever play college basketball again. Which I think is ludicrous.

I can see Silvio getting 4-5 games from the Conference and then never seeing the floor from Bill again. - -Good thing is , he really wasn't hardly playing - -getting very little playing time and not contributing - so lucky in that aspect. - The Big thing is how many games for McCormack - really hurts the depth at the 5

@approxinfinity Ha. Just thinking about that fool myself!

Ok, lets assume Silvio is gone long term, 5+ games. McCormack, at best he's out a game or two just for stumbling around over people waving his arms. So is Mitch's redshirt coming off, at this point in the season I'd hate to see that happen personally.

@Kubie Tristan at the 5.

Kubie said:

Ok, lets assume Silvio is gone long term, 5+ games. McCormack, at best he's out a game or two just for stumbling around over people waving his arms. So is Mitch's redshirt coming off, at this point in the season I'd hate to see that happen personally.

Highly doubt it.

For reference, Marcus Smart got 3 games for shoving a fan.

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Kubie said:

Ok, lets assume Silvio is gone long term, 5+ games. McCormack, at best he's out a game or two just for stumbling around over people waving his arms. So is Mitch's redshirt coming off, at this point in the season I'd hate to see that happen personally.

na , it won't be- -not for this

Who will replace Jeremy Case, that's what I'm curious about. Dude flew in like a free safety blitz.

Word is Silvio threw a punch, and just like every shot he's taken this year, it missed.

Kubie said:

Ok, lets assume Silvio is gone long term, 5+ games. McCormack, at best he's out a game or two just for stumbling around over people waving his arms. So is Mitch's redshirt coming off, at this point in the season I'd hate to see that happen personally.

No chance. With the severity of Silvio's reaction, there's a high likelihood that Mitch would be the starting 4 next season next to Dave.

That whole exchange by De Sousa could have been avoided by not fighting Jankovich (guard) for the rebound, declining to pass it to him, and dribbling it down court and getting it stolen. Clown move.

Does anyone have video of KSU pushing an officer? Someone on here mentioned it.

approxinfinity said:

Hey I thought Grayson Allen should never play basketball again like 5 times. Where was Dick Vitale then?

Up his ass and around the corner of course

Interesting that when I see stuff like this from other teams I think that's crazy, wow why would kids do that. Now that the issue is right here, happened right in Allen Fieldhouse I feel zero remorse for any consequences handed out. Dispicable acts on both sides. Silvio picking up a chair is just out of this world wrong. I'm sure he feels bad now but he again is front page news. Hopefully the team can find a way past this

My apologies , My apologies , to everyone. - Went to the ESPN site and watched again, and people are right McCormack did not throw a punch. - -He was grabbing and yanking people back , and he did ook like he stepped on someone when they were down. Still going to probably be suspended for sure. -

@BeddieKU23 WWE and basketball are not a good combo.

benshawks08 said:

@BeddieKU23 WWE and basketball are not a good combo.

The NBA has glamorized this behavior for years, the standing over players, the shoving and fighting. The example they watched has manifested into something they think is okay. This was the very definition of not okay

BeddieKU23 said:

Interesting that when I see stuff like this from other teams I think that's crazy, wow why would kids do that. Now that the issue is right here, happened right in Allen Fieldhouse I feel zero remorse for any consequences handed out. Dispicable acts on both sides. Silvio picking up a chair is just out of this world wrong. I'm sure he feels bad now but he again is front page news. Hopefully the team can find a way past this

Don't be overly surprised if Silvio is done. - -looking at multiple games suspension from the league , and WOULD NOT surprise me at all if Bill dismissed him from the team for his actions.

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Of course Nick Krug got THE pic.

@jayballer73

I would not be surprised at all it can not be tolerated.

@BeddieKU23 Honestly it’s us more than the NBA or anyone else that’s the problem. This stuff gets views, gets clicks, gets replayed over and over. We the American consumer are the problem. We all know and say it’s not what we want but our eyeballs say otherwise.

BeddieKU23 said:

@jayballer73

I would not be surprised at all it can not be tolerated.

your right. Like Coach said for this to happen on top of it all in the handi capped area - hope no one was hurt.

I know this sounds bad but like I have stated sad night but losing Silvio can be dissolved - - wasn't contributing really at all hardly seeing any time. It's Dave more then anything - -how many games? - -I'm thinking just maybe the one - -unless the University adds to on top from the conference

They are just kids. So sad that college sports powers would rather not help and teach instead of milking thus kids for money. That’s the real crime.

@benshawks08 Fascinating to look at fan reactions. Poor woman at the bottom scared to death while the frat boys (guessing here) up top can't get enough. "Cool! Rumble!"

@mayjay lmao frat boy

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@benshawks08 - Whoa... Jerrance with the save! And love the woman screaming on the floor. She was terrified!

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Weber didn’t admit any wrong doing by his guys and says they played to the final whistle. For a group that cried for 5 years about Greene’s dunk that sure is chicken s***

Bill didn’t boot Brady for a DUI. He’s not booting Silvio.

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@benshawks08 At first I thought that was a pic of the impeachment hearings.

Well this I know. - - I will bet you a Dollar to a Doughnut Security at their house will be beefed up max. - -you don't think these idiots will be looking for anything. - -I bet you so many whistles will be called all game long you might not have ANY players left

FarmerJayhawk said:

Bill didn’t boot Brady for a DUI. He’s not booting Silvio.

Dude that is an awful comparison. DUIs happen all the time. Brawls in college basketball are rare.

BigBad said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

Bill didn’t boot Brady for a DUI. He’s not booting Silvio.

Dude that is an awful comparison. DUIs happen all the time. Brawls in college basketball are rare.

But which is really more dangerous?

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there is no way they pull Mitch's redshirt because of this stupidity. - - your looking at possibility couple of Games for Dave - - not worth pulling mitch red-shirt

Brady was suspended for a full semester.

BigBad said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

Bill didn’t boot Brady for a DUI. He’s not booting Silvio.

Dude that is an awful comparison. DUIs happen all the time. Brawls in college basketball are rare.

You’re right! A DUI is waaaaay worse.

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FarmerJayhawk said:

BigBad said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

Bill didn’t boot Brady for a DUI. He’s not booting Silvio.

Dude that is an awful comparison. DUIs happen all the time. Brawls in college basketball are rare.

You’re right! A DUI is waaaaay worse.

Don't be so sure about Bill not dismissing him from the team. -- He might not have any say, could very easily come from higher up - - Long or even chancellor - whether people want to believe it or not - a dudue grabbing a chair to go after someone - - there is no place for that in ANY sport - thank god for Howard grabbing him

There is clear video of DeSousa dropping the stool and leaning against the wall doing nothing after that. Made for a nice photo and that was it.

Meanwhile... this guy.

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jayballer73 said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

BigBad said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

Bill didn’t boot Brady for a DUI. He’s not booting Silvio.

Dude that is an awful comparison. DUIs happen all the time. Brawls in college basketball are rare.

You’re right! A DUI is waaaaay worse.

Don't be so sure about Bill not dismissing him from the team. -- He might not have any say, could very easily come from higher up - - Long or even chancellor - whether people want to believe it or not - a dudue grabbing a chair to go after someone - - there is no place for that in ANY sport - thank god for Howard grabbing him

I could see a mutual parting of ways after the year but not an outright dismissal.

Honestly you figured a team that’s 8-10 would know how to lose, just saying 😬🤷🏻‍♂️

I wonder how many guys KSU will have for their next game?? I count 4 guys growing punches

Just read what the ejections were for. The reason all but 10 players were ejected were for leaving the bench area. The 10 on the floor at the time the brawl started were the 10 called back for the final sequence. Everyone else was ejected for leaving the bench area.

So any conjecture whether we will have more than 3 players for Saturday's game?

I wonder if Silvio will be suspended with or without pay?

Texas Hawk 10 said:

rockchalkwyo said:

I’m glad Silvio stared him down. They stole the ball while we’re having the clock run out and Silvio had a bad a$$ block. KSU started it by rushing SDS. What I do not like, and I mean DO NOT LIKE is the chair The rest is a blur for me. It seems like David and Garrett tried to separate players.

Silvio needed to walk away after the block, that's ultimately what started everything was Silvio not walking away after the block.

True.. although, it could also be argued that the start was the meaningless steal and attempt to score when down by 22 with 2 seconds left..

FarmerJayhawk said:

jayballer73 said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

BigBad said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

Bill didn’t boot Brady for a DUI. He’s not booting Silvio.

Dude that is an awful comparison. DUIs happen all the time. Brawls in college basketball are rare.

You’re right! A DUI is waaaaay worse.

Don't be so sure about Bill not dismissing him from the team. -- He might not have any say, could very easily come from higher up - - Long or even chancellor - whether people want to believe it or not - a dudue grabbing a chair to go after someone - - there is no place for that in ANY sport - thank god for Howard grabbing him

I could see a mutual parting of ways after the year but not an outright dismissal.

maybe , but like I said he may not be the one making the decision in this

COHawk said:

So any conjecture whether we will have more than 3 players for Saturday's game?

Worst case is KU would be down Garrett, McCormack, and Silvio. Nobody else on KU even appeared to do anything other than break up the fight.

KU will for sure be without Silvio, and possibly without McCormack.

Doke is going to have to Ironman it out Saturday and Enaruna is probably going to play some 5 as well on Saturday.

Sure ain't getting much basketball out of him. So hey. Atleast were getting our money's worth out of De Sousa for entertainment value... Starring Silvio in Roadhouse 3... How pathetic

If a player is ejected, isn't he then suspended for the next game? Or is there an exception to that?

HighEliteMajor said:

I wonder if Silvio will be suspended with or without pay?

Ok that’s funny

@bskeet Big boys should be able to handle someone making a dick move. I thought Silvio did great by blocking it.

He should have gone to check if the guy was okay, smiled, and helped him up.

Angry about it after demolishing the guy with the block? That's a head case problem right there.

If you cannot successfully dribble out 3 seconds when only 2 guys are anywhere near you, ay yi yi.

bskeet said:

Texas Hawk 10 said:

rockchalkwyo said:

I’m glad Silvio stared him down. They stole the ball while we’re having the clock run out and Silvio had a bad a$$ block. KSU started it by rushing SDS. What I do not like, and I mean DO NOT LIKE is the chair The rest is a blur for me. It seems like David and Garrett tried to separate players.

Silvio needed to walk away after the block, that's ultimately what started everything was Silvio not walking away after the block.

True.. although, it could also be argued that the start was the meaningless steal and attempt to score when down by 22 with 2 seconds left..

Sure, but that also happened against Monmouth and nothing escalated after that. Silvio standing over Gordon taunting him is what escalated this and got the KSU bench involved. If Silvio makes the block and walks away, nothing escalates so Silvio standing over Gordon and running his mouth is what started this.

Different angle.

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Ellis from the ESPN saying he thought BOTH Mc Cormack should be done for the year. - I don't see that happening.

He was also saying WHERE were the KU coach's - where were the team leaders trying to break it up? - -Obviously he didn't see Self and Howard -

@jayballer73 or Case. He's the guy that flew in to put Love on the deck.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I want to go on record here to admit I was wrong after Monmouth. I said the real embarrassment was our inattention in dribbling out the clock. I said that the only guaranteed outcome was that HCBS would make sure it never would happen again. Sigh...

jayballer73 said:

Ellis from the ESPN saying he thought BOTH Mc Cormack should be done for the year. - I don't see that happening.

He was also saying WHERE were the KU coach's - where were the team leaders trying to break it up? - -Obviously he didn't see Self and Howard -

I’ll tell you where KU coaches were. On the complete other side of the court!!!! By the time they got there KSU’s bench was empty.

Edit: the punishments will be decided quick so in a few days we’ll know whether it’s worth it or not to red shirt Wilson. I still say that prison Mitch should keep it even if David is donzo for the year.

Well. Atleast this will take the focus off the investigation, eminent suspensions, and post season bans however briefly. Just when ya thought the program couldn't be any more embarrassed.. hold my beer

DanR said:

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Actually after seeing this , it was The K-State point guard the Juco getting into it with Silvio 1st and Silvio throwing punches then Love comes in

@jayballer73 Did you see Webber in the entrance to the tunnel at lower right manhandling one KSU guy out, and then pushing that guy and Love (who scurried like a scared rabbit from the fight he flew into) out of sight?

It all started with KSU pressing, then fouling hard as hell in a 25 point game with 2 minutes to go and KU having walk ons in.

mayjay said:

@jayballer73 Did you see Webber in the entrance to the tunnel at lower right manhandline one KSU guy out, and then pushing that guy and Love (who scurried like a scared rabbit from the fight he started) out of sight?

Hey it was Ellis asking NOT me lol

the return trip to Manhattan should be ummm - - - -interesting to say the least

This is going to be a nightmare in bramlidge.

jayballer73 said:

the return trip to Manhattan should be ummm - - - -interesting to say the least

Beat me to it!

benshawks08 said:

This is going to be a nightmare in bramlidge.

better have lots of security- -nobody going to be safe - - example - -Jamari Traylor

bskeet said:

Texas Hawk 10 said:

rockchalkwyo said:

I’m glad Silvio stared him down. They stole the ball while we’re having the clock run out and Silvio had a bad a$$ block. KSU started it by rushing SDS. What I do not like, and I mean DO NOT LIKE is the chair The rest is a blur for me. It seems like David and Garrett tried to separate players.

Silvio needed to walk away after the block, that's ultimately what started everything was Silvio not walking away after the block.

True.. although, it could also be argued that the start was the meaningless steal and attempt to score when down by 22 with 2 seconds left..

No, that can’t be argued at all. Not one bit. Silvio swatted him. Perfect ending. But then made the choice to be a thug.

@jayballer73 Still don’t see Dave doing anything but pushing people back.

@jayballer73 I know, I edited it to show I meant to contrast what Squeaky did, not answer the Ellis q which was about our coaches.

I think Squeaks got Love out so he could avoid arrest.

I’m sure ESPN is putting all on us, yet covering for Grayson being a complete nut case.

@kjayhawks ESPN article said Webber told his guys to back off and walked to shake hands when the steal happened. He said it was his and his guys' fault. Said you need to lose with class and win with class.

kjayhawks said:

I’m sure ESPN is putting all on us, yet covering for Grayson being a complete nut case.

Wonder why that is?

Fight lasted longer than McGregor vs cowboy and didn't cost us $65. So we got that goin for us

benshawks08 said:

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Of course Nick Krug got THE pic.

The most amazing photo I saw was posted on this site..

I mean it cost the university alot obviously. But was included in the cable package... So. Winning!!!

So perhaps the worst decision Self ever made — “Hey, let’s recruit Silvio DeSousa.”

@HighEliteMajor more and more thinking both men's days are numbered at Kansas

Anyone think we can offer to throw SDS back into the ineligible pool in a trade for more lenient treatment in the NOA?

As much as I hate it, at this point I'd be about ready to let them take self in exchange as well

@cragarhawk I'm almost at the point where I'd be fine with a change.

@jayballer73 they don't know crap

kjayhawks said:

@jayballer73 Still don’t see Dave doing anything but pushing people back.

You must not of saw where I apologized stating I was wrong , from what I saw in the replay - -Dave was just pulling people and then they said was stepping on people -not sure about that

cragarhawk said:

Fight lasted longer than McGregor vs cowboy and didn't cost us $65. So we got that goin for us

lol - - funny but yet - - never mind that was funny lol

IMHO, SDS felt humiliated at the steal. He at least blocked it but emotions poured forth after frustrating seasons this year and last. Enaruma was probably lectured ceaselessly by HCBS when he let the ball be stolen at the end of a previous game. Who knows how much the lack of playing time has affected his psyche. Not defending his actions but it looked like a lot of anger coming out there...

NCAA Ejection and Suspension Summary. Penalty – Player is suspended for the remainder of the contest. Penalty – Offending play and Head Coach is suspended for the remainder of contest or if prior to the game the complete game. Penalty – Suspended for the remainder of the contest and the following 3 games.
Is this applicable here?

Just listened to Myron Metcalf's repot. Saying he had attended many of Bill Self's post games conference, and when the questioned was posed about Silvio, you could see how it Effected coach Self and saying consequences would be handled tomorrow , Metcalf saying he would be surprised if DeSousa ever played for KU again

COHawk said:

NCAA Ejection and Suspension Summary. Penalty – Player is suspended for the remainder of the contest. Penalty – Offending play and Head Coach is suspended for the remainder of contest or if prior to the game the complete game. Penalty – Suspended for the remainder of the contest and the following 3 games.
Is this applicable here?

I'd say Weber and Love are toast for at least three games.

@DanR What about our players and coaches?

@Gorilla72 Totally agree. We’ve done a really poor job at teaching males how to deal with humiliation, frustration, and anger. Myself included.

@BigBad @cragarhawk FBI, lying, embarrassment at Late Night, now this. Ugh. I’m interested to hear from Self on this.

COHawk said:

@DanR What about our players and coaches?

Self defense. (Pun intended)

Tonight's game has been sponsored by The Committee for Preservation of Basketball Rivalries. Any lack of competitiveness resulting in an overwhelming disinterest by normal sports fans has hopefully been replaced, as needed, by an entertaining production of nitwits striving to bash each others' heads. ESPN+ be damned. We want KU-KSU games to stay on the main network for years!

@jayballer73 that would given me a smidgen if respect back for CS.... Who picks up a damn chair? He's gotta be gone. The end

@HighEliteMajor remember when we used to talk about how many lil10 titles we'd trade for just one more NC?

It's evolved into how many would we trade to be rid of all the latest embarrassments. But of course, that doesn't fit into this era of unaccountability....

@benshawks08 I learned a long time ago. Very simple. Rule # 1: Run. Rule #2: If running doesn't work, make a joke. Rule #3: If joke doesn't work, see Rule #1.

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They are only suspended for the next game if they participated in the fight. The NCAA Case Book covers this situation.
A.R. 276. A6 and B6 leave the bench because a fight has broken out. A6 and B6 do not participate in the fight. RULING: A6 and B6 shall be ejected. No free-throw penalties or technical fouls shall be assessed to A6 and B6 or the coaches of Team A and Team B. Because neither participated in the fight, no fighting penalty or suspension shall be invoked against them.
And the NCAA Rule Book talks about suspensions for being involved in the fight in Rule 10-5: Art. 11. The first time an individual participates in a fight during the season (including exhibition games), the individual shall be suspended from participating in the team’s next regular-season game (not an exhibition contest), including tournament competition.

mayjay said:

@bskeet Big boys should be able to handle someone making a dick move. I thought Silvio did great by blocking it.

He should have gone to check if the guy was okay, smiled, and helped him up.

Angry about it after demolishing the guy with the block? That's a head case problem right there.

If you cannot successfully dribble out 3 seconds when only 2 guys are anywhere near you, ay yi yi.

I'm not justifying it. But there are circumstances that provide a bit of context:
1) BGreene dunk that left a bitter taste in purple mouths
2) Monmouth one shining moment by stealing and dunking
3) 22 point beatdown and the bench is in.
4) Silvio probably has a significant chip on his shoulder from all that he's gone through in the past 24 months.

The ingredients are there... it doesn't take much of a spark.

@bskeet You missed a key element....The fact that the game was over and the benches were already standing. If this happened with 10-15 seconds left I don't think K-suck clears bench

@BigBad The game wasn't over; everyone thought it was
Wasn't there a big fight involving Cincinnati and Xavier a few years back? What happened as a result of that?

@COHawk Benches routinely stand up around 5 seconds. A lot of times coaches are shaking hands around that time.

kjayhawks said:

It all started with KSU pressing, then fouling hard as hell in a 25 point game with 2 minutes to go and KU having walk ons in.

THIS

@BigBad Yes, but turns out there was one second left.

@bskeet yep @Texas-Hawk-10 said he claimed to have pulled them off but this wasn’t the last few seconds and the steal, it was the whole time our walk ons were in. They still had starters in, Weber’s stupidity is definitely in play here.

jayballer73 said:

DanR said:

Different angle.

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Actually after seeing this , it was The K-State point guard the Juco getting into it with Silvio 1st and Silvio throwing punches then Love comes in

Exactly. There were three people attacking Silvio. If it were me, thrown to the ground by three guys and finding a photographer's stool on the ground where I lay, I might grab it as well out of firm sense of self-preservation.

mayjay said:

@benshawks08 I learned a long time ago. Very simple. Rule # 1: Run. Rule #2: If running doesn't work, make a joke. Rule #3: If joke doesn't work, see Rule #1.

This works for sure. But a lot of boys have real and very deep pain. Humor can be an outlet for that pain but can also further bury it. We’ve gotta make it ok for men to talk about what they are feeling, how they are hurting so that the boys can see it and learn from it. We gotta change what it means to “man up.”

kjayhawks said:

@bskeet yep @Texas-Hawk-10 said he claimed to have pulled them off but this wasn’t the last few seconds and the steal, it was the whole time our walk ons were in. They still had starters in, Weber’s stupidity is definitely in play here.

Uh, no. Block the shot, high five your teammates, all smiles, game over. Easy.

HighEliteMajor said:

kjayhawks said:

@bskeet yep @Texas-Hawk-10 said he claimed to have pulled them off but this wasn’t the last few seconds and the steal, it was the whole time our walk ons were in. They still had starters in, Weber’s stupidity is definitely in play here.

Uh, no. Block the shot, high five your teammates, all smiles, game over. Easy.

Indeed. That is what it should have been.

Instead it became a career-limiting moment. Possibly life altering.

And another embarrassment for a program that needed no more examples of 'lack of institutional control'.

Sigh.

HighEliteMajor said:

kjayhawks said:

@bskeet yep @Texas-Hawk-10 said he claimed to have pulled them off but this wasn’t the last few seconds and the steal, it was the whole time our walk ons were in. They still had starters in, Weber’s stupidity is definitely in play here.

Uh, no. Block the shot, high five your teammates, all smiles, game over. Easy.

Completely agree. A controlled response that doesn’t insult the other person is always the best decision.

DanR said:

Different angle.

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Thanks

I have a rule that’s served me pretty well over the years, in part because I’m lazy and occasionally like to do easy things. Don’t be an asshole.

benshawks08 said:

HighEliteMajor said:

kjayhawks said:

@bskeet yep @Texas-Hawk-10 said he claimed to have pulled them off but this wasn’t the last few seconds and the steal, it was the whole time our walk ons were in. They still had starters in, Weber’s stupidity is definitely in play here.

Uh, no. Block the shot, high five your teammates, all smiles, game over. Easy.

Completely agree. A controlled response that doesn’t insult the other person is always the best decision.

Reminds me of a quote from The Green Book:

“You never win with violence. You only win when you maintain your dignity.”

@benshawks08 a controlled response would’ve helped from KSUs coaching staff instead of having starters still in that late and fouling hard. A controlled response by the KSU player by not stealing it, a controlled response from the bench player charging and hitting Silvio would’ve helped. Plenty of folks played a hand in it but KSU started it with a bush league play, end of story.

@benshawks08 Unfortunately, it seems so many in our world of sport seem to think that is part of the game: do what we can to belittle the other person/team, don't take any crap from him/them, etc. As coaches, we need to teach our athletes how to learn to walk away and let the opponent figure out how to deal with it.

@kjayhawks Definitely. Plenty of blame to go around here. Many poor decisions both individual and systematic.

@COHawk It’s what kills me about Marshall’s play angry nonsense. Play to win. Play for joy. Play to get better. Why anger? Cheapest motivator.

BigBad said:

@bskeet You missed a key element....The fact that the game was over and the benches were already standing. If this happened with 10-15 seconds left I don't think K-suck clears bench

That's a fair addition.

Also, the point @kjayhawks made about K-State's decision to press and foul hard when trailing by 25, our bench players in, and there's less than 2 min left.

None of this condones Silvio's decision to taunt. But it might help explain the powder keg.

And were they penalized for storming the court and slamming jamari a few years ago? Self was pinned against the scorers table.

@kjayhawks being KU, and letting anything anyone from KSU does... Throw you that far off your rocker? Bush league or not? We had nothing to gain and everything to lose. If the roles were reversed and any ksuck player had done the same thing, garauntee you'd be berating that player and calling the situation their fault right now. Tired of this thuggish, it's okay for us but not for them... Two wrongs suddenly make a right, everyone else is doing it bullshit and that's why I've watched a grand total of 2.5 games of NCAA basketball this season thus far.... A guy that used to watch atleast 300 a season (no joke).

COHawk said:

Unfortunately, it seems so many in our world of sport seem to think that is part of the game: do what we can to belittle the other person/team, don't take any crap from him/them, etc. As coaches, we need to teach our athletes how to learn to walk away and let the opponent figure out how to deal with it.

Agreed! Or even try to injure other players. Look at the flack Tyrann Mathieu got for not decking Watson at the end of what was then a blowout.

@Crimsonorblue22 Now, now...Remember, Traylor should not have been on our team and Self should never have played him, etc etc etc. Did you forget there was a (self-proclaimed) "winner" of that argument? It was Self's decision to play JT, so it was Self's fault he was in Manhattan to get slammed by the KSU turd.

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Looks like it should be a meme... "When ya cant recruit because of impending violations.….."

Soon here will come the token "espn only covers Duke, we gotta get exposure from something"

@cragarhawk the Bulk of the blame is on the guy that runs in and starts swinging, which in this case was a KSU guy. If it was reversed I’d say it was the KU that ran in and turned it into a physical altercation. You of all people know how pissed I’d get at the Morris twins for similar actions repeatedly. This is the first I’ve seen Silvio pull like this. It was outta line but he didn’t lay a hand on anyone first. Which doesn’t make it right but also really isn’t that big of a deal, if ether team just would’ve let it roll.

@kjayhawks Isn't that big of a deal? Perception is huge; how will our administration perceive the incident? How will other schools perceive it? How will recruits perceive it? How does the media perceive it?
Doesn't matter who started it and we don't need to blame others; we can't condone or rationalize such actions as part of sport.

We won’t even talk about this in March.

Don’t steal the ball at the end. None of this happens. If you wanna be a dick, expect it right back.

If Silvio hasn’t picked up a chair I’d say he didn’t even deserve a suspension. But he did. So 1 game sounds fair in my book. (I’m sure it’ll be more).

@Kcmatt7 You're probably right about not talking about it come March, but I'd be willing to bet we hear about it from opponents and the media.
Hopefully, all involved can take something positive from it, accept any consequences, and move on.

kjayhawks said:

@bskeet yep @Texas-Hawk-10 said he claimed to have pulled them off but this wasn’t the last few seconds and the steal, it was the whole time our walk ons were in. They still had starters in, Weber’s stupidity is definitely in play here.

Weber wasn't the problem , he had instructed his players to back off and let the seconds tick off. Gordon decided to steal the ball anyways. - - the block by DeSousa was fine , it was the standing over him which they define as taunting is hat really sparked things.

Like the announcers said it is the un written law you don't steal a ball like that when a team is dribbling out the clock - -BUT you also don't stand over the guy and taunt him after the block. - -You blocked the lay up attempt , block it and walk the other way - - Dam how hard is that to comprehend Silvio

HighEliteMajor said:

kjayhawks said:

@bskeet yep @Texas-Hawk-10 said he claimed to have pulled them off but this wasn’t the last few seconds and the steal, it was the whole time our walk ons were in. They still had starters in, Weber’s stupidity is definitely in play here.

Uh, no. Block the shot, high five your teammates, all smiles, game over. Easy.

Have to Agree. Like I've been saying you make the block -- let's them know your not getting any chump lay up at the end - - you make the block , and then turn around and WALK AWAY , - -GAME OVER end of story, yet no Silvio feels the need to stand over the top of him , that's defined as taunting

Decided to turn on ESPN'S Golic & Wingo this morning to see what was going to be said.

They were all in agreement that actually this lies on DeJon Gordon's problem. - They stated that Bruce Weber had instructed his players to back off in the final seconds.

Stating Gordon steals the ball , they said at this point you have two choices as a 18 year old. - -ONE you can say ok, go ahead get your lay up you just got beat by 20 plus points -OR you can do what Silvio did which most kids this age would do try and block the shot - -BUT you don't stand over a kid and taunt him.

They also said what Gordon done was wrong, referring it to like the unwritten law you have - I a foot ball game when the game is over and a team is in Victory formation and the other team a player comes in and try to tackle someone at his knee's -- you just don't do that. -- Same thing in /Basketball they said your getting beat by 20 plus or multiple possessions and the winning team is just trying to dribble the time off the clock , you steal the ball AFER your Coach tells you to back off , they said there is going to be consequences.

They said this now is no longer a K-State situation - -this is no longer a KU situation , this has become a KU administration/K/State administration - -Big 12 conference situation , going to be some severe suspensions

PER's after the Sunshine ****show

First Overall PER's. Doke & Dot continue to lead the way.

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Conference Play only PER's.

Notice the 2 point drop from Silvio. I'd imagine the analytics accounted for picking up a chair and not using it and some missed landed punches.

On a good note- play Christian Braun. PER near 20 after last night.

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BeddieKU23 said:

PER's after the Sunshine ****show

First Overall PER's. Doke & Dot continue to lead the way.

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Conference Play only PER's.

Notice the 2 point drop from Silvio. I'd imagine the analytics accounted for picking up a chair and not using it and some missed landed punches.

On a good note- play Christian Braun. PER near 20 after last night.

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What is particularly eye-catching is Ochai's steep drop-off...

Focusing on the game itself, perhaps lost in the glow of Braun's breakout performance, it's worth noting that the rest of the rotation players were just 2-15 from 3. Not suggesting that we wouldn't have won without Braun going off, but it might have made for some tense moments. And, that kind of shooting is not going to get it done against better teams...

Was listening to some more. - Golic and Wingo both saying that they were taking a beating on twitter. -Golic saying don't tell me that Gordan didn't intisigate this - -light the match. - -Talking about how Gordon took it on himself to steal the ball AFTER the Coach had told the players to back off.. - He said now what took place afterwards , saying ya there is no place in that in Basketball. - but said you steal the ball, that's ok , BUT it's also ok for Silvio to block the shot. It's the other things that took place.

They gave an example saying and or asking about Gordon and saying your down 22 points man , there is no such thing as a 22 point play in College Basketball , saying Gordon thinking well I'm going to get me two points saying that was meaningless. They gave an example saying that the U Conn Coach of the women's basketball team - ( Geno ) -saying after U Conn getting beat by Baylor at the time -- he said he told or ask his players , we were down by 16 with a minute to go in the game - - I ask them why are we still fouling down 16 points with under a minute to go - there are no 16 point shots - -makes a good point

I believe that Silvio is done. He will be dismissed from the team. The picture of him ready to slam with the chair in his hands is disgusting.

@DCHawker

Yeah in conference play he hasn't been good.

I thought last night he was really aggressive in the beginning, disappeared for a while but rebounded and defended. Missing way too many open shots though

AsadZ said:

I believe that Silvio is done. He will be dismissed from the team. The picture of him ready to slam with the chair in his hands is disgusting.

ya I think he will be dismissed by the end of the day. - -The stool makes that pretty clear. Hard to hide such things like this - right there, no trying to deny

I think the Big-12 gives Silvio (x amount of game suspension) but following the announcement Silvio is indefinitely suspended by Bill Self. Would be shocked if he played again this season. The intent to use the chair says it all.

Dave is probably facing 1-3 games (or more). Reckless behavior from him as well.

Silvio de Stoolza ... sigh 🙁

So, KU scandals in the past 15 years...

Ticketgate, Sneakergate, and now Stoolgate.

In thinking about this, what I am most amazed about is that SDS seemed to have handled first the initial eligibility determination delay (when he first came out) and then the whole NCAA suspension (and more delay) with more patience and grace than anyone could have ever expected.

@mayjay exactly, that why’s I think it was outta character.

Bosthawk said:

Silvio de Stoolza ... sigh 🙁

Well done!

I have no input at this time - just wanted to change the number of posts...

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Who’s the attacker? Hope cooler heads prevail and these kids get another chance.

Side note (we -wife and I) are in the background behind Love’s dome.

@dylans That is James Love. Were you able to see more details than on the film clip?

For all of the crap that KU and Self have put up with with SDS not too mention the money spent I do not think there is any chance he is dismissed from the team. What he did was dumb but it is not the end of the world.

Let's plan ahead here. What would be a new thread title for round 2 next month? See, I think of the important stuff.

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This is the last straw for me. The scandals, the corruption, late night, a stubborn, inflexible coach, players who just aren't all that interested in KU putting on the uniform and on and on. Fatigue and apathy has finally set in for me as I cannot identify with this brand of athletics.

There is no justification or contextual mitigation for any of what occurred last night. This team is in total disarray and lacks any kind of self-control. That starts at the top. Perhaps a major change is finally in order because I simply cannot support or condone such unscrupulous behavior. All this time I really wanted to believe we were the good guys. But we're really no better than anyone else. In fact, yesterday may prove once and for all we are the complete antithesis of "good".

If ANY team in the country should have avoided the shenanigans from last night it was KU. But they simply cannot get out of their own way. We are now all over the sports media and the regular media for all the wrong reasons yet again. It's disgusting.

Something needs to change.

@tis4tim

Hmm, while it is embarrassing, and really poor timing, the fact that a long-time, in-state rival pulled a bonehead move by stealing the ball when they are down by 20 with a few seconds left on the clock, followed by a really frustrated college kid legally blocking the shot then gloating for a second, followed by said instate rivals starting a shoving match, at our house, which caused more kids to get involved, to me, hardly constitutes “the complete antithesis of good”.

Sports and emotions are completely intertwined. Do you feel happy when we win? Sad when we lose? How about really really happy when we win an NC? How about really really sad when we lose to team at the Dance we know we can beat 9 times out of 10?

Now imagine you’re a testosterone filled college kid who’s had an incredibly tough time the past few years on the court last night in the above scenario.

Do we expect better of him? Of course we do. Was it a total boneheaded move not to just flex and walk away after the block? Of course it was. Was the stool thing scary and completely out of line and calls for severe punishment? Of course it does.

Does the emotional outburst of a kid athlete, and other kids rushing to his defense, mean the whole program is in the sh!tter? In my opinion, of course it doesn’t.

Is our squeaky clean reputation a thing of past? Yea, for awhile it sure looks like it. Had we better learn from this? Hell yes we better.

Am is still proud to be a Jayhawk? Well my pride is a little bruised right now, but, yea, hell yes I am.

Silvio suspended indefinitely, per Self. Pending Big 12 review.

FarmerJayhawk said:

Silvio suspended indefinitely, per Self. Pending Big 12 review.

Yeah the indefinitely tag seemed like the easiest way to make a swift move so they can continue to review everything

Why do fans care what other fans and or media says about there team? I will never understand that.

@Woodrow BiRGing.

Something just occurred to me: did anyone notice how many long distance shot attempts SDS missed in the brawl? Obviously he's not the answer to the search for a 4 with range.

@mayjay

PER dropped him 2 points for the chair drop & missed attempts

Ok help me out, please. I heard a couple people and saw a sign that said something about Bruce eating soup. Eat your soup Bruce. Bruce eats soup with a fork.

What’s that about??? @BShark @FarmerJayhawk @kjayhawks @anyone?!?

@mayjay He's form is correctable. He just needs to stop leaning back on his release.

Silvio is quite the lightning rod. All the talk in the press seems to be about him rather than the K-State players. This is not fair.

It is definitely his fault for taunting after the block. The technical foul was fair. But the physical altercation was instigated and escalated by K-State players-- multiple individuals.

In the video, what I see is KState players running to confront Silvio. One of them pushes him. I see Silvio brush that push away and another player pushes him and he begins to push away and back at the same time (look closely-- his hands are not clenched; they are open to deflect the aggressors.)

There are at least two pushing him, maybe three. Meanwhile, everyone around Silvio is telling him to stop because they are all KU fans. It looks to me like he's trying to not over-react for a couple of seconds while the K-State players have no one holding them back. Then the third guy lunges and pushes Silvio down and he comes up swinging.

I think it's important to look at Silvio's body language in those early moments. He is not trying to fight at first. He gets provoked and then all hell breaks loose. The stool incident I see as an instinctive act.. and one that he fortunately is able to overcome with help of those around him.

Silvio is justifiably being called out. But he should not be singled out. The players from K-State who were responsible for the escalation and the first physical acts should be equally called out.

As is often the case when there is great disparity between two forces, the smaller power can't win with the traditional rules, so they resort to guerrilla tactics to get the bigger power to do something uncharacteristic. Silvio bit on the bait.

bskeet said:

Silvio is justifiably being called out. But he should not be singled out.

He picked up a stool. That is why he is singled out.

@BigBad

Agree: the stool has bad optics.

However, I think what is easily overlooked -- and not evident in a still photo -- is that he de-escalated quickly.

I think it would be worthwhile to at least acknowledge that in the reporting. It's not an effort to condone his actions.. just to be a bit more fair and balanced.

People see what they wanna see!

@bskeet After the stool he still ran over with David to keep going at Love who had fallen. It's all bad.

I understand in fights you are not thinking but unfortunately for SDS he will be made an example out of.

BigBad said:

@bskeet After the stool he still ran over with David to keep going at Love who had fallen. It's all bad.

I understand in fights you are not thinking but unfortunately for SDS he will be made an example out of.

I think that's fine as long as they make an example out of Love as well. What Love did was every bit as inexcusable as what Silvio did.

bskeet said:

BigBad said:

@bskeet After the stool he still ran over with David to keep going at Love who had fallen. It's all bad.

I understand in fights you are not thinking but unfortunately for SDS he will be made an example out of.

I think that's fine as long as they make an example out of Love as well. What Love did was every bit as inexcusable as what Silvio did.

Worse in my opinion. He wasn’t a part of the game. If that’s allowed we should have a new football player walk-on destroy a guy every game.

@dylans Exactly. If Love gets his hand slapped, prepare to see a new benchwarmer: The Enforcer. The designated guy who can come in with impunity and kick ass.

But to the earlier point: where is Love in the coverage of the event?

And he wasn't the instigator... he just escalated it. The instigator and the escalator are not the focus of the pundits.

Holding KU to a higher standard?

Andy Katz just reported that the Big 12 will announce by the end of the day about brawl. - make some kind of announcement

Our local sports program said they had a couple at the game last night and was giving there views - lot of more slap fighting then real punches - -Saying really the only true punch came after Sloan pushed Silvio and then he came up swinging.

They are thinking three from each team probably be suspended - - Silvio - - -David - - & Marcus from KU - - And then Gordan- - - -Love -- and Sloan from K-state. they said Sloan actually had as much to do with this whole thing as Silvio.

They was also saying for people that are over reacting saying Silvio will suspended for the year or dismissed - -they said get a grip and then brought up when Marcus Smart went into the stands and hit a fan - - he got 3 games - -just a mess

dylans said:

Ok help me out, please. I heard a couple people and saw a sign that said something about Bruce eating soup. Eat your soup Bruce. Bruce eats soup with a fork.

What’s that about??? @BShark @FarmerJayhawk @kjayhawks @anyone?!?

I think it’s just a dig at how nerdy and awkward he is.

@dylans "If that’s allowed we should have a new football player walk-on destroy a guy every game."

Been tried, but by Coach Woody Hayes instead of by a player.

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Announcement should be coming around 5pm this evening

@StLJhawk

I appreciate your reply.

Look, I understand the bush-league steal at the end of the game given the circumstance. I also understand the vicious block and the stare down was months of frustration, suspension and current lack of playing time flowing out of Silvio. If it had ended there I could explain it away as competitiveness. This went way beyond that.

You say emotion and sports are intertwined. Agreed. However, one has to be able to harness said emotion and channel it in the correct way, something we did not do. Exuberance in victory and sadness in defeat are very different from physically attacking an opponent. And I don't care who instigated or escalated the situation. As difficult as it is we simply HAVE to have more awareness and control to walk away - especially so due to looming NCAA sanctions.

Lastly, please don't conflate criticism with not being a Jayhawk. I have followed this program since I was a boy and I want to see it thrive. But it's getting harder and harder to ignore the string of black marks leveled against this program in recent years. And it's getting harder and harder to treat them as anomalous or isolated incidents or just part of doing business in the current climate. As much as it pains me to say it, we are trending downward as a program and the brawl will do nothing to alleviate that. The "stool seen round the world" is going to hurt, I promise you. Ironically, getting hit with the stool might have been less painful.

kjayhawks said:

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Prepare for the shirts.

we will know the outcome at 5 supposedly . The reason is Goolsby is in California dealing with a problem there.

Came across WIBW - so i guess they will say what suspensions are give out - -- who is getting suspensions and such.

Dakich and Greenburg on their podcast of ESPN, - -started talking about this will not be a Bill Self decision ,this will not be a Bruce Weber decision -- this is an administration decision. - then they talked about if I was a Chancellor or AD- if I kept seeing my institution at the bottom of a document - -things needed to change , pretty much talking about there needed to be a change - -they were saying Coach Self needed to be out. - Will Coach Self at the Helm there have been to many episodes where KU/University being in a negative light - - lack of control. - -They pretty much coming out saying Bill Self needs to be gone

@tis4tim
And I appreciate yours too. Totally agree, the players and coaches have to have more awareness, especially these days. Also appreciate it being hard to ignore the black marks the program's been getting lately. We've always set such a good example and it's been easy to feel good about the integrity of our program... a lot harder to wear the holier than thou hat these days.

And anybody contributing regularly on these boards as you have over the years is undoubtedly a Jayhawk. Last night was painful and embarrassing. It's just with all the heaping on of negativity from all sides, and the histrionics from Vitale and the like, I just felt the need to say I think a fight breaking out in sports, while headline grabbing is not the end of the world. We'll learn from this crap and our program will move forward and someday get back to being an example to others. In the meantime, bring on Tennessee and let's get back to business.

StLJhawk said:

We'll learn from this crap and our program will move forward and someday get back to being an example to others. In the meantime, bring on Tennessee and let's get back to business.

I can get behind this! Thanks for talking me off the ledge. I appreciate the civil discourse.

jayballer73 said:
"Will Coach Self at the Helm there have been to many episodes where KU/University being in a negative light - - lack of control. - -They pretty much coming out saying Bill Self needs to be gone"

Pardon my language, but f#ck Vitale, Greenberg and anyone else who thinks Self should get fired over a fight breaking out at a sporting event. Yes, it was nasty and extreme, but we didn't start it and no one was hurt.

If they can make a better case about the NCAA investigation into program violations - AND are willing to give the same punishments to other coaches and programs - then maybe the Self firing option is back on the table. Until then, let announcers announce, players play, coaches coach and board rats... critique and criticize but in the end support the team.

rockchalkwyo said:

kjayhawks said:
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Prepare for the shirts.

As long as the title is Pussy Pounding in Allen I’m ok with that. (Not to be confused with Tyshawn’s own version of midnight madness)